Ep 33: The Politics of Narrative - Featuring Hakeem Jeffries

this last WNBA offseason. Ready for the answer to the question one, that's how many black women are head coaches in the WNBA. Now, that's a bizarre and to be honest, and embarrassing statistic for a league that is overrepresented with black women in terms of the players. But the league having just one black woman is far from a low, because as recently as twenty twenty there wasn't a single black woman serving as head coach in the league. But

this isn't a new issue for women's basketball. But just to carry over from what we've seen at.

league has been in existence. Now full disclosure, Doctor Richard Lapchack, the director of the Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport, is someone I have a deep respect for. We've worked closely together many times, and he is internationally respected as a civil rights leader. But the numbers from his institute don't quite tell the story and certainly not the full history.

New York Knicks. Fisher, who had never coached women before, finished with a fifty four to forty six record with the Sparks and infamously benched Candae Parker in a playoff Line Nation game, which ultimately became one of the reasons that Parker left the Sparks to play for the Chicago skuy Now some have questioned whether the hiring pool is deep enough and if the WNBA is in a position to attract solid WNBA coaches. But is it lack of

candidates and money or lack of intention? Now there's a good pool of former players to choose from, including LaToya Sanders, Breon January, and Christy Tolliver, all of whom are currently WNBA assistants and have served in the league as assistants for multiple years, with Tolliver also having coached at the NBA level. As for money, that's also about intention too.

The Phoenix Mercury hired Nate Tibbets in twenty twenty three and immediately made him the highest plaid coach in the WNBA with a reported salary of one point two million a year. Now, Tibbets was an NBA assistant for twelve years, but prior to the Mercury he never coached women's basketball. He came into the league making more money than Las Vegas Aces head coach Becky Hammond, who won back to back WNBA championships, played in the WNBA, and was an

NBA assistant under Greg Popovich. Now, this is no shade to Tibbets, but he's somewhat of an example of the built in sexism that women coaches face.

also fired Tanisha Wright after just three seasons. Now, there is understandable concern that now that there is more money in women's basketball and more substantive growth, the fear is that this will mean more opportunity for men and not for women. Before the NCAA included women's sports, more like they were forced to oversee women's sports because of a court order. Women's sports were governed by the assaul Llciation

for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women. Now, when women were governing women's sports, over ninety percent of women's teams were coached by women. By the early nineteen eighties, after the NCAA took over, that number had declined to fifty one percent, and today roughly sixty percent of women's sports at the.

should provide somewhat of a supply of coaching candidates. Now, the WNBA is writing a strong upward trajectory, and as the league grows, their standards shouldn't be to do things exactly as the men, it should be their goal to not only make money, but create a new standard of empowerment and opportunity for women, not just do the same things we've all read be seen before. I'm Jamel Hill, and I approve this message. Coming up next on politics, my guest on this episode is one of the most

powerful people in politics. He's in a top leadership position as the Democrats are facing an identity crisis and still feeling the effects of losing last year's presidential election. Now a lot of people have been asking Democrats what's the plan. On this episode, he'll answer some of those questions. And since this is a sports.

won the championship. I didn't remember it in nineteen seventy three, but when I was seven, I was following baseball at the time, was beginning to play Little League, and that was the time that the Yankees and the Dodgers were in the first of two back to back World Series appearances, and of course famously saw a Yankees fan watching the World Series. It's great. I remember being in the living room and the apartment that we lived in. My dad

was there, My grandfather, Papa Gomes was there. He lived in La so he was actually a Dodgers fan, and Game six, Reggie Jackson three home runs on three consecutive pitches. I think that's the date that we actually won the World Series. But that was of course a magical moment in baseball history and sports history, and certainly that's what got me hooked.

this week, the Knicks decided to fire Tom Thibodeau. What did you think about them making this move, doing this just three days after the Knicks were outsted from the Eastern Conference Finals.

