Special Teams: The Fake Spike Game.

look back at a play that just celebrated. It's anniversary not too long ago. We make you feel we kind of have to do it. Well, you know what, it's been twenty five years. I've had time to get over it.

But we're gonna look back at the Fake Spike game, also known as the clock play, but a fake spike game, in which Dan Marino turned the fake spike into a cult play in NFL history by driving the Dolphins down at the end of the fourth quarter in a game in which it looked like he was gonna spike the football to stop the clock, but instead he's there's a

touchdown pass to mark Ingram. The Dolphins beat the Jets and the fake spike game and it's legend is born and your blood pressure as you said that, which just raising. I can see the vein popping out of your head. It's okay, buddy. You know, it's not often you get a midseason game that you know, we're gonna say, boy, what a game. But look, this play was huge for both teams and it actually affects the Seattle Seahawks and and the current uh in college football pro football. This

game had a lot of influence on NFL's future. Uh So, as we describe as I do it gritting my teeth, the Dolphins Jets. Dolphins win the game on the fake spike by Dan Reno and subsequent touchdown pass. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. How did both teams get to this point week twelve of the season. Well, the Jets had gone eight and eight under Bruce coslate in they had to win the final game of the season against

the Oilers to make the playoffs. The Oilers had given up right there, weren't starting Warren Moon, We're gonna start Cody Carlson because this game, if nothing at stake, the Oilers are going to the playoffs and the Jets lose twenty four nothing, twenty four to nothing. They don't show up. I knew when I saw Rob Moore in street clothes right before kickoff. I said, Ah, this, this is this

is not gonna happen. This. Yeah, back before you had all the insiders giving you injury and illness updates, long but long before this was all right, now we're taking you live. You're like, wait a minute, wait what. It was such a disappointing end with that horrible effort that they had, you know, with with the playoffs on the line. I was so disappointed. So were the Jets because they

fire Bruce Coslet and replace him with Pete Carroll. Hey, Pete Carroll getting his first NFL A coaching job with the Jets, and look, Pete Carroll was bringing young enthusiasm to the position. Remember the big controversy he had had while coaching for the Jets was he had made the big choke gesture when Pete Stoyanovitch missed a field goal for the Dolphins in the game and cameras caught him doing it, and he kind of had to apologize for it because I Stevins choked. But hey, as a head coach.

I liked it. You know, Pete Carroll was you could tell he had something about him. When he gets the head coaching job, he was a little bit different. He wasn't the Hey, we're gonna hire Bruce Coslet and Joe Walton all these other guys. No, he brought that youthful energy and enthusiasm with the team, and we started out

pretty good. You know, we're six and five and we're going into this game against the the Dolphins playing for first place in the a f C because the Dolphins were seven and four and the Jets are playing at home, and I'm thinking, hey, we're a pretty good spot right now. We're playing for first place and Pete Carroll has been

done a pretty good job so far. That's all you can hope to be is in the mix right in the first year of the regime, the especially with a coach who didn't have the long track record of success. This wasn't a hey, former Super Bowl winning guy. Everything more thin. So now here's his new challenge. No, Pete Carroll is still a rising name, but not a guy that was an automatic. Certainly not the Pete Carroll we talked about here in so being in the mix to

have a playoff potential is absolutely huge. So the Jets are going into this game led by boomeris Scias and at quarterback who they had gotten from the Bengals. Johnny Johndrian Morrel were the big running backs for them. They had robbed Moore, Art Monk, people forget Art Monk, all these guys that I think of in other uniforms. Oh oh yeah, yeah, every last one of those guys. Because you say Morrel Cardinals, Cardinals say Boomer Bengal uh and we had Ronnie Yes, yeah, I mean this is the

Jets team, right, Look Boomer. Boomer was someone who in the Jets got him. I was thinking, Okay, this is gonna solve our quarterback issues. And he played pretty well for the Jets. I mean, we're gonna talk about this game and he's a big part of it. But I remember being excited and then I remember thinking, Okay, we gotta get rid of Boomer, Like it went like from

hey Boomers, how we gotta get rid of Boomer. For the Dolphins, they come into this game feeling pretty good because Dan Marino had missed the entire ninety three season with a torn achilles. It was are most of the season with a torn achilles You know, uh he comes back in the Dolphins play well. He throws three touchdowns to beat the Jets in Week three. I mean they were rolling. Bernie Parmeli and Terry Kirby were okay enough at running back. Their wide receivers were Irving Friar, mark

ingram O j McDuffie. They were really solid coming into this game though they had lost two in a row. They lost the Bears, they lost the Steelers, so they're seven and four and they need something to go right because this is the first place showdown against the Jets. But still this is a pretty talented Miami Dolphins team. Yeah. When you go top to bottom and this is where you still had, you know, the receiving corps getting after

it for Marino. The offense, it's like we talked about with college football, al Right, You're you're facing an offense that does things that you're not gonna see a ton on the schedule. It's still most teams are run predicated. Men. Look at your Jets numbers with Boomer for the year played in fourteen games. He had seventeen touchdowns and that wasn't out of the norm. Right, we talked about the annual you know, exploits of Hall of famers like like

