Welcome to Spacing Out with Phoebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode three, The Ties That Bind. Welcome back. I'm Baby and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out where today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you are new to the show, we will have a spoiler section at the end of the podcast where we are free to discuss future events. Otherwise, we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar
Galactica Season four, episode three, The Ties That Bind. This aired on April eighteenth, two thousand and eight, Written by Michael Taylor, directed by Michael Nankin. The survivor count in this episode is thirty nine thousand, six hundred and seventy six people, which did not change from last week, but there's definitely a minus one yeah. In this episode, more bloodshed occurs in
what becomes a Silen Civil War or the Demetrius. The crew's patient swears thin with starbuck Leo, Dama joins the Puma twelve and goes up against President Roslin, and Callie discovers the truth about her husband and the other Cylons then Tory kills Callie, making it look like a suicide. I'm confused about that, about how it makes it look like a suicide. Can't you tell who who pushed the button or did she push the button before she ran out or something.
I believe it's because she took her husband's keys and ran in there, so it was his keys that launched it. Oh interesting, Okay, pretty clever. Five check. Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand the test of time? What do you feel overall this episode? I liked it. Did you like the ending the whole? What? No, it's a good episode, but yeah, the I didn't really make me like it a lot too, I'm awful. Yeah. Well, the ending with
Tory and Calli is like, it makes it a really memorable episode. I think, yeah, because I can easily forget, like I don't even remember what happened last week. I feel like just a bunch of talking. Yeah yeah, but now I remember, like, oh yeah, this is the one where Tory takes out Callie. Um. Yeah, I think it was a good episode. I like it was kind of a little bit of everything.
We got some of the Demetrius story, we got some Cylon story, we got some politicking, and we got some some csiloning on Galactica somewhat some cilon Yeah, some final final three I guess since anders isn't there. Yeah, Andrews is busy for his wife. And we got some Doc Coddle. Oh yeah, so so yeah, good episode. Don't skip it. Trivia time? What facts could we uncover for the Ties that find? What do
you thought for trivia? Oh? This episode's title the ties that binds a reference to a Christian him Blessed be the ties that binds a Protestant hymn that celebrates the unity that comes from love. Why that's the title of the episode. I don't know. I don't either. Centrist scene wasn't even like any
Baltar storylines that was like messing around with religious themes. Well, maybe it was like about the Cylons going to civil war and the conflicts against each other, Like you had conflicts against Starbuck and the crew and the President versus Leodama, yet they're like altogether in their struggles. Maybe that's what it is. The weapons locker where the final four Cylons members secretly meets Marked one seven one D, which is the registry number of the starship Enterprise on the Next Generation
Nerds. When the Cylon fleet is ambushed by the Cavils, the Orion constellation can be seen in the background stars. Whether it's intentional or not as unknown, but it might indicate that they're getting closer to the Soul system that's where we live. Darbuck has the Aurora figure that she gave to a Dama in Maelstrom, and a scene in which he returned it to her was deleted from
the previous episode six of one. They're passing that little figure around, and then another deleted scene shows Chief Terrell strangling Callie to death in her bed. It's unclear whether this was a vision of Galen's or Callie's, or if it was like an alternate death scene that they shot for Callie. They just wanted to see her suffer a little bit differently. It's probably part of those visions she was having of him, like cutting his finger and licking her in bed.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's all I got for trivia for this episode Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments on an upcoming episode found us a little confused about what we're in the scene with Leadama and President Roslin. She seemed bothered that he knew about her plans to appoint judges or something. I didn't get it.
Also, like Leadonna had been trying to meet with her and she wasn't taking his meetings or anything, and she kind of shut him down in that core meeting. So he brought up this classified document that Tom's Eric had slipped him. I was like, Hey, you're trying to get more power in the judicial system, and she's like, actually, that's just the rough draft that I'm working on, but I do want to bring it up and put it to the floor. So like he pressured her to move forward with an
unfinished plan. Oh yeah, kind of okay. Oh. I didn't get the tension. I was just confused. It was a confusing room. There was a lot of people yelling. Like the guy he interrupted seemed like he had a legitimate issue to this uss. He's like, my people are starving. He's like, do you yield the floor? And he's like, sure, fuck it, we'll starve some more. We'll just be hungry or next time it's my turn. No, it was about her trying to put Lee
in his place. He's used to be in the top top dog, and she makes it very clear that he's a junior representative and does not speak for her. Yeah. I like the I like do we get to see some of the legal system on display, even if it was a little confusing. I like exploring that aspect of the show. I'm sure it's a lot of people probably find it kind of dry and not that interesting, but it'd be fun. I'd like to know just more about how things in the fleet work.
