It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest Matthew Pavon, the Frenchman, just got his first win on the PGA Tour. He's one of those players that got into the PGA Tour off of the dp World Tour last year. He's pretty much played the majority of his career in Europe. But a very very big win for him and a win that I think could set him.
Up for some really really good things.
He's got a legit chance to make the Tour Championship now, we've got a Ryder Cup in a couple of years, so playing on the PGA Tour full time now he's exempt, he's into all the majors, he's into all the designated events.
And it was a really really.
Big win out at the Farmers on a tough golf course and a really cool talk with I think a player that's got a pretty high ceiling confidence is such a huge thing in golf, and I think he's going to take a lot of confidence into the rest of the year.
Already got a win early and.
He's basically playing with house money and we're gonna see what he can do in twenty twenty four, but a really cool interview. So sit back and enjoy listening to Matthew Pavon. So, Matthew, the obvious question is if we went back to February of twenty twenty three and I told you that in February twenty twenty four, you will be twenty six in the world, you'd be playing full time on the PGA Tour, you would already be a winner on the PGA Tour, and you'd be inside the
top thirty in the official World Golf rankings. Would you have believed that all of that could happen in such a short period of time.
In the short period No, to be fair, I always played my career step one step at a time. I know where I come from. I know I wasn't the most talented and most gifted gopher in the world. I had to build my career slowly. But yeah, those ones were my goal. So I dreamed of it, and I was ready to catch these momentums. But that quick, you know, it's it's just un but a little.
The jump from DP World Tour playing in Europe and you are. One of the things I like about your career is you are a product of I still call it the European You're a product of the European Tour. You played the Alps Tour, you played the Challenge Tour, and then you got to the Big Tour, and now you've made the jump to the pinnacle of what everybody starts out wanting to do, which is play on the
PGA Tour. How has it been different and how has it not been different than playing your full time in Europe.
Yeah, I think I'll only play full tournaments. Two of them were pro ams and one was in Hawaii, so I can't say I have like the proper taste of the PGA Tour best. But no, I think what was key for me is to keep doing what I was
doing last year. I think people my change sometimes and get lost of it, and me me, I just tried to do the same thing to see where my game could bring me, if my game was good enough for the PGA Tour, and obviously, like there's the first few weeks show me that my game is probably good enough to play here follow time.
I mean we're always, as instructors and coaches were always trying to tell players whatever level they're playing at, that's bigger than the one that they were just on that. At the end of the day, it's still just golf. The stage is just bigger, the prize fund is bigger. There might be more good players, but everybody is. Whether you're playing on the Alps Tour or you're playing on
the PGA Tour, the object and the game. They don't change the rules of the game once you get to the PGA Tour, right, It's not like, Okay, now I've got my PGA Tour card. Now the game has completely changed and now there's a new set of rules. It's the same golf that you've played your entire life. Is it hard to at times sometimes remember that because also now you're going to be in all of the designated events.
As a winner, you're going to be in all of the majors, So you are now also going to be in that You were in a winners category on the DP World, but when you're in a winners category on the PGA Tour, you're playing a lot with the best players on the planet. You're playing with Scotti Scheffler, you're playing with Rory McElroy, You're playing with all of the superstars. So has it been in an adjustment and a learning curve. I know we're only four tournaments in, but there are
people like yourself, Matthew. You've won your first PGA Tour event, in your fourth event on tour. There are rookies that have missed their first four cuts and are thinking, Okay, am I good enough to be out here? What's the comfort level that you've found so far and how do you think you can keep that going over the course of the rest of the year.
Yeah, I think we built a nice and the solid house, let's say. Or talking about my swing and the last few years, I had to change something technically with my coach made me better. I moved the ball left to right and I'm really confident about it. So I think the structure we build this is pretty nice. So I have I have no nothing in my head when I play. I'm pretty confident on what I have to do, the way I have to practice. Everything is pretty clear clear.
