Ep.221 ''Post Therapy Expo 2024 Reflection' with a multidisciplinary panel of attendees

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And we are live. Welcome everybody. My name is Matt Phillips, creative1chatlive.com and this is episode 221 of the Sports Therapy Association podcast.

Recorded as always live every tuesday at eight o'clock on sports therapy association youtube channel as you can see if you've joined us on youtube for the live recording on facebook eight people on the screen tonight the maximum i can squeeze into a podcast episode because tonight what we're going to do is we're going to reflect on therapy expo 2024 that took place last week in the birmingham nec in the uk on wednesday november 26th and thursday the 27th for

those of you who are regular listens to the podcast you'll know that the STA Update Theatre in Therapy Expo was bigger and better than ever with two days as always of presentations from amazing speakers as well as all the stuff going on on the outside with the marvellous hands-on hub and all the theatres and the networking possibilities and the speaker lounges and fantastically ridiculously priced coffee and stuff that was all around with us and tonight I have the pleasure of bringing you.

Seven attendees, multidisciplinary panel, which I'm really excited about because after all, the expo does kind of sell itself as a multidisciplinary conference. So I'm really excited to bring this to you. So if you have joined us live, then the advantage you've got is you can ask our guests questions live. You can comment yourself. And I'm hoping that if you do join us live, you can put your own experiences, particularly if you went there.

And also, if you didn't go there, I really want to hear tonight why you didn't go. Were there barriers? was it too expensive could you do not find accommodation had you seen it all before were you not oppressed with the program or maybe there was other reasons you just couldn't afford to take two days off clinic whatever it was okay because i really want to hear the pros and the cons for it.

So that's it we'll hear hey everybody hey uh say hi right so what we're going to do then for the benefit of the people who have joined us on the podcast i reckon this might be tricky but i'm going know call out your name and then maybe just within 20-30 seconds tell us your name your profession, where you're from or where you're based and how many times you've been to Therapy Expo that make sense so I'll go around in

no particular order I'll just read them out from a crib sheet Natalie Heng you're first you're up I'm a clinical and sports massage therapist based in London and this was my first time right Therapy Expo fantastic thank you very much Shannon Byrne, Thanks so much. I am Shannon Byrne. I'm the owner of Rebound Injury Clinic in Dublin, Ireland. And I also lecture in Portfella Institute in their Latter-dayer Science and Sports Therapy programme.

I'm a sports therapist and I think this is year four I've gone to the therapy episode, three or four. Excellent. Thank you very much. Brilliant. And Danielle Peters? Hi, I'm Danielle Peters. I run Body Health Gatwick. In Gatwick, as it says, I'm a graduate sports therapist. I believe this is the third time I've been to Sports Therapy Expo myself. Amazing. Steve Yeoman. Hi, Steve. I'm based in Warrington. I'm a sports therapist and that's my second time I've attended.

Brilliant. Thanks a lot, Steve. And Sharia, do you want to try his surname?

Go on, Sharia Kirazang. pretty close i'll say that's a nice try cancel on i know it's there really close yeah really close so hi i'm sharia i am from um we physio and can in care physiotherapy in based in glasgow this is my first time in therapy expo brilliant thank you much sharia and emily sweet hi i'm emily i'm a physio i'm based down in plymouth i'm a physio in the nhf but also just recently joined And Islasal, so the private physio clinic,

And this is my first year of time, Nick. Fantastic. Thank you very much. And last but no means least, Nikki Sherman. Sherman. See, I told you I'd get it wrong. Yeah, I'm Nikki Sherman and I am Sherman Podiatry. I'm in Worcester. I've been working 25 years pretty much now. And I've been to Therapy Expo about three or four times. I can't quite remember. Fantastic. I'm so happy, first of all, that you've all said yes, which is amazing because I know you're a busy clinician. Some of you literally

finished about five minutes ago. So I really appreciate your time. And also such a lovely selection. There's people who are from different disciplines, which was going to be really interesting as well. And people have been there one time, two times, four times. So there should be lots of different experiences. Nicky Mansfield is in the house, obviously. Nicky Mansfield says, hey, all, sorry I'm late. Head cold, messing with my brain. Nicky, all I can say is it's not man flu. So just you're fine.

Don't worry. You can't get the worst kind of cold and flu out there. Exactly. Thank you, Steve. I'm glad you joined me on that.

Brilliant. Right. So thank you for joining us, Nicky. And don't forget, people, if you are listening, do put some questions in there or put some experiences how therapy expert went for you. So let's I don't want to start on it. Maybe it's not a downer, but I think the elephant in the room normally, which listeners will want to know about, is about the cost. Now, this will obviously vary on people. It's not going to vary too much because you're all health care providers.

So none of you are making none of you got Mercedes outside your front door because you're in the wrong profession for that. But I'm interested, and we'll go around the room again, I'm interested whether it was a barrier for you, whether it was an issue. Obviously, you all made it in the end. I'm wondering how you made it. Did you have to structure something or how did you manage to get two days off clinic?

And I appreciate it will vary depending on whether you're by yourself or in a multidisciplinary clinic or whatever. But I'm interested about costs. So maybe let's go in the same order on my list. I don't leave people out. Natalie. Was it a problem for you? So I think I got the early bird. So it's like 120 pounds or something rather than 180 pounds. And initially I actually was like, oh, I don't know.

I need to, I was having some cash flow stuff. So my friend actually bought the ticket for me, which was a mistake because there were issues with the app. But I feel like 120 pounds. Yeah, I think that's decent for like two days of like jam-packed full of stuff. You get like your CPD in.

So I feel like I think it's worth it and you can like call it an expense as well so, how is it for because you've got the you've got that the entrance and there is early bird tickets and also STA members get load things and you might be with an association who gives you discounts and stuff but what about the extra costs here some people say like you went to birthdays did you you go to two days and how was accommodation did you have something else sorted out or

how did you manage that Airbnb with a couple of friends so that was that was pretty decent we went we could win for a cheap cheap place maybe next time i'll go for a less cheap place but yeah it was really was it a very cheap place then yeah yeah yeah i will yeah yeah we did that one year yeah yeah i made him say i could put my hand down the side of the bed and i'm never going to forget what i found that's horrible yeah but no airbnb we

mentioned that like four months ago we were doing white people listen now's the time get your airbnb i know somebody the hands on hub of like 18 people in a house and it was like 1300 for 18 people just like 65 pounds each or something it was like doable for two nights so yeah good shout so you managed it in the end that's good okay let's go to Shannon what was it like for you is it ever I wasn't as lucky on the accommodation front

I was very well prepared from the tickets because like I said I've been to therapy a couple of times so I typically try and buy the tickets when I'm there and then by the. I don't know if anybody does max that way, but because I've bought it so far, it's nearly free. Luckily enough, I booked my flights early on too, and I had another event in Blackpool the weekend. So I was able to double up. So I was flying to the UK on Wednesday morning.

I'd be in the airport at 4am. Wasn't sure how my brain was going to hold up for the full day. And then I actually only arrived home back to Dublin last night. So I kind of got a dual trip this time around, whereas normally that would be two flights in two weeks for me. The flights, because I booked them early enough, I want to say maybe three or four months ago, were quite cheap. The accommodation, I must have gone on and priced the accommodation and not booked it.

