And then it's time one more time to get solar powered. We welcome you back to the solar powered podcast where we celebrate the world changing magic of ordinary people telling extraordinary stories. My name is Ryan Hall, and I think I've got a fascinating conversation with, for you here today.
Have you ever been a tie, had a time in your life where you've just been going through hell, where you've just been going through everything and all of the trauma, all of the pain, all of the, all of the mess from your past has started to come back to haunt you. And you kind of feel like you're Forrest Gump and you just need it to start running, but you need to get lost to find yourself again. And I think I have a, really a beautiful example of this here today. Her name is Jackie Baldwin.
She is a previous guest on the podcast, but she is the author of, I think, a really powerful new book called the bend in the river, where she tells her personal story that includes well, kayaking the Connecticut river and, how she found herself by doing so. And, she joins us here today. Jackie Baldwin, welcome back to the solar powered podcast. Thank you for getting, solar powered with us today, my friend. Oh, thank you, Ryan. And I always enjoy being on your podcast. Really grateful to be here.
Well, the pleasure is all mine. Well, I I seem to remember one of our previous conversations that you you kinda dropped the hint about this book, the bend in the river being being in the pipeline. Can you tell us a little bit about just kind of the the germ of the idea and how it got started? Yes. Absolutely. So back in 2020, I believe it was April of 2020, but actually if we can remember back that far, it was COVID. It hit. The world had shut down in March.
And, part of the networking group that I was in and, I believe you were in as well or however you had gotten involved, you and I both answered the call to write a chapter for a book called The Great Paws. And so that was, where it kind of came from. I actually went to college to be a writer for television. That's what I wanted to do. Now I'm a financial adviser, so go figure. But, in any event, when this all came about, I was like, oh, this is my time to start writing again.
And so I wrote that chapter and, and then shortly after that, there was another opportunity, another call put out to write a chapter of a more personal nature for a book for ladies power lunch called, transformation 2020. And we we were supposed to write a chapter. They were looking for chapters of how our lives have transformed.
Well, that one was a very personal story and I was a little leery of putting it out there, but I did and it was so well received and so many people said, oh my goodness. Thank you for writing about your story and your transformation. That's been an encouragement. And I thought, wow. I I think I should write an entire book on this because I had a lot to share. And so that's really where that this whole the birthing of this book kind of came from was were those two chapters.
And really kind of putting dipping my foot in the water a little bit, and realizing that the world didn't stop just because I put my personal information out there, then it actually was an encouragement to people. And it really was because I like, one of my, you know, one of the things that I work with my clients the most about is the idea that we're putting our personal stories out there. We're getting raw and vulnerable and it can be super scary.
I mean, I've been doing this for a long time and I still have moments just asking myself why in the world that I share this piece? Why did I talk about this? Like I'm currently putting together an outline, for my second memoir, about my own transformation in. I guess in service of my soul puppy, so to speak. But. You know, it even like it, even like the fear even comes out for me.
And I'd love to hear some thoughts from you about just kind of how some of those fears showed up and how you and how you got supported around it and how you kind of got past those fears to even to even hit publish on this book. No. You've you've hit the nail on the head. I mean, it was terrifying for me to to put this out and, for anybody who hasn't read the book yet, all I'm gonna say is chapter 1's a doozy. And it's it's raw and rough, and you just have to get through it.
As a matter of fact, I I say that isn't like I know this was a hard way to start a book, but just push through because I promise it gets better. But, you know, I had a sufferance from childhood trauma and it was that was very difficult to share. I had not shared that publicly in in such a grand way. And I you know, when you're writing a book and I'm sure Ryan you feel like this, you don't have any control over who's gonna read that.
Like if I'm in a group of people and I share my story I know who's in the room. But when you're writing a book and you're putting it out there for the world to see, you have no control over who's going to see that. You can't say, oh, I didn't want that person to read it or that person in my life to read it. It's now out there. And so you have to be ready for that. So there's something terrifying and yet liberating about that all at the same time.
So what I had done was I, back in 2020, when I started this, I basically was going through a divorce. I had gone through my divorce. I was trying to heal from all of that. And I've been journaling a lot. And I had gone through a lot of different types of healing whether it be talk therapy, coaching, a number of different things. And I had a journal that I was keeping, and I basically took the journal and started turning it into a book.
