Music. Hey, welcome to another episode of the Stashes and Glasses podcast. I'm your host, Eric Fontenaz. As per the usual, we are doing the year-end NBA awards, Stashes and Glasses style. We've got Jay Watts, Justin Waters, Luisaia El Boogie joining us. We're going to do a roundtable, three-way, of our award winners. I think each of us had like three awards to hand out.
And at the end of the show, we go ahead and talk about the MVP discussion, both in the league and internally, because we have people we know are going to win the MVP and players we feel should win the MVP. But it's going to be a fun one. So thanks for joining. So let's run it.
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boogie el boogie in the house we're gonna what's up man good to see you guys thanks for taking the time to figure out how we're gonna award these nba personalities and teams with the illustrious inaugural stashes and glasses nba awards this is a big big big big honor for them and i'm sure they acknowledge that every day huge huge huge huge honor huge honor so we we had one more guy on this our buddy chad but he had to dip out for understandable reasons but that's all good we just we just go
with the flow of stashes and glasses and lewis and justin you guys are ready with your award winners i know i'm ready for.
My award winners so let's jump right into it the first award the congrats you're a poster award for the best dunk of the year brought to you by justin waters who you got watts it's not it's not flashy it's it's and edwards over john collins oh i felt like that was just the he didn't even dunk i mean he threw the ball above the cylinder he was so high and just to demonstrate like it was like, i was like fuck you i'm dunking on you and most guys don't pull up like that
like and edwards is a different guy and you see him catch bodies year after year but i thought that one to me was like. I couldn't say no to it, you know? I had to pick that one. There were some good runner-ups. I liked Malik Monk on Chris Dunn. And the kid out of Portland, Shannon Sharp. Shannon Sharp over Walker Kessler. Shaden Sharp. I know who that is. He's got bunnies. So those guys were honorables. Yes. Very, very good. Yeah, but Ant's Dunk, though, just lit social media on fire.
And it's one of those rare ones that just like, we take it for granted. It because like i think every almost every night there's like some like mind-blowing dunk that we could have we wouldn't have thought about like 10 to 15 years ago and these dudes they got their back so kudos to ant great award i think definitely a good award winner for that one dude good good good choice jesson thank you that was a eric threw me a layup i threw you a lob you did i mean yeah yeah a dunk ball where it's a
little bit lower we're younger i'll take that hey man watch Watch out, seven-foot rims. Our 40-year-old asses are coming for you. Watch out, middle schools. And you know what? I feel like Ant Edwards is always a contender for dunk of the year. He always does some crazy off-the-wall shit that has you, like, going through social media looking for the damn dunk. If you were his coach, I'd be scared. Like, calm down.
He already fell twice. That one block, he, like, landed. And even that play, after the dunk, he kind of got up and was holding his wrist. Guys who are fearless, you want that, obviously. But, like, bro, you're the franchise, dude. With some bubble wrap under and let's go. Pat you in the caps. Yeah, he's... Go ahead, Louis. Wasn't he also the one who blocked somebody almost, like, hit his head on the backboard? Yeah. He needs to relax. Yeah, he's, like, superhuman. Like, chill, bro.
Dude, there's some water in Minnesota out there. I don't know what's going on over there. Well, dude, give it to Rudy. Well, we'll talk about Rudy Yogurt later. Oh, he's a couple of words. Rudy Yogurt. You know what's funny? You texted Yogurt earlier this week or last week. And like, oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, it's great. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. But my brain immediately went to Spaceballs. Yeah. Yogurt. No, no. Spaceballs is classic. Absolutely. But Rudy,
I don't know, man. Some guys just... I don't know, this French, I'm better than you, but I'm still like, come on, man. With his size, he should be dominating and be killing all over the place. His offensive package is yogurt. I'm sorry. That's okay. I forgive you. I think Rudy Yogurt is just lucky that Ant Edwards is on his team and not dunking over him.
I wonder how it looks in practice. so i wonder if ann actually like legitimately looks at him and says i'm gonna climb that and i'm gonna throw it down right over his ass i i hope he doesn't yeah that would be he's got to all right next ward lewis this is your pick yes sir the who is this guy award for the most unexpectedly good season who you got all right dude i promise i'm not trying to uh suck up to our host here but there were oh i know huh i know keep going keep
going i'm just getting excited i had a few people on my short list who had surprisingly surprisingly good seasons but i think the head and shoulders the winner for this category for me has got to be jalen brunson.
New york knicks point guard freaking amazing season that he's had i actually had a long conversation with i i promise i don't have any like uh ringers or anybody in my house i just have a 15 year old who really loves basketball and he was like nah jalen brunson's had this bag but i had yeah i had to remind him like dude last year he wasn't even playing second fiddle to luca and dallas he was like a third thought you know he it was luca's team
and jaylen was there playing support he comes to new york i was honestly i was honestly surprised that the knicks extended the contract eric you can probably talk about me talk to talk to me about it later about like how much they spent on him or if it was a huge contract whatever but i just thought it was It was a huge surprise for me that Jalen Branson, this point guard from, yeah, a good team, gets his own team. And they made a big what to do of it going to New York.
Half a season into it he's already an all-star he is literally carrying this team on his back eric already talks about how many injuries plagued this team even with all those injuries jalen is carrying this team on his back and it doesn't hurt that he has this like great backstory with his dad who played there and he used to you know be the ball boy or shoot around their practice so it's a great story but yeah my my breakout who's this guy award goes to jalen brunson of the new New York Knicks.
Excited to see where he goes in the playoffs. It's his team. Eric, in all caps, texted this morning when all the playoff positions were set. Second overall, baby! No, second in the East. So I was like, yeah, dude. Second in the East. And that's nothing against Randall, OG, but that was Jalen's doing. I felt like he did that in spite of everything Dolan does against the team, dude. So, yeah, that's my award winner, Jalen Brinson. Who was this guy?
Award for a breakout of this year dude solid pick and yes let me just mention here on the pod right now that my new york knicks are the number two seed in the east every 15 minutes yes it is. 50 wins first time in 25 years 50 wins man and like it was funny i heard some i heard some talking heads saying do we really need or the knicks really need to be in the number two two seed in the East. And I'm like, yes, man, of course they do.
Like you get home court advantage for two straight playoff rounds. And they're inevitably, if they make it through the first two rounds, they're inevitably going to meet Boston because Boston's going to take out everybody they play, but I'm all for it. Like, why not get to the second in the East? It's just, it's just going to serve you better in the long run. New Yorkers to brag about. You got to come on, man. They haven't been that like, no offense, you know, they haven't been that great.
And the second, dude you take hell yeah so you're supposed to talk.
Absolutely absolutely you know and now what brooklyn is too especially what brooklyn is too because a few years ago brooklyn was like the hot chick in the room everybody everybody was on brooklyn dude the new logo the stadium we're in brooklyn man yeah yeah and then nothing happened you know unfortunately and now unfortunately for them yeah but dude the basketball there is the the mecca like yeah madison square garden is a place where like it's just a special place you don't
you want good basketball there important basketball there for sure yeah absolutely so lewis solid pick did you have any runner-ups um i actually did i had anthony edwards as a runner-up because again i know every year like he's he's always on the cusp of like being good to great but this year it just feels like he's jumped up to like from again serviceable you know that guy eye on every team to becoming like an all-star he gets bonus points too for having sneakers that all the kids want this
year the the ants the ae ones i think he just he finally got his first shoes from adidas so i guess for me he gets bonus points for that just because like he gets kids on the court want to wear his stuff so that's like okay so he's doing something right and i also had a shy shake i will never say how to say his name again yeah sga we'll stick to that but yeah so So those were my runner-ups, but ultimately I had to give it to the guy who was carrying his team.
Fourth in scoring, second in the East, arguably stepped into the MVP conversation at the tail end of the season. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yep, 100%. Well, I thank you for that, and the check is in the mail. All right. Next category. This is mine. The Jordan Poole Most Punchable Teammate Award. Goes to a man who, ironically, is responsible for Jordan Poole being punched in the face because he did it himself. None other than Draymond Green. Wow. Yes, Draymond. And I'll tell you why.
