Kevin Dillon

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She says, how do you have this photographic memory? I watch Entourage and I and I can quote it like every episode. So it's it's huge to do this. But Heaven help us. You started that in the early eighties. Um four bro, my screws a loose brother, my crew brother brother Daddy. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. I actually, uh, when I got beat by the priest. He actually the actor was my first real movie, so I actually I got my head bashed against the black boy.

I'm sorry, brother, Yeah, I'm sorry brother. He actually hit my head on the blackboard so many times that the next day they were like, we were really sorry because I came in with I was like, I got a headache, I got bumps in my head. They gave me. It was my first they called a stunt adjustment, which means they gave me like five bills and back then five all bills. To me, it was a big deal. So I was like, yeah, five hunch baby for a couple

of bumps on the head. I'll take it. Um. When you look back at that time in your life, Kevin, I mean, but the career that you've had, and I mean it started with something like that. When you're on a movie set and you're trying to be an actor and you're that young, do you have any idea what you're doing. I mean, it's got to be all completely new to you at that stage of your life. To be on a big movie set with other actors and you're you've got to do all this. It must have

been crazy. I mean, how old were you when you filmed that movie? I was like seventeen, man, I didn't know what the hell. I was done. I really did I did do. I did a couple of school plays right here in Memarnick at the Emlyn Theater. It was one school play, but I did three nights at the Emlyn Theater. I played Petruchio in The Taming and the Shrew and that kind of gave me the bug. I was like, I love the reaction I got from the audience. And that was the first and last time I've done stage.

I want to do it again sometime, but that was it. Man. As soon as I heard the laughter and the applause, I was like, I want to do this. When you were storing in your first movie. Your brother matt Um who I mean growing up, I mean I watched all of his movies, right, I mean, he was that that was he was like a like a supertar Teenbeat magazine. He was on the cover of teen Beat. He hated

being on teen Beating, Tiger Bag and all those. Uh. I was on a couple of those two, you know, but you know they to be honest with you, you know, for him, it was super embarrassing. He wanted to get out of he wanted to be taken seriously. I was happy to be like uh, get one page in there somewhere. But did you feel at any point competition with your brother, because I mean he's he's acting, you're acting. Um what was that like that that kind of that brother relationship

when you're both trying to do the same thing. You know, there was no competition because he was already I mean, Matt was a huge star when I was trying to work my way up and I was lucky to be working, and uh, I was happy to be working. But I never really really caught up to him, and I still haven't. I'd say I've definitely gotten I've gotten closer with entourage, no doubt about that. Hey, he was in you know, some cool stuff. But I mean you were in platoon

when you're you know, in your late teens, no doubt. Yeah, yeah, I would have been probably nineteen or twenty. And it was pretty cool with with Charlie Sheen, who I just did a pilot with by the way, really yeah, me and Charlie did a pilot and who knows, maybe it'll get picked up. It's called Ramblan. It's a really really cool pilot. We'll see what happens. But he's by buddy. It's kind of cool work with him that many years later, Such a great guy when you went um and shocked.

I can still remember my dad fought in Vietnam. I still remember going to see Tune with my dad. He was busy. He never talked about Vietnam as as as an experience. He couldn't talk about it. And that movie, I think for him was a really kind of changing experience for him because he saw a lot of the things that he went through. Um, did you all on that set have an idea that that was going to be such a big film? You know what? I didn't? I? Uh. Oliver Stone was cool and he let us all sit.

He invited us to the premiere after we got cast, to the premiere of a movie he did called Salvador, and we all went and we checked it out. We're like, Wow, this is a really really good movie and this script Platoon is great. I think we got a really a good chance at being a good movie. Did we know it was going to be like this legendary movie and when all those awards? I didn't know that, but uh, I do remember Tom Barranger said, Hey, guys, breathe it in,

take this in. You're never gonna get a moment like this. This is as good as it gets. We're in the Philippines, were dying, there's mosquitoes and it was disgusting. But I mean he he knew that we were onto something special and it really was. And we had a great time and uh and the movie was huge. We saw it at this he had a we had a premiere at the Zigfeld Theater and I remember right after the movie ended, the place went silent. Usually there would be applause, but

everyone was like stunned by the movie. And then it just and I was like, oh no, they hated the movie, but then both they erupped it with it. It was like unbelievable people and I was like, oh my god, they loved this movie. I mean it was really Uh, it was pretty cool. I didn't know what we had, and um, I don't think anyone really did, except for Tom Beranger. I think if you look at all the people that were in Platoon, they were a lot of

them were like yourselves. They were starting out and they've gone on to have unbelievable careers and become worldwide phenomenons as actors. Yeah, I mean some of these guys, I mean I I talked to Keith David recently. I tried to get him because I I did a movie called Buddy Games too. We did a sequel to the first

