Welcome to Spacing Out with Beebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four episode fifteen, No Exit. Welcome back. I'm Bbe and I'm Jason, and this is Spacing Out or today we will be discussing Battlestar Galactica. If you're new here, welcome. You should know we're gonna have a spoiler section at the end of the podcast where we are free to discuss any future events, but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar
Galactica Season four episode fifteen, No Exit. This originally aired on February thirteenth, two thousand and nine, was written by Ryan Modishard, directed by Gwyneth Horder Peyton. The survivor count in this episode was thirty nine thousand, five hundred and fifty six, which is down forty seven from last week. A lot of people were lost during the revolution. Yeah for the coup. It's
only a revel solution if it succeeds. Oh okay, Yeah the Kuba In this episode, after resurrecting from her death on New Caprica, Ellen Tie is held captive by Cavil aboard a base ship Boomer eventually freeze Ellen and the two escape on a raptor on Galactica, and There's undergoes emergency surgery and begins to recall the truth about the Cylon race. Funeral informs a Dama about the extent of Galactica's damage, and rosalind Lee discuss how to begin rebuilding the civilian government.
Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand the test of time? All right, vibe check. I feel like it was pretty boring compared to the last two. It's definitely a change of pace from the action packed insurrection episodes. Yeah, it's very much like an information dump, giving us a lot of backstory, and you know, I don't hate it. I like learning about the lore the Cylons, but it is like it's a lot and it's not that well balanced it. Yeah, that's
kind of basic. And we had Ellen doing a lot of like exposition, and then we also had Bonders doing a lot of exposition. It was just like so heavy on the Cylon lore that I was just like over it. I'm like, who cares? And they didn't even explain that stupid song. Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it, just feels like a lot of a lot of B stories with no a story going on. Yeah, I just I don't hate it, but I don't love I wasn't excited about it. I wasn't engaged. It was easily it was something that I was
easily distracted for, like there's more interesting things happening on my phone. Last episodes, I like put my phone down. I was like, wully there, So it just yeah, I like zoned in and out, like I was just like not feeling it and then there was Yeah, it was just not for me. I could have skipped this EPISOD so it had been totally
fine. I'm glad we know what happened, Honors, but may Yeah, I mean I don't know that it's skippable in the long run, because yeah, I mean you'd be a little lost if you've skipped it, just with Ellen and what's going on with the Galactica and that stuff. But yeah, so it's not really filler, but it is a definitely it's a different episode and it's a different pace, and I don't like the change of pace personally. Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for no exit? Any trivia
for this episode? Yeah, so we got A new intro sequence has made for this episode to set up that this is a Cylon focused episode. No Exit is also the title of a nineteen forty four existentialist play by Jean Paul's Sartre. The story references three people who are trapped in hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. The play contains a notable line,
hell is other people. I like that. That's pretty good. Some of the ramblings from Anders are from the sixteen sixty seven epic poem Paradise Loss by John Milton. The poem concerns the biblical story of the fall of Man and the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Pieces of Ellen's story were originally going to be told alongside the Insurrection arc. Did that kind of makes more sense? Like pacing wise was like, Yeah, you could have had more balance,
but it might have taken away from how awesome those episodes were. Yeah. The backstory of the Cylon Daniel was created to explain the numbering issue with these Cylon models. So Sharon was numbered eight before the concept of the Final five was conceived, and thus they needed to explain why there are only seven models of the human cylons. They couldn't squeeze one more in, well,
then that would make the total thirteen. And they said there was eleven or what they said, there's twelve from the very beginning, so they numbered them wrong. Yeah, because originally they thought like, we're just going to have twelve models that all have a number, and they gave Sharon number eight, and they had number six, and they eventually filled in the other one through thirteen twelve five, so they had they had one, two, three, four, five, six, and eight and then they had the final five.
So all of those out of the twelve, but we're missing number seven. Oh okay, So they couldn't just say there was a final four. We could have gotten rid of Tory or something just saying leak. No. The writers also thought it made a good character point for Cavil to have had him eliminated one of his one of his brothers, kind of making a Cane and Abel type thing. All right, all right, that brings us into the okay boomer part of trivia. Okay boomer, let's look at any connection
to the original Battlestar Galacticas series. So Daniel is the name of the main character on the prequel series Kaprica and is the creator of those centurions. And Anders says that the Cylons had developed the hybrids and then stop the war so they could focus on building the humanoid Cylons. This is a key element element
in the Battlestar Glack. To get a prequel Blood and Chrome, which documents young William Adama's experiences during the First Cylon War, they get a Mexican or a brown person to play him as a young adult or a young person. I think so. See, I put blue contacts on them, motherfucker. They would have to. Yeah, Luke Pasqualino, Okay, does he look like a young Edward James Almos? I don't know. No, No, a young Edward James Almos still looked like Edward like he does when he's old.