Of course, because I've got to fill time on this pod. So I give my explanation. Draymond he's always been a guy that you know talks a lot of shit and has gotten into a lot of trouble with the refs over time but like golden state is now in a position to where they're at the very tail end of their dynasty run i feel like and if they're going to be a competitive team in the west they have to have all of their marquee players without question draymond is obviously one of those guys.
He is the center of their offensive distribution. He is largely handling the ball so Steph could get loose, so Blake could get loose, so Wiggins could get to his spot. So they need him on the court. But the problem is he unfortunately lets his emotions get the best of him. And earlier this year, it resulted in an indefinite suspension. He was out for several games and he had to meet a bunch of league,
the league listed out a bunch of things that he had to do. We didn't really figure out what those things were. It was behind closed doors, but he had to get all those done. And once he got all those done, then the conversation started about him being able to return to the team. So it comes back to the team. And then a few games later, gets ejected four minutes into a game. Four minutes, dude. Four minutes. They didn't even reach double digits on the scoreboard, either team.
And he gets thrown out. And what's funny is I rewatched the video today and Draymond is jawing at the ref. And Steph is right there standing right next to Draymond, just trying to be like the buffer zone so that he could possibly calm down and not get himself into trouble. Because Steph knew. Steph knew that Draymond needed to stay on the court. But what happened? He kept John at the ref. Ref was like, no, teed up. You're out. And Draymond went right to the locker room.
And his stride was like, yeah, I know where I'm going. I'm going to go.
So he just kept going. and the the clips that immediately followed that were just steph curry yeah eyeballs watering face in his jersey shaking his head just saying dude we need you we need you in order to be competitive but you keep putting yourself in a position to where we can't have you and it's like sometimes you get so frustrated you just want to suck that guy in the face and be like would you you not would you knock it off would you just center yourself and get to a point to
where you can be like like do what justin says everybody has their own thing you gotta find something something yeah and as a result you know golden state is in the plan and you know well obviously golden state has more problems than just draymond being draymond but this certainly didn't help so So I just find it appropriately ironic that Draymond Green is the winner of this year's Jordan Poole Most Punchable Teammate Award.
I had some other guys. I will always take an opportunity to say Dylan Brooks needs to be punched in the face. Yeah. But I just Dylan Brooks. He's on he's on a Houston Rockets team that just barely had any conversation going about them making the playoffs.
He you know obviously got like booted out of memphis for just being a piece of shite and you know he probably deserves to get clocked once but i you know i think draymond's more of an asset to golden state than dylan is houston like they'd probably deal him within a year or two and not even think twice about it so whereas golden state is always going to be like okay what do we got to do to a keep dream on and be calm him down so he's not getting kicked out of games.
So there you go. Yeah, that's a good choice, dude. And it breaks my heart because you mentioned Steph's reaction to it. I don't even remember if they won that game, but there was a clip of him literally kicking a seat on the bench. And this is Steph Curry, dude. He's literally cool as ice. This guy is a stone-cold assassin. And what, five, six, seven years after his incredible run on the top of the heap, he's kicking the bench in frustration over his teammates.
So, yeah, if that's not a punchable face, I don't know what it is. So, yeah, Draymond's definitely a good winner for this one. Klay, bless his heart. I know he's doing his best, but at least he's not frustrating his teammates. You know, like I know Klay hits and miss. You know, he'll have a 20-point game and then have a four-point game the day after. So it is what it is. But Draymond's just doing himself. He's kicking himself.
He's kicking his own team in the backside. And it's just that not doing himself any favors. And I don't know, dude. I am not a fan of the Warriors at all. I think, you know, I feel for their fan base, dude. Like, I don't know what to do. Like, if I'm Steve Kerr, what do you do, dude? Like, he's part and parcel of that legacy that you built, you know? And unfortunately, it's come to a head. Like, I don't know what Phil Jackson did with Dennis Rodman back in the 80s with the Bulls.
And for whatever reason, brought him back in with the Lakers a decade later. But, you know, I guess he knew how to handle that guy. But I don't know, man. Like, what do you do if you're Steve Kerr, if you're the owners of the team?
Like do you do you trade him out i mean i guess he's got a feature in podcasting or he's always like i hear more clips of him on the radio than i have seen him him on the court so maybe he's already got one foot out at the door i don't know man i don't know you know the biggest surprise of that reaction from you lewis is two things one you're actually like saying poor steph because we know you're a certified steph hater oh i hate that guy
i hate that guy with a passion but i empathize that's all i'm saying though dude and two you still listen to the radio you still listen to the radio.
Man i have a long commute to work all right and your podcasts are only an hour long i gotta wait i gotta listen to something on the drive home then we gotta do more stashes and glasses podcasts throughout the week i guess that's the only way we're gonna get you off of heyday or power hey there's nothing on k earth 101 radio nothing wrong buddy generation x speaker here and I'm going to tell you that the radio, there's some benefits to it, buddy.
Sometimes you just want to see, yeah, it's the same stuff but if you have your stations down, you got a nice variety, E. We're talking K-Earth. Changing like the wind now makes you feel old as shit. But you got Jack, if you want to go in there there's K Coast, you know. You got to get, sometimes you got to diversify E, don't be afraid of the radio. That's what I'm going to tell you. And sometimes AM sports, I'm always like
listening. Sometimes, you know, you listen to what these dudes are talking about. Yeah, I'm with Justin on that one, dude. Sometimes AM radio just hits different, man. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I've turned into my dad somehow. I don't know when that happened. All right. So this certifies it. Next year, we're going to have a new award. The radio is better for worse podcasts on sports in 2025.
Hey you get you can get the podcast on the radio and let them pay you for that one and then you have a separate podcast hey we're diversifying that's like saying that's like saying i'm gonna put this dvd on a vhs hey if if i heart is cutting you a check bro where's the studio we're there we're doing our show we're there we're there you ain't lying let's sell right out for that shit put me on the am yo what time you need we you're on at three to five a.m but so what we'll record
at a regular hour like come on and let them play it at three to five there's some souls out there who love us at three to five are you kidding what you agree with the draymond pick safe place yeah i would i think i'd be so frustrated that that it's like, he knows what the answer is. It's like, this is a math equation. He knows the answer, but he just keeps doing it fucking the other way.
And when Steph, I think it was like, you look at a little brother or somebody, you're like, you love to death. And you're like, bro, you're in, like, what the, how many more times do we got to do this? So yeah, I would definitely, having that, you just want to like, even if you want to like throw an inadvertent pass and just nail his ass in the face one time, like hopefully maybe he'll get it, right? Like, hey, what a coincidence. Get your shit together.
But yeah, that's definitely, I mean, I could see that. I could see why that would piss me off too. Right on, right on. Especially at that level. And like, you know, he knows. Yeah, he does. He's a grown ass man. He knows. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what the other team is going to do. They're going to exploit the shit out of that every single time. And you know, you're not going to get love from the rest. You just know that this again, but if, you know, mentally, if he went in there,
it's like, you got to just look at it. Like it's you against the fucking world. It's you and your dudes against the fucking world. And just, you're good. It's a, it's a psychological part. Funny thing. Back in the day, shout out to Hubble.
He used to tell us it's psychological warfare out there you gotta fuck it and and one part at the time i'm like you know we're 15 16 and i was like oh shit and later you're like oh he he's right he just wanted us to get into that like while we're in the line you know like hey you can't be dick around in the back of the bus making jokes and doing this like we're focusing now you gotta you gotta lock in kind of thing and like draymond should be knowing that it's time to lock
in you won four times yeah yeah well i mean throwback throwback to coach hubble in high school okay bro you gotta you gotta you gotta send him this episode and get it say he gotta get distribution on this all right next next category i'm gonna go back to back here the christy yamaguchi award for best move to put a defender on skates christy had moves she did oh i remember that That was a little Heimer. What Olympics we talking with Christie?
Way, way back, way back. It wasn't about to be before that. So what's great about this is that you've already made a mention or what? Maybe it was Lewis. I forget which you did. You guys already mentioned my man from Portland, Shaden Sharp. He crossed up Daniel Tice so bad that Tice just gave up and walked away. I'm going to send you guys a clip and you're going to be like a hundred percent. I'm going to send you guys a clip. Wow. But I was like, he, he just did.
