Hello, webheads, and welcome to another edition of Spider-Man, the animated series podcast. I'm your host, Alex Robson, and with me as always for part two of The Wedding Review is my brother, comic book artist and writer, Mr. Will Robson. Say hello, Will. Hello, everybody. How are you doing, buddy, since we last spoke? It's been so long since we last spoke. We're not recording this as a filler to tie these two episodes together. Not at all.
No, many events have happened since we last spoke. Exactly. And we didn't decide to do a part two after we did the whole episode. It's turned from day to night. And I'm hungry now. So, yeah, let's talk about it, bud. Let's go into this episode. As usual, I list some creds. This episode came out on September 12th, 1997. It was directed by Bob Richardson, written by Meg McLaughlin and John Semper.
We just pretty much moved to America at that point. That's true. This was the month that we moved to America, that this episode came out. Did we move in September? We did. I started going to school in September. We did move in September. We were only there for like, because we were going to school whilst we were still in a hotel because we hadn't moved into our house yet. So this is probably, yeah, like around the time, if not a couple of days before or after.
um that we moved well coincidentally they mentioned princess diana in this episode and this episode came out 12 days after she passed away and she passed When did they mention Princess Diana? J. Jonah Jameson says, this wedding is going to make that Princess Diana affair look like a clam bake. Oh, okay.
uh and obviously you know her death was a tragic accident and unexpected so um yeah but she passed away only only a couple days before we moved to america i remember it was like a week so actually This might have come out like the day we moved to America. Crazy. This is crazy. Anyway, back to it. It's starring Christopher Daniel Barnes as Peter Parker and Spider-Man, Sarah Ballantyne as Mary Jane, Gary Imhoff as the Green Goblin.
Harry Osborne Julie Bennett as Aunt May Marlo Rubinoff as Liz Allen, Ed Asner as J. Jonah Jameson, Rodney Salisbury as Robbie Robertson, Mijelle Barrett as Anna Watson, Patrick Labiateau as Flash Thompson, Jennifer Hale as the Black Cat and Felicia Hardy, Richard Moll as the Scorpion.
Barbara Goodson as Dr. Ashley Kafka Neil Ross the Green Goblin Norman Osborn Roscoe Lee Brown the Kingpin Maxwell Caulfield Alistair Smythe David Warner Herbert Landon there were a lot of fucking people in this episode It was a good episode. It was really well balanced though, wasn't it? Everyone like had a really good place and I thought it flowed. had the greatest line he's had in the whole show in this episode. Oh, I have a few. Which was your favourite? It was so baller. So gangster.
so money. I loved it so much. I think I know which one it's going to be. It's like, well, Jay Jonah, it's when they're trying to do the wedding. Jay Jonah's like, I know the best baker in Queens. And he says, well, I know the Queens personal baker. I was like, oh, shit. You just got one-upped big time. You just got pinned. King paint. If you say you know the best baker in Queens and some dude says, like, I know the Queens baker, like, damn. Yeah. Baller. Damn.
Yeah, that was amazing. Some fun facts for this episode. I'll just go through them with you. When J. Jeremy Janison is declaring that he wants to pay for Peter's wedding to beat out Wilson Fisk, he quips, I want to give Parker a wedding. that will make that princess die look like a clan bake and as i just mentioned princess diana only died a mere 12 days before the original air date of this episode um Whoops. But hey, it's animation. It's not like you can change it that quickly.
Harry Osborn ended up in Ravencroft after the events of The Return of the Green Goblin, and he's being treated by Dr. Ashley Kafka, who's the same psychiatrist that treated Eddie Brock and that he was in love with. if you remember that. Oh, yeah. This episode is loosely based on The Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1, Annual Number 21, which has Peter and Mary Jane getting married. And at the end of this episode, Liz Allen... Classic.
kind of a cover that yes with the love heart around them yep uh and at the end of this episode liz allen confesses that she loves harry osborne and in the comics liz and harry actually get married and have a son that they named norman after harry's father which i never knew Name him after a mad tyrant. So what did you think of this episode, bud? This is my new child, Bin Laden, everybody. What did I think of this episode? I thought it was very, very good.
