Wade Ormsby

get the back, he didn't get any money upfront. But he's at a stage in his career where he thought it was a good move and that's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to him. I mean, I've known him for a long time. He's one of professional golf globetrotters. He's played on tours all over the world, Asia, Europe, South Africa, Australasia, did a stint on what's now the Web. But back then, you know, maybe five six years ago, had some status on the corn Ferry, which it was

corn Fairy. I think I don't even know what it was called back then when he was playing it. But um, he's always been a very very good ball striker. Who played his college golf in the United States at the University of Houston. And like I said, he's just one of those players that, given the fact that he was from Australia, he had to try and figure out a place to play and and and that's I think that there were more players like him than there are the guys that you see on full swing flying around on

private jets. So I think it's a really good interview. I really like Wade Ormsby's golf swing and um, I think it's a good interview. So sit back and enjoy Wade Ormsby. All Right, Wade, um your journey to where you are today. I mean, I think I always find it really interesting, you know, the guys from South Africa, the guys from Australia. I mean, it's it's so far to go to get out of that situation, and I think so many players, I mean, it just seems normal

now out. I mean, you went to play college golf in America and went to the University of Houston. But that's to get to that point. It's not easy when you live in Australia to get on the radar of college golf coaches. You guys make it look easy. Talk to me about that process, what you were like is a junior and how you got made that big jump to go play college golf in America and kind of

start your really competitive career. Yeah. Absolutely, We're a long way away from the rest of the world down there in Australia, you know. So yeah, I guess when you start playing golf in twelve thirteen and you start getting a little bit better, and then you start looking at junior golf and start looking at golf in America and all that, and you kind of want to get there.

So by first and foremost just trying to get good in Australia, and then for me, the college golf scene was really kicking off and a few guys from Australia were starting to go. So I'm from Adelaide in Australia, which isn't Melbourne and Sydney. It's not as big as big as city, so we didn't have access to so much of the big programs, I guess, so I had to kind of look at other avenues, you know. The Australian Institute of Sport was an option for me, but

then college golf was where my head was at. So had a pretty good run I think ninety six OSSI amateur and that kind of put me on the radar a bit of for I guess us college coaches. And then I've got a few recruiting trips. One here in Tuson actually, coach Rick Leros come up and saw me. I'll come here back in ninety seven, I think for a recruiting trip. So um, yeah, you just you do got to travel. You do got to get out of

Australia to try and get that Northern Hemisphere golf. And yeah, it's a long way away from home, but that's the plunge you got to make to try to be good in this game. So forty two, Adam Scott, you and Scotty kind of grew up together. And was he was he the same as he was as a kid as he is now? I mean, was he the guy that everybody wanted to be? The cool guy? I mean, obviously Scotty's blessed with it all right. I mean, yeah, he's

a good looking guy, he's in great shape. Yeah, he's over six feet time and he's got to me one of the greatest golf swings of all time. What was Scotty like as a kid, and what was it like playing junior golf with him? Because to this day, if you're at a tournament and you and Scottie were both in the field, you guys are going to play practice round. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, were still great mate. So I spent a bit of time with him before the season up up in Queensland.

But yeah, going back, you know, both our dads are golf pros and they both knew each other. And then he's originally from Adelaide, even though moved to Queensland as a young bloke. And yeah, exactly, so we went all the way through junior golf. YEP. Scotty was a lot better.

He was just I remember watching him at fourteen and he was hitting shots like a grown man and ball flights like that, and I was just trying to scrap it down the middle of the fairway and try and punch out a number of which and try to try to hang on to him. But we had Aaron Baddeley was coming through there at the same time. He was seriously good. And yes, so I think Scottie and I both went to college at the same time and he didn't last as long as me. I didn't last a distance.

But I think we've made the right decision now. But it's kind of difficult you're trying to map your own way through there. I remember being out in Vegas playing the I think it was a golf digest back then on things that your dad's course at Rio's sacre and I'm trying to put my best Adam Scott Tiger impersonation as your dad's walking up and down the line there. So no, it's um, yeah, it's yeah. I love hanging around Adam. You know, he's such a such a great

role model. Even though it's a similar age to me, I still look up to him. He does so many things right and he's a great guys every bit that you see. Why do you think we've had so many great players? I mean, I ask Scottie this question. I'm out of the pod last year. What do you think we've had so many great players come out of Australia.