Yeah. And it wasn't even like, it wasn't even this crazy crossover or anything like you would think would, would put a dude on skates. No, it was, you know, sharp is a, is a guard and you know, he's super quick. And like you said, he's got hops and Daniel Tice. He's a big man. He's a great defender down by the post.
So on this December 11th, 2023 game that meant next to nothing before Christmas, Sharp just hits him with a quick step back three and Tice just turns around and stumbles so badly that his back turns to Sharp and he's like, I'm just walking away. And he looked up at the room. Just thinking I totally got this over with. I just made sports centers top 10 and I'm not even going to think about it. Let's just try to get this rebound. If it missed, guess what? He didn't miss.
And your tights. Yeah. Last laugh though. Clippers won that game. So Tice might've gotten the last laugh, but sharp. Definitely. Cause that, that clip, his highlight is going to last way longer than that dub, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Tick tock. It's, it, It's gotten its run on TikTok where a bunch of like nobody say, Shannon, Shannon Sharpe's a problem. And they're thinking he's like the ball handler of ball handlers in the league. Did you guys have any any picks for this one?
Specifically. Oh, good. Yeah, no, not not me particularly. I do love this category, though, because it's like I like that choice.
I do remember that one. My biggest thing is just this is me turning into an old head is there's got to be a fine line between putting a dude on skates and dudes pushing off because i i don't like those highlights where they like cross them up and you literally see the free hand like push the dude on the hip it's like oh he crossed them like bro you pushed him dude that is not a cross some jordan on on russell's stuff yeah i'm still not over that year by the way the kids do that
all the time and it's all the time you didn't cross him over yeah you had to use your other i even saw one of these tick one of these basketball influencer dudes locally and the the video clip you're like wait you actually pushed him with your off hand and pushed the defender forward to move by him and brag about it yeah i'm saying yeah you committed an offensive foul and got away with it i got a bag I got a bag I mean I don't know man it was it was it was it was
egregious if anything you're watching it like. Wait, is this where we're at in basketball, though? Yeah. Is this where we fucking came? Oh, man. Come on. Don't sell yourself out. It's got to be a nice move. You do a nice move, and you record it and celebrate it. I'm down with that. Yeah. The manufactured shit, and then come on, man. I will admit that Sharp kind of pushed off on Tice. Oh, uh-oh. Lewis. He did. I'll send you the clip. Okay, my bad. He pushed off a little bit, but Tice is a guard.
It he's a big man no it's not even it's not even that bad and here's where the here's where the discourse goes it's like no he didn't push off yeah he pushed off and and the other thing too is like tice is a is almost seven feet tall where sharp is a little dude like if he's pushing him off that bad like maybe ice needs to uh you know do less low carb stuff and maybe get the weight room yeah maybe awesome by the way or something by the way this was another category where i had a really tough
time not picking dylan brooks as the guy who got put on skates two players that could be multiple winners tonight yeah exactly yeah he's he's a honorable mention twice well it's not over the night's not over we're only halfway through the awards guys so steph cooked cooked him so badly one time oh that was a good one he was like yeah he crossed him up like a different type of skates it was like the pogo skate he was oh yeah he crossed him up and he stumbled
and when when brooks was trying to recover steph popped him up and he just went flying over and and steph hit a three so that was a really nice one and i just i just feel like.
While he got shook twice in one sequence i feel like just walking away from the offensive player and completely giving up knowing that you just got fucked is so much more appetizing so that's my that's my runner-up good choice dude your choice is up thank you thank you thank you all right next award being presented by justin. The You're Drunk Go Home Award for most undeservingly overconfident player in the league this year. Well, it's going to go. All right. I picked Pat Bev.
Oh, we probably should have named it the Pat Bev Award. I mean, and I love the motor. I love the David versus Goliath. You know, I love it, buddy. I love it. but sometimes when he talks, it's like, enough is enough. Like you're, you can sell it. Like you're not selling me this car. You're building it as like the new Tesla truck. And it's a beat down Mazda 88. You know, I don't know. It gets annoying.
Cause then it's like, if one thing does go right, he's like, yeah, I'm the reason why we're, I made them good and them good. And then it's like, bro, listen, you're a great role guy, a defensive guy as a coach. which I would love you. I would sick you on the other team just to piss him off and play defense. I like that. But like, know what that limit is. Know what that ceiling is. You're his and his mind. And granted, the guy set a record in high school for scoring Chicago area,
like dude. And he doesn't. Yeah. So I know he's a Hooper. You know what I mean? And I get it, but just, we're still at like, you're at the highest level in the highest craft. Like there's still a reality, you know, there's still a reality button or reality filter that's coming in. It's like, but you're nice you're in the league you're making money you're not god you know you're not that guy man you're not that guy you're not that guy. So I'm sorry. And you know what?
Like I said, we probably should have called it the Patrick Beverly award for most undeservingly overconfident guy. But like, I also had a feeling that he might be the award winner. And my prediction was correct because Jay Watts and I, we think Lewis, did you have, did you happen to have a pick for this one? Not for this one, but I do love the Pat Bev pick. Like dude's been that guy perennially.
Like i forget sometimes he's still in the league i loved him when he's on our team or he's on the team that you're rooting for hate him on when he's on the other side but yeah dude's got like you know he he's got that infamous montage of like tearing his jersey off and was he in minnesota yeah like dude's a dude's a great journeyman like he's i think he's worn literally every jersey almost practically every jersey in the league and he's got like that one montage of him like like
tearing off his jersey like yeah i'm like bro you scored you. Scored like four i mean if they would have won the championship would have been like dude live your moment brother but listen but. Like i don't even know if it's a playoff point i think it was yeah dude.
Maybe i don't yeah i'm just looking forward to the day that he's playing for some team in china and he's doing the same shit over there that he's been doing in the same man watch him watch him drop like 30 points to the shanghai sharks dude i mean yeah dwight's dwight's even eating him eating him up over there dude so yeah dwight's having a dwight's loving life in in communist china i'll tell you what yeah he's loving life in asia he played for the filipino team like in the in the
in the local like whatever games over there i'm like what is he doing here bro he's living his best life he's just going all over the place like all right being being dwight yeah he's out there having jolly b and i was like what are you doing here brother okay hey dude you're right nobody in the league wants you but hey they're out there but yeah pat biv great choice he's definitely that guy but i mean i don't know dude you got to teach these kids
how to be have that dog in them maybe pat biv's got a little bit too much dog in them but yeah he's almost hilarious though too much better than not enough i guess yeah yeah yeah it's like we all appreciate basketball players but if you were like if we're talking about the dog in them there are a bunch of players in this league that are like pitbulls rottweilers he's just like that angry chihuahua that you just want to shut the fuck up also i did
i did have a pick for this can you guess who it is. Who? Dylan Brooks. There he is. That's three. That's three more winners. I may have had Dylan Brooks on the mind when I was coming up with these categories. Maybe. You know what's crazy? I guarantee you if you had a chance to sit and talk, we probably would have a whole different idea. Because when he is playing too, he just gives you this like, why? Why all this? Why are we doing this? Why?
Why are you acting that way? Do you remember the flop he took when he was at Oregon? It looked like he got shot. No. He looked like he... No, I gotta see that, dude. Oh, we gotta pull that out, man. You have to see that. He looks like he got shot with, like, he was a deer just grazing, and the thing just said, do, do, do, and he, like, jumped to the other side of the key.
So, when you're flopping like that, I mean, as a basketball person and playing for my whole life, I always take that as, like, I can't fuck with that. I can't fuck with that. Why are we doing that?
First of all flops are the worst, but if Dylan Brooks is doing that I might just have another, I might just have another category oh I just pulled up the clip it looks like he got pushed and then did like a hop and then a one legged like a dolphin yeah it's embarrassing, I'm looking at it right now and I'm just like what is he doing why is he doing this.
He was like horizontal or horizontal with the ground it was like cosplay on a basketball court which is a no-go for me i'm sorry it's horrible that's just horrible okay so but pat bev you're drunk go home congrats. All right. Next category is presented by Lewis. The Good Grief Charlie Brown Award for the Worst Luck of the Season. Who you got, El Boogie? All right. So for this one, again, my personal advisor, my 15-year-old, and I had a good long conversation.