great because i like it a lot too i loved uh it's like it flowed very well as you said yeah and great balance of like the scorpion breaking out at the bank at the beginning
And then being kidnapped by, I mean, kidnapping Aunt May and then- Very Spider-Man 2, right? Yep. His rings are in the balance of everything. I was like, yes, I love all of this. This is so Spider-Man. Like, not only do I got to protect- like all these people from the scorpion but my aunt's may is in danger and the rings that i need for mary jane like yes it's like
That's classic Peter Parker problems right there. Absolutely. And Sam Raimi took that for both Spider-Man 2 and 3 because in 2, Dr. Octopus is robbing the bank and he's there with Aunt May and Aunt May gets wrapped up in tentacles and taken up buildings like... Scorpion does in this and then in three he's got Aunt May's wedding band that he wants to give to Mary Jane and he's attacked by Harry's Green Goblin and there's like him trying to get the ring
Whilst fighting Harry as well. So Sam Raimi took both of these, well, this scene for both of his movies. I don't know. I mean, this stuff could have been done in the comics originally as well. True, true. So... yeah that was just classic spidey to me um and the whole wedding is great and and i just love norman talking to him through like mirrors and stuff like that yeah just just really enjoyed it yeah i i agree
thing in it and kingpin is now getting into like that public figure like life you know like oh you know i'm now own this new newspaper and stuff like that i love when kingpin's like full-on display like corrupt without people not realizing it yeah there was you know what with kingpin he's obviously he no one knows he's the kingpin besides like his closest enemies and some of his allies and stuff but
He's at this wedding and there's a bunch of people running around and he's in a robot and his head is at the front of the robot. And I'm like, buddy, if you want to hide your identity, that's not the way to do it. He's using the robot to stop the villains.
Yeah, but his face is still right there. You know what I mean? Yeah, but he might get some good PR for that. I guess so, actually. I feel like he's very more Lex Luthor in this episode than anything. He's very Lex Luthor in this episode. You're right.
Yeah, that is a very Lex Luthor plot and what he does. So Spider-Man calls Scorpion a sissy at the beginning of this, which I was like, oh, this is a bit telling at the time. He talks about his mother and he's like, that's it. Don't talk about my mother. Yeah. Aunt May being afraid of Spider-Man is always a nice touch as well, where she's more afraid of him than Scorpion. I remember what happened. I was like, oh, calm down, woman.
harry's nightmare sequence was really fucking good in this episode too i thought that was really well done like spider-man is this monster who preyed on his father and i can't get over the evil laugh that peter has in that sequence too like he does like a he does this really weird evil laugh that i just i've never heard before uh i realized this time around that harry's eyes are green and he's also wearing a green jumper nice little bit of green goblin plot put in there
Great animation in this episode as well. Great animation. Did you notice that they added tear ducts to a lot of the characters in this season? I did. Yes, like little tiny dots at the end. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'd never had those in the characters before. no i don't remember seeing it at least but a lot of people were crying in this episode um i also thought it was really weird that liz allen fancies harry because like that's like when people fancy a serial killer you know what i mean like
Why does she fancy him so much? Well, she just, that's the man she loves. I guess so. Probably not a good idea to have a hole in the plate of glass that divides you and a mental patient, though, as a visitor. There's just like this big hole. I'm sure there's different levels of visitation rights for different types of patients. Okay, okay. All right, I'll buy that. I'll buy that.
um kingpin misleading peter parker as well where he's like i read about you in bending marriage to miss wanson and frankly i can't let you do it and then he's like what and he's like without my financial backing and he takes out a suitcase full of money I was like, what a fucking bowler. Did you notice how big Kingpin's hands are when he grabs that newspaper out of the suitcase? How much material was used to make his tux?
yeah that tux is i thought it looked really good on him actually i thought it was pretty fucking baller i do love as you were saying like uh the mirror of um green goblin like norman goblin to harry goblin when they're running past the windows and the reflection of green goblin is following him and talking to him as he's running now return of smite as well go return of smite as i was talking about with gary um Gary was saying, and you don't know if Harry's actually seeing Norman or not.
and at first i thought that was really cool and that's how i felt as well like is it his imagination or is is he really there however i always feel like he is definitely there yes one big thing when he's when smith is like how did you know all this he's like oh we have a third party that wants to stay anonymous and yeah well they so i was like so he's legitimately so he's legit there that's exactly what i thought too um yeah that makes sense because obviously how would
how would harry know that without norman actually being there to tell him like who the kingpin is and and give him all that detail so yeah good very good point um yeah so smythe and what do you think about scorpion being his new partner I liked it. And Scooby's tail got fricking ripped off by Kingpin. And the way Kingpin said, I broke him. Oh, and I was just starting to have fun. Like the way he was, the way he was throwing them around like a lasso. That was, that was really cool.
um kirk connor's walking mary jane down the aisle i was like yeah oh robbie robertson is peter parker's best man i know and peter lovely peter being so worried like do you have the rings with such a nice touch like him being so nervous like that was a really nice touch but I thought it was weird that Kurt Collins walked Mary Jane down the the aisle because I was like do you guys know each other like
At all? Really? Well, she's... Think about it. She is not around her father anymore. Yeah. Who ended up being a terrible person. Peter Parker has no father figure in his life, except for Kurt Connors is one of them. So I don't know why he'd be giving away Mary Jane. Yeah. But he's a father figure nonetheless. So there he is. Yeah, there he is. Just with a little cameo.
