"It's Just a Sandwich, Damn it" (w/Bradley from the Internal Game)

Welcome to a brand new, amazing episode of Spiritual Asshole. I am joined by Bradley from the, he's a coach and the host of the popular YouTube channel, the Internal Game. Bradley, how are you doing? I'm doing good man. How about yourself? So well, man. So your channel is called The Internal Game.

What a channel called the External Game be about Botox. Is that fair? Yeah, probably so, man. Probably so. Yeah. I love your vibe. You're a big Neville Godde person, and you said that your entire mission is to get people to remember who they are. But what if you're an asshole? Aren't you just reminding people that they are a tremendous asshole?

Yeah, man. Hey, , nothing better. There's a sand by Ecker Toll, like, I actually probably favor Eckhart a little bit more. He says what you. What you react to and resist in another is, is also strongly in you. Mm-hmm. So if you're reacting to somebody's assholeness, then yeah, it exists in you for sure.

That's great. So what do you think it is that we are remembering? What are you trying to get people to? [00:01:00] Like remember that they're not their mind. Hmm. Like they're not this little identification with like thought form. Right, and I totally agree with you. Like I, I think that that is pretty much our only jobs as humans, but it's so easy to forget.

What do you think is like tripping most people up to that they, they don't remember that? Oh, probably they don't really know. But in the sense of like, maybe not. Came across some stuff. I guess one would have to come across stuff. I guess suffering enough would probably lead somebody into giving up, but it's hard to give up the little on me, man.

It's all, you know. Mm. You know what I mean? Like, it's, why, why give that up whenever it's, if it's all, you know? Right. So that's what, that's what I've been thinking too. It's like if you don't, if you could talk to somebody about inner peace for forever, but if you've never experienced it, it doesn't even feel like it's real.

Right. I. Yeah. And even when you do know, [00:02:00] like even if you have like an understanding that, that you're not in your mind, like it's still hard to give up. Like, it, it, it, it's, people get payoffs by being assholes. Right. And, and I don't mean that in a, in a, in a funny way, but I mean like people get payoffs by keeping their victim stories.

Right. So can you talk a little bit about your story? 'cause I was just watching your videos today. It's great. Your story about being a musician, like, how'd you get here? Oh man. Lots of pain. Probably if I had to explain it, but I went to alcohol. Yeah. Lots of, lots of alcohol. So I I guess long story short, I ended up, I guess like anybody else, I had a, I guess a dream of being a musician, but I think my dream was more so I liked being liked.

I liked, I liked the attention that I got when people like, oh, your, your songs are cool. So when it came time to, to like, when high school was up, I was like, I'm gonna go find something in music. So I moved to Feedings, Arizona for recording school. Out there. I think I realized, holy shit, what am I doing?

Like I don't even know if I like this. And I started drinking pretty heavily and I never stopped drinking. And [00:03:00] then after probably what, three, four rehab stays, bunch of detoxes, a couple hospital stays like, yeah, I decided to stop drinking. And but like. When someone just stops drinking, like, at least in my experience again, giving it up, like it was all I knew for a long, long time.

So giving that up, I, I feel like I had to replace it with something else. And like some kind of meaning. Yeah. And then like, it started my, and then went through some breakups and I started my search for stuff on Neville, Godard, Necker Toll, all those, all those cool people. And, then I realized that nothing had any meaning at all, and it actually kinda helped me.

So, so, yeah. Yeah. So I was like, now you're trying to find meaning it doesn't even matter. So think that's, I love it because you're big about, I, I loved your video about would you say the new story is the real story? What, what was the new story? Is the true story. Yes. The new story is the true story. So obviously you're living that out right now.

If you at one point had, you know, drinking problem or whatever you want to call it, and you're here now. I [00:04:00] think it's so important for people to realize they can always start over. So what do you think about that guy that had that drinking problem now? Do you think about him now or do you feel like that's just gone?

Oh, I think about, I mean, I see him all the time. I do a lot of sessions. I, I, I even have a school community now. We do group, you know, group sessions. And I'm not saying people in their alcoholics, but I'm saying like, I do see fear. Yeah. And if, if I had, if, if that's all my life was riddled with back then was fear, I just didn't know how to handle it.

So I drank. Mm. But but I mean, just 'cause somebody doesn't drink, doesn't mean they don't chase a relationship. Doesn't mean they don't chase something trying to cover it up, but yeah, it's mainly just fear. Yeah. But as far as thinking about 'em, I see myself all the time. Mm. So how are you able, but you're obviously embodying, you're doing well, you're embodying like a whole new person.

So how did you get there? By really being ready to give up the old one. Yeah. So what does that look like? Because I think that that's. I think that's probably one of the biggest stumbling blocks for all of us with change is being able to let go of that idea of [00:05:00] ourselves. Right? Most definitely, man and like Ecker totally talked about like in the power of now. He said, if peace is what you want, you would choose peace. But like, if you look closely, you know, your pain is so intrinsically intertwined with how you see yourself. So to give up the pain would be to give up how you see yourself and who and who are you without that.

