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Episode 224

Mar 28, 202534 minSeason 8Ep. 73
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In this episode of the Sounders FC Pod-Cast, Brad Evans and Steve Zakuani dissect the Sounders' frustrating 0-0 draw against the Houston Dynamo, highlighting missed opportunities and tactical shortcomings. They then shift focus to preview the upcoming road match against the San Jose Earthquakes, analyzing San Jose's recent form and discussing potential lineup changes for the Sounders. The episode also features a conversation with longtime Sounders broadcaster Michelle Ludtka, who shares insights from her career, discusses the evolution of women in sports broadcasting, and previews her new role at FOX 13.

Episode description

On this week's episode, co-hosts Steve Zakuani and Brad Evans recap a 0-0 draw to the Houston Dynamo at Lumen Field, before quickly turning the page and to preview Saturday's road match against the San Jose Earthquakes, a team that has been a thorn in the side of the Sounders for the past few seasons. Then, the guys are joined by longtime Sounders broadcaster Michelle Ludtka, who shares her memories covering the team and discusses her new role at FOX 13. 

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Thank you. What's up everyone? Welcome to another episode of the Sounders FC podcast and the team is just probably right now as we're starting to record wrapping up training preparing to face San Jose.

on the road san jose earthquakes on the road but um obviously coming off you know we can get into it for me of all the results this is the most disappointing one um against houston um this past weekend sound is playing to a nil nil draw at home to the houston dynamo um we were at the game covered it one of the best crowds i've seen in a long time so we definitely want to talk about that I think that was a success the first match on us that The Silence is doing was really cool but

Just from some stats, right? So the Sounders had about 55% possession, 13 short attempts to six, only four of them on goal, seven corner kicks to zero. Houston Keepers, because they played two of them, forced into it, ended up making five saves. I watched on my drive home or listened to the Schmetz.

post-game press conference and kind of the initial thoughts I was feeling so I'll ask you Brad in general because I know you were able to watch the game and I was working it with Danny he sounded frustrated and I think I couldn't help but feel like the one with that whistle blew Yeah, you just dropped two points.

So I was lucky enough to get my seats. I've never sat in these seats before. I think I saw you. Yeah. Down, down low. Because when Nico came up to you, I was at the end of the game. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. So Leslie Gilmore has front row seats. And I have always been on the field and seen her. sitting there we have a chat yeah and then facito was able to to get him from from leslie and then we all went to the game nice and uh

It was awesome sitting right there on the front row. I've never watched the game that close. We're always up in a suite or if I have to buy tickets, you're in one of the corners. It is awesome sitting there. I'll tell you what. Because I got to talk to Ben Olsen. He's sitting right in front of me. He's crazy. And you get to hear everything on the field. And they were awesome seats. You get to hear the coaches yelling.

Um, just the speed of play from down there is, is, is different level. And, um, you know, we watch it from up above and it's, why don't you do this? Why don't you do that? But when you get down low, you remember what it's like to be a player, right? And you're just looking at a C. of players you can't really tell the depth of anything but you still have to take chances in a game

And Houston's line, they knew it. Jordan's not in. I mean, the total distance between their backs and their strikers, no more than 20, 25 yards. If I'm a defender and you don't play the ball in behind 15, 20 times in that situation, I'm having the best day of my life as a third center. I mean, that young center back for Houston, he's not a great player, but he keeps the Sounders off the board. And it just begs the question of...

Most of the time, if I'm seeing that as a center back, I understand that we want to play this methodical buildup and get into this prime assist zone and everything. But you have to take chances in a game. And when a team plays that high and Yemar... Passes the ball back to Jackson. I mean, I can't just play the same pass over and over again. Jackson plays Nuhu. Nuhu plays Rothrock. Goes back to Nuhu. Goes back to Jackson.