I think for me, what was the biggest thing is to build a project around me, a path to the elite golf course, to the elite players in the world, and just follow follow that path. After every week, every every month, every year, we try to get better. But I always trying to have an objective look on my performance and see where I can I can improve and where I can be better, but not making like a revolution of something in my swing is just a slight
evolutions every time. Like I was saying earlier to to young guys, I was double chipping too much when I was shortsighted, I was trying to be too cute and just passing this flag and giving me more opportunities to make a putt instead of chipping again made me make me one few few points on the golf course. And depending where you are when you are on the on the leader board in the tournament, it can make a
massive difference on the season. To be fair, I am again today with you at Florida's with my putting coach also, and yeah, this is for me. This is where I'm I worked the most the last the last two years, putting has been pretty big. I was losing point on the green and now I think for the first four tournaments I'm like in the top five of the pgs or so. It's a big change.
The changes that you've made to your putting, have they been technical, have they been green reading, Have they been a mental shift in the way you're doing it or is it a combination of the three.
I think it is a slight combination. We have. We haven't changed my padding stroke. My coach, Youan Carson, is really on. Like we checked that the ball starts online with very very simple I use the tutor with like the two metal balls, and then we we check the aims really important. So every when everything is dial in with aims and ball start, we compete like we have so many games in terms of speed of green reading
of shot puts and light puts. So it's a it's a mix of all these great drills, and I think it's great because there are so many one of them that you have to hold the put to finish the drill and it puts you that little extra pressure because you don't want to restart, and it's always good to to to get close to those pressure moments that you find on the on the on the golf course.
You mentioned aiming.
I think that is something that I think so many players that aren't great putters, they're thinking about a lot of things, right, they're working on a lot of things, but the way that they aim, and I think once you start working on trying to aim the putter consistently, you realize how quickly you can get off and how much that can affect what's going on.
Yeah, that's true. I mean I took a week off after Pebble, not practicing and during time with family, and then I come back on the putting ring first day with my coach, and then we saw that my lines. My lines were terrible. I was aiming like one time left, one time right. That was terrible. And after two three days getting back to the basics on the drills we do for for alignments, you get banks right away. So yeah,
I think it is key. I mean, if you're hundred percent sure that you aim where you want the ball to start, and then keep building confidence on that ball start. I think it's simple things which you create a lot of consistency into putting.
You mentioned you changed shape from hitting more of a draw to hitting it a little bit more left to right, which is a little bit more of a fade. What was the reason behind that choice.
Yeah, so I wasn't really a draw. I was also a fathe player, but I was missing a lot left, so I had to destructive double cross that nobody likes and pull it and then you've all end up into hazards and stuff. So I always I always played. I always put myself into like what makes me confident on
the golf course. So me every time I missed right, I'm very confident about when I see my ball curving too much, It's good because then I know every time I'm going to end left or to albi or a short side pin, I know my ball if I missed the show is going to go too much right and on the open side. So this is what we changed with my Jamie. On a technical point, I was like a little bit like my elbow was out and my club was crossed and now is kind of in front
of me and and off with an open face. So that really had me to swing the clement left and get that get that curve backed and very consistent.
You come from a sporting family.
Your father was a professional footballer soccer player for the Americans, and your mother is a golf instructor.
How important was.
The the background having a father that was a professional athlete and then also having a mother that is involved in looking at golf swings and helping players get better.
Yeah, I'm very lucky. I think we I was born and raised into a family and the sports. Yeah, sports childhood. Let's say it was all about sport. I love every single sport I watched at and since I was kid, I dreamed about my dad when I when I was seeing him playing on the pitch, I was like, this is this is incredible. They always have been very supportive
to me, very positive. I think that's key. When you raise your your your son and your your daughter with a lot of love and a lot of positivities, it really helps. They never been really intrusive with me in my career. They let me, let me makee some of the mistakes I could have done. And also when I'm doing great things, they never step in. They're really on my side and they're just trying to push me as much as I can. But with as I said, a lot of love and positivity, which is I think pretty big.