And I never really got that until I, until I realized, I kept saying over and over again, I just wanna be happy. I just wanna be peaceful. But that's not really what I wanted. Like, I didn't find myself in any of those scenarios. And when I did, I, I would sabotage it. So like, that's not really what I wanted.

Like, I mean. Romantically of an idea as it is. Yeah. But like from identity and this like pain identity. Yeah, of course. I wanted more chaos. And then I, I started reading people like Alan Watts. Like, I like to have fun. That's why I wanted to do this podcast. Like, I love joking. I, I watch standup all the time.

It's like one of my favorite things to do is laugh. I think it's extremely important. And Alan Watts was like one of those guys who I listened to and he said, man suffers 'cause he takes seriously what God made for fun. And that's kinda why I made the, the channel, the internal game. But, you can only really have.

Cool to think about it [00:06:00] though. A lot of, a lot of comedy is a lot of pain made fun. Yeah. And it's yeah. So what did you actually do to become this new person? What, what steps did you take? Are you big on techniques? Like what, how'd you get there? Mainly, I think just make it, just realizing how pathetic that I had been being and like, honestly, like I remember I was trying to manifest my wife, my wife back at one point.

I was just like in a scared state. I remember like walking downtown, like trying not to run into her, but also like looking for her. Right? Totally. I was like, yeah. I was like in a hoodie and it was like hot as fuck and I was like, man, what the. What am I? And the funny part is like, it was a hoodie that this person would've known that I have, like I have like two hoodies in South Florida, right?

So it was like no one else was wearing one. I'm wearing one. So like, and I finally got back to where I was staying and I was like, dude, what are you doing, dude? Like, and I think I just kind of looked at it objectively instead of like being identified with it and being like, dude, this is. This is crazy.

Like you, you are, you are [00:07:00] literally, you are literally insane right now. Like, yeah. And so I think I, I, I read the time now again, which I've read before, but it just didn't really make sense. I think I was scared of it and I think I just started observing my thought patterns and realizing that like, that's pretty much all it was.

Mm. And yeah, but that's pretty much it. Yeah. You talked about kind of reaching a tipping point though in that video where you started coaching. It was going, you're posting almost a video a week or something you said, or a day, and then nothing was happening, and then you finally like just decided that, wait a minute, I'm really good at this.

This is happening. What was that tipping point, that embodied tipping point that you talk about? I. Well, 'cause I believe in law. I believe that like, you know, if you're being something, you're gonna see it. But like, I think I initially I don't wanna say didn't believe in self. I mean, I guess you could say that, but I've been making the videos trying to get better on camera.

It was always seemed like this thing. I was like right outta reach, like, I'm gonna get better on camera. I'm gonna get better at teaching this. I'm gonna get better at this. And then when I was like, dude, this is the law says that like, I'm gonna have to continue to get better then. Correct. So [00:08:00] like if I'm staying in the state, so I was like, you know what, then I'm gonna, I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna do it now.

And I, I, I think I just didn't know if I wanted to do like the YouTube videos a lot. I liked it, but I didn't know if it was something I actually wanted to do. And then once I decided that, I was like, you know what? Let's do it. And I think it was in a matter of like three days if that, like I went from like 800 subscribers that took like nine months until like in a day and a half.

It was like double that. So what you did, 'cause you, you talk about a lot in that video is you basically just decided, I am this now. Right? You said that. I went from, this is really important, living in a hopeful state or a wishful state. And I think a lot of us do that. We are wishing, we are hoping, and, and specifically we are waiting.

So how do we stop doing that and bring it to us? That feeling now you, you just made a decision. Yeah, I think a decision is extremely important, but also think about recognizing the illusion too, that like there is no other time than now. And so if, if you are saying, when I get this, this is like where [00:09:00] Ecker talks about identity and ego and stuff, but when I get this, I'm gonna be okay.

Like when I'm finally better at ca the on on camera things will, things will work out. We're not finally like, and you're, you're keeping this in a, in a state where it's just not there. Mm-hmm. So I think recognizing the illusion of like. There's nothing to figure out. Like, and, and, and dropping those stories of like, I'm going to be okay when, like, if you, if you can get out of a story as to why you're not perfect and get out of a story as to why you're not it, and get outta a story as to why you're not happy, then you're automatically left with these things.

Like you're just, you're just telling a story that they're not here. Yeah. Like, so, so when you're, and then you're experiencing that, so when you stop telling the story, it's, it's, it's a natural byproduct of that. So I didn't do anything different. I still made the videos, bro. I just. Stop the story. Do you think that also another one is someday?

'cause I'm like scanning myself. What I say sometimes someday this is gonna happen. Like in your coaching, what do you find most with your clients that's kind of tripping them up, being scared to. Because they, they all want something they wanna manifest [00:10:00] mainly, mainly person. Right. Which I get. I understand that.