If I'm him, I'm just hitting blind balls across my body into the corner and turning Houston around because the worst thing that they do is they kick it out for a corner kick. Well, then we've just gained possession. We've just gained ground. But if you don't turn around a defense, then it doesn't matter. you do it 10 or 15 times and a half I have to drop my line yeah two or three yards every time and it's the territorial battle that we lost possession is great whatever

But if you don't do anything with it, it's beyond frustrating to sit there and watch. And you're just kind of scratching your head about who's going to take a chance and just make guys run. I'd rather have Paul Rothrock run for 50 minutes than play 90 minutes and not have –

20, 25 sprints into the corner. And it's frustrating at the end of the day. Yeah. You know, but then you get JP's chance, which has to be hit on the ground. Yep. It's got to be hit on the ground. And like Schmidt said, nine out of 10 times, he scores that in training. Yes. Okay. Alex's chance.

Danny Leyva's chance, keeper makes a good save, so you have three high, high-quality chances in the first half to, I mean, completely seal the game. When I talked to Ben Olsen before the game, I said, good luck, and he said, we're going to need it.

They didn't need any luck. There was no luck involved in the game. Their game plan worked out perfect. The Sounders weren't able to break them down and really take risks. And for anyone to take hold of the game and say, no, this is how we're going to play in this situation.

So we haven't talked since the game, but I'm assuming it was that glaring. Of course, Keely, you were in the booth with us, and I said it like six times. And I was high up, right? I'm like, there's 30, 40 yards behind them. They're almost baiting you into it, saying like, you don't have Jordan. We're going to take this risk. What can you do? And you made every point. You start playing that ball two or three times. One, it pushes them back. Then it gives Albert and JP and...

Danny more space underneath to play because now you can do both right I think he was just trying to just be cute and break them down and it wasn't working there was one time in the game where the center back had a ball, whether Jackson or Yama, and it was a line of four. It was Jesus Ferreira, Rough Rock, Christian, and maybe Albert. It was a line of four.

And they were all coming towards the ball. And I'm watching this and I'm like, this is so easy to defend, right? There was no mix-up in that. I think that was disappointing. The last 15 of the first half, that's when those chances came. Could have put a game to bed right there. Didn't do it. Then I felt second off. As the game went on, I think the Dynamo probably said, look, if we're still in it at the 70th minute, let's have a real goal. And they started going for it. They did. Transition play.

open game i'm like and i was like i can't sit up here right now in the 75th minute 80th minute and say the sounders are more likely to score no i think there's a goal coming It can be either way. So I give them credit for that. I mean, Houston could have iced it at the end. They had a glaring chance. Easily. In the 85th, 88th minute. That was my worry. It begs the question of how is this team going to line up away from home?

You've got to start racking up points. I just don't think it can be another game where, yeah, we played well and we've got to draw, we've got to draw. We don't really have a – a decent home stand until later in the season, I think where there's like three games in a row at, at home. And so to be a contender, you have to win games on the road. You have to. And so, and it's a winnable game, but.

I mean, the Sounders, it's going to be a tough task. Well, San Jose got absolutely smacked by Charlotte in their last game. They also lost to Colorado. Charlotte beat them 4-1. Colorado beat them 2-1. That was in San Jose.

They lost to Minnesota 1-0 after making a decent start to the season, right? They won 4-0 against Salt Lake. Everyone said, oh, Bruce Arena touches here. They beat Kansas, and then I've lost the last three games. So they're looking for a win as well. I don't think it's a game you go in there and you worry too much.

much about what San Jose is doing they're definitely still finding that identity obviously you know in Chucho and you know Josef Martinez they've got guys you can find the back of the net if they're on the pitch and put in the right position to win and a Bruce Arena team is going to win it's going to be built to win I always remember Ziggy

saying this, always. And I used to, my favorite game to play, I could be wrong, don't fact check me, but I want to say any time I played the Galaxy at whatever it's called now, Dignity Park, it was called Home Depot, I always scored. Never did a score away from Home Against the Galaxy. We did fact check that and you're right. I did. We did a couple years ago. Ziggy will tell us they're really good, but...

I've been coaching against Bruce for however many years and decades at that point. They will give you chances. They'll give you something. Bruce, yeah, he plays a very open game. He builds his 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. They're kind of compact. But he wants to get after it. You're going to get chances. And I think against San Jose, we're going to see that. My worry is we've become so reliant on the Albert to Jordan connection.

where Jordan makes that little kind of curve running behind, knows how to find him. If you're not getting service, you're not getting consistent production up there, it doesn't matter how many chances they give you, you won't be able to take them. So with that said, the question I'm posing here is...