So when I went on maybe three weeks before the expo to double check where my hotel was, I realized I didn't book anything. So for my two nights in travel lodge, I think it cost me close to £300. So definitely an expensive mistake to make that I probably won't make again. And I probably wouldn't do the red-eye flight on the Wednesday morning and again either because by the time I got to the end of the day, my brain was definitely ready to switch off.

So the extra expense of maybe another hotel the night before would probably be beneficial in terms of taking in as much information as possible on the day. And so again, another kind of added expense for anybody that's coming from a little bit further out. But again, I buy my ticket well enough in advance for it. I think I paid £99 plus fat and then the extra £20 for the recordings for next year.

So I think it might have worked out as 150 quid in advance which I don't think again is too bad considering the amount of CPD that you're getting the network and all that sort of stuff too but I might book the hotel a little bit earlier this time around.

Yeah so booking ahead yeah doing it earlier on. Or like that jumping in with somebody else I was traveling on my own so maybe if I was sharing the hotel with a colleague and we were splitting the cost it might not be as bad and but traveling on my own it was definitely more expensive.

Okay, brilliant. How about Danny? How's it for you? Yeah, good. So actually, I learned from my mistakes. I did. I went up on the Tuesday night. Yeah, because my brain can't handle a 4 or 5am start and then a full day of learning. Like I get to about two o'clock and I'm just fried. So yeah, I went up Tuesday night. So for me to get to Birmingham is about three hours, three and a half hours.

So it's not the quickest journey. this year I was a bit lucky because my other half happened to be working in Leicester in the same week which is an hour away so we actually we ended up staying in Coventry which is about half hour 40 minutes away and I've been to Birmingham a couple times now for various things and honestly if you just stay outside near a train line it is so easy to get in on train and it's much cheaper than staying in actual Birmingham city as

well so yeah I highly recommend like going just to coventry instead or or look look at the train line because they're dead easy so oh yeah nicky manseo just seen yeah staying over in coventry yeah so there you go just stay slightly outside you'll probably get a really nice accommodation as well for the price ours is beautiful it's like on a farm it's lovely great advice yeah yes that's brilliant yes staying slightly outside yeah nicky

has said recommend staying over in coventry much cheaper than solihull broom dead easy travel by train or drive stay near the a45 and it's pretty much 15 minutes in a straight line to the nbc it's true if anybody's not aware of the nbc there's literally like a 10 minute skywalk they call it don't they from the station into the actual conference area so all these things may help you if if that was your fear um of not going for not

going this year thank you danny uh steve i was in the very fortunate position that i was taken as a guest of one of the exhibitors. So my ticket cost me nothing. Oh, nice. It's who you're now, isn't it, Steve? All it cost me was the, obviously my petrol, my hotel, which I stayed at the Premier over the road and just walked across the car park. So that's the best way to do it. How long were you stalking this exhibitor for in order to build up a relationship and be able to stay in their house?

I actually know that exhibitor actually asked me if I wanted to go because I bought at the cost. When they mentioned it, I said, I don't know because of the cost implication and taking time at work, et cetera. And then they said, no, come as my guest. Fair enough. So I don't know if you noticed on my tag, it did say exhibitor. I didn't. Because I don't know. No reason to look at your chest. Yeah. I know. That's good. That's a nice little success story. So good on you.

If you can manage to, if you know somebody who's exhibiting, that's a great way to do it. Okay. Nice one.

Cecily hisslop says i stayed in the hands-on hub party house highly recommend it yes i've still got that picture you drew we won't go any further than that shall we know injury muskine has joined us saying sorry i'm late people who have joined us late if you went to therapy expo then yeah feel free to put some stuff in the comments and we will pick up on them sharia how did you manage to get from sunny glasgow sunny glasgow definitely so because i am luckily in the.

The tickets for for for the expo and my boss she get it like she got it for me so i don't have to pay anything thank you so much natalie thank you so much to like my boss your name natalie sorry i'm also for for the trains and i took the train from glasgow central and it's like to me probably five hours it's really tired and also i travel the same day so i wake up for like four and then reached there for like 10 half 10 and then i luckily but i mean luckily i got the hotel from trip so it's not

too bad for one night 100 quits but um so in general it's quite pretty well worth it for cpd but quite a long journey to travel from glasgow and you know just two day and one night and back at the second day and i think i reached glasgow probably like 1 a.m on friday that's tough going that's hardcore yeah i think there was a few people there this year who were part of a team i seemed i don't know whether i just started looking for it but i

think um emily you were part of a team weren't you did your but actually i might be starting off an issue here did your boss pay for you emily did you have to pay yourself no no i was i was really lucky yeah shout out to mila for getting trouble with island no there was an like a couple of my colleagues as well, they were meant to be going and then they couldn't go. So that's why Isla had the spare ticket. So I kind of, yeah, went very last minute, like only had a couple, couple of weeks notice.

It's like I work like yeah full-time in the NHS and the MSK outpatient department so it just happened to be that on the Thursday I had annual leave anyway so I didn't have to request anything and then for me to go all day on the Wednesday I only had half and had the afternoon of patients to sort of reorganize so I was very fortunate to be able to go because I think if I had yeah full obviously diary for a couple of couple of days and

only a couple of weeks notice I wouldn't have been able to attend so yeah i was really lucky and accommodation wise we did airbnbs there was five of us in in total so yeah we um just split it all and again yeah i love amazing and drove us all up so i guess that was booked again a bit in advance was it to get a decent airbnb yeah i believe um i think i did the early bird offer i think as well so yeah she booked it.

Yeah yeah i mean anyone who pays full price for therapy expo is missing out something huge because it's i think it's like full price is on about 300 quid or something or it's like a fortune, so it's interesting i wonder whether people out there who do work in a in a clinic with a few people maybe there is a conversation to be had there with your boss because i imagine there's some deal if they say look i've got three workers who want to go along to this event or,

maybe there is a way of doing it and then also you can book an airbnb and so yeah interesting Yeah, and interesting from like being outside of the private setting for a long time. I actually didn't know Therapy Expo was a thing. And I guess, yeah, a lot of my colleagues in the NHS and things, if we didn't know about it, we wouldn't think about booking it in a year in advance.

And then we would get to the point of coming close to time being like, yeah, there's no way we could afford that and get the time on. Yes, you didn't know about it. So, yeah, we'll talk to marketing at Therapy Expo. Later on the fact that and you work whereabouts in what hospital so i'm um part of um, Yeah, I am basing call. I'm so touched on that. I'm a better side of the Tamar Bridge. But no, I work in Derriford, Plymouth, so UHP.

Okay, yeah. So it's interesting that they don't know about therapy expert. Yeah. Okay, well, we'll talk about not being in the private sector, what you've found then, if it was useful to you. So we just have, Nikki, how was it for you? Was there a cost ever a barrier for you?