Yeah. And, and at the same time, nothing really reflects us back quite like our romantic interest that them and family. So it's like a real strong pool. Yeah. But like I. I see the, the being fearful of letting go of the idea of manifesting it and kind of just living their life. Because when you think about it, like that's what happened with me and then everything changed.

I said, I'm actually don't wanna manifest anything anymore. Like this is tiresome. Like I'm in a state of, of being pathetic, literally like trying to do these things and trying that I don't have these things. When I finally just dropped it and started to live my life, then I got all those things. So like.

They're scared of actually living their, living their life because they think if I take my attention off of trying to manifest this person, I'm not gonna get this person or, or this money, or whatever the case may be. So like to, but no, when you're actually, when you think about Neville Godder living in the end, or like Jesus saying when you pray, believe you have received it, and you shall be yours.

Like nothing says instate, like not worrying and just living your life, like that's what you'd be doing. Mm. Like, you know, that's what exactly what you'd be doing. Right. You wouldn't be chasing. Yeah. I think there's a real [00:11:00] danger, and this is something that I experienced in this world of like keep thinking, and you kind of talked about this in one of your videos.

Keep thinking that the next video is gonna help you finally figure it out, or the next talk that you watch or the next book you read and then you'll get it. But there's never, again, there's not gonna be. You not, you can't embody it if you're always like, okay, I'm almost there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It becomes a state of being your own, and it also becomes like an addiction, dude.

Like I, I was addicted to watching a manifestation video, and then I'd be like, oh, got it now. That was that, that was that final piece. Got it. Boom, good. And then a few hours go by, maybe, you know, maybe even 20 minutes, but mainly, probably a few hours go by. I'm like, I gotta watch another video. Like, because you're using that as your, as your, kinda like your drug, your, your, your safety blanket. A hundred percent. So, so did you, like, do you think that that belief in yourself, that ability just to live and let go and embody the state, is that something you can practice, that you [00:12:00] can work on? Or does it just happen? Like how did it happen for you?

Well, me, I think I just got tired of like the actual pain of putting my, of the, that was putting myself through. But I do think when I, you know, I talk to people all the time that maybe aren't at. Maybe those perceived levels of pain. But I do think that when they start to observe their mind and, and like not identify what the thought patterns like they have been, then you're na like, once you're outta that pattern, you're naturally going to get access to different thought, like to different thoughts, to, to different perceptions.

And then of course things make sense. But but again, it's about actually doing it because again, most people are, are, are scared. Mm-hmm. And they don't really realize though that, that they're staying in the story as much as they're staying in it. And it's scary to, to leave the, the pattern, but like that's all that it is.

And I think that if somebody is actually like, Hey, this is, if there's some, if there's some type of, how about this? If I'm watching manifestation content, if I'm watching Neville, God read Ecker to all these things, why am I not trying it? At least? Yeah. Like, why am I not, [00:13:00] like, why am I not going all the fuck?

Like all the way in. But there's obviously something that's pulling you to this like, that you think is true. I remember Ecker talking about that in the power of now he was like, I'm not telling you something that deep down you don't already know. You just a hundred percent. And like I remember reading that and being like, I think he's right, dude.

Like I, I was like, I think that he's right, but like, I don't want to give up this, this idea of money and, and, and the woman and all that stuff. And that was just an illusion that we wasn't giving up those things. But like the idea of presence, it was like, oh shit. Yeah. Like what am I, I need to be thinking, I, I mean I, so I get where everyone's coming from, but I think it is just about, you know, a decision and actually sticking to it and saying like, just being logical with the logic that we talk about is like, dude, if I keep doing these same things, like I'm probably just gonna keep seeing these same things.

So I have, I really have nothing to lose to, to fucking do it. Yeah. And I'm wondering now, thinking about it, do you think it's just like to the people who are like, I can't let go. Like, I need to be doing videos and all these techniques because. The mind is almost conditioned to be [00:14:00] like, it has to go somewhere.

Does that make sense to you? You know what I mean? Like I, I, I, I'm not just okay now, like, 'cause it's in such, sometimes we're in such survival states, it's like, no, I have to want something. I have to put my attention on something. And you made a video about like not wanting something. It's, it's already here.

So what do you think about that idea? Well, because like, first of all, identity or ego, whatever you wanna call it, like mind identification, it can only survive with a past that it has, its, its made its identity out of and a future that like, once I get that, it's gonna be better. Right? So as long as you're buying into those ideas because you're in, you're operating in identity and I guess ego of mind is then Yeah.

It doesn't matter what you get. Like I tell people that want to manifest their specific person. I'm like, guys, like that's the easy part. Right now, getting them is the easy part. When they're in your, like when they're in your home and you guys are living together and, and they leave a fucking plate on the counter and you're like, dude, I asked you about that the other day.

