It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to you every Wednesday. This week, Sack Johnson, US Wrighter Cup captain makes his captain's picks Sam Burns, Ricky Fowler, Brooks Koepka, Colin Morrikawa, Jordan Spieth, and Justin Thomas. Can't say I'm really surprised by any of those picks. Am I surprised that Brooks Kepka is on the team. Absolutely not. I think won the PGA Championship, finished second. The Masters played very limited in PGA Tour events because he's at liv
what I've been surprised if they left him off. No, I definitely could have seen that. But he played a practice round. I talked about this on the pod after the Open Championship. Brooks played a practice round with Zack Johnson at the Open champion not by design, it was just Zach joined up. Brooks was playing nine holes with Cam Smith and Adam Scott and Zach showed up. Uh. They partnered against the two of them in a match.
But Zach was pretty open about him wanting to take the best players too to Italy for the US Ryder Cup team. And I think it's important to remember that US Writer Cup team is run by the PGA of America, not by the PGA Tour. The European Writer Cup team is run by the European Tour, so very very different agendas, very different politics there. So I think in in having somebody like Brooks who's won three PGA championships, that's the PGA of America's tournament. He's the winner this year. Now
do I think that? I think the players Brooks's boys with pretty much everybody on that team, so I don't think there's any issues there. I mean, obviously there's the live issue. I think there is a segment of people involved with the PGA Tour and people involved with golf in general that wished Brooks didn't win a major and they didn't have to pick him because he's a live guide. But he got picked, So I think that argument's over. I don't think there's any issues with the guys that
are on the team with Brooks. So I wasn't surprised that he was on the team. I wouldn't have been surprised that they left him off the team. I told everybody that was listening there was absolutely no way Justin Thomas wasn't going to be on this team. He's been on two Ryder Cups before twenty eighteen, twenty twenty one, six two and one, two and two in the foursomes, two zero to one in the four ball, and then undefeated in the singles. But Justin Thomas is part of
the fabric of American golf in twenty twenty three. He's part of the team concept as well. He's part of all, Yeah, you're not gonna have a Writer Cup without Justin Thomas. When you've got Justin Thomas playing in President's Cups with Tiger Woods, He's part of a group of people. Listen, every single Writer Cup there is an element of popularity to it. There are cool kids and there are not cool kids. And listen, the Europeans have been doing this
for years. The Euros have with a tremendous amount of success, picked players based off of their popularity in Europe, their popularity on the European Tour, and their popularity within the European Writer Cup side. So this is not news, This is not groundbreaking, This is not anything that should be surprising to anybody. You know, there's been a lot of people saying there's a good old boy network. There has been both on the American team and the European team
for years. It's not news. So Justin Thomas's boys with Jordan Speith and he's boys with Ricky Fowler. That goes a lot these in these team competitions, you want to be around people that you're comfortable with. You want to be around people that you know you want to be playing in, you know, four balls and foursomes with players you've played with before, that you're comfortable with, that you have history. So I fully euspect Justin Thomas, regardless of
how he's played this year. I fully expect Justin Thomas to be a big, big part of this. I think they're going to play him a lot. I expect him to play on the first day. I expect him to play in the afternoon, even if he were to be a part of a team that got beat in the morning. I just think that that if you look at the captain and Zach Johnson, if you look at the vice captains, Justin Thomas is one of their boat boys, and rightly so. He's a two time major champion. He's been on winning