For me coming from France. I mean there is a there is a long history of some very very good French golfers. I think unfortunately, the French golfer that people know the most just Sean Vandervelt for everything that happened at the Open it at Carnousti. But Thomas LaVey, I know has been a mentor of yours. I mean a lot of people don't forget. I mean Thomas LaVey was part of that playoff where Ernie Els won the Open Championship at Mirfield, Thomas played on a Ryder Cup.
I mean Thomas had a very very good career.
One of the guys that I always was surprised that didn't do better when I was on the European Tour back in the day, Raphael Jacqueline.
I mean Raphael had a.
Beautiful golf swing, right, I mean he really hit the golf ball well. Gregory Havevrey made some big strides and played good one year at the US Open. Coming from France, which a lot of people don't see is necessarily a massive, massive golf country, do you feel like this is an opportunity for you, because I think it's always important. Everybody, I think is a young golfer, their idols are tiger Woods,
the greats of the games. But I think it's very important for people that are from countries to be able to have role models that you can say, listen, I'm from Bordeaux, Matthews from Borer. He made it to the PGA Tour. That's a role model that I can touch and feel because he lives the same kind of life that I live, but the same type of upbringing. What role do you feel like this win for you? I
mean it's the first win they count. There was a French person that won the Open Championship, which messages yeah, nineteen o seven is the last time someone from France won a tournament on the PGA Tour. I mean, that's a huge feather in your cap. But it's also I'm sure a responsibility for you now to say, listen, I can now fly the flag for French Cup. We're going into an Olympic year. I mean, you now have a
legit chance to represent your country for the Olympics. It's got to just be an amazing time in your life right now.
Yeah, it is really exciting. I mean I think it is. I would love to do this represent my country, not only for Olympics, but trying to get the best out of me and that some young people in friends can look at me as a I don't consider myself yet as one of those big champs, but yeah, if I can be a motto for them, like someone they dream about and they want to achieve the same thing that I do or even better, that would be fantastic for me.
I think we had Tony Parker in basketball, and we saw many great basketball player from front they came to America and they succeed. So yeah, I think we have a lot of talented guy. Maybe fourteen players right now on DPR two, which is pretty big for a nation which is I think not a very golf nation for now, but it is big. I mean after it's just about creating the opportunity to come play here in America and
try to do your best. But I think we have a very nice young generation and if I can be like a model for them, it's I'll do it with pleasure and I will try to help the young guys in France as much as kin forshure.
You took advantage of the partnership between the PGA Tour and the europe and the DP World Tour to where now ten of the top players from DP World now then get PGA Tour cards.
There are a lot of.
People that that that think that's really good. There are people that look at you could look at that is the European the DP World Tour is going to have their ten best players go to the PGA Tour, the role that the European Tour, the European Tour played in your development. Now that you're playing full time on the PGA Tour, now that you will be in all the designated events, you'll be in all the majors, how much do you want to continue to support the dp World Tour in future?
Yeah, I mean for me, it's a it's a dream to come in America and play. I've dreamed about it's since so many years. This is where I'm going to say so with my family. This is where I want to compete the most because the best player in the world I are here, no doubt. But I love the European Tour. I had some fantastic years seven years over there. I want them once in Spain, and it is a nice tour. Things maybe can be done a little bit better compared to PGA Tour, which is for me, a
massive organization. But I love the tour. I love where I come from and I never forget that. So definitely in my schedule, I have some spaces open and available for some of the tournament there, and I will keep going back to Europe to to compete at some points every year for sure.
The other massive thing for you, Matthew is from a Ryder Cup standpoint, it's a hell of a lot easier to play good in the US on the PGA Tour and make a European.
Ryder Cup team. That is that is a that is a massive opportunity.
Not to say that it works out because you could come out, but having one already on the PGA Tour, you know that if you just playing halfway decent over the next two years, you are going to have a legit chance to represent Europe at Bethpage Black for the European Ryder Cup team has the Ryder Cup and having an opportunity to play on one of those for Europe. Has that been a goal of yours as well?
