Welcome to Spacing Out with Boebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode four, Escape Velocity. Welcome back. I'm Babe and I'm Jason, and this is spacing Out for today. We will be discussing Battlestar Galactica.
If you are new to the show, first of all, welcome and we will have a spoiler section at the end of the podcast where we are free to discuss future events, but otherwise we won't be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica Season four, episode four, Escape Velocity. Whatever that means yep. This aired on April twenty fifth, two thousand and eight. Written by Jane Espinson, directed by Edward James. Almost may have
heard of him. The survivor count was thirty nine thousand, six hundred and seventy five, which is a loss of one person. Aka CALLI Fat Cabbage. Space can Horror show some respect. In this episode, the Cylons and the fleet continue to struggle with their identities. Chief Terrell mourns the death of his wife. Baltar Sect is attacked by a group called These Sons of Aries. Laura Roslin undergoing cancer treatments, attempts to stall Baltar's rising influence with an
emergency decree, Eliadama and the Quorum overturn it. Vibe check. Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand the test of time? I liked it. Yeah, I missed Starbuck, but it was pretty good. Still, we're at the very end, they're like, oh, yeah, Starbucks here too. Yeah, she's taken a nap on these maps. She's asleep this whole episode nap. What did you like about it? I really enjoy the silence just kind of freaking the fuck out, and their interactions with
full and then an episode with Baltar, and it's always fun. So I really enjoyed those episodes where they highlight Baltar and his boofy shenanigans. Yeah, and he was like literally being lifted by his inner monologue to like confront these like soldier dudes and they're like, dude, we don't want to hit you, but we're gonna have to hit you again. And then he gave a bloody speech at the end and sounded a lot like RuPaul. So it was a good episode for me. Yeah. I like the three cylons on Galactica
are they're all like processing their their grief and their emotions differently. Yeah, it's a good episode. I've been kind of realizing, like this season is very serialized, more than like the rest of the show has been. It's
always been kind of serialized. We have the whole the main storyline that goes across large arcs, you know, but it's also it's been been more episodic in the past, where like each episode is about its own concept, and I feel like right now we're watching like they decided the story for the final
season and they broke it up in the episodes, you know. So it's it's a little different when when we stop and just look at one episode, because like like we're just looking at one little sliver of the story that they're telling. Yeah, but I think I can appreciate, Like, to me, it's like a big painting where right now we're looking at the brushstrokes and then at the end we'll see the full picture and I can appreciate both. And That's where I'm at with it. Yeah, I mean I still like
it. I think it's still good storytelling. Yeah, it's just it's a this is a bit of a change and yeah, it's also like the drama doesn't come from like the external threats anymore, Like it's all been internal character conflict stuff. Yeah, just also really interesting. So yeah, it holds up for me trivia time. What facts could we uncover for escape Velocity?
Got a little bit of trivia? So the title escape velocity is the minimum speed an object with alpropulsion needs to needs to have to move away and definitely from the source of a gravity field. So how fast something needs to be moving to escape a gravity gravitational poll? Okay, I don't know how that relates to the episode. Maybe like the followers of many gods to one god and how they have to pull away from like the gravitational force of the norm
the status quo. Maybe that's stretch, but I'm willing to take it. In the original draft for the beginning of season four, Tom's Eric was behind the Sons of Aries and encourage its attack on Baltar's Cult. That Tom's Eric was not in the episode. That's the first time we learned Callie's full name is Calundra Anderson Tyrol. I don't bet she smells like cabbage. Yes,
we learned what Chief really thought during the quorum discussion. One of the members compares Baltar's cult to the followers of Mithras, which was a cult popular in the Roman Empire and probably for us. I don't know. It sounds like that fake fucking armor from the Lord of the Rings. Yeah, me through us, the god of Light, whose cult spread from India to the east, as far as west of Spain, Green Britain and Germany. It's a Roman cult of Mithras. It's an Iranian god. Okay, come through Iranian
god, guardian of cattle to harvest down the waters. Okay, I can get down. I'm Intomitra. I would be in the cult. But that is all the trivia I had for this episode. Okay, deep space Dive, let's break down some of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us through email, Facebook, or Twitter. We may use your comments on an upcoming episode. So we start with Kelly's funeral. Yes, and a damas like boring, but Rosalind's like, remember I like this