Ryder Cups, President's Cup. He's a hell of a player. He's not playing the way he wants to play right now. I think he admits that. I think everybody knows that. But I just there was no way he wasn't going to be on that team. It's just his dad's a PGA pro. He's been a part of every part of golf in America. He was part of the a JGA, he was Walker Cup, he was a national champion at Bama. He is part of the fabric of golf professional golf in twenty twenty three. So I just didn't see him
not being on the team. And I think it's it's it's going to be an interesting pick. Can the team competition give JT the the comfort and the confidence that will help him play his best because he, like I said, he's a two time major winner. He won the PGA last year. Now JT is getting picked off of winning a major at Southern Hills, He's getting picked off of past performances. There is an argument that you could make for Dustin Johnson for the exact same thing, two time
major champion, whether you like it or not. Where DJ played last year, he played on live from June onwards and one once had a chance to win a lot of tournaments and played some of the best golf I've seen him play so and he also went five to oh in the last Ryder Cup at Whistling Straights for the US team. So you could make an argument that you were picking Dustin Johnson off of the same criteria
that you're picking Justin Thomas. But there was only going to be one guy from Live that they were going to pick. They weren't going to pick Taylor Gooch, they weren't going to pick Bryce and d Chambeau. The only person they were going to pick from Live was someone that kind of forced their hand to pick him. And I think brooks Kepka is kind of seen as you know, a major champion is a five time major champion, So you know what you're getting with Brooks. You know that
you're going to get a very tough competitor. You're going to get someone that likes competition. You're going to get someone that isn't afraid when the pressure gets the most. Do not be surprised if you see a brooks Kepka and Wyndom Clerk pairing in any format. I think you could. Wyndom Clark's a rookie, and I think Brooks is a veteran. But they are very similar type players, right, They are
very similar type people. They both play with tremendous amount of confidence, a tremendous amount of self belief, a tremendous amount of arrogance, which I'm here for. Every great player has a little bit of that, but I think wyndom And and Brooks wear that a little bit more outwardly. Wyndom Clerk is a major champion this year. Brooks Kepka is a major champion this year. Brian Harmon is a major champion this year. So three of the four major champions in twenty twenty three are going to be on
the US team. John Rahm won the Masters, He's going to play on the European team. But I could see a pairing of Brooks Kepka Wyndom Clerk, Like I said, similar type personalities, similar type personas, tremendous self belief, very very similar games. They both hit the golf ball miles. They play on confidence, and if you look at the way Wyndham Clerk played at the US Open, if you were Zach Johnson, you are hoping you get that Wyndom Clerk. I think the Ryder Cup has always been an anomaly.
It's been an anomaly really in the last thirty five years. I mean, the last time the US won outside the United States on foreign soil was thirty years ago at the Belfry nineteen ninety three. I was there. My dad was working with the vice with Davis Love as a vice captain this year, and it's difficult to do. On that Sunday, it definitely looked like the Europeans were going to win. They were getting points from all their superstars.
Nick Faldo in nineteen ninety three was at the height of the game, made a hole in one on Sunday, one of the loudest roars I've ever heard at a golf tournament, jacking hegman, rookie. They got points from him. Peter Baker, rookie, they got points fromim. Peter Baker putted so good in nineteen ninety three that Jim Lampley, the old sportscaster, did a lot of boxing, but he was doing golf back in the day for NBC, And in nineteen ninety three, I think it was on Sunday, Peter
Baker again making every putty looks at. Didn't go on to have the career that I think a lot of people thought the Ryder Cup was going to springboard into but Jim Lampley live on air said he was going to go out a limb and said that Peter Baker was such a good putter and had putted good for so good for three days the Ryder Cup at the Belfrey in nineteen ninety three. He said he will not only win one Masters championship, he will win multiple Masters championships.