Yes, So it is not a goal that I set up like this year or the years before. It's like, let's say a lifetime goal, I think, because.
I don't think. My point is it's if you're not one of the.
Big superstars in European golf, it's hard to make a Ryder Cup team, right. There's a lot we saw that this year. There's a lot that goes into it at the back end when the picks come out they tend to look at guys that are playing in the US. Adrian moronc is a great example. I mean Adrian it is he's probably won four times in the last eighteen months.
He won a DP World tournament at Marcos Simoni where the Ryder Cup was, and they went with guys at one had been on Ryder Cups before, but they pretty much went with people that were playing on the PGA Tour.
True.
So for you, now you're going to be in all of these events, you're exempt for two years. This gives you now an opportunity. Even in February of twenty twenty four, you can say, Okay, this can now become a real, real goal. This isn't a lifetime goal that everybody that plays golf that is a pro in Europe says, yeah, one day, I'd really love to play on a Ryder Cup. And you and I both know the majority of people that say that will never even.
Have the opportunities.
You now have a legit chance to By the end of this year, you could basically solidify your position on the Ryder Cup team. By the end of twenty four and twenty five, you're just basically get measured for the close because you already know you're gonna be on the flight over.
Yeah, that would be amazing. As I say, it's a lifetime goal, which is kind of changed right now. No, I think it's just that the PGA to give give you more values. As we said, we compete every week against the best player in the world. And I think
mister Lucdonald is looking closely at this. I think for sure, when you have only on some of the deeper world Tour even generally have maybe five six guys playing which are the top hundred in the world on every tournament, is not good enough to see if you can compete as in a high level golf tournament with a lot of good players and a lot of pressure, you know. So yeah, it makes the PGA to has more value. It makes you more legit. Let's say, if you have
good results here for sure one hundred percent. And I mean the captains they've played in both in Europe in America, so they know what they are doing. So if they kind of tends to set someone who plays more in America and who plays good over there, I think it's for a reason. And yeah, for sure a Ryder Cup could be could be big for me. I dreamed about it so many times, but now I like to set up goals which are like in front of me, not
too far away. So if I just keep getting a little bit better a person better every every month and every every year, great things will happen.
I mean this, I mean we're always looking at the start of the year. As coaches.
We're always saying, Okay, you've got the West Coast swing, and then you'll have the Florida Swing, and the guys that get out to a really good start on the West Coast, you know, those are the ones that again you're looking. It's hard not to look forward. But you're currently leading the FedEx Cup. You win in San Diego, you go to Pebble Beach, it's rain shortened, Okay, you finish third.
Again, we're five six weeks in.
By the time we get to Florida, there's probably going to be a good chance that you're still going to be leading the FedEx.
So my point behind that is, just.
Like the Ryder Cup conversation, you get off to a fast start, how have you had to adjust and how are you going to manage your expectations? Because when you teed it up in Hawaii, your expectations on what you thought twenty four was going to be like are a hell of a lot different than what your expectation now because now, yeah you want to win. Yeah you want to play in all the majors. Yeah you want to contend in majors. Those are all dreams and goals and
things you want. But the dream has become reality. You're now in every golf tournament for the next two years. That really matters, right, You're in all the majors. And you know, Matthew that confidence is so important. I always say this on the podcast. Brooks has won five majors. Everyone asks them which is the hardest to win. He says, the hardest one to win is the first one, because after that you kind of.
Know what to expect. Do you feel like now when you get.
Into contention having one, Yes, you've won in Europe before. Yes you won in the Challenge Tour in the app store. There's a big difference between winning and then winning on the future, and then the other thing is on one of the hardest golf courses, on one of the best golf courses they have on the PGA Tour. Tiger's won their a trillion times John Rams won majors there Tigers won a major. That I mean, some of the best players in professional golf have won on a really difficult
golf course. That has to give you tremendous confidence moving forward.
