Pat Perez

being officially over, that's where Pat's making his home. UM. He talks a lot about that choice and UM listen, UM, my job is and and in doing this podcast, I wanted to try and get as many different people on with his many different points of view about golf, about the game of golf, and given the current state of where golf is, UM, you know, I think Pat is one of the guys that have gone there. He's got some very very UM, like I said, he's got some

hot takes. UM you always. I mean, I think Pat his entire career has been some one who has given the golf media um what they want, which is controversy, which is sound bites. And he doesn't hold back in that uh full disclosure. UM. I'll have anybody on the podcast that's in the game of golf. UM. This summer at the UM. I think it was at the RBC UM Heritage Harbor Town. UM. Jay Monahan came out, walked a few holes with Dustin Johnson and I said to j I said, listen, Ja, I'd love to get you

on my podcast. UM love to get you, you know, talking about what's going on in the PGA tour. UH and just hear what you're saying. Obviously there's a lot of crazy things out there. And and that time, UM, it was pre lived, but everybody kind of knew that Live was back on UM the scene again and I said to Jay, said, listen, I'd love to have you come out and talk to you, talk to you about what's going on. And he said, yeah, let me let me get back to you. So if you're listening to Jay,

we'd love to have you on. And UM, but the was a really good interview. Listen. I work with Pat Perez. I'm a Pat Perez fan. And you gotta remember Live has been so kind of polarizing and UM, there is no shortage of people talking heads players, people in the media, UM beating the drum for the PGA tour, which I get and you know, I listen, I listen to what their takes are and if you're gonna listen to those takes,

there's going to be an alternative take to that. There are going to be the guys that have gone to Live. There are going to be the guys that went for whatever reasons they went. And whether you agree with it, whether you don't agree with it. Um, you know, life is about choices, and this is the choices people have made. Pat Perez has made the choice to go to Live.

I know a lot of people when Pat signed with Live, they beat up on him because of things he had said about Live and stuff in the past, and and we get into that. So, UM, I'm excited to for everybody to hear it. And if it changes your view, then cool. It changes your view, And if it doesn't change your view, I'm good with that, that's cool too. So without any further ado, let's get to the interview with the one and the only Pat Perez. So my guest today, Pat Perez, Pat, Um, what a crazy year

it's been. If I'd have told you last year at this time, um, all that's happened in professional golf had happened, would you have believed it? Now? We can't actually make

it up. The fact that you know, we just said three years ago, well even after I won, after I won twice in eleven months, and I said, hey, by the way, this isn't even gonna scratch the surface of what's coming your way when you're forty six, like you're crazy, there's no chance come out of surgery, win my third tournament back, and then hey, but fast forward, there's gonna

be this opportunity in golf. There's gonna be another group that comes out that is going to change the game, and it's gonna pull a lot of players from the PGA Tour. Like this, there's there's no chance it can't happen. It's absolutely impossible. And the fact that I was transpired since since June is just unbelievable. I literally can't believe it's all. Um. I just can't believe it's actually happened.

So it's been amazing. You've probably been the guy um at Live who's taken as much of a beating from the anti Live people as anyone. Why do you why do you think that is? Well, I don't know they you know I played you know, I had a twenty one of your career. I played dice on the Tour. I kept my card every year. You know, I was obviously not a DJ or Brooks or you know, Roary or Tiger Phill and all these guys, you know, but I grew up in the Tiger Fill era. You know,

I've known those guys in my whole life. They were the dominant players always. And you know, I think people to think that my career was better than it was. And you know, I'm as realist as anybody. I know that I am in a world beating I've I've won three times and every I love when people said, we've only won three times, and go win once, or go get your card really, you know, get through Q school, keep your card, you know, get playing the Masters, playing

every tournament that's available. I played every single tournament that's been available to the game, every major, every w d C century, everything. I might just go play in one event, you know, let alone keep your card and then only win three times and playing for twenty one years, and then tell me how easy it's. You know, I'm some timey hearing that ship and the only one three times and only when, and only win thirty million dollars and only win third, you know, and keep your card, every time,

and you know, I'm so tired of hearing that. But you know that's the thing. I'm a realist, so I know I'm not. I wasn't a world beater. But all of a sudden, when it seems like when you get paid up front, that people expect your game to be different, Like you know, you're supposed to be this world beater all of a sudden, a sudden you're supposed to I'm supposed to make every pot, you know, knocked down the pins, you know, and play these hard courses, which we are.

We're playing hard courses, are set up hard. But you've seen who's one and who's played there. The they're they're the best players on our tour. And you know, DJ and Brooks were phenomenal before they got the pe. Read was phenomenal before he got there. Cam Smith was number two in the world just when the players in the open. I mean, yes, he's gonna be at the top. That's

the way it is. But I think when you get paid up front, and if you just look at other sports, I mean, I've been through my whole life seeing these other guys that get paid thirty million. You see these basketball contracts four years four, and you don't even know the guy's name. You're like guaranteed that guy get that money guaranteed, Like you just gonna get a hundred eighty four million dollars, Like, well, he better have, you know, fifty five triple doubles, he better lead his team in

the championship. And when they don't, those guys don't get beat up. But for some reason, because I'm supposed to, you know, because I got I made a ton of money in this deal that my game was supposed to be somewhat incredible at you know, almost forty seven years old.

Do you think some of the negative the negative comments towards you come from I mean I went back and watched the podcast that you you did with Cult Knows, you know, and you talked it was right after l A was right when film made his comments, and um, you know, you were pretty, I mean you were pretty. You were an anti LID, but you were like, listen, I mean I think it's over. I think it's dead. I don't think it's gonna happen. All of that, and

then you sign and play seven events. Do you think people look at maybe some of your comments that you made in the past and go, Okay, well you were saying this at this point of the year, and then you get an offer, and then you go. You gotta remember Coulton knows and his partner cut out twenty minutes of my podcast with them, and when it comes to film, I have a different hate fulfilled than most people. And people won't know the story. I'm not gonna go into

the story again. But Phil crossed the line with me that it is just uncrossable and unforgivable, and he knows that he's screwed up. He apologized for the action, but it doesn't I cannot forgive him for because I've known film for a long long time. I've known the guy forever, and the fact that when he made this action, not only was it he had, he had intentions of doing it, he was already he knew it was gonna happen before happening, and when he did it, I was so like, you know,

I was. I was hurt. For one. I was, you know, I'm like, how can this guy do this and this and this? So well. I didn't go into really on cold thing, but I told her, I said, you've cut out all the reasons of why I don't like film. And I said that. The other thing is that, you know, everybody thought that Phil was on the other side of Everyone thought that Phil was greedy in this. No he wasn't. If anybody knows what's going on. Phil has been top

fifties whole career. He's been involved in all these teams and all the things that are going on the tour. He is very knowledgeable and what's going on with the tour. And he voiced his displeasure and what is wrong with the tour. And he's a correct in the fact of the way the tour is the way they are. They are for themselves. They are not for the players, They are not for you know, growing anybody else except their own pockets. They call themself a nonprofit, yet all they

have is profit, So how does that work? Right? But the thing about what I was saying is that Phil, Yeah, Phil almost ruined the thing completely because of his comments about the deal. And then guys got scared of like, wow, this isn't gonna work. Now Phil's obviously turned you know, he's saying this and this, and it could have been a worse timing for the live group in that deal. And then, but like I that in my interview, I said, I'm behind the tour because I didn't get it off.