Buddy Games. It's gonna be hilarious, but I wanted Keith David in there, so I called them off and I was like, Keith, you gotta do it, and he couldn't do because he already had a couple of things set up. But um, yeah, I mean, all these guys, it's crazy how much we've all stayed in contact. John C McGinley, Johnny c who's Captain O'Neill, he's in the movie that I did in the in the pilot I did with Charlie as well. So that one's gonna be cool because

it's it's got a little bit of Entourage. We've got Kevin Connolly's in it and some of my Platoon guys, and it's directed and written by Doug Allen, who created Entourage. So we'll we'll see what happens to the pilot. If I was a betting man, i'd say, yeah, it goes, but you know a lot of pilots don't go, so we'll see what happens. I don't think people realize, you know, you know, I'm in the golf world. You're an actor,

you love golf. But I don't think people realize how hard it is to actually be an actor and say that's what you want to try and do and then actually make it. I think Entourage did an amazing job at at showing people that whole process of the kind of up and down. And I always say, I lived in l A for almost three years. It's one of

my favorite places I lived in Hollywood. I lived up in the Hollywood Hills, and I'm so glad that I lived in l A. Because when I watch Entourage and people go, oh, you know, I'm like, no, no, no,

that's it's it's really like that. I mean, I think you you guys did an unbelievable job and encapsulating kind of that Hollywood, but not in kind of the way that it was in like you know, Tim Robbin in the Player where you couldn't figure that out right, I mean, it's just too you know, that Warren Beatty era of what Hollywood was supposed to be like. But I think Nto Roge encapsulated what kind of being young and trying to make it in Hollywood is Um, you have to

have an enormous amount of fixed skin. I mean your character Johnny Drama, which to me is one of the greatest television you know, rules of all time. But that type of thing where you're the butt of a lot of jokes, but you're basically that character is trying to do what you did, just trying to make it get any part. And he did it. He did it too, by the way, because in the movie he won to a Golden Globe, which I've been nominated. I didn't win,

So Johnny Dramas actually surpassed me. But but I love the character, and it's the great thing about that shows it showed both sides of it. Not everyone's going to be Vince, you know. Um Mark Wahlberg, who this the whole show is kind of based upon. I mean, he's been blessed. Everything he touches seems to work out great and uh but and it's been been really good for his brother too. Donnie's done really well. And the Drama character wasn't really based on Donnie. Donnie has done he

Donnie's killed it himself. It's more based around Uh, he calls him his cousin. This guy Johnny Alves and but I love I've had so many actors come up to me. I feel like I'm carrying the flag for all actors who have been struggling and fighting and trying to get it done and who have been like disrespected in auditions. And they're like, I love that audition, Seed, when when you were in there, you stood up against you know, when they he was on his cell phone, he should

have been listening to you. You know. I love all those scenes are great. Um, it was really great writing, and uh, I love the cast. The other guys were great. But it really does show you what Hollywood is like, was like and will always probably be like I mean with the army stuff and you got the agents, the managers, the lawyers and you know, business managers, all these aspects of this show. We're all great. Uh. How much, Kevin, do you feel like Hollywood is hard work honing your

craft and how much of it is chance? Dumblock that that the stars aligned and you get a break and something happened. Cause I think everybody like sports thinks and I have a lot of young golfers who come to me all the time. The dad says, you'll never meet anyone that will work harder than my son or my daughter. And I'm like, that's kind of a prerequisite. You don't make it work hard if you want to be on the PGA tour. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a

little bit of both. In Hollywood, though, you have to kind of I was a little lucky to have my brother Matt, who's already a big, big names, so that kind of helped me out. But now there's you know, I got like thirty five years in the business, So I mean, you're not gonna make it past the first five if you're not good and if you don't work hard. So it's a little it's a little bit of both.

In Hollywood. You have to have a certain look for the right I mean sometimes I can't tell you how many times they said, oh, they like you, but they were gonna go in a different direction, you know. And then obviously if your calfs aren't right for the role, and of course one of the great, one of the great, now you made me do it. Here we go, Here we go. Look Look look at that implant. Huh look at that thing? Wait, wiggles around. That's a real deal

right there. That's that's that's no implant bro how much um. Right after the US opened the Tiger One in two thousand and eight, I was working I was living in l A. And my dad was working with Phil Nicholson at the time, and they shot the episode at Trump National where Phil was in the episode. It was like the Monday Tuesday after. I remember all the guys were there and stuff. Um, golf has played. I think a

huge part of Entourage. I mean, it's amazing to me was that your guy's input that we're the golfers, was that Doug was that the writers was at Mark whose idea was to put so much golf content in Entourage. Well, well, to be honest with you, that was me that made that happen because I met Phil. I was I was

a Jerry Ferrara. We were we were playing at San Diego, I think we were at the Bridge's Great Golf Course and uh, we just finished up around and we were going in to have lunch and Phil Michelson walked right by and he did the cap thing, you know, like like you know, the little cap tip. But but he he didn't more like to cover himself up, like I don't want to be recognized right now. He's walking out to his trunk, and I was like, I can't let

this go. I gotta say what's up to Phil? And I went in with my dad because my dad was a portrait is you know, he passed just a year ago, but he's a great portrait painter. He painted all the greats, you know Jack and Arnie and you know Gary Player and Phil. And so I went up and I said, hey, Phil, Kevin Dill, I just have to say hi, because he was really trying to get away. He didn't wuld not want to be right. And he went, oh my god, you got a drop. So he loved he loved the show.

So that was cool. And I said, you know my dad and he goes, yeah, yeah, And he told this great story about how when he my dad took a picture a Phil to paint him. But when he and Phil post for the for the picture and he was like, uh, my dad was like, do you want a golf club? You want to hold the golf club? He's like yeah, and they so they just grabbed any old golf club and he was a right handed golf club and he took it and he painted the right handed golf club.