Yeah, exactly. And the most important for me gives confidence on my work, like what we put in to work with my physical coach, with my putting coach, with my technical coach, with everybody in my team. It is a big reworld when you win, because it shows that what you've done in the past, it shows you that it worked. So building that confidence with my team it's even bigger for me because when we know everything is clear, we are we are working in the right direction, gives me
even more confidence. So so that was the thing after Yes, the most important is what you have between you two years. Expectations might change slightly. I'm not gonna hide it, but as I said, we have a good team. I think which is good for me is like to settle set up some nice some nice how you say, some nice goals. I'm always I'm not reading two points or like rankings and stuff. I'm all on me what I have to
do to get better every day. And yeah, by doing those small about what I have to work on and stuff like this. This is where I'm I think I will create more opportunities in the future for on maybe majors of or Rider Cup stuff.
And the other thing now is when you get your next opportunity, which you will have more opportunities this year. You know that there are going to be tournaments where you're going to be one of those four or five guys on the back nine on Sunday that are right around it. Does the mindset now go why not me again?
I mean why not me?
I mean, yeah, you've always thought that you were good enough to win, right, but until you actually do it and then you went on the PGA Tour against the best players in the world on an iconic, very tough golf course, the thought process has gotta be I can do this again.
Yeah, one hundred percent. And this is already what I felt a little bit in the tory. I said, I want one in Europe that I know how my nage, my days, my emotions. So I just tried to repeat same process and see how my process was working overseas,
and it worked. So next time, just trying to repeat the same thing but with maybe a little more confidence, and now I know that because I've done it once, I got a little bit freedom, let's say in my mind, and that maybe I could be dangerous in some of the last round this season.
Let's go back to that final round.
You were talking to some of our juniors here and the final round you started too, I think two shots back. You were in the second to last group or the last group. You're in the last group, and you have the absolute dreams start to winning your first PGA Tour event. You bogue the first hole. But I heard you say something I thought was very interesting to the juniors that
sometimes that can be a good thing. How can bogey in the first hole when you're trying, when you're two shots back and you're in the last group, and you know you're going to be playing a really difficult golf course under very difficult conditions. It's cold out there in San Diego, it's been wet, it's been raining. It's not like it's perfect conditions.
What was the mindset and why is it? Why did that help you?
Yeah, this is what I said to Mike Kelly. I said, it is not too bad to start with a bogie, because then I am already like deep in the battle, I will have to fight back. And sometimes it's better because when you start some of the rounds and you scale to me, then this is where you started making more and more mistakes. And me, I made the mistakes on the first so I was like, Okay, now we have to fight back. And so I had to play every shot very committed and very with a lot of
energy and positivity in my mind. And it really helped me. Like every time I show up on the golf course, whatever it's the first round, all the last round, I always tried to beat the golf course. I think if you get it every time all year long, you're going to do great. And that's my mindset. It's really me against the golf course more than me against the field. And yeah, bogging bugging that first aul was like, okay, is one up on me. Let's trying to chase that golf course and bit him.
At the end of the day, you followed up the bogie off the first with four more birdies on the front right. Yeah, and then you had a lot of stretches of pars. The good thing that I think you were I think what won you the golf tournament was the way that.
You played the really tough stretches a toy.
Once you make that turn, you go down and then you've got the It really starts at the par three. What's at the twelfth or the thirteenth. Yeah, and then you're going straight out to the ocean. You've got a par four that if you missed the fairway, you're making bogie, then you've got a par five.
I mean.
The great thing about Tory, and I think why everybody likes it's a little bit like Riviera.
Is you can't hide. You have to.
The golf course demands what shots you have to hit, and there are a lot of shots from the middle of the fairway. There there are a lot of shots from the t box where you just know you have to hit the fairway. It might not look penal, but you know that if you miss the fairway or if you miss a green, you're struggling to make a bogie.