Troy Aikman and such. They weren't throwing thirty five touchdown passes. You weren't winging in around and so here's your big spot and you've got Marino back and everything's recovered. It was a statue anyway, offenses clicking just needed the defense to rise up once in a while, you know. And this is one of the biggest rivalries in the NFL. The Dolphins and Jets hate each other. Look, when Marino

retired or not. In Marino's final year, they needed the Jets to win the final game of the regular season, and they won, and they asked Dan, hey, would you thank the Jets for a win? He like shook his head like like you just asked him, hey, can you loan me five million dollars? Like he didn't you want to give the Jets any credit. These two teams hated each other, right, I told you about the Stoyanovitch. It was actually an extra point the Stoyanovitch. Dnked uh and

Carol makes the choke sign. They can't stand each other, and for me, I can't stand the Dolphins as a Jets fan. But I wouldn't have been that upset if Bernie Parmaly had a big game. So it was my first year of doing fantasy and I had Bernie on my team. I mean, he came out of it was my first year. I'm like, boy, I really want to win this game. But I wouldn't be upset if Bernie Parmerly played well. And I'm like, oh boy, you know something that every fantasy player goes through at some point

when they first started playing. And it's my favorite team and I have a player playing against him. But I was so excit used to get an argument with football players all the time over that stuff. I feel like, you can't be a real fan and play fantasy. And I would always use this argument. All Right, I'm from Chicago, I'm a Bearrass fan. Stipulate to that, Yes, yes, what do I hope if I'm a fantasy owner? I know

Brett Farve is thrown for three yards and three touchdown passes? Right, Yeah, so I draft Brett Farve and you know what I hope happens. They lose the shootout every Sunday, So as soon as they have a good defense, that's when I back off my Brett Farve and maybe I've got a guy that's just on par with him in my rankings and I go the other way. But it usually diffused things. Sometimes it would get me an expletive laden response and

they'd storm off. So good times. Uh dude. I I was so excited cause Bernie Parmley was like the third running back I needed. And I'm like, oh my god, he's he ran for almost a thousand yards, came out of nowhere, he almost had a thousand yards season. I was like, gay, Bernie part really Bertie Parvately, So I would have been excited at Bernie Parvaly had a big game. Instead I get the fake spike. So that's what that's

celebrating Bernie. There we go. So coming up next the drama that surrounded the fake spike, And there are some absolute insane things to think about when you look at the place surrounding the fake spike. What happened before, what happened after? We got that coming up next right here on Special Teams. I feel like I wanna fast forward Mike and and get just get past the fake spike. And I'm building up to it. We're gonna build up

to it. There's a lot of stalk about it, like, Okay, we just get to the fake spike already, because I just cant just get to it, my goodness, because you know it's there, right, It's it's you love all the different part a book or a movie, but you know where the plot turns because you know you gotta get there and you gotta work through it. And this is one where I mean, you really gotta work through it, Bunny, and I know it. It cuts you to the quick.

All these twenty five years later, the Jets actually start out big in this game, and they race out to a seventeen nothing lead. Right Brad Baxter runs for a touchdown. Boy, he was a touchdown vulture for the Jets. Boomera assize and throws a touchdown past to Johnny Mitchell. This is back when Johnny Mitchell was gonna be the next great tight end of the National Football League. They trade touchdowns. Mark Ingram catches a touchdown from Dan Marino uh and

the score is seventeen to six. Then Mitchell catches another touchdown from a Siasin. So the Jets are leading six and the third quarter, Metal Lands is rocking. I'm thinking, oh, we're gonna be in first place. And then of course it all falls apart, which is how it works for the New York Jets. Marino throws another touchdown to mark Ingram. They get a two point conversion, and this is when boomeras size And starts giving the bleeping game away. All right,

everything is still fine. See you see my blood boiling on this I can feel it rising. You're gonna, man, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Uh? As Siasin gets picked off, throws his first pick of the game that leads to the third Marino to mark Ingram touchdown, which cuts lead one. Alright, Jets still have the lead. They're driving. Then the size And gets picked off again for the second time, but the Jets force a fun Okay, everything is okay, we have the ball lesson three minutes ago.

