Welcome to the inspire people impact lives podcast. This podcast is for people who are looking to get more out of life by making an impact on those around them. Each week we bring you local influential business and community leaders delivering powerful messages to help you live a more inspiring and impactful life coming to you live from northwestern mutual Middlteon. Here's your host, Josh Kosnick.
Hi. Welcome to another episode of inspire people impact lives. Today's topic is the importance of staying true to who you are. Now, a lot of us have a variety of quote unquote selves that come out depending on the social situation, be at work, home, and friends all require a different song and dance, but putting on a different show for every group of people you encounter can be super exhausting and it's certainly not a good way to inspire people around you.
Would you place your confidence in a person who was so uncomfortable in the personality that they felt the need to pander to whoever they're around or whatever crowd there with or put your trust in someone who changes their views and attitudes from one setting to the next? This is why it's important to be authentic and to embrace your true self without apology. When you are authentic and value driven, you choose to align your actions with what you believe in.
Those who are unsure can find themselves in sticky situations. They don't know who they are or whom they're trying to please. This can cause them to continuously find themselves reacting to stress rather than acting in a way that is true to who they really are. You won't simply have less stress when you're grounded in values and authenticity, but you'll be able to handle it better because you'll be able to tackle it with clarity.
So today I have a special guest and long time leader in our community, Jim Tubbs, current president and CEO at State Bank of Cross Plains. Jim knows a great deal about staying true to yourself and being an authentic leader. Jim is one of seven children in a Sun Prairie, family that has a long heritage in community banking. His grandfather started in banking in the 19 30s before the great depression.
His father has served as the chairman of board at the Bank of Sun Prairie for 61 years and his brothers have all served in the banking industry. Jim has been with the State Bank of Cross Plains for about 22 years and since 2011, Jim has been the president and CEO. So Jim, welcome. Great to be here. Thanks for the introduction. Absolutely excited to have you on the show. There's a few reasons why I know you're a good fit for this topic, both professionally and personally.
You grew up in a family with seven siblings and grew up experienced the impact of your father and grandfather had on their communities, so I'm thinking there may be some childhood experiences that come into play when talking about your leadership qualities and we'll get into some of those, but then you've. We're also worked through many fluctuations.
The banking finance industry in previous years while becoming a prominent leader in the community and also growing a large family of your own with five children. So what character traits did you pick up being one of seven siblings growing up, by the way, what number were you in that chain? I was number six. You're a twin.
Yup. And so my twin brother got me by 11 minutes. So the older brother, uh, he's an identical, but he's the older brother of the two of us.
Gotcha. So what, what character traits do you think you, uh, picked up growing up being in the dynamic of seven kids?
Yeah, I think with a big family, the one of the attributes for sure is a, it's a team environment. It's a, there isn't any room for significant independence. Uh, you can't have this big ego and, and think that you're going to be catered to. There's just too much of us, too much to go around. So I'd say without a doubt, the team environment and great family values is what I get. I got out of the, uh, being in a family of seven kids
That was interesting. As we think about that, being on the younger side of things and being a twin. Did you ever, uh, an you know before the show you were talking about your only son that's not a twin because you have two sets of twins, which is incredible in and of itself, but did you ever want your own things to not be a twin?
Yeah, so in fact, uh, there are times that we talked josh, of, of being a twin is in itself being very special, being a, it brings unique characteristics, especially when you're an identical twin. And my brother Jeff and I are spitting images of each other, so that brought uniqueness to it. But, um, yeah, there were times it was, it, it got a little old always having someone in the mirror identical right next to you all the time being compared to all the time.
So this is completely off topic, but I always ask identical twins. Did you ever play any tricks on girlfriends?
Uh, the answer is yes. Um, uh, so the two big, a monumental moment, but, uh, just once a, in high school we switched classes, um, and uh, it wasn't for an exam, but we switched classes just to see if we could get away with it and that all went fine and then sure enough we switched dates once and uh, um, uh, I think we would have pulled it off all the way through the date, but I'm a one of us finally cracked and just break down and say, you know what, I'm not really that guy.
Your friend who is an identical twin. And I think very similar story in that regard. A personality differences do always shine through. Uh, so any challenges that you in defining yourself or, or trying to set yourself apart from your identical twin brother growing up?
Um, I think the challenges wasn't necessarily between Jeff and I. The challenges were, uh, the perception of the outside looking at us. Everybody expected the same results, have be grades, sports, a girlfriends jobs, um, given that you're literally cut from the same cloth, look identical. There was just this expectation of being I'm the exact same and, and that, that wore on us, and it really got to actually both of us in our relationship until about mid high school.