Well for us in podiatry we have the annual conference as well at the same time it's the same week last year I managed to double book myself when I was at therapy expo one day and then I it was very close anyway but this year I managed to be very organized and I was just coming to therapy expo because I work in Worcester and and Worcester's not that far anyway it's like 40 minutes to Birmingham so me and the physio that works with me we sort the kids out and then And we tend

to get there like a little late. So we tend to actually miss the first talk, which is really annoying because often the first one is one of the ones I want to go and see. And yeah, we generally book ahead in advance anyway. So that's all fine. But parking can be a problem. So as long as you book the parking in advance, too, then it's a bit cheaper. So it all seems to be in advance, isn't it? Which isn't a surprise, I think.

But the amount of feedback we get, people are kind of thought that was too much, too much.

There does seem to be a correlation between people who maybe aren't that organized or didn't book it ahead it seems to be the biggest reason that's why we spent so long in the first kind of 20 minutes talking about it because it's the biggest obstacle i think it doesn't have to be that expensive let's move on to you you've got a decent deal you've arrived there what about content so i think it's interesting i don't know how

to do this it is interesting that we have got a selection of different disciplines here in terms of sports massage therapists sports therapists physios podiatrists i don't know whether to do it in order or whether just to see if there's any correlation between them what do you think guys should we go around and do it in order in terms of profession or should we just say what we enjoyed and see if there's a correlation.

They're all looking at me going i don't know matt you're the host you tell us okay let's start with, massage therapists okay massage therapists so natalie that's you yeah how did you find it being a massage there first of all just to reiterate when did you qualify when you say you're a sports massage therapist how long ago did you qualify i started the first course in 2018 and then, so i did like a beginner's thing and then i did the acmc i trained with the

jing okay yeah and then so i think you know those and then there's covid so like i know 2019 like like. 2019 2020 something like that i guess and is there a level then involved what level would you be, Level six. I know I'm not supposed to say that with this. Yeah. You can say that in the show. It's fine. Level six. Yeah. I did the BTEC. The BTEC six. Yeah. So you're allowed through your certification to work with people who are injured.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not the same. It's often with massage therapy. If it's after 2012 or something, we think you can only work with kind of pre or post event or it's all very complicated now. But you are actually a massage therapist who is allowed to work with injured people. Yeah.

Yeah. okay so really in the same bag as sports therapist not to don't start stoning me sports therapist if you've done three or four years degrees or bscs or anything but i i was under the impression you were just not just a terrible thing to say that you i don't i don't you know rehab stuff like that i don't really you know do i have like basic sort of suggestions but i definitely you know that's kind of beyond like my scope so i'm

sure that there's a big difference between sports therapists and and you know massage therapists there is if it's a level three massage therapists let's go with let's chuck kind of certificates on the wall aside let's go with what you all found one of the one or two things you really were surprised and you found really useful so maybe sharia let's start with you what did you what stood out for you in terms of positive useful information um so my backgrounds besides the clinics that i work for

msk i also work as a sport physio for football as well. And from my point of view, there's two main things that I think is quite useful for the first of all, like the talks, especially sport related. They might not, they might don't have that much football related. They might have a lot of, you know, shoulder injury and runner, but there's a brilliant talk by Dr. Bilos about ACL courts reconstruction, which is we've seen a lot in football, is really useful. We normally see hamstring graft.

Right now, it seems like we are going to the new era of quartz graft as well. It's really useful.

And then in terms of MSK, as a physio who work in private clinics, I initially quite struggled with the managing times, how to maximize managing the time and maximize the productivities so i think most of the talk is really really useful like kind of shave your ideas how you can manage things not just only the knowledge and also how you manage productivities while you're working that's what i love the kind of business related yeah anybody in particular stand out for you with

regards to that do you remember any names or a few of them for am for You mean for the business and maximizing I like TikTok efficiency from Mike James, right? James is quite good. And then because I don't go and listen to that much kind of like business and entrepreneur idea how to manage the clinics, because obviously I'm not the clinic owners. But I like the idea of kind of like how you manage in terms of your being a physio and how you can help patients as a whole.

And also you can maximizing productivities and not like doing everything in one hour.

Try to prioritize things which is really good okay so two themes there we're going to throw to the floor first of all sports specific stuff did anybody feel that they would have liked something more sports you can't cover all the sports but would you i don't think there was many talks there that were particularly sports specific were there or did i miss them there's netball yeah and and also um the um the runners the interrunner that you did oh yeah there's an I feel like

we should have more varieties of sports or maybe. Because we are UK, like football, like that. But I want to see more rugby in the future. But that's good. We have concoction guidelines as well. We want to try a mix of everything.

Badminton's also a lot of shoulder injury. that why I'm kind of like, it's like more variety of sport in the expo because it's going to be more like that. Maybe a sports theatre, maybe one of the theatres, okay, it's a different type of sports. It's third open. Anybody else feel they would have liked to see particular sports in there or do you think?

Yeah, from previous years Matt, there was the likes of Liz Bailey there talking about dancers and dance injuries and that sort of stuff and I work with quite a lot of dancers and I was a dancer myself so a lot of my clients would be dancers just I suppose it's a natural progression for me being a dancer and so I always really enjoyed Liz's talks in the past and she wasn't there this year and I think Steph the Act would have been the closest to dance specific even though her talks were

more around kind of hypermobility and hypermobility Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome but it definitely would have been nicer to have some more specific to dance because like when we look at the research there's a lot in relation to ballet specifically but not other genres of dance so like you were saying it's some sort of a sports either that would maybe do kind of a couple of different sports, it would definitely help practitioners that are working within specific sports

to kind of maybe go to one or two of those talks that match up with their client's help.

Definitely the netball was tom astley wasn't it i think rightly yeah they just give tom a little shout out fantastic any other comments on sports specific danny would you like to see some combat sports when you're that's your neck of the woods would you like to have seen something specific to that or yeah i mean do you want to get away from that no absolutely i mean i don't think there was any martial arts this year at all i know in the past they i remember there

was one about boxing but it was more about their kind of their progression in the sport rather than actually anything from a therapist point of view. So, yeah, absolutely. I totally agree. There should be more varieties of sports spoken. I love the idea of maybe having a theatre dedicated purely just to chatting about pros and cons of sports, things you're going to likely see in that sport.

Something like that would be really, really helpful. How you would address it, what prehab maybe you could do.

Like just a bit of life experience is always I really enjoy them sort of style of talks I do because I obviously run a business I do enjoy actually the business stuff as well I find it really like focuses my thoughts and try and gives me a bit of direction and and good things always come as well from from networking with those people as well they do give you some good ideas and then you can take it back so yeah yeah I I remember the the dancer ones last year and I And I

absolutely love them, to be fair. And I often share the slides on my Instagram stories for my clients. And it doesn't matter really what sport they are. And they love it. They love looking at seeing what I do behind the scenes. And I've shared some of the slides. And especially the sport that they happen to do, they're like, oh, I didn't realize that. That's really cool. So, yeah, I think having a variety really helps reach a broader mind as well.