I've never talked to the live group my entire life, you know. And then Tiger was against it, and this mattered. You know, Tiger has always been you know, and idol mine and you know I've always looked up to him, and but he wasn't four it, but I was. Again, I didn't have it again, like I said, Yeah, I said, you offered me a good deal. I'm going because at my point in my life, at forty six, you offer me enough catch and I don't have to do as much as I don't, you know, I don't have to

play as much anymore. I'm at it. And so unfortunately timing for film and then because Phil and I had a little talk funny enough, the the week before that all happened, so before all those comments came out, and then funny enough, right after I did the podcast with Cold is when you know, I think phili is starting to get word on, you know, things that I knew and this and ad and so the Cold cut out a lot of that deal. And so it's none of that.

I was really against it or four I didn't know enough about it obviously, and I wasn't even considering because I didn't have an offer and talk to anybody, and really, you know, other than you and DJ, that's the only real reason I knew that something may have come by direction. But you know, the whole thing about me wearing out Phil has way more to do with the interaction or the problem that we have had as opposed to him trying to beat up the tour and going after a

lot of money. So that's that's where it needs to be clarifying. Do you think um, I mean, I think we've all you know, those those of us that have been a part of Live for the last for these eight tournaments that you know, I went to all of them. You you were there for seven of them. Do you think that there's a misconception about what's happening what's going on on on the Live Tour? Do you think people's perception of what's happening is different than what is happening.

I think one, because it's not on TV, so everybody thinks that's not on TV, that it doesn't count. Well, that's not that's not true. The people that kind out love it, I mean, the fans have a blast it's way different. You know. It's like it's like a mini waste management type tournament, is what it is, because you have only so many fans, but you have concerts and we have all these things going on, music on the course.

Fan interaction with the players is phenomenal. It's way different than people, you know, but people are so stuck in the fact that these guys left the PGA Tour, so you know it has to be terrible. We're only gonna stay with the PGA Tour because the PGA Tour loves us. The PGA Tour doesn't love the fans. They don't They love them because they come out and pay money and these kind of things. That's why the PGA Tour would

love the fan. And that's it. You know, It's not like I don't know why if the fans came out and actually experienced the live event like Miami was unbelievable, It was so awesome, if they would give it a chance and like kind of see that, Hey, you know, you got Dustin and Cam and Brooks and Bryson and Phil and and you know, Louis and all these Sergio and all these great players playing and if we just watched this and go get to watch great players play

as opposed to we hate them because they took this money and they called blood money and sports washing and all of a sudden crap that all the media has you know, thrown at us. You know they've already been it's already bring the rain hole. This is sports wash, this is blood money. This can't be real. You know, it's exhibition. It doesn't count. That's enough there. If they would give it a fair chance, it would think they

would see that it's amazing. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think one of the one of the things that's quite sad is the quality of golf that that I was able to see on live for the eight tournaments and on and again and again. I'm I'm working on live because that's where the players I coach play. So I don't have a beef with the PGA Tour. I mean, I don't care either way. But what I think is it's been a little bit sad is there's been some

unbelievable golf played. There's been some great shots hit, there have been some great finishes down the stretch, and it's everything is you know, it's all just it's all bullshit. Doesn't mean anything stuff like that. And I mean, what

has been your favorite part? Take away all the money part of it that everybody wants to keep talking about, but what has been your favorite part about the seven tournaments that you've played and what is what is the thing you're looking forward to moving forward with regards to your involvement with Live. My my favorite thing about the entire deal is the team. And I love the fact that that our captain DJ really embraces the team. I mean, you're talking about a guy it's gonna make just a

ship ton of cast this year. Is people don't even understand they put If they found out the exact number he made, the people would fall down dead. The fact that he really does care about the team and he was so excited for me playing well on Sunday to help him win. I mean must have said times when he was proud, he was so happy. That is that to me? My favorite part is the teams. Like I told you day and day, I'm not gonna beat DJ or Brooks or camp Smith or you know a bunch

of these players, and that's fine. But the team thing. If I can count a couple of days to help the team win, for me, that is awesome. And the fact that I tied our two best players on Sunday to help win the team by one, you know, burning my second and my second and third to last hole and then getting up and down that bucker and then DJ, you know two puttying and we win by one, Red

burning his last hole. For me to be part of that mix to help win as opposed to shooting like seventy five to cost a team by one, it would have been just tragic. But for me, the whole, the whole team things are crowd That's my That's literally my favorite part of the whole thing is being involved with three other players and the caddies and their families and you know, knowing that DJ can count on me to come through because I've had to do it three time this year or my scores kind of had to get

it in in order for us to win. Now, people think I shoot ad every day and I you know, I'm not helping the team out at all. And that's what sucks is I've gotten so much ship because people think I'm just not you know, I walked around sterday you every day and cash nine hundred every time, you know, and it's it just sucks. But at the end of the day, like I said, I don't get the funk. If anybody cares they are lights it or not, or if they actually think that's happening, I don't care because

the cash is don't coming in. But the fact of the matter is I have helped. And on Sunday when I needed to show up because they were four scores counting and we all shot seventy and good shot Sevay want and we want. It wasn't a damn thing anybody

could have said. You know, uh, Woodland and Matt Coucher were up here at the Flow this week and you know they were playing and they were asking, you know, how live wells and everything like that, and could you know Coach doesn't you know, Coach doesn't really follow anything other than coach. And he was like, hey, what what what what the guy shoot on Sunday? And I said, you know, camp Smith shot seven under and he was like, man shooting seven under around that place. And then and

I said, Coke Crack shot four under. And you know, g Dub says, you know what, Patrio and I said, you shot two under and and Coach said, manto under on that golf course with the wind and the rough all the way back. He's like, dude, man, that's a that's a good score. And I think you know, when you look at a golf course like draw, you know, for you, I mean obviously you know you wish you had played better at times, right. I know you're really

disappointed in Bangkok. You got it going on Sunday. You know you've already you know, three or four in a role and then you know had a bogey and a double on the team. You know, I know you really felt like you let the team down. But I think the way that you finished the year and the golf that you played, um, you know, you beat yourself up probably more than any player I've ever worked with. I mean, I've never seen someone with the worst attitude on the

golf course than you. And you know my special but I talked about a little bit. I did a part my podcast earlier that came out this week, but I talked about it. I think the fans sometimes that watch you guys play golf think that one, golf is always easy for you. Two that you as players are always supremely confident and always play well. Um, to play good

on Sunday at the last tournament when it counted. Um, do you feel like that's a as much mental as it is technical with the stuff that you're trying to do in your golf swing. Well, you know, we worked pretty hard that week because you know, we got through on Monday. You know, I said, we gotta fix this ship. We've gotta fix it's goddamn slice and all this other ship. So we're not leaving until we get it. And once

we got the swing groove and this and that. Once I started, once I start seeing things go the direction, my mental changes immediately because once I see that it's happened, I can take that to the course without any doubt that it will work. I don't get scared. Well, you know, I just you know, I don't want to I don't want to take it. I took to the range. I'm

just gonna go back to my own ship. No, I stick with it the whole day once I you know, Monday was good, and then Tuesday was better, Wednesday was better. And I told you Friday night, I said, going in tomorrow, first day with with goods as I'm ready. I'm ready, I'm mentally ready, I'm physically physically ready. And when I started seeing these shots with the driver room and all these other you know, these irons and the wedges, and

there's no doubt we're gonna win this match. But I knew I could show up and I knew that I was ready. My attitude was great because I knew I could pull off shots and hit things that I needed to at the time. So you know, I didn't have to try to bail out and guide it. You're not doing that around that course, You're not. You can't guide. You can't bail out. You can't not. You have to be able to hit. And then now that was that

whole week. We put it in and we didn't change anything, and we worked on and we grinded it out by Friday night. When I woke up Sunday and Saturday morning, I knew we were ready. And then by Sunday morning, I knew I was ready to go out and play a really good round. So let's take a quick break to thank our partner for wellness. You guys have heard me talk about it. I'm a big fan of their coffee, big fan of the good stuff. I put it in my coffee on a regular basis. The thing I like