Eastern Conference Finals, and it's a lovable team. So that was shocking for me certainly and for a lot of folks. The question I think moving forward is, you know, had the team maxed out under tips Is leadership? And clearly there were adjustments that needed to be made that weren't necessarily made. Right to start in five played more minutes than any other starting five in the entire season. That can't continue, and there was no development of the bench

during the season. You can't develop a bench in game four, Game five, or Game six of the Eastern Conference Finals. That's not going to work. So the question I think moving forward because what's done is done, and I think reasonable people could conclude that the Knicks did max out under Tips' leadership, notwithstanding you know the greatness of the run up until this point, in all the excitement, and you know that when the Knicks on fire, the is on fire and it was a great uh, it was

a great run. But I think the question here is is this our Mark Jackson moment, Steve Kerr moment, because the firing of Mark Jackson caught a lot of us by surprise. He had three successful years if I recall correctly. But the Warriors concluded that the team had maxed out and decided to go in a different direction, and they obviously found the right person who went on, you know, to lead the team to I think four different championships

as it relates to the Golden State Warriors. So hopefully we can just hit the jackpot in terms of whatever direction we go in next. And this current management has had a pretty successful track record in building the team up until this point, so.

Then we win Game two. That was incredible, and then the Celtics come to the guard and they win Game three, and then we do our thing in game four. Had it won even before Tatum went out, and certainly our prayers that would Tatum for a full and speedy recovery. But it was a great series, and then we smoked

the Celtics in Game six. At that point, I think for me, of course, a run to winning it all in the finals would have been ideal, but a competitive series, showing some heart going out, you know, in six is respectable. I think that's a very successful season. But Game one was rough. I was in Washington, had it on in

the backdrop. We were actually debating the GLP tax, and it was kind of late at night, early in the morning, preparing to speak on the house floor, and I couldn't believe that it was falling apart in the last few minutes and that was unfortunate. And that may have been the point where the next management concluded, Ya, it's time to move in a different direction.

that's right, Donald Trump, you were in the Epstein files. Okay, all right, So with this entire back and forth, given all the things that are happening in this country from the disaster's bill that you just mentioned, what is your perspective of this fight that is going on between Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

the sand. Largely interesting to me is that Elon Must's assessment of the GOP tax scam, what we believe is one big, ugly bill is correct when he calls it a disgusting abomination. It is now. Our view is that it's a disgusting abomination one because it takes healthcare away literally from more than fifteen million people. The largest cut to healthcare in American history. That's out of control. And then they're ripping food out of the mouths of children

and veterans and seniors. Largest cut to nutritional assistance in American history. That's ridiculous. And this is all being done in order to provide their billionaire donors with a massive tax break that would be the largest tax break for the wealthy, the well off, and the well connected in

American history. And then on top of that, they want our children, our grandchildren, the next generation of Americans to pay the bill because they would stick us with more than three trillion dollars in additional debt and explode the deficit. And so Elon Musk has said Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for voting for this bill. I agree with that position. Now, the fact that this is broken out into the public domain on social media in such an

extraordinary way. And now it's been personalized like this, I think has caught a lot of people off guard. I mean when I saw that Epstein tweet or post, I'm like, whoa, he just went tupac hit him up? I mean, he just went there and I rock with Biggie, right, but hit him up was like a next level in terms of just the personal assault. And that's basically what Elon has done. And once you cross that the rubicon, I'm not sure how the two of them come back from it.

And of course it continues to intensify throughout the day.

hook is coming with this administration? And so from a strategy standpoint, is this something that is useful for the Democrats seeing two of you know, to.

the things that you really should be concerned about in any given situation. I think this is different because the feud exploded onto social media based on Elon's criticism of the One Big Ugly Bill and his criticism of the Republicans for trying to jam this down the throats to the American people. Some of the reasons why he disagrees with the bill are reasons why we as Democrats disagree with the bill. The attack on the effort to try to build the clean energy economy. He obviously has a

problem with it. He's got business interests connected to that. We have a problem with it because we think standing up a clean energy economy actually will lower energy costs for everyday Americans. And we have to be focused on building an affordable economy, and that's part of the effort to do that. It also creates jobs in places all across the country, and it does something meaningful to address the climate crisis with the fierce urgency of now that's necessary.

So the fact that this few the genesis of it relates to Elon Musk's effort to try to kill the billings he said, we agree every single House Democrat was strongly opposed to the GOP tax scam. We're working hard to kill a bill as we speak. It limped out of the House of Representatives barely by one vote, and it doesn't have a clear path towards success in the Senate.