Everything is fine. As Siasin is picked off again with two and a half minutes ago in the fourth quarter, and this begins the Dan Marino drive. He gets the Jets all the way down to the eight yard line with thirty eight seconds left in one time out. You've seen the play a hundred times, he tells the team clock clock clock. But he throws the touchdown to mark Ingram, the fourth Marino to Ingram touchdown of the game, lead

in the win. All right, now, there's look at that drive, Smith, to look at the drive seven of eight eighty four yards. They go down like like a hot knife through butter. Uh and just complete, complete, not taking huge chunks here more. We're talking eighteen four fourteen three eight. Keith Jackson, Uh, you know was in the mix there as as well a little bit earlier in the possessions. But Irving Fryar, I mean that your big chunk yardage was a past

to Mike Williams. No, not Mike Williams, if you're lost william Not that Mike Williams, nor the former wide receiver tight end from USC but the big plate twenty two yards. Otherwise, it was an awful lot of mark Ingram that you're looking for over and over again. And the ageless Irving Fryar got that whole thing started seven of eight man choke choke, yeah, yeah, no, no, I get it, No, no, I get free. Mcduffe caught a past two yeah no yeah, uh, little eff it is he would he would then, you know,

step into a bigger role in later years. Um, now here's here's where this play gets a little bit. I don't want to say it gets. The Jets get a worse rap for it than they do. But first of all, how about this thirty eight seconds left to go in the game. The Dolphins were on the Jets eight yard line, and they have a time out, and the Dolphins are thinking clock. I mean, just think about how it says.

Can you see a team with thirty eight seconds left to go in a game and they have the ball on the opposing team's eight yard line, they need they need, uh, you need to score and they have a time out and they would think about clocking the ball and giving away it down. But this is the way the NFL was.

But it wasn't you know, to the precision of hey, teams can get up to the line of scrimmage and spike the football in five seconds like they do now, which is something that Look, that's what Tom Brady and the Patriots never got as much credit for they were able to do. Is of all the big things Brady's done in his career, the way how fast he would be able to get the Patriots up to line scrimmage and spiked the football only a couple of seconds coming

off the clock. But this is that everywhere. Okay, let's all right, thirty eight seconds. Well, let's let's let's let's let's get some time to figure out the next play. Let's let's think about clocking the football, because this is a normal play. Teams would get up, you know, forty seconds like, let's do all right, hang on, we don't know what's gonna happen now, so let's make sure we clocked the ball and give up a down. I mean, it's in it's crazy to think that's the way it

was back then. Yeah, I mean, whenever you're in those types of situations and look, we see some crazy stuff on play calls all the time, you and I Monday and Thursday nights there, how many times do we just have this awkward moment of silence, going what is he doing?

And don't understand? And certainly clocking uh is never in the thought process when you've got that much time left and you never want leave the extra play right, either get to the field goal unit, or you've got time and opportunity with timeouts and others to stop the clock, that you do it. Uh, And set up your best play here. Uh it just took everybody by surprise, obviously, which is what it's intended to do. Thank you, Bernie Kozar.

But for the general football flow, I mean, it's it's something that I want the master's class on the down distance and hey, you know what, every once in a while, you gotta play that wild poker hand and that's what we saw here. Uh So the Jets kind of get a bad rap on this play because the way this play is presented has lived over the years. It's all look at Marino completely fools the Jets defense. No, watch

the play. Marino fools some of the players, but Marvin Washington gets his hands up, almost gets his hands in the way of the past. He's playing the snap right away. He's not fooled. Paul Frase, defensive lineman, is a half second and a step away from nailing Marino before he throws the pass. So it's not like everybody gave up. The Jets still had half the team to Okay, something's gonna happen on this play. And Aaron Glenn is in coverage on mark Ingram. It's not like Ingram just ran

by him, and Aaron Glenn is standing there. Aaron Glenn just happened to run to cover mark Ingram and he was wasn't facing back towards the quarterback. And Marino throws the bullet into the touchdown for Ingram. So it's not like the Jets all got fooled by this. I mean another half second, or if Aaron Glenn is a little bit tighter on coverage, Marino can't throw this pass. He gets hit, maybe gets sacked against Theri fumbles. Doesn't mean they wouldn't have want to winning the game anyway. They