He like hardly aged. Yeah. So the episode kind of ties into a couple of these prequel series that come out, which I do think will cover at some point, but probably not right away, and maybe not every single episode either. Just thoughts Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments on an upcoming episode let's dive into this book of an episode. Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like I don't even know. I guess. The first thing we see is Ellen and do Yeah, we get kind of a unique opening sequence that leads us right into her like death and rebirth. It was nice to see her life kind of flash before her light, like her eyes or whatever. Ye as she reawoke and then she's fucking freaking out because old Ellen is still like on the surface. And then as she kind of settles into like where she's at, she realizes who she is and she starts talking to the
Centurion and being like, you can help me, It's no problem. You know him on bro. Then I guess through her scenes we learn kind of about her dynamic with Cavil, and we get all this backstory about what Cavil did and what his kind of motivations are. He hates that he was designed after humans. He hates his goofy eyes. Yeah, he hates the limitations of He's like I want to smell gamma rays, I want to fart sequence like calm down, I want to take a ship in the black hole.
Yeah, but yeah, he was just like super salty that he has to poop in a toilet and he has regular vision. Yeah, And Ellen is calling him out for trying to say that he's such a like an advanced perfect machine capable of you know, everything, but he's so driven by human emotions of vengeance and rage and jealousy. And he called it justice, which I
thought was like, yeah, sounds familiar. Yeah, and we've all we've seen that, Like Cavill's been kind of the leader of the cylons, but we really see that, like this is all like his personal vendetta that he's kind of got everyone following along, and Sharon is part of it, Like, and I like that they introduce her as like his most devoted follower and then that she slowly learns who he truly is, and she she changes her mind about him and who he what her role isn't it? Which Ellen pointed
out, like you do you want to be on this side? Do you want to like really go down in history as being on this side? And I think she changes her mind rightfully, So Yeah, and that's a that's Boomer specifically. Yeah, all the other Sharons are not part of that group, right, She's like the lone Sharon who went against everybody when they did that vote and it made everything kind of off kill her and she kind of helped start that civil war between the Cylons. Basically, whoops, and now
she's change Gina Ryan. Whoops? Did I do they? But that I thought that was really interesting that they had those two women talking about like their roles and how society would perceive them based on how they decided to choose sides and stuff. That was kind of interesting. Kind of boring too. So the Ellen scenes, they also take place over a long period of time,
right, there's flashbacks, and that was confusing to me. We're cutting back and forth between present day with Anders and back in the time with Ellen because it starts, you know, right, she resurrects right after she was killed on New Caprica, right, and then you know, they skip over chunks of time and it's like, oh, now the humans destroyed the Resurrection ship and so it's like Cavils like freaking out and asking Ellen for help, and
but we're still on present time. It was confusing. I just didn't like it. Yeah, they didn't do a lot to contextualize that to help you like piece together like how much time has passed? But yeah, so Anders is getting prepped for surgery and what's the name, Doc Coddle. Right, He's like, we're gonna need a specialist, but first I'm gonna drill into his head. And Starbucks like, well, we should get the specialist right now, and he's like, ah, I can drill, it's no big
deal. And then as he's drilling, apparently he unlocks all of Anders's old memories from being a cylon and he's like a fountain of knowledge, but also like he has words salad. Yeah, so it's like really confusing sometimes to follow along with what he's saying. Yeah, it was interesting. I thought his performance was good. Yeah, they're very lucky that they have a brain specialist in the fleet. Yeah, it's unfortunate that it's that guy, because
he's pretty annoying. Yeah, he's like I feel like I've seen that guy play that same kind of character of like this nerdy type before. He feels like he's out of like sitcom like Bones or is a show like that, like a procedural that Yeah. So yeah, but he seemed like very disconnected from the emotions in the room like most surgeons. Honestly, he's just like, I'm super excited to get a new brain to work on. But I thought it was interesting that Anders like gather them up, I need to talk
to them, and they all showed up for him. I thought that was really special. Yeah, because they haven't heard from him in a long time when he's like, he hasn't called them, so it's nice that they're all waiting for him. It was interesting that, like, as he's telling them this backstory, one of their main concerns is like who is at fault for everything that's happened? Like, are are we the final five at fault for like building these other cylons and continuing this cycle of destruction? Or like do
you go back a step further? It's like, well, the humans on Kobal built us, so it's the humans and tie even like takes that logic all the way back to like, well, at some point a germ split in two and caused all this. Yeah, they're really concerned about like the pr of all this knowledge. Yeah. I don't think Condors is really catching their vibe too hard though. We also learned that Chief Tyrrell and Tori were lovers in their former life. They were happy and getting married and Chief Tyroll