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as as you know as a professional golfer. You know, because so many people listening to this podcast struggle with the same thing that we were just talking about, right, They struggle from going from what they're working on in the driving range to taking it to the golf course and playing with it in your experience, in the way that your brain works. How do you have that balance between Okay, I'm I'm, I'm Because on the range it's always good, right, I mean, you got a thousand golf balls,

you can always find something stuff. But when you go to the golf course, there's so many consequences to the shots that you're going to hit right, and and and how have you been able you know, let's use last week as an example. Okay, we had a really good week of of practice. Right, That's something that a lot of people listening will go through. Okay, I've had a

really good week this week of practicing. So the ability to go from the driving range to the golf course, that mental space that you have to get in to do that. UM, talk me through that process for you. Well, like I said, we were we had a great week, but every time, every time we got really got started, I kept focusing on what we need to do. It was it was really being more aware of exactly what I need to do to get in the position is

that we wanted to get into. And then when I got on the course for the first time a long time, I was really more aware of what I had to do, not necessarily worrying about the consequences, but worrying about, Okay, I've got to get it started this way off the ball so that I will get to hear and if I if I do that, it will be good. But if I missed one last week, I knew what it was. That was kind of the difference I was. I was

so much more aware. Uh you know, we had thousands of balls on that range on on Monday the Friday, and I was very aware, and we did our drills and we worked on it. When I got to the course, I kind of gave it another couple of seconds to think about, Okay, this is how it has to go. Instead of getting up like a normally do and just hit it. So it wasn't necessarily the the consequence I was thinking about was the It was the It was

the you know, the process of getting it too. You know, what we were doing on the range so that I knew I could hit those shots on the course, that that's where I was. It was really a where what we've worked on all week, and then by the time game time came around, the process was just still the same. So mentally I was a much better place thinking about just what we had worked on. You know, you're a

really fast player. You've always played really really fast. Your personality is you know, people see your golf swing and your your your game kind of match your personal Do you think sometimes that the speed which you play can maybe take away some of the process of what you're trying to do. They can, And I thought, I thought last week I played a little slower, you know, I slowed down a little bit because you know, with that course, you really got to be precise on where you're going.

So it's night talked about more lines, where are we gone? And then you know I was actually making more practice swings with my you know, trying to get my position and stuff like that, which I don't usually do, but I knew I had to concentrate more on that to

hit this shot that I was looking for. And I think, you know, just overall, I had an a whole different version of myself on the course as far as preparation, mental preparation, you know, you know, prep before each shot and kind of visualizing what I had way more visualizations what I thought was going to happen on each shot. The shot you hit, you know, I talked about it on on on the podcast I put out earlier this last week. Um, the shot you hit on nine the ninth, Hold,

what was nine to part three? Um, you were finishing on you you started on twelve, so you're finishing your nine, ten eleven, So nine the distances one, it was two or seven, two or seven of the labs right off the lab, and we knew it was a perfect six iron. And I told you it's got to trust this ship this time, I said, you know, because all fucking week got hit it over there, laughed, laughed, laughed. I'm it's not time to hit a laugh. Yeah. And there's water,

I mean there's missing to the right, there's water. There's nowhere to miss it to the right. No, no, I'm swinging out to the right. Are are our deal? Let's swing out to the right. And I just said, you know what, I'm going with it, and I got this is the time I've got to hit the shot. And it came out like a laser and it just held dead straight, and then the wind didn't touch it and

didn't drawn and fade. It was just a dead straight laser right where I was talking on the l that was black behind on the on the stands back there, I go, that's that shot. Was unbelievable. And then do you feel that path when you hit a shot like that under pressure? We stand up and you say, okay,

this is a shot I need to hit right. Everybody, during the course of a round of golf, especially at the professional level, there's going to be a shot that where you have to stand up and say, all right, if we're gonna win this golf tournament as the team it was a team competition, I've got to stand up after you hit that shot. What's going through your mind? Are you saying to yourself? Is it relief? Is it I can do that again? Is it? What is what?

What are you saying to yourself in your head as you're walking off between you've just executed the shot the way because I think so many people listening they beat themselves up about the good shots. Right they stand up, they hit a good shot, and they'll say, oh, now I hit a good shot, you know now, and they don't take any real positivity and embrace what they've just done. Yeah. I took it as the work and paid off. I put in the time. I put in the work I

needed to hit the shot. I trusted him and I hit it. So I left they're feeling, you know what, I deserved that shot. I did my time, I put in. You know, that's why I put it all that time, was to stand up there be able to hit that shot. And I was happy. I was happy, you know, I felt like, yeah, I felt like it was deserved. And so then you go to so then the tent toll now the opposite water all the way down the left

hand side, kind of a dog leg around the corner. Um, you know, not around the corner, but just a dog leg from right to left. Um, you've got to stand up, you know it. If you bail one out to the right with the driver, you know, the roughest brutal it's and and you stood up and you hit another really really good shot. Do you do you think that the shot before and the mental space that you were able to get into to say, okay, I've just got to stand up and trust what I'm doing allowed you to

make a really aggressive, good drivers swing on tent. Yeah. You know, Plus we hit how many drivers? The driving range where we were hitting was, I mean probably fifty yards from where that t shot was. It was the same direction, was the same wind, So I hit a hundreds hundreds of driving with that same wind. So I'm thinking to myself, it's the same as a driving Roos almost. You know, we had our when we had our fare way. We picked those two trees in the rage, so I

visualized those two trees. I'm like, it's gonna start off this one and it's gonna draw. So I had all that once again go back to the vigitalization, and all those thoughts from fifty are the right of me. I'm thinking, Okay, the water's out there, I'm just gonna turn it off this I'm gonna work it with the shape of the of the water. And it came round at the center and it was exactly what I had visioned, but again, what we had worked on for six days to get

to that point. It wasn't necessarily, it wasn't relieved. It was I deserve that because I put in the work and I trusted it and I did it. I stand up there, you know, I stood up there and showed my balls. And that was in fucking Poe. Um. We've we've heard a lot about this divide between you know, the guys that are stolen the PGA tour the guys that have gone to live. Um. I was in the car with you, um when we were going out on Sunday night, and you know, Padrick Harrington messaged you. You said,

you've got a message from John rom. Um. Have there been other players that are on the PGA tour that I've reached out to you now that the season's over. I got a text from Justin Thomas Monday boarding because said, hey, man, I'm so happy for he congrats that to night. And