Any other comments on particular sports that you would like to have seen or haven't been mentioned i mean rugby yeah i agree rugby wasn't there at all i don't think i i was lucky to go to another conference in birmingham the month before and they had loads of rugby in that one so maybe they all got like exhausted the month before but yeah obviously martial arts like even some winter sports would be nice to see you never see anything about the winter sports um you know

skiing skating stuff like that like something a bit more obscure even like just that you wouldn't have naturally thought of would be would be wonderful to hear someone's experience in that and it might inspire someone who especially a student or something who's thinking of where they're going to go they don't always jump into the big sports or you know the top tier of football or rugby you know they might end up in a bit of a slightly odd sport or like

I'm just throwing things out there but like a volleyball or something badminton which isn't necessarily as popular but that's sometimes the entry level that people have to go through and and usually end up loving to be fair so yeah it would be nice to see a variety and open horizons a little bit I think. Good idea. Well, what are you thinking of ways to develop it? I can't wait until the management listen to this.

We will have a chat with them in about three or four weeks with Molly and Vern and Charlotte again, and they will appreciate all of this feedback. Anybody, slight university challenge, anybody on the bottom row, showing my age now, Nicky or Steve, anybody in particular sports that you'd like to see mentioned? Or do you think it's the place where they should be focusing on sports or Emily or?

I think one of the issues I had was trying to get around to the various talks, you know, the timing of them, clashing, networking, catching up with people, you know, that kind of thing. It's just, it really is, it seems that really full on is two days. I actually came away saying, we need a third day. Then again, there's a cost and there's time off work, all that kind of thing. But, so as I was thinking about this, maybe they could video the talk and give us access to those videos afterwards.

Yeah. I mean, some of them did overlap, didn't they? Yeah. That's talked about. They were recorded as long as people were speaking into the mic and, yeah, but, yeah, videos, I don't think they're doing yet. So apparently you could buy them, buy the videos. And I actually did. I tried to buy them, although there's been some issues with that.

So that was going to be something I was going to say, like, it'd be nice to name a, what you mean if you paid for your ticket you get the video as well yeah yeah because at the end of the day you could technically go to everything but time-wise you couldn't i i thought if there was the the hip impingement one i know that like i really wanted to get to and i turned up like 10 15 minutes before and the queue was massive and they already said

they were like it's going to be full like you can't like go in but i thought they scanned our barcodes and they said that the presentation would be sent to us what the slides you should yeah but i haven't got anything i didn't know whether there was just going to be like a delay of getting them but that was kind of them reassuring us that don't worry we're going to scan your your barcode and then you'll get sent the the slides but we were kind of

like we were like oh yeah okay and then it wasn't so we reflected we were like wait how's that gonna work if they've scanned it.

I'm not too sure yeah that happened last year and i was told at one of the talks if we scan you you'll get the slides and the recording and i was like oh great no problem and then i got in contact with them a couple of weeks later and i got nothing and they were like oh you don't have the package to add the videos on and i was like but they're telling people at the doors of these theaters you're getting this stuff sent to you and you're just not so like i mentioned to

mad actually just at the the last presentation when we were rounding things up if we could book a seat in the talks that we were really looking forward to so say if they released the timetable a couple of weeks beforehand and you know everybody favorites the ones that they want to go to and creates their little timetable if they could look at that and then say okay right well 100 people want to go to this hip impeachment that's to go into the biggest theater or maybe we need

to put it on on both days so we need to kind of duplicate the timetable for the really popular runs to happen twice so that there's actually enough time and enough spaces for people to see the content that they want to see. Because like that, the tickets are expensive enough on their own. An extra £20 then for recordings. And like that, it might just be one talk that you want the recording of. In my case this year, there was two talks I didn't get to see. And I was like, it's £20 for an hour.

Of two different recordings of something I didn't see. And like that, there might've been issues with a microphone or you might not see what they're actually doing. So that could be another implication. And I'm pretty sure the first year I went, there was talk of the videos being included. But again, I didn't receive them and there was some sort of technical error. And then they started adding on the cost for the videos. And I was kind of like, sure, I should have gotten them for free last year.

Why would I pay for them again? Yeah, okay. That's giving you something to ask them about. There's a little bit of chatter in the live lounge here. Gary says, some talks run over time creating problems. Therapy Expo can only provide audio recordings due to limitations. Presentations usually take several weeks to be made available. Okay, so yeah, it does take a while for them to get through to you.

Nikki has said, I think something we've commented on, you can buy a premium ticket, which includes recordings, and you can buy an upgrade for £20 to get the recordings. That's what you were saying, wasn't it, Shannon? I overheard that when I was at the next year's ticket desk.

Indre has said, just bringing this up on the screen, mean we can still purchase recordings for 20 pound i've done it last year and i can still access the te 2023 library no videos just voice and slides yes i've purchased them for my ticket for next year but i didn't realize it was just audio which is kind of again another implication because what if it's quite practical and they're demonstrating something so say matt for

your talk for example on the gate analysis we wouldn't have been able to see how you were applying anything we would have just heard your voice over yeah yeah yeah it wouldn't be as interesting The only thing I've got going for me is the visual. If you just get the audio, it's terrible. I've actually got my slides because I've photographed them. What? I've got your slides because I've photographed them. God, I've been talking to you. I've been talking to you and I'm finding you.

Right, yeah. So, yes. I mean, there's a few things there which we need to raise with them. I mean, first of all, let's do an order. I don't want to get all negative. We will shine on a few other people which really stood out. But the, yeah, not getting into the theatre, this was something that was picked up on last year. It was the main feedback. We've come all this way. We've paid our tickets. Really, we want to see so-and-so.

We couldn't get in, you know, and that is really kind of quite devastating. In the past they have kind of tried to do booking it and ordering it ahead and getting a reservation or something like that never kind of worked.

Is that something that's always going to happen at conferences or do you think you've got, I mean, one solution might be getting the video, like you say that at least you can sit down in your own time and watch the video, but I guess there's always going to be cues for certain people and, It's just who's there first, isn't it? It's tricky. We did it as a group. We ended up like tag teaming it in a way. If we knew that like a low, you know, we were left with that with five of us.

So yeah, if we saw something was busy or there was like talks at the same time, we were kind of like, okay, yeah, maybe you guys go and see if you can get into that one. We'll see if we can get into this one. And then obviously feedback. That was sort of our plan of action when we realized how busy the kids were. Yeah, it is a problem. so mine is pretty much the same as emily so we go there we went there as a group so we kind of spread out and then cute in different talks but

i think the other idea is besides just send the recording or purchase for the recording might be give the live videos for the people who cannot actually get in and you can just walk like you say or if you might have like some like additional extra space like i'm not sure they might have speed at the back the kind of unused a little bit and you can just pop the space there for like people who cannot get in or have additional exer theater for

the people like for for the talk that is really really famous for like hips or knees or shoulder that people line up for 20 minutes prior the talks and then cannot get in for like sit on the sit on the additional theater and then you can watch the life that actually happens there and i think and also one thing that i think is kind of like a little bit frustrating is i feel like when you have to queue it up into the theater you actually cause congestion

in the front of the boots and then that kind of is really hard to see you know if you want to see that what happened in that boots and then you also oh what happened here why in the line of the soul so maybe have a wee space or area for queuing into the theater not exactly right in front of kind of like the boochers in front of the talks or the theatres. Like make it more like the layout and organisation space. For me, a little bit confusing at the times.