I mean the list is, you know, you've got Adam Scotts, You've got the Greg Norman's, You've got guys like Wayne Grady who won major champions of Peter Thompson, Steve Elkton, there is this There are those that have come before all of the guys and now Cam Smith has won a major championship. Jason Day, what is it about Australia

that is bred and given us so many great players? Yeah, I probably can't put my finger on the exact thing, you know, but we are a sports mad country and we do Yeah, we're doing love competing and we're pretty tough competitive thing. And I think with professional golf individual lot we touched on before you got to go to the Northern Hemisphere, you got to give up a lot of home. You got to give up everything your family to go and chase your dreams of being a professional golfer.

And and it's tough, you know. I remember going to college and I almost contemplated not going because yeah, it was pretty close to my family. And I was like, I need to take this plunge if I want to be any good. And and I'm still going, I'm still chasing, I'm still pushing. What that twenty five years later? And that's I think it makes it pretty tough when you leave home. You know, you just got to make it stick.

You can't fly home and see your parents and see your family on a Sunday night, like a lot of guys in America and Europe can do. You just got to stick it out and put some good people around you and try and survive out there, because it's pretty tough sometimes. You mentioned that you know the Aussi you said that choose to continue to live in down in

Australia regardless of which tour you're playing. If you're playing on the PGA Tour, if you're playing in Europe, it's not a miss to cut on a Friday night and I get home tape think you have to go out and that it's interesting you mentioned that you have to go if you're going to play on the European Tour, which you have, you're in the path. You know that if you're going to go play three or four events, regardless of whether you make the cuts, play well, you're

out for three to three weeks or a month. There isn't the opportunity to just nip home for a couple of days, see the family and then come back out. Geographically, It makes it very very difficult. Do you think that's that helps you, That makes you more determined and helps you get through a lot of the stuff that the professional game throws at you. Ye. Absolutely, it's It definitely makes it tougher, but I think it kind of makes

you tougher as a person too. You know, there's definitely times and I've had some horrendous times on two when you're missing cuts on a whole run. You've gone away for a four week swing and you miss the first three cuts. You know, what kind of what am I doing out here? But I think a few things have made it easier too, you know, like as scheduling, you can't wait for the schedule to come out to try and to put blocks of tournaments together so you can do a little three or four week run to make

it I guess economically viable. It's going to do it because we are it is our job. You just can't go back and forward because it costs so much to travel. But I think the Middle Eastern airlines have made it easier for us to travel to you're going to. We can one hop into Europe with good connections now with Emirates and Katar through to Buy and Dohar now, So that's made it easier. Before we had to go through Singapore and do layovers and all that. So all that

stuff made it easier for us. But as we all know at the moment traveling long haules is very expensive. So no, it's um, absolutely it's tricky, but that's that's just where we live, and we still I choose to live in Australia and I have my family around me, and home's home, so I love practicing at home and I just try to make the most of the schedule. I choose. You're in your early forties, but you are one of these players as an international golfer that I

have globe trotted all over the world. You've played the Asian Tour, You've played the Deep World Tour, which was the old European Tour. You've played PGA Tour Australasia, You've played the Challenge Tour, You've played the Nationwide which just now the was what is it now? Fairy was the way it was the Nationwide and it was the way it was corn Ferry. Now, you made last year the choice to play on Live as a as kind of a globe trotter and as someone that has traveled all

over the world. Talk to the listeners worried about how how many times have you gone to European Q school. I think I've got my own locker at European qu Scool. But I think it's been i'd say four to six times, and I always wouldn't say I had a knack. I just always kind of got through q SCO. I think I only ever missed one. I had a pretty good attitude when I went there. I'm like, hang on, everyone's back here for a reason. The good players are back here for a reason, and you just knuckle down for

the week, put a good caddy on the back. You don't have to win. You just got to find a way to nut it out and get your card back because that status is everything. But yeah, like you said, I've played everywhere, but it's kind of not always been because of choice. You know. You just want to take the best opportunity you can to try to make the most of your career. You know, I've never been a great play I've just tried to make the most of my opportunities. And some years I've had great status, other

years I've had average status. And you've got to go a bit wider and go to a certain tools you don't particularly want to play on, but that's all I've got. So you've got to try and piece together the best twenty two to twenty eight week schedule, and yes it is. Glides were based around prize money because that's what pays the bills, and some of those tours barely do that

for you. So there's been times in my career. I think around in twenty eleven twelve and I was in a pretty low place and my game wasn't great and I had to take a few steps back. But it kind of makes you tougher, it makes it more enjoyable when you start kind of getting going again. So yeah, I've played everywhere pretty much, but live has been great. What is the secret as someone that has gone to Q school numerous times and gotten through and gotten your card,

what is the secret for that? Because obviously I coach a lot of people that are trying to get status. They're going to PGA Tour, Canada Qualifying School, they're going to Latin America Qualifying School, they're going to DP World,

they're going to Asian Tour. There are guys that seem to be able to do that when they need to, and then as you know where you've grew up with them, you still there are great players that absolutely they struggle at that hurdle to get through Qualifying school regardless of what the tour is. What are the secrets as someone who's done it a bunch to kind of get through it? Well, I guess there's no real secret, but it's all in preparation. Sports all about process now, and like when people ask me,