The lineup that we saw on Saturday, do you like that lineup for the weekend? Or does Christian have to come back in the middle as well? Because we moved Christian. With the idea of JP and Danny have been playing well, they'll dominate possession.

Sure, but then it would just dominate possession to what end? Whereas Christian is a bit more dynamic. He can make that run from deep. You can change things a bit that way as well. There's Georgie play because he came on and changed the game. Stairs should have been sent off on him. I mean, Georgie, but then we've seen Georgie away from...

home it's not quite the same sometimes so there's a lot of questions there but lineup wise i'm wondering how just how much how many changes we'll see yeah yeah you know christian is very effective in a back line of four there's just way more space to operate and when it You know, he wasn't very effective in playing against a five back. No. Against Houston. So, you know.

I think he would be more effective playing against San Jose. I don't think that they're not going to sit with five. They're not going to play a 3-5-2 or five in the back. They need results as well. They can't afford to just sit back and absorb and give up possession, and they're at home. So I think you keep Christian.

It's going to be a... Hey, Seuss will be the nine. We know that. Yeah, Seuss has to be the nine. You've got to just ask him to maybe mix it up a bit. How much has he changed for the team? How much has the team changed for him? I don't think we're that far off. I think he can make...

He can play a bit behind. He likes to come to feet. But if he does that, that means Rough Rock and whoever's on the right, they have to be running in behind. You can't all four. When I saw that, I'm seeing a high line and there's four players walking towards Jackson Reagan or Yemar who's coming up with the ball. I'm like, this is the man.

I mean, watching from the – you know, in the first half, I had Rothrock in front of me, and he wants to go, but the line is so high that if Jackson – he just has to hit the ball blindly. He's got to – Paul's got to say, just hit it. Hit it.

Hit it every time. First time. Ball gets laid back to me. I'll hit it first time. Come across my body. Drop it into that space and you go. And maybe they make a mistake, a bad back pass, whatever it is. So that should get sorted out this week. And the Sounders have to start taking some chances at the end of the day.

To put the ball in the back of the net. This is sort of weird. We haven't won at San Jose since 2021. Really? Yep. Three losses since then. I find that weird. And they've been bad, too. They've been not, like, worse than bad, right? They've been really not good.

at all. They used to have some decent teams back in the day, but yeah, I'm surprised by that. That's on the soundest side. We're talking about... uh mentorship in ziggy and i was like you know ziggy wasn't really a mentor he was more he was really just like a manager like we didn't really talk about

big picture and what it's like to get to the next level and sit down conversations it was really about what was the next task at hand yeah and we always played 11 v 11 two days before game we were in columbus and uh You play for 20, 25 minutes, whatever it is. And he brought me afterwards one-on-one and was like, how do you think that went today? And I was like, it was fine. It wasn't like we killed him or anything. He was like, you connected 100% of your passes.

And I guess I reflected on that moment. And he never said that again in 12 years, whatever it was. That was the one time that I remember where I kind of shifted to, oh, yeah, I can do it at this level. And I'm here for a reason. If I just do that, we're going to be a successful team. Just connect my passes and, you know, take my chance to get forward when I can. I don't remember it being like this significant moment, but I do remember him having that conversation with me at Obeds.

you know, one day after training. I think from then on, it just kind of gave me confidence to go and kind of do my thing. I actually reflect on fondly of playing with Eddie because I always knew that he was an outlet. i always knew that he loved to check and go he rarely wanted he wanted the ball at his feet sometimes but he really wanted to exploit defenses putting the ball in the back of the net so i remember playing against dallas here and i was behind midfield and there was

No other option than just to clip the ball in over the top. Just a light, just barely head height with backspin. And off he goes and he puts the ball in the back of the net. Jesus can do that. Agreed. It's just got to be a ball. I have to go with him. Yeah, exactly. At least.