I was like, you know, that's pretty cool. You know I think I think like with with like rom and Justin, I think they see the look this guy played twenty one years you know, you know it could be towards the end of his PJA Tory career more than likely. But the fact that he gotta he gotta break. You know, he showed up on he showed up on Sunday, shot seventy on Durral. You know, I think they just recognized

that I've played well. And you know, everybody knows DJ is the guy and Cam's the guy in this and now. But I think people have realized, you know, hey, here's a guy, you know, because that's kind of been a you know, average player's whole career and grinded it out, kept his card forever, got to DIB and he got a break, and he had to show up on Sunday to help his team, and he did. I think I think those guys realize, you know, I'm not a threat to Justin Thomas or you know, any of those top players,

you know, Scheffler and all these other guys. They know I'm not a threat tongue. But and they can't really be mad that I left, because you know, if you look at the breakdown, right, I'm not gonna be and I would never be in the pit. I wouldn't be in the sixties. I'm not gonna get five hundred grands, I'm gonna make more math and you know I'm not qualified for the five thousand. So it's like they see a guy going, Hey, you know, this guy grinded it out.

He's on DJ's team. DJ's obviously the world beater, you know, for his team, and this and that. I think they just saw his Hey. I think they were generally happy for me that I showed up, and they don't see me as a threat, so they're like, I think they're just genuinely happy for But it was nice here and I heard from Web Simpson, Aaron Badley, um, the same thing. Congrats.

You know, I thought it was pretty cool. I thought it was pretty cool, you know, because justin Thomas, you know, he's he's a world player, he just played phenomenal in the President's Cup. He's he's a phenomenal player. You know, it's phenomenal. But he's obviously anti Litt, you know, for whatever reasons he is. And that's fine, it's fine. But the fact that he reached out and and you know, congratulating, I thought that was I thought that was pretty I

think it's a little bit like other sports. If you play, if you played any downs in the NFL that they talk about, there's a brotherhood that if you played in in you know, in the NFL, if you played in Major League Baseball, if you played in basketball. UM, I think that the thing people ask me all the time, you know, Live PJ Tour, and you know, I'm a fan of golfers. I'm a fan of golf swings. I'm

a fan of watching golfers hit shots. And I think that, you know, regardless of I remember when Brooks was still playing on the Challenge Tour and UM in thirteen he qualified for the the Open Championship. He and Peter u Line qualified and they played a practice round with UM. They played in the money games of Phil and and Ricky Fowler. Uh my dad was working with with with both of them at the time. Still went on to win that week at Mirrorfield. But we played a practice

round and they're playing the money games. So Peter and and and Brooks are playing Phil and and Ricky and you know, Phil was he was like, man, this this kid looks you know, this book skin. He looks pretty good. Where's he playing? I said, you know, he's playing on

the Challenge Tour. And I said, listen, he hasn't done anything on the on the European Tour yet or the PGA Tour, But I said, you know, he's playing on the Challenge show and he's shooting a lot of really low scores on the Challenge Shore and Brooks was he was shooting, you know, sixty two, sixty three, sixty fours to win, and I said, yeah, I mean, it's the Challenge Shore and Phil will never forget this, he said,

Golf is golf. I don't care where you're playing. If you're shooting low numbers, it doesn't matter if it's high school golf, college golf, a tour here or tour there. The shots are the shots. The you have to hit the shots. And I think that, you know, it's cool that those guys reached out to you because they understand that they have the same job that you've got. Right, you're trying to play competitive golf for a living, and

anybody that thinks that that's easy is mistaken. I mean, I think sometimes I think the people listening in the fans think golf is a hell of a lot easier than you guys do that play it for a living and that are the best players in the world. Yeah, it's not easy. It's not easy at all. Nobody, nobody plays professional a level. Any tour has these You're still

trying to meet the guys that are around here. It doesn't matter if we're not playing against the thomas Is and Rory's and Rohm's every week, we're still playing against DJ and and Sergio and and and uh, you know, Cam Smith and these guys. I mean, it's it's it's a different tour. But I think, you know, people gotta realize that it just is what it is. And then golf, you know, you said the golf is golf. It's it's unfortunately, the unfortunate thing is where the game is right now.

It's unfortunate that you know, we couldn't have come to more of an agree agree. But I think I think Monahan's completely fuck this whole thing up by not at least taking a call from the Live group, Like I told you, yeah, they what he's done. What he did was turned down our money. And I've told us to multiple players, SA, if you don't take a phone call from a company or a group that wants to invest billions of dollars into it, at least listen to it.

You know, at least take the phone call, listen to it and go, hey, why don't we think about this, Let's see if it's good for us? This and that. Okay, fine, at least we get at least we get a look at it. But the fact that he didn't, you know, and I think it's gotten so so divided now unfortunately that I just don't. I don't see any repair him at all. So do you, I mean, do you think that you know? Because I get asked a lot of questions. You know, where does golf happen? Where does it go? Now?

Do you think that there will now be two tours? They'll be the PGA Tour and the people that play on that, and there will be the live guys and the people that play on that tour, and there will be separate because originally, I think a lot of eyes at the beginning. You know, when we were in London. You know you were part of the lawsuit. You backed out of that. Um do you do you regret being part of the lawsuit? You know? I do, and I don't because the only reason I joined it was not

to go back for the PJ tour. The only reason I did it was too back you know, there's two guys on my team and then there was basically some other friends that we're fighting for it now, but I wanted nothing to do it. That's why I pulled out, you know of it, because I'm not interested in going back. I knew once I decided that I was leaving the PGA tour, I was done forever. I don't have the name or the fight to go to the tour saying look,

you guys need me, I need to be part of this. No, they don't need me at all, just like tour players are on there, they don't need any of them. So you know, I knew that leaving, So yeah, it was unfortunately got thrown in the mix, but I pulled out. I got a text from Brian Harmon saying, hey, thanks for you know, pulling out less. I said, Brian, you know you and I talked for hundreds of hours on the tour about where is all this goddamn money going? Where is everything going? Why are we at a pocket?

Where's all the spots of money? Where's all these things? Thats and I have fought for twenty years in that tour for the things that you finally have gotten. So you know, and people know that. You know, I've been I was out there so long. I always asked Monahan and a pastor and all these guys, where the hell is on the money going? Why are we at a pocket?