And I was surprised to see Black Cat because the last time we saw her, she was off with Morbius and Blade. And there was no like, hey, I've returned. It was just like, I'm here. I'm here to help quickly. But I do like how she's there because obviously that's one of his past loves. So it's like on his wedding day, there's a girl he fancies as well. The whole, so I watched this with my girlfriend and the whole Harry forcing.
mary jane to marry him my girlfriend was like this would never work because they need to sign they need to sign loads of documents it's like dwight in the office with marrying angelo yeah yeah that's true But it also felt very Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves. Like, that's exactly what the show does. Yes, exactly. And he's trying to get back in to stop it.
I will never, ever grow tired or not laugh at Kingpin going up his tube elevator. He goes up his tube elevator and he just looks so funny in it. I love it so much. What did you think of the spider robots, like all of the Mega Slayer as well that Kingpin had? Very reminiscent of Mandalorian with the black Stormtrooper robot. Whoa, they do look like those. You're right.
They almost look identical to them now you mentioned that. I like that they're on their own little gliders, like little squads. Yeah, I thought that was a really cool little ad to make them goblin robots. I loved Spider-Man stopping the wedding and showing the showdown between him and Goblin. I'm surprised that never made it into the movies. That would be a really cool movie scene, like Spider-Man and Mary Jane's wedding being stopped by the Green Goblin and trying to break that all up.
Liz confesses her love to Harry. She stops the whole wedding, snaps him out of his goblin state. Yeah, that all makes sense. But I cracked up so much because Harry almost like faints and he drops his pumpkin bomb.
And Liz catches it. And then in the left-hand side of the frame, Spider-Man's hand just like... comes into the frame and he just takes the pumpkin bomb away yeah and it just it's just his hand and it's just like yep yoink and takes away and i was like what a random bit of animation to put in there like you didn't need to do that she could have just held on to the pumpkin bomb
I thought it was a really weird, like, do you think that was some request where it's like, we need to see him actually take it from her hands? I don't know. It's very weird. MJ telling Spider-Man to go get Peter so they can get married made me laugh. I like that she obviously knows they're the same and I thought that was good.
Peter and MJ finally getting married and leaving the church in a parade of cheers was good. JJ giving Peter the Daily Bugle van as his wedding gift, which I think was so poetic because it's the final jab at Kingpin. He owns that newspaper. He owns the competitive newspaper and Peter Parker is the one driving away in the Daily Bugle, right? I like also the violin playing the Mary Jane Peter Parker love song.
when they came in at that wedding yep i i had that written down i missed that bit thanks for reminding me yeah that's really sweet isn't it i thought that was a nice touch um and then green goblin watches uh from his what the norman green goblin watches from his nothing void and calls out for harry as he's all alone and that's the end of the episode uh one of my favorites for sure really solid start to this season
Very superhero-y, very Spider-Man-y. Yes. Yeah, good stuff. And I like the power dynamic between Kingpin and J. Jonah. All that additional stuff was just great. Yeah, it was really well done. Lots of layers in this episode. Yeah, absolutely. And lots of characters progressing in their story as well as Spider-Man progressing in their story as well. Yeah, really well done. Great start to a new season.
Yeah, and guess what's up next, bud? Are we getting into Captain America territory? We are getting into Captain America territory. Oh, yeah, baby! It's Partners in Danger. It's like the... the main type theme of this whole season because each season has its own like sins of the father was i think season three which was all about norman osborne and all these other father figures in that show so partners in danger is the one in this one um
there are five episodes for captain America or four, four or five episodes that we're going to watch that all are one cohesive story, which is interesting. Um, so I think like, Captain America is only mentioned in the first or second bit, and then we start to get more and more. But it's all about the team that he fought with. Yeah, the old people team. Yeah.
which I really like. The Wizard, I think, is one of them and loads of other ones. I think it's really cool. It has a little bit of a Watchmen vibe, doesn't it? It has a major... Oh my God, you're right! Saturday morning cartoon Watchmen.
Yes! Because I was like, why didn't they do Dum Dum Dugan and Bucky and stuff? Because they were around by then, and I was surprised they didn't make it in. Because they were going to make a Captain America show, so they probably had them young, ready to go for that.
You're right. That's exactly why. So they probably weren't allowed to use it because it was owned by another studio. Well, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. And I really like his old team and very Watchmen, dude. There's even a character I think he looks like. Is it the Black Hood? in watchman with like a like a big black hood with eye holes cut in and like a noose around his neck there's a character that looks just like that i think um no it's a really good point never thought about that
All right, so I'm really looking forward to those. Not really any breaks in censorship that I could see, and we're starting to move away from that because...