a step at least half a step and that's all you need if you just check go boom get the ball clip it over the top they couldn't do it and schmetz was telling me when we sat by schmetz last week at training before the game and he's like yeah like he's not jordan speed but he's quick enough there was one in the

The second half where he gets in behind, he cuts the ball back, and we keep it. He's quick. He can make those runs. That's going to be on Albert a bit. That's a great point of the Ziggy story there. I think every player goes through it. At one day, at some point, it just clicks. You just get it. You just, oh, I'm here.

here I belong and I think we have maybe a few guys still a bit green and a bit erratic in those moments that final quality isn't there and that's why you talk about strength in depth now you know you've lost Pedro Paul and Jordan that's three guys that probably were going to be starting

most of the game so we that can't be lost on us as well um and i'm so excited because now we're joined we always have friends and you know colleagues and people come on to the show um someone who i as when i knew that she was going to be on i started thinking like wait when did i meet and you've been covering the team for a very long time longer than i even like

understanding so you've seen a lot so i'm excited to get into that with you i'm of course talking about i can give many titles um but i'll say sideline report extraordinaire um michelle joins us now on the podcast um first is great see you and have you here um how long have you been covering the sound of sort of like on and off yeah it's been a while

First of all, love you guys so much. So happy to be here with you guys. Two of my favorite humans. Three, if we count our fabulous Keely, a producer extraordinaire. So yeah, it's funny when you think about when did we first meet. I first started covering the Sounders in 2012. And then I joined and that was back when I was at Fox 13. Then it was Q13 Fox. And then I joined the broadcast team in 2015. So a long time. It makes me feel incredible.

old let's put it this way i remember covering this team when i was the same age as the players and that's definitely not the case now what is it that matthew mcconaughey quote from dazed and confused like they all keep or i guess older and they just stay the same age yeah yeah yeah that is true um michelle i'm always curious i fear your job because you are responsible for catching the head coach in what could be it's one of three things i guess it's a great moment he's angry or

it's a tie and he's, I guess, kind of in between. And I'm always curious, like, has there ever been a moment where you're like, I really don't even want to talk to him right now because I know that it's not going to be a good interaction.

Yeah, I mean, there's definitely there's definitely been those moments, especially over the years when you look back on it. I mean, definitely the hardest moments are after a loss, specifically a loss to like Portland. And I appreciate Brian Schmetzer so much because even. in those moments where you can just tell he's so angry and so upset and so disappointed at least like he always makes himself available and he's just like such a such a true pro um

But yeah, there's definitely times where, I mean, you guys know from watching the game and being players, like I'm sure it's the same times where you're like, we don't want to go back to the locker room and hear what he has to say. You know, I'm just like. We know it wasn't good in our jobs now, too, as analysts. You know, it's like, yes, we want to be real of where could the team improve. But being part of the team, we also kind of want to be positive. And so.

yeah that's definitely hard but I can definitely tell you actually Steve one of my most favorite moments um with Brian Schmetzer was there we were all on the broadcast together and I was on the sideline next to Brian and um I can't remember what the play was, but literally Brian.

looks over at me and he goes you you say this in this that microphone of yours to steve that was a a play just like what he used to do and like it was like it was it was really sweet i hope it was a good play no it was not that no i'm with you i love covering schmess i love working with schmess as well and michelle we're gonna we're gonna get into kind of what you're doing um today but i always like talking to people and kind of like mapping their journey a bit so

were you like growing up did you was it always sports did you know you want to work in sports like when did that happen tell us a bit about that journey yeah absolutely that brought you here today yeah well I was always a soccer girl soccer was my first first First love. I started playing when I was like three, four years old, you know, little magnet ball. I love soccer. And then.