And, and finally at that moment we finally realized and said to each other, you know what, we're going to be our own people. We're going to be our own individual self. And, and, uh, we've had just a tremendous relationship ever since.
That's great. That's great. So your, your father and grandfather being in the banking industry. So I have a similar story with my father being with northwestern mutual for, that's all I saw growing up. He started when I was one years old and now I'm the oldest of four and my youngest brother is with me in this, in this business. The two in between are not. Um, but drawing from that, did you see, I guess what about your father and grandfather and banking drew you to the business?
What, what about it was it?
Yeah, without any question. The, um, first of all I saw how much they absolutely loved their jobs. I didn't see ever a time in my, in my father without any question is, and was that my entire childhood a workaholic, but I never ever heard him complain about his job. They actually loved their job as I do myself.
But um, so besides their passion for their employment, as you know, this topic isn't the difference of Wall Street banks and main street banks, but what I saw in them as community bankers and leaders in the communities they serve was making decision what was best for the customer and what was best for the community and they knew that the profits for the shareholders would follow. It wasn't, let's think profit and shareholder first and jeopardize customer relationships or community involvement.
It was just the exact opposite. And, and my grandfather monroe and my father Tom, a are a poster childs of both of that. Let's do what's best for the customer and the community first.
Oh, that's really cool. Speaking of, and I didn't prep you for this question, but uh, you know, with the floods recently here, I've seen a lot from you on social media. I think a really posting about some of the efforts that have gone into that on your side of things on the sate bank of cross plains, probably more than any other institution now, whether that's you're doing a great job or your marketing team's doing a great job or that's just the reality.
A, Hey, I want to commend you on that and be a, I think what you just said there about your father and grandfather has something to do with this. Could you tell us about what just went into those efforts and how you lead through that situation?
Yeah, without a doubt. Um, August 20th with a major floods that hit western part of Dane County Cross plains wasn't alone in that. Um, there was a real, just a ring of the bell of, of let's get out and help first and foremost for my. I say my staff, it's really my bank family. There's 200 of us, uh, my email to them that morning at 5:45 was be safe. If you can't make it to work, I understand. I don't want you to jeopardize your own health for that.
Um, so that already sent a message once we got to the shop, our bank in itself, uh, two of our offices were also flooded. Um, I just made the, made it very well known, um, go out and help others that need the assistance.
And immediately we were going out with bottled water sandwiches, uh, helping people dig out basements, uh, making sure that um, these are, these don't even have to be customers, these are just our neighbors, the people we go to church with and, and um, uh, everybody's saw that hey, it's okay that we give up on the bank for a couple of days and let's, let's get the community back in order.
And um, so it's walking up and down main street, walk inside communities and just saying what else can we do to help? And um, it was not about waving the flag of steepbank across lanes. It was, it was about doing the right thing and that's what community bankers do,
but what's cool about the is the fact that you don't have to worry about the flag and that you are of the flag, right? Those, that you're, you're providing help and people see you out there doing it. And that in and of itself is, I think, the best form of marketing. So again, commending you on that. That is awesome. Thank you. Uh, so early on in your career, were there instances where you would struggle with that a ever perceived worklife balance?
Trying to be the one person at home, one person at the office trying to be that leader.
Yeah. So this really hit home and I was so thankful that, uh, you asked me to be part of your podcast and being able to choose this topic because, um, when I started my career in the banking industry, I started at large corporate America banks. Uh, there was one here in Madison that I worked at for a period of time. And then for eight years my life, I worked out of Milwaukee at a large corporate regional bank. And, and, um, it was, that was really, it was a great experience. I learned a lot.
I'm very thankful for that opportunity, but I could not a balance that work life balance as much as I wanted to. And in that corporate environment, I truly had to be somebody that they wanted me to be instead of being myself. I'm perfect example. I remember I'm an avid outdoorsman, so I was going to go buy a truck, uh, because of a hunt. I've got a hunting dog. And uh, it was, um, very clear to me that that wouldn't be accepted in the environment that I'm in the work environment.
I had to get a four door sedan and it wasn't that they were paying for it. That's just what was expected in my position. And, um, uh, so, uh, it was, it was hitting home that, um, who they needed me to be and who I really was a, was a polar opposites.