So it's interesting. I don't think this is a distraction because what they would be trying to distract you from, meaning Trump, is what they're trying to do and taking away healthcare, taking away nutritional assistance, hurting veterans, hurting everyday americans to reward their billionaire donors. They don't want us talking about that. But at the center of this fight, or at least how it began, was the criticism around the GOP tax scam and this reckless Republican budget.

you are expected to do something. And I'm looking at the approval rate that you all have, and I know you've seen the poll about what the Democratic Party's approval rating has been despite all the chaos, despite the fact that Trump's approval ratings are falling, the fight, the fact that people are losing a lot of whatever faith they had and that he could fix this economy.

this guy. And obviously, Kamala Harris and my view, did a tremendous job in the limited time that she had one hundred and seven day campaign, the best that she could under difficult circumstances after President Biden decided that he wasn't going to seek reelection, and those circumstances led to a situation where we lost to Donald Trump. We didn't get the House back, we felt just three seats short,

and then of course lost control of the Senate. So from the standpoint of Democrats in this country being disappointed with the party, that's understandable, and so what we have to do to earn back their trust. One is to demonstrate that we are functioning as a principled opposition to stop as many bad things from happening as we can and pushing back aggressively against the parade of horribles that

Donald Trump is unleashing on the American people. Because this is an un residented assault on the economy, and assault on healthcare and assault on social security, in assault on a democratic way of life, an assault on the rule of law, and an assault on democracy itself. So it does require us to engage in an all hands on deck effort. Now, I do think that what we have seen is some success in clarifying for the American people.

As you pointed out, Jamail, that Donald Trump promised he was going to fix the economy, address inflation and lower costs. In fact, he said he's going to lower costs on day one. Dude was lying to the American people. He's not lowering costs. Costs are going up. He's crashing the economy. These Trump tariffs are going to add thousands of dollars an additional expense to hardworking American taxpayers, and he's probably

driving us toward a recession. Despite the fact that the expectation was Donald Trump was going to be able to control the narrative. Republicans have complete control in Washington. He's got all these social media relationships and new media relationships, and Democrats would not be able to break through with any degree of clarity. Well, actually, Donald Trump was the most unpopular President at the one hundred day mark in modern American history. Somebody's paying attention to the things that

are being said. The American people are locking in on the fact that he's actually not making life better for them, He's making life worse. So we have to continue to be the principled opposition stopping bad things from happening, and I think pivot to articulating our vision for making life better for the American people that committed to building an affordable economy. We know the deck has been stacked against

everyday Americans for far too long. The system has been broken for decades, and we have to earn the confidence of the American people that were committed to fixing it, to improving their lives. And to be very clear to the American people that we hear you, we see you, we feel you, and we're committed to making life better for you.

get into some good trouble, necessary trouble. As he would tell us, he was principled in his opposition, but strong and throughout his life, particularly in the Jim Crow South. I mean Donald Trump was battling, I mean John Lewis was battling in authoritarian situation that existed racial oppression enforced by violence in parts of the Jim Crow South. And yet they were able to both balance that principled opposition with the righteous indignation and the ferocity that was necessary

to turn the situation around. And I think for us, that's what we have to do. We have to stretch.

We're in a more is more environment, meaning more rallies, more press conferences, more speeches on the House, most speeches on the Senate floor, all night committee hearings, making sure that we're having town hall meetings in democratic districts, town hall meetings in Republican districts, as we're doing, convening democratic led hearings on Capitol Hill, which we've done democratic led hearings across the country, and taking our efforts on the road,

which we're continuing to do, sit ins, and you know, a variety of things, site visits, more is more that's going to be necessary for us to continue to meet the moment.

be very successful. But you and I both know, especially in the time where social media is this prominent, American loves a good marketing campaign.

through disinformation to be honest and misinformation. But nevertheless, they're still able to control so much of the narrative. So, how now, with the election fresh behind you, just for just six months or so, how are you going to make that connection between the marketing, the Democratic successes, and what you're talking about better so that people really can

effectively see what you're doing. Like, what were the lessons learned from the election in terms of how you need to better connect with the American people.