probably would have. But still, it's not like the Jets all got fooled because you watch us and and they had to execute this pretty fast because the Jets still had a few players who were jumping on this play. Well they were actually off sides too, right, A funny thing in the play as you you've break down every man and you know we do our account and how many are on the field and all these other things. You know, they they defended. Uh, they just get the

good strategy, good execution by Dan Marino. Will give him credit for this one, right since he's always the at the head of the list of best and never have one. Uh sorry, second year ap here yea, thanks, thanks, he still had a good run. I feel bad on my heart bleeds. Well, this is now one of his crowning moments against you. I mean, if you were in a roll tape on his finest moment, I mean, this could be it, you know, and Marino you're right, you know,

you're right. This is Marino's I mean, look, forty eight touchdowns his second year, you know, rookie year in the leagu's or second year in the league, and then you know, you had this. It was I mean he threw for you know, three sixty in this game and four touchdowns and it was you know, not saying Dan Marino is in a Hall of Fame quarterback, but I always say, look, Marino's the top five quarterback, and we say how we see how great he is and how well he played.

But if he doesn't have this game and doesn't have this fake spike moment, is he is widely looked at as Hey, Dan Marino is one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL. This game had so much for his legacy because it was it's the like you said, it's the moment you look back at you can see all the passing titles, all the yardage, everything else, but boy, the fake spike game. In the year he came back from injury, he won the NFL Comeback Player of the Year.

Dan Marino was still Dan Marino, still had a few more really good years left in him. I don't know without this game, people say, hey, Dann he's one of the top five quarterbacks of all time. He's a guy that puts up a lot of yards. But this is always the highlight you see the first time you see Marino, it's him doing the fake spike and zipping that touchdown in I don't know that that's the case without this, No you mentioned it. It's a lot of yardage. We

talked about empty stats. Pick your sport, right, NBA players who are just scores, you shrug. NFL quarterbacks now that passed for five thousand yards, you can or four and then look at Jameis Winston in the thirty thirty year, or go through how many other quarterbacks who've gone over four thousand yards piled up a bunch of stats, but their team six and ten. NFL record books and the

box scores are full of them. Fantasy football titles for a few of them, I'm sure guys getting drunk uh and having big meals because of the success of their

quarterbacks there. But it's a lot of empty stats. And for Dan Marino, you don't want to go to that end with it because it's still you still appreciate the arm and his capacity to move the ball and make plays, but they didn't get over So you need a play like this and the veterans savvy or whatever term you want to throw on it to help build that legacy and legend now, and just to give you an idea of Marino's career here for the rest of the way,

his first four years in the league were incredible. Right, he throws twenty touchdowns when he comes in as a rookie, and then the next year it's forty eight, thirty and forty four. Right, Marino looks like he's gonna be unsta poppable. Well, he threw thirty touchdowns in this year. It was the only time he had done that since nineteen eighty six.

He had never again hit thirty touchdowns in the year nineteen eighty six all the way to thirty touchdowns, never threw for thirty touchdowns again after four never threw for four thousand yards in a year again, something he had done five times earlier in his NFL career. So while he still had pretty good years, they weren't. Boy, look at Dan Marino is No, he never really approached these heights again. And look, he played in big playoff games,

he was on TV all the time. Look, as I said, I think he's a top five quarterback of all time. He was so high profile. But without this to the rest of his numbers really jump out. He only made the Pro Bowl one more time, you know, and ninety four he made it in You're talking about a guy that made the Pro Bowl in his career and then eight three to eighty seven. So clearly the last half of his career didn't really measure up with the first half. Yeah, in the end, you don't want to diminish and and

reduce a career to a couple of moments. But we always ask for those signature plays and signature pieces to a player's career, particularly when we're putting them on these goat and Mount Rushmore discussions like we have all the time. For Dan Marino, you didn't have that right because even forty eight touchdowns, it's the aggregation of it There's no singular touchdown pass that really stands out from that year,

at least not to my mind. And that was when you know, my love of football as a kid and I was playing and running around and running them uk.