So that kind of translated into a love of all sports. I was definitely a little sporty spice growing up. And then when I was in high school, I got introduced to like broadcasting, if you will. We did like the daily announcement show kind of a thing of like, this is what's for lunch at school. And I somehow got it in my little 16-year-old brain that I didn't like that I didn't get to see women.

sports on tv um except for like world cup and the olympics which was huge for me i like i loved those moments And so I somehow got it in my brain that I was like, well, if I become a sportscaster, I could maybe someday be in a position where I can say.

whose stories get told, and showcase then more women in sports. And so that kind of set me off on a journey when I was 16 to go to school for broadcasting, wanting to do broadcasting. I went to WSU and studied broadcast journalism there, got a minor in sport management. because I loved sports and it was always sports broadcasting. And then, yeah, I was fortunate enough. I had a small market job right out of school and one was lucky enough to come back to Seattle in 2012.

And, you know, worked for the Fox affiliate in Seattle for just about 10 years and then have kind of been bouncing around doing a couple other things since, but have stayed with you guys in the Sounders since 2015. But I loved the opportunity getting to cover the Sounders specifically when I came back because it reignited this passion I had as a kid for soccer because it's such a beautiful game.

yeah yeah we we always i mean i got to see your dad on the sideline and your sister as well so it's it's a family affair with with you and a and a love what what would be your like dream job though if you were to have something in broadcast i guess assuming that that would be your dream job It might be cheesy, you guys, but I already did it. My dream job was to come to Seattle. I'm a Seattle girl, born and raised. I wanted to come home to my home market.

cover the teams that I grew up loving as a kid and really tell meaningful stories that maybe you wouldn't necessarily hear. I love giving a voice to someone who maybe didn't get a platform. And so. That, honestly... connected then with what i've gotten to do with the sounders over the last decade which oh my gosh that makes me feel so old like i'm living it like and i and i again i know that's cheesy but it's almost like giving me like a midlife crisis earlier in life because i'm like

How lucky could I have been? I mean, I've covered four MLS championships, two Super Bowls, three WNBA championships. Like this is my this is my city. And I realized when I was back in Seattle, starting out covering teams here that. that's why I loved it like I didn't want to go to like the SEC or like go to ESPN or because I don't I didn't want to talk about Orlando Pride or like I don't want to talk no offense to them or like or Alabama football or whatever like I love

Seattle sports. I love the Seattle Sounders. I think you hit it at the right time because when I reflect on watching. You know, we were just talking about Michael Jordan. Right. But when I grew up, obviously, in the 90s, the only females that you saw were sideline reporters strictly. And now they're duos that are calling NBA games. Yes, love her. The Sounders had a full all-female referee staff down in the Champions League. The men's national team had a female staff for the men's team.

to me looking from the outside like you've been involved in a lot of women's sports panels especially in kind of empowering that space um do you think you hit it at the right time to see and and what has it meant for you to see kind of that shift in you know women kind of stepping into that space. Absolutely. It's been really interesting because I think I've been doing this long enough now that I have gotten to see it of like, when I came to Seattle, I would be the only woman in the room.

And it would, I can't even tell you for years, I would go to different sporting events, different practices, different press conferences. I literally was the only woman. And I remember during those times specifically every year. Um, come February and March, I always wanted to do something specific for the celebration of the anniversary of title nine. And I always wanted to do something for national women and girls in sports day. And I. went up against opposition of like, why are we doing this?

There weren't celebrations. There weren't LinkedIn posts congratulating the women who worked at sports clubs and all this stuff. And I literally got people being like, wait, that's a day. And now fast forward, I've been doing this for.

you know 15 plus years it's incredible to me to see how many women um and minorities are populating the sports side of things specifically to your point brad like i love seeing women getting in on the play-by-play and um finding other ways and and finally we've had kind of a

generation of professional female athletes so we're getting them as analysts now too which is really special but i love every march for national women and girls in sports day now that like i go onto linkedin and there's a post from The NFL, there's a post for major league soccer. There's a post for major league baseball congratulating and recognizing all the incredible women in their organizations because.

Before, it was just such a minority. I still think there's a long way to go, but I love that the opportunities are there. I mean, even like, look at, I think Keely and I talk about this all the time. Keely is the only woman in major league soccer that is a director of broadcasting. That is incredible. And even for the 15 years that I've been doing this.