because I'm dying. Yes, And like Chief is playing the part of like morning spouse really well in this until the Cylons come up to him to sell. They don't say anything everyone's like, sorry for your loss, so sorry for your loss. She was a good woman. And then fucking um what's her name? Tory comes up and she's just like and I feel like she's trying to play her role of like someone who doesn't really know Chief, she's just here because she's the president. Save you still say sorry for your loss,
not me. And then a fucking um what's his name? Old man, colonel Colonel Tie is right behind her and he's like, hello, sorry
for your loss or something. He's like, er, he's ruppy, and then the Chief's eyes get twice as big and he like gets I had never seen his eyes pop up out of his face so hard, and he's like, you're gonna ruin, You're gonna out us to the whole fleet right now where And they leave and it's the most awkward interaction at the funeral, and I feel like everybody saw it. Yeah, Leadama's trying to shake his hand and he's like, I'm waiting in the line here, like everybody wants a
piece of Chief because he's like one of the most popular guys. Apparently everybody showed up for his wife's funeral. I don't know if Callie was that popular. But I'm pretty sure they shown up for she. You know, I'm you know what I'm see. Like, I feel like anytime someone in the service dies, there's the show service for it. And yeah, um, well, anyway, so Kelly has her funeral and she's dead, and then so Colonel Tye and Tory go meet Chief and his quarters to be like,
what the fuck was that? And the baby's just crying. Yeah, and I love the fact that Colonel Tye goes and changes that diaper balk screen. Yeah, well, Tory and tf for talking. He's back there just like swaddling this baby, getting that baby shut the fuck up. That baby's always fucking crying. I swear to god, Oh my god, I'm tired of that baby crying. And and like later he goes and drinks at the bar
and he's just drinking his troubles away, minding his own fucking business. And the person who's like in charge of driving the ship and making sure everything is cool and dandy and like up to order just happens to be at the bar and we have a dama come up to him and be like, sorry about your loss, and he's like, you don't know about my loss. Dude, you don't know anything about my life. Man. And he's like, you're you're just mourning and he's like, no, I'm not mourning. I'm
glad she's walking dead. She smelled bad, she was lazy eyed and a bitch or something. They were always fighting. He's he's talking about he brings up Sharon, his love, who happens to be a Silo And now he founds out that he's a cylon and he's like did we always know what was going on? And I think he's dealing with a lot. And he pushes um Admiral Adama to the point where Admiral's like, all right, you're danger to our ship. You're no longer chief. I don't know what he is.
He's a specialist now. Yeah, so he's getting reassigned and I think he really shit the bed because now he can't like meet up and have a secret Silot meetings if he gets reassigned to a different ship. So um, but that was really fun to see just him losing his ship. So that was also after Racetracks ship. Oh yeah, because he was but I think he wasn't his fault because they were hurrying him up. They were like hurry up, dude, I gotta be out there doing my drills or like,
dude, it's a drill, Okay, Like it's not. There's no real danger right now. If you make me hurry up, then you'll be in real d danger. And guess what happened. You rushed me and now you're in real danger. Yeah, but they're under that pressure all the time. But yeah, he destroyed that little bus. It's like the short bus ship. I don't know what that was about. It's a raptor no, but that's what they called it. When they were in the air, the one
of the guys was like, you better get your bus going. It's a bus and she's like, well, what if this is a bus, then you're riding a bicycle and he's like, no, I'm driving a race car. It was like a dick measuring contest. I don't know, I'd rather be riding a bus. Racetrack has had like so many close calls in the series because she back when the fuel is being sabotaged, like her ship crashed
into the Presidentship Colonial one. Oh yeah. And then they also when that guy was trying to blow up Baltar's lawyers, there was a bomb on her raptor that they barely caught because of that cat. So yeah, she's always just like almost gonna die. Yeah, like every time she gets on board, like you just prepare for danger. Yeah. So I don't know Chief is he's not holding it together too well. And I think I think he partially felt that, like he was a danger to the crew in his condition
and wanted to be demoted. So you think that intentionally well, I think he's also trying to process a lot between his wife's death and his newfound Cylon identity and his half breed baby. Yep. I like that that gets mentioned, even though it was it was all in Chief's head. But I gah, he's a Cylon then he has a half Cylon kid. M So most of the rest of the episode has both our stuff right well, and Colonel Tye and Number six as well. Oh yeah, they have their moments.