I mean, that was about it as as high as I ever was as a involved and had to really I do it for the job now, but as a kid, that's where the passion was really probably you know, hitting its peak point where I also knew I wasn't growing any tall or so my career wasn't going anywhere further than that slow of foot short not exactly the combination of success, but like you were eating all that stuff up. But for Dan Marino, I was like, why I had another big game and be like, all right, there's a

long throw insert receiver here and away you go. But here you had this indelible image X to your brain. That is part of NFL folklore. This was a play that Bernie Kozar brought to the team. Kozar was the backup for Marino this year. And then, like you've heard that story plenty of times, but it was great to hear Dan Marino talk about it. Following the passing of Don Shula, earlier this year, and that it was basically he said, listen, this game, we were down at halftime,

and Shula allowed me to do my thing. So I don't know if that meant he called all the plays, but that's why he liked playing for Don Shula, because Shula, when it came down to it, would let his best players play. You know, they practiced it all season, they did everything else. But when it came to put up a shut up time for this play, yes, Marino did it, but he didn't do it without Don Shula giving him the okay to do it. It was Don Shula saying, okay, this is the time to break got this fake spike

play and it was the perfect opportunity. And you see the relationship that the two of them had, where no matter what, you have a guy that throws the football a ton, and here's Don Shula, who never who came up. You know, throwing the football is not something he did all the time, but he knew enough this player is really really talented, unlike many guys I've seen, I'm gonna let him do his thing. But in the end, it was still Marino going, I'm not gonna go crazy and

go completely off topic and ignore the coach. You tell me this is the time for this play. Okay, we're gonna do this play. Yeah, because also remember the start of this game. I mean, you go through the play by play. He was awful early. They didn't move the ball for anything. Uh. The Jets dominated, Sorry, buddy, which is why I'm gonna call them out in a minute. Um. But yeah, giving him like you're you're the quarterback. You

go and and let's figure this out. And this one you're holding back right at the annexation of Puerto Rico. Uh from a little giants. Uh, you wait for that perfect moment and then you pounce and it's the Jets. Yeah, it is all right. So you know, I feel better. I got through that part of it. It It was okay, it was okay. I think okay, you know, you know, breaking down the fact that Jets really didn't relax on the play. I mean, I think that makes me feel

a little bit better, a little bit better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tiny bit about it. Find your wins where you can't even if the little ones. But coming up next, the staggering things that happened to both of these teams and some of their stars as the result of this play, It's special Teams with Jason Smith and Mike Harmon A. Sciasin gets picked off throws This first interception of the game leads to another mark Ingram touchdown makes the game one.

They drive down deep again and again Boomera Sciasin gets picked off. This puts the Dolphins in position for their famed fake spike drive. So now what happened to both of these teams and some of their big players following the fake spike game. Well, for the New York Jets, things did not get any better. Boomeris Sciasin was never the same after this game. He lasted one more year and he started twelve games going to and ten and

the Jets moved on, right. I think boomeros Sizens grew is over at this point, but he winds up back with Cincinnati three years later, and he starts five games after Jeff Blake gets hurt. You remember Jeff Blake when he came in suddenly, boy, Jeff Blake, he threw a great deep ball that felt like it hung up in the air forever. You know. Carl Pickens, Oh yeah, dude, I had Carl Pickens in Fantasy to man, he was a star. Uh so Blake, who was becoming a star

quarterback out of East Carolina. He gets hurt. Okay A Sizin comes in and in five games he throws thirteen touchdowns. Cincinnati's offense was great. They won four out of their last five. The bank has wanted him back for two more years. I mean, this is suddenly, here's Boomers, Sciasen's renaissance and we got Boomer, we got Jeff Blake instead.

He retired. His last play a seventy nine yard touchdown to darn A Scott to beat the Ravens sixteen to fourteen, and Boomer retired because he was the first of the can't miss analysts in the National Football League. Boomer had done stuff for different networks and some stuff for ESPN while he was playing, and it was he's the next can't miss guy, right, He's the next Jason Witten, Tony Romo. He's gonna be a guy that comes in and is the next big broadcasting star. It took him a while,

you know, he got fired by ABC. He heard stories he couldn't get along well with Al Michaels. And now he's rebounded and now he's been hosting a morning show in New York for a long time CBS studio analyst. He's been around and still continues. Is in the midst of a great broadcasting career, but it took him a little bit. He wasn't the can't miss kid off the go. It was Boomer's got a little bit of rough going here.

But he was that first guy, Mike that I remember talking about that and and seeing that he he was gonna be a star, gonna go right from the game into the broadcast booth, and the look when the broadcast booth wants you, and ABC wanted to I could go back and play football, maybe start, maybe backup Jeff Blake. Maybe instead, I'd go right into the booth. I'm gonna go into the booth, always strong on the mic. Body had taken a beating, so I mean, there's that right.

I mean, had a good long run, and this was quarterbacks didn't have long careers like that. I mean, you've got outliers and certainly guys that played through injuries. But at some point Boomer said, I'm done physically. Mentally, he'd been to the mountain, and with that renaissance, he knew that was lightning in a bottle, and that got a that U escape man, that Genie was out there. He did his three wishes and that was it. So and

Boomer was smart enough to see that. I know. I mean, you have that kind of run, thirteen touchdowns, two picks and the offense is ring, you're rolling up, get a couple of forty point games in there. It's like, well, I'm gonna keep playing a little bit. I still got it. I mean the Jets thing didn't, but I still got I can still throw the football. I'm sure he's had those moments where he always wonders what if right, but physically mentally may how many times do you talk to guys?