As John Semper has said, everybody had to abide by it. And it's kind of nitpicking at this point. But if you did spot anything that you think is like, we've got to point that out. The only thing I can think about was calling... scorpion a sissy but that's not really a break of censorship at the time it's more like that you'd never see that now yeah so
We've got lots of cool episodes to come. There wasn't much in breaks and censorship, as I said. If you saw anything or if you just want to talk about this episode, point out things that we may not have pointed out, you can reach us on social media at Spider-Man TAS pod or at Spider-Man. and TASpod at gmail.com. All right, bud, friendly neighborhood quiz game. Give me a jangle. Oh, I'm a bit messed up because of my cold. Okay, so it's going to be a very subtle jingle.
This is the Friendly Neighborhood Quiz Game. That's the saddest jingle I've ever heard. This is the Friendly Neighborhood Quiz Game. All right. Question. Okay, excited quiz game participant. Question one. Where are you from, contestant number one? Oh, don't worry about that. Just get on with the quiz. Oh, no, I don't mean it like that. I just don't want to bother you. All right. Question one. What's the name of the paper Kingpin buys?
oh fuck me it's not called fuck me the daily fuck me is it daily something it is the daily something the daily and it even begins with a b The daily bar. The daily boo. The daily bee. The daily bee. Yes. Well done. It's the daily beacon. Correct. Question two, what is the name of Harry's psychologist where, and we have seen him before. Oh, you just said it. I did. Alex. Nope, Ashley.
Ashley! Don't you remember Betty Brock going, Ashley! I'll always love you! Ashley! Nope. Got nothing? Nope. Dr. Ashley Kafka. Question three. Memorable. Question three. Where was Kingpin having his roses imported from? Ah, I'm getting my roses imported from Portugal. No, that's a pretty good guess. Somewhere close to Portugal. It begins with an E. Espanol. Ecuador. Ecuador. Love that. Question four. What was the name of Smythe's goblin robots? Oh, for God's sake.
I've got my new robots. And then he was like, I don't care about the stupid name of your robots. Yeah, and he's always like, these blank, blank warriors are excellent, Smite. They're really stupid names. They were like, ah, robot goblin warrior. you're close so it's goblin robot warrior goblin robo warriors yeah that was i'll give you that one that was pretty good um
And then number five, question number five, what is the name of the asylum that Harry is being treated in? Ravencroft. Correct. Well done, buddy. You got four out of five. I can't give you Dr. Ashley Kafka. You had some hints, but you got there in the end. Oh, am I keeping you? You're yawning on a podcast. Son of a bitch. Make the loudest yawn too.
Oh, my God. Fucking grandpa. All right. Well, I did just have a kip before. Oh, I just had a little sleepy poo. We got one more category and then I'll let you get back to bed, granddad. What? the category is what you're doing with your life so what are you watching buddy how deep do we want to go Nothing! Staring into the black void. It is not working out the way I anticipated it to. I'm just sitting.
2023. Baddest I've ever been. This is our five-year anniversary. And you're such a pessimist this entire episode. And alone. You're not alone? You're married. I have a lovely wife. Yeah. Yeah, she makes me incredibly happy. She's amazing. I'm surprised you're not like, cut that out, bud. You don't listen to this shit. That's true, she don't.
No, I never ask you to cut things out of the podcast. We've done that three times in this one. What are you watching? What are you reading? Well, I'm listening to a lot of vinyl records. Yeah, you are. You're a big vinyl boy. It's a new jam, baby. Yep, I got a vinyl record player for Karishmas from our father, and I used to collect vinyl about 10 or 15 years ago, and then everyone started collecting it, so the prices shot up, so I stopped.
And then I know recently I've just been wanting to, I haven't been able to listen to the ones I already had. I got some first press Beatles and Stones and all this other great stuff. I got the player, I stuck it on and it was amazing. You came over, we listened to some records and played some video games, which was fun. I've been jamming out to that Deep Purple album ever since I listened to it. Oh, have you? Machine Head.
Yeah, you reminded me how good that album is. It's so good. One of the best rock and roll albums of all time. Everyone go listen to Machine Head by Deep Purple. Listen to the whole goddamn album. It's amazing. One of them is like... It's just a song where you're like, I have to have sex with this song. Which one is that? Oh, it'd be the... Yeah.
Literally sounds like a porn parody song. Like, you know what I mean? There's so much wah-wah guitar in there and just some deep bass. You're like, I'm going to get naked. But sadly, that beat is only at the beginning of the song and the rest of the song is not like that at all. Yeah, well, I'll just play that on loop. Just play that beginning bit on loop. And like after I listened to the album so much myself.
i was like i'm gonna check out some other deep purple albums and i listened to like other stuff and it just goes to like air medley like not the same vibe where that machine head is just like Just so fucking good. It's just like, oh, it's just like hard rock in your face. Dirty. It is dirty. It is just dirty. It's dirty, dirty. Yeah. So I've been listening to records. I've been playing a lot of Mario Golf 60 Form.