So our winner for this one might be a little bit of a deep cut, not even a deep cut, but a weird choice. But I'm going to go with Scoot Henderson. He was the number two overall pick in this draft this year.
He had the worst luck only in the sense that he was drafted in the same year as victor dude could have had if he chose this year this year's draft is i'm not a i'm not a money ball guy you know but supposedly this year's draft pretty weak last year the year before last pretty okay too this year we've had like you know yeah victor is head and shoulders above of better and more hype than anybody else. He's going to be God's gift to basketball since the 2003 draft.
And Scoot, bless his heart, he's a good player. And he came in with so much fire and so much bigger and so much hype. And he was like, I'm going to be that guy. I'm going to get MVP. Or not MVP. He said, I don't care who Victor is. I'm going to get rookie of the year this year. And it just did not play out. I don't know if he got it in his own head. I don't know if. Somebody help me out. I can see his face as a player in the, at the, at the trailblazers.
Who's like the, he was, it was a goofball who messed up at the all-star weekend. Harry Porter. Yeah, you're right. And like, yeah, like, I don't know. It's not Terry Porter. I don't know what I was going to say. It's not Terry Porter, but you know, the blazers might not have been the best fit for him.
I mean, you know, maybe he could have had a better future or a better rookie season with with Washington or another team, or maybe, like I said, maybe he stuck around one more year with the G league, but this year was just not his year. Like he, like I said, I, I even had to scratch my head, like scoot Henderson. Like I remember when the draft came around, he was supposed to be a big one to do the youngest player, the youngest player in the G league had this great hype.
And then, but you know, seven foot seven freak of nature from France had to come out and ruin everybody's day. You know, it's not every day you're compared to an alien in terms of abilities.
A literal freak of nature so yeah scoot better luck next year or maybe the the forthcoming years will be better for you i mean i don't know like uh number two overall draft picks i they've had they've gotten kind of hit and miss lately so maybe there's still a future for them but yeah but not not the best of luck for him this year because again big hype got demoted back down to the g league and now he's not even in contention for the rookie of the year after a a great hype season,
basically. Summer, I mean. So, yeah, Scoot Henderson. Yeah, so I think Scoot was unlucky, too, because he dealt with some injuries this year. Yeah, that too, that too, that too. Thank you, yeah. And it's really tough to come into this league as a guard and be immediately impactful. Especially on the West, dude. On the Western Conference. Oh, yeah, the West is stacked already. And Portland is absolute ass.
Has no even if he wasn't hurt like there's gotta they just have as a rookie you gotta to transition like dude you gotta have somebody i mean another i think they had grant but he i don't even know if he played this year he was on their team they just looked as a team that's what i had actually i was thinking of kuzma i felt bad his bad luck because he's thinking like hey i'm getting a pool nice young dude me and this guy are going to run the perimeter and
that shit did not happen they were one of the worst teams too them and they were right down that almost as bad as the pistons at one point yeah yeah yeah i felt bad for him like dude you would i mean and the other thing too go ahead go ahead no no i go for i thought he had a chance to like be traded but said he would he wanted to stay or he was okay for staying i don't know if that's completely accurate but i feel like He probably thought it was going to be Club Med.
Him and Jordan, like another young perimeter dude. And they had, I forgot the point guard who came from Memphis last year. And he was, dude, oh, what is, why am I blanking his name? Anyways, they just. Terry Porter. Oh, my God. No. He was behind Ja last year. He was the backup to Ja Morant, and then he went to. Oh, yeah, you're right. Icky Vandeway. Oh, my God. Next one, guy. Next award. The music. All these old school guys in the background.
Where did Terry Porter come from? Terry Crews is back there. All the time. So real quick, real quick. I, I wanted to also mention that a couple of things. One Portland lost by 60 points to the heat in a game this year. So that team, that team is absolute garbage. Yeah. Right. And so that's not the best. Like I get it. Like you're a rookie. And if you're on a trash team, you have the most opportunity to do really well.
Cause you could carry the team almost immediately. but like there's that's a lot of pressure for like a 20 year old kid to come into it in a media and and he's replacing damian lillard like that's the guy that you who you have to fill that's that's a tough call so hopefully he could bounce back in a second season and and do better that that time also i wanted to mention that one of my biggest disappointments this season
was the memphis grizzlies because jaw could have been the guy on that team to lead them to a playoff, to a playoff appearance, but he messed up by doing TikToks with guns and then he got hurt and everybody on the everybody else on the team Everybody's hurt on that team. It's like a plague. They had 13 players out the other day. Is that when they played the Lakers and we dicked around and damn near lost? I hate when everybody plays to their greatest potential against us.
Side note, sorry, I'm just Sound like a little bitchy Laker fan But well it's true Eric okay Last year I don't want to talk about these numbers anymore But we'll talk When we talk playoff talk Okay okay We'll get there buddy Don't worry Rational Dustin Tears center yourself Woosa Woosa It really helps me It does I'm sure Try it buddy they work. We'll send him a telegram on the radio. That's fine, it helps. This episode of the Stashes and Glasses Pass is brought to you by Revenue Social.
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This is the Kendrick Perkins Award for Worst Take from a Talking Head. I know you've been boiling up for this one. So this award goes to none other than the man who continues to hate on the entire continent of europe oh i know gilbert arenas we mentioned him on last week's pod about it you're grinding your gears he really does grind my gears almost as much as dylan brooks like it's it's bad like Like, I just, all right. So his worst take.
Now, mind you, we mentioned him last week because he said that Nikola Jokic is the worst MVP in the last 40 years, which was like such a hot take. Like it had its own gravitational pull and its own solar system. It was the sun. But this take, I just think like crosses the line to where it's like, dude, what planet do you live on? one. So Gilbert said, get rid of all the European players. They're a liability on defense.
And then he mentioned a conspiracy theory that the league, the reason the scoring is up because the league purposely softened the rules so that Euro players can make their way in and take over. So he thinks that there is a whole conspiracy where the NBA is saying, you know what? Enough of these American players. We need to bring these international guys in from Europe and have them take over and become the faces of the league with no with with with no foundation to it whatsoever.
Gilbert just saying Gilbert things is something that absolutely throws me back and says, what is the matter with you?
You are not he is not like he doesn't strike me as the smartest guy obviously like let's go back to 2010 when he brought a gun into the uh into the locker room and and you know put a little post-it note on to grow buddy give him time to grow he's our age no yeah no obviously he's not 2010 gil but yeah sometimes it's yeah the takes are are kind of spicy i like that all the rule changes that have been going on in the league are all because of the European players.
Not because we're emphasizing more offense and more scoring and all that other stuff. That doesn't, I mean, is there a percentage in that? We were talking about it last week. It's about the absolute things. Like, not all these arguments are, you can't argue in absolutes with this kind of stuff. There's moving parts and different stuff, so I mean, yeah, I'm not the absolute answer to everything fan, you know? Like, yeah, top 40 all-time I'm worst.
I was like, damn, bold. But just saying that you need to get rid of all the European players, that strikes on another level of just like ignorance. Yeah, don't you want the league to be the best people on planet Earth? On the planet. That's the goal, right? Is that you would literally want the best people to play this game of basketball to be in the NBA. Just because it started in America doesn't mean they're like, oh, we got to put a cap.
We need at least 10 American dudes per team or we're out.
See what a cowboy had on and everything yeah yeah i just like that's not happening that's not the game is it's global the game traveled yeah almost as much as james harden there was a time there where james was sea walking all over the court yes but that's my that's my pick gilbert for a second week in a row giving one of the hottest of stakes scorching earth hot takes in the history of fba he's uh who do you think you are i am levels of stupid talk oh yeah that i like that that is lewis did
you have did you have it's just funny to me that gil has found another platform and i mean i i this is like the fourth time i mentioned kids but like i feel like he's getting a new shine lately because his son is breaking out he's like everybody's pointing fingers at his son uh he's actually playing locally from where i live in chatworth high school brought his brought that team to the state championship so yeah he's on everybody's you know on every on tip of everybody's tongue again so
i don't know if this that's just his cue like yep well i fell off the league but But here I am again, guys. I'm like, okay. It's okay, bud. I think maybe he says some off-the-wall shit. Just like ESPN producers in Kendrick's ear saying, say some stupid shit. He's telling himself, I should say some stupid shit. Yeah. And everybody's going to talk about it. And Twitter's going to blow up. Or X or whatever is going to blow up and be like, I can't believe you said this. And you know what?