Like, and you start putting your plate up and then, then they do it again, and you're like, and then you [00:15:00] start looking at them like they're, that they don't listen to you or they don't care about what you say or what. And that's the, that's the challenging part too. Like, that's like get getting people the easy part.

So. And then you'll see that people get these people and they're like, yeah, but he's still annoying or she's still annoying. And it's like, yeah, because it was never them, it was never them. It was always this, it was always this idea of when I get him, I'm gonna be happy. And then once you got him, you were like, after that kind of initial phase kind of slides down, you're back to, you're back to how you see so.

You're back to, to irritability, you're back to like, oh, it must be something else. Oh, I need this person to be doing something else. Or you know, wanting a house on the beach. Oh, I got the house on the beach couple months later. Yeah. But a lot of sand hits the roof, man. It's kind of like, it, it, it's just constant seeking.

Right. So how do you live now and how do we, like what is a place to live that's not constant? Constantly seeking, just enjoying the moment, being fully present. Yeah, obviously being aware of, of thought pattern and, and pulling it back, but like something that helps me tremendously. Dude, I know it sounds a little [00:16:00] dark, but like what if today was it?

Seriously. What if it was, I'm not saying that, like, don't walk around assuming that today is the last day. That's not what you wanna be doing, but like, but, but what if it was like, would, would you be trying to manifest, would you be trying to affirm your way to, into something? Would you be super regretful and be like, damn, no, you'd probably be really like, really engulfed in life for the day.

Mm. And I, I think that, like, even that, that thought alone kind of sobers me up in the sense of like, how do I wanna live my day? Because yeah, dude, that's it. When this whole thing is over, if you're, you know, if you're, I guess, lucky enough to, I guess, know that the time's coming soon you're, you're not gonna be wanting to do all, like, you're not gonna look back and think that you wished you had tried manifesting more wishing.

You took it, like took it all in while it was here and, and we have that. And the crazy part about it's when you do that, you are in the moment, you are like naturally grateful and then those things that you want [00:17:00] anyway are gonna, are, are gonna come to you. Yeah. Like it's kinda like when Jesus said like, seek first the kingdom of heaven.

Right. And all shall be added onto you. He doesn't say anything about change your subconscious programming. He doesn't say anything about Affirm for 28 days and it shall be yours. Like, he doesn't say anything like that. He just says you have seek first. Hmm. I love that dude. So you're a big believer in this, and I've heard a lot of people say this as well.

I, I agree. Imagination is the only reality. So when you meet someone who's a politician, are you like, yo, your imagination sucks. No, no, no, no, no. I actually, I actually love the politician when I've, I've made a couple jokes about that before myself a couple years ago. I remember, this guy who had, it was more a couple years ago, but after I found out what I found out like about this kind of law stuff and like, we see people what, and like our shadow from like Carl YI like all this projection and stuff and made me think about some of the politicians that were so anti-gay.

Yeah. And then you're like, and then it's just like, like, so now when I see that, I'm like, dude, just, it's a matter of time. They're [00:18:00] definitely, it's a matter of time sucking a dude off in an airport bathroom. A hundred a matter of time, a hundred, a point, a hundred percent every time. But I think of like more politics, more so just kind of the state of, of the like the collective unconscious.

Mm. More so really, I agree with that, but yeah. So what is your internal monologue like then these days? Like what do you, what do you say? Do you like what's, yeah, what's your internal state like, man, I. I aim, I guess if that's the word, like I just try to be more non-reactive. That's like the main thing because I, the, the manifesting stuff is just a natural byproduct of you.

So like you can just say things and they'll, they'll, they'll start to take shape. But it's mainly about being non-reactive and, and for me and trying to see myself in everybody. If I can do that, then I'm probably gonna be non-reactive anyway. Hmm. Like, but yeah, I think for me it's more of like a self-mastery thing [00:19:00] instead of a like what I want to get today.

Right? More of like, Hey, like, like what, what can I, because if I take care of that, the self-mastery stuff and manage my emotions, let 'em pass, let 'em go through. Like all that stuff's gonna work out anyway, so like just gonna match me. But I guess a typical day is, is, yeah, I really like intend every day on being like, more so non-reactive and grateful to taking the day in.

Like even talking to you is fun, right? Like, you know, and while we're doing it, we're doing it. Then after this I have a session at three, and then I have a Mo HAI class and, and things that I that I do that are just fun. That's great. And then when challenges come, I handle the challenge. And, and, but yeah, mainly I don't really try to set too much, I guess, goal for it.

I just try to be non-reactive and not believe a bunch of bullshit. Speaking of bullshit. Yeah. Speaking of bullshit, oh, sorry. What were we gonna say? That would all say that's it mainly. Yeah. Speaking of bullshit, your emotions. Yeah, and I feel like, so I had a really huge, I will talk, I haven't talked about it yet, but I had like kind of [00:20:00] a ego death a week ago on a level that's insane, but I'll talk about it at some point.