And we see it all the time, the rumors always thinking about retirement. Alright, then he's already he's already working that way. And for Boomer, maybe maybe he had that that epiphany of all right, see what I can do, take this last run, and then you go in while you're hot and a name right, because if he goes back to the to the bangals and he's scuffles and and now he's relegated to clipboard duty with Jeff Blake taking over again, I mean, that's it, right. Maybe that

sizzle isn't there and that job doesn't come back. Man, it's the Jay Cutler Christen Cavalery thing that that's playing out in me in the press. Man. Uh So that was it for Boomer. Like I said, he lasted a little bit longer and then moved on and had that great run at the end. For the Jets, well, I had a couple of stories that are so totally Jets for you. Pete Carroll calls the loss staggering. Right. The Jets collapse in December for the second straight year. They

didn't win another game. They finished six and ten. They were six and five, playing for first place. They lose five games to end the season to goes six and ten. Pete Carroll gets fired. Wait what are you doing up? Nope. Pete Carroll gets fired because of that collapse and is replaced by rich co Tight, who also turns out to be one of the worst head coaches in the history of the NFL. Gave you the gift of co Tight,

and here's here's why things are crazy Alright. Pete Carroll is replaced by rich Coe Tight, who was the Eagles head coach, but he was fired, but Leon Hess, Jets owner hired Rich Coe Tight because he said, I really start to desire more fun out of my football team, Like that was the exact quote. So he hires Rich Code type. Carol would have lost the most games to end the season at five except for Rich co Tight, who lost seven straight to end the season as head

coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and then got fired. So they Pete Carroll lost five games row to end the season. That was no good. We want the guy that lost seven games in a row to end the season. Let's get that guy that coming to be our head coach. He lasts like two years. He was the absolute worst. Okay, he comes in. This is the year when they drafted Kyle Brady over Warren Sap. What are you doing, Jets

fans are screaming for Warren Sap? No, no, no, we're gonna draft Kyle Brady when they had Johnny Mitchell, who was still a good tight end. Co Tight wins four games in two years. He was the absolute worst. At least there was light at the end of the tunnel because that's when they hire Bill Parcels after Code Tight goes one in fifteen, which, oh, by the way, we featured that season in more detail in a previous episode of Special Teams, Rich co Tight he was as bad

as things are, as bad as coaches are. O Tight was the way he was. He was terrible. He was the worst. He got run out of Philadelphia, and this is who we're gonna hire to come in. It goes back to the questions we ask in business, right in our own personal businesses. Whatever you do out there listening, and we appreciate you taking the time with us here on Special Teams, UH and Jason and I on our

work at Fox Sports Radio. Whatever you do. You know the office politics, you know the games that are played, and sometimes guys just interview well or there's some conversation from years before, and you're part of someone's framework of Hey, if there's ever an opportunity, let's take the shot. And well that's that's what they did. And the Kyle Brady pick is the one that that stays there and always

will be, Uh coming out of Penn State. But yes, he frequently shows up as a top ten pick in any of the worst tires across the Big four sports. They're all yelling SAP, SAP, SAP set and all the Jets fans of screaming sap sap uh tight end Kyle Brady. It's I mean, really, it goes back to the mel Kiper. It's clear to me the New York Jets have no idea what the NFL draft is all about. That sounds about right now. What about the Miami Dolphins. Well, a couple of big things coming off this. First of all,

what about Hero mark Ingram. It was his biggest moments in Super Bowl, very famous play when he gets through five Buffalo Bills defenders for a big first down in the Giants touchdown drive to help him win the game. He retires from the NFL in and now he's known as mark Ingram's father. However, it wasn't the end of drama for mark Ingram. In two thousand and eight, he gets sentenced to seven years in prison for money laundering and craud. He gets arrested when he doesn't turn up

and turn himself in in Kentucky. Instead, he goes to the Sugar Bowl to watch his son Alabama play Utah, the game that Alabama wound up losing. He wound up getting two extra years and got relieve he's from prison. A good dad, though, you gonna turn yourself in nope, going to the game. Okay, move though, turn yourself in and miss the game, or show support for your son knowing that you won't see him except on visitors Day for two more years. Oh that's a tough one, you know.