And then later when my dad presented the painting to fill. My dad went, oh my god, I give you a painted you with the right handed golf club. Give it to me. I'll fix it. I'm gonna change it to a left handed club. He goes, no, no, no, no, I like it. Phil said, I like it just the way it is. I love the story behind it. Keep it right handed. I love it. And Phil told me that story. My dad had forgotten about that, and so we sat down. He's like, come join us for lunch.

We and we sat and we talked, and I didn't realize that the episode that was on the way didn't air yet, was just the one where are He says, he's collapsing like Phil at Wingfoot? So I mean, there is that big and I forgot that that didn't there and that was on its way out. But I said, Phil, we I would love to have you got to do the show? Will you do Entourage? He goes, hell, yeah, I'll definitely do Entourage. I called Dog Allen right away. I said, Dog, I got Phil Nicholson. When you right

him into the show. He goes, yeah, put them on. I put the two of Mom and the rest of this history. But when he saw that episode, he went to dog, he went like so collapsing like Philip Wingfoot. Uh, And of course Doug was like, yeah, sorry about that. You know, we didn't know what we're gonna get you as a guest spot, but when you know, we love you. And he was a really great guest. He signed every autograph, took photos of the all crew. He was the best.

I love Phil And then the episode where you take Tom Brady's club, you hit the bat shot, you break it. I mean, did you think that you would be the butt of a couple of years ago when Bryson's at the British Open, he's talking about how he doesn't like you were the meme that everybody was coming up with. They were putting Bryson's face on you beating the club up. I mean, it's amazing how you could have never envisioned that that could happen. That was hilarious. And I love Bryson.

I love what you know. What he did here at Wingfoot was amazing. I mean this place, so Bryson's great, he's a great champion for wing Foot, but they also had uh Brooks was in there too, and I got to be Brooks and so I mean both of those guys I love. But it's so funny how that carries on the you know. Um. It was one episode of many,

but it was fun. And the crazy thing about we tried to break that club so many times and they prop guys kept scoring the club and they wanted me to break it over my knee and it just looked like crap. It was like it would break like a pencil. And I was like, guys, this club would not break like this. This looks terrible, and they all agreed. I said, just let me break this. Back the camera up so you could see the whole my whole body, and I'll break this club properly. I know how to break a club,

let me tell you. So I took it. I slam it on the ground and I stepped on it and it came out like that you shape, which was perfect, and I held it up and and then there is turtle go. You broke Tom Brady's club at you asshole. It was It was great. I mean, it was an episode that was that was so fun that the plus fours, I was wearing the hat, I looked like Payne Steward. It was just it was awesome. I love golf and I got all the guys into golf. Who who's the best? Yeah,

on the cast of On, I'm the best. But I'm terrible right now. I mean I'm really I'm struggling. I didn't get to play all summer. So I actually, uh tried to get an emergency lesson yesterday and I couldn't get one because our pro was ill. And but I need a little work right now. But when I'm hitting the ball, well, I got down to a seven and uh but right now, Jerry Fer was hitting the ball really well. Kevin Connolly just joined the golf club and

he's starting to strike the ball. Everyone's into it, and I feel, you know, I got a little pride, So you know that the fact that I enter u's these guys to the game in a lot of ways. And uh, it's great. So golf is a big part of it and a big part of who we are. It was a big part of the show. And Doug Ellen loves golf too, so the creator of Entourage. Uh yeah, I just golf is me. I just love this place. I love foot I love everything about it. Let's take a quick break and we are back my dad. Um, they

used my dad's name. In an episode to where um, Jeremy Piven Ari's in in his in his office and he says the Lloyd. He's like, Lloyd, if I don't I think it was like, if I don't win the club championship, I'm gonna sue, butch Harmon's ask. So that's my claim to fame that my dad actually is entreage. I called my dad when I saw the episode. I said, hey, Dad, you know you're an entrepage. What the hell's entourage? And then and then he saw it and he was, yeah,

I like that show. And I'm like, yeah, sure, you like the show. That's great. Like the show because I used your name, you know. Uh, of course your dad was a legend around here. I've heard your dad. My dad talked about your dad many times, and I mean, I'm not your dad, but your your grandfather, and um, yeah, I mean that's it's a it's a He was a real big part of this place right here at Wingfoot. Pretty cool. It's pretty cool being in the locker room

right here. We're in the Crow's nest, so normally you're not allowed to have a cell phone anywhere near this place, so it's nice to be you know, communicating like this at Wingfoot. You know, my dad went to um Iona Prep. No way, no way. My dad also went to Iona not Prep, but he went to Iona Iona College. I read that the high school you went to Mamaroneck. Um your brother went there? Um Michael O'Keeffe who was in Caddy Shock. Yes, yes, Gabriel Russell I mean and his member,

his brother is a member here. Who would have thought all of those people who went to that high school would have gone on to have real legit careers in Hollywood. It's crazy. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. You know Westchester County, they they breed some some good athletes, some good actors out here. Did you play um junior golf, high school golf growing up? Or I didn't? You know what I'm from. I'm one of six five boys. My dad loved golf and tried to get us into it, and we were like.

It starts with my older brother Paul. I'm gonna blame him because he was like, where golf is for whimps, We don't play golf, you know. He played baseball, basketball, football, That was his attitude. And now we all play golf, and we all wish we started when my dad said, hey, come with me to the range. You know, but we didn't. You know, I didn't start until my late twenties. That's why my swing does not hold up. You know, I need a little help. I gotta come pay you visit.