I'm like, give yourself as many opportunities. You can go to Q school. If you go to Asian Q school Europe and say PGA two school, there's three I can think of straight away, the three main ones, I guess. And if you can go to those three over three years, that's nine cracks out. If you can do everything right, but a good caddy on your bad prepare probably know someone that's doing the wins for you, probably someone that's

been there and done it before. If you can do that nine times, you're going to get through one of those nine times. And you know what, if you can't get through nine times, probably golf is probably not the thing for you if you can't perform under the gun, because sometimes you're just out of form, you know, and always we always want to be informed, but you can't put your finger on that and say I want to be I want to peak for that week. It's it's

not like that. You just got to grind it out and try and get through and yeah, because there's a long whites around to the next year for another Q school. So the holy grail has always been the PGA tour. I mean that's what everybody grew up wanting to play. Live came around last year. You had an opportunity. Listen the media and the fans, they know that there are a lot of people that went to Live and got the bag. They made tens of millions, hundreds of millions

of dollars. You were not that guy. Absolutely, you were a player that it traveled and played on tours all over the world. You're in your early forties, you're married, you have children. The cliche that and the knock against Live is that everybody went for the money. You didn't go for the money because you didn't get the bag. Absolutely, the decision to go in your early forties, the opportunity

to do it. Talk us through what that thought process was like, did you agonize over the decision, were you worried about decision? And ultimately why did you make the choice to do it? Well, through my whole career, like I touched on before, I've just tried to put the best schedule of events I can possibly get together over a twenty two twenty six week schedule each year, you know,

and if Live fits in, that it fits. And I've played Asia, Europe, Australasia, everything every year and people like Scott hand and good made of mind, he's exactly the same. We've just pieced together the best twenty four twenty five events by that you had status in absolutely absolutely and when Live come along, I did exactly the same thing. There's no there's no golden handshakes, says nothing. I was just happy to be in the right position on the order of merit on the Asian two at the time.

When Live come around, and if Tom Kim decided to play, I wasn't getting a hit. He decided to go the PGA tour route. I was in so happy days for me. I went to London and I didn't look back, and there's been an amazing opportunity and yeah, I'm still here because I do think that, Listen, I do think that there is a part of the media that is very much PGA tour centric. PGA tour part I mean, I love, I mean, I think at this point that is somewhat obvious, and the narrative is it was all about money. It

was all about money. It was all for you. There was no upfront money, There was no millions of dollars in the bank to go play live, and here's an opportunity. So now that you don't have to worry about money, you just saw, Okay, this is the schedule they're going to play. These are the events that they put on, and at this stage of my career it was attractive. And then the majority of last year you were on

Cam Smith's live team. I mean that experience. I don't think people that are the people that aren't a part of the live ecosystem like we are, and people that aren't at every tournament like that, I really don't think they understand how important, but how much the team concept is really taken off. What was it like last year having the opportunity on playing You've got the reigning Open champion, the reigning Players Champion, arguably one of the top three

players in the world. What was it like being around Cam last year in that experience to be on his team. I actually spoke about this this exact thing yesterday. You know, I had the golden seat last year. You know, I obviously started off as a captain for that Punch team.

Cam come in probably a third of the way through the season, and we have a little warm up box where there's four guys warm up in your little box there on the range, and we always gave I always gave Cam the front, the front spot, the first slot, and I was always right behind him, so I had the box seat to see him warm up. When a guy's having a year like Cam one, or Cam did

last year, think he won five times globally. You know, there's only a handful of players in the last twenty five years that I've had seasons that even come close to that. One guy's had him a few times. But yeah, to just to see that, and I say this today, you know, just to see the stripes, see the rhythm, to see the dedication, the focus he has warming up all that thing, and I've got the perfect spot to see.