So that's the whole other side of Colonel Tye trying to process who he is and also still grieving the death of his wife. I thought it was weird when he kept switching her back and forth in his head trying to get answers about himself, like stealthy and then like, I don't understand and why number six kicked his ass and then started making out with him. I feel like it's one or the other. Well she changed her mind. I don't get why. Yeah, it's weird. Their whole thing is weird, and I'm
not into it. I'm not into it either. But are you into cults against cults? Cult wars? I don't know. I feel like Guias isn't really doing a lot to become this like religious leader. He's literally like pulling quotes out of a cam Like it's like, if you don't know how to love yourself, then how are you going to love somebody else? And you know, we're all perfect and God loves us and he made us perfect. And I'm just like, and I don't understand why people are crying and clapping
about it. Maybe because he's covered in blood. Like when the attack from the Sons of Anarchy or whatever they're called varies whatever, they weren't on motorcycles. I bet if they could have motorcycles they would have them. Okay, they were giving those vibes, they were giving the you will not replace us vibes whenever they came in Baltart. Immediately jumped and hid immediately, and Tori saw that and she's like, hmmm, I don't know how she felt about
that. She was also teasing him. She came into pulling his hair out, and I'm like, he's going to get a bolt spot. She's like, what if we mix pain, I'm pleasure And he's like, I liked it better when you were crying, And I'm like, this interaction is weird. What he's saying and what she's saying. It's like inappropriate and they shouldn't be Like this doesn't feel consensual anymore. Like the fact that he's like,
I liked it better when you were crying is kind of insulting. And the fact that she's like hurting him is also like pushing the line because it obviously shows that he's not into it. He's saying now, he's saying no. Even if he's not outright saying no, you can tell that it's a no for him. Well, and she's using her like superior cylon strength to hold them down. Yeah, So yeah, giving date rape, she's like untouchable, like she thinks she can do no wrong. She's like above it all,
she's above judgment. She's above like guilt and she's perfect, and so she can get away with murder, she sure as hell can get away with fucking date raping guyas Baltar. Yes, her her confidence has really shot up. I think her arrogance yea, is definitely showing in this, Like her understanding of what it is to be a cylon means that she's going to exploit
and that can be harmful. And I don't I don't. I don't especially like her journey as a cylon and what it's making her into because before this, she was like a person who followed the rules and did her job and cared about her job deeply and worked really hard to have a certain perception of her when I think part of her is still there, because she's still wearing like a veil to go into the Baltar compound, trying to like hide herself.
But it's just interesting that this is who she's becoming. Yeah, And it's also interesting they kept cutting her to her during the quorum scenes whenever they were talking about Baltar and the cult. They're like, it's almost like she had like a fear of people knowing that she was involved in it. Yeah, But then at the end she was like in plain sight, watching and being part of his speech. So what is it? I don't know.
I'm interested to see, like the rest of her arc if it's coming, and I hope it doesn't end poorly for her, but because she's a woman of color, I fear it won't and then good for her, just because it rarely does for us when it comes to things like the taste of power, this idea of perfection, this entitlement, whether you're entitled to it or not, because you are feeling entitled to it is what the problem is? How dare you be entitled to this? But yeah, I don't know.
We'll see and then, yeah, So they're all kind of dealing with their cylon ness in very different ways. Chief is drinking it away, Colonel Tie is questioning another cylon, trying to get answers out of her and then get the ship beat out of him and then get kissed. And Tori's kind of I don't know, she's like reveling it. She's like embodying this like other person in a way, like she's becoming something different. We'll see. And
Andrews is off trying to get his wife to notice him. Yeah, I thought he was going to kiss her on the head or throw blank get on her or something, put her pillow under her. I don't know, You're just gonna go in there and watch her sleep. That feels like a shot they pulled in from another episode just to like bring them into the fold. Yeah. I still can't believe Laura Roslin is trying to take away constitutional rights because of Baltar. The right to assembly is one of our constitutional rights in
the United States of America. Regardless of what they tell you, you have the right to gather, regardless of whether you're gathering to protest or to do something else. You have that right as a free person in this country. And it's fucked up that this president is like afraid of one man, and because of that one man, she will limit the rights of an entire fleet
thirty three thousand or whatever it is. That's crazy. But on the other hand, I think they were trying to show that maybe she was right when they showed Lea Dama coming in to save him, and then they showed him in a room. But all they like, they're like, she doesn't want to make him a martyr, but then she makes him a martyr anyway. With her stupid laws. Yeah, so what do you do with Laura,
Like, I don't get it. Is it the cancer brain? She's trying to make a law against one person, one group, and everyone is calling her out on like this can be applied to so many groups. Yeah, and it's yeah, you can't make a special case like that. You know, there's a lot of groups that like we wish weren't assembling, but you can't. They're fucking right. Yeah. Yeah, the the ACLU has gone the bat for like the Westboro Baptist Church, they've been there, right to
protest. Nobody wants them to, but it's their right. They have freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Yeah, and those laws are there to protect the type of speech that you might not want to hear. Right, even if it's something you don't want to hear, it's not so you can't stop the world from turning. And it's gonna turn regardless of whether or not
you agree with it or not. I think people have to remember that sometimes, like even though we don't agree with it, or it might be that that assembly might be a direct result of something terrible happening, it was their right to do it. If they choose to do something like bad things with their time. Then that's a different type of thing that we need to look at. But these motherfuckers in this show anyway, they're getting together talking about
the One True God and praying about it. It's the people who are religious zealots on the other side who came into their little compound and started beating people up, mostly women, and defacing property and harming people, like with intent to potentially kill. I don't know if they would have found Baltar, what would they have done to him? And so like that's where I would draw the line, like, maybe you shouldn't be meeting to plan a fucking coup.