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their award winning combines. So the Euros have always tended to get points from maybe some players in that are a little bit lesser known, and maybe the US hasn't been able to do that, but I do think that the Euros have always been able to get points from all of their superstars, and in the last thirty years they've definitely been enne able to do that. Overseas. They
did that in Paris. They got a bunch of points from a bunch of their superstars, and the US didn't get historically points from their superstars Tiger Woods, Phil Ncholson and some of the other superstars. So I think it's always been for me. I've been going to Ryder Cups really since for the last thirty years, and I think the team chemistry the Euros have tended to gel over the last thirty years. I think they've tended to gel
better now. I do think. I was at Whistling Straits there was a lot of team camaraderie on the US team for that and to me, that reminded me a little bit more of the camaraderie that they had for all those teams where the US was getting beat by the Euros. And like I said earlier, there is a history of picking players basically just for this event, and the Euros have road that. So I'm not surprised by these picks. Sam Burns rookie, he wins the match play
this year. I think Sam Burns the hell of a player, and I think his relationship is junior golf relationship with Scottie Scheffler. I think you're going to see those two pair together. I think you could see those two pair together a lot. There's a comfort there, there's a history there and listen Scotti Scheffler is in my opinion, he's playing some of the best golf I've seen anyone play in the last year to two years. His ball striking
has been second to none. He has not putted the way that he wants to put the way that the rest of his game I think is putting. Given his balls striking, for him to only win the amount of times that he's won this year, you would have thought he could have had a Tiger Woods VJ. Singh Tig year where he's winning seven, eight, nine times. That's how good his ball striking it. He hasn't putted the way that he wants to putt, and I think having a partner in someone like Sam Burns will be a massive,
massive strength. So not surprised to see Sam Burns on the team. Ricky Fowler UH ten twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen hasn't had the winning record three seven and five, one three and two in the foursomes, one two and two in the four ball, one two one in the singles, so not a dominant performance. But I think the way Ricky's played this year, the comeback that he's made, the way he gets along. There isn't anybody on any tour
anywhere in the world that doesn't like Ricky Fowler. The Euros like him, the Americans all like him. All the captains for the US team and the vice captains like him. All the captains for the Euros and the vice captains all like Ricky. Is one of the most popular players in the game. He's a fan favorite. He's popular. He's
playing good again. I think if you'd have told people two years ago that Ricky was going to make this team, given the play that he had and how he had been playing, I think everybody would have not believed you. But big turnaround. I think the move back to my dad, butch Armon getting back in the winner circle, had a chance to win the US Open, and Ricky's one of the US boys. He's part of that club. And again, I don't have a problem with there being a club.
There is a club. Everybody knows it. It's not news, it's not a surprise. So if you don't make the Ryder Cup team, you're hoping for a pick. Colin Morikawa, two time Major champion, only played one Ryder Cup twenty twenty one at whistling straits three zero to one, so pretty good record, two and oh in the foursomes, one to oh in the four balls tied as singles match, so elite elite ball striker can be streaky with the putter.
So which Colin Morcow is going to show up? And then lastly for the for the picks, Jordan Speith four times twenty fourteen, sixteen, eighteen, twenty one, eight seven and three h three two two in the foursomes, five and two in the four ball, oh, three and one in singles, so no points in singles. But again he is one of in twenty twenty three, he's one of the boys on the US team where if he's playing halfway decent, I think if he's got a heartbeat, they're gonna pick it.
I think, as I said earlier, Justin Thomas Jordan Speed, great pairing, Jordan Speith, Ricky Fowler, great pairing, Justin Thomas Slick rick great pairing. So I think you're going to see a little bit of kind of the boys that are comfortable with each other. And I think that's something that is important. I think that's where there's been a shift in kind of the thinking of the US Tour after the Task Force at Glenn Eagles. Everybody knows Tom
Watson was the captain. Everybody knows Phil Mickelson's comments directly after listen there were some changes made it after that, rightly, wrongly, whatever side of that you're on. The players, I think wanted to feel like they had a little bit more. Say Ricky was one of the guys they put on the task force, if memory serves me, so. Not surprised that you're going to take guys that are major champions. Not surprised you're going to take guys that can get
I mean, Colin Morcow could play with anybody. He could play with a long hitter, he could play with someone that hits at the length he does. He could he could play in any of the formats if his ball strikings on. He's to me one of the best ball strikers in the game. But surprising that Jordan Spiece singles records. You know, three losses and only one you know one half. But you would think that that would change. And you think that if you get Jordan with players that he's
comfortable with, do I think he will play well? I think he likes the format Justin Thomas likes the format. A lot of guys like the Ryder Cup format. Now, just because you like it doesn't necessarily mean that you play well in it. But I do think that this is a very very strong American side. I do think that the American team is learning about what makes their players play their best. I noticed a big change at
Whistling Straits. It seemed to me to where there was a lot more It seemed to me like there was a lot more asking the players what they wanted to do, kind of what they wanted needed, how they wanted to practice and listen. The Euros have been doing that forever. The Euros have been asking their players what they want, what they don't want, and how they can get their best out of the euro players. So I think you are going to see a little bit of the same
kind of playbook that we saw. Zach Johnson was one of the vice captains. Davis Love was part of that team. I think it's learning, I think it's evolving. I think it's less about the captain trying to put their stamp and say listen, you know to me, that's in my opinion, that's what a lot of the US captains have done. They've come in, they tried to put their stamp on it. They've tried to say, listen, this is going to be my captaincy. I'm going to kind of tell everybody what
we're doing, what we're not doing. I noticed in at Whistling Straits that that wasn't the case that the captains. The vice captains were asked the players a lot more of what they wanted to do in practice, how they wanted to practice, how many holes they wanted to play in practice, and listen, if you think that that's wrong, If you don't like that, that's fine, that you're allowed
your opinion. But I do think that the Americans looked why they were getting beat and said, listen, we're going to try and make the weeks the easiest for the players and make it about them. There were a lot of people that think the US team is stacked and they are that they are going to walk through this. I am not one of them. I think that this is as always. I think the Ryder Cup and I was asked at the last Ryder Cup what I thought, and I thought it was going to be close. It wasn't.