just looks over at Tori and giggles. I thought that was cute. She's like, I killed your wife. Nobody knows that. Plus he hated the cabbage sent to her, and she was a cheater, a cheater who let him believe that she was burying him a son. They bad mouthed Callie so much after she left the show. So do you understand, like the Cylon history, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I
really don't care. It's it's not relevant to me, even though at the very beginning of the show they were like, this has happened before and it will happen again, so it feels like it should be relevant. But I don't care. I don't care. I want to see the drama and the conspiracy and all of the other shit that goes along with every day now present I am. I am invested in the present. I'm not a bitch who likes to look back, and I'm not really interested in looking forward because that's
not like for sure either. So let's talk about today today. We are here and it doesn't fucking matter who's responsible for what, Like that's in the past. We are now here. How can we fix it? How can we make today better? But yeah, I don't know. I acknowledge the past and I understand it's relevant, but it's not something that we need to completely let us like like it shouldn't be something that it's gonna slow us down from having progress today. And I feel like this episode really slowed us down
so that there was no progress. There was no action. Like the one thing that maybe was an action was the storyline with a Dama in chief. That was like one thing that was like a problem resolution bam. Everything else was questioning was like hung up in the air or you know, Anders wakes
up brain dead, so we're done. Yeah. No, I was just asking because you've you've asked a lot of questions over time regarding the cylons and like just the understanding of the final five are different cylons and the other seven.
Yeah, I guess it's it's weird, but I don't I wish they would have explained it more interesting, show me, don't tell me, you know, yeah, because that would be more exciting, like if they if they did flashbacks, like if Anders was like I remember everything and then we flashed back and saw Chief Tyrrell and Tory like happily married and like in love and shit, and then we cut back to them and be like, ill,
that would have been more exciting to me. That would have been more engaging if we would have seen it in their like Cylon world, putting together like the Resurrection ship and doing all this stuff. But you're just telling me. I'm like bored, I don't care. I want to see it. This is a fucking sci fi show. Show me the sci fi. So that's why I wasn't engaged. I was just like, oh, there he
goes again telling his stories. So I should mention the movie The Plan, which they've talked about several times throughout the series, that they made the movie after the series finale had wrapped. But if you were doing more of a chronological watch, the place to watch The Plan would actually be right after this episode, because you in this episode you learn all about what Cavil did to like put the Final Five on Earth with new memories and then hope to have
them work it. We'll have them die in the nuclear holocaust. So the Plan kind of goes back and shows a lot of that and how the Final Five survived and end up in the fleet, and then what the Cylons were continuing to do throughout the first couple of seasons of the show. Yeah, and we'll talk about it when we do cover the Plan. But I don't think the Plan is the greatest ending to the series. I think it actually works better because it is it is kind of a backstory thing a lot like
this episode, but it shows more than tells. But it is they had more money for the set design or something kind of. I mean, it also re uses a lot of footage from the first couple of seasons as it fills in gaps. But anyway, I just wanted to mention that. Yeah. The other thing the episode was Chief Tyrell discovering how broken Galactica is after all the abuse ship's been through. I like when Admiral Adama was like, are you saying they cut corners and he's like, yeah, I'm saying they
cut corners. It was like, oh shit. He didn't realize that the military would cut corners when building something that was supposed to be important for the safety of others. Crazy, Oh my god. But it was funny to me that he was like, no, we're not using cylon technology. This is going to be fixed. Like if you can't fix it, then we're just going to have to deal with it, and then he goes to his bathroom and he finally notices the big giant crack in the wall, and he's
like, oh my god, okay, fix it. It's happening in my house. Yeah, in my bathroom, the place where I take off all my clothes. No way, that's his most vulnerable space. So he's agreeing to using this like biological resin that the cylons have that will grow and mold itself into the cracks or something and take on the load of the weight bearing beams, and so it sounds great, like, Okay, let's do it. I wouldn't have even been like, let me think on it. I'd
be like, okay, let's try it. Like fuck it, I only have one ship, you know. I fucking destroyed the Pegasus doing that other fucking invasive maneuver, so I don't have any backups. Yeah, but he's a little hesitant, I guess, because you know, people just tried to
assassinate him for being too close to the cylons. So he's like, hey, yeah, but like the thing that was to me, I feel like it's almost hypocritical because he was willing to put new jump drives and everybody else's ship and now when it's his ship and it needs cylon technology, he's like, whoa, there, hold your horses. But yeah, I can tell that he's hesitant because he's like, Okay, I'm gonna let you be in charge, but it's going to be an all human crew, no cylons,
Yeah except for you. And then the thing. I thought it was funny that Chief was having to correct almost every single group of people in there, And I'm like, I bet he wouldn't have to do that if he was working with cylons. They wouldn't be doing it wrong and stupid like people do. The cost of a human crew. Human error is bound to happen, all right, Well I got nothing else, you got nothing else on that.