How can you guys are flying around you know, G four and stay at the Ritz and eded Morton's every night, you know, and the players are worried about missing the cotton, being out seven eight grand, But you guys standing there together every Sunday giving away you know, twelve to fifteen million dollars to charity, which totally wrong. I'm on for charity, I'm all for it. It's great what the tour does for the communities, but why not take care of everybody

that's helping you get that money away? Why is everybody out you know, why are seventy five guys going all with the holder pocket? And that kind of piste me off. But yeah, you know, the lawsuit thing is I think, you know, I understand why I got like Phil. You know, he's got lifetime exemptions. You know, with forty six wins, I understand why he's met he has earned the right

to do that. But you know, once again, everybody leaving should have known that Monahan was dead serious about when he said it three times, when you leave, you're gonna be suspended. Maybe I was the only one to thought that because I knew once I left, I was gonna

be done. And that's why, you know, we had multiple conversations during during London, like I've got to make sure that I'm gonna be part of this for a minute, because I know I can't go back and my career on the on the PGA Tour and the Champions Tour is over. So that's why I was a little hesitant out of the game. But you know, and I thought I'll back the guys in the lawsuit, but it was it was stupid. I shouldn't have done anyway. I don't want to do anything part of that because I don't

want to go back to PJA Tour. You know. I wish, I wish it could have been something earlier in time, that maybe it could have worked where everybody could have got along. But it's just not gonna happen now. Unfortunate, it's not an appen I saw a rock a mediate yesterday on a podcast we're saying, you know, he he he thinks that the guys that live you know should just say thank you, because, um, everything in their life

has happened because of the PGA Tour. There is an argument to be made, path that the tour, the PGA Tour, offered you and everyone else an enormous opportunity and a platform. And there is a sentiment of I think a lot of people that are still on the PGA Tour that work, you know for the tour in Pontovidra, that listen, we gave you this platform and you should be thankful for that. No, I understand, And I I said in my when I pulled up interview, I said, look, I said, I thank

the tour. They gave me a one wonderful opportunity for twenty one years to play on the tour. But again they didn't give me anything. They gave him. You don't make any money. Yeah, I said, they gave us an opportunity, they created something that's amazing that you can play professional golf and played for all. This mightunus this, but yeah, I mean, it's always it's it's I mean I've always thought that without the without the players, there is no PGA Tour, right and and to me, um, if I

was going to be critical, of the PGA Tour. Listen, I was never a player. Um so I'm just speaking of my experience. It always struck me that the tour thought that they were the product, not the players. It always struck me that the tour made every bone feel like and and we did it right. We we called we called everybody that worked jamnahand Andy Pasner and Ross ber Litt. But we we as as people on the PJ we call them the tour. But you're you were

the tour. When you were on the PGA tour, You and and Rory McElroy and Jordan's Speet and all of the people that played. You guys were the two And I think one of the things that live his coming in and and for the first time they're being competition. Um. I think people are realizing that, wait a minute, we were treated as specifically. We've heard a lot. I've experienced it. I know you have as well a lot of people that ask me, this is what is so different about

being on the live tour versus the PGA Tour. I've got my own faults on that. Taking the money part aside, right, because everybody knows, you know, people got paid, right. People some people got the bag, you know, Brooks, DJ Phil. They secured the bag for life, which I don't have a problem with. I don't have problem with Rory McElroy flying around in the plane that he flies around with his initials on the engine on the back, and Tiger as well, because they they're not giving those things away.

You can you can't, You can't you with Nie with Ernie Els, did Tiger Woods did all the great players. You can't do that without being a great player. Um, what hit you felt has been the main difference in the way that you feel playing live versus playing on the PGA Tour. And nothing to do with the money side of things. No, No, it's not the money that

I feel like that. It's a group that actually cares about me, and they cared about all forty eight of us, and the caddies and the coaches and the families and everything. I mean, you know, alright, bring it up, but you know you had you know, I had a problem with one of these goddamn caddies. Caddy stole money twice from me out of my wallet. I found him. FBI report,

police report. Doctor I was on Mona. Hans asked Paszers asked for years on this ship, and all they kept tom is well he didn't see him actually take it, so you know this, but we can't take his livelihood and let him take my money. So you're protecting him like, oh, you're protecting well, you know, it's not really like us. It's just there was a situation where a case all my money and they were never behind me. I was always fucking pissed that they never tried to help out,

never thought about. But if I was a big enough name, he would have been gone. The good thing on that deal is that he will never be on the lip. We've already we've already secured that they'll never be I'll never have to see him again because they'll never be on the lip, which is phenomenal. But it's just it's a little ship like that. Then if you had a promise, it's you know, we gotta let's see what we can do,

you know. It's yeah, we don't know, we don't we don't think it can help down And it was always that way the live group with Norman and and and everybody part. They can't do enough. They can't help enough, you know, and unless they I need to be catered to know, I don't need anything. I don't. I'm easy. I don't. I don't need a lot of ship. But if I actually have a legitimate question and a problem, they can't do enough. But they've already kind of covered

it all. The way they treat us, the way everything goes into it, the caddies alone, you know, everything, flights, hotels, transportation, food, everything, the term us, the way they're set up everything at the tournament. It's just it's it's it's pretty good. It's really good. But to go back to your original you had a question today about you know, about the two tours, it's actually three tours. Now you have the Lift Tour, you have the elite of the PGA Tour, and then

you have the other schedule. What's the other nine of the guys are going to play for? Which is a lot of the Island Tour, you know, and all these other all these other deals. If you're part of the sixty and the p I P you're basically in your own schedule, and then the rest of those guys that aren't are another tour, and then you have the Lift tours going forward into when you know in twenty three

and four, it's astical gonna be three tours. I mean, obviously you have your own feelings about personally about Phil, but I mean the things that Phil talked about that he thought we were wrong with the PGA tour and where they could make changes. Do you feel like a lot of the things that he brought up he's been vindicated on because all of a sudden, you know, there is a earned assurance program on the PGA Tour so that if you don't make enough money, you've got money.

The the European Tour, the DFE World Tour today just did the exact same thing. A hut hundred and fifty grand, you play fifteen events and stuff like that. Um, it's naive to think that without I think anybody that thinks that all of this would have happened that live never come around. I think we're never gonna happen. It was never gonna happen. We can ask him by first, but I'll tell you where it all happen. I'll tell you the fault and the problem is the players in the past.

You know, deadheads like Fred Couples, you know those assholes that that could have done all this back in the day and said, look where your product we're bringing this all to you. Where is the money? Why are we not being taken care of? You know? And they want to be mad at us. All the are players. They want to be mad at us because this all this showed you know, this all showed up. But they should be mad at the PGA tour as well for going

you're guaranteeing these guys money. Now you're doing this, You're doing this, You're giving him a p I P. Think about how much Fred Couples Davis loved, you know, all these guys back in the day, John Dailey. Think about how much John Dayley would have made the p I P. I mean fucking with one every year, right, who was more popular than John Daly. He's still he's still probably arguable top five name in the game today. They still want to see him play. So how much what do

he made the p I P? You know, how do you win two majors and not get picked for the Ryder Cup team? I mean who they who ever won a major didn't play the Ryder Cup twice? You know, So there's all these other players. They should be mad at themselves. You know, they want to talk about us

and this is that. But isn't an amazing how it's always the guys that played a long time that then took the money and like, oh, these guys are greeding this this, But none of those guys care about anybody that played like three or four years that around of the game, right, No one cares about those guys, you know, the names in the past. But it's it's funny to me that it's the older generation that could have started this a long time ago, going, why are you guys

are giving away all this money to charity? You know, we're driving it out for a hundred eighty eight thousand dollars first place, you know, last places, sucking Ford Ran. It's not the expenses changed. The expenses are still the same amount. It's just the money has gone through the roof because of you know, because of Tigre really and then but now all these players are making so much money, and then what are you doing? You give them more money?

