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Speaking of Cults

Chris Sheltonwww.speakingofcults.com
A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA and left-wing culture war issues. There is nothing off-limits but we always try to be respectful of the people involved even if we do not respect the beliefs or actions involved.
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Episodes

#342: An Insider’s Look at Scientology

For everyone anticipating part 2 of my interview with Katherine Olson, that will be coming next week. Instead, I have an interview with yet another Scientology insider, so much so that he is anonymously doing this interview as he is still a member in good standing of the Church. We go into some real details of the seeming crash and burn of Scientology right now. It’s entirely possible all of this could change, but right now Miscavige is making some pretty surprisingly poor decisions. Enjoy! The ...

Jun 04, 20221 hr 20 min

#341: Katherine Olson Escapes Scientology (Part 1)

This week I am joined live in the studio by Katherine Olson, a woman who escaped from the Sea Org a little less than a year ago and has a wealth of information and very personal story to share about her 26 years in Scientology. We talked for almost 3 hours and only covered about half the tale, so watch for Part 2 next week. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #341: Katherine Olson Escapes Scientology (Part 1) appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

May 28, 20222 hr 47 min

#340: Why Scientology Auditing is Bad For You

This week I am joined by Jon Atack for a detailed look into why it is that we think Scientology auditing procedures are inherently harmful to anyone’s long-term mental health and well being. There are few people in the world more qualified than Jon to discuss this with, so I hope you enjoy it! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #340: Why Scientology Auditing is Bad For You appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

May 21, 20222 hr 9 min

#339: Scientology’s History of Man and Mythology

This week I am doing a deep dive into the book Scientology: A History of Man and the mythology/cosmology of Scientology. It’s not a very deep well but there are some key concepts to go over and I think everyone will find Hubbard’s explanations of past-life horrors to be entertaining and ridiculous. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #339: Scientology’s History of Man and Mythology appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

May 07, 20221 hr 17 min

#338: Scientology, Danny Masterson and the Law ft. Phil Lord

This week I welcome first-time guest Phil Lord, professor of law in Ontario, Canada, to discuss the legal system, Scientology’s shenanigans in and out of court and both the civil and criminal cases against Danny Masterson and Scientology. This is a wide-ranging podcast and I hope you enjoy it! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #338: Scientology, Danny Masterson & the Law appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Apr 16, 20222 hr 2 min

#337: Will Smith, Scientology and Violence

This week I thought we’d talk a bit about Scientology, violence and Will and Jada Smith, former Scientologists and purveyors of bad vibes all over Hollywood in the last two weeks. The Scientology connection is hard to ignore but I take some time to address that and also then give you the added bonus of what L. Ron Hubbard had to say about violence (you may be surprised). Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #337: Will Smith, Scientology and Violence appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking P...

Apr 09, 202239 min

#336: Talking to Cult Members (Live)

This week we went live in our new studio space to give some information and tips on talking to people who have a very different mindset from yours. There were some great live questions along the way I also got to answer. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #336: Talking to Cult Members (Live) appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Apr 02, 20221 hr 1 min

#335: Cults and Emotional Needs, Part 3 ft. Rachel Bernstein

This week I am once again joined by therapist Rachel Bernstein, a long-time friend and associate who has been on the show many times and helps us this time dissect our emotional needs and how these relate to getting involved in cults and other unsavory ventures. There’s a lot packed in to this episode. If you haven’t checked out Parts 1 and 2, watch those first! Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #335: Cults and Emotional Needs, Part 3 appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Mar 19, 202253 min

#333: Growing Up in the Moonies (Part 1) ft. Jen Kiaba

This week I am once again joined by second-generation former Moonie (Unification Church) Jen Kiaba, this time to discuss her personal story. This is not for the faint-of-heart as there are details about child labor trafficking and physical abuse in this podcast, but this is as real as it gets when it comes to what destructive cults like the Moonies are doing right now to the children of their members and why they must be stopped. The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #333: Growing Up in the Moonies...