I gotta say, I don't know that. I'm gonna spend a lot of time thinking about that. But I think, no matter what, I would come down to less prison time being worth whatever it is. On the other side, I don't know there's anything I would choose more prison time over. I don't think I would money laundering. Where's my AMC show on his life? There is star of Big Time Games, Super Bowls, and he was in the

Fake Spike Game and all these other things. But you know, and Burman used to always say his name mark Ingram. He would always do that when he would make when you make that play, And you know, working at ESPN as I did in the midnight cause I remember working on a Spike day and I'm like, great, now, I gotta live this every day. Everyone's gonna make fun of me, is you know? He would do the mark ingraman that was a very big day for it, because you know,

the guy had four touchdowns and you know. The funny thing is that I never knew where that came from. And I said, why does he say marking All the other ones you get it like Tim McDonald has the ball. Yeah, I get that. I get a lot of but I go, why mark Ingram? And apparently there was a radio guy in New York who was legendary for the and I didn't listen to him. I think he was a talk guy and his name was Dan Ingram, and he would

always sign on and say this is Dan Ingram. And so that's where you know, Berman got that from mark Ingram. All the time. It's like, Okay, I don't get why he does that. But then I finally figured out why. And that was the half the battle. For the Dolphins, the fake spike games save their season. They won two of their last three to win the a f C East. Bernie Palmerly scores three touchdowns in Week seventeen, they beat Detroit. Then they go to the wild card game against the

Kansas City Chiefs. They win the game, but game is more famous because it was Joe Montana's final game in the National Football League. Montana threw two touchdowns in the first half than a chance to win the game late, but Montana throws a goal line pick in the fourth quarter when their downtown and Marcus Allen fumbles in Miami territory later in the fourth quarter. Montana finishes three four two touchdowns, two picks, doesn't matter. Miami wins the game.

They move on to the divisional playoff, where they lose to San Diego. That ends their season. But this was Miami. Hey, things are okay, Marino was good, but that final game, you know, look Montana and Marino, this big showdown. Montana's final game in the National Football League, Well they sent him into retirement. Look at that, sending him away like that. That that's really brutal and vicious from Montana. Well that's

pretty good though. I mean, he had a good run, and he took up a lot of my Sunday afternoons when I wished I was watching other NFL teams. Uh, he and the Cowboys monopolized all post Bears game him viewing for a young Mike Harmen. So there's some bitterness that still lives there. But yeah, I mean, we we

talked about Joe Montana. Those final two years in KSE far more successful than they'll be remembered because you just think of the oddity of him not being a forty niner, right, It's it's one of those reality checks of what happened to those end term forty nine or stars, is they all went and played somewhere else, many of them right across the Bay also, you know, just extended their career one or two years somewhere else, as opposed to what was the norm of how you played with one team

if you were the star and then you waved and went into a representative ambassador role. Nope, Montana off to Casey, you know, and and he's still this the second year he had with the Chiefs. He still had a pretty good year. He threw from it three thousand yards and this is back when you know you throw for three thousand yards, that's a big deal. You know, you throwing for three thousand yards back then is like four thousand yards now. And you know he was still able to

do it. But he clearly was not the same quarterback either. A lot of injury difficulties and he retires from the National Football League after this. You know, people forget, you know, when you think about the end of Montana, boy, it was Montana Marino was the final game in the NFL. Yeah, I feel like I need to now just talk about where he is now uh in that he does a lot of things about copper uh, and he's trying to sew you weed or at least make you understand about

the benefits of marijuana. Hey, everybody's got to find a way to make money. You know, Montana had big pay days, but not like some of the guys getting out. No, no, no, you gotta find and keep that money living. Man. Money's gotta be working as hard as you are. So that was the season, and that was the outcome of what happened because of the fake Spike game for both teams in the National Football League have a little bit Awhere are they now? Where are they now? All Right? You

you talked about the firing at Pete Carroll. Man, we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the domino effects of Pete Carroll. Right. You have the USC legend than the Seattle Seahawks run that continues as you and I talk here heading into the season, all based on the disaster that was the fake Spike. I'm gonna and you and and your boomer assize and torture with two more data plause from up we're talking about Boomer. I thought we had to turn the page, No no, no. I Well,

because it's it's the hammer to bring it back. He got James Saxon. Uh. He's working within the league as the running back coach for the Cardinals. Bernie Parmerley as well working for the Atlanta Falcons in the same capacity. A Rob Moore over with the Titans as a wide receiver coach. Gotta do that a lot of coaches, uh, it seems in this mix here Mohammed Oliver. His kid Isa is playing in Atlanta, So you got him. Aaron Craver. He doesn't do football, but he does track and field

in Irvine, California. He holds the distinction of being the only player in NFL history to catch touchdown passes from Dan Marino and John Elway. Again owing to that guys that just played one team. Now Elway powdered and was a petulant child. Uh. Guy said it, uh and got his way to where he where he wanted in the NFL. Uh. He gets a pass. He and Eli have gotten pretty pretty nice passes along the way for strong army. Uh.