I see all these flights and you almost pick up on their rhythm, you pick up on their feeling, you ride the way with them, and um, that's invaluable. Especially Cam being a similar sized player to me, you know, you can kind of some of that kind of goes into and he's from the places. Yeah. Absolutely, we had a great time, you know, so you know, we have a lot of the same interests. He's a great guy's a down to earth guy, and all the oddsies genuinely are so. So we had a we had a real

good camaraderie amongst the team there. You know, we went we went really close in Miami. Could have been one better, but now we had. We had a good time out there and Cam, like I said, when any players in that kind of space in their career, it's just infectious to be around him. And I'm still trying to pull bits out of his game and try to adapt him

to mind. Yeah. Pat Perez said the same thing when he had the opportunity to come to Live he said, listen for me to have the opportunity to be on Dustin Johnson's team, to play on my practice rounds with DJ, to warm up and watch the way he practices, to be able to pick their brain. What are some of the things that you've learned from watching Cam for the last year and being around him that you've said, Okay,

I can take that and apply it to my game. Okay, well, I think come, come warm up time he's eyes on. You know, there's no more stuffing around because we have a lot of fun in the locker room and fun at dinners than that. But you give that two hour window when it kind of comes to go time and he is eyes on, you're not getting inside there, and you don't want to get inside because you don't upset

the process. But Cam's got a great team around Him's got a great psychologist, he's got a great coach, he's got a good trainer. I hope I'm not missing anyone out there, but yeah, there's Alwase guys, caddy Yeah, great caddies. I mean Pinner does the hard yards out there. So there's four guys immediately before his management team, you know, which are fully invested in the guy. And I think what Cam does really well, he just lets everyone do

their thing. He doesn't micro manage that. He's just he's just a man in the middle and they do their thing and he just pushes the engine along and he's the last guy doing the last bit. You know, he's not over complicating things. But it's a world oil machine, the Cam Smith machine at the moment, and then everyone's everyone's playing their little part in that, and that's what makes a player go. What everyone sees on TV is just the end product. This guy holding a ten footing

and over. He's good at every part of the game. He's an unbelievable I'm player pretty a lot better than whatever anyone ever gives him credit for. And short games exceptional, puddings exceptional. But I think inside the heads he's a pretty bulletproof to it, and he's a winner. You mentioned the putting, I mean the way he putted last year. Has he always been like that? I mean you've been around him a lot, You've played a lot of golf him.

Has he always had this and neat ability on the greens, because in my opinion, he's very much I mean I throw him up against any of the great potters. I mean Jordan obviously, Spith gets all the credit on the page, but I mean you watch Cam. I mean he gets a twenty five Bertie. I mean you expected him to make it. Yeah, they're just burning edges and they're all good puts. The ones that don't go in. I had a lot of average parts that go pin higher foot they don't even have a chance of going in. But

he's just rolling edges. I think the thing with Cam that I really like is is his rhythm all the way through his game, you know, and he's putting his rhythms beautiful. He's pitching his rhythm and he carries a lot of length and everything, even his goalswing. You very rarely see Cameron Smith out of balance, you know, I think, And that's a trait that some of the best players in the world have, you know, they're just in balance

all the time. And I guess it's you can probably tell me more than I can tell you, but it's kind of a sign of nice kind of sequence and nice, nice mechanics and that, and Cam always looks like that. He's never leaning and whatever else. He has a couple of odd one handed finishes, but overall it's really nicely balanced in rhythm, and I think that goes all through his game. And sometimes we're always so stuck in looking at positions or what equipment and all this kind of stuff,

but there's a beautiful sequence in there too. And he's also one of the things I love about him from specifically from a putting standpoint, is he is not a technical person when it comes to his putting, and I think so many people listening can learn from. There are people that are a very mechanical with their putting, and that works for them, I think Cam, I'm sure you would agree. It's the type of player that if you tried to fill his head with the mechanics of putting,

it probably wouldn't work. His approach, like you said, he's the thing that I'm morvel about is his speed on the golf course. The way his ball rolls is it's almost like it's a forgotten art, the way the ball is rolling and how well he rules the ball. Yeah, I totally agree. It's so easy to get sucked into the other side and the mechanics and the squareness of things, and you forget about that flow and getting the actual

thing rolling rather than just getting it starting online. Yeah, rolls so important because that transfers into speed and everything else. And like we said, Cam's got that, and all the best players wins up putting well. Scottie Scheffler a great putter. Tigert probably one of the purest role of the ball. Greg Norman I never got the pretty credit for his putting that he probably deserved. Probably one of the best

putters around all the way through that era. And they all had beautiful role and I'm trying to put some of that into my game. You know, I've always been a really good putter from short range just because I have beautiful alignment and a lot starting the ball in aligne was never my problem, but I always struggled with role,

especially late in a tournament. So I've tried to lengthen my stroke to try to get kind of less kind of to try to get the speed come on more smoothly in my stroke, I guess, and all this is stuff from trying to grab from from cam and then you start to see another player. Brad Faxson was one beautifully like that beautiful stroke and rhythm. So um, yeah, you're coming off a win on the International Series on the Asian Tour. It'd been a couple of years since

you won. Obviously, professional golf, professional sports, there is no substitute for winning. Talk us through. When you do get wins, what do you look back on and do you look back and say, Okay, what do they do well winning in Thailand a couple of weeks ago, and what are some of the things that I can do? Because I always I think it's really interesting when guys win it's a cliche in my head, but you don't have to

play that good to win, do you. You don't have to shoot sixty Yeah, if you go out and shoot sixty four, sixty four, sixty four, you're probably going to have the league going into Sunday. That doesn't always happen. What are some of the things that you did well in Thailand a couple of weeks ago to get another win on the Asian Tour that you've felt like, Okay, that's something that I can maybe try and take Was it technical? Was it mental? Was its strategy? What was it? Well?