She is one of the few consecutive women that I have gotten the opportunity to work with on a regular basis. And that is special. Yeah, that's really cool. No, great. And just sorry, just really quick, just like. as someone who's worked with Michelle, like the cool thing is we lift each other up and that's why representation is so important because the more of us that are around, the more we can help give each other opportunities.

No, exactly. And that's what I want to speak to. So for sure, I don't know if people believe me when I say this, but I'm going to say this all the time. I am a massive fan of women's sports. Let me explain it this way. March Madness. I can name you rosters. I mean, I'm saying player one to the end of the bench on multiple women's teams. I know Cooper flag on the men's side. I don't know nobody else. I go to the Storm games. I go to the Rain games. For me, it's huge in that sense.

Even though the World Cup coming here is going to be sort of like the men's World Cup upcoming here, it'll be a big moment for Seattle in general. I think moments like this, to Brad's point, how important is it going to be that FIFA, whoever makes decisions... does even in those situations include women with visible roles covering the games? You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. How important is that? Speak to that a bit on that kind of stage.

Yeah. First of all, I love that you're a women's sports fan, Steve. And I have got to say like, as a woman in this space. you and brad i cannot say enough good things about how supportive the two you guys have been of my career of me as a person of other women like i just appreciate you guys because

While we want the majority of people to be like that, that's not always the case. And I love that you love women's basketball so much. I'm a huge women's basketball fan too. It's just totally different than the men's game in such a fun way. And anyway, I just love it. The athletes are incredible. Anyway, so back. Back to what you're saying, FIFA. You know, there's a lot of things that I think can be said.

You know, we hear about FIFA, this, that, and the other thing. But we have to really look at the good that FIFA has done for women's soccer worldwide. And it's incredible the opportunities and the programs and the development and the things that they do to give back and grow. And how much that has changed and affected so many young women's lives across the whole world in countries where they maybe previously would never have gotten an opportunity. And I think that also goes for the whole.

production of it too which is really cool and when we like look to even the local um organizing committee here in seattle that's putting on seattle's involvement there are several amazing women in that group are making it a reality and I just think you know it's it's it's so true if you see them you can be them and I think

At these games, not only will it be great for the generation of kids who maybe want to play soccer and think, oh, maybe I can be a pro soccer player someday, man or woman, but also these kids that are like. look, there's a female trainer. Maybe I could be a trainer. Or there's a female sideline reporter. Or look at all these women that are helping organize and run this and stuff. And it's just an opportunity in a way. Because as kids, I feel like our world is a small...

Like we don't know what we don't know. And so it's like, you don't even know what jobs and possibilities and stuff are out there. And so I think it's going to be a really amazing opportunity for our community to see the possibility of what a huge global event. can do in so many ways and I do again the things that you can say about FIFA I do appreciate the amount of support overall that they have had for the women's involvement in the men's game, but also the growth of the women's game.

Now that you've kind of, you said there's a trainer, there's a sideline reporter. And I know football has had one female. assistant coach, I think, or maybe two. And the Kraken. And the Kraken, right? Hockey, NBA, I think there's a few. Women on staff with Greg Popovich. You look at women's soccer. There's a ton of men's coaches, ton of men's assistant coaches, but you look at major league soccer and the men's soccer game there.

I'm not aware of one in Major League Soccer of a female assistant coach even. I'm sure that there's always been, you know, nutritionists in the background and trainers and da-da-da. I wonder when that mold is going to break. You can't tell me that Laura Harvey or MH that they can't coach. Wouldn't be an asset. Yeah.

so for me it's like don't get me started on how amazing i think laura harvey is like that woman is a baller like she is just oh yeah yeah so it can happen so i'm agreeing yeah i don't know i mean how far are we from something like that that seems yeah I would like to think that it's like the next thing. I mean, we just broke through with hockey. You gave out the examples there of some of the other sports. I think baseball is another one that we're getting closer.

And I really think like, I mean, you guys too, as former players. I don't think it would be an issue or it would be, I think players are at the point now too, where it's like, they don't care if you're a man, woman, whatever. If you know the game, you know the game.