a reason why Democrats sometimes default to fine print. It's because in order to govern, you actually have to master the fine print. And as Democrats, we care about governing because we care about the American people and we care

about getting things done. And when you look at the modern day Democratic Party, which really dates back to the presidency of FDR, and think about the things that we've worked hard to deliver to the American people's social security, rural electrification, the GI Bill, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of nineteen sixty five, the Higher Education Act, the Elementary and Secondary School Act, Medicare, Medicaid, head Start,

the Affordable Care Act, the American Rescue Plan, the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, the Pact Act, and standing up for our veterans. And then, of course the Inflation Reduction Act, which helped to lower the high price of life saving prescription drugs, amongst doing other things, including the largest investment in combating the climate crisis in the history of the world. All of these things were brought to you by your

friendly neighborhood Democratic Party. That's an amazing track record of success. Of course, much more needs to be done on behalf of the American people, particularly in terms of building an affordable economy and addressing the inflationary crisis that we are dealing with in this country. But that's a great track record of success to build upon. You don't produce all of those things unless you have committed to mastering the

fine print of governing. But the challenge for us is that while you govern in fine print, you message, you persuade, you communicate and headlines, particularly in the era of social media and new media, and we just have to do a better job of making sure that we do what we need to do in the communications lane so that the American people actually give us the opportunity in the governing lane to build upon the progress that we've tried to make for everyday Americans over the last seventy five

eighty plus years.

to lower housing costs, lower grocery costs, lower energy costs, lower childcare costs, and lower insurance costs, and that we do actually believe with every fiber in our body that in the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, no one should be living

paycheck to paycheck. No one should be struggling when they work hard and play by the rules, but yet can't find a good paying job, or purchase a home, or live a comfortable life, or have access to healthcare, go on vacation every now and then, or be able to retire with grace and dignity. Everybody should have that opportunity

in the country, but everybody does not. And I think that we have to do a better job of connecting how we actually feel with making sure that the American people feel us in terms of our commitment to making their lives better. So that. You know, we just need

to do better in that area. And I think the other thing we've got to do is convince a greater number of Americans that we actually are fighting for them, because there's no circumstance where the Republican Party under Donald Trump, who is all about the wealthy, the well off, and the well connected. I mean, if you just looked at the inauguration, who was there. It wasn't everyday Americans, it wasn't working class Americans. It was the billionaire boys Club.

It was a super villain convention, and it was wild. And this is who he chose to surround himself with because this is who he's fighting for. But yet Donald Trump has somehow managed to convince a significant number of Americans, or at least he did in connection with the election. As you pointed out to Mail, he's falling apart right now in terms of the perception that the American people have as it relates to his ability to actually deal

with the economy. He lied not focused on lowering costs, but he did managed to convince a significant number of people that he would do that in connection with the election.

So we have to do a better job there now in terms of the concern that Democrats on Capitol Hill and the House and the Senate aren't fighting and pushing back against Donald Trump and the administration aggressively, I think no, every single House Democrat and every single Senate Democrat is working hard to do the best that they can to aggressively push back at what we all believe is an

unprecedented situation. And that's why I've acknowledged that all of us are going to continue to be called upon to do more, to engage with a level of intensity previously unseen at any time in a Congress in modern American history. And it requires extraordinary things to be done, including but not limited to what you know, our brother Corey Booker did when he delivered that historical speech on the floor of the Senate. They're trying to cancel our history, he canceled strom Therman.

most frustrated. I don't think people doubt the effort. I think at this point people want to know what are the Democrats actually willing to do? And I say that because we see Trump define court orders, we see him like we're wondering. People are wondering, like, yes, you can fight this battle through the courts, but if he don't

care what they say, where does that leave you. So this, I think this idea that you all aren't doing enough is coming from the fact that we don't know what the next level of accountability actually looks like.

the MAGA extremists next year in the midterm elections. That's not to say they aren't important elections that are already taking place. Every single special election that's been a high profile race since the Trump presidency, Democrats have won, including but not limited to the race in Wisconsin for the state Supreme Court seat that was expected to be hotly contested.

Elon Musk spent twenty to twenty five million dollars trying to elect the conservative candidate the progressive candidate one by eleven points. But that's not the only high profile our special election that we've won. We've won others, and you'll have governors races that will be important in New Jersey

and in Virginia in November. Now, that's not to say that we can't use the levels of authority and capacity that we have as members of Congress, even if the Republicans continue to be sick offense, and we continue to do that as it relates to our engagement and committees, our engagement on the House floor, our engagement across the country.