I've been doing odd jobs that have needed to be completed around my house. And I'm now this week going to be finalizing writing the issue breakdowns for my story that I sold to IDW, which is a creator-owned project. Hell yeah. I can't say what that is yet. I probably shouldn't even set the company, but there we go. That's all right.
Yeah. So I've been working on the story for my creator on which I finished writing the main pieces for it when I was really sick and I had to quarantine myself away from my wife.
and i was hopped up on all this different medication and i was like practically hallucinating which i've never had with like vaguely with a fever i've had that before but like i was seeing like faces coming out of the dark and like you're seeing the little girl at the top of the stairs oh yeah absolutely oh my god the worst was i i got i have an ensuite and that's not a
brag or anything telling a story i went i went into the toilet i have an ensuite by the way um and i heard the springs of my bed go off like someone had gotten into them and i was like
Like, it scared that sound of someone getting into the bed when you know no one's there. It's scary. Brightening. Yeah. And we had just got this new duvet for the winter that's like... eight times as big as a regular duvet because it's like a no humble brag there no we got it so that because we can't afford to pay our heating so we got a giant thermal blanket instead
and i looked in the bed and just looked like someone was laying in my spot in the bed i was like oh my god to the point where i had to get up and pull the sheets off of the bed to reveal if there was something there that obviously there wasn't yeah i was tripping balls in bed
Imagine if you put the sheets off and it was you laying there and you're like, what? Oh, he's fat. Who's this big fat guy in my bed? Oh no, it's me! And then the you in bed is like, what are you doing? Like scared of you as well? Crazy. Write that down. That's good shit. But yeah, a lot of the book I'm writing is all about psychological horror and hallucinating. So I was like, right, I'm fueling this trip that I'm having and I'm going to turn it into some of the work.
for my book. And I wrote, you wrote it all down. Oh yeah. I wrote down so many, I was just lying there and like looking in the dark and my brain was making stuff of like, like a head like on tendrils like peeking around the corner and dripping with the oil and stuff i was like yep that's going in there or did you write this down
No, I checked the next morning. I told my wife about it. She's like, did you write just a bunch of fucking gobbledygook? Like, did you check it? It was just like, me poo-poo pants with me sea, big and dark and scary and drippy and man in bed. And man in bed was me. And he said, I'm scared of you. Hey, see, you've already been clear to that. That shit's good. You're not telling me it's good, but you know it's good.
Good. That's good. You're keeping that. Well, no, you have it then. That's yours. You write a whole thing about that. Nah, I'm good. That's never been done. It's the original thing. Just want you to be like, yeah, that was good, but I'll use that. That's like that classic old story where it's... like mommy can you check if there's any monsters under the bed and then the mom checks under the bed and it's the daughter that's like
mom there's a monster on that bed like that's the classic like that's true yeah it's like horror stories in two sentences right and some of those were scary as fuck i was like that's way better than a fucking 90 minute horror movie yeah i wrote all the missing links i needed for my story for the most part um and i'm really looking forward to it being made like it's it's gonna be like a horror slash monster book but at the same time
There's so many different layers to it. Like, there's a lot of psychological horror. There's a lot of ambiguity where you'll be like, is this person seeing this stuff? Are they not? And I'm looking forward to it. No, that's cool. I dig that a lot. Well, I've been watching White Lotus Season 2 I finished and so did you on your recommendation and really enjoyed it.
um i came around and actually started to i know i've previously on this podcast i didn't like white lotus season one but having reflected and been like it's not about the murder it's actually about these people that are in this place and all of the uh social commentary that goes on in that show as well and well there was a lot less social commentary in season two there was and there wasn't it's more about sex in season two um and how like the sun is like against all of those like
old sexist ways that you know that movies and things like when he's talking about the gangsters right and like how men fall in love with the idea of the gangster because it's this that and the other and he's like it's sexist and old but then at the end of the season he also turns his head when his granddad and his father check out this girl and he so he's it's like no he's he's he's like
I think what it was saying was he's just one of them. Just because you're woke doesn't mean that you can't be a womanizer. Exactly. That's what was the whole point. It was the irony there that he's doing the same thing. two other generations in his family are doing as well. He's still objectifying women, but he's just... Yeah. And he's being the nice guy, which is also just as bad. The nice guy thinks that they're actually doing the right thing, but they're actually just as bad as anyone else.