Yeah, it did seem this year the queues were just going in front of all the exhibitor stores rather than previously when they were kind of along the wall. I think this year the layout was worse than in previous years. Like I remember being there, I think the last two times I was there, there was kind of space outside the theatre to enter that wasn't blocking other exhibitors.

And I think that works better. Whereas this year it was kind of, you know, teeter A, teeter B. And then there was like a, it was on a slightly different level for teeter C. And it was kind of awkward to navigate it for the first kind of maybe hour or two. And then you're like, right now I know where I'm going. Whereas in previous years, it was a little bit clearer. And there was some things kind of hanging from the roof to show you exactly where to go.

And although there was some of that this year, I felt like it was slightly less than in previous years, if that makes sense. I don't know if anyone else would agree, but it was definitely a little bit harder to navigate. Yeah. I mean, I've got the worst sense of direction in the world. I get lost. Anyone who watches me next year will realise I'm spending most of the time trying to find my way back to the SDA theatre, just following carpet colours and ending up miles away.

So it's always difficult for me, but it's interesting how other people have problems as well. Let's just go into a positive. Let's go to Natalie. What's shone out for you? What did you really enjoy this year? That's me, right? Yeah, that's you, Natalie.

Yeah well i mean it was my first time coming so i think the thing that i enjoyed most was just feeling like i was part of like the bigger picture and getting to go and like be amongst talks that were relevant to what i do and like a lot of the more specific stuff like injury based i was kind of more interested in the kind of bigger picture stuff like this talks about pain in general yeah so the the biggest thing for me was being able to just feel like get

excited about being part of something bigger and yeah feel validated as a as a massage therapist that like it's sort of like yeah that's really interesting because there is that aspect it's not just the talks we always say this it's not just going to see the talks that is obviously part of it but it's that being with other people and that that's that you're also kind of paying for that really although it sounds weird but you're paying for meeting other people and what you talk about outside

the theater can be just as useful kind of as being in there so that's nice to hear especially it's your first time so did you feel did you go with anybody i can't remember did you go with anyone else a couple of massage therapists okay so you weren't totally by yourself

because that's something we've talked about as well what it's like for the person who's totally solo yeah we all split up like and did different things and were interested in different things but yeah it's okay you felt looked after and not too alone there i mean yeah there was really wasn't really time to to feel lonely because there's just so much to do you're just kind of like you know let's go see this go see that and then.

Do you remember any particular speakers who stood out for you this is your chance to make them feel happy it's going out to 2 000 people yeah i really like the talk by oh no i can't remember what the tristan tristan attenborough yeah you'll love that well done by chris chris norris and the flipping pain one those were all really like great and i think relevant for like what i do great and some of the marketing stuff was really good as well h mdg and katie bell katie bell was massive yeah there

was some really good bits of advice that actually like i was like oh actually do you know what like i need to i need to do that and i've actually gone and like like put them into action i've started i've started trying google ads i've never done that before so we'll see what happens i was thinking of doing facebook but like watching the hmdg felt maybe be like okay yeah maybe google google it is and like filling in faqs on google and putting more pictures of like the space on

the website and then there was a booth clutch like that where you could like sign up for a free like website audit like that's really useful advice with that as well like what what to do on the back end like identified some problems with that like i'm not going to use their services because i'm like too small for it but he was still like oh yeah no but you can you can do this so yeah there was loads of like really things that i was surprised that i actually have taken away and

have been able to like put into action so that was really cool i wasn't expecting. Wow, we really have gone positive now. We went soared out there. Screw the theatres we couldn't get into. After listening to that, Natalie, we all feel totally refreshed. Thank you. The movement Born to Move one as well. That was really cool. And the one about hypermobility and the one about the SMA talking about regulating mass action as a bigger picture question.

So there was just lots of really interesting points of discussion that made me feel like, ah, there's stuff going on in my industry and I want to be part of it and I want to know what's going on and, So, yeah, it's exciting in all sense. Excellent stuff. What about, so you mentioned as well, and so did Cherie, about the business side of things. Did anybody else feel that there was a good representation for how to run your business as opposed to sort of more techniques and stuff?

Did anybody else go to any of them? Nikki, you're nodding. What did you go to and enjoy? What, me? Yeah. Yeah, both I'm Nikki. I wasn't going by anyone else. I'm using the traditional system of just calling your name out. Yeah.

I didn't go to any business stuff but I feel very business saturated all covered for me but and also you know being more of a specialist of the lower limb we learned from hip down so if there's anything to do with concussion then that's off my list and so it's quite nice last year I remember loads of things overlapping and I had the whole fear of missing out saying all the time and I didn't enjoy that but this year I've had like circled more all of mine were a bit more spread out and and so

it didn't go into I normally find one of these things that you pay for the day and there's one talk that really really shines out and I'm really you're paying for that talk the one that really makes you change and and although I didn't quite manage it this time because I didn't make the two days unfortunately my mum had breast cancer and so I was with her for the Thursday so but I did pay for the 20 minute 20 pound like talks for the Thursday well for both days so hopefully that

helps but of course then as a private practitioner you're then taking time out for the second that you wouldn't have necessarily needed to do did you find your one talk then were you gonna say did you find your one talk which made it all worthwhile I didn't happen in the end I wanted to come to no no um I wanted to come for your talk on the Thursday because although I. See, well, I mean, it's running and I have my treadmill.

So although I see quite chronic problems, I'm not really seeing the acute situations that much in our clinic. And I suppose because I've been NHS beforehand, we don't see the acute straight away. They normally go and see A&E and I disagree sometimes with what A&E is to just, but not my forte. And so I'm really interested in the adults. I've. At the moment, I'm the elderly and I'm staying strong. So that was covered a little bit with one of the talks, which was quite nice.

I don't just see elderly people. I mean, I had a nine-year-old and it was, yeah. And, you know, when I look at all of these talks' titles, I'm imagining what I might learn from it. And I'm imagining what the sorts of things that they might tell me. And then they don't always get to the nitty-gritty.

And I really like it for script talk. i like to have like a little like an actual like be clear don't just go yes well we give them some exercises you know i like to say well what what do you give them how many do you give them like how how quickly do you yeah i like to know exactly where i stand because then as then when you're treating your patients you can feel confident just saying the right thing you're not like sure exactly do you work in a clinic do you work with just

podiatrists or you know kind of a multidisciplinary setup in Worcester is there a few different disciplines there or um I am my own clinic I am just me and and then I have a spare room where the physio rents off me so there's okay so you're sharing patients with the physio are you referring I think I crashed yeah there's two of us we so she yeah she refers to me I refer to her with two separate businesses two mums working together powering on um yeah

but it's really nice and it means that then our patients know us as individuals yeah and although maybe as our kids grow up we'll we'll we'll expand and employ more people but at the moment we're we're just on our own but together in it so we came together to therapy expo and i think this time i spent more time talking to the exhibitors than i had in the past and and i had some really great conversations with.