Oh, cool. Dude. Nuts. But one of the things that I came away from that, and I've heard people say this a lot, but I've never really believed it, but now I do is like. Human beings are the only species that makes meaning out of things, and the meaning is also the cause of all the suffering. So all of it. So like, yeah.

Can you talk a little bit about emotions, meaning identifying with them? You just kind of, you kind of talked about it a little bit, but Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. That's cool. I, I, I would agree with that because I say things like, it is just a thought. Like, it's just a thought. Good. Not to turn it into an affirmation, I guess, but like, but realizing that it's just a thought coming from identity, right?

So it's very limited on how it's perceiving it. Like, so we can only perceive things based on how we see self or our identity, our state kind of thing. And so like when you start to realize that a thought is just a thought, it actually means nothing. It means absolutely like nothing. When you create [00:21:00] meaning coming from the state, like coming from the identity, like, and then you start to entertain that.

Now you're scared. But really it's just, it's just a thought. Like

if you're, if you're in a fearful place and you're a person, let's just say I do a lot of specific people stuff, but like, if that person doesn't text 'em and they're fearful, they're, they're not perceiving that as like telling this awesome new story. No, they're not like in the fear state, not happening.

They're gonna be like, oh, are they with somebody? Are they da da? Like, are they, are they, why they ignore me? They didn't do that yesterday. Yeah. You start to, a lot of hyper focus on this. So like the, the meanings coming from the state. If you get a, so ideally for me when it comes to emotions, I'd like to check in with that.

My dude is now, is now the time to perceive. It's now the, it is now the time to add some meaning to something and what that means because like, I'm kind of fucking hungry right now, and I, and I'm a little irritable right now. Like, do I need to, do I need to be like, oh, is this why this happened? No, probably not.

Yeah. And emotions, they're just, they also come and go. They're also just emotions. They don't really mean anything either. And so to not identify with them is to not make a, a story out of 'em. It's [00:22:00] like to kind of let them just. Be what they are and, and, and, and feel it and let it go. Same thing with thoughts like you don't have to, or a circumstance, you don't have to make a story about everything and you are right.

Like animals do not do that. Right? Humans are the only people who do that. Like my dogs, they, they get into it a lot actually out there like probably once a week and they're like, yeah. The, that's it. Once it's over with, it's over with. Like, they don't, they don't like beef the rest of the day. They don't go online and tell everyone about it.

Yeah, yeah. They, yeah. Make identities out of it. Like, they're not coming up to me and be like, dude, he's gotta go, dude, Rob, or I'm walking. They don't care. Like it's over. And, and then they, they shake it out and it's done. And so I think that that's why like non-reactivity is a big deal because like there, after it's done, it's done.

You can even revise it and say if something happened differently and, and it did. So, so it's, it's, it's highly irrelevant almost everything. Yeah. So what do, yeah. So what do you do if, let's say you, you do have a goal or a desire, and you think about that desire, and then the doubts start coming in and try to tell you like the how is a big thing.

I think that trips [00:23:00] people up. Well, how is that gonna happen? How is what I tell myself? That's just a thought. Oh, you do? Yeah. So the doubt you just say like, that's just a thought. Well, it, it holds no, it holds no weight. Like, it only holds weight if I, if I start to entertain it, like. Once I say it's important, it's important now, like it, once I say, oh my God, this might be true.

Like now. Now, yeah. Now those thoughts are common like that, and you're, you're starting to mess with your, your state and your emotional state, and then you're gonna buy into it. And so like, but if you can just catch it while it comes and say, actually, you know what, for instance, I was at a, a, a, a movie with my wife a couple months back and I've been barely stable, right?

And we're watching a movie and something happened. I couldn't even tell you what it was on the screen, but I was like. And I started thinking about something that, that like may have happened when we split up and I was like, huh. Never really thought about that one before. And it was really inviting. Right.

And I remember looking over and was like, like looking at her and she's just looking at the screen like, has no idea. I'm like, [00:24:00] starting to turn. Yeah. She's like, yeah, this is a great movie. Right? And I'm just like, yeah, okay. Whatever dude. Like I don't know why you're smiling. Like, and then like, and then I, I catch myself 'cause I'm like, you know, I'm getting pretty good at it, I guess.

And I was like, dude, would it matter? Like. Even if that was a yes. Right. But would it matter, like, am I gonna just, oh, nevermind, can't do this. No, I'm gonna be like, oh, I created that. Or I, I assumed that, or whatever. Like, it's not going to matter other than to buy into this thought and probably ruin the night.

Right. Like, tell, you know we'll probably end up leaving the movie theater. And I didn't, I was like, it's just a thought. And you can do this with anything, not just with your person, but with the, the dream that one may have. Like, oh, well it's, it's so rare that somebody makes that. And it's like, dude, no, it's not.

Do you? Yeah. And then do you think if you persist in that, it's just a thought those doubts dissipate or are they always gonna be there? I think that in, in my experience, like thought is, is collective. So you can probably get a couple thoughts. You're probably even don't even know where they came from, but like when you're used to not buying into it, like [00:25:00] you're not gonna be scared if they do come.