It's working. It works. Here we are talking about it.
Well for his podcast too he's it's grown a ton the last year he's definitely i like his approach with his son though he's like i don't want him to go to these big schools where there's four or five other recruits that are there and they're going to college i want him to learn how to play basketball with like you're the man and you got to learn how to play all these different roles i like that aspect because he is preparing him where you know he's mentioned something about the nil where
he was like he's got everything he needs it was, I got to actually see the verbatim what he said, but he's, he's setting him up to like, he's going to the league. That's for sure. He's going to the league. It's just a matter of like, what's that one gap year, you know, when you graduate and whatever, but I like his approach to that. But I do think some of his takes, maybe like you were saying, he's not stupid either.
If that, that checks come in and you got to, like you said, everybody fucking, you know, has some wild fucking, obviously some are way wilder than others. And you're like, Like, how is this guy? How are you paying this dude? But when he's, I think he's got ownership of his stuff too. So, you know, you're like. Hey, good for him. But he's already rich as shit. It's not for money. Maybe it's for ego. I don't know, man. Like, ego carries a lot of people heading into, during, and after this league.
So, who knows? We're speculating. But I got a suggestion. He wants his kid to go to a team and learn to carry them before getting into the league. Go play in Europe. He'll carry a team out there. Oh, my goodness. Moving on. I'm sure they'll love this. There's Eric in the weeds waiting, lurking. With a model face. I can't turn left. Magnum. There it is, baby! That's funny. You got a nice rack of lamb going on there. Anyway, moving on.
Oh man this award presented by luiseo she's a 10 but dated pete davidson award for biggest disappointment all right this one was i think this my award winner for this one was one in a in a landslide jordan pool jordan pool unfortunately was my personal biggest disappointment a lot of these choices i know that it seems kind of casual but at the same time like yeah dude you come from championship legacy caliber team you know maybe like you mentioned earlier you know dream on force you
out of that team you know you somebody somebody older or somebody with more tenure in the team for steve kerr's hands to be like hey either choosing me or the new kid new kid gotta go but at the same time you think like new environment new team It's at the time, you know, the Washington only had Kyle Kuzma, you think like, oh, you know, this is Jordan Poole's time to shine this. He'll he'll carry this team. You know, he's he's the prototypical like, you know, two way guard.
And then like maybe he'll be the guy. And I think even Nike thought he was going to be the guy because I was actually at the Nike store with my son a few days ago. And they're pushing like the new team shoes are called GT cuts. And he's the face of GT cuts. And my son with his teammates were like, oh, the new ones are out. I'm looking at the post. I'm like, I don't know if I want to buy these, bud. If you're going to if you're saddling yourself to the Jordan pool,
maybe we should get the Ant Edwards. Like, I don't know. Those look kind of cool, dude. Let's just go with those instead. But I digress. Like I said, Jordan pool, I had higher hopes for him. He looks like a 10. He played like a 10. Like you said, I like how you named this category. You look like a 10. And he looked, you know, he's on the score, maybe even on stats. He looks like a 10. Like he's, you guys are better number guys than I. Like, I don't know what he, I'm sure he averages high.
Washington isn't exactly like, you know, 2004 Lakers years. I'm sure it's heavy on him and Kyle Kuzma, but I'm guessing on the plus minus, because he's probably a negative to the team because he's, Washington is unfortunately down there with Detroit after one of them. Was it Pooler Kuzma who tweeted something about like her, or her at this point is you don't want to be the guy to lose to Detroit.
And then what fast forward to the end of the end of the season, it's literally them neck to neck, like what two games difference 15 versus 17 wins in the, in the year. You should have just kept your mouth shut anyway. Yeah. Disappointing season again, like scoot earlier. I hope next season turns around for him. Maybe some draft picks helps turn this team around, but yeah, the dude's either got to get his screw, his head screwed on.
Right. or if Draymond messed with him too much that he's just like a hot mess. So disappointing to say the least. Hopefully, like I said, he turns that around and Washington, again, ironically, I don't think they've been a team since or a contender or at least playoffs since Gilbert was on that squad. So yeah, I don't know, man. Disappointing, Jordan. Hopefully you turn it around, man. Well, I got to say that's a solid pick.
He's minus point six plus minus for washington but that's that's pretty high considering how bad washington is but he only averaged 17 a game this year he shot 41 from the field 32 from 387 from the free throw line so he was solid there but yeah not he he took a he he took a step to Washington as a step up offensively. He was supposed to be the man, and he averaged three less points per game than he did in Golden State. He didn't lead. He didn't lead.
The whole argument was he's supposed to translate some of what he soaked up under these guys winning a chip. He was averaging 20 with those dudes, Hall of Famers on his team. And then he goes to Washington and they're like, he's still, I don't, I mean, you can't be the joker the whole time. You soaked up all this game and now you're going to a whole nother team and you're supposed to be one of the two top dudes, right?
Evan Kuz is supposed to be the two dudes. Let's see if we could get some momentum going.
And then he's not leading nobody. unfortunately i mean he did it this year i would hope that he'd grow from that like, okay let's have a new approach this year did you have a pick for a biggest disappointment jay that was the same was that i had pool two is like just because of what you've seen him do and like do we see what you're capable of doing yeah and then nothing to translate and then and it's also that leadership part
like i don't i didn't hear a lot of that didn't seem to like like go with him you know that stayed in stayed in oakland so he left a lot of stuff in oakland including draymond.
Like things happen though you know damn yeah so i had a i actually had a pick for this one the milwaukee bucks oh my choice okay okay but the front office their entire organization organization fire i mean dude they were rolling with the head dude so here's some stats for you milwaukee 30 and 13 up until the point they fired adrian griffin and griffin was fired because there was a bunch of internal tension between him and his coaching staff and players and you know i think giannis
mentioned something about trying to get the system on the same page and and all these these things so you're winning right and you got you've got. Damian Lillard. Yeah. You got Damian Lillard added to a team that lost Drew Holiday. So the expectation is really high at that point. You've got an MVP candidate in Giannis every year. They might not get out. 30-13 was the best.
I don't even remember if that was the best record in the league, but it was damn near the top, definitely, of the Eastern Conference back then. And then they hired Doc Rivers almost immediately.
So they they had to be on the phone with this guy like leading up to this thing and saying okay we're getting rid of griffin and we're gonna bring you in he was he was all about it and i don't understand he could have been the emergency hatch too like if they were all this strife was going on about the other you know that's what i'm saying like the quick that's what i'm saying i don't even know if the bucks like i think that it was more of like a fast decision
i don't think that they had time to like no man you've got you've got you've got an entire organization that requires leadership from from a personnel position you're not going to just go ahead and pick up like the next guy that's available but look who they picked that they almost picked that guy that every other team's hired for that reason well that's what i'm saying is like the next point i was going to say let's get dark
he's a strong voice he won with the celtics in 2008 he has been living off that Oh, wait, championship one. You had all them dudes. Yeah. So your boy, you know who you're, you're heated in them is Gilbert. He don't like him either. He's always counting on doc. Hey, I don't, I don't see where you don't disagree. Common ground. Look at us. Look at us. Look at see mending walls and fences. Who would have thought? Not me.
So they hired doc and they they finished out the season as a 500 sub 500 team thereafter so they went 19 and 20 since they fired griffin and brought in rivers giannis was out for the rest of the season with a with a leg strain they're calling it a leg strain but you know they they make up shit just to make people and advertisers say oh okay it's not that bad so it's they're They're heading into the playoffs, losing the second seed on pretty bad losing streak.
No momentum. Still trying to figure shit out. I may not get out the first round. I wholly predict they're going to be out in the first round. And they're playing the Pacers, right? Yeah. Let's look it up real quick. I've got... That's the team I think that could turn it on and make some damage. I think they could beat them.
Yep. the Milwaukee third Pacers are sixth yeah they'll play in the first round Knicks are waiting for the winner of the of the plan the seventh seed plan and Boston's waiting for the winner of the eighth seed plan so yeah. Okay, but yeah, Milwaukee, just they're in trouble.