We we we can definitely help you with the golf side of things. That would be good. I think most people that are going to be listening to this will be very surprised, um, that golf has been such a huge part of your life and a huge part of your family. I mean, your your father, you said he was the golfer. Did you look up to him and think, Okay, one day, when I'm older, maybe I'll get into this, like you said, because you and I are kind of

relatively you know, of that same generation. I never played a lot of golf growing up because when I was growing up, golf wasn't cool. It was old men out of shape and funny clothes. You know, there was no tiger Woods, there was no you know, it wasn't any of that. And now and now, um, you know, golf is cool. Yeah, you know what it wasn't. Well, once I got into it. My younger brothers started before me, and they he was a member at Wykey Gel Nourish Oh and Uh. We used to just go there for

the pool. So it was like, you know, we could go to the pool, we get some of those drink tickets and he eat some hotdogs and beers and jump in the pool. And then my younger brothers started playing. I guess my dad got to him. He talked one of the men to play into the father's son, and then I started kind of you know, I mean, I started playing a little bit, and then I got roped into the father's son and they called that apology golf, where you're not allowed to I kept hitting it into

the woods and I was sorry. Dad. He's like, don't apologize it. But we had I had a great time. And that's when it kind of happened. I was maybe twenty eight. I wish I started younger and uh. And then I have two daughters and I can't get it either or ment to golf. My youngest daughter's got a great golf swing, but it's like I gotta twist arm to get her to play. It's the best sport in the world. You just sometimes when you're young, you gotta

be pushed a little bit. I think you know you mentioned my grandfather who was the longtime head pro at Wingfoot. He's kind of synonymous with that, but not a lot of people know this. Um, they were, my dad said when they were younger, my grandfather, they were members at why Kagill. So my dad played in no more round. He played more rounds at why Kagill probably than he did at Wingfoot. Great story, Um, I want to say, is that the last hole that's a par five where

you've got to hit it over water? My dad said, because my dad was, you know, pretty rebellious. He said they'd be in the middle of the fairway, it'd be down wind, and he said he just pull out three wood and he and his brothers, his brother's you know, my uncle Dick, my uncle Craig, Mouncle Billy would go no, no, no,

you's got too much club. My dad said, he just he take the three would out and just hammer it because he wanted to hit the clubhouse and he'd be banging it off the clubhouse like tin cup until I get it over. East Coast is a big part of the Entourage story. Um, did you guys did was that

from Mark? Was that from Doug? Did you and I'm always interested on a show like Entourage, which is so which is so iconic, how much input as an actor were you able to put into the show and your character or was it listen, you know, this is script, you do this, you know. It was a little bit of both. The script was the script. But as the show started taking off, if I had an idea, I would, you know. That's why I felt me and Doug Ellen are really great friends. If I have an idea about something,

I could throw it to him. He might write it. So, I mean, every one of these scripts kind of came through all of us, like anyone could have said, told Doug a story about what happened in Hollywood or what happened on a golf course and all these kind of crazy things. But yeah, it was it was a little bit of both. And if I wanted to change something, I would have to pretty much have to do it in advance, don't do it on the set. He I'd have to call dog, it's a Doug, I'd like to

change that to this if that's okay. And as long as I did that, he'd be that most of the time, he'd be like a So I would uh, I'd be able to change, but he didn't really like you just going off on your own. He put a lot of thought into his words. He wanted to he wanted him said kind of the way he wrote them. That was my other question. I mean, as an actor, are there directors and people that you do movies with, but say, listen,

why don't you try and bring your own ideas? And you kind of have that license to ad lib on the fly while the cameras are rolling, And then I'm sure they're directors are like, do it this way I wrote it. It's my baby, this is the way I wanted. Yeah. I mean one thing was Doug wrote great dialogue, so I mean the tweaks were very small, if I had any. But the last movie I just did wash It's It's it's great, but it's a different kind of thing. It's more of an improv and um it was Buddy Games.

There was a Buddy Games one and it did really well, and then we just shot at the sequel Buddy Games too, and it's gonna be hilarious and it's all kind of like we're figuring it out as we go, and it was so fun to do. It really is a lot of fun. You know, you hear a lot about actors. Um. One of the things I think it's really interesting about

Entourage is um Vince's character and Ari's character. There's that scene where she he's trying to get Vince a job and somebody in the in the meeting talks about a television job. And you know, this idea that Vince was a movie star not a television store. Do you find it interesting now that that line has been so blurred because now Netflix, Hulu, it seems like a lot of the things that are great on TV, not basically old school kind of movie star stuff. A lot of the

great work is on TV now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's there's no long or a movie actor and a TV actor. Now you could do you could do both pretty much. But that was that was the way it was growing up. I did all movies, and then once I broke into TV, it was like I couldn't get a movie job because I was a TV actor. Now, so I was doing TV. Thank God, that's different now and I could work both sides of you know, doing both. But still you'll see guys like, you know, Leo DiCaprio

is not doing any TV shows. He's he's a movie star. He's gonna keep making movies and uh, but but there is a lot of crossover now and that's good. That opens things up for guys like me. You also, I mean, if you think about some of the biggest stores in Hollywood, they got their start on TV and they go on to be these mega, mega superstars. Yeah. Yeah, and then there are other guys who started the movies like me

and then moved on to TV. But yeah, it's uh, you gotta start somewhere, you know, with a with a with a show like Entourage, with the character that you played, do you ever get tired of people calling you Johnny Drama? I mean, because I mean, I mean, you're synonymous with that character. Yeah, you know what, it doesn't bother me,