Yeah, it is like this Attori. Every time you miss the fairway, you're in trouble. It's pretty much you're gonna make a bogie. So yeah, that golf course, I think it's pushing you to show the best, which is great. It's a golf course where instead of trying to keep the ball in play, you have to hit the right shot at the right time. And this is nice because sometimes on those last round when you can be stressed, you kind of hundred play. Let's say you're trying to
be too cute to keep the ball hit. Maybe the ball a little bit softer and maybe too much in the middle of the green and stuff like this, and it makes you play like so so, and that golf course really push you to hit the best shots on every opportunities. And I think this is what I like the most because I failed two times losing tournament on tough ones, and that time I was like, Okay, that's a tough one. It's going to be tough for everyone.
If you want to succeed on that golf course today, you will have to to hit some pretty good shots and you have to aim every every time you hate a shot, you would have to him to do a good shot and not like just an okay shot.
And I heard one of the things that, again I thought was really very relevant for the juniors listening. You told them that one of the differences between what you did at Tori when you won is you'd had chances to win on DP World before in the final round you were leading late and you let it slip away because maybe you were trying not to lose and trying to play too conservative. And you mentioned that the mindset on Sunday was Okay, I'm trying to win my first
PGA Tour event. I've got to go out and try and win this, win the golf tournament today, as opposed to try and go out and try and not lose. What is the difference between in your mind when you're in that mindset of Okay, I'm just trying not to hit a bad shot. I'm just trying not to get in too much trouble here, and then the difference between you say Okay, I see my target. I have a very good idea of what I'm trying to do here.
And one of the things again that you said to the juniors that I really liked you said on Sunday at Tory at the Farmers you tried to make committed golf swings.
What does that mean to you as the player?
That's key. I think when you try to not lose or not make mistake, this is where you make the most. So everything you could do is like control your process, control your mind and trying to hit the best shot every day, every time. And me that was not playing Tory as a very tough golf course because I had to hit the ball far let's say, straight and to
those great shots. If you are in the golf course which is a little bit more open, a little bit easier when everybody drops make lots of already, it could be could be very different. Like you know, it's going to be tough, and the only way you can win that trophy is like stepping in and really go get it instead of not trying to lose it. And that's that's a big difference. Mentally.
You're twenty six in the world now. When you turn pro in twenty and thirteen, you were ranked almost close almost close to one thousand.
I mean you were eight hundred and ninety in the in the world amateur rankings. So so how'd you do it?
Because there are so many players, like you said, not everybody is Rory McElroy, right, Not everybody comes out and has immediate success. We know the players that do that, but there are a lot more players Matthew, like yourself that it has been a longer journey it's been you know, I say this all the time, the ten thousand.
Hour rule, the ten year rule. I am literally.
I started working on the European Tour in two thousand and two. Trevor Wilman was the first player I worked with, and in twenty and twelve I was working with Ernie Els when he won the Open Championship. Lisab it was ten years you turned pro into twenty and thirteen and in twenty twenty four you win. So a lot of people look at that and think, oh, it's an overnight success.
They haven't seen the ten years of work that you put in. What is the one thing over.
The last decade that you've done that you think is done that has led you to this point?
Now, never let it go. I mean, it's all about work. It's all about discipline. It's not about working out for fifteen days and stop a week or two. It is it is consistency, Like if you were it's better to work a little bit every day than the very harmful fifteen days and then do whatever you want for like ten days and kind of losing go with friends and party and stuff. The thing is, I always wanted to
succeed in in my sport. I always wanted to to just become the best version of me, and uh, it is small effort that you do every day that at the end makes a really big difference compared to to to other ones. Also, I always planned myself like on a carrier point of view, something which is gonna last long and not something which has to come now or
just tomorrow. So I think this way of thinking for me, because I was not the best amateur player when I was young, took me a lot of took me away, a lot of weight and expectations, and I always felt like I had time to build that carrier. But at the same time I was working a lot for for several several years.
Is it hard when you? I mean, I think you you sound like.