And um, once again, I really appreciate the opportunity that I had, but, but um, the day that I got a call from a State Bank, Cross plains over 22 years ago, they say, Hey, would you consider coming back to Dane county where I grew up and uh, help us run a community bank. Um, I couldn't have been happier. That was absolutely fantastic. So yeah, there was that time and I experienced a trying to balance that and it didn't work too well. Soyoue drove a truck now, right?
I do, I, I, one of the first things I did is bought an F250 unfortunately now with five kids, uh, that truck went by the wayside right now too.
Well, it's amazing. So I have a sedan, but I have two car seats in the back of my four kids. And so obviously my wife's vehicle also has to haul the load the majority of the time. Yup, exactly. So that was a big decision point. I think we talked about this last summer when we have the opportunity to golf, why we're not going past four is the suburbans and that type of stuff. Were out of the question. You got to go to one of those church vans. All the kids let alone the luggage.
That's exactly right. So, um, what effects do you think, going back to that previous question in that more corporate job versus the state bank of cross plains what effects do you think that has caused? I think a lot of people struggle with this work life balance topic.
Yeah. And it's, uh, you know, sort of thread through this entire podcast to Josh. It without a doubt, the effect was, um, the sense of being genuine, the sense of being who you really are. Um, you know, you talk about personality indexes and, and you know, the crossovers of trying to be somebody that everybody else wants you to be compared to just being who you want to be and who you are. Um, I think to be a truly effective leader, to be a truly effective a communicator, you have to be genuine.
And, um, being in a role that allows you to be who you really are, a, it gives you the opportunity to have that genuine feel and touch, um, were, uh, being in an environment that, uh, isn't you, uh, there's no way you can be genuine and people see through that pretty fast.
Yeah. Or couldnt agree more could not agree more. I always tell a new advisors starting with us. Is that what's going to attract business to you as your authentic self? Yeah. Perfect. I agree. That's the biggest advantage that you have is not everyone can be a customer that whether at a bank or a financial services firm, it's what's, it's who you are. I was going to attract those customers or your tribe per se, when someone might be attractive in your world to a larger bank.
and some might be attracted to a community bank and to each their own. Correct.
Hey, without a doubt. I agree.
So it's interesting you touched on the work life balance as well because I, I, I don't believe in it. Uh, and I, I read Gary Keller's book, the one thing, if anyone hasn't read that as a phenomenal book, and this really put it into perspective for me was the Work Life Balance Myth, uh, because for so long I struggle with that because a, being in the financial industry, we deal with math sometimes and uh, I was looking at the 24 hour day.
So if you need six to eight hours of sleep, depending on the person you are, so you cut that off your 24 hours, your work at least seven to 10 hours a day. There's only a few hours at home. So I'm especially as you have kids, you have five kids, I have four kids. Um, you automatically know that and then their bedtimes earlier than our bedtimes and you only have a couple hours a night during the weekdays that your, your life's automatically out of balance.
And especially if you're striving for a big goal to get a big promotion to run a company, whatever it may be. That work life balance. For me, when he said that was automatically out of whack, it's achieving more or less of quality time versus quantity of time. It really puts into perspective and spoke the truth to me. So I hope for our listeners that they can find some solace in that as well.
Yeah, I agree. I think you hit the nail on the head. It's all about the quality of time and that's uh, uh, as I strive as well, uh, you're right, there isn't an equal balance when it comes to time on the clock, but certainly when you get the chance to make sure it's quality.
Yup. And for those that are maybe listening that don't have kids, it's the same thing as you have to have that personal time. Even if it's not with kids, maybe it's a dog or friends or whatever it may be. You got to have a personal time as well. So let's get back into, uh, how does one find balance between being yourself? And this is, this is kind of an interesting question because we have, we're all human beings, right? So we all have these emotions.
So being yourself, being that authentic self and then not acting on those emotions that you may have.
Yeah. So no, I think when, when people think of, uh, uh, emotions that are reactive, at least how I envisioned it, it would be more of the um, or your anger, you know, anger comes to mind immediately. Jealousy comes to mind. And, and so now you try to figure out, okay, how do I, how do I truly be myself on those types of environments or those types of situations occur and I think everybody can relate to the most part is, uh, uh, you get angry about something.
And in today's environment it's easy to fire off an email that's a way to vet or vent and not do it face to face. Then you feel like you got it off the chest. Well, I can't think of a worst way to address a problem. The recipient has no idea your state of mind. They're going to read into your emotion. You probably are going to regret that you did it.