So it's the this this two these older guys that couples in love and all these other guys should be madder in hell at both tours. One the fact that all these limp guys are making so much but now the PGA tour is gonna take care of all these kids that are making a fortune and the older generation got nothing. That's the literal matterfault. Let's take a quick break, yeah,

and we are back. You live in Scottsdale. I live in in Jupiter, UM, you know, which is filled with people that currently play professional golf um on the PGA Tour on live. And then there are loads of people in both those towns that used to play on the PGA Tour that like you said that, you know a name that springs to mind here that you know that that we see all the time, who was a really

good player, Steve Marino. You've got to think a guy like Steve Marino is looking at what's going on on the PGA Tour going where where was this when I was playing? Where was this when I got injured? Right? Exactly like my boy Robert Gergas he text me on he said, could grasp him so happy for he got done. Here's a guy that's struggling like hell to get into tournaments, make cuts. You know, this is how he played. He played tour fifteen years. I think to talk at this

ship about him, No, not at least nobody. They don't care there, right, now the tour it cares about their cash, cows, Wo's, other Mcaroys and Shuffler's and Thomas and you know. And that's fine. But if you're not in that sixth year the p I P and they don't give a damn about you, I promise you to where where do you think lives next year? At this time? Do you think do you see a TV deal in the future? Do

you see more players? I mean Greg Norman just came out yesterday and said that they're they're identifying more players that they'd like to sign up. Do you think that people are going to be surprised in November of um at where live is relative to where it is now or do you think that people will be saying, see, I told you so, I told you it wouldn't work. I told you that it wasn't gonna be what it

was gonna be. It's gonna work. It's gonna work because one they have the cash and credit target lights out. The tour doesn't. The tour is banking on all their sponsors. They had to go this route. They had to go to these elevated events and make whether they say not, they're they're not forcing their players to play. But they are because these sponsors that the tour have are not going to continue to write these huge as checks if

those players don't show up. The great thing about lives, you know, you know roughly when we get there are new players coming, and there's some there's some good names coming that all foury of those guys are gonna play all fourteen weeks. That's guaranteed. So and then on again, the tour copied that that model of an elevated event twenty million nothing. They copied the whole thing. All this money's coming out p I p O. It's some the craft care to. It's just a directly said it's a

direct copy of what they lived in. They of course they they copy that. But I think they're either gonna make a TV station or they're gonna get on. But they're gonna get TV because there's always only people gonna do around and going brow. We've got we've got this event going on which has one major winner, the PGA Tour. Well you've got this event over here that's got fifteen major winners. Then they're not on TV. We've got to

get this on TV. It's gonna happen. And three you gotta know the Live group, they're so far ahead of what they thought they were gonna be after eight events, you know, with Phil stupid comments in February and all that stuff, and then people getting kind of scared, you know, then everybody's signing, and then what happened after this eight events has been unbelievable. And I don't see him slow down,

you know, the you know yaster and margin. They are so excited about where they're at and going forward, and they know they have this vision of you know, the Formula one model that's going to take place now, the team aspect is gonna start on next year. I think by the end of twenty three, I think this thing is just flying. Do you think that in ten years will look back at this as being bad for golf,

for professional golf or good for professional golf. What's bad about it is that they could have joined with the PGA Tour. That's what That's the bad thing. I think in the end, that's where the decision was gonna It was bad. I think the fact that you didn't even meet, you didn't take the phone call again, you just shoot him away, and then they thought, oh, these guys aren't gonna leave because we're the PGA Tour. They're not gonna leave us. We're the big dog. No one's leaving us.

The money doesn't matter. Okay, well that was obviously false. I think I really don't know. In ten years, I don't know what, you know, whether it's gonna be good or bad. It could be a little bit of both. I think that's unfortunate that you know that, you know, we've taken so much ship over the last five months, and the people are just mad because they're mad for whatever reason, you know, if they think everybody's overpaid, and you know, you know, it's the money aspect of it.

For me is it's so interesting to watch people talk about that fixate on Hunt. But the football stadiums in the NFL are filled baseball stadiums. People go watch basketball, people go watch They're now paying college athletes, UM, the colleges in in in America. You know, the money that Alabama brings in for amateur football, not even professional football.

And nobody has any problem with any of that. And so and then obviously Tiger Woods coming out and talking about, you know, where is the incentive to have to practice and play with guaranteed money? UM? That's the stupidest server heard my life, because that as one of the stupidest things I think he has said. The incentive is the fact that last place is a d thousand, first places four billion. He cannot win four million on the PGA Tour. Next year, you might will they finally up the purse.

But last time I checked, he's signed a forty million dollar deal right at a college was flying on the Nike jet he found in senator to go. He could have shut it down right then. He did. He did pretty good with all the guarantees up front. He had a lot of guarantees, you know what, and he was the hottest thing. He's made so much money off the course. He found it and sent him to go. But again

he only played how many tournaments he didn't go? I never saw him John Dear never saw him, you know, supporting all these events that you know, he played the majors. By the w G season, that was it. He played Tori never played Riff. You know. It's like, but he's worth every time. In fact, I guess that he's two billions short of where he should be. I think for guys changed the game first phenomenals. He was you know, and the best part, but you'll never see another guy Kim.

And the same thing is, you'll never see another guy like Phil. There's nobody playing the game today that we'll have forty six wins as great as Wordy is. Do you think he's gonna win twenty two more times or whatever the hell it is? Four? No, I don't see it. He's gonna catchman majors. Rory should have fifteen majors by now. You know, that's how phenomenal he is. I mean, he's the best driver in the ball I've ever seen it. Ye,

you know, but maybe he's gonna happen. But yeah, this is like this has also been like a rebirth for him because he's been so mad, right, he's so mad at what happened and this and that, And he wins the FedEx, he wins Congrete's number one in the world. Again, I think Roy's got a whole different drive on what's going on. He could be number one for who knows

how long. I mean, that's how phenomenal he is. But again, I you're just not You're not gonna see those kind of players because the incentive, the incentive, the fact that you can go from like second place or eight teams places have a great Sunday and go from making two grand a four million. You cannot do that anywhere. So that's the incentive. I mean, you've been out there. You

were out there every week like I was. You see people, guys are everyone's grinding as hard as they ever have in their lifetime because not even that you can go from making a hundred sixty grand to like one million. It's very hard to do on the PGA Tour. Listen, listen. I mean the money argument. Um, you know, the PGA Tour and j and a lot of people have leaned into trophies and legacy and all of that and majors.

But you and I both know that as soon as you win a major championship, right obviously as a player, it two huge, huge, I mean, it's it's amazing. But you also know that that's going to allow your agent for the next five years to bring in a lot

of money. People that played all over the world always wanted to come to the PGA Tour because you knew that if you played on the PGA Tour, yes you'd have an opportunity to win memorial, Yes you'd have an opportunity to play it toy all of the iconic golf courses. But at the end of the day, you know that you win five times in Asia, five times on the European Tour, five times in South Africa, you and five times on the US Tour, on the PGA Tour. You know, financially,

there is a massive, massive reward for that. Yeah. I asked the player after he won the US Open. I said, you know, what do you think that was worth? He told me the numbers. So yeah, that's that's gotta be nice, you know, because it's worth back. So I go, man, that's that's nice. That takes care of you forever. You know. But but you know, you talk about theyone talks about legacy and all of sudden crap. I mean, it's it's

such a joke. I mean, right now, there's there's two guys that are, you know, Hall of Fame legacy guys, and you know one one doesn't play and one's on our tour, and you know the other guys are working that way. There's there's top players that are working that way, but they gotta win a certain amount of majors before they really considered the people consider them you know, in the argument of top ten or you know, all time players, and a lot of them just aren't there yet, but

a lot of them think they are. There's a lot of tour players out to I think they are unbelievable with three or four wins and no major because they're making so much money that they think that they're better than you know, the players of the past who won ten to twenty times. You mentioned the team element of this. UM. You've basically played every single practice round UM since June with Dustin Johnson. UM, you warm up next to him.