I wouldn't be surprised if, and I know this is ways down the road, but I wouldn't be surprised if Giannis is considering changing locations and looking into real estate and other areas, if you catch what I'm saying in the near future. All right, so next category, presented by Justin, the Darth Vader Thanos Megatron Award for the league's best villain. Who you got, Jay? Well, my WWE choice was like where more people like.
I would say like could be Embiid because he kind of like has the showmanship of like people hate him. He's doing so good. This guy's DXing, you know, dudes on the court. So that that was like my that's the fluffy entertainment pick. But I still I think that the villain is is Draymond Green, like the essential villain of the NBA.
Two-time award winner in 2024 and but I think the reason is to like because it's there's a there's a fine line of like you play your ass off you play hard you'll do he's undersized you do anything to win and I love all that but then there's also the other side of like some shit is just it looks dirty it doesn't feel like that was a clean like you guys didn't both dive for the ball yeah of of course you're going to dive with your shoulder first and whatever.
I understand that part, but like sometimes I think players and everybody else are like kind of who aren't in his like circle or like fuck with him off the court. It's like, it's dirty. They feel like it's dirty. I feel like that's why he kind of, and maybe he uses that to his advantage, but sometimes you can see the examples and you kind of feel like, dude, that's borderline dirty. You know, that's like, I don't know. I don't. And I feel like he's too, too good of a player.
I feel like the same way about Chris Paul, Chris Paul. I feel like he's a great player. Personally, I just don't like his style. I feel like he talks too much shit, but he's dirty. There's these little...
Knee-jerk reaction shit that he does where you're like this is dirty bro i it just if you saw anybody else do that you would say he's dirty and some of the hits and stuff you look at it you're like oh if you were doing scout work and you were coaching out of college and you had a you had to play this guy you're like everybody look he's dirty this you you would you would tag him that you know i mean every team's got all their guys you would tag him that so i feel like that's where he gets
like that's why he's like the villain is like not just uh oh he's just aggressive and he He beats us to 50-50 balls. We're scared of him. No, it's more of like, I'm afraid he's going to do a spinning roundhouse and knock my shit out. Yeah, like the shit he did with Nurkic. I mean, I saw a video clip of just this year with some of the fouls. Yeah, like the Nurkic one. You're like, dude, that was a spinning backhand. That's some MMA shit right there. You pulled out a spinning back. Pow, pow!
That's where it gets, you know, where, I don't know. That's too much, I think. Like, there's got to be a line of, I want you to run through a brick wall for a team and whatever. But, like, I don't also want you to shove dude in the back when you know he already took off. Or, like, I know, sometimes I see where he tries to hold them when they're falling. And I appreciate that. And then there's just other times where you're like, what the fuck?
What is that? Well, it's like opposite ends of the spectrum with him. Like, sometimes, like, there'll be a collision and he tries to, like, carry the dude so he doesn't get hurt.
Hurt then it's the complete opposite where he's making sure guys get hurt and causing bodily harm that's not a basketball play and it just it it frustrates the hell out of me because like that kind of shit like that it's unnecessary you don't need that kind of shit in the league and the more people that do that like the more it's just going to be like malice in the palace and that's going to be that's going to be okay like i don't want the i don't want the lead to go that way and i'm.
Pull his head out of his ass sometimes and and say you know what i need to do i need to be better i need to do better but i don't have a lot of high hopes for that l boogie do you have a pick for a favorite villain i know like nerd shit is your stuff so when i say darth vader and thanos and, megatron you know i did i actually did and i hate that you premised it with a few categories earlier with Gilbert, but now I'm going to say Jokic because
I don't want to sound like I'm some conspiracy theorist. Like, ban the Euros! No, I only think he's a villain because that fool is so... I think it's actually going to be a good segue to the last portion of our conversation. But that dude is so... Fucking good. Excuse my language. It's frustrating. Like, dude is just like, Eric, you sent me that meme of that dude just shooting like this and made it going home now. Yeah. Like, why? He doesn't give a fuck. He played defense on that guy.
23.5 seconds of tight, awesome, solid team defense against a nugget. And this dude just, like, chucks it overhead. Like, whatever.
Exactly. High touch. Everybody do your best yoga. yoga right like that like that and over like seven foot tall davis or whoever whatever suckers it feels like they gotta put the hand up like dude come on man and this guy is doing stuff that's like he's he's doing like football passes from like the other side's free throw line and just dropping dimes so the other guy dropping dimes man he's making like michael porter jr look look like amazing because he's doing
like no look passes to the corner. So the, you know, it's, it's, it's incredible. So again, he's my new Justin. I don't know if you heard that podcast when we first recorded, but like the reason why I hated Steph back then is because he, you know, six, seven years ago at their peak, they just annihilated the Clippers and every team. And it just, I just hated it. Like it was like the bulls when we were growing up.
Like I know everybody, the bulls were the great nineties. no real fans hated the bulls because i did not like them dominating as much as they did so yeah yokich is almost on almost on that clip almost on that clip he's not quite there yet like if he like if they go like what 14 and 1 in the playoffs maybe that'd be like all right f these guys dude but for for right now i hate it just because like yeah you can play for
23 and a half seconds of tight defense and guys is gonna chuck it like all right hook shot whatever let me go back to my horses. Yeah.
The hater he's my villain he hasn't done anything malicious yet but just dude just like such a dick on the court like fuck you i get it you're good damn it but anyway this might say you hate this man because he's so good at basketball and he's so nonchalant about it i think that's i think but i think it's unfortunate it's a personal thing because i i i'm that guy you two played ball in high school i was that guy on the bench watching you guys play like i wish i could play like those guys but you
know that's the best i'm just i'm just again eric you can you can send me my stamp because i'm a certified hater so that's just me i'm just a certified hater the hater rate is strong in this wrong tonight sir god that was like that was a dark horse for me like yokich the biggest villain just because he's so good like i'm like how could you hate this guy he's just so funny have you seen his hotels.com commercials they're great
finally the first time he showed personality and see that's my good example that commercial he was a dick to his teammates so screw that guy he was a dick to his he was a dick to hey can i come no he told his roommate sit there his roommate his rookie sit there you don't get to sit in the vfb with with mvp uh you'll catch it He's just like waving. Maybe Gilbert was onto something. Oh, Jesus. Oh, God. Okay. That's enough from you, sir. You will not besmirch my man, Nikola Jokic.
He is the greatest thing to happen to this league in the last 40 years. Whoa. Greatest MVP ever. Greatest MVP all time. No. No, the greatest. Okay. Okay. Okay. Speaking of MVPs, we have now come to our final category. No particular award from one person on this one. We're going to have a group discussion about who we feel the most valuable player in the NBA is this year, the year of our Lord, 2023, 2024. So we have five of the top prospects, Nikola Jokic, who El Boogie drinks the haterade for.
Luka Doncic Shea Gilgis-Alexander Which Lewis can't pronounce Giannis Antetokounmpo And here is your Unexpected who's that guy, Jalen Brunson. Got a little home cooking here, isn't there? Hey, listen, the guy has scored 38 plus points in the last six games, leading the Knicks to the second seed. Listen, gentlemen, two things I do not stand for is besmirching my man Jokic and besmirching my man Jalen Brunson.
Oh my gosh. If you are going to do that, I suggest you find another podcast, to say your things it will not be done here, wow with the rules this place just turned into a dictator I'm waving my finger Jesus it used to be a democratic idea you know hey think for yourself now fuck you you better only say this and this fuck you yeah.
Number one bullshit I'm surprised we don't have little like chakras hooked up to us oh shit what is he doing is he dancing he'll be fine our healthcare covers it oh man we got universal healthcare on stashes and glasses universally pay for that shit yourself.