And I had written the bulk of it 4 years ago, but the book just was published in July. And the reason why it took so long was because I printed it off, put it in a 3 ring binder with the intention of just going through and editing it and bam getting it out. Well every time I open the book up and I read like that first chapter, I couldn't read. I had to close it every time. I wasn't ready.
And so I have to I realized I had more healing to do before I could put this out there for the world to read. So it took me 4 years from that beginning time when I had the bulk of the the book written to to go through my healing journey and then be ready to share that with the world. And, even at that point when I hit the button to send it to the publisher I was like oh am I making a mistake? You know, it's still terrifying.
But, once I got past it and it was out and I heard how it was reaching so many people, I knew I had done the right thing and I just kinda put the rest of that aside. But there is that time where you're like, oh my goodness. What am I doing? What am I doing? For sure. Yeah. Could not relate to that more. Could not relate to that more because there's just I feel like there's a I feel like the people you know, it's like you said. We don't have any control over who our story is received by.
We're just the vessel to be able to share that story. Mhmm. Yes. And and when you release it from that point, from that high up, it's liberating. It's terrifying. Don't get me wrong, but it's incredibly liberating. It's incredibly freeing Just to know that when you close your eyes at night, your story has encouraged somebody to take a look at their own life, to take a look at their own place in the world. Yeah. And I don't I don't know.
Ryan, you've written many, many books, so you'll have to tell me whether you would agree with this. But once I made the decision to publish it, I released it and it was no longer my book, if that makes sense. I released it to the world and I don't I didn't feel the need to try to keep keep it back or I have no expectations for the book. It is now out there and whatever is gonna be done with it and however it's gonna be used is how it was meant to be used. I have no no hold on it anymore.
When you're in the writing and the creation stage, that's where I have a hold on it, and that's where I controlled it. But once I released it to publishing, it was no longer I felt like it was no longer my book in that respect. I hid it was it was now out there to the world. I feel that.
I totally feel that, and I, like, I couldn't agree more because when you when you're in that moment, when you're sitting in the coffee shop or when you're sitting on your bed late at night, working, you know, piping away, it could be a very kind of visceral experience.
But when you finally can hold a book in your hands that you have written, that is when you know, Hey, you don't know who's going to be, you know, you don't know who's going to be ordering it on Amazon or ordering it or buying it in a bookstore. You release your control over that and that even as much experience as I have with this, that's still a that's still kind of a common fear that shows up with me. It's just who is going to, you know, who is going to read that?
I have to remind myself, you've written the story. You've shared it. Now share it with the world. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's one of those things too during the writing process. Part of me, I'm not gonna lie. Most of it when I the the early stages, I was writing it really for me. And so everything I was writing, I wasn't trying to filter or try to picture who's gonna read this.
But then as I got closer to publishing time, I started rereading it under a different lens of who's gonna read this and how and I had to be careful, and that was the thing too. I had to be careful not to change it for the reader because what I wrote was for the reader ultimately. And so that was kinda hard. I had to make sure I didn't change things dramatically just because I was afraid of who was gonna read it. I had to keep it raw in where it was but that's sometimes difficult to do.
And that feeling of, oh, I who's gonna read this? Oh, I should change this because this person might be triggered by that or this might not be, you know. It I found myself doing that almost trying to rewrite the whole book and I was like, stop. Just stop. I I totally hear that. I totally hear that. Well, let's pardon the pun. Let's dive into the book a little bit because because it's, like, it it's a it's a very straightforward book to read.
Like, I think I I told you earlier in our conversation before we recorded, I think it took me 2 sittings to read through it. It's a it's a short book, but there's a lot of meat on those bones. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And I and it's funny because, really, every chapter could stand alone by itself. It isn't necessarily a book, and I think that's why it like, it kinda leads into one another, but mostly, it's just a every chapter, there's something there for somebody.
I feel like there's some everybody who picks it up can find something in that book that they can resonate with. And I think that's what I have heard from people responding to me that they're feeling. And that makes me really happy. And that's and I will say that was kind of the intention was to not have every chapter so heavy like chapter 1. You know, I wanted there to be other chapters that people could relate to that maybe they hadn't gone through trauma.