That's generally what I'm interested in. Yeah, they don't show too much of that. They're always on Galactica too, so it was a nice change of pace to be in a different ship. It didn't look like a like an airplane like it normally does. Though, It's like it caught fatter the ship itself, you know. Yeah, it's because normally I wouldn't I see it. I feel like it looks like an airplane, but this time it didn't look like an airplane. Just part of it kind of did, the
window parts. Then it got thick. It was interesting to see their political shiite. What else do you want to talk about? I want to talk about how number six had to say please, Yeah, they've given the Centurions free will and now she can't just give demands. That was pretty good. And then they like zoomed in and they kind of looked back at her like,
bitch, butter, put some respect on my name. Like someone online pointed out that the Centurions, now that they've had that inhibitor removed, like they're all a lot more shiny and like glossy, like they care more about how they look or something. They oiled themselves up. Yeah, Usually they're all like kind of dull, dingy and banged up, and those guys were like shin of fresh coat of wax on them. That's interesting. They did
look a little different. It was interesting that they got lured into a trap too. I don't know where they were going. They were going to wherever they had to go to get Dianna unboxed. Oh so Cavill's like, hey, meet us here, and then the resurrecrection ship didn't jump with them, and one of the is it, what's boomer? She's a four, she's an eight, she's an eight. Her turncoat felt real bad because it seems like she has some like moral like dilemma with doing that, yeah, because
that's taking out all the other number eights. We won't be all of them, but well they won't resurrect. Yeah, and it's like this final death that sucks. I wonder if the final four that were on Galactica, if they have their own resurrection ships somewhere, because nobody knows who they are, so who's in charge of their resurrection ship if they have one? We can put a pin in that for a spoiler section. Okay, cool, we'll talk about did you believe Tory wanted a fuck Chief in the in the bar?
Yeah, well we saw her see Allie's reflection, so it's like she saw Callie walk in. That's when she starts like touching Chief's elbow rights to make it less suspicious maybe or more suspicious, more suspicious she wanted to kill Callie. I don't get it. Tori is just embracing these new feelings and who she is and kind of I don't want to call her like the villain,
but she's kind of moving into that role and inviting the chaos. Okay, she's like liberated, like she knew she was fucking with that relationship in that moment that's why she asked her you and callie happy. Okay, Well, Tori's interesting for sure. I think her character has definitely developed some nuance to it. Yeah. I think she's the most interesting of the cylons right
now, just because she is embracing it in a way. Yeah, like she's moving and shaping things and learning about herself and forming new beliefs, hooking up with Gaius, fucking with Chief it's interesting. And then killing Cally like that was crazy. Yeah, but I think it had to be done because she was gonna like tell on everyone. Well, no, she wasn't.
She was gonna murder, suicide herself and her son. Oh yeah, but le Okay, so I guess so, like that's a whole thing of like maybe you could chalk it up to the drugs she was taking, but like it's like all of her dumb decisions of like I'm not gonna tell anyone, I'm just gonna run straight to this airlock airlock, And yeah, she hasn't been making the best decisions. Her throwing up at the bar was the funniest
thing. She throwed up on her baby probably, like that's awful. Usually it's the other way around where your toddler, your baby throws up on you, But no, this mommy's special. She's gonna throw up on her baby at a bar. She's not making any sense, and I think um Doc Coddle has like his suspicions about her, like in her state of mind. Yeah, so that probably made it really easy for Tory to cover up what she did. Yeah, she's having trouble sleeping. She's trying to get medicated
for that. And she said she was taking antidepressants. Yeah, and he said he's going to open an opium den so she can take a nap. And it's like he kind of understand, like you're not in a great shape, but he's also like against chief when he's like when she tells him like I think he's having an affair or whatever, and he's like is he hitting you? Like because he doesn't forget that she got the ship beat out of him once. Yeah, and she even mentions it like what kind of loser
marries the guy that fucked her up? Which I don't think we should victim blame, like it's not Callie's fault, but it just sucks, Like her situation is just terrible. Yeah, And I always feel like once Callie and Chief get together, we don't see like a lot of the good part of their relationship, right, which I'm sure is there. It's just like whenever they choose to focus on their relationship is when they're having problems rights all the
time. Even on New Caprica, they were always like upset at each other. Yeah, which sucks because I feel like a lot of fans like just found her like a really annoying character. Okay, I'm not the only one. Like That's how a lot of people felt about her, And unfortunately, I think a lot of people were happy to see this episode. That's awful, it is, but I think it's a result of the way they being written and yeah, not getting to see other aspects of her. Yeah,
she's just like a nagging wife. Yeah, what can you tell me about Callie except for that, like what her job is and that she's a wife and mother and she's barely doing that. Like when we see her, she's like just yelling at Chief all the time, Like, and don't forget to tell him that he's allergic to the algae. That's all we have is algae. Pack him a lunch then, girl. But it would suck because basically, It's like in this episode we kind of see more of her, like
dealing with being alone a lot, almost like a single parent. She can't rely on the chief for any like being a steady support system for her, and so what does she have. She's just all by herself with her kid. And when she finds out that the only person that she could put her life and trust of is a fucking cylon, she like breaks. That's sucks. Ye. And I was surprised to see Tori follow her but not her husband into the airlock. He was unconscious. Oh I didn't see that part.