It really doesn't. I take it as a compliment. And um, you know, I was called Matt Dilan's kid brother for most of my life, so I had that, and so Johnny Dramas, all right, that's something I created and I'm kind of proud of it. The Victory podcast, Um, whose idea was that? I mean, I listened to it. It's it's great to to listen the the angle of the podcast. Thank you I want to get you on by the way you get it when you come out to l A, come on by and to come pay us a visit

out there. But it was Kevin, Kevin Connolly. Uh, he was like, I got this a big thing. I'm gonna do this, not not just a podcast, but a whole studio. You know, so Action Park Studios, So he's got a whole bunch of podcasts. They'll probably try and recruit you knowing him, but he, uh, it was his idea, and it was right during the pandemic, and and it was when nobody was working. I mean, there was nothing going on, and he's like, hey, let's go. We went in. We

didn't know if any of us had COVID. I mean, it was so weird back then. We sat around the table and we did our first couple. Then we got comfortable and we had a good time, and then things started opening up a little bit. But yeah, I mean it was great to just hang out with the guys because Entourage had ended and I didn't get to see him as offen. I love these guys great. I mean

we're really really tight. So Kevin and Doug and myself and Jerry Ferrare and some of the guys w don't get to see us off, like Adrian Grenier, there's still you know, love there and I can't wait to see that. We're real tight. Jeremy Piven came on the podcast, asked, and he's got a podcast going. It's uh, it's a it's a great family. It really is the Entourage family.

We all felt watching it that there was that you were like a family on the show, and it's it's it's it's cool to hear that as the show has ended and you all have going on to do other things, that there still is that because I think that what for those of us that watched it, we we felt

like we were part of it. We felt like we were That's what I love about the show the most is how much these guys, I mean, no matter what they do or what they're up to, they care so much for each other and they would do anything for each other. The show is so l a but yet it was so New York. It was like, these guys are boys from New York and they'll do anything for each other. And that that's what's really cool about it.

It had a lot of heart and there's so many one line I mean, I have to deal with agents all the time, you know, and I say to him sometimes I'm like, dude, you're so e right now, quit being e. Like quit don't be a suit hey suit, take it easy, right, And I think that's like a really cool part of There's so many parts of that show that give people that will never have an opportunity in Hollywood. But you know, I mean the Johnny Drama,

the Victory Viking Quest, all that stuff. Um, you know, the fact that that I that people get to realize that your character wasn't on NYPD but pacifically. That was another one of my favorite specific Blue Specivic Blue. I mean, all the the jobs that Johnny Drama had are amazing. He had so many, Like his resume was massive. Did was that was that dog? Did that? Or did you go to him and say, listen, may would be cool if Johnny Drama had this past and he started this

commercial that was all Doug. That was all Doug me that stuff up, you know, and even like Vance started off doing Mentos commercials, you know, I mean, that's all Doug and his genius. He's just a really uh great writer. So show I'm Entourage ran for so long, Kevin, do you have what are some of your I mean I've got obviously, and everybody listening that sin entoge fan will

have their favorite episodes or favorite scenes. Um, what are some episodes and some scenes, um that are your favorite as as as somebody that was a part of that, you know. I got a couple of episodes and and one of them is actually the golf episode because I

love golf Tom Brady. That was actually supposed to be uh, originally that was supposed to be Eli Manning and he couldn't do it for some reason, and Mark Wahlberg called up Tom Brady and tom Brady's like, yeah, Doug Ellen had to rewrite the whole script to make it makes sense, and it was It was great. It was like I

just love that episode because I love golf. And it was a weird day because I was hitting the ball so pure off the tape and like every shot they're like, all right, Dylan, that you gotta hit a bad shot now, okay, And I was like, I didn't want to hit a bad every moment it's like right down the middle. So I had a purposely like hit a duck hug and yeah, I mean that that That is one of my favorites. But my number one favorite is when Johnny Drama is like all nervous because he's got a Five Towns is

coming out. He's just afraid he's gonna get bad reviews. He's got horrible reviews in the past. I think a bird flies through the window and it's bad karma. He's like, oh, this is bad look and then the reviews come out. Well, he's like he's in a in an Asian rubbing tug and he's like, uh, trying to hide. He's like, what are you a variety? And here get rid of that thing, you know, and he finds out she's like, well, why don't you just read it? I read and I get

a bad review. I storm out of there. I think

my career is over. He drives out to the Grand Canyon, hammered by the way, which I don't know if you would ever see that again, you know, drinking and driving out to the Grand Canyon, and you think he's like in a draw the Lincoln off the cliff, wakes up in the morning like the show got picked up as a huge hit or it was the victory moment, so it was this great victory moment, I would say to me, just for my character and for me as an actor, I was able to show a lot in that one show,

a lot of you know, you're trying to be funny, but you're trying to be you want to keep it real at the same time. And it's also very sad for him. He's just like this nervous records whole career. And and that's what Drama was all about. It wasn't about trying to get the girl and trying he wanted to be it. It wasn't even so much the fame. Yeah, he liked the fame, but he just he was really serious about being a good actor and being a great you know, he loved that. He loved the acting part