Yeah, so I enjoyed White Lotus Season 2. Granted, it wasn't as deep as the first one, but I thought it was really good. Then I'm watching Bad Sisters on your recommendation. You finished it. I'm halfway through. I finished it last night. It does take... Some strange turns at points, but it comes all back around. And I was very satisfied with the ending. Okay. I haven't seen any strange turns yet. I think we watched three episodes last night. It's quite long.
I don't think I should have sat down and binged all of it. How did you watch 10 hours worth of shit in a night? Well, no, because we had already watched four episodes, but we started watching them at five o'clock. I was like... If we just keep it going, this will be done at like half 11. And we're like, let's do it because it was just getting so good. I haven't hated the character as much as I've hated the husband in this show since watching Handmaid's Tale. Yeah, me too.
this guy is just such a piece of shit in this show and the oh the way i've never seen a character be able to like instantly flip stuff onto other people where he's clearly in the wrong but he'll be like The manipulation. Oh, what are you doing? He's gaslighting. What am I doing? Yeah, it's the gaslighting. It's gaslighting, but he makes it like an art. It's crazy. Yeah, it's gross how scary he is. He's a very scary man.
Then I also watched Barbarian, which is a horror movie that I had no expectations for or low expectations for and ended up being pretty fucking good. And I thought like, oh, I know where this is going. And then it was like, we're not going there at all. And it was suck. a random turn and i thought it was paced pretty well and it didn't like overindulge in things um
Sometimes it showed too much of something, but there were some really spooky moments where they didn't show anything. So that was really good. I watched white noise today. Now that movie sucked, but, um, I want, I forgot to tell you there is a scene in white noise.
a sequence where adam driver wakes up in bed and buddy i have not been chilled to to my bones in a little while and i was like because i was kind of like well this has got half my attention so i was like dicking about on my phone or and laptop and like doing other shit whilst it was on and this scene happened and i was like
You have my attention. And watching it, I was like, what is happening? Like, it was just scary and really unnerving. Well, I'm not going to see this movie now because I've heard nothing but bad things. So just tell me about it. So it really has nothing to do with the plot. It's just a random scene that comes into play quite early on in the movie where Alan Driver wakes up in bed and then he feels for his wife and his wife's not there.
And then it's like really darkly lit in his bedroom. And there's a little bit of light coming through one of the windows from outside. And his wife is just sitting in a chair and she's just like staring at the wall, like off into nothing. And no one says anything. Like he's just looking at her like, what is she doing? And then she just stands up. So you just see this like silhouette of a person and she takes two steps forward.
to the bed and then she's just standing at the edge of the bed and drivers like pretend to be asleep and i'm like what the fuck is happening this is so scary and then Why is someone standing at the end of the bed, like one of the scariest things? And not saying anything. And dude, there's no music either. It's just silence. And I'm like, I'm so unnerved. And then she just turns and she like runs to the bathroom.
like an ensuite, by the way, she runs to the bathroom. They must have a lot of money then, I suppose. She runs to the bathroom and you hear her being sick. And Alan Driver's like still sitting there and he's not saying anything, like laying in bed. Then she comes back out and she walks and she goes straight into bed and she like clumps into bed next to him, pulls the covers up over her head.
So he's looking at her, wondering what's happening. And then even though it's the back of her head, the covers are over it.
a face starts to press out from out from underneath in the covers from the back of her head and you're seeing like teeth and a mouth opening like as it's pressing in the in the covers and i was like what the fuck is going on and then adam driver reaches to pull it down and i'm like no no no no no don't do that and he pulls it down and then he fucking wakes up and you're like oh it was a fucking dream sequence but still really spooky i was like from start to finish i was like really scared
And the rest of the movie sucked. But that was a really, really interesting scene nonetheless. So yeah, watch that. I saw Sleepers from 1996 or whatever it was. I just saw Heat. I saw, me and my wife have been just, anytime there's like an old courtroom drama from the 90s on Netflix, chuck them on because I did obviously just miss them at the time. I was a child. So yeah, Sleepers was actually awesome with Robert De Niro.
kevin bacon dustin hoffman brad pitt like a super stacked cast so random it was just all about these kids that like ended up going to juvie for doing a really stupid thing And Kevin Bacon, who is their prison guard at Juvie, molests, rapes, and tortures them so badly that they plot revenge on him and all the other guards that molest them.
and like the it's like the whole movie is like this giant revenge story where they it's just good it's just good it was a good story nice i'm glad you enjoyed it i know i know it was big when it came out like 20 or 30 years ago whatever 30 years ago um but i'm glad it still holds up and then another movie that held up for me that was from my childhood was robin hood prince of thieves i watched over the christmas break
And even though Kevin Costner has... And who did the score for that? I don't know, actually. I shouldn't. No, it's... Well, he did the score for Sleepers. Yeah, no, the guy who did the score for Robin Hood, I think his name was John Debney. He did Die Hard. John Debney. He did Die Hard, Licence to Kill.
um like all of those movies that like were like the action movies of the 80s like he has actually has some pretty good fucking scores but he died in like the early 2000s he died well very young so um which is why none of his scores have come out very recently because he's been dead. I don't know why I had to say it like that. Sorry, everybody. I haven't had any recent work.