You know what golf's like, and you know what it's like working with players you are You're always pushing, you always talking about your game. Hey you can massage your how you can get it better? You know? But I probably have to go back a little bit earlier in the year. I started working with Grant Field, Cams coach, and I've been working on my golf swing. And as we always do, as always constant evolution our golf swings, You're never just always trying to make it how I

used to be. You're always trying to get it better. But I knew I was hitting it as good as I have in the last probably four or five years. And the week before news in and Open, I hit a fantastic three part of the last and missed the cup by a shot. And I don't I don't think I've been that angry walking off a golf course for a long time, because I knew I was playing good enough. I hit one out of bounds, had five or three puts in two rounds, and I was seven shots out

of the lead. But I'm going home, and I was so pissed off of myself, and so I just really wanted to knuckle down and kind of obviously get on top of the pudding. That next week in Thailand, and straight after I got up there and I tried to get out of my technique a little bit more, try to get the ball rollings that like we just spoke about and go back to a couple of old fields. But it was still along with the lines of what we're talking about, and I just started to get the

ball rolling. But I knew I was hitting the ball strong. So through two rounds, I think I was around I've known the mid teens, but I'd made a lot of mistakes. I thought if I cleaned that up, I'm going to be pretty close, and I did. I hold some good puts in the back nine on Sunday and got myself in a playoff and fortunately fortunately made that part in the playoff. So yeah, it's just always a little bit.

You never that far away. And yeah, so you just got to keep on, keep keep pushing, and you never know when that winspin's going to come. Obviously, I work with a lot of players that are trying to play competitively. You know a lot of players that are trying to play competitively that balance between the technical part and the execution and the strategy. It's my opinion way that a lot of people that aren't where they want to be playing competitively are so hyper hyper focused on the technique

side of things, the mechanical side of things. And I always try to impress on players Listen, Scottie Scheffler, Roy McRoy and John Ram and camp Smith, they're all trying to make their golf swings better. That quest never ends. You're always trying to improve as as as a technician, But the technical side apart, how important is the thought process, the strategy and the execution part of actually playing golf.

Versus practicing golf, because I think everybody that's not at the level they want to be at thinks, Okay, if I just practice enough, I can. I can practice my way to the PGA Tour, to the European Tour, to the Asian Tour too, I can. I can practice my way there. But to me, a lot of the forgotten art is playing golf. Absolutely, yeah, there is a balance there, and we're always caught in between, I guess, you know,

and I'm guilty of. You're always trying to find the perfect golf swing, but it's not it's not a thing that you can grab, you know. It's a good golf swing is like a journey, not a place you know you'll never you'll you'll never absolutely get it. So um, yeah, I'm guilty of chasing that too. But yeah, your golf slings are only as good as the shots that hits.

You've got to get it around there and the fields that you get through your body when you're trying to make it cut on a Friday night sometimes horrendous, you know, and you're trying to battle to get it in the house. And that's the same as trying to win a golf Tom that's never exactly where you want it, and you're always fighting it or chasing it or hanging onto it or whatever. And some weeks you're just swinging it great

and got heaps of room in your golf swing. So it's all you can do is keep your process going and keep trying to make things a little bit better. But it's you're like, you're never going to get a perfect You're never gonna get this holy grail of swinging like Tiger in two thousand and just every golf shot comes out how you want and even that year, you know, you go back and look at some of the places that he hit it probably nowhere near where he wants

to hit it. So it's been interesting for me here at a live event, you know, and unfortunately being first reserve and not getting a hit, and you're sitting there and watch it on TV and you watch where some of these guys hit it, and you're like, these guys, I idolize all of them. They're all great players, but they do hit it in places where you don't you

don't expect to hit them. So yeah, exactly right. So it kind of it's a bit of a level of kind of looking at some of that stuff, and you think, hang on, all you're gonna do is keep on hitting a bunch of square shots in the general area and try to go and play golf, you know. And I think as a junior I did a pretty good job of that. I didn't think about my golf swing too much.