of it. And he was a great character man. You don't come across guys characters like this too often. He was a career character of me. I've never had a better character. I've never been able to play someone as interesting. I've had some really good parts Bunny, Platoon and all these great parts, but Johnny Drama is still right up here. He's top top of the list for me. Is it hard, Kevin, when you're on such a hit show like that? And

your characters for everybody on the show. When everybody's character is so defined and your so linked to that character, is it hard after it ends to say, Okay, this is I've got to pivot, this is the next phase of my life, because I'm sure you probably after that got loads of roles where you're like, I mean, do I really want to do this because it's kind of like what I've done already. Yeah. Yeah, That's all I was getting was Johnny drama types, you know what I mean.

So for a while, I just got a bunch of Johnny drama type. But it's also you kind of get pigeonholed, a little bit of a little type cast, and and it takes a while they actually come out of it. It takes years. Only time will kind of heal that. But you get you know, they're like, oh we we we love, we love Kevin, Johnny Drama, we love Johnny. They're basically calling you Johnny Drama, we love Johnny Drama. You're a casting director. It's Kevin Dillon. You know, I

could do other stuff, but really they do. They you kind of get typecast, and not just me, but pretty much everyone on the show. And it's Uh, I'm lucky. I've been able to fight out of it and just keep plugging. And it's tough man to keep this career going for that many years, over thirty years. It's hard, man, really is. It's funny. Uh, you know, I'm currently working with a player, Pat Perez. I love, I love I don't know him personally, I love it. I love him.

Hats made the decision to go to live. Um. Every you know, he got paid, he's he's playing on DJ's team, and everybody's just constant on social media saying he's a bomb, he's a bomb, he's a bomba And I'm like, dude, the guy played for twenty years on the PGA who are never lost its card in the Tiger Phil era to do that, I mean, people don't realize to have.

And very similar to the reason I bring it up, like yourself, the career longevity that you had to start starring in movies, you know, in the early eighties and it's two you're still getting work. I mean that's that would be a scene in Entourage that people would go out that that kind of stuff doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah,

I mean, I totally get by. I mean if it's kind of like the movie industry back and they the forties where the studios they're gonna pay you, you know what I mean, you get paid for doing you work for them, and then you kind of but it's hard to say no to that. And I really I don't. I have nothing but respect for all those guys, and Uh, I probably would do the same. You know. There's that scene where you guys are on the floor at the Laker game, and and and Ian and Vincent the characters

or something. He doesn't want to get type cast, and and and a Jeremy Pipogos, but there's Batman and there's the Joker wading around. He's a typecast. Is rich guys right as billionaires or whatever have you are? Have you been surprised, um, that Adrian who played Vince, has you know, going in a different direction, um and has basically kind of forged his own path away from the world that

you guys were all in. Not really, you know, Adrian is is uh is a great guy, sensitive guy, and he's a real he really cares about the environment a lot as to why, but I have so much respect for him because he's he's really doing something about it. You know, you know I bought a tesla. That's not really I I'm trying to do my part. But he's out there trying to save the whales. He's trying to clean up the ocean. He's trying to do all kinds

of things. And I I'm hoping to be more like him as the future goes by and I'm gonna I'm gonna do more. I love what he does and he's you know, he's a great human being. Last Entourage question, Um, not nuts. I don't care. I love it. Um, you were the chef on the show. Um, talk to me about your cooking skills. You have real cooking skills like you did on the show. I do, man, I do. I love to cook, But to be honest with you,

I didn't really I was okay before Entourage. I wanted to learn to make really make it look like I knew what I was doing. So I actually had a body of mine. It was a chef teach me. Had a chop You'll see I I you curb the fingered Ugh, they're chopping. I'll I'll have everything going. I would wipe the plates clean. These are little things that I would do like that. I thought would be a real Johnny drama that you know, wipe off the plate as he

serves Vince. You know, I wanted to Uh, I wanted to make him this, you know, just the guy who was over the top with the cooking. But I love it and I've become better because of Johnny Drama. I could I cook a mean meat ball. I can make you know, great bowling as little mac and cheese. I don't mess around. I'm pretty good. Um. Wire room with Bruce Willis. Um, he's a legend. Um. What was it

like working with Bruce? And obviously Bruce is going through the issues health wise that he's going through, But to to I spent a lost weekend in Manhattan with Bruce Willis. He came to a golf school in Las Vegas with a friend of the Carmines Azora. UM, my dad and I at our golf school in Vegas. We taught him and he was like, hey, we should stay in touch. And it's like late nineties and but yeah, Bruce, let's stay in touch. Like three weeks later he called me.