You are a fairly honest evaluation of kind of yourself and your game. And I think there are a lot of players and a lot of young players out there listening. I think it's important to be honest with yourself and to say listen, Okay, I don't necessarily have some of the tools that some other players have, but that doesn't mean that I can't still have a really great career because I'm going to have to do these things because I don't have maybe the distance of someone like a
Rory McElroy. I don't maybe have the putting stroke of someone that putts lights out. So do you feel like the fact that when you turned pro that you weren't higher ranked, that you weren't turning pro with more kind of buzz and fanfare. Do you think that maybe helped you because you knew you had to work extra hard to get to that next level.
Yeah.
I always like to be the underdog because when I play with people which are better than me, I want to bid them so bad. So by wanting to to beat them so bad makes me be a better player. I work harder. I try to to to reduce that gap. And this is why I dreamed about America so much, because tomorrow, let's say, if I go on the golf course, I'm going to have like guys playing with me who want majors, who want PG Tours, who made Ryder Cups and stuff like this, and getting out there and get
my eyes kicked a lot I will enjoy. I will enjoy that a lot. I mean, when you're home and you play with young guns from your golf club and you beat them it's it's always fun, but this is not where where you learn. The learning process is failure. Like if you fail a lot, you learn a lot. And getting your house kicked is a bad feeling, but it's pretty good for my game.
Lastly, how much are you looking forward to your first real not the co sanctioned one, but when you go back to a real deep world tour event, being able to walk onto that driving range as a winner on the PGA Tour. I mean, it's gotta just go. It's going to be a really cool because you know you.
I mean, when somebody wins on the PGA Tour that plays full time in Europe, when they come back to Europe, you look at them differently and you see them differently, right, You're like, Okay, he's won in America now, I mean that that's.
That's pretty good. You're going to be one of those guys. Now.
It must be really exciting for you to think about when you go back that everybody's going to be like you made it. You you came from where we came from, and you made.
It to be. To be fair, it's it's really big for for me getting all the respect from players. Guys, they they know how how tough it is on every tournaments we've played, so every time someone comes to me and say congrats, it's it's massive for me because they know how hard it was to get there. Some of my friends on me, like in Frenzy was quite might
for a few days. Everybody was so happy for me, and I had not the chance to go back in my hometown and see all these people also back on tour and chair some moments with the other French players. So yeah, I think it's going to be pretty especial going back to Europe, and for sure we'd be later this season after the FedEx, but it would be it would be awesome time to share with them.
Well, I'm just really excited to watch kind of what you do because I really do think that this is going to be a springboard for your career. And I'm I'm going to say it now, I am going to be absolutely shocked if you are not one of the players playing against the United States in beth Page at the Ryder Cup and the next time we do it, because I think you've got the type of game to do it, and I'm excited to see what you could do.
Just going to put this out there when when you asked if if you could come up and practice, there are ulterior motives for me allowing this. You are from Bordeaux. I'm just going to put that out there. Now you are from Bordeaux. They make a good red wine. The guy on this side of the table is a fan of good red wine. So you are always welcome back anytime.
Just bring gifts.
Yeah, no problem, And next time i'd come, I will bring some good vodolad the wine and we would enjoy it together for sure.
Great to talk to you, Thanks for taking the time, Thanks to clut So really cool talk there with a player that listen. At the start of this year, you have no idea what your first year on the PGA Tour is going to be. But to get a win early, I think that is going to set Matthew up in a very very different mindset than maybe he had at the start of the year, because now he will he's a good enough player to where he will get in
contention in some more tournaments. And if you've won one before already this year, you've got to think, hey, it can be me again this week. But a cool story and one of those guys that We're going to see this right, We're going to see the top ten best players off a DP world every year get full cards on the PGA Tour, and it's going to be very
very interesting to see what those players do it. Matthew has taken massive advantage of it and really cool talk, and I'm excited to see what he does in twenty twenty four. Rate review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Son of a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.