Mm, that's great. What's it, what's it matter like? That, like that day of the movie theater, bro, I was like, I was about 30, 35 seconds into it and I was like, dude, whoa. Like, it was feeling really intriguing. And, and like that little, that little I guess that little you inside of you, she's like, yeah, like what if she did do that?

Like, what, what? And you're like, man. And so the fact that I had been practicing stuff like that, I was able to, to grab it. Like, ah, man, this doesn't matter. And we had a great night, dude. I remember coming back home. And eating ice cream or something. And she was like, she laughed. No, I laughed. And she was like, what are you laughing at?

And I was like, nothing. 'cause in my head I'm like, dude, this night could've went way different. I know, like had I, had I latched onto that? All A simple thought. Like a simple thought. So it's not that I, I'm not scared of those stuff coming. They can come if they wanted to. Like, I, I, I, I know I'm not going to buy into it.

And if I did, I, I would catch myself fairly fast and, and, and bring it back. That's awesome man. And people, I hope people hear this and see this as like a really big example. 'cause some people will be like, oh, it's [00:26:00] just a movie theater. But it's like, but your li and this is just a night. But like your lives are made up of these moments, these choices.

And like you said, your entire reality could shift based off of whether or not you choose to believe a doubt for that long, right? Like, yeah, like you said, we could have had a much worse night because you could have been like, well, what about this thing? That I just thought of. Is that true? And then now the whole fucking night is different.

Yes, dude, it, yes. Yeah. And I just feel like that is all, all of our lives all the time. Which shows you why imagination is the only reality to me. Yeah. And think about how, like, how irrelevant that it is, but like where it could have actually went. So because they got an argument at the theater, which probably would've happened, she's like, what the fuck?

Right. And then what would've happened? Because that's my biggest mere my wife, right? Mm-hmm. And she knows like. Probably thinks to say throughout our past that would probably trigger me and vice versa. Right? Yeah. What would've happened is if we probably would've got home argued a little bit and she, and she'd been like, wait, don't you teach this stuff?[00:27:00] 

And I've been like, what, what? Like, like this is different, right? Like it would've been, no, not, not this time. This is, yeah. Not this time. Yeah. Yeah. Not this time as you, yeah. Yeah. Trust me. And then I woke up in the morning, like, and you can, it just has potential for you to start perceiving this person that way all over again.

And, and it, it's all like, and, and none of it had to happen, like at all. Like all that was happening is we were watching a movie. I talk a lot in, in videos about like, all you're doing is making a sandwich. Like I, 'cause I used to do that. I like make a sandwich or like do the dishes, whatever. In my, and in my head I was just like racking myself up.

Like you would've thought I was being chased by a bay or something. And I, and I, I wasn't, I was just making a sandwich. So like. When you think about that, like the imagination run a wild like that and you're just feeding it with all this emotion and, and momentum, gaining momentum, and all you're doing is watching a movie.

Mm. Like that's it. Yeah. And then, and then, and then when this, and then, and then eventually all this stuff gets pushed out, the person leaves and you're like, man, I, I want them back. And [00:28:00] it's like they were right there in the theater with you. They're right there in the theater with you and, and your, and, and your, your fear that you, your, your unwillingness to, to disidentify with thought.

And not believe certain things like, and stay in the identity. Push 'em right out. Yeah. And so like, because these people can't bring you safety or, or love or anything like that. 'cause like, I'll tell people this too. I'm like, dude, you had this person at one point right next to you still didn't stop your fearful thoughts.

They can't do it. You know, you have like, it didn't matter if they were there. So now the idea, like we were talking about earlier, but when they come back it's like they were already there. Yeah. And, and it didn't slow anything down. Like say it just takes a little bit of, yeah. Willingness man to, to, to work with the, the work with yourself and watch the mind and say, dude, this is trickery.

Like, right, this is one big illusion. Like I'm watching a movie with my partner who I say I love so much, but I'm, but I'm over here entertaining a story in my head while this movie is going on and starting to perceive her as like some monster like. [00:29:00] That's, that's what's happening, right? Nothing else is, is, is, is you are doing this.

Right. So to, to recognize the insanity. Like, like I said, I, I, I realized I was being pathetic and I was like, dude, this is, this is not how I look. Right? I think what you're talking about too is just like really mastering self-regulation, and I think it's the things about what emotions try to get you to do is to immediately react.

Based off of that impulse. Right. And that's what's good about getting older. And I find what's really good about dating older is there's less likely you have that moment. Now you're like, maybe it's me. And the answer is, it's always is you. But no one wants to hear that because it's hard when you're younger and then eventually you're like, no, no, this is definitely me.

Yeah. Like I don't, I don't keep finding myself in the same situation over and over again. 'cause I just keep getting lucky with. Yeah. So I think that self-regulation piece, is that something that, I mean, this is what kind of we've been talking about this whole time. [00:30:00] Yeah. Right. Well, like there's a book that I have back here called Letting Go by Dr.