You've probably spent as much time around DJ as anybody UM, as a golfer, as someone that is trying to do the same thing that he's doing. UM, how cool has that been? And to watch him and the way he plays, and and to watch up close pat the way that I mean, if you could design a golfer both physically but mentally, the way that he plays the game is so much fun to watch its way. But he's got Yeah, it is, It has been. It has been really funny.

I got done TJ a lot of the last couple of years, you know, when coming closer, but then they haven't, you know, he wanted me to his team and to spend as much time as I have. Honest, like you said, it's unbelible with his prep work and the things nothing bothers him, and his routines he does, and the way he looks at things. Nothing negative ever comes out of his mouth. And to watch him hit the driver and hit these long irons and hit these shots like man,

you can see why he's been so dominant. You know why he is such a phenomenal player. Can't toamny six four strongs and ox his hands and you know, like a vice. He's just he's flexible, he's I mean, it's just he's unbelievable to watch playing and uh, it's so cool. And you know that, you know, he's still one of the best players in the game. I don't care what stats they or with none of that crap. I put

him against anybody that's playing right now. You know, he just took down you know, he just I would put him against anybody's playing the game right now. And the other thing that I don't think DJ and I say this all the time and people think I'm crazy. Um, I don't think DJ gets enough credit. He's the ultimate field player. And you just don't think of him as being a field type guy. Now he wants the greens.

He wants the greens as fast as possible. You know, if you look at whose one Augusta and the U s open too fast as you can possibly play, you know. And he loves act. He likes to drip them down and just drip him in. I'm the opposite like to you know, like the Bank of Man. That's why I never played well and you know anywhere. But you know,

he is, he is unbelievable. His routine is the way he does things every day, his focus, you know, he does his workouts, he hits his wedges for forty five minutes and then he gets in and it's an all day affair for him. And here's a guy that signed for a ton of cash up fun and you know he made a made a ton on the course. When's the individual And still Brian's like he's trying to get his tour card for the first time. Yeah, I mean, it's it's been, it's been. Interested Back to incent of

what's the incentive. The incentive is that you can actually know and because it doesn't out of money, incentive is that you can make, you know, I mean you look at you look at what you know. DJ made, you know, eighteen million on the individual, another seventeen on the course and in that eight weeks there's plenty of the center there. You can say it's not about the mind money that

it is there. It's there. Yeah. And the one thing I find about golf is is there is this kind of weird thing that you know, you hear stories all the time about a guy that you know had to you know, sleeping in his car and was working it, you know, Walmart to try and you know, pay to go to Q school and stuff like that, and you know, you know, sleeping you know, on his parents couch and everybody you know, for some reason in golf everybody goes, oh man and then a great story. I'm like, no,

that's not a great story story. It's not a great story that a guy had to Basically, there's the kid that um the guy that works for us. In Dubai Su John Su John saying played on the Asian Tour. He teaches for for me now at my academy in Dubai. He played the Asian Tour. He was a really good player still is. He came to the live event Saudi Arabia and was walking around the practice grounds and he said, man, I missed this so much, you know, playing professional golf.

I just ran out of money. I didn't have enough money to continue to play. And we hear stories like that Pat all the time and in golf, and everybody goes, oh, man, what a great story. It's not a great story. It's not a great story. You shouldn't have to mortgage your house and sell your car to go to Q school. You know that. That's and that is the biggest I can't believe they got rid of Custa anyway. For the tour. The tour is making so much money on that. You know,

when I wanted was fifty grand first place. Ten thousand Africans paying five grand? What the hell are that money going? Where's all that money going? But you know, I hear all the time like but I can never figure out. And this is why people get so pissed about the money things with guys taking money, and that's a For some reason, it's become the norm that golfers are supposed to absolutely earn every penny that they make, and if

they don't play well, they don't get paid. Welcome. The Lakers started off holding five and all those guys are making three to five hundred thousand a night, and it's like going over going over seven. That spens basketball though there. Yeah, they're guaranteed money. I don't understand why the golfer is supposed to be on such the struggle bus for so long, and there's so many more guys that are not making money than there are guys on top making a ton

of breath. And all they've done now the tour, all they've done is just separate the fact of here's a bunch of guys who are gonna make a shipload of cash, and you guys are gonna make fucking you know, a millimeter more cash. That's it, So good luck to you all. I just don't get it. I don't understand why, oh man, that last pot cost him seventy grand he missed it. Yeah, guy finger all the fucking lay up and missed it.

The cost the damn thing. He got on the fucking he went and had He went and had fucking steak, got on the private plane drinking dom sham, flew to the writs of the next city. No problem. The other guy, he fucking you know, missed the cut, he gets back on, goes southwest, fucking see sixty eight, you know, gets on, free bag of peanuts, half a drink. I mean, it's I don't understand why this struggle they said, Oh, we respected so much more. I know you don't, but you don't.

You fucking love that story because you watch the guy that's actually struggling. You loved the people love to see a struggle. That's wyeah. And then then the other thing that I think you know that we talked about it, that's different. You know, the struggling part of it. You know,

you've got all the counties that you know from. You know that have You know, in my opinion, you know, one of the hardest jobs anybody thinks carrying that golf bag around, you know, walking you know all the holes you guys walk, but you had caddies when they were still on the PGA tour. You these are grown men with families trying to put trying to share an airbnb and rent one car and all of this because they've just got to try and find some way to limit

the amount of call set. There isn't a company that you can work for that if they send you to another city. If you're a salesman and they send you in another city, you don't pay for that of the company. That No, But it's also like, oh, this struggle is what builds character, makes you appreciate it, and this is what builds you in your career. Fucking Tiger signed forty million rather the gate floated on on a private plane.