They just it's they're just living life, and life can be hard sometimes. So that's why I I was really happy to hear that it seemed to resonate with there's something in the book for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. That, yeah, there really is. And kind of on its surface, it's a story about a woman kayaking the Connecticut river with her dogs. But and I know you can speak to this a lot better than I can, but it's a lot deeper than that. It's about finding yourself after, you know, after going through hell.
Mhmm. Yeah. So well, I'll just explain the title of the book, The Bend in the River. Sure. That came to me so quickly because when you're kayaking on on the river now just for your audience, I made the decision to, I have a goal to paddle all 410 miles of the Connecticut River And it starts in the Connecticut lakes up near Canada and it ends in the Long Island Sound. So there's 410 miles. And I only have a 175 miles left, so I'm pretty pretty proud of that.
So what I've discovered is being on the water, you could be in great what we call flat water. It's beautiful. Paddling along. No no wind. You know? No waves. No disturbances. Bright sunny day, gorgeous. You can go around on the same day within an hour. You can turn a bend in the river and because of the currents, because of the way the the mountains are, what have you, the wind can pick up. You can end up in choppy water.
You could end up, as I discuss in the book with a ton of motorboats all around you where, so things can turn on a dime and you didn't know that until you turned that bend in the river and that's life. We could be going along smooth. Everything's beautiful and then bam. You turn a bend in your life and all of a sudden mayhem ensues. And you have to navigate it. We can't get off the ride. You have to stay going through it.
And so I wanted people to kinda relate to my what I've discovered through being able to navigate these rough waters. Navigating that with the with rough parts of my life and how it has built up resilience. I've discovered I'm stronger than I ever knew. And, just to the point of, you know, I couldn't I didn't have an option during these tough times on the water. I couldn't get off. I had to keep going. I had to get to where my car was so I didn't really have a choice.
And that's really what life is all about. And then looking back on that rough time when you're off in safety or you're back in flat water again and saying, wow, I made it through that. Wow, I'm really proud of myself. I'm stronger than I knew. You know, it's it that's what, the bend in the river is all about And every chapter kinda has that little bit of a story of rough water with what did I learn from that? What did I gain from that? What was the blessing to take from that?
And I think if we navigate through life, even in the darkest, toughest moments, there are blessings to find. You might not be able to see it right away, but over time, when you look back on it, you're gonna find the blessing in it. And I think that's pretty cool. That's an understatement, my friend. That that that's definitely an understatement because when, like, when you're out on the water like, there there's a section that I'd love for you to talk about this.
When you're out on the water and like a sudden storm hits or, or you're surrounded by tugboats and barges and a bunch of like jet skis. And you're just like totally getting thrown off your equilibrium. It can, you know, it can be super scary. Like I remember, my dad and I used to go fishing a lot, ironically on the black warrior river in Tuscaloosa, Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Mhmm. And I remember a, well, like, a sudden late summer storm hit.
Now we're on, you know, we're we're on a motorized bass boat. I mean, we're, you know, we're pretty secure. Mhmm. But, like, I I remember I was in the 8th grade and this sudden storm hit, and we're trying to get back to shelter. And dad had forgotten to bungee, to to tie the bungee cord on the cooler. And the lid of that cooler flew off and smacked me in the head. And we both laughed about it for a while, but that scared me for a while.
But it also, you know, kinda kinda reminds me of just how, just how, like you said, you can take a bend in the river and, you know, you're, you're, you're in peaceful waters. All hell's breaking loose. Yeah. When you just described that, all the word that came to me was vulnerable. And when we hit times like that, that's when we discover no matter how tough we thought we were. At the end of the day, we're all pretty vulnerable as well.
And that can be terrifying to realize how vulnerable you are and how fragile at the end of the day we are. And yet it's in those very times that we discover how really strong we are and how resilient we are. So at the same time that you're feeling vulnerable, when you make it through that and you've you've navigated that, now you're like, oh my goodness. See? I I was vulnerable and yet I was strong enough to make it through. So what it does for me is it says bring it. I can handle it.
Yeah. I'm not gonna feel good. I'm gonna feel vulnerable again in my life but I'm gonna be able to survive that. And I think that's, you know, the one of the pieces that you're talking about in the in the book was I had been the cover of the book was a picture I had taken on my cheap phone and it was beautiful and within an hour I was in total mayhem and chaos and I thought I was literally almost in tears. Actually I probably did cry at one point because I thought I'm gonna die out here.