But I've been around enough of these over the last thirty years to know that these are always much closer than you think. They don't get played on paper. And if you've got a European side that has Roy McElroy, John Rahm and Victor Hovlin on, it's it's legit. I think Terroll Hatton, Tommy Fleetwood, Matt Fitzpatrick, Sepstraca, they're all winning,
they're all great players. And you've got, arguably right now the hottest player in the game in Victor Hovlin, who is to me one of the top five players in the world. John Rahm, Rory McElroy. So I think you were going to see that kind of threesome be the kind of catalyst for a lot of them. Yeah, they're gonna have some rookies, right, They're gonna have some players that maybe aren't household names, Bob McIntyre, Yanni, Paul, Adrian
moronk you know, does Shane Lowry get a pick? Do they go back to the well and pick someone like Justin Rose as someone who's played on these before. So I do think Luke Donald has some decisions to make, certainly from a pairing standpoint, And I do think that you know, the Euros are up against it. It seems right now like the US is making there's a turn going and these things kind of come and ebbs and flows.
The US, you know, dominated the Ryder Cup for a very very long time and then the Euro's always on paper, given the strength and the power of the US team, didn't look like they were necessarily the favorites. But they've always had a bunch of major champions on their team, and you've got in if you're looking at major champions, you've got Rory McElroy, You've got John Rahm, You've got Matt Fitzpatrick. You've got guys like Shane Lowry who won a major before. You've got Justin Rose who's won a
major before. So I do think that trying to figure out who's going to match with who is Luke's trying to do the same thing that Zach Johnson's doing, right, He's trying to figure out, Okay, who the best choice that I can make, Who can I put with everybody. I've had Paul McGinley on the pod before. He's to me one of the best captains the Euros have had from the way that he did it. And you can go back and take a listen, the Euros have not
always gotten along better than everybody that everybody thinks. You know, there's always been this thing that everybody thinks the Euros get along, everybody in the team room likes each other, everybody's best friends, everybody's boys mate. That is not the case. What I do think Europe has been able to do over the last thirty years has come together as a group and come together as a team and use that
kind of underdog mentality. But when you've got John Rahm, when you've got Roy McRoy and you've got Victor Hoblin on a Ryder Cup team, I mean stacked, as a lot of people think the US team is. If you've got those three guys on your team, I don't know how you're thinking you're an underdog because you got three of the best players in the world and you've got
three players right now. I think the way that Victor Hoblin played in the FedEx, the way that his game is change, the way that his short game has changed, and I think the way that he's one of those guys that's basically in the hunt to win major championships all the time. We expect Victor to win majors. But if you've got that three Rory, John, Rahm and Vick and then you've got Matt Fitzpatrick who's won a major, you got Tyrrel Hatton who is a fierce, fierce, fierce competitor.