Yeah, I agree. I would love to learn from Laura Harvey and I spent time around her. I think she's great. I have a kind of a fun question here. We know, you know, Michelle, sports analyst, sideline reporter, Michelle, the amazing person. We don't know Michelle. soccer player so you've covered the sounders for a very long time which player from the sounders could be past present most similarly plays how you played

That's a great question. Wow. That is Steve. First of all, A plus on the question. Can't say left or right bench. Well, okay, but we also, we have to put this in context, you guys. I played for a long time. I was a striker. We also have to remember, I developed early as a child. I was five foot five in fifth grade. I was a tall girl. I was tall. I was fast. I kind of had a leg up, if you will, on my cohorts.

Well, I mean, I was, I was a goal scorer and I was a little flashy in that. And so people, I mean, I, I actually can't even believe that I'm about to say this, but like, and this is me probably like pumping myself up here. I can't, you guys. Okay. Okay. Don't, don't judge me. I'm going to go with Clint Dempsey. I love it. I was, I was confident. I had a little swagger to me.

I thought I knew what I was doing. And Clint does know what he was doing. He was an incredible player. But in the time that I grew up and the teams that I was on, not to toot my own horn, because again, we have to remember, I was a youth player. I was good. I was good. And I knew I was good. I worked really hard at it. And I, it was as a young girl, it was.

All I could have hoped for for my confidence and in developing who I was as a person, because I think it's so important for kids to find something that they're good at and excel at. And for me, soccer was the thing that made me feel good. Yeah. That's awesome. No, I think that's absolutely amazing. Last one from me, Michelle.

so now obviously we see you um working with us at the sounders you know um for years we traveled on the road together we've been around this for a long time but you're back now so we kind of your first role so first company you were with um fox 13 i'm speaking a bit about that um how that came about and sort of some of the things you'll be doing with them now Yeah, this is so, so wonderful. Blast from the past. I was with Fox 13 for about 10 years.

You know, as we all know, the world changed in the pandemic. Another opportunity kind of came up for me at that point in time. And I took it. I went and jumped into the tech sphere for a little while. I wanted to try something out new. But they are so wonderful. They came back to me and they're like, we'd love to have you come back and join us again. And I'm a new mom. And so I'm kind of trying to figure out what life is like as a new mom, a new working mom. And so.

I'm just back kind of on a little part time basis with them for right now, kind of filling in wherever they need me. If it's if it's on Washington Sports Wrap, which is their wonderful sports show that they have Monday through Friday at 730. I've done that a couple of times. I'll be popping in there today.

Just got done filling in on Studio 13 Live, which is their daytime talk show. Just kind of, you know, being a jack of all trades, a team player, wherever they need me, I'm happy to jump in and join them. I'm very excited that they have given me the... green flag to be doing some Sounders stuff which is really fun as I've alluded to that's kind of my number one passion and then obviously any excuse to do more work with you guys and the rest of the team is that but yeah looking forward to

contributing and doing whatever they'll let me do for as long as they'll let me do it. This is a great segue. Sorry, Michelle will be hosting Pre-Half and Post Radio this weekend, San Jose. Yes, she'll be hosting Pre-Half and Post. Really excited about that. And tune in on the iHeart app and listen to more of her beautiful voice. Oh, that's amazing. Thanks, Michelle. I love you guys. Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you. We'll see you soon. See you, Michelle. Thank you.

Always so great to have Michelle with us. We've got a few lots there, but it's great to have her back there. Of course, you said sound is disappointing. Result. at the weekend but the great thing about this sport always gives you a chance to get it right and now it's going to be on the road for the next couple of weekends in going to california starting up with san jose earthquakes this week and keely broadcast info yep broadcast info english

is a stream on the iHeart app. Michelle Ludka will be hosting pre-half and post. Jackson Feltz is stepping in for play-by-play with Danny Jackson. He's just out of town for the week. He'll be back for San Diego. And then Brad Evans will be on the call with him.

exciting so make sure you tune in for that and we'll be back next week recapping that result and then looking forward to the next game which will be the first ever matchup in Major League Soccer between Sounders and the new expansion San Diego that should be a very very good game to follow but between now and then comment like subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and we'll be back next week

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