I'm really gonna die out here because the boats were all over the place. The the waves, literal waves, nobody thinks of waves on the river but these were waves. They were waking my boat. They were coming over the thing. And not only was it me but I as a dog mom, I had my 2 dogs on board and I thought, oh my gosh. Not only I'm so selfish. I'm here putting myself in harm's way and now these dogs are in this in this with me and they had no choice. They trusted me.
So, like, all this stuff is going through my head and I just wanted to pull off and cry. And I thought, I don't have that luxury. I gotta push through. And so I dug deep and I just I got very focused and I made it through. And it took every ounce of energy and strength and grit, emotional grit that I had to get through it. But I did and it taught me, 1, not to go out on a Saturday near a marina in the middle of the summer. Okay? So I did learn a lesson.
But even if I did find myself in that situation again, I was gonna be okay. I was I was strong enough and I could do it. And so I was able to laugh about it at one point. Finally, I I describe in the book it's like being on a bicycle on the highway in rush hour traffic. And that's what it really felt like. I'm a little tiny boat. You know my little inflatable kayak low on the water and all these boats are speeding past me.
They got sloppier and sloppier as the day went on because they were drinking and whatnot. And so I was really thinking, oh my goodness. And yet at one point, I just had to laugh about it. Like you're saying when you got hit in the head. But, you know, once you're over the, like, the initial fear, you're like, okay. This is this is so ridiculous that I all I can do is really laugh about it. And and that's how you get through. Yeah. Yeah. Could you look back on it?
Because because you're able to look back on it with a perspective of being able to survive the worst of your days. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. You know, I was going through, like, my divorce. I thought I was I was so broken and so hurt and so I I talked about that in the book as well which I won't, you know, get into here but I mean that was dark. Dark, dark, dark. And yet I look back on it now, I'm not laughing about it. It certainly isn't anything to laugh about.
But I do look back on it and I say, wow. Yeah. I made it through that. And, and and I'm better for it. You know? It didn't take me down and I actually am better for it. And I'm able to help others. And so that's, like, the greatest thing that can happen from when you were enduring very dark times in your life is when you can look back on it and find the blessing in it and then use that and help others to navigate what you've just come through.
I think that's the most beautiful thing we can ever do in life. Did not agree more. You know, I'm I'm reminded as you as you share that. What came up for me is this this metaphor that I like to use of, like, the rubble of a blown up building. Like, you're climbing out from the rubble of that blown up building. Like, everything is like, everything is dark. Everything is desolate.
But when you get to the top of that rubble and you can start to see that light poke through, that is that not only is that hour, but that's also reminding you. And I know you're a woman of, a pretty deep faith, but that's also kind of reminding that there's something higher than all of us. And there's something inexplicable for all of us. That's just keeping us here. You know? Amen to that. And that's a beautiful analogy. And then I'll take it one step further.
Imagine that when you now can see the daylight, you hear a voice still calling into the rubble and you take a step back and reach your hand in to help them out to help them find the light. That's ultimately what it's all about. Like, when you make it out, I believe it is my duty to go back and help us to see the light as well. Yeah. That gave me chills. That gave me chills because just giving giving when when you've gone through it Mhmm.
And you can help somebody if if you can help lead somebody Mhmm. To brighter and brighter light, there's no greater feeling. Absolutely. Because guess what? We all had that. Somebody helped me. I had people in my life that reached their hand to me and pulled me out. I didn't do it by myself. And, yes, I do have a a very strong faith, and I know that God was there the whole time. But he also put people in my life to help give me that hand to pull me out.
And it's my duty to now go and do the same for others. And I want to. And I I desire. That's my mission. Yeah. And I think and I think that that reason right there is why this book is so real just resonated so much with me because, you know, when you go when you go through those dark times, there's always going to be people. There's always going to be people holding their hand out, giving you, you know, giving you English. You're completely isolated from the world.
There's always gonna be people out there giving you a hand saying, how can I help? How can I help lead you towards x, y, and z? Did you mention that in the book as well? You know, I found myself in that period of time where, through some circumstances and family crisis that I wasn't able to keep my business, growing the way it should have been. And so I ended up in a financial situation during COVID that was difficult. And so I, I had to be humble enough to say I can't do this on my own.