If you're meeting to plan a fucking coup or some sort of fucking violent act, then maybe I'm worried about why you're meeting. I get that. But if you're just meeting to kumbaya, my lord Kumbayah, then I don't give a fuck. You do that over there and you leave me the fuck alone. But then as a retaliation, Baltar went into the temple and he started throwing around their idols and got thrown in the brig So it's just like,
when when is it going to end? Where does it end because now that he's done that, does he think he's safe just because they have the right to assemble again, Like these sons of anarchy or sons of Adonis or whatever whatever, they're probably going to come back. Yeah. I think his retaliation was in part because he felt like no one was going to do anything about right. No. Yeah, you sometimes you have to push the system in order to get justice. But he still didn't get justice. They're like,
we're looking into it, seriously, we really are. Nothing was resolved, but it did get him a visit from President Roslin, who's like, I'm going to show off Anny Wig. Do you see him to see me? Do you see these inches? Do you see these inches? Look? I got bangs. She can flip, she can move, she's natural. She's dying too, and she wanted to let him know I'm fucking dying. And I don't know why she wanted him to know that, but he knows
now, and I don't think he hears. She's also just like she wants to like send him a message that she's not gonna put up with his bullshit, and then she releases him, which is kind of surprising. But she's basically like I'm dying, so I don't really give a fuck if I have to bend the laws, takeaway right from the people who deserved them, just to punish you Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode, My Astral Queen. I was thinking about guys, Baltar could be Colonel Tie
just for taking care of that baby, changing that taper. I don't know who else does stuff. I mean Lea Dama. I was thinking of giving it to Kurt Chief Herol Chief right, Chief, Yeah, Chief, Well now it's a specialist Heril. Yeah. Well, because he said what we've all wanted to know about Callie the truth boiled cabbage scent of her. What else did they say? Hey, like, talked about her voice and everything was annoying about her. Honestly, I was living. Yeah, I think
I'm going to give it to Chief. He owned up to his fuck up and he demoted himself. I'm between Baltar and Lee Adama for standing up for constitutional rights. Yeah, although it wasn't just him, it was the whole whole quorum. I'm trying to think, like, what what does Baltar actually do? I mean, he goes in attacks at other religious gathering and then he gets his ass kicked in the hallway trying to go home, but he
keeps standing up to take those punches. Yeah. The way that they showed him getting up right and it looked like he was being lifted up, that was really good camera work. He looked almost like possessed, like, yeah, he was a marionette. Yeah, um Leadama dang. This episode about Baltar Baltar didn't get any love. No, all right, that does it for our coverage of Escape Velocity, we're going to go into the spoiler section now. So if you don't want to be spoiled about anything in the future
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Spoilers in five four, three, two one I'm waiting for the day that they dropped that Ellen Tie is a Cylon and I thought they were going to do it this episode with her switching on and off between Number six and Ellen. I think this is a major clue. I believe Colonel Tie does. He comes to the realization that Ellen is the fifth before it's revealed to anyone else, and it is through this weird relationship he has with Number six,
very uncomfortable relationship. If asked me, yeah, I'm very uncomfortable. Um what else? What else are we are we thinking about? Um, that baby ain't his, so it's not a half Cylon baby, and if it was, it'd be in the fucking opera house. There'd be two motherfucker's running around in that opera house. And his baby's so annoying. But it does show that Tyrol is thinking about that aspect of his child. Yeah,
what is it going to come out that he's not the daddy? I feel like, I want to say, gets that information from Doc Cottle, But it might be after the four of them are outed publicly, before after after Oh they're outed? Who outs them? Tell me everything? Come on, this is the spoiler section of the show. How did they find out how did they get outed? Do you know how they get outed? At least do the Cylons tell on them? I think so. I think so number
three gets unboxed. Oh she tells everyone. I think it comes out through her. Okay, I believe there's like she gives them an option or like you can come join the Cylons and Tori goes. Of course, Tori's like, I'm done to fuck these white people. Yeah, so that's that's that, all right? Or anything else? Ellen, we'll be back and not in that number six. Wig might do more of that. I don't remember. Oh god, I prefer I prefer her dirty blonde than to blonde blonde
like that? All right? Well, uh, spoilers are in short supply of these days. There's less and less episodes ahead of us. I think next episode we're back on the Demetrius with starbucking them for a lot of it. We're picking up that story and that'll be it. That'll be the road less traveled. Thanks for joining us, and remember we don't love ourselves. How can we love it? Can I get an amen? That's what RuPaul says. Thank you for spacing out with Boebe and Jason. You can help
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