He's okay without the struggle. He didn't struggle, right, guy became a superstar overnight and just escalate it all the way to the top of the top, never looked back. Okay. He didn't struggle phills the same way Phil want a tournament as an amateur. He didn't struggle sign who knows whatever the hell he signed out of college boom all the way to the top. So it's not about it's

not always the struggle. Oh, it builds character, you know, driving like me and ate struggle for twenty three weeks on the Buy dot Com tour the world, fucking twenty three weeks NonStop. It didn't build anything. It's just all we had. That's all we had. Didn't Oh my god, I missed those days and funk that idea, you Kidney, But I miss any of that ship that was fucking miserable. Last time I'm drinking. Last I had seven thousand dollars with a wine in the fucking brisket. Now that's the

ship I want to do. Okay, that's what I want to do, not fucking drive twenty three weeks across the tour. I built character. No, I didn't build ship. Did did h your caddy winning the closest to the hole at Sawgrass? Did that build? You gotta tell this story. This is a great this beauty this year. This is two that other fifteen island hold of TPC. This is the epitome of the fucking PJ tour. This is the saddest thing I've ever heard in my life. And I was so

fu kissed. I'm still mad about it. So every year, you know, on seventeen, there's a box out there is the Bruce Edwards you know box they don't need money to cancer and great and that's you know, it's wonderful you put money in this box. And then at the end the caddy players, all the players put in mind there was a two one dollar and I got a good idea put the one dollar. And I'm not gonna say his main bell. But anyway, so agent to the three feet seven inches a funk. I'm going crazy. This

is fucking awesome. It's towards the end of the day. You know, win wins, I'm going crazy. Is phenomenal. Well, come weeks ago, bock, guys, I forgot to ask the tour and then the tour matches that right, yeah, no, but this is yeah, this is the only thing because I'm asking a couple weekstad. I go, hey, I said, you know, what do you do with the cash? It's good ages, real, you know, kind of straight. Lace doesn't really wouldn't really say anything. I said, we didn't do

it all that fun cash. It wasn't cash I got. I got a check in the mail at ut So what the fund are you talking about? Who's cash in that box? Yeah? You know, I found out the tour they mastered, they doubled it, and they gave it to charity and wrote this big story that they matched the six you know, they put sixteen th four hundred and two dollars and they wrote and then they got to write it off. But I had to pay tax on. I go, you're fucking kidney. I got on the phone.

I called any pastor, and I wore his fucking ass out. I said, you guys are the biggest chicken dick motherfucker's I've had in my life. I said, you fucking took our cash and gave him a check and made him pay tax on our cash. And you wrote this big fucking story about how you're giving sixteen down four hundred dollars to the Bruce Edwards cancer deal making yours to flickery sad. Why don't you put the whole story of there.

You took our cast, which is basically a hundred dollars that my hunter became twenty, and then you made the caddy pay tax on that to help you're not your tax exempt status, to help yourself. I mean, I've sucking one of these guys out. I was so pissed about it. And then every year I kept telling players, don't put money in that box, just give them give the hundred dollars to the caddy when you see him. It got so bad that this year there's a credit card machine.

Now there's no more box. That players kept they quit doing it, and they the ladies name is Kathy, she goes you gotta put your credit cards. I'm not putting the fucking thing in that deal. I said, I'm gonna get it. No, no, you you have to. This is how we do it, I said, Cathy, I know the scam. This goes back to one of the biggest scams I've ever seen, you know. But funny enough, I'm not surprised at the tour. This is how they do it. So now you're supposed to put a credit card in so

that they can do it that way. I'm like, you fucking chicken dick bastards. I have never even hard of something like this, and you guys have pulled it off for how many years now? Lastly, Pott obviously, um, you know you've mentioned that more than likely your PGA tour career is over. Um, were there any courses? This is a legit question because I know there are courses that you won't miss, right, and I know what they are, exactly what those courses are. Are there courses and tournaments

that that that you're going to miss. I'm gonna miss Tory because I grew up there. I'm gonna miss riv because I think it's one of the greatest courses in all American And really, other than that, you know that's all, I got in a gust every year, so I'm not gonna miss that one. I would love to play there again, but um, you know that that's that's kind of it, you know, Ribs Ribs one. I'm gonna miss this year, sure as I'm gonna miss this TBC Scottsdale. Um, you

know my Coba this week. I'm kind of sad to wonder a couple years I've I'd love to play there, but you know there's there's not too many I'm gonna mess not too more at all. Um, congratulations. I mean a lot of people. And I can say that because I know, you know, I get crushed at any time I say anything positive about anybody on Live. But I've seen you put in the work, and um, you know, I'm excited to see what happens in three What are you gonna do? This is the other thing. You now

have three months off? Right, lives got three months off. We just saw Rory McElroy after winning at Congaree, going back to number one in the world, and his press conference say golfers need a break. You're actually the guys on Live are actually going to get a real break now. Um, probably the first time in your professional life that you get time three months. Um, it's been about yeah, it's been six what what what are the plans for the three months? Well, I'm gonna drink this week, Uh, celebrate

our win. It's fucking call that side. So I'm not going outside either. But I do have to get I got a lot of things to do that which I haven't a bill to do forever. I've got I gotta organize so much ship. I've got three massive storage you know. It's I got all these goddamn shoes. I gotta organized. I'm you know, I'm gonna spend time with the kids. Um, you know, Ashley, I'm gonna you know, continue to do peloton and probably try to work out some you know, I get a program and and you know in place.

But really I've got until February, you know, but it warms up. I've got a couple of member guests. I'm looking forward to playing. I'm looking in a Vegas a couple of times. Uh you know. But about in mid December, I'll really started hitting hard again and working on my game and and you know, get stronger, and I'm really excited for next year. Like I said, I can't wait to get going. And but you know, I'm gonna take

all of November. I'm not gonna do anything. I'm gonna I'm gonna hang out and relaxed, and you know, I work out, but I'm not I'm not gonna play golf. Um, but you know, so I want to come back when I when I started in December, I'm gonna be real fresh, really excited to play. And I got a month and a half to really work hard out and get ready

for for the Aces next year. Well, I'm looking forward to you, um continuing to play good and uh, continuing to make the haters hate more, because um, you know I still I still believe you've got a lot of good golf left. Yeah. I love the fans, love the haters more. I love them because they get so mad. But it ain't changing my bank account. So thanks for

talking to us. We got so that was Pat Perez And as I said in the opening, um you know which you know what you're going to get from Pat, and um, listen, I think this whole thing for all the players involved, both on the PGA Tour side and the live side, it's personal for them, right. Um, the golf land state, whether you like it, whether you don't like it. Um, the golf landscape has changed, and UM, I'm excited to get the word out about what's going on,

you know, in the game of golf in instruction. UM, I think it would be a disservice to the listeners, all of you listening, if I didn't get people on that are playing on Live, and I'm going to continue to try and get their opinions. I'm going to continue to try and get opinions and talk to everybody involved in the game of golf. So, like I said in the beginning, if that changed your mind about pat and the way you feel about Live, cool. If it didn't,

that's cool too. I mean I don't think really, I mean, I honestly think at this point, UM, the line has been drawn and stand people are in the trenches, and whatever trench you're in, I'm cool with that. And for whatever reason you're in that trench with the PGA Tour, if you're on the live side, I'm good with that too.

But UM, I do think that the people involved in professional golf, the people playing, the people that stayed with the PGA Tour, the people that have chosen to go with Live, they all have their reasons, they all have their stories, and hopefully I can get those stories out and get those voices out so everybody can kind of make up their own opinions and stuff like that. But UM, I spend an enormous amount of time with Pat um and listen. I like him. Um, he's a reverend, he's crazy.

I don't agree with everything he says, but um, you know what you're gonna get. And if you want an opinion on a subject, UM, he's one to talk to. So I'm glad I talked to him, um and UM. I thought it was great. I thought he had a lot to say and UM, you know, we'll see where

the chips fall. But um, thanks everyone for listening. I think out of all the episodes, um, that we've done, given the current landscape of where we are in two professional golf, Um, if you've got people that are interested in golf, if you've got people that are, you know, talking about what's going on on the PGA tour, what's going on on live and stuff. If they don't know about the podcast, tell them to listen to this episode. And UM, I think they will get something out of it.

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