She took him out with that wrench. Oh yeah she did. She beat the shit out of him. Okay, yeah, I remember now. And Tori's the one that saw the panel removed outside the weapons locker. So yeah, I think Tory puts it together. She's so smart and you know, you can seeing that Kelli was like going to kill herself and her son in a certain way, Tory saved the son's life. She did. She also had the opportunity to save both of them and chose to kill Callie.
I would have killed Callie because she knew too much talk. Yeah, I know it wasn't random that you Yeah, also that the meeting they had in the weapons locker, all they talked about was like, hey, you guys can't be meeting in public. We can't have scenes like that. Okay, that's all I have to say. By Well, no, it's cut short by that bump in the night, that bump in the walls. There was like nothing of substance in that meeting. Can't be walking around like skin jobs.
If ty wouldn't have showed up, it would have just looked like a rendezvous between two lovers. But when he showed up, he threw the wrench in the whole plan. She's like, oh my gosh, he's having a three way affair. That burry man. I know what Colonel Tye looks like in a tank top, Okay, and it's not cute. It's a lot of hair. Do you want to talk about Starbuck and her crew? Sure, her crew hates her, Yep. I don't think anyone except for Andrew's
volunteered for that mission. I guess Halo Halo wanted to go. Yeah, and Halo's kind of standing up for her, but he's also like a damnit Starbuck. She's not making an easy for him. No. And then the weirdest part was when she is in her bunk or I don't know if it shared quarters because there was multiple little beds or because it was like a little bed in a nook and she was painting that nook. I would assume that, like all these ships would have like a captain's quarters. Yeah, even
the sewage ship. Who knows. But the fact that she had this really bothered me. She had like three to five just open paint cans on a mattress, no tarp, just mess. She's such a mess. And I don't know what she's painting exactly. Maybe it was like her vision of Earth. Yeah, I think she's painting for the like the star cluster that she's looking for. Yeah, well, it's it's like over the bed, girl, you're gonna drip paint all over your sheets, and paint's not comfortable.
After it dries, it's plastic. It's gonna be really stiff. Speak Anders comes in and he's like, you're messing up this whole mission, and she's like, why don't you frack me right now. That's like after she says one of the meanest things to him that she married him because it was easy. Yeah, and he was pathetic enough to go along with it. But now and he's still kind of pathetic because he goes along with her like wants and needs. Anyway, I think he's also like confused because he's a cylon
And it's interesting to see them interacting now that he knows. And after they're done, she even mentions like, that was weird, feel like you like I was here and that was that must be insulting. I wouldn't feel good if someone's like I was like off in another place, like I was watching us do it instead of being present with this situation. Also, your spine was glowing? What was up with that? I'm telling you they shouldn't have
included that in that first episode. But yeah, I feel like Starbucks is really taking advantage of Wanders. Yeah, he kind of seems like a dog that's not going to leave her side. He's too loyal. She's very indifferent to him most of the time. Yeah, it's sad. It makes me not like her in certain situations because she's just using him and then like he's in that ship full of people that like can see this relationship, Like she's not giving him the time of day. Yeah, treating him like a subordinate.
I mean he is a subordinate though, he's just a nugget. I don't know why he signed up for this mission because he didn't want to watch her leave again, that's what it's cute, Okay, Yeah, the poor Hoders. It just makes me feel bad for him. What do you think um Adama told Chief about Callie? He had to break the news, like he was the person who has to tell him. How did they find out? Like it would have taken forever to find out, like Chief would have
had to report, Like I haven't seen Callie in a while. She beat the shit out of me. I don't know why or when the airlock goes that does that noise trigger somebody like I would say, like the system probably notified that, like the airlock was used, um, and it was his key that used it, so they went to check on him. Um. I don't I don't remember exactly what happens with like what Tori does next. Well, you're not gonna spoiler it, yeah, and I can't spoil.