And then I wanted to highlight Nick Lowry. He had been cut eleven times by eight teams before going to Kansas City UH. In his career UH and extending here, he was at Dartmouth Grad. UH. He was on Senate committees for Commerce, Science, and Transportation. That was his parallel life with ball, was doing governmental work. And he still loves doing that type of research. So you have fun with that, alright. Ready for my last boomer assize and kick to yes, kick to the you pick, just do it, alright.

To fourth down plays that are very important here. First quarter, fourth and one from the one Brian Hansen delay of game. Lowry twenty four yard field goal. Second quarter, second play, boomer assize and passed to James Thornton, former Bears tight end. He can't get that yard Smith turnover on down to no game, the tackle made by Tim Bowens. I mean there's there's fourteen points. I mean he got the field goal, alright, so that's eleven points left upon the board. Buddy, No

fake spikes should have ever occurred, I rest my case. Yeah, but it's the Jets. I think it was inevitable. I think no matter what, it would have happened. The Universe inspired what does the Groundhog day? Just keep doing it,

you get little lear learnings, but something still goes wrong. Uh, you know, And the thing is, look just for a couple minutes to talk about Pete Carroll because obviously you see the Hall of Fame career he has crafted, first building the dynasty at USC and now what he's done

with the Seattle Seahawks. You know, the Jets fire him, he becomes a defensive coordinator, and you know, he does pretty well for the next few years, and then the Patriots hire him as their head coach to succeed Bill Parcels. He got the Patriots into the playoffs his first year, but then they had a bad slide and he got fired at the end of Bob Kraft has gone on record saying firing Pete Carroll was one of the toughest decisions he ever had to make since buying the team.

So you know, listen, Pete Carroll still had proven that I learned my lesson with the with the Jets about certain things to do not to do, and how to run a team, picked it up a little bit better the second time around with the New England Patriots, and then turns into a dynasty that he winds up building with USC and suddenly you think he's gonna be there forever.

So again, like Belichick and like some other guys, sometimes you fail that first job and you really have to hope you get lucky and get another one, because if you don't, there could be Hall of Fame careers that we don't know about because guys started about poorly first and they never got another chance. Because look, would you have hired Pete Carroll after one year with the Jets in a big slide, after being six and five and losing the fake spike. No, you weren't able to rally

your team. Happen right, You lost your locker room or at least outside in That's what we would be led to believe is that after a crushing lost you guys weren't able to rally and it was your fault. Yeah, that was all their fault. Was all his fault, buddy. And then as we know that the wolves were knocking at the door at USC, and he veiled before that, came down uh and then headed to Seattle and then

didn't give the ball to mar Shawn Lynch. Otherwise we're talking about him as the top five coach of all time about that Jets legend, it's Jets Hall of Famer Carol Jets All of Famer Pete Carroll. And look, let's be honest. Remember the reason that the Patriots fired him is because they realized that Bill Belichick was going to be available, and hey, we're gonna hire him. And you know, look what he's done. So you can't say it didn't

turn out well for the Patriots. It was just boy, Carol did a pretty decent job that second time too, and then then it really clicked that third time around, and you know, just for that fake spike, maybe the Jets go eleven and five that year and Carol wins the Super Bowl and suddenly he's in his you know, twenty six year as head coach of the New York Jets. Well, you know, Bill Parcel, I should say Bill Belichick is also a Jets Hall of Famer. True, there's lots for

a minute. Oh you know, and anybody that's had spent any time with the Jets, you earned that Hall of Fame badge, I'll say, yeah, yeah, you spent your time with the Jets. Yeah, okay, you're a Jets Hall of Famer because I was a running joke, same as a jet. Yeah, that was running joke for years with the Cubs. Right, is that at some point all these guys passed through Chicago. Uh, but their fame and fortune and brilliance was somewhere else. You know, a lot of folks don't remember that Greg

Maddox actually won the cy Young before he left Chicago. Um, but they'll always just remember him as a brave here. Bill Belichick at least passed through the car wash that was the New York Football Jets. So that's not look back at one of the most famous games and one of the most famous plays in NFL history, the Fake

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