He goes in Philadelphia, I'm filming this movie The sixth Cents. Do you want to come to New York and play some golf. And I'm like, yeah, sure, So I go to New York. Um. We end up that weekend playing at Wingfoot with Donald Trump. Um. We played at Westchester Country Club with Jack Nick Wilson and he went to

Game one. We went to Game one of the World Series with Tino Martinez hit the Grand Slam against them, the San Diego Padres and and I'm sitting there and I'm like, no one is ever going to believe this story. I mean, Spike Lee was there, and no. I mean, that's that's amazing, man. How was it? Was? He pretty good? Pretty he was Bruce Bruce Actually, you know he's left handed. He hits it. You know, Bruce hits it pretty good. I mean he's got a good swing. He's athletics. You know,

he still plays. I heard that. It's the one thing he still he still plays, and he's I hear, he's still pretty good. We didn't have days off on the same at the same time, so we didn't get to play together. I did work with them twice. I did two movies with him. The first movie, I didn't have any scenes with him. The second movie, of course, uh uh, hot Wire Room we had a lot of stuff together, and he's a great guy and he uh, it's it's it's a tough time. He's going through it right now,

but he still gets it done. He was still good in the movie, and he still enjoys golf, and he's still uh, you know, he's got his boys with him, and they every time they would go to do a movie, that would go play a couple of rounds of golf. And apparently he could still hit the ball. You know, he looks great too. He's only Yeah, do you watch a lot of golf? I mean, I'm always surprised at actor, celebrities, athletes that how much golf do you watch? You know?

It depends right now, lately I have been watching as much. But I mean i'll watch I won't miss a major. I won't miss any major, so uh but most of the time if it's on, it'll be between football and golf, right. You know, I love golf. Favorite golf courses that you've gotten to play? And what are some golf courses that are on your kind of Johnny drama bucket list? Well, I'll tell you what. You know, it's sounds wrong to say, but Wingfoot is as good as a guess I can't

be as good as a game. I just I don't know. It's just straight no bs, it's right there in front of you. You know, take me if you can. Kind of golf course, but I've had, you know. I played Pebble. I love Pebble. Cypress Cypress is pretty pretty special. That was good, really great. I still haven't been to Augusta. I would love to play Augusta. I would love to play Pine Valley. My dad was kind of a big

guy over a Pine Valley. They all know him. I think you might have some portraits hanging up there or something. But uh, yeah, I would love to do Pine Valley. Um yeah, I mean I just love golf. So St Andrew's gotta do. I did a bunch in Ireland. I did. I love Ireland. But I used to a golf simulator. It's called it was called a full swing golf simulator. I don't know if you remember. We used it in an entourage and I was like, hey, what does it take for me to get a golf I want one

of these? And they're like, well, we could probably work something out. So they flew me out to the Big Golf Convention in Florida, and I got up there and uh, they kind of broke down my swing. It was Jim Flick, Jim McLean, sorry, Jim McLean. Yeah, it was Jim McClain broke down my swing. Great guy. So I got up on stage and I right away. I mean, I had a nine iron into like and I put one pretty close to the pin and he kind of did a couple of tweaks. This is in front of a thousand people,

and I hit one even closer. I mean, what a great guy. And so I did that, and they gave me a full swing golf simulator. I put in my garage and I played it for, you know, fifteen years, ten years on the golf simulator. Great, great times. Who are your favorite golfers to watch? I mean, who do you watch? And you say, okay, I'm rooting for him. M I want this guy to win. You know. It's weird, but there are two of your guys. I believe Brooks, Yeah, Brooks. I love Brooks. I've met him in l A. And

I love Brooks. I love his attitude. And and the other one is Dustin Johnson and I know d J. We met a long time ago through David David Winkler. You know David, David Winkle a great guy. And so we met and um, he met my dad, and my dad hooked us up together, and uh we all had you know, we went out to Houston, had brigs and had a great time. But those two guys, I just I love both of them. I love Rory, Love Rory McElroy. I mean, he's got my favorite golf swing of all time.

If I could have a golf swing, I take Rory. You know what is um, Kevin, what's the current handicap right now? Talk to me about your game? What's your handicap? I haven't even I haven't even been posting my game is I've been so out of the game for a while because work has been great. The beginning of COVID, like I said, it was terrible. The second half of COVID, they ran out of stuff to watch, so they were like, we gotta make movies, We gotta we gotta get some stuff,

some material out there. And I've been working NonStop. So my game, I've never played as little golf as I have this last couple of years. A year and a half or so, and I'd probably be like a fifteen I'm that bad. I mean, I'm terrible. I'm hitting him off the hozzle right now. I mean it's bad. And the rumor is you've got the shanks. Don't say that word. You can't say yes word. I don't mind because I got him. I mean, I already got him. But and

let me tell you about it. It's something that comes back with me a lot because I get him and they'll go away for a while, but they'll come up. And I did this thing where with the Donald Trump golf thing with Mark Wahlberg. I had the shanks during that too, and it was bad dude, and on TV, and it was like Mark asked me to do it. I said, I can't do it, Mark, I I I played. Yeah, I was at the range the other day. I had twelve of them. I had twelve shanks. He's like, no, no,

don't worry about it. We we will take control of it. It was. It was the rough. It was one of the worst moments ever to be what you say, you're hitting checks you know, I was terrible. One are the strengths of your game if you're playing all I could be If I'm playing playing well, I could be a good driver. I could get it out pretty far. Uh, and I could be pretty consistent. I'm decent chopper, decent chopper.

I'm usually bad putter, but I got this claw. I'm working than the Yeah, what's the lowest round you've shot? I shot a two wonder that Camario Springs I had. I had six birdies four of minute row and uh, I still have four bogies. But yeah, to tow other, but I've shot even part a couple of It's for me. L A is easy. You could go out there and it's like, well, I'm playing public courses in l A. It's not waying foot so I'm not I don't have to you know, hit a flop shot up on the green.