I don't remember the details. But I'm just thinking out loud that like maybe she left the kid right there, oh, the baby outside to make it look like Callie left him right outside the door. Yeah, and take kid with me. Also, like Kelly's last decision to hand the child through the Cylon, it was just the last bad decision and the string of bad decisions. Yeah, I was really surprised when she did it. And Tori's strong too. She's got that cylon strength. Did they unlock that as they found
out? It must have or else She's just been really strong her whole life. I've never thought about she's like not having to be like an aid to the president, which she hasn't been doing her job lately, not that I've seen. Yeah, I don't know. Does she go on a ship? Is there like a freight ship or like a fairy ship that goes from the political ship to the Galactica like every hour so she can like cop on and come in and get her drinks and hang out in the evening and then go
home. Where does she live on Galactic Yeah? She must live on Galactica. I mean she's always there. Is there, She's with Baltars, she's meeting with the other Cylons. The President's living on Galactica. I don't know. We never see her quarters. We've seen almost everybody else's quarters except hers, because Anders lives with the Nuggets and Colonel Tie has his own area that
he used to share with Ellen, and now he's alone. Chief. We've obviously just seen him get the shit beat out of in his own quarters. Yep. And who else is there? Is that them? Yeah? I mean Adama obviously, as was Big Quarters. Yeah, Adama. I wonder where Leah Dama's living now. He moved, because that's the whole movie. The whole last episode was about him moving. He packed up, and I don't know he's living somewhere. It was nice to see Tom's Eric again.
Yeah. And he's always working angles. Yeah, he's always got something going and his job is to bang that gavel order. He pained that thing so much, so many times and it didn't matter. Yeah, anything else we need to cover. I'm good. I think we got it all all right. Then let's move on astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode. Do you have anybody in mind for astral Queenna? Do? Tori? I was wondering if you're going to do that. She's strong, independent,
she's stirring the pot, she's looking good. Yeah, are you going to give it to Tori does seem like she's enjoying herself more than we've seen her before. I was thinking of giving it to Doc Coddle, Oh you're Fraive's for his bedside manner. He made her laugh probably the last time she left in her life, right. I feel like that was the one moment
in the episode where Kellie got to feel sane um. But yeah, I like that he was both like kind of tough on her, but also like was listening to her concerns and was genuinely concerned that if she was getting abused or not. I think he was. He was really good in that scene. All right, So Tori and dot Cole are the Astral Queens for episode three. That brings us to the end the main part of the podcast. We will now move into the spoiler section. If you don't want to be
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Spoilers In five four three two one oh, this was the last appearance of Cali for obvious reasons of Silo. She's not coming back as a silent. I feel like we will see like her in some archive footage flashbacks. The Chief Tyrrell process is this, but that's her last episode. And then I mentioned in trivia that we saw the Oriyan constellation, and as we move forward in the series, we start to see other familiar constellations more frequently as
we move closer to Earth. And then you you were asking about the Final five resurrection stuff. Yeah, we're your ship. So Cavill has a ship where they where they resurrect. If I remember, I think they have like all five of them in one room and there's just a Cavil. They're like managing that because no one else is involved in that whole situation. Yeah, I think there was five of those resurrection tanks. Kind of in my head, it looked like the sleeping pods in Dullhouse. Do you remember that how
they were all on the floor vaguely. We should watch that again. Yeah, later this season we will get to see Ellen Tie wake up and she's just been hanging out with Cavill this whole time. But when she wakes up, she has all of her memories back of prior to be being put on Earth as Ellen. I any other simon or other questions. Who is the civil war? I mean, does anybody win a civil war? Yeah, there's winners and losers. You don't remember, It's okay, I don't remember
the details of how it plays out. But the Sixes, Eights and Leo Beans they kind of up allied with the Galactica, so yeah, interesting, and the number threes they do get unboxed, so yeah, I think next episode we'll see how that attack played out. Okay, I'm excited. I don't remember. I mean, they don't resurrect. Yeah, they don't all die. I'm sure did they all jump at once? Or I wouldn't have sent my full force like to follow them right away? Yeah, they really
didn't. They trusted Cavil a lot. You must have been doing some really good acting there, because he made it clearly he was not happy about the decision. It's also interesting that all those base ships have the hybrids on them that control all the functions, so it's interesting the hybrids are like willing to fire on the other Cylon ships like that. I don't think they care. I don't think the hybrids have the same will that the cylons have, like
even the Centurions now, which is sad, but we'll see. I'm really interested to see Anders's journey into the hybrid life, how he gets into the fold, how they recruit him. I don't know, biggy volunteers. I don't know. I don't know how it works. I forgot when day he just starts losing his air. He decides to take a bath one day and never gets out of the tub. Could you imagine what the bathtubs on the Galactica would look like? Very rustic mettle. Yeah, all right, well
that was the ties that bind. Thanks for joining us. We'll be back next time. We talk about escape velocity and stay out of those airlocks. Yeah, and don't hand your babies to cylons. So say we all thank you for spacing out with Bob and Jason. You can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive rating or review. Next time we will cover Battlestar Galactica season four, episode four, Escape Velocity. We hope you will join us, so say we all