And yet that was one of the greatest gifts I've ever been given was when I had to reach my hand out and have others help me and put my pride aside. It was the greatest gift I could have ever received because now when I'm giving that help to someone else I fully can appreciate their gratitude because I was there I felt that gratitude it's deep It's much more so than me just saying, yeah, I'm gonna go, you know, feed people who are food insecure. Well, I was food insecure.
And to have people give me the food with smiles on their faces and with this gracious heart, it touched me so I was sobbing. And then the next week when I was serving food to those who needed it, I looked in their eyes and I saw something totally different than I'd ever seen before. And that was, again, the greatest gift I could have ever gotten because now I understood completely what it meant to these people for me to be giving them the food because I felt it myself.
I think that was very powerful for me. Yeah. Amen to that. Be a better giver. Giver. And I think they say that in the book, you know, when I had to be the receiver, it made me such a better giver. And that's such a gift. Yeah. That's that that's incredibly powerful. Just giving me chills over here.
Well, I have to say one of, like, one of my favorite chapters, and I'd love for you to speak a little bit about this, but one of my favorite chapters in the whole book was chapter 4 called the island of if only. Yeah. And you use that chapter as almost kind of a metaphor of how people can find healing even when they're in various stages of their lives.
I I really love this chapter, and I love for you to speak a little bit about just how and you you kind of, like, you kind of, you know, alluded to it in that last statement. But if you could speak a little bit about just how people can relate to that chapter who might not have read your book yet. No. Absolutely. I excuse me. This this chapter, I have found re really resonates with everybody that I've ever talked to. So, yeah, maybe they haven't gone through childhood trauma.
They haven't gone through divorce. They haven't done some of the other things. This chapter, I think, everybody can relate to. And, you know, especially in this world of social media where, you know, you go online and you look at all these people who, you know, I just bought a new car or, you know, I have this wonderful family or I just got this new job or I took this vacation. And you sit there and you say, oh, if only I had more money. If only my health was better. You know, it goes on and on.
If only, if only. And, you know, I think in that respect, it's I found myself short changing myself in my life because I was waiting for the next I was waiting for it to be better. Like I was waiting for to get off this island if if only. And I described it as a desolate island, not one of those lovely tropical islands that we, you know, we see on the the in the movies or, you know, the travel channel or whatever. This was a desolate island that had nothing.
And I felt that I would never get off of it or I felt I had to just keep waiting for somebody to come rescue me off of this island. And I could hear the beautiful music playing on the other island. I could smell lovely food, you know, the wafting of the food from the other islands, but I couldn't get there. And I discovered, you know, that yeah, it The island I'm on isn't always desolate either. Like it might be rough but I don't have to wait for somebody to rescue me.
I don't have to wait for something to be better. I I can actually turn that island into something for myself. And I can get to that beautiful island with the the pretty music and and the trees and all that. And I may end up back on that desolate island, You know back to the analogy of going around the bend in the river. But I know I can get back to the island where it's beautiful.
And I think that there's blessings to be found in all of that and when we're looking at Facebook and things like that that's I know myself when I look back on some of the posts that I made even during my marriage and I was like oh my goodness who was saying that? That's not how my life really was. You know I was making it sound all rosy and happy and and all that. And I was like, oh my gosh. That wasn't true.
And I had to really start understanding that when I'm reading other people's posts, I can't be jealous of that. I'm gonna have to look at my own life and find the beauty around me instead of waiting for tomorrow. Because you know what? While I'm waiting for tomorrow, I'm not enjoying today. And that's such a shame because tomorrow is never promised. And so I really need to enjoy each and every day no matter how rotten it may feel there's something in that day that I can pull out as a blessing.
And I don't need to be waiting for anything that I don't need to beat myself up over decisions I've made. That's the what if part. You know, what if I hadn't done this? What if I hadn't done that? My life would be so different today. Well, guess what? Those things are all why my life is why it is today, and it's beautiful. And so I don't ever say, well, what if anymore? It's it's all beautiful at the end of the day. It all weaves together in a beautiful tapestry at the end of the day.
I just can't always see it at the moment, but I've learned to be patient and to not say what if and just say, yeah, this is this is it. This is beautiful. So I feel like that hopefully will help people when they read it. Instead of always saying, well what if I had done this differently or if I had done that differently? Well, you didn't. So there's no sense in dwelling on it.