Republicans refuse to have town hall meetings, and so we decided, you know what, We're going to have town hall meetings in your districts to engage with your constituents, to tell them what you are trying to hide, particularly as it relates to ripping healthcare and Medicaid from tens of millions of Americans, closing hospitals, shutting down nursing homes, and creating a situation where people are actually going to die because healthcare is being ripped away from them, and care in

terms of these institutions is being ripped away from them. So I think again we're in a more is more environment. We just have to continue to do more. Now on the court side of things, right, it is important to recognize we got three branches of government. We all learn that in social studies as we have come up, and you've got the legislative branch, you've got the executive branch,

and you've got the judicial branch. And we have seen an unprecedented number of lawsuits that have filed last time I checked, Because we work closely with a variety of different groups, civil rights groups, democracy protection groups, organized labor,

civil liberties groups, democratic attorney generals. More than two hundred and fifty lawsuits have been filed against the Trump administration and the unconstitutional and unlawful executive orders, and I believe it's more than one hundred and eighty five different court orders have been issued halting these executive actions and orders. Now it has been the case literally in a handful

of instances. All that just happened to relate to the immigration space where Donald Trump is pushing the envelope aggressively as it relates to defiance, and in those cases handful of cases, every single one of them in the immigration space related to deportations or potential deportations, where our view is that the courts need to be more aggressive in a its authority if they've concluded that the Trump administration is not complying with a court directive, and what they

have available to them is both civil contempt they can find the heck out of whoever is not complying or criminal contempt, and I think the courts have generally been reluctant to use those tools against a sitting administration, but extraordinary times called for extraordinary measures, And if we see non compliance continue in different ways, then I think the

courts are going to have to get more aggressive. But it's important for all your people to understand that in the overwhelming majority of cases, Donald Trump ain't winning, he's losing, and he's been forced to back down repeatedly.

on their back. You mentioned before about how really ultimately, when it comes to the congressional accountability, it's going to require Republicans who know better and theoretically should do better to have us fine, which is something they haven't shown. So I'm wondering from you, what do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly.

primary them and they will lose. And of course they point to the Liz Cheney situation where she actually demonstrated some principle and voted to impeach Donald Trump talked about his lack in her view of patriotism and the danger that he represented to democracy, and Liz Cheney at one point was the number three Republican in the House of Representatives, the daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, and it didn't matter because she spoke out against them. Donald Trump targeted

her electorally primary her and she lost. And the same thing happened to Adam Kinzinger, of course, particularly when those two decided to participate in the January sixth Commission, which exposed a lot of what took place in that violent assault on the Capitol. So I think many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been

part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents, and there's life after Congress, and you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because

you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy, or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it, will be with them forever. Unless just a handful of Republicans, all we need is four on the House side or four on the Senate side to do the right thing. They're two hundred and twenty Republicans in the House, we just need four.

That's less than two percent. And if less than two percent of the Republicans in the House actually decide to do the right thing, we can stop a lot of the foolishness, the malignant foolishness, from taking place. And so over these next eighteen months, we just continue to work on that every day, every week, every month, privately, publicly. What are colleagues on the other side of the eut Uh?

real specific, trans women in sports. You know, you saw the ads that you know, one campaign of Kamala Harris is for they them, not not you. And what was never said and I never saw any Democrats in a very you know, sort of a very bold or very aggressive way is say that policy where prisoners are able to get gender affirming care existed under Donald Trump, the first time it's been existing for quite a long time. It's a court order, so legally you are following the

law by allowing gender affirming care. And they use that ad and you know another case in California where's a trans woman competing in volleyball. Nevertheless, it feels as if, rather than address this issue, that Democrats have chosen to shrink from it.

that has been addressed. How do you plan to strategize against these attacks using a very vulnerable group of people in a way where you don't abandon them and they still feel like there is room under your take for them, but also in a way that the American public can get behind.