David Hawkins in Oh, yeah. That helped me a little bit too, in, in the sense of, he's talking about the payoffs that you get for being mad. Like that this, this little me gets to stay intact as long as you make somebody else wrong. Mm-hmm. As long as you, as long as you're playing victim. As long as you're like it, it's, it's, 'cause that's exactly what it is.

Like you were playing victim. And, and blaming and saying, I'm not happy because of this person. I'm not this because, and all that's happening is we're using a person to, to, we're using them to reaffirm how we already see. So. Mm. Like they, it's never, there's only you out there. So like, think about this. You don't really know how anyone thinks.

Now, do I think that you can. Because everyone is yourself pushed out and we're all connected that you end up influencing them. Yes. Right. But you don't really know how anyone thinks. You know how you think and mainly unconsciously, you know, how you think about yourself and, and what you believe about self.

So like. You see people in these [00:31:00] relationships, they, they meet somebody and they're like, oh, they're so confident. 'cause it's, it's new and, and they're, yeah, they're not, they're not worried about leap. They're not worried about them leaving or losing them. And then that attachment sets in the mind's like, oh, this person makes me happy.

And now that fear comes up of losing. And now how you really see stuff is like, well, what if their ex was like, you had some hair. She like people with hair. Like it, it just becomes a, and, and it's, it's your own insecurity. It's your own way of viewing self. And then you project that onto them and eventually they take on that belief as well and they see you and then they see you back that way and it was all you the whole time.

So that's why Neville Godder says there's no one to change but self. Because if you can change how you viewing self, you'll naturally have better assumptions about people. You're not gonna think that they're gonna leave if you don't feel abandoned. That's great. So how do you think, what's. Just good words for people to stay in a new identity.

Like what does that look like? I just wanna lead people with something like really positive. Yeah. Messed up. I, I, I think ideally, I'm not saying it's the easiest thing, but like, it's to not make an identity outta [00:32:00] anything. Because you can experience a lot of great things without being identified with it.

Right? Like, and what I mean mean by that is like, what I mean is I like YouTube, I like making YouTube videos, but like, I don't consider myself a YouTuber because if I do, I make that my identity. Then what happens if they take YouTube down? You know, now I'm like, oh my God, it's my whole life. Like, it it suck.

Yeah. Right. So but like mainly just recognize your own thought patterns. Like everything out there came from. Your belief system, how you're perceiving things, the meaning that you're assigning things from these, these beliefs and from the beliefs. You're having certain thought patterns that just keep refueling the belief and everything stays the same.

So when you start to observe the thought pattern, you're no longer watering the beliefs. So you don't have to change the the new story that you can, or to a new story, you can, but until you're outta thought pattern, you're gonna go back to this story. That's how you see things. So like to observe the, the, the thought patterns, then you're, that means you're no longer watering the beliefs and that will drop, when that drops everything out there that came from, that also drops too.

So it's not like you're not trying to affirm against it. You're trying to [00:33:00] recognize the illusion of the whole thing. Mm. When you do that, then you can say, oh wow, it's all illusion. I want to, I want to experience this. Mm-hmm. And then, and, and without making a whole nother identity out of you to say, oh, I'm gonna make some videos and put 'em on YouTube.

I'm going to like then, then this, then these specific people become preferences and they're not on a pedestal anymore. Then these like, 'cause you're, you're safe, you're whole, you're not buying into a, a thought pattern that you're not, and then so, and then from that point you can choose whatever experience that is that you think that you want.

Yeah. You're not saying, I need these things to feel okay. From that place, which is so key. You're already okay. Mm. And I love what you said, 'cause I was gonna ask you about this. There seems to be what I call a 3D feedback loop, which is I have a belief. I look forward in my three DI see it. Therefore, that belief is true and that circle can go on for fucking forever, dude.

And then people call that reality and they're like, that's just reality. I'm like, that's just reality for you. It is always just go, yeah, dude, [00:34:00] forever. That that feedback loop does not stop if you don't recognize what that is. You know what I mean? Perfect word for that. Recognize what it's, because until then you're in it.

Right? It's like a fish in water doesn't know it's in water. If you were to tell a fish that you live in water, you'd be like, what the fuck is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, so, so like, when you're just constantly in these loops, like you don't know any different and, and you just keep receiving things the same way, but you take space and like be the observer for a second.

The moment you can observe it, you're no longer it. And then when you, and now the funny part is like after, after you can observe, you actually have choice to let it go now. That's, until then you don't have as much choice as you think that you do. If it ke Yeah, if it keeps coming back though, and you keep letting go, eventually the more you let go, it has to let go.

Oh, 100%, dude. Yeah. Like if you're not taking it seriously, eventually it's gonna, it's gonna drop. But like, just like with anything dude, like everything wants to survive even including this identity. And the identity does, it is not just you're not enough, right? Or, or. Or unworthy. It's, it's, it's a lot of things like I'm, I'm from Cal, I'm from [00:35:00] Florida, I'm I'm white.