Well, I was talking to Chris Downton at CT Medical Sale, and he sells the ENS dollar-class shockwave machine. And I always feel that the Venn shockwave, they're always, they have their own stream. And I think it's really one-sided. And I don't know whether it's very clear to everyone who doesn't have shockwave how there are different shockwaves out there, and they're not necessarily comparable.

And there are some that don't just maintain the strength of the shockwave the higher you turn it doesn't really do exactly what it what you were hoping so um so i was just having a good chat with yeah so exhibitors i want to open up i wanted to mention exhibitors so as a podiatrist then you found the exhibitors there were useful for your needs other people in the room were the exhibitors useful to look around or were you mostly in the theatres or in the theater or in the Yeah,

in the theatre series. Oh, I was at all day. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much in the theatre. Who else was with the exhibitors? D3 was always my favourite exhibitor from a supplier's point of view for tapes and heat rubs and rehab boxes and all of the stuff that they do. And they've got a really nice message and a really nice group of people. So I always enjoy going to D3. But I think this year I spent less time going to exhibitors and more times in the theatres.

And I didn't really have much time on my schedule when I kind of figured out what talks I wanted to go to. So I don't know whether it'd be nice to have, you know, an hour of a lunch break where there's no talks on that people can actually network and go to exhibitors and maybe grab some food. I think on the Thursday was nearly three o'clock by the time I grabbed a coffee because I was running around from talk to talk.

So although I didn't have enough time for exhibitors, it might be nice, maybe the first hour of the day or the last hour of the day or somewhere in the middle to give some time for people to actually do a little bit more networking and not feel like they're missing out on a talk, Good point. Emily, did you and your posse check out the exhibitors much at all? Yeah, I actually found it quite overwhelming. I think that was the first time I'd been.

And yeah, and as well, being quite new to like a lot of the equipment that was like, you know, used in sort of private settings and things. I didn't feel like I was in a very good position to generally compare things. I found it all quite overwhelming. so I think I shied away and spent a lot of my time in the in the theatres but I did get some feedback from Isla that I will just sort of

read out and because yeah she is the business owner and she said that she liked going round because she enjoyed being aware of like what investment can be made into the clinics so sort of like softwares and equipment so she found that really helpful.

And she also did say as well she likes to see what sort of new new bits of kit are coming on onto the market and then especially being able to see that practically so yeah I think that's, better for the people that like obviously have experience and things of all the different types of equipment because then you can compare and just on sort of like the business and marketing side of things she says as well it gives him more ideas

because that's things that you don't really get taught at university and things so she said a lot of like website setups and social media information she found that really helpful and actually just being able to talk to people you know there and then just getting like tips right away and sometimes you know them showing her on on her phone and things of you know things that she can do she found that quite yeah like rewarding and useful.

That's cool. And that's the clinic owner bringing three of her staff with her to kind of benefit from the whole thing. So, yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. Gary's just mentioned it. The idea of a lunch break, I think, came up just pretty much around lunchtime when we realized no one had lunch.

But it would be beneficial for so many reasons, I think. I think just to have a break and reflect and think about what you've taken in, because if you don't get that break, we all know that it doesn't really sink in unless you stop talk about it discuss it with somebody you just go straight on to the next one and it just doesn't stay that just disappears so and also i like your idea gary's mentioned that or because because plans for next year always have already

started for 2025 the advisory board will be pulled together and i think one thing that we're already talking about and making suggestions of as gary says is a lunch break from talks to benefit the exhibitors so at the end of the day the exhibitors pay for it kind of you know they're the ones who are paying absolute fortune to be there so it's it's important that they do make money out of it otherwise we don't have that or i say we therapy expo closer still media don't have the money to put

on all the uh to take the theaters out and all that sort of stuff so and there's a few more comments here i'm just going to read from people who are in the house let's have a little look indra talks about getting lost great i appreciate that indra it's not just me enjoy bigs up anything in the hands-on hub yeah that was very cool bonnie's hyper mobility ones bonnie southgate was love to see her back she's gonna be on the show i think we're gonna do yeah she's definitely been in the show uh

james earl was great to be on the show again soon, paul coker emma hayes um nikki says i never got round the exhibitors so many talks to. Geek out at yes it's interesting with the exhibitors just see if there's some We didn't have Clare Minchel this time. There was no Clare Minchel this time, it's true. We didn't have Clare Minchel. No, there was a... Yeah, there was no Clare Minchel. And there was a few exhibitors who didn't go this year. And yeah, there's some discussions that have to be had.

I think it's still just... The current Therapy Expo, although this was the 10th one, because COVID didn't happen, the current...

Since covid it's been different management basically different organization same sort of people but different organized so they're still quite young in terms of sorting out seeing what works best and balancing the exhibitors and the speakers and everything so but yeah there was a few noticeable exceptions i noticed that the theaters seem to be some of them were just a bit empty some of them i've never seen it before some speakers reported back

to me and said there are empty seats normally they're just full full so it's weird we've got some theaters where people can't get in we've got other theatres which are normally full and they're actually.

With empty seats so i'm wondering i don't know how that happens i think it would be more interesting like say if there was like the app is obviously relatively new and we can all favorite what ones we like if they could maybe hold out to allocate time slots so say to either a is your biggest day then to either b then to either c and then if you've got talks that are going to be really really busy put them in the bigger theatres if you've

got talks that less people are interested in put them in the smaller ones rather than having three theaters the exact same size and have some being empty and some with a waiting list of people to try getting in would it be more beneficial now obviously that requires people to have booked and then to actually open the email that said make sure you favorite your talks and all of that sort of stuff but it would be beneficial for the type a personalities like myself that like being organized that

you could go on and reserve a seat so that when you get into the queue you can say well look i've gone on in advance three weeks ago or whatever it might be and I've booked to be in this talk because it's something I'm really interested in and maybe 20% or 30% of the seats for kind of people to come on the day don't book the whole thing out by people but like you know have maybe 50-60% of seats that are available

to book online prior to the event and then the rest are kind of walk-ins to the the talk so that you.

Kind of the expo chance to look and go okay well everybody wants to go to math talk everybody wants to go to Bilal's on ACLs everybody wants to go to Steph the Act everybody wants to go to Anna Maria so why don't we put those in the bigger theatres and then if there is something a little bit more niche like say for example the netball or like I was quite shocked with Bonnie's because Bonnie did one talk in the ST school and

it was jam-packed there was people sitting on the floor there was people standing everywhere and she went straight from that talk into theatre B or theatre C and there was maybe 20 people there now it was the last talk of the day so we know people go home but I actually ran five minutes early from her talk at the ST school to queue up in the other theater because I was like if there's this many people here we're not all gonna fit into that theater so I

left early and then I went in I was sitting down where has everybody gone. And the second talk was actually even more interesting than

the first talk so I was like how did people decide to go to one and not the other and I don't know if she just caught people's attention as they were leaving but if there was a bit of an interest kind of thing that you could flag what ones and then they set the schedule to say okay rather than having these two really big talks at the same time we're going to separate them because everybody wants to go yeah that's some great

suggestions there i wouldn't want their job behind to organize it if things clashing and it's very tricky isn't it it's very tricky but they still need to play around with a few things, definitely i mean had the open air theaters those people have been before did the open air kind of theatre thing they're taking the black screens down did that make any difference to the sound or anything or what did you find was it not so much

the sound but I think the problem with those open style theatres for me is like if you are at the back you can't see like you know great if you manage to get to the front I was thinking actually whilst you guys were talking like it'd be really nice and I appreciate this is cost but like to have a big screen that.