I just really loved competing. I love competing now, and that's one of the big things that keeps me going out here because I love the fight playing golf tournaments. And I think once I am finished playing tournament golf, I think it's gonna be hard to play golf to me, honest, because I just love the fight of competing. You've won the Hong Kong Open in seventeen and twenty twenty, You've

won multiple times now. If you could go back, wait and tell yourself as a freshman getting off an airplane at the University of Houston and going and playing and say, Okay, it's a forty two year old that's won all over the world. I've played all over the world. I'm going to give my nineteen twenty year old self some advice. What you think is important is this, but it's actually this. What would that be? I'm probably going to contradict myself there.

I probably wanted a better coach back then. But anyway, I think process sports becomes so process driven, so I can get a few facets of your game, you know, exactly like I touched one with Camera's got a few good people in key areas. You can get them and keep pushing along the process and not deviate from that. That's what's going to make you good. Sports spelt that out to us now. It's been pretty obviously in the

last few years. You know, it's not like just keep kind of way around then you're gonna have a lucky week. You know. We have more control of a lot more things now, but it's still an art. It's still golf. You know. You've got to have sidelines, you have win you have different elements. You know, your body feels different every day. There's so many variables every day. But we

asked trying to not control. But we're still trying to organize everything every day to try to make your good golf well, I no, not so far away from your bad golf, you know. So I think my good stuff is good, but I'm gonna make my bad stuff better, So get that balance out. I guess this crazy debate

between the PGA Tour and Live. As someone who has played on all of these, what do you think or the positives for Live for players excluding the money conversation right now, because everybody just wants to focus on the money conversation. But again, you played Live for an entire year. Last year, you'd no upfront money. So whatever you made, you made. What do you think can be the positive moving forward? And do you see that there is a way that everybody could maybe just coexist and this whole

kind of debate become a little less aggressive and bottled volatile. Yeah, I guess from a player straight away. I think the camaraderie in the locker room, in the players lounge, between the families, caddies, coaches, staff, everyone's a lot better, a lot more positive. And so that's the first thing. I think. The sport's got to be more global, The tool has got to be more global, and that's exactly what Lives set out to. Do you know, I'm a massive Formula one fan. I see that model as as a model

that we need to really chase out here. And they are, you know, like Johannesburgs have a tournament soul should have a tournament sitting the Australia's being starved for world class goal for years, and like you're saying, we've pumped out so many good players and were sports mad country, and Adelaide's going to prove how much we've been starred because I just jumping out of their skin to see this golf event down there, to see people like Nicholson and

all these guys going down there. It's going to be so cool to having in my home city seeing all this. I'm buzzing about that. But I think I'm just excited to be a truly global sport because I just don't think it's fair that the PGA Tour should sit so much just in America. You know. Yeah, PGO two has been the top of the tree for so many years and have a lot of players have gravitated there for one or another reason, not just money, but yeah, money

has been a major driver of it. And yeah, so yeah, can we co exist, Yeah maybe in different parts of the season. Cricket, I'm Australia. I follow cricket. You know, this has happened in cricket and there's four different final forms of the game now and they all kind of sit together as test cricket. I love major championships, I love four rounds. I love the history of golf. At the same time, you know, when you got fans loving a shotgun, starts great, all that stuff. You know, there's

so many positives to be had from Live. You know, it's just different energy around around the tournament. So yeah, I think they can co exist. But yeah, I just don't like the fighting going on between it. You know, I've got mates on the other side of the fence who are still my best mates, and that's just the way it is, and we're only doing the best for ourselves and that's all we can do. Yeah, I mean, listen, there are guys that got the back, right, you know,

the big stars on Live. They made your real money. They were paid like other athletes are paid in other sports. But I mean this shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody. But in twenty twenty three, just as in any walk of life, yes, trophies, and I think it's really interesting that we hear this thing from the PJ Tour trophy and legacies, and we hear guys like Rory and Tiger

and Jordan and JT. You know that that are flying around on private jets, you know, Rory and Tiger flying around on their own private jets with their initials on the back of it, saying it's about trophies and money. They're not giving those away if you don't have money.

And as a player that is trying to globetrot all over the world, it takes money to play golf, play professional golf, and it's like it's like it's just a dirty little secret with the fans that we want golf to be this like Weird Truman show Utopia, where everybody's just doing it for the greater good. It's not a business you're not trying to support. Because anybody that's come to live that says, listen, this was an opportunity for me to provide a better life for myself and my family.