I've been dead for 20 years. But yeah, Robin Hood was a good time. Loved Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham. And Kevin Costner has an American accent and it's... It's obviously ridiculous that Robin Hood has an American accent. You know the story behind that, right? I do, yeah. Because at the beginning of the movie, he's trying to do an English accent. You hear it in that when he's in prison, trying to escape the Jordanian prison or Jerusalem or something like that.
He's just like, the way he was like, come with me and maybe we can escape from this place. And you're like, what's happening with your accent? It's like all over the place. It's like he has five different regions in one sentence. Kevin Costner, I guess he's pretty one note, right?
Yeah, he's a big name. When I think of Kevin... No, I'm saying his acting. Have you ever thought of a... When I think of Kevin Costner, he's pretty much the same guy in everything. Mr. Brooks? I think of Waterworld. Yeah. And then I think of the other post-apocalyptic movie he did. Postman. Yeah. And then I think of him as Superman's dad.
Yeah. Robin Hood. There's that movie, Mr. Brooks, where he's the serial killer, remember? Oh, yeah, with Dane Cook as well, right? Yeah, and is it William Hurt?
that's the yeah it's william hurt that's his but he's pretty like made up pretty much acts the same and everything right yeah he does yeah yeah yeah pretty much so him like being like doing a character with a different accent that seems pretty far-fetched yeah and then they also have christian slater in there as like his half brother and he's got an american accent as well and i'm like where are these guys raised like it's the best when he's in the woods baby
Nothing like Kristen Slater. But the best is when they meet Robin Hood and they're like, who are you, sir? And it's like the most British way they say it. And he's like, I'm Robin Loxley. Yeah, Robin of Locksley. I live on Fifth Avenue. I'm so glad to be home in England. My home. I want to eat some bangers and mash. Where's Maid Marian?
I want to make her married, if you know what I'm talking about. I want to bang her mash, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, bang her mash. I want to mash her so bad. I just grossed myself up by saying I want to bang her mash. That's terrible. Terrible. I'm going to match your bang. Oh, 2023 is already so weird. We're just so on a rant right now. Robin Hood. It was great. Enjoyed it.
That's all I've watched and read. Fucking hell. I'm from Essex. Don't go in the woods. It's scary in there. I was raised in the woods. In the woods, we speak like this. In Sherwood Forest. Sherwood and Fifth. Sherwood and Fifth. Forest Avenue. We got bangers. We got mash. We got latkes. We got bagels. And we got a Joe's pizza. The original Joes. None of that bony stuff. The original Joes is from Sherwood and Fifth. On the corner of. None of that crap you get in Wales. This is the original.
Can't take my taxes, Mr. King. Oh! Get your tax fingers, Eddie. Now I want to watch Robin Hood Men in Tights. That is a good movie. I watched it. I did watch it last year and it kind of holds up. I bet it's dated humour. A lot of humour is very dated. I bet it is, yeah. But some of it still made me laugh because I just remembered it from my childhood.
Yeah. And Dave Chappelle's great in it, right? He's terrible in it. Is he? Oh, I always remember him being terrible. I remember always being like, ah, Dave Chappelle's great in that movie. And I watched it, I was like, Dave Chappelle.
is terrible in this movie. Because I thought Dave Chappelle was good in anything he did, and then I watched Con Air again recently, and I was like, Dave Chappelle's not good in everything. I think this predates Con Air. Does it? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Dave Chappelle is like 20 in this movie, if that. Wow. Okay. Yeah, it came out a long time ago. So I do love how the Robin Hood is like, and I'm the only Robin Hood with an authentic British accent. Yeah, that's very good.
The forest guy is very good. I mean, sorry, the Sheriff of Nottingham is good. No, the king, because there's two. There's a Sheriff of Nottingham and then there's the king. Yeah, I'm saying the Sheriff of Nottingham is good. Oh, okay. Yeah, the king is played by the guy from Kirby Enthusiasm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a comedian, whatever his name is.
and his mole... Lewis Black. Lewis Black. And his mole moves around his face every scene. It gets bigger and bigger and bigger as it goes on. Well, that's crazy because it's obviously, it's parodying.
robin hood prince of thieves and i was realizing the other day that's how big robin hood prince of thieves was when it came out had action figures like you showed me that picture today and i was like oh shit there's the sheriff nottingham the action figure that i haven't seen since like 1993 or whatever there's so much stupid
stupid shit in that fucking movie that still made me laugh. And I was embarrassed to laugh about it. There's a scene with, remember his, he has a blind sidekick. Yeah. And like, Since he didn't pay taxes on his castle, they just wheel his castle off. And the blind guy's just sitting in the toilet still. It's so stupid that it made me laugh. Why does everything go in the toilet stage? He's got a Playboy, but it's like etched out. So he's like feeling like the tits in the Playboy. And then...