And they will get points from people that you don't think they'll get points from. That has been the hallmark of the European side. They will get points from players that you don't think And will we get as the US team will the US side, will Zach Johnson's team, will the picks at Zach Johnson? Will JT step up? Can Ricky step up? Can Brooks step up? Can a rookie like Sam Burns step up? So the captain's always I think the captains always listen. The Ryder Cup comes
down to the performance of the players. Whether I think some captains do a better job than others, absolutely, I think some captains take a different approach and create an atmosphere and a culture of competence and winning and stuff like that. So I do think that captains do play a role. But if you talked all the captains, and like I said, I've talked to Paul McGinley at length about this, it's the players, right, It's the players how they perform. Now, do the captains have a big part
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huge part of this. Historically, over the last thirty years, since the early nineties, the Euros have putted us off the off the golf course at the Ryder Cup. I think part of that is historically, in my experience, the greens in Europe tend to be a lot slower. Historically, the greens that the players played on that played the European Tour have historically been a lot slower than the
US greens. I think the US somewhat struggles because the greens on the PGA Tour have been so much better that when they've gone to Europe they purposely clept the greens slower. The Euros are more used to that. You see the Americans leaving a lot of putts short, you see their body language. And then because the Euros are such great players when they've come to the US in the Ryder Cup, historically we've gotten the greens as fast
as possible. Thinking that's going to give us an advantage, and the Euros feel like they've been let out of jail because they feel like they can make putts, and it's somewhat backfire. So now the fact that a large contingent of the European side plays a lot of their golf on the PGA Tour, maybe that's not what it
used to be. But historically, in my opinion, the Euros have gotten points not only from rookies and guys that you wouldn't think they've gotten points from, but they've ridden their superstars, they've ridden their horses, and for years Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson were the best players in the game, the best players of this generation, two of the best players the games ever seen, and they don't have amazing, fantastic Ryder Cup records. So I do think that politics.
I do think the good old boy network boys that like to play with each other, picking people for specific partners. This has always been a part of the Ryder Cup, and I think the Euros have played that chess game maybe better at times. To me, a lot of the way the Europeans have selected their teams, the way that they they've picked their teams and the players that they've picked. At times from a captain standpoint, it has looked a
little bit like you'd make an argument. Then in the last thirty years it looked at times like the US was playing checkers and the Euros were playing chess. But I do think that this is a very, very very good US team. Scotti, Scheffler, Wyndham Clark, Brian Harmon, Patrick Cantley, Max Homer, Xanderschoffley Brooks, Koepka, Jordan Speeth, Colin Morikawa, Sam Burns, Ricky Fowler, Justin Thomas Sadly for the US, Lucas Glover, Keegan Bradley, Cam Young, they're the odd guys out, and
I think you could make arguments. I mean you could definitely make arguments for Cam Young. Everybody thinks he's superstar, hits the golf ball, Miles. I think everybody thought he was going to be on this team in this cycle. Freddie Couples made a comment that he was one hundred percent on the team. Zach Goudas, asked about in his press conference, said that that was a while back. Lucas Glover hot, I mean, he's got the hot hand, right, He's the guy great ball Striker. I think he would
have been a perfect partner for Brian Harmon. They didn't pick him. Keegan Bradley loves the Ryder Cup. Everybody knows what you're gonna get with Keegan. I think unfortunately this year he's the odd man out. I think that would have been probably the most difficult phone call to make, is to Keegan Bradley. His passion, he wears his heart on his sleeve, but hasn't been dominant in the Ryder Cup, doesn't have a dominant Ryder Cup record. I think you're
picking Luke's glover because he's got the hot hand. But Sam Burns, Slick, Rick, BK Morikawa, Jordan Speith, and j T. That's who Zach said he wanted on this team. That is who. It sounds like the vice captains wanted on this team. That is who. It sounds like Xander Max Can'tley,
Brian Harmon, Wyndam Clark, and Scotty Scheffler. So we'll see when we look at the US team from a major standpoint, Scotty Scheffler Major Champion, Wyndom Clark, Major Champion, Brian Harmon, Major Champion, Brooks Koepka Major Champion, Jordan Speith, Major Champion, Colin Morricawa Major Champion, Justin Thomas Major Champion. It's a lot of majors. We got a bunch of guys that have won the FedEx Cup, if that's precursor, We've got a bunch of guys on the US team that have
won the President's Cup. To me, the US Ryder Cup team is looking more and more like the President's Cup in that the Writer Cup on paper, for the last thirty years, a majority of the time people thought that the US would win based off of what we see on paper, and it didn't happen. Every year the President's Cup on paper, the US is the favorite and almost
every year they win. And I've always said, up until the last two cycles of the Writer Cup, if the US team and captains and the entire approach was more like the President's Cup, it seems to me like we would have had more success. Who runs the US President's Cup team the PGA Tour, not the PGA of America.