Yeah. Yeah. You know what what came up for me as you're sharing that was, I use this analogy a lot, but this idea of being on a, you know, being in a jazz ensemble, like being on a, like, being in a jazz band, not jazz is jazz music is so much about improvisation. Now you may go into a, you may go into a song. There's a basic structure to be sure, but you're, you've got to play off of each other. The drummer's gotta play off the bass player.
The bass player's gotta play off the, you know, piano player off the guitar player, and you've got to play off of each other, but you've, you've got a basic idea of what the song is going to sound like. But the audience that is watching this show may not know where, you know, where something is going to go. Honestly, the people on stage might not even know where they're going to go, but it's going to wind up in something incredibly powerful because there's a lot of thrust up on that stage.
And then when you just said, there's a lot of trust that you're going to find that beautiful island with the palm trees and with the umbrella drains. Mhmm. Mhmm. Absolutely. Enjoy the journey on the way. Don't don't change yourself. You know, don't say, well, if only this or, you know, I'll wait until tomorrow for somebody to rescue me out of this situation. Really, I work really hard at trying to find the joy and the blessing of every single day even if it was a rough day. I really do.
And some days it's a lot harder than others and sometimes it takes a day or 2 for me to look back and find that blessing. I can't always find it in the moment. Trust me. But I always try to make sure that I don't let it get too far because I used I spent my life really wishing something different. I wish wished I was a different person. Wishing that the the things that happened to me as a child hadn't happened. And I wasted a whole lot of time in the what if. And I don't wanna do that anymore.
And so I don't And I think that I dare say I have fewer days ahead than I do in the past behind me. And so I intend on living every day to its fullest and, and no longer waiting for the what if. I think that's a powerful spot to leave off on Jackie. One last question. Mhmm. What is the, if somebody were to, you know, when somebody picks up a copy of this book, what do you hope is the great, the greatest, like one piece of value that a reader could take away from this book?
I guess just I want people to feel encouraged and empowered that no matter what your what water you're on at the moment, whether it be good or bad, that there is hope. And, especially if you've if you're really going through it, Know that don't get discouraged just because you may have tried different different things to help heal you and you're sitting there saying, well, that didn't work. It's hopeless.
I have found that I've gone through a lot of different modalities of healing and each piece was so important and I wouldn't be where I'm at today if it weren't for all those pieces layering together. So years of talk therapy, just because I didn't heal at the moment doesn't mean it was a waste of time. It all played together and I think I just want people to walk away feeling encouraged even if you're in a really that dark place or those really choppy waters right now.
I just want you to know that there is calm water ahead. And, you know, so the one of the last lines in the book is, may you have fair winds and following seas and that's a you know it's an old, I got this. It's a basically a saying that was said to to sailors when they would go out on the water. And I just that's what I desire for everybody. And I write that when I'm signing books now, I put that in there. May you have fair winds and following seas all the days ahead.
And it doesn't mean that you won't have some choppy waters in there, but it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. And I just that's what I want people to know. It's gonna be okay. Yeah. Amen to that. Jackie, this has been an incredibly powerful conversation. You know, I could go on forever. Thank you so much for taking the time today. How can people find you, and how can people get a copy of this incredible book? So, honestly, with the book, I created a page for the dogs.
So Baxter and Lulu are my faithful puppy companions. And, so I created a Instagram page. I thought I said Facebook. I didn't mean that. Instagram page, and it's c t river pups. And when you go there, you can start following our journey. There's some, pictures from the the past.
I just did 55 miles in September, was our latest journey and so there's pictures in there and some descriptions and you'll get to see our see the cute dogs, our boat, and get a real flavor for what I talk about in the book. You actually can see what I'm talking about. So I would encourage you to to go there. And if you ever if anybody wants to message me, just message me through there, CT River Pups. And I thank you so much for, thank you so much for sharing that.
Thank you so much for share for taking the time today, and, love to do it again. Awesome. Thank you, Ryan. As always, it's such a pleasure to with you. I'm grateful for your friendship. As I'm my Jackie. Thank you so much. And thank you so much for watching and listening to the solar powered podcast, a presentation of Royal hearts media. For more information about me, just go to royal hearts media.com.
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