Mar 05, 20222 hr 10 min

#332: Cults and Emotional Needs (Part 2) with Rachel Bernstein

This week I am once again joined by therapist Rachel Bernstein, a long-time friend and associate who has been on the show many times and helps us this time dissect our emotional needs and how these relate to getting involved in cults and other unsavory ventures. There’s a lot packed in to this episode. If you haven’t checked out Part 1, watch it first! Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #332: Cults and Emotional Needs (Part 2) appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Feb 26, 20221 hr 3 min

#331: Being Raised by a Narcissist with Anna Dau

This week I welcome guest Anna Dau who has a story to tell of abuse and escape from an ultra-conservative family situation involving coercive control through religious belief. This is all too common across all landscapes, not just religion, and we hope that getting her story out there will help others in similar circumstances. The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #331: Being Raised by a Narcissist appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Feb 19, 20221 hr 46 min

#330: The Psychology of Coercive Control

This week I thought I should deliver a rundown on what exactly it was I have been studying for the last 1.5 years in the Psychology of Coercive Control program and what I got out of it as a sort of summary of the whole thing and what this means for my channel. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #330: The Psychology of Coercive Control appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Feb 12, 202257 min

#329: Cults and Emotional Needs (Part 1) ft. Rachel Bernstein

This week I am joined by therapist Rachel Bernstein, a long-time friend and associate who has been on the show many times and helps us this time dissect our emotional needs and how these relate to getting involved in cults and other unsavory ventures. There’s a lot packed in to this little episode. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #329: Cults and Emotional Needs (Part 1) appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Feb 05, 202249 min

#328: Cults, Education and Controversy ft. Jen Kiaba

This week I am joined again by Jen Kiaba, a second-generation survivor of the Unification Church (the Moonies) and a fellow student on the same psychology of coercive control program I am currently finishing up. We had a great chat this week about cults, the rigors of an academic education and a lot more. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #328: Cults, Education and Controversy appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Jan 22, 20221 hr 59 min

#327: Critical Thinking and Human Predators with Jon Atack

This week Jon Atack and I had a critical conversation on the topics of critical thinking, what it is and isn’t and the pros and cons of thinking it’s more than it is; along with human predators, a topic both of us are keen to educate about because we feel this is the way we can help prepare anyone to avoid not just cults but all kinds of trouble in life. Enjoy! Predator poster: https://jonatacksopeningourminds.wordpress.com/home/infographics-and-posters/ The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #327: ...

Jan 15, 20222 hr 4 min

#326: Thought Policing in Scientology

This week I did a rare live show to discuss some of the thoughts I had based in the research I’m doing for my Masters thesis about Scientology, confessionals and surveillance culture. In this show I walk through some basic Scientology principles that have a vast influence on its members and setup a mental framework of morality and control. In other words, this is how some of the brainwashing really works. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #326 (LIVE): Thought Policing in Scientology appe...

Jan 08, 20221 hr 9 min

#325: 2021 Scientology Year in Review

This week we are doing our annual Year in Review episode to cap off 2021 and begin 2022. It’s almost pure Scientology as we walk through the events and changes, good and bad, that took place this year and look forward to what comes next. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #325: 2021 Scientology Year in Review appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Jan 01, 20221 hr 23 min

#342: Scientific Literacy for the Holidays with Melissa Huff

This week I am joined by my beautiful wife Melissa to first share our Holiday Crack (a tasteless and yet tasteful joke inspired by Delicious Dish) and the mainline of our chat (at 6:26) about scientific literacy and our thoughts on what that has to do with our current and future situations and where we think we might improve. Happy Holidays and enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #324: Scientific Literacy for the Holidays appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Dec 25, 202148 min

#323: Walking Away from a Cult with Jen Kiaba

This week I welcome back cult survivor Jen Kiaba, who also happens to be doing the same Masters program I am in the psychology of coercive control. Jen and I talk about walking away from a cult and what that takes, as it’s not as easy as some seem to think. We go into what keeps people in and also I get to talk more about critical thinking. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #323: Walking Away From a Cult appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Dec 18, 20211 hr 32 min

#322: NXIVM and Its Aftermath with Sarah Edmondson

This week I welcome Sarah Edmondson – actress, author, podcaster and survivor of NXIVM – to talk turkey about her experiences and the aftermath of having helped put away the cult leader of NXIVM, Keith Raniere. She was on the front lines of the FBI investigation that resulted in Raniere’s extradiction from Mexico and ultimate sentence of over 100 years in federal prison, as well as his primary aides at the top level, all of whom we discuss in the show. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #...