So when you're doing the demo for example I don't know I'm just using the gate analysis because it's to mind but you could even have a screen so it zooms on what you're seeing from the front so at the back can actually see it i think that'd be really great and then you could put that in the bigger theater as well because you couldn't put a demo thing in the theater because no one would be able to see it but if you had a because they have a massive projector like why not like have a

camera and then the projection is actually good idea what's actually demoing would be great and then you'd fit more people into those really popular because i think the demo ones tend to be really popular as well people want to know what can they physically do yeah yeah and i think if you could have a camera on it that'd be great yeah it's good thinking yeah how about how about announcing when the talks are going to start you know

five minutes to such a talk and such a theater or st school or whatever yeah because you get you're getting grossed in talking networking.

Yeah it's tricky with sound isn't it i mean i thought i personally thought the app was quite good i think if you put an app into your favorites and a little reminder came up and said this is starting soon or something but again that's not gonna be everyone's cup of tea i was trying i didn't look like it people had told me but i was physically trying all day not to get my phone out my pocket as much as i normally do when

i was it's because i was checking what's coming up and where am i supposed to be and blah blah blah but i did find that a lot of people are in that position now where they are trying to keep their phone away i'm not sure if an app is the best thing now i just got the impression maybe i was biased that and thankfully people are trying to use their phone less you know i don't know is am i by myself or were you guys sort of feeling that as well

i don't want to be on my phone tweeting it once upon a while i would have been tweeting everything and now on and now on and now i think you know stick it away just watch what's happening in front of me man i think yeah absolutely and just enjoy what's happening and try and take it in i think the phones could be a distraction i did kind of favorite mine and i was getting the reminders and although they were useful half of the day i felt like my phone was vibrating in my pocket and i was like i

know where i'm going i'd rather have the schedule in my hand in front of me and thread through it yeah i think so so i'm not sure how yeah whether the app is yeah as useful for that reason okay look gang we're actually oh we're running out of time we've gone a bit longer if that's okay with you if you need to disappear we'll go for another five minutes or so just because i want to hear if there's anything else you want to add we've

gone over a few topics did anybody else have anything else they wanted to share in terms of good bad we've already talked about quite a lot of changes over to you guys what have you got. I really like the lymphedina drainage stuff.

Hands-on it was a lymphedema hands-on hard Jane Week and that was fascinating that was yeah so exciting yes and she was saying that they now have just this year been able to inject some sort of dye and then they can see well and fizz and how they drain it and how they massive massage and yeah I thought that was really cool to see like you know only this year have we found out there and um yeah that was really really cool we had a good episode with Jane Jane's on

the podcast and there's an episode with jane talking all about that i think about 20 ago and we'll get her back on it was very exciting because again someone like me who's been going on about evidence informed and you're not really improving circulation and now they've actually got some dye which shows how it is actually moving around with certain techniques it's like for people with compromised systems then it's um yeah it's it's nice to see it's good yeah it's

like if you know what the ratio of different types of professions are like because i guess you know there'll be data about it like do you know how many it's a great question gary you listen to this i'm sure gary will come up with it now gary's in founder of the stas there he's been dropping bits and bombshells in there it's a cool one it was something which because it's sold as.

Multidisciplinary it depends what lens you look through isn't it i i thought it was quite physio based this year but that's maybe because i was looking out for physio kind of stuff i think a lot of the stands seem to be physio centric but then again you can't i can't complain that much because when therapy expert first started, it was all massage based, but it was all kind of guns and cups and all sorts of kind of like... The attendees, do you know like what?

I reckon we could find that out. Come on, Gary, let me down, man. It's got 10 seconds already. Yeah, it'd be interesting. They will have that information who represents what. We know there's at least one podiatrist there so far. I can tell you that. He's down here in the corner. But it's interesting. I mean, did you, what was your impression?

Do you feel that it was multi-disciplinary or do you feel it was kind of overburdened with one particular professional or I thought it was better this year than last year last year I felt like every stand was like shockwave it was really really heavy of the corporate side of things and this year I felt like that that was there you still had the big big boys and stands but I did I did feel that it was a lot more smaller stuff a lot more niche like I'm really big into sports science

and I'm bits and pieces for that so yeah I really liked being able to see like new tech and innovation like for me like even new gadgets and things I might not ever use them but I quite like seeing what's going to be like the new sexy topic for the future and and stuff like that I think that's really really helpful for me.

Yeah that was nice gary palmer i know you trained with me up there he had loads of little gadgets didn't he oh he's so cool he's cool he's a good dude we like gary yeah anti-gravity treadmill as well yeah i want to highlight one point sorry sorry sorry first okay so i just want to highlight One thing that I liked about the Expo, like the concept, so I find like the talks, I mentioned all the talks that I love, like ATL, shoulder injuries.

TikTok efficiencies, flipping pain is a really nice one as well. But I think one thing that I got delivered from the speaker is we look at the patients as a human.

So basically there's many talks that try to engage not just physio-wise, physiology things pathologies but we're looking more like nutrition there's also one wonderful talk from i think steven's about sleepings like how could you help patients sleep better which is really good and also i went to the the talks from tim about shoulder injury he also like how you know work with you know agency coach you know dietitians nutritionists and also ankle injury in netball and

i think it's a tim stevenson and thomas he also talked about you know he gave a he gave example of lovely case studies about the lady that got kind of like don't enough don't have enough sleep what the food they eat vitamin d how about the sons so kind of like this talk this year helped me to you know have a bigger picture of one people we don't look them as a you know, clients or just a patient, but we need to go like around the.

Or any like i would say factor that could be involved in one patient so we might not just look as a physio perspective or therapist perspective that why you not get better why you not get better do you do the exercises do you do this that or whatever how about your life let's talk this is i i find this most of the speaker this year they try to point out this which is really good and i find this and i feel like him as a therapist

not just a physio but every therapist that go there going to get something from this point and it's really helpful, for the treatment as well in the future that's cool good feedback if that was a message you got then i think that's quite good that's where healthcare supposed to be going and that's that's actually the idea of multidisciplinary because as soon as you look at the individual you realize that your profession and you personally might not be the best person for this

this particular individual which is where the idea of us walking together working

together and you might be better with that person or that person so patient-centered care sorry nikki you were going to say what are you going to say well on that note then i think it'll be really interesting to have more nutrition talks as well um but that would be another another idea um yeah last year so tricky last year we had at least two we had at least two nutritionists talking about microbiome we had talking about relationship we had disordered eating and all sorts of stuff yeah,

it's funny isn't it it's so tricky um well i'll make yeah the microbiome one i think i went to.