Uh, so now to answer your question, Josh, I think, you know, one of the virtues of a is without a doubt, uh, patience, you know, you have something of that emotion. Take some time, you know, that whole thing of count to 10 sleep on it all. I think that's good advice. I think that I'm a, make sure that you have a sound mind so that when you are processing what's going on and you're good, then communicate that you're doing it
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I've heard that a lot. I love what you just said there, and especially with that email situations, I think we're, I've certainly been guilty of it, a or a text for that matter and, and no one can understand the context in which you said it. And especially now I can be seen as I'm a I'm a sarcastic person, so, uh, that does not read well in text or email by the way.
So I've had to learn to not send those things that I want to send a. But with the email thing, one of the tricks that I learned early on in my career when I was struggling with that a say angers my anger is my default emotion. Uh, and I've learned this with my spouse as well, is, uh, when we would argue she would cry, I would get mad, not because I wasn't sad about the situation or anything. Like that's my default emotion. Her default when she's mad is to cry.
So it's just a learning that about each other. But the email thing in particular is write the email, don't send it. Yeah. So you get a, you have the same effect, you're venting. But it's to yourself and now you don't have that emotional weight put on someone else, exactly, where it causes a bigger problem later. Yep. So a little trick for everyone that did truly does have the same effect as, as sending that, but not sending us great advice.
So, uh, I think as we find more and more success in our career and in leadership positions, sometimes we can find ourselves caught up in the constant chasing solutions instead of focusing on the process that manifested our greatness in the first place. And this can lead to a slight gap between who you think you are and who you actually are. So what advice do you have for our audience going through this to kind of help them close that gap?
Yeah. I think that everybody has to remember that a perception's reality. It's one thing if you believe and feel that you're, you're doing all the right things you're achieving greatness. That you're genuine, that you have the right leadership qualities, but if it's not perceived, uh, that those are all the right things, uh, you're not achieving what you think you are.
So I think it's really important to have sounding boards, have coaches, have other elements of, um, people that can be true to the question, can I do this better? You know, have it be a spouse, have it be a coworkers, have it be a, um, a peers. I've got some great friends in the banking industry, truly friends, some people might think that we're competitors, but they walk in the same shoes I walk in.
And so I find them to be really great friends, great sounding boards on how you dealing with this type of situation. And uh, so I think that really helps bridge the gap because you know, that people are already walked in those shoes. Maybe we had those emotions, had that situation and all we're trying to do is we're trying to become better leaders in the industry
I heard you say perception is reality. And that's, I've heard that over and over and, and I have a colleague here who repeats that often and, and it's interesting and we say it's somewhat sarcastically now because it's been said so often, but it is true. Um, so even if you don't believe what is being perceived about you or about a situation, there's some truth there, whether it's entirely true or some partially true, you've got to findout what truth is.
And if you want it to change, you got to make sure to change it. And I agree. And then you mentioned having some friends, which another word for that might be mentors or a board or board of advisors around you that can help you be a better leader, be a better a boss, be a better husband. Yep. Whatever it may be. Yep. I agree. So this wasn't on here, but I want to make sure I ask, how did you come to form that? Was it just through friendships?
Did you, did you potentially go out and seek others for a board of advisors for yourself or did it happen more naturally organic for you?
Yeah, no, it happened a little bit more naturally. Um, I was fortunate enough to at least be in a leadership role. I was, I was, um, climbing that ladder, quote unquote, in a pretty quick clip. And I want to make sure that I'm a, I was self checking on a how I'm doing and uh, so, uh, surrounding myself in that capacity I think was really worthwhile. I'm certainly right now, uh, you know, you've mentioned board of Advisors. I'd even take that one step further at the state bank of Cross plains.
I just feel so blessed to have a very vibrant board of directors. You know, these are nine business leaders, uh, of all different. We've got a great diversity of age. We've got a great diversity of thought. Um, and uh, um, they turned into a great sounding board of, Hey, I know that you people, you're not in the financial world, but you're dealing with the same type of stuff or how did you accomplish this leadership goal and things of that nature. So that's really worked out as well.
That's great. That's great. Do you also work with a coach by chance?