I can I can see the pin right there. I could get up and down. But yeah, I mean, uh yeah, my my, my rounds in l A have gotten pretty low. Um. Lastly, Kevin talked to me about what's what's the upcoming projects, the things that you're really really exciting about. Where are we going to be seeing you and uh, what what do you have in the pipeline? Well, I got uh, I got I gotta still got a bunch of things

going on. Like I said, I have the the Pilot, which I think will go with Charlie Sheen and Kevin Connolly. That's called uh ramble On. So I got that. I got a Reagan movie with Dennis Quaid. Dennis quite plays Ronald Reagan. I play Jack Warner from Warner Brothers. That's gonna be really cool. And I just got a text from the producer today he said, just looking really good that movie. Uh. It takes a lot of time because there they have to age them down and then aide

them up. So Dennis was right in the middle for both and they I don't know if they're aging me or not or or I don't think they're messing with me too much. But uh. And then I got, uh the Buddy Games, Buddy Games to the sequel. It's gonna be great. It's hilarious. Well, we've got to get together. I can help you with your golf whenever, and uh, we'll get together. And um if I get to l a UM, I'm gonna take you up on the offer

to be on on the podcast. I just joined, uh a golf course called Sati Koi, which is a really nice golf course too, So maybe you could get out there and tee it up. But I love to have you on Victory the podcast and thank you for having me as a guest. I've had a great time. And you you now have something in common with my father. My my father grew up at Wingfoot. I don't know if you know, but they were just the brothers were just up there um for the Anderson and unbeknownst to

my dad, they made them honorary members. And they did this while my dad and his brothers were speaking, and um, they said. My dad was crying. And he immediately sent me a picture of his little um honorary member plaque. And he's so excited about it. So I'll let him know that. And um, you know, he was a big fan of the show. And man, thank you so much. It's uh. I've done a lot of cool things, but to get an opportunity to to to speak to you as uh, it's a huge, huge thing for me and

great talking to you. Man, it's great talking to you. I love what you do and and I love golf and all your guys keep killing it. Man. We gotta get you out to come out to some tour events. Oh, I would love to. I would love to. Let's do it. Thanks Kevin. Thank you. So that was Kevin Dillon and UM, I mean he's it's almost like he is Johnny Drama the character. But um, what a cool guy to talk to and you know, certainly one of the highlights of

my life getting chance to talk to him talk about Entourage. Um, it's a show that uh was huge for me. I lived in l A and Uh, I'll be honest. I got back and watch it. I'm sure everybody else does too. So really really glad to have Kevin on and UM, we're gonna get him. We're gonna work on his golf swing. I can't have him having the shanks. So PJ Tour started last week unfortunate finish for Danny Willett, but what

an amazing chip in Maxima who wins again. And then on the live Cam Smith and DJ duking it out down the stretch and Cam Smith wins and listen, golf is golf, whether it's on the PGA Tour, whether it's on the Live Tour. Um, there are players playing golf. I was at the Live Tour last week with DJ. UM I watched Camp Smith play. Um, he's doing the same thing on live that he was doing on the PGA Tour, which is playing unbelievable golf. This guy's putting in short game is about as good as anything that

you can find right now anywhere in the world. And UM, if there was a major next week, our major this week, I think you'd see camp Smith in contention. I think you'd see Dustin Johnson in contention. I think you'd see Roy McElroy in contention. UM. I think you'd see the best players in the world get into contention in big tournaments. And you know, I think that's to me, that's what's being overlooked by this whole you know, live versus the

PGA Tour thing. Um. At the end of the day, it's golf, and whether you're watching the PGA Tour, you're watching live, you're going to see great players hitting great shots and playing great golf. And I think that's what we all want. A huge week this week the President's Cup. UM, I'll be honest. I mean, I think there are some guys um that should be there, both on the American team and the international team, UM, that are not allowed

to be there. UM. I thought that, UM. Matt Fitzpatrick, the reigning US Open champion, who played on the last Ryder Cup team for Europe. UM. I thought his comments about the Ryder Cup. Um, we're pretty interesting. He said, I just want to win the Ryder Cup. So in my opinion, I want to be a part of the team myself, but I want the eleven best guys we can get on the team. And UM, I think the team competitions should be the best players. And UM, I don't know if this President's Up team will have a

little bit of an astric Um. I feel unbelievably sorry for Trevor Immelman. Um, he's a friend. We had him on the podcast and try and get him on the podcast after. Um the President's Cup because listen, it's hard for their international team. They've never beaten the American team and and they want to have their best players, and um they don't. Uh they they're not allowed to pick them. And the U S side is is missing some of

their best players as well. So, UM, they should be playing and I think the best teams should be there. I know a lot of people will disagree, but that's my opinion and it's my damn podcast, so UM, I'm putting it out there. Uh so, but excited. Um, the team competition always good. Um, the international team kind of banded together down in Melbourne last time and you know got it pretty close. Took a pretty big rally from the U S team to get that win. Can Trevor

Immilman rally? Uh, the troops that he has on that team, can they make a run? Um? But team competition, it's always great and U it's always great to see how these matchups match up on the golf course. So I'm excited to watch it, and I know everybody else is too. I want to thank everybody for listening. We've got some great podcasts. Um if you haven't gone back and checked out past episodes, there are a lot of good ones out there, so please check them out. I want to

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