All of a sudden, that's bad and in any walk of life, that would be what everybody's trying to do. Absolutely as well. Number one, it's a job. That's how I make my money. And I've got a family at home and I got to make hey while the sun shines. That's that's the simple factor, the whole thing. And if it gives me a better opportunity to do that. Well, that's where I'm at. If I can put it all together and play here, there and everywhere, with live being

a major component of that. Of that, that's exactly what I'll do. So I've done that my whole career, whether it's Asia, Europe, Australia. Like I mentioned before, you know, I'm just trying to put together the best twenty four odd events a year to maximize my own and make my bottom line as good as I possibly can. And that's a job in that and that's what we're doing

so and happens to be. That's a sport that I love growing up, and I've worked hard enough to stay out here and been fortunate enough to stayt here for as long as I can. So, Yeah, it's great b I here. Greg Norman was a hero online and then to be around him is fantastic and I think every Australian would echo that. And no, it has been great been around the big players too. Yeah. And the other thing for everyone listening, it's easy in the US if you're from the US and you went to you like yourself.

But if you were born in the US, you played the US college golf system you know the PGA Tour. If you have access to play the PGA Tour, you're obviously going to play there because that's where the best players play. But that's where the most money is made. So everyone that's not from the US, if you grow up in Europe, if you grew up in South Africa, if you grew up in Australia, Asia, you're trying to get to the PGA Tour obviously because yes, that's where

all the best players in the world. But you know that if you could somehow get on the PGA Tour and keep your card win turnips and are living, you know you're gonna make a ton of money because that's where all the money is being made. That's why every great Australian player of all time once the modern modern Aussie's we're all trying to go. Wayne Grady played in the US, Steve Elkenton played in this a debut, everybody played in yours because that's where you could make a living.

And there is no more tour in Australia. If you think about, there used to be an Aussie Swing, There used to be the Australasian Tour. There used to be all of that's gone. So if you're a professional golfer and you're from Australian you want to make a living and make the most money you can possibly make, you have to go and historically you had to go play the PGA Tour. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's because that was the holy grail. You know, if you played the tour,

you had access to get into majors. If you get into the majors, you know you're gonna get into the whath wgc's, top fifty in the world. All of that, yes, was for the sports part of it, but you knew if you're top fifty, you're eating it in in the four wgc's that's X amount of money because there's no cutting those if you get somehow get to the fed X. All of these things. The people listening don't realize. You think every goal for regardless of where they're playing, thinks

about the money side of things. Yeah. I have to, absolutely, and that's because it's a job, you know, and there's so many more things that come into you know, where your family from, where your kids go to school, all these kind of things. You know, some of the guys from Australia have American wives and families and they are stuck. We're not stuck here, but they choose to live here now. And and myself, I have an Australian wife and family and that and that's where home is. You know. There's

so many different things not pulling in different directions. Everyone has their own set of circumstances and that influences your decision. And that's just the way it is. That's life. You know. I didn't always go on and be line saying I want to plan on the European too. You know. I bought around the world tickets in some nationwide qualifiers back in two thousand and one, and I kept on going to European Q school A one stage one and all of a sudden I find myself at second stage and finals.

I got my card over there. It wasn't planned, it was just that was an opportunity I gave myself and that's where I got my first starts, so to speak, on a major tour. So Gulf's hard, it's hard to get going. But you also realized that if you could get on the European tour and follow the model of Justin Rose, Scott Scott, Trevor Immelman Ian Poulter come off the European Tour and use that as a springboard to

get to America. You know that, Okay, if I can just get into some tournaments from Europe, from Australia, if I could get in through my world ranking and get into some tournaments, maybe I could do what a guy like Tom Kim. I think that's one of the negative

things that's come out of this whole thing. I had Chowman that, who's the commissioner of the Asian Tour, we won't see another kid like Tom Kim come out of Asia like that, who came off the Asian Tour and then got into some European Tour events and as a result of playing well in those, then through his world ranking got some starts in the US and then played great, got full status one and now is you know, a

rising superstore in America. But that's not going to happen again, given the way all of the tours and the way the PGA Tour is trying to change things to protect what they're doing. Yeah. Absolutely, there's like this big great dividing golf. At the moment you're on one side of the fence or the other side of the fence and hopefully we can work together. But at the moment, it's not like that, so you just got to kind of stay in your lane and do your thing. But yeah,

that's just the way it is at the minute. And it's someone that played the European Tour for a number of times. The European Tour landscape is changing dramatically now with the top ten players every year automatically going to the PGA Tour. I wonder and do you wonder what the landscape in Europe As a tour that you played on and supported for a number of years, do you wonder what that landscape looks like in three years? Yeah, well, I guess we'll have to wait and see how it

all plays out. But it doesn't look great at the moment. And it's I've got a lot of mates over there, so I still speak to a lot of them, and I've played most of my golf over there. But yeah, I think going to the start of my career and I started off in Europe and I started, well, you know, you always have eyes on going to the PGA two