Sponsors we're taking ads we'll put you in a ticket come on guys alright so most valuable player player of those five gentlemen born on the street is nicola jokic is going to run away with his fourth run i'm saying i'm just saying i'm just saying that word on the street so far if you if you see the hubbub of what what voters are saying jokic is going to take it this year now is that in line with how stashes and glasses is looking at it I don't know my indication is probably not,
Jay since you are the most I guess against Jokic running away with it just based off of your reaction please give me your take on who you think the MVP is this year I'm not gonna lie I have a little, Jokic-itis I don't know it's just listen okay guy's a great player was it was it last year's sweep was this what did it no no i love how he plays i think that he has like the best system for his particular like fucking liam needs some set of skills i think that he has like what they put around
him like his team is also they're a good team i think better team than most than my pick okay i'm picking luca. One thing that I saw earlier this week that made me was like, is the NBA history stat? And I'm like, I can't just overlook shit like that. It was, this was as of Tuesday. So I don't know exact numbers, but it was 57.3 points a game that he's responsible for off of scoring or assisting. And they said that that would be the highest in NBA history. And that's where he was at on Tuesday.
So like, when I think about that part, I think about their records. Technically, it's a seven games, but Dallas already today, they, you know, they shot, they shot, put it today. They didn't have to win anyway. So it's about a six game difference, right? Roughly. And I, and I look at like, if you took Luca off of his team and you took Jokic off of Denver, Denver's still going to be a nice little running machine. They got a nice players.
They're still going to make shit happen and be competitive and win. I think they could still win. I don't know if they could win the chip, but they're a better team than what Dallas has. and what he's, what Luca's working with. He has a rookie center. He's got, you know, if he had some of these, you know, guys like Porter Jr., guys like KCP on his side, guys like Aaron Gordon, I think that the record thing, I think that, you know, disposes it.
He's got more games than him. The Yoka just won more games. But it's that stat really that showed it to me. I was like, if he's done something that hasn't been done in NBA history, like you got to get some love for it.
I understand that Jokic is beautiful to watch And this guy's touch is fucking godlike Like some of the shots he turns around And hits you like what the fuck Sometimes it looks like the guy who just, Spawned and slipped on something and threw it up And then it goes in but it's like a little ballerina It's nice right like eye touch I call him eye touch it's the greatest touch He does and he's awesome But I feel like, Don't just have it a year like that The team came out slow this year Dallas
didn't have like this they've been playing well Since the all-star break. But I think he, or I was thinking even that would be more of a, you know, Shea, they did finish first in the West, and the West was harder than the East. But if they had, like, 64 wins, like Boston, and he did that here with the youngest team in the league, because they're the youngest team in the league, and Shea's young as shit, and for them to get first in the standings, I thought was very impressive, too.
And that might have leaned me, like, if he did hit that 64-3-4 win, that I might slide to Shea, but they didn't. And I don't know. It's impressive what he did as the youngest guy, but I'm taking I'm taking Luka Doncic. That's a solid pick. I mean, Luka and you were right. They started slow and done a whole lot better towards the end of the season. But Luka's really taken a step up. He's, you know, all NBA first team every year.
He is in the MVP talk with the exception of maybe last year, every year. Yeah i think it's he i i don't want to say he's due for an mvp i think it's still coming because he's still relatively young and and dallas has some opportunity to build further than what they already have with kairi and the other guys who got there but you know he doesn't have the setup that say yokich has in denver like denver's team gels just so damn well dude they built him perfect Oh, perfect.
He has the best pieces he could have in each area, every single game. And Murray is, you know, he got hurt in the last game of the season a little bit, but he came back and he finished out strong. Here's the thing about Denver though, is that I feel like they finish games really well. Yeah. They're picking roles with Murray. They separate themselves really well in the stretch. And I don't think teams like Dallas and OKC are capable of doing that. OKC is really fun.
And SGA is an outstanding player. I honestly feel like he's going to be – he's another guy who's going to be in the MVP discussion every year. But they're just really young, and they don't have the experience and the gel that, say, maybe Denver has. But it's a regular season award. I know it's a regular season award. I know it's a regular season award, Justin. We can't get all into them. All right, listen, Computer Club. That's enough from you. Computer Club. Bureau Club.
But they finished out games in the regular season, bar none. And I think that while they didn't finish in the top.
Seeding okc did i still feel like shea maybe has some stripes to earn first before he wins an mvp this year maybe yeah yeah but lewis who are you thinking for uh for mvp i'm going with a guy whose name i can't pronounce i like s i like sga a lot justin put some great points for luca but on the other side of things dude like i don't know man like i know regular season is just that regular season you don't get a regular season championship but just carrying a team with you know a couple
of rookies or it's the youngest team like chet has chet holmgren his first full year as a rookie is just playing amazing but like it's nothing without sga's like you know 30 points he's averaging 30.6 assists and five rebounds and two steals a game that sounds like an overall overall package, dude. Like again, it's, it's that eyeball test of like, like what Justin said, if you were to remove this guy.
Like how would the team do SGA is just that I feel like he's a, he's the MVP in the sense that you take him out of Oklahoma and he's, you know, the Oklahoma is unfortunately going to be another draft team. You know, they're going to go into his, their thousands of draft that they have left from all the trades and you know, they'll, they'll, they'll just be another good team in four or five years.
But SGA, again, it'll, this year was it felt like a coming out party but he's like i said earlier he's my dark horse contender um i like eric said realistically i don't think he's gonna win unfortunately he's not quite the sexy face of the league that they want yet he's uh god i really do sound like gilbert he's canadian he's not american i'm just kidding dude they're all international international luke wait a second this guy's not american but um you know get him out of the league.
There should be a cap from canadians too get out of here wiggins, actually i think there's two of them like right it's him and then brooks too dylan brooks is canadian yeah kick them all out make the league great again just play it but um yeah dude like and and you know and okc as much as that like i've loved okc and it says like there's such a great like small market team like i have my heart set for them like they keep drafting great amazing amazing players and you know they bounce um sj i
know that he's not homegrown i actually have a bit of a you know i have my heart's out for him he was drafted by the clippers years ago he was drafted a part of that whole paul george trade a few years ago so that the clippers could win now but dude sga like he had like moments of brilliance as a rookie or a sophomore with the clippers but watching him play now again i wish i did eric kept pushing me he's like get Get league pass, get league pass. Did you get it, by the way?
No, because I'm broke and I'm cheap. I'm cheap. I'm Filipino. Leave me alone. But, you know, next year, next year. Thankfully, the playoffs are all like on national television. But yeah, the few games that OKC was on NBA TV or on TNT or ESPN, it was like he's it's just like it felt like a coming out party for him this year. So, you know, dude plays so amazing, plays head down, you know, moves the ball.
He's just like everything that you want a good player to be and yeah maybe again my heart of hearts wants him to win just because it's like he came from you know he's uh drafted by the clippers and he's playing for a small small team and you know he they they got they got the first place i was so surprised about to be honest before this we recorded today i you know i refreshed my feed and they they posted the playoff positioning i was like wait a second how did okc become number Number one,
like just a few nights ago, we were talking about like, oh, it's Denver versus Minnesota for number one. And now there's second and third. It was like, oh, okay. See, it was there. But I think you guys talked about it already. Like at one point in the Western Conference, it was like the top five teams were like split by two games. So on any given night, one team loses, one wins, and it's all reshuffled again. So I guess that just happened overnight.
And now we have the playoff picture that we have today. But anyway, SGA is my choice. again dark horse because I don't think he's going to win but again maybe sometimes the underdog wins.
Sometimes yeah sometimes sometimes it's not gonna happen this season come on man it's not they're gonna they're gonna give yokich another mvp you know this and that's my pick just gonna go with i'm gonna go with what the league wants because it wants you know wants to soften the rules for european players to make it in this and win everything so he's he's my mvp this year and And the reason why is because he is the best player in the league.
Like, and I don't think there's an argument against that at this stage. Like he is an incredible passer for being six foot 11, got great court vision, both defensively and offensively. He knows exactly where to put the ball for his teammates. He gels with each of them so well. He has a crazy touch. He's almost like unstoppable within five feet of the basket. And he has moves for days and he moves like somebody, one of you guys said like a ballerina.
Like he, he is by far and away the best player in the NBA. By far and away. Yes. By far and away, dude. Like, you know, why is great? He's not the MVP. No, but Luca is great and deserves an MVP. MVP, it's not happening this year because Jokic is dead. I don't think this guy doesn't have kryptonite, okay? Listen, you don't have to get so upset that he balled up Anthony Davis four straight games in the playoffs last year. Because you know why? You know why?