I'm this, I'm that. Like, we have all these things that we think that we are, and especially in relationship and when it comes to our finances, all that stuff. And to start observing these thought patterns in relation to these things. You, you can now start letting 'em go. And sometimes man, like, not to freak anybody out, but sometimes there's a little, little purge that goes on out there and the I and because it's, it's the dropping away of everything you knew and sometimes it.

Doesn't, it can be perceived as really shitty. And the idea is to, which should be a lot easier if you're no longer identifying with a lot of thought that comes by would help you not identify with that as well. Right? So there's a reason why I talk to a lot about just the thought, because you can start there.

It'll help you with not identifying with emotion. It'll help you not identify with someone's like, actually bro, you're never gonna make it like, like you, including yourself. You're like, I don't, I don't, I don't even believe that for myself. You think I'm fucking believe it. For me, like yeah, it becomes the.

It just becomes a way of living. But mainly, dude, real simply put, I think for people, if you can observe something and identify [00:36:00] with it, it may take one time, it may take five times, it may take 10, it'll drop because you're, you're, you're no longer saying it's true for you. If it's no longer true for you, true for you, then you will No, you will, you will no see it no more.

Dude. I love that. Alright, well I like to close by playing a quick game. It's called Spiritual or Asshole, where I say some things and you tell me if it's spiritual. Asshole, are you down? Yeah, dude. Spiritual or asshole saying you want to manifest an sp, which means a specific pound cake. Oh man, that's both.

All right. Spiritual or asshole. This is interesting. Manifest you. Okay? You're manifesting a specific person, but you meet someone else you might really be into, but you're like, no, but I'm manifesting this person

both. We have a lot of both answers. All right. That's Well, man. I'll get the, I'll get, I'll, I'll ask the next one without one. No, no, no. It's fine. It's great. There's no wrong answers. All right. Spiritual or asshole? Robotic affirmations. [00:37:00] Asshole. That's cool. That, how come? Well, because like to me it's like.

I've done it a trillion times. Yeah. Trust me. But like, it's one of those things where dude, like you are not really believing. Like if, if you are, what, what are you trying to force? Like especially a lot of times the robotic affirmations are coming from you trying to really mask another thought that you've been having.

Right. Which means you're scared of that thought. Like, like you, you, you don't need to be scared of the thought. You, people realize, man, real fast when you're, when you stop being scared of the thoughts and stuff, you don't even have a need to. Robotic car. And it's a lot of, and it's a lot of work by the way.

I've tried it. I've done it. And also, and also you have potential of thinking that's how you get everything. Mm. There's a lack of trust in it too. Yeah. Walk that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's just say you do walk out the money or the person in with your robotic affirmations. Now next time you want something, you like, damn, I got firm 10,000 times for, that's so much work.

Yeah. It's crazy. But I get it though. I get it. Alright, great. Spiritual or asshole throwing up and saying, [00:38:00] wow, everything really is you pushed out. Yo, spiritual, spiritual or asshole. This one's for you. Being a ne being in a Neville Goddard covered band cover band called the Neville Facades

Spiritual dude. Yeah. 'cause I, I, what I'd wanna do is, is take our fan base to a whole nother Neville at that point Dude, we're going to the highest Neville bro. That's right, that's right. Alright. I'm curious what your thoughts on this one, spiritual or asshole marrying someone who's not into any of this stuff.

What do you think about that? Oh, real spiritual. Yeah. Really? Yeah. But you know what could be take an asshole too 'cause you're like, man, I'm gonna influence him or you're gonna be doing that anyway. But but no spiritual for sure. 'cause like, my wife's not really into all this stuff. And it's probably nice to, honestly, she believe she believes it, like, to an extent, I think.

But like I don't really try to, to do anything other than that. Like, I, I, I, I grow more when people don't agree with me. That's great, dude. All right, last one. Spiritual or asshole. You role play by pretending you're a power for a [00:39:00] millionaire. So you walk around all day firing everyone.

Asshole. Great, man. All right, last question I ask everybody. If you could tell people one thing to tell themselves all day long, what would it be? And this is not a robotic affirmation, just like something to come back to, like an anchor.

It's just a thought. That's great, bro. There's no power of you. I love that, man. All right. We wanna tell people where they can find you. This is great. At your mama's house. There. It's, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. You guys can find me on YouTube at the internal game. Alright, brother. Well, this was awesome, man.

Thank you so much. Yeah, and also check out the school community too. 'cause like I just started that. It's just going awesome in there. The community's amazing. That's probably my favorite thing I've, I've done so far. It's called the school community. It's called the internal game. It's in the, it's in a, A school community like S-K-O-O-L.

Oh, great. [00:40:00] Yeah. Alright. Check it out everybody. Well, thanks so much, man.