So the PGA Tour runs the President's Cup, and the PGA Tour running of the President's Cup always seemed to me like that was more kind of what was going to have US play our best golf, and I do think that the US system now is more like the
President's Cup. Anybody that thought anybody from LIV had any chance in making this team other than Brooks, that is, in my opinion, that was fantasy lab Taylor Gooch, who I think you can make a huge argument given the type of golf course, given the type of golf he plays, shot maker. He can move it right to left, you can make move it left to right. He's a pretty gritty, tenacious character. He's won a bunch of times on Live this year playing some great golf. He was never going
to get a look Brison. I think Bryson's playing some amazing golf seems to have turned the corner just shut fifty eight. He was never going to pick. He was never going to get a pick DJ. For everything that DJ did last year, I just didn't see it. I think the only person from the Live side that was gonna have a chance was gonna be Brooks. And I think the only reason he got a pick he fell out of the automatic qualifications and he won a major
championship this year. He won the PGA Championship, which is run by the PGA VERMRI which runs the Ryder Cup. I just don't think you can. And I think almost winning the Masters. So a second in a major and a first and a Major, regardless of where you're playing, you're probably gonna get on the Ryder Cup team. It's a Ryder Cup team that way. And if you're already a five time major champion, which Brooks is, you're probably gonna get a shout. So tough choices for Zach. I
think it's gonna be tough choices for Luke. I think you can make an argument on paper that maybe the Americans are favored, But I look at that European team. I look at the confidence that Victor Hobbin mean, they could pare Victor Hovlin with John Rahm and you could see Victor Hoblin and John Rom going undefeated. They could pair Victor Hobblin with Rory McElroy and you could see those two going undefeated. You could pair John Rom with
Rory McElroy and you could see them going undefeated. So you could see three of the big big super stars for Europe getting a boatload of points. And can we get a boatload of points from Scotty Scheffler, Xander Max
Homer can't lay. Those are kind of the stalwarts of the guys that qualified, right, Xander Max Homa can't lay and Scheffler Right, There's an argument to be made that, Okay, Brian Harmon gets on the team because he wins a major, and you know, Wyndam Clark, even though he won once this year, he gets on because he won a major. But I still think winning major's counts. I still think it shows a lot of who you are as a player.
So I think it's gonna be fascinating. I am super excited on a personal note to be a part of Brooks Kepka's team, and to look at where Brooks was last year at this time. I just don't think you'd think he was a captain pick. I don't think you'd even think he was in the frame. I'm sure as I don't think he would have thought he would have come on to this Ryder Cup team as Major champion again, five time Major champion now so, but I am so proud of him. I'm excited to be going. Ryder Cups
are special. They're special for the players, They're special for the captains, they're special for the vice captains. They're special for the caddies and for those of us in the coaching category that are lucky enough to work with players that make Ryder Cup teams, they are special week They are definitely special weeks. There are memorable weeks. And I am incredibly proud of brooks Kopka to have qualified for this team in the manner that he did and to
be playing the golf that he is playing. And I'm excited. I'm excited to see who they're gonna pair him with. I'm excited to see the choices that Captain Johnson and Captain Donnell for both the US and the Euros make. But the Ryder Cup is special. That's why you see the passion for a guy like j T who is so desperate to make these teams. And I hope we get the Justin Thomas that Zach Johnson wants on that
team that uses this as a springboard. We've seen that, right, We've seen that Adam Scott got put on a couple of teams when he wasn't playing good at a time in his career where it was kind of an opportunity for him to get some of the mojo back. I think JT's gonna use this as that opportunity, and I hope for for JT, and I hope for the Americans that he does it. And I think there's some opportunities here for guys like Wyndham Clark and Brian Hemman as rookies.
Max Homer. I'm excited to see what he does. Excited to see the golf that Xander plays Ryder Cup twenty twenty three in Italy in about a month's time. I will be there. Everybody will be watching. Anytime there's a Ryder Cup in the end of a year, it's special. I'm excited for it and I can't wait to get over there. Pasta pizza, Ryder Cup, some great coffee, some gelato and some great golf. I mean, sign me up.
I'm here for that. Well, thank everyone for listening. Son of a Butch comes to you every Wednesday, and we will see you next week.