And the other thing i was going to say was the motix guy there was a motix um stan and one of the exhibitors and he's amazing because he's developed this way of record keeping where you you can have it open on your desk and then you can be treating the patients and it takes all of the notes for you in soap order and he's amazing yeah we're gonna have him on the show he was next to the sj theater yeah yeah he grabbed me he grabbed me and said mate come

and we've got to talked to you an australian or new zealand guy i think it was yeah yeah he's he's going to come on the show that sounded very exciting very interesting i don't think he's australian he's from um london this guy and he's uh i think he's a seek he has one of these things on his head.

I'll send you the information excellent yeah i know that's one of the best things for me of going to therapy experts i get to find new you know relevant people and be on the podcast to keep it all fresh so fantastic anybody else want to add something before we close up this is your chance to let celebrate particular talk or reader or a speaker or something you're good okay well there we go people just checking the people in the live lounge here uh gary says we get data on

professions registered in the sta theater i mean every talk, that happened in the STA theatre that I was hosting. I did kind of, well, not everyone, but I tried to start off seeing what professions were there. And there was a nice mixture. And I love seeing that because for me, patient-centred care is us all getting together. And I love the fact we've got people here tonight. And it hasn't been that different, the feedback.

We've got physios, we've got podiatrists, we've got sports therapists, sports master's therapists. It's all kind of been singing from the same hymn sheet, which is what it kind of should be if we really put the patient first. So Gary says, I will get all the delicate data in due course. We will say that probably in the podcast. We'll let people know in the follow-up. Indra says, I think it was more multidisciplinary than last year.

Defo more hands on stuff. And it does depend who you were hanging about with. As a soft tissue therapist, I normally feel intimidated by physios. But see, Emily Sweet, you're so intimidating. But it was less of that this year, I think. This is useful as well because, okay, people listen to the podcast, you can't see. But we've got physios here and they're not as intimidating as the word kind of encapsulates or kind of suggests.

They're actually just normal human beings most of them so that's helpful as well because we do all suffer from imposter syndrome and whatever professions we are we think the person up there whether it's a surgeon or something is better than us or knows this and we don't know it and at the end of the day we realize you can't know everything it's ridiculous just specialize in what you know and you're good at and refer out patient out to other people so that's good injury it's nice you've got

that sensation that you don't feel as threatened because that's that's a that can be a wall to climb getting over that particularly for soft tissue therapists gary benson says i wonder why more membership bodies don't attend it's a great place to showcase how we support our members this is true gary i'm sure we will talk about that further in our own reflection it would be great maybe as well matt to add in like i don't know a student prize and go to you know

universities that maybe have student physiotherapists or student sports therapists because i actually mentioned to my they were second years last year their final years this year and i missed one of their lectures last year when i came back they were like why are you not here on tuesday i was like oh is that therapy excellent they were asking what it was and i actually bumped into three of my final year students at Therapy Expo this year,

which is quite nice to see that they actually listened to me when I saw them.

But it was quite nice to see them because they're, output of or their aim of going to Therapy Expo was to chat to some exhibitors and go to some talks to try and come up with their dissertation topics for their thesis and look at the research that's coming out and what the new hot topics is and all of that sort of stuff which is really really beneficial so I think I'm going to try bringing them on a school trip next year and bring a group of them over which

would be really really nice but I was wondering while we were there how many student therapists are actually there whether it be physiotherapists or sports therapists because I didn't I don't know maybe they were there and we just don't notice but I feel like it would be really beneficial for them to be a part of this kind of multidisciplinary approach rather than feeling like a new grad that's just out in the wild if that makes sense like our Emily.

Recently graduated aren't you Emily yeah no I've been I've been graduating now for three years but it was my first time yeah coming to therapy but you're new at the Isla clinic we're working out now aren't you yeah yeah literally just my first week with her in the thing yeah which is fine right then we need to wrap this up people because i'm sure you've got better things to do gary says there is a student rate i believe but we will ask

that to the organizers when we catch up in a few weeks time it makes perfect sense it wouldn't be too hard to do with it within a .ac.uk account or whatever it is the equivalent in ireland but yeah that should be something we should think about definitely just to make it more accessible right who's gone black on me that is nikki has gone all screen black just you know nikki thank you people thank you so much it's really so nice to hear from different

professions but then realize it's all very similar as well which i think is how it's supposed to be i think that's the idea so thank you for giving up your time and thank everyone who joined us live if people are listening to the podcast and they want to follow you then let's just quickly go around the room once more and you tell me what the best way of people following you or getting contact with you is so natalie where's the best place to find you and follow you on social media?

I'm on Instagram. I think it's Clinical Massage London. Yeah, Clinical Massage London. Or I have a website, which is .com in the end as well. Fantastic. Great. Thank you very much. And Shannon, people want to like the sound of you? Yes, I've got Instagram. So it's Rebound Injury Clinic. And again, we have our website, which is www.reboundinjuryclinic.ie because we're in Ireland. Fantastic. We will put all these all in the show notes as well.

Danny, if people want to get in touch or follow you body health gatwick across the board across the board good business and steve people want to get in touch or follow you personally mobile muscle therapy is my business so that's on instagram and facebook and everything and i've just set up with a sports scientist and a bike technician which is this one fitlabtesting.co.uk and also fitlabtesting on insta fantastic brilliant we'll make sure those all

go into the notes and then emily if people are interested in keeping in touch with you where should they go can you hear me really. Emily can't hear me, but I will say, if you're interested in staying in contact with Emily Sweet, then you can follow her at eSweetPhysio. I'm on Instagram. And you've also got ISLA, so IslaCellPhysio.co.uk. You okay, Emily? Can you hear me? No, she's not good. And is that, no, Sharia. Sharia, what about you?

So I'm on Instagram at VPhysio, so V-E-E-Physio, and also in my clinic Instagram, NKPhysio.

So in for november and k for kangaroo and physio share my insta handle oh who was that who did i'm on actually i'm in podiatry oh sorry you're a black square nikki sorry before we do that nikki really yeah yeah you're just a bit black square i didn't realize you're still here sherman podiatry sherman podiatry.

For for nikki sherman on instagram and then you've also got facebook and linkedin wonderful next week people on tuesday december the 10th how is it december at the 10th already i don't know but we're going to be joined by christian bird and joe mcuhin who were the co-founders of menopause movement they actually opened up day one for us in the sta theater this year with power the pause the pelvic floor and more so it was an amazing great

way to open it they were standing in because michelle lyons sadly from celebrate movie everything couldn't be on but michelle recommended christian and joe and they just filled the floor as well it's a great topic obviously which everyone needs to know about so they're going to be with me next week and if you are listening to this podcast you'd like to join us live to ask questions directly to christian bird and joe mckeown and all you've got to do is go to

the sports association youtube channel or facebook eight o'clock and you can be in the live lounge and ask some questions directly until then thank you once again to everybody who joined me thank people who came in the live lounge and if you can please if you listen to the podcast do us a favor leave a rating leave a review just so it just pushes the results up in google and the good word of our guests in the free time that they spend sharing their experiences

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