I thought it was funny. I like that he invented a beam that can look through the metal without having to like scoot over, like make sure you don't get hit with this. Who knows what kind of ray I'm sending through the atmosphere right now, because you know, when I get an X ray, they put this metal bib on me. But he was like, oh, no, worries, let me just shoot it in front of your
face right now. I thought it was just like a black light it looked like yeah, but you could see like internal workings of metal, so I think it was like more it was supposed to be reading as more like technologically advanced than a black light and I'm like, damn, this guy knows how to fit shit like that. He's like, it's an X ray but not really. I'm like, okay, it's like an X ray for metal. I'm like, should we be taking precautions while you're shooting that up on here?
It's crazy? But yeah, it was cool and then just short because it was shortened the episode. Laura's like, you're gonna take over the government and yeah, because it was like a blip, And I think that could have been more interesting because I like Laura as a character. She's complicated and there's layers to her. But we got nothing today, like just like crumbs. She gave us crumbs. But she's like, yeah, Lea Dama, it sucks that everybody's dead, but you're going to have to figure out who's
going to replace them. And I'm just gonna keep my name and title, but you're gonna do all the work. And I'm like, yes, I love a woman in power who can just give like shove work to some man because I feel like men do it all the time. Let somebody else do all the work and I'll take all the credit. Yeah, she also like she can't do like there's if she were to resign, like I don't know, the whole government's gone like that, it would be more of a mess.
So like she kind of has to keep that title. Yeah, even if she's president was killed in a firing squad, So yeah, who's going to take over for her? And then all the representatives who I assume are like the line. Yeah, yes, there might be some secretary of education way down the line. Ready this stuff like her the way she got into power, and it all starts again because what has happened before will happen again.
Oh my god. Yeah, it was weird. I was like, dang, Laura, you were doing so well, like you inspired the people and you got like the government back. But yeah, that there was a tragedy, like you know, your whole cabinet, your whole congress or whoever, they're gone, all the representatives are gone, and she was having a hard time picking a good picture of this one guy. And I'm like,
oh my god, that's gonna be me. I don't have any good pictures of myself right now, they're gonna have to pick a goofy picture of me doing something stupid, looking stupid. Should we get like photos taken so that Yeah, every year, like you get a portrait done so you're always funeral ready. Uh yeah, it's the same headshot I use for my LinkedIn. But yeah, that was the episode pretty much. Right. Oh wait, there's one last thing I want to mention, and that's SALTI touching that fake
ass baby bump. Oh so gross. I didn't like it. I feel like they're connection. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I feel like it's it's I don't I don't feel like they have chemistry, the way that she has chemistry with Guias and the way that he has chemistry with Ellen. Tie they are lacking something and it just feels so forced. I honestly forgot that, like they were still the thing, especially like we're seeing
Ellen now Ellen's on our way back presumably, so right. And the thing is the funniest thing is that that bitch was in a jail cell not that long ago. Yeah, so I think she just moved in and I'm like, she looks way out of place in this like gray steel office bedroom house thing apartment, and he's like, should we get baby stuff? And I'm like, he's never had a child, He's lived a child free life well into his like I don't know, maybe he's like fifty or sixty, and
I'm like, how dare she do this to him? But he did it to himself. He fucked. They fucked consensually, but they didn't know that they could have babies, and that sucks. That sucks. So yeah, he felt that Cylon baby move and I was like, Oh, that's nasty.