Dec 11, 20211 hr 3 min

#321: Why Scientology Auditing is Destructive

This week I do a little compare and contrast between the ethics and core purpose of counselling versus Scientology auditing and offer some insights from my graduate thesis research into why Scientology auditing can be so bad for people. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #321: Why Scientology Auditing is So Destructive appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Dec 04, 202150 min

Cult Recovery and the Stages of Grief

This week we suffered the death of our cat, Seven, and this brought about some reflections about the five stages of grief and how they relate to my cult recovery which I thought important enough to share. I hope you agree and I hope that sharing my experience might help others with theirs. Here’s the article I read from during the show. The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #320: Cult Recovery and Stages of Grief appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Nov 27, 202153 min

#319: Critical Thinking or Death! ft. Jon Atack

This week I welcome back Jon Atack for another wide-ranging and important conversation about “stupid people” joining cults, thought reform and “mind control”, sociology, critical thinking and a lot of commentary on what all this has to do with you and me. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #319: Critical Thinking or Death! ft. Jon Atack appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Nov 20, 20212 hr 4 min

#318: Dealing with Cults ft. Jen Kiaba

This week I welcome Jen Kiaba, a woman who grew up in the Moonies, escaped and is now doing the same academic coercive control program I am doing at Salford. We have a very wide-ranging discussion about her own experience in the Moonies, how education has helped her in recovery and a lot more on coercive control. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #318: Dealing with Cults ft. Jen Kiaba appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Nov 13, 20211 hr 59 min

#317: Scientology ”Leadership” Training

This week we give some updates on Scientology on the legal front which happened this week and then we get into the subject of “leadership” in Scientology and how authoritarian attitudes are baked in to its DNA. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #317: Scientology “Leadership” Training appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Nov 06, 20211 hr 42 min

#316: The Rise of the Apostates (Academia vs. Former Cult Members)

This week is the beginning of a slightly new direction in my fight against cults and what may end up being a fight I continue into the future. That battle is against the outright refusal on the part of certain important social sciences and scholars to listen to or even consider the testimonials and information provided by former cult members such as myself, resulting in cult disinformation being propagated throughout academia. I feel this is important enough to share with everyone because I beli...

Oct 30, 202157 min

#315: Conspiracy Theories and Critical Thinking

This week I am joined by Ciprian Ivanof to discuss critical thinking and how it is that conspiracy theorists say they are using good critical thinking skills when they clearly are not. We dive into why this happens and what is going on in their heads. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #315: Conspiracy Theories and Critical Thinking appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Oct 16, 20211 hr 33 min

Sensibly Speaking Podcast #314: Navigating the Ex-Cult World

This week I took a break from interviews to discuss something important that I wish someone had talked to me about when I first got out of Scientology and which I’ve had to learn (as every other ex-cultists does) and that is navigating the world of the ex-cult community. It’s not for the faint of heart! I hope this podcast will help anyone who has ever felt estranged and alone in a community of like-minded people. I’m quite sure I’m not the only one who has had these issues. Enjoy! The post Sens...

Oct 09, 202141 min

#313: Aaron Smith-Levin for Clearwater City Council!

This week, Aaron Smith-Levin joins us to discuss his race for Clearwater City Council and why he is doing it, as well as what he expects to accomplish. He is taking on the Church of Scientology in their own backyard and daring them to stop him. Enjoy! The post Sensibly Speaking Podcast #313 – Aaron Smith-Levin for Clearwater City Council! appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Oct 02, 202156 min

Sensibly Speaking #312: Scientology, Stress and cPTSD with Ciprian Ivanof

This week I welcome back Ciprian Ivanof to help me talk about the long-term effects of continuous stress in the world of Scientology and how this creates complex PTSD and other damaging effects. This is the article we discussed in the show The post Sensibly Speaking #312: Scientology, Stress and cPTSD with Ciprian Ivanof appeared first on The Sensibly Speaking Podcast ....

Sep 25, 20211 hr 26 min
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