I don't know. I've heard of other people that
have, um, and I've heard great success stories. Uh, so, um, I would think maybe someday in the future of work that we talk about time balance, I'm trying to add another element of which probably would be a good step. I haven't pulled that trigger. Well, it sounds like you got great mentors and board of advisors as well, but that is something that I think are a lot of our leaders, including myself, I rely on heavily.
kind of like a confidant of sorts of that's been there, done that or has someone that you can maybe do those venting and frustration of knowing that it had been there, uh, to be able to guide you through it. Yeah. Great. Sometimes a father, right, exactly. Or grandfathered in that sense. So what would you say staying true to yourself means? Well, let me rephrase that. Would you say staying true to yourself means allowing yourself to be more vulnerable?
Oh, absolutely. Um, I was pleased at, uh, you know, you, you had that in this, um, you know, podcasts of making sure that people see how genuine you are. And I've used that word before. You have to be able to show that you're human, you have to show the vulnerabilities and, and, um, you become that much more relatable. You know, you're, you're not this robot that's just out there doing the right thing all the time.
When people see that, that you're human, that you have an emotion, that you're vulnerable. It just makes it a much more genuine. So is it okay to cry? It is. In fact a, um, I bet your next question might be when was I vulnerable and I'm sure. Thanks. I'll share with you. That's exactly what happened.
So, um, at, at the bank, we had a tragic situation last fall where one of our bank family members that was killed in a motorcycle accident two weeks after the accident, uh, we had already scheduled a all staff meeting and our all staff meeting about the 200 of bank family members show up. We have it offsite and, and, um, uh, you know, I could just sense that it was kind of the quote unquote elephant in the room, uh, is anybody going to talk about the accident? Is anyone going to bring it up.
And, and I decided to start the meeting by addressing it and, um, so I'll put a picture up on the, uh, on the, on the overhead and, and, uh, it just said, um, a let's take a moment. And I broke down crying and um after we got through that 15 minutes, we had a fantastic meeting. I'm a fantastic because everybody saw that sharing their emotion is, is part of who we are. We asked them to be themselves also at, at our business. And um, it's okay to, to have that emotion as well. You're
so right. And it's something that, you know, my father was not an emotional person for the majority of my growing up hood and it took into his older ages and he's not that old as it is. I call him old, but, uh, later on in his career for him to become more emotional. Um, but then particularly having grandkids, now he's become a puddle. But, uh, I hope he listens to this by the way, but, uh, he has an a in it.
What I noticed in those last few years running this organization was the impact that that had when, when he wasn't just the leader beating the drum, but rather he was human, but so your generation, including mine and in any, I think, male growing up nowadays, we're not taught that crying's Okay. Uh, so that's particularly why I asked that question because I want our male audience to understand that, that it is okay.
Where we are humans, it is an emotion to bottle that up usually leads to other problems.
Yeah. I wouldn't have to think that it would lead to additional anxiety, stress. Um, and once again, you wouldn't be able to reflect who you really are.
Yup. Yup. No, I completely agree. Um, so have you done. So the question is really around how important is it to know yourself what I was think is thinking is, have you done some self assessments or some profiles or anything like that that are of note that have helped you really know yourself and why it's important to know yourself that way?
Yeah. So I'm at our place of business. I'm sure many places of been they go through different personality. Um, uh, analysis, disc profiles, a predictive index, things of that nature, and, and that does a nice job of just reminding you of, of the type of person you are, but I think it falls a little short on I'm really pointing out your weaknesses.
And, and, um, uh, there is times when I go through that self assessment of, um, uh, trying to do the, I'm almost a postmortems type situation of a, hey, how could I have handled that better? What, what, what did I do say, um, that could have created a better leadership opportunity for me? Um, so understanding that I'm there, you haven't achieved greatness yet. That's something that you, I go after everyday of your life.
It's a matter of understanding that there's always a, I'm a way you can get better understanding your weaknesses. Um, and uh, then working at them,
there are those sort of crucial. We use profiles for recruiting, we use profiles for a leadership. Um, they're all over the place and what I've found, I am kind of a junkie with them because I feel like the more I know myself, the better leader I become.
A, and then also I think some of the best ones are 360 profiles, whereas people on your team are giving you feedback under anonymity so that, uh, so that you're getting real raw feedback, whereas they can actually, whether they need to or not unload on you or else just give you a really positive feedback about the attributes that you're, how you're showing up to work and how they're experiencing that version of you showing up to work. Right. I think the 360 ones can be some of the most powerful.
I agree and we will use those and then it's a matter of gauging how frequently you want to use it. Um, especially as you have some personnel changes, but I think that the, um, it is a great tool and use it a lot of different capacities.