because that was the next best option. And exactly like you said, you try to get top fifty or try to sneak your way into w gcs or majors and back door your way onto a what do you call it, a non members points list onto the PGA Tour, and then you've got status, and the way you go you get a special exemption to get on the limited invite. And the simple fact is I just wouldn't wasn't good enough and didn't get the results. So I forged my career in Europe, and some years I fought for my position,

some years I lost my car. Some years I had great years. And that's just where I sat in the world of golf and European golf, but no Europe. It's it's it's an interesting time. You know. There's a lot of stuff up in the air, a lot of balls up in the air at the moment. And yeah, the schedules changed massively. COVID come at a particular time the tour was getting strong that it probably hit it quite hard. I guess I did a great job putting in a lot of events, but a lot of lower events. So

it's just it's just different. You know, it's not supported that well by the guys. I guess, let's call them the superstars from Europe that go to America because I can only play so many weeks because I've focused on world ranking points and majors and peeking at the right times, and there's so many different things that go into play as schedules, you know, and we all get you'll want to see everyone every week, but the live bottle, you've

got that it's like formula one. If you go to Baccu, you are going to see Lewis Hamilton and and like some guys kind of lesser down, like a Magnusin or whatever. No disrespect to Magnusin, but you know you are going to see those same twenty twenty two guys every week, and live you're seeing those forty eight, whether it's Adelaide,

Singapore Jetter or Vouter Armor. And that's a really cool model and I think that's that's how our partners and TV can really benefit from that, and the fans can really benefit because you are going to see the guys week in, week out, and we all know, you know, it's a battle for these tours like Europe and and PGA Tour to try to get their best guys to tee it up every week. It's a big juggling game, whether appearance money or or whatever you want to call it. However,

these guys are getting compensated. You don't know which guys are playing which weeks unless it's pre arranged. And Europe's it's gonna find that tough. I just can't see how they're gonna get great fields, but I don't know what's around the corner. Hopefully it picks up over there for all those guys, because I got a lot of mates that really I really care about and I want them to have good careers and earn a good living and

support their families. Well, another great win for you. Keep it going and in true Wade ormsby globetrotting, you know, travel your entaire Land last week, Tucson this week, and then straight tomorrow night to Hong Kong and the magical Mystery Tour continues. Wait, keep playing, good man man, thanks for talking to us, Thanks having us on clothes. Mate. So that was Wade ormsby and listen, not a household name, but a really really good player and someone that has

played and won all over the world. And I always think it's interesting to get a perspective from you know, just kind of a guy that's just like everybody else, just trying to play as good as he can, win as many tournaments as he can, and not a superstar by any stretch of the imagination. But the game of golf has a lot of players that are really, really good. And he's in his early forties, and keep an eye out for him. He's going to keep trying to win

golf tournaments all over the world. So the match play last week, Sam Burns beats Cameron Young in the final. I know everybody, including Jay Monahan and all the boys in Pontovidro were I mean, they were so desperate to get Scottie Scheffler and Rory McElroy in the final. They didn't make it. And I think that's one of the great things about match player. I know there should I

think there should be more matchplay tournaments. My grandfather made it to the semifinals when I think he made it to the semifinals twice when the mat when the PGA was match play back and I think in the forties. Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about del kind of going away the PGA Tour, doing away with that tournament, but um, I think if you saw, if you watched last week, and you saw the caliber of golf, you

saw the caliber of the matches. I definitely think the PJ Tour needs one, if not more match play tournaments because they're fun, they're exciting, they always bring good drama, and I think everybody that watched last week saw some unbelievable matches and it's it's a little bit like when the Ryder Cup happens. The great thing about match play is the momentum shifts to where a player can be cruising missus maybe you know, an easy pud for par and then all of a sudden, the momentum shifts, and

I think we saw that last week. I think we saw these ebbs and flows of match play, which I think makes matchplay great and makes it what it is. So hopefully they'll find another place to play another format for the match play, because I love it and I think it's great viewing entertainment. So the Masters next week, and we did it last year. We're gonna bring my dad butch Arman in and do a little Masters pre kind of get his views on, you know, what to

look for. He recently played at Augusta, so he's played with the changes that have been made and kind of get his take and we're going to be putting up questions on my social but if you've got questions for Butch, you can DM them to me. But I'll put something up later in the week. But always good to get

his views on it. He's going to be at Augusta this year, so two years in a row after a little bit of a hiatus, so I'm looking forward to seeing him, but always good to get his takes on everything that happens around the Masters and get him to talk about the golf course as well. So I want to thank everybody for listening. If you haven't gone back and listen to the past episodes, get back there and listen to them, because we've got a lot of great ones.

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