Robin Hood comes up to him and he's like, oh, Robin, it's been so long. And he goes to hug him, but he hugs this armless statue next to him. He's like, Robin, you're Robin! lost them in battle but it's a female statue so he's like and you grew a great pair of kids
It's so stupid. That's brilliant. Because there's a blind guy in Prince of Thieves. That's where it comes from. Yeah, it's Duncan is the blind guy. His name is, I think it's Plumpkin. Plumpkin. Look, there's a lot of... humored like that yeah but that's how big prince of thieves was that it could be parodied like that it's like all again oh it's like all the scary movies that were parodying scream and all of that stuff um well okay we just went on a random run of
Prince of Thieves and Robin Hood but I can't I really want to watch Men in Tights yeah I really want to watch Men in Tights now I own it on my Apple you can watch it yeah you've grown a great set of tits I don't know if it says tits maybe it says boobs boobs yeah Probably says boobs. Yeah. All right. Oh, actually, no, I think he says rack. Oh, which is not an English word. No, but I think it's, you know, I don't think tits. Got a great rack on you.
Well, after that complete dive into Robin Hood, is there anything you want to add before we jet off? Happy 2023? Be kind to each other. You went from being the biggest pessimist at the beginning of this episode to just be kind, be nice. Just try and be nice. And if you can't do that, then for fuck's sake, fuck off. And there's so much we have to look forward to this year in films. And TV. The list is endless.
Well, that's all the time we've got for this week. Join us next time where we'll continue talking all things Spider-Man, the animated series. Until then, I've been Alex Robson. I've been Will Robson. And remember, with a great podcast comes great recordability. So long. Yeah, if you're swallowing your spit, then you're putting the sickness back in the tank. That's not how it works. If you don't gov out your spit...
It doesn't mean you continue to be sick. Hey man, it's 2023. You're learning things. It's okay. I didn't blow my nose. So I've been sick for like 10 days. Yeah. Cause the germs are there and they're just like, they're just roasting. That's not how it works. You just start fucking coughing. Coughing just makes me feel like shit. It just reminds you of how you're not healthy.
I have plenty of reminders of how unhealthy I am. Fucking any time I sit on the toilet trying to reach my all soul, that's an easy reminder. fucking triathlon doing that somewhere out there is my butthole I'm at the point now I'm gonna have to lift my legs up for my wife and be like help me please I'm so fat I can't wipe my ass. Finished. It says through sickness and through health. There ain't no health. Lot of sick. This is pretty sick.
Oh, God. I'm just going to have to pick you up on a forklift to put you in the bathtub. Why am I going in the bathtub? To wash your ass out. but I can't fit in the shower anymore. It is funny, but at the same time, I got to take control. Well. We've made it to five years. This might be your last year on the podcast. I put on £10 every single season of this show. Like clockwork. Oh, shit.
I'm going to be wheezing like James Gandolfini the night he died. The night he died! Oh, shit. All right, Butterball, you ready to do this? Butterball. I'm ready, Butterbean. All right, Ian. I'm distracted by all these birds flying around, though, from my new view. Who are you? One of our fucking old aunts? Talking about birds outside? Looks like a group of sparrows. Jesus Christ. You really are like an 80-year-old man.
I better go get rid of that one. Oh, God. Yikes. Hello, everyone. My brother is slowly deteriorating. He's only 32. 33 oh 32 33 yeah 32 and um yeah i'm a lot healthier than him and i hope he hears this Nobody to remind him. Next time he goes to eat that extra bit of bad food or he pours himself a very large whiskey that he listens to this and remembers he's a fat cat.
All right, he's back. I just walked five steps. That's the most steps you've done all day. What's your step count up to now? 12? I did go out today. You're actually looking at your step count. I'd be very curious. I bet it's 3,000 steps. Where the fuck is my step count? In the health app that you never look in. It's 1,254 steps. That's not very good. It's not very bad. No, I guess not. Compared to my daily 200, it's a lot better. Oh, God.
I don't carry my phone on me everywhere I go, so it's not accurate. No, that's true, yeah. That is a good point. I take like 20 dumps in the day, so that's a lot of back and forth at the toilet. It's not true. 25. That's the 20th dump, 25. Oh, I feel like shit. Let's do this podcast then. All right. Happy New Year. Here we go. In three, two, one.