There are a number of them out there, but anytime as a leader or if you haven't done it as a leader, I would certainly certainly suggests that because you get real feedback from your people that they may not feel they can give you a face to face. Right. I agree. And then you can now walk through that or maybe just walk through it with a business coach, board of advisors if you don't want to walk through it as a, as a team. So that's good.
So what, so what tips can you give the audience on how to stay grounded, be at highs or lows?
Um, I think the, a great advice. I remember my dad gave me a back when I was at a low point of trying to figure out a path, uh, was, um, you know, his philosophy at that time was, um, what the situation you're dealing with right now in six months from now will not seem like it's a very, very big deal. really what he was saying is, you know, time heals wounds.
Um, I think that the, the tip a josh would be a, there's highs and lows in the career and I personally believe you really need to celebrate the highs when you hit milestones. The milestones can be in anything. Have it be a financial achievement within your corporation or business. Have it be a personal achievement, uh, celebrate that high because there are going to be the, without any doubt, there's going to be the time again, of lows.
I personally think the thing that helped you through the lows is remembering what the high feels like and then working hard to get back there again.
Well, I'll just hit me between the eyes because I'm really bad at that. I'm always striving for that next thing and I think a lot of high achievers are, but I fail sometimes to recognize those highs
you hit. That's a case in point and I was reminded of this, I'm a years ago, is living in that moment, you know, um, uh, my older brothers and sisters, they frequently say, we wish our kids were still at the ages of your kids are we wish we had that time of, of running to volleyball, Lacrosse and basketball all on a weekend, to sit in gymnasiums and, and, um, that's just on a personal note, remembering a live for that moment. Don't, don't get so excited about what tomorrow can bring.
If you forgot what today has has to offer.
No, that's great. That's great. So, so with all this, you have five kids, you know, a loving wife, great business. Do you find time for yourself?
Yeah, I do. Um, I, I feel like I'm extremely fortunate. Um, the thing that, as I mentioned with my father and grandfather, um, I too absolutely love my job and I feel very blessed to be in that position, so that already brings peace of mind, but without any doubt, as much as I love my job, boy my wife and five kids are, are, are everything to me.
Um, and um, um, so the way I try to balance a is I coach every sport I can with all my kids, um, and uh, that forces me, um, just to, to be in the moment, you know, um, and uh, uh, so that's fantastic. But, um, uh, you mentioned about time to myself.
Um, so I may, uh, uh, uh, uh, bow deer hunter and spent a little time last weekend, uh, on the, on the standby myself and, and, um, that's a, a very peaceful moment, but I also remember that, um, uh, there's other things in life that I'm just so thankful for, have it be not just my wife and kids, but my, my family, my parents, my brothers and sisters and, and having great quality time with them is, is a, is what it's all about.
Yeah. There are some, some individuals in this office that were in their stands this weekend as well. So typically with our young kids are, I can do a the rifle week now, aspire to have some more of that. But, uh, so anything else you'd like to leave our audience on? Authenticity, being genuine, being true to yourself?
Um, I'd say, uh, one other thing, those are all really important, um, capture the moment to be recognized as a leader. Um, and how I say that is a case in point, you know, Josh was kind enough to ask me to be part of his podcast. What's the easy thing to do? Nope, I'm busy. I'm to be, I was asked to speak at a in business, a event in front of a couple thousand people would have been easy to say, nope, I'm busy.
Um, you gotta take some risks to get yourself out there to be seen as a leader and then show how genuine you are when you're given those opportunities.
That's
awesome. we're, we're sure glad you said yesterday because, uh, our audience can hear you hear another leader in Madison. I'm in another format, you know, intimate format though. They probably don't get to and can pause, take notes, reflect on the things that have the wisdom that you've dropped today, so really appreciate that.
Uh, so how can our audience, if they, whether they want to bank with the state bank of cross plains playing me a or get a job or just reach out to you as the leader, how they, how can our audience get in touch with you? Yeah, so certainly a vsa as a most businesses, uh, I tried to reach a broad audience. You, we've got our website, uh, which is, uh, SBCP at the acronym for state bank of cross plains dot come..
I'm me personally, I'm happy to share with you my email address, which is [email protected] Or reach out to me on linkedin. I'm a try to stay very active in that social media, a venue, and I'm a love to be engaged, uh, and connect with as many people as possible.
Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much, Jim. All right. Thanks Jeff. Really appreciate the opportunity. Thanks for listening to another episode of inspire people impact lives. If you've been inspired today, please share this episode with as many people as possible so that together our impact is exponential.