a nationwide band and I think our explanation. We voted against the Republican bill in overwhelming numbers, and we were very clear that their effort actually was going to unleash bad behavior on girls in sports all across America. In fact, we framed their bill Child Predator Empowerment Act because they were calling for inspections of Genitalia in a circumstance where

we know abuses have taken place. Abuses have taken place in football, abuses have taken place in gymnastics, abuses have taken place in wrestling, and instead of responsibly trying to deal with the issues of competition in sports and how do we work through that in a community based way that of course promotes the values of fairness, competitiveness, and participation. They want to just weaponize the issue politically and so legislatively. They tried to jam us up, and we didn't run

away from the issue. We exposed their hypocrisy, and they're politicizing the issue in ways that would actually hurt the young girls that they were purporting to want to help. Now, I think my view at least is that these issues should be resolved locally, at the local level, with maximum

parental involvement and maximum community involvement. And I think when it comes to the what happened on the campaign trail, you're absolutely right in terms of the policy that was used against Vice President Harris was a policy that had also been carried out by Donald Trump and the Trump

Justice Department connection with the court order. And I think that if the campaign had it to do over again, I presume, given the outcome, it would have been a more forceful response to that add and the weaponization of the issue against Kamala Harris. I can tell you that moving forward, we will never allow Republicans to mischaracterize our views on the issue, and we will never allow them to run ads against our candidates that aren't forcefully responded to immediately, and often before.

of mental decline? What was your view as someone who had to work closely with the president?

Joint Addressed to Congress. In that instance, it was actually a State of the Union speaking of tens of millions of Americans, and as you may recall, he came out like smoking Joe Frazier and was getting at Republicans who in real time people like Marjorie Taylor Green and Lauren Bobot and others were trying to distract him and thw them off his game and what was a hostile work environment.

Now at the same period of time, it's clear that Joe Biden, who did acknowledge this, was slowing down as he was getting older, and he made the right decision in terms of not seeking reelection.

And so my view is the best thing we can do at this moment, as opposed to looking backward, is to look forward and create a situation where something like that never happens again, where we have an opportunity to make sure that decisions are made about whether someone's going to run or not, that we have next generation Democrats, which I believe will be the case in the context of both the candidates that we feel to take back

the House in twenty twenty six. But perhaps most importantly, I think a competitive field of candidates who are going to step forward in January or the early part of twenty twenty seven to raise their hand and run for president, and they'll be governors, and they'll be senators and maybe some members of the House of Representatives and maybe former

cabinet secretaries. But I believe each and every one of them are going to be next generation Democrats, the type of candidate that can potentially emerge from a field of great candidates and then excite the country in the way that Barack Obama or Bill Clinton, or even Jimmy Carter in the nineteen seventy six election, or certainly John F. Kennedy when he ran in nineteen sixty excited the country.

was killing it in the nineteen eighties. And then you know, toward the end of the nineteen eighties, of course you had NWA emerge and Straight out of Compton was a big hit. But then Ice QB emerges when he breaks from NWA, and then Doctor Dre and Snoop and deth Row dropped the chronic and that's one of the greatest records of all time. And gangster rap was emerging in a way that was capturing large parts of the country.

And so the question was, you know, is is the I mean, is the East Coast ever going to be able to come back right from being knocked down by the rise of Doctor Dre and Snoop ice Cube right, and all these artists are on fire the Dog Pound, and a lot of people credit Biggie Smalls Ready to Die nineteen ninety four though you also have to give credit to Wu Tang, You have to give credit to

Nas when you drop Illmatic, the Fujis and others. There was a new generation hip hop artist that was emerging, you know, in ninety three, but that really culminated with Ready to Die in September ninety four, and then of course Biggie just capturing the country by storm King of New York. But I think he's given that title in part because a lot of people view him, amongst others, but first amongst equals in bringing the East back. And

I think even jay Z would acknowledge that. Now, we never got to see what Biggie would become in terms of his body of work. We did get to see what jay Z would become, and it's been amazing, both his legendary hip hop career and then of course his legendary career as an entrepreneur. I'm not a business man. I'm a business man. Let me go handle my business. Damn. I mean, jay Z said it, he forecasted it, and then he went out and did it right. So you got to you gotta respect that.

just nationally what that is. But I am super curious as to how, you know, moving forward, this party is able to pick itself off the ground after obviously going through a very very tough period.

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