But that's it. That's that does an episode. There was just like little bits that should have been bigger, Like I would have I would have liked a better focus on that and their their relationship, their day to day instead of all this Cylon word and all this back talk and it's explaining everything. Show me, like, if you're kind to tell me about it, show it to me. Show me how he fucked up Daniel's life, Show me Daniel, give me an actor, and then make him committed to another
series later down the line. But yeah, I don't know. Lots of talk, not enough action. Astral Queen, who was the standout character. In the episode Who's Your Astral Queen? Well, no one did a whole lot in this episode and start contrast to the previous ones. Yeah, so I mean Chief was the most active. I picked Chief two weeks in a row. I know this could be the third week in a row for him. Am I being Chief Tarrell fan Now he's been like in the forefront for
a lot. I was thinking of doing Honders because after this he's brained head, so I don't know what else he can do, So this might be the last time I can give him one Starbuck also had to make a decision with Honders and yeah, that was tough. Yeah, but she like in seconds made the decision, so it wasn't like they didn't draw it out or anything. She's like problem for surgery. Who else? I guess the DAMA made a hard decision too. There were the doctors that saved Anders. Yeah,
and then there's Ellen Tie Ellen and the Boomer. So I mean there's some options, but they're just like lackluster compared to the last ones. Yeah, fuck it, I'm three weeks in on Chief Tirol. I'm gonna give it to Anders. He's the Chief again for being a bald bitch. All right, all right, what's the two cylons getting the award this week? They took our jobs and that brings us to the end of no exit.
But of course we're going to go into the spoiler section, so there is an exit if you need it, and you airlock bitch if you don't want to be spoiled for the rest of the series, including the next episode, which is called Deadlock. And this is the time for you to stop listening because we're going to go into spoilers. Let's put our living stereo stylist in this group. Brace for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the whole
series, now is the time to say goodbye. Remember you can contact us at spacing outpot at gmail dot com, find us on Facebook and Twitter, share your thoughts and be a part of the discussion spoilers in five four three two one. All right, so Ellen shows up and there's another blonde woman in her bed. She's probably pissed. She does not handle it with a lot of grace. Does she do anything with grace as Ellen ty I think that Ellen Tye in her comes out, not her final cylon self, which
is like benevolent and knowledgeable and wise. Yeah, so numbers number six. She miscarries that baby because of the stress of Ellen. Very possibly. I think they leave it ambiguous, but it's very possible that all that doctor's in and so then we're still where two Cylons have never had a child together. They almost did. Ellen would have been cool about it. So they bring in the concept of this Cylon Daniel and that caused a lot of speculation on
the internet forums. A lot of people were theorizing at this point in the show that the Cylon Daniel somehow related to Starbuck, either that she literally is Daniel, or that Daniel's her father or something like that, kind of trying to explain the mystery of Starbuck. Yeah, and I like that. She was like, I gotta be something right. Maybe I was him, but no, it's Daniel. So show runner Ronald D. Moore went out of his way to try to squash these rumors on message boards and in the podcast
commentaries. You didn't realize how much people would gravitate towards the theorizing on this topic. That him, like, the idea was Daniel was just a way to explain the numbering issue and then kind of give a little piece of character development to Cavil, But the nerds were like, oh my god, that's Starbucks, Dad, Uncle, Daddy, Like this has to mean something more. Yeah, I mean this show is all about that though. So you're just feeding the fucking like sharks. You put out chum, and of course
they're gonna take it. You know, I honestly would not have noticed that there was an off number. I didn't notice. I didn't notice that they were off by numbers. So yeah, that's twenty. Yeah. I don't think Daniel is referenced again. As I mentioned earlier, there's the character in Caprica was the creator of the Centurions named Daniel, so it's presumed that this
cylon was named after him. So the cylon resin that they put in the ships, because it's a this organic material, that's what's going to allow Anders to kind of be plugged in and connect to all the systems and the ship because this material has worked its way into all the systems of the ship,
sort of turning Battlestar into a bass Star. And we end up with this kind of cool parallel where we you know, we start the show with the Galactica being not networked, and that's what allows it to survive, and it ends up being networked with all this Cylon technology, yeah, which is what helps them succeed in the finale. Oh and Boomer, I don't remember exactly, but I don't think her intentions are what they appear right now. I
think she's a trouble crossing hole. Yeah again, because somehow Cavell ends up with Tara again, and I believe Boomer is the one that does that. But that's all the spoiliage I have. I don't have anything to spoil. I don't remember anything anymore. You don't remember the last five episodes of the show. Now, I'm sure there's an opera house in there somewhere. Oh there is. Thanks for joining us. We will see you next time for the episode Deadlock, So say we all thank you for spacing out with Phoebe
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