I'm going to make a management call. Thank you. Okay. As you knew, back in 2020, we had a run with him. We knocked him out. We also had the kryptonite piece, which we were talking about him earlier.
Dwight Howard. we had a big body dude who wasn't afraid to get in his face like just it literally it made him uncomfortable i mean granted it's just four years ago he's grown it was four years ago during nba summer camp it wasn't summer camp that was more of a we'll have a whole mental part of it there was no yeah imagine being stuck in a tournament with the same team for three months you'd want to shoot every one of those motherfuckers on
your team you wouldn't be isolated i would i'd be like Like, woosah, woosah! In the bathroom while everybody... No, hell no. You're not trying to do none of that. We'll have a whole different episode on the hate that that happened. That was good basketball. There were no fans. But they had the best recovery ever. No plane rides. You're getting immediate... All right, what was the excuse last year?
The best basketball. Anyways, it doesn't matter. That was old Jokic, but my whole thing, back to the premise, come back. Come back to the kryptonite. The kryptonite is you have, because he's so skilled, like you said, but the one thing is the one variable that you can't weigh in basketball, and it's like getting under somebody's skin. And unfortunately, that's the only way you can, I guess, slow dude down. But it's right there.
We, you're welcome. I feel like it's really difficult to get under Jokic's skin at this stage. Howard was pissing him off. Because Howard was doing like the old impressive... Dude, Howard is playing in China now. Like, who cares? But you know what? You know what Howard is saying? Funny. You're always on the team we want to ring. That's weird. Talk to me. That's what he's telling you right now. I'm channeling through him. They had another big body on him last year.
They had another big Anthony Davis He is, guy, he's not We know this about AD He's not big body Jokic, Jokic is bigger than him.
We need a dude But we turned this into a we thing We turned this into a we thing Any team, any team, Who's playing against him Any team, they need that guy I think that Embiid might be able to be That type of player Like I don't think that they're getting to the, to the finals, but in a B type of player where he'd have to like accelerate, like play defense every time down on a guy like Embiid, that would actually be an intriguing, I mean, granted if Embiid was healthy,
that would be in, I would love to see that matchup. Cause I feel like that's the person who he's big, he's skilled, he's, And he's not afraid to mix it up in right after he dunks on Jokic. And then Jokic is like, oh, it's fragile. So fragile. Maybe. Wow. Maybe, maybe not. Wow. He's saying fire. Just saying that would be that's the one thing. But yeah, I can't. I mean, he's dude with the stuff that he does.
We're going to we're going to we're going to make a friendly wager on our text chain for MVP. Now put your money where you put it. No, because I'm not going to put my hard-earned money on some schmoes who get a vote. All these people who get a vote, I don't agree with them. I don't – but we don't have – like, we're not talking to the voters. We're just making predictions here. Like, you're so confident. Let me ask you this. I'm not that confident.
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. I'm not that confident. Voters. What? Well, let me ask you this. Your pick is Luka, right? He's not 60 enough. Yeah. Yeah. Because Jokic is sexy. Luka's actually arguably sexier than Jokic. Yes, but anyway, we digress. You pick Luka. Do you genuinely feel like he's going to win the MVP? No, because the MVP now is too much based on your win-loss record. And I feel like that holds more weight than the definition of MVP in my eyes.
Like, I feel like that gets too much, you know, so obviously Jokic, I mean, Lukic is out because he's set five, six games behind the front runner. Like, I don't, to me, it's more, it's got to be like deeper than just that part of it. Okay, but if that's the case, then why isn't Jason Tatum not in the conversation? Because he's not having like, I mean, he has a great number, but because their team, their team is so, everybody's eating, you know? Their team is running on. They're a nice machine.
They're good to go. They're the fancy car that's got, they don't need to be like, they don't have any nitro, something to supplement. They're good. They're going. It's different. They're not, they're a great team. That's the definition of great team. Tatum has to separate himself in the playoffs. Tatum has to separate himself in the playoffs. Oh yeah, he has to take, I mean, they're obviously a great. Put them on his back. Yeah, they had a great season. But he's got to be like...
But he's definitely got to take him to another level come playoff time. So you made your picks. But again, realistically, who do you think is going to win the MVP? Lewis, go. Luka. You're muted, buddy. Who, me? Realistically, it's Jokic.
I got so hot because everybody was talking about Jokic, Jokic. But yeah, I think unfortunately it's going to be another one of those like Steve Nash MVP seasons where it's like it's just gonna go to the guy yeah it should have been Kobe that year but I digress you know it's gonna be another one of those years where it's like maybe it should have been somebody else but I think Jokic is on a winning team he's putting up the stats and I think it's just the the consistent and the the sexy pick so
yeah it's gonna be Jokic this year and actually it's funny he brought up Tatum because I actually had him him on elite too but i think he's the only thing he's guilty of is being on a good team like you're not gonna win again i guess it's apples and oranges but like kobe's mvp season that i felt like he should have won back then when steve nash won the lakers were winning so nobody was gonna give it to him so yeah tatum's not gonna get
an mvp this year until unless what's the other jade guy on that jaylen brown jaylen brown unless he goes down and like it's it's just the jason and Tatum team. I don't think he's ever going to get an MVP, but or a fair shake in that case. But yeah, I think it's going to be Shea. Oh, not Shea. I want it to be Shea. My bad. It's going to be Jokic. See, slip of the tongue. Sorry, Freud. Jay, who are you picking to or who is going to win the MVP? And please don't mute yourself.
Luka, these voters will pull their head out of their ass. This guy did NBA in history, people. Hello. Jokic could get in next year with all your advanced metrics, okay? This dude, NBA history. So he'll still be in the book. He'll still have his name on there. And then I'll be like, what else did you win? Oh, well, he won the scoring title. He's going to win the scoring title too this year. He's leading the league in scoring or points or whatever.
I think Luka's up there, right? Is he going to take that home so that he gets that? He doesn't get MVP because he's the best scorer. That's ass. But he's responsible for the most points per their team. If that's NBA history, I don't want to, Jokic, hold your shit for next year. We have history is on line one. Okay? History is on line one. I sense that there's some Lakers history tension here with the not picking Jokic. This is no. No, listen, listen.
Luka's a solid pick. Luka's a solid pick. He's a great pick. I'm not mad at that. Go for it, buddy. We're here. You're having an awesome year. This is a safe place. I'm not, that's fine. But NBA history. Do you guys, history. Not everything gets in the history book, Eric. Not everything. Right. This guy's in there regardless of your little MVP award, you know?
Sexy pick. you know the league but the league i mean i get winning you don't want you can't be on the ass ass team and then oh you can't oh good you know you got it but he's not dude being fifth in the west is not ass you know no i feel like that you know i don't feel that i don't think that the record should necessarily like take you out but we'll see i ain't betting nothing i'm putting my I have money on these other opinions.
You know what I mean? All right. Well, okay. So we got two Jokic's and a Luka. I'm going to go ahead. Attorney company. What a firm. The best law firm in the Eastern Bloc. All right, guys. Those are all the awards. Thanks for participating. Jay Watts, is there anything you want to plug? No. New IG name. I had a little upgrade. So we had a little clean sweep situation. It's still Jay Waters 11. Let's make it easier. Roll off the tongue. I don't want anybody to get confused out here.
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i'm here for you you're here for us we're here for each other safe place my square thanks e you're welcome. Oh man i need i i need an inhaler just to catch my breath l boogie anything you want to plug oh yeah always dude i love the sports talk here but i also wear a different hat me and some friends We run a podcast for pop culture, nerdy stuff.
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You can find us there dude it's also kind of a safe space yeah kind of i don't know kind of great we're going to do something about our safe spaces here just so that justin is more comfortable, no i'm fine what are you talking about dude boundaries bro chapter four i told you e i got it all just you'll see it when it's all laid out it's i got it all working on it awesome thanks for being on the podcast.
You're right that's the podcast i want to thank my guests justin waters and louis sayo for uh joining me and discussing the year-end nba awards next week we're going to be deep in the nba playoffs first rounds are going to begin this week and i think we're going to be doing some review and some looking forward to the future of what we think is going to happen in each of these playoff series it's a wild one a lot of teams are stacking the west it's really competitive out there and out
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