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Zero for Tea Money (Advanced Program)

Jul 30, 202511 min
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Gillian Woodward and Roger Basick share about a unique way of fighting against corruption that is being used in India.

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Transcript

Speaker 1

Welcome to Spotlight Advanced. I'm Jillian Woodward.

Speaker 2

And I'm Roger Bassic. Spotlight Advanced uses a special English method of broadcasting. It is easier for people to understand no matter where in the world they live.

Speaker 1

Corruption it is a problem all over the world. Corrupt government officials or dishonest people take money that they have no right to take. One common form of corruption is bribery. A bribe is an unofficial and often illegal payment of money. For example, a company may receive a big business deal from the government by secretly paying a bribe to a dishonest government official.

Speaker 2

India is one country where the bribery is a major problem. Indian citizens often have to pay small bribes for even the most basic services, services which are supposed to be free. Corrupt officials will ask Indian citizens for money for tea. However, tea is never served and people understand that when an official asks for t money, he is really asking for

a bribe. A citizen who does not pay the bribe may have to wait an extra long time for important documents, building permits, and other requests.

Speaker 1

Many Indian citizens accept bribery as a normal part of life. However, fifth pillar is one organization that does not agree. It believes that individual Indians have the power to end India's culture of bribery. Today's spotlight is on Fifth Pillar and n and it's zero rupee banknote movement.

Speaker 2

Indian banknotes are printed in seven values. The smallest is five rupees, the largest is one thousand rupees. But the Fifth Pillar organization has also started to print another kind of rupee note. This note looks like the fifty rupee banknote. It is the same size, the same color, and it has the same picture of Mahatma Gandhi on the front. However,

Fifth Pillar's note is very different. In place of the number fifty on the banknote, Fifth Pillar's note as a zero, yes, a zero, and Fifth Pillar's zero rupee banknote is worth just that zero rupees.

Speaker 1

It does not seem to make sense that anyone would print a zero rupee note. The note is not real money, it cannot be used to purchase anything, and it does not appear to have any real value. However, Fifth Pillar is not printing these notes for profit. Instead, it prints the notes as part of an effort to fight bribery in India. The zero rupee note contains the words end corruption at all levels, where the words Reserve Bank of

India would usually be found. It also contains the statement I promised to neither accept nor give a bribe.

Speaker 2

In nineteen ninety seven, Satindar Mohan Bergat created the zero rupee idea. Bagat was an Indian citizen, but he lived and worked in the United States. On a trip home to India, Bagot was angered by the amount of bribery and corruption that he saw, so he decided to design and print a zero ruby note. His idea was to give the note to any person that asked him for a bribe.

Speaker 1

Ten years later, the Fifth Pillar organization learned about Bagat's idea. Fifth Pillar decided to use the zero rupee in their fight against corruption. Since two thousand and seven, Fifth Pillar has printed and given out millions of zero rupee notes. The organization prints these notes in five of India's languages, Tamil, Hindi, Canada, Malayalam, and Telugu. Fifth Pillar's president is vej anand he told CNN our.

Speaker 3

Only goal is to encourage zero acceptance of corruption in the future. Corruption is one of the greatest barriers to developing as a country. It has become a poisonous custom in our culture, and we need to defeat it.

Speaker 2

Many experts agree that bribery has a negative effect on a country's national economy, and with a smaller national economy, a country is less able to compete with larger economies. However, bribery has negative effects at a personal level. Two, the worst result of bribery is its damaging effects on poor people. Shashi Tharor is a member of the Indian government. He has a popular website on it, he wrote.

Speaker 4

Really, the biggest victims of corruption in our country are the poor. For the rich, corruption is just a minor problem. For the middle class, it can be troublesome, but for the poor it is often a tragedy.

Speaker 1

Without money to pay bribes, India's poor have little chance to get the goods and services they need to survive. This is why Fifth Pillar thinks the zero rupee note is so important. It is a simple tool that individuals poor or rich can use to fight back.

Speaker 2

Bribes are common in India, but they are illegal. In fact, officials caught accepting bribes can go to jail. The problem is that people are often afraid not to pay bribes and they feel it is useless to report bribery because bribery is also common among the police. Without support from the police, people feel alone in their struggle. However, the zero rupee note is a way people can refuse to

give bribes without reporting the corrupt official. It is a way for one person to remind a corrupt official of the illegal nature of their request. The hope is that officials will change, that they will stop asking for bribes.

Speaker 1

But how is giving someone a zero rupee note different from simply refusing to pay them anything. Bribe takers are not fooled. They do not think the money is real. The zero rupee note works because bribery is a crime in India, even though it is so common, and most officials only ask for bribes because they think they will not get caught. When they are given a zero rupee note, they are ashamed and worried that they will be caught. The zero rupee notes weaken the crime by bringing it

into the open. A Nand told Public Radio International.

Speaker 3

When the zero rupee is handed to an official, that makes a strong statement that the citizen is not alone in a fight against corruption.

Speaker 2

But does the zero rupee note really work? An end would say yes, Fifth Pillar has recorded many many examples of its success. One small example concerns an Indian man named Rajesh Chadlan. He told the national newspaper about a train trip from Madurai to Chennai.

Speaker 5

There were several beds in the train, but the worker did not want to give one to me. He said that he would get me a bed only if I paid a bribe. I gave him a zero rupee note. I looked at him in his eyes, letting him know that I would not pay the bribe. He looked worried and shamed, and within a few seconds he gave me a bed.

Speaker 1

The zero rupee note is working for many individual people in India like Chandran. Now the idea is spreading. Organizations in other countries are considering trying their own zero money note. Today, Fifth Pillar is starting a campaign called zero Currency to spread this idea to the rest of the world.

Speaker 2

Can such a movement of individuals change a culture? Does the zero rupee have value far beyond money or will corruption always be part of society?

Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

The writer of this program was from the Spotlight team. The producer was Dan Christman. The voices you heard were from the United States and the United Kingdom. All quotes were adapted for this program and voiced by Spotlight. This program is called zero for Tea Money.

Speaker 1

We hope you can join us again for the next Spotlight program. Goodbye,

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