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May 24, 202342 minEp. 37
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Claude exclusively shares his thoughts from Brooks’ Major victory at the PGA Championship in Rochester.  

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It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. I'll be the guest today. Obviously, just got back from the PGA Championship and I mean, what an amazing week. I think it was a pretty important week in Brooks kept his career, certainly after what happened at the Masters where he wasn't able to close, and he's been a closer his entire career. Unfortunately, he didn't get it done at Augusta, but at o'kill he got it done. And you know, it was a really really interesting week.

That is a that is a big boy golf course, and that's that's another thing. I mean, obviously, that's Brooks's fifth major, which puts him in very very elite company. But if you look at the golf courses Aaron Hills, everybody says it was an easy golf course, it was a bomber's paradise, and yeah, I'll take a little bit of that. But if you look at the rest of the golf courses that Brooks has won major Zone Shinnecock, Beth Page, you know, Belle Reeves kind of old school,

and then Okill, which is very very old school. He wins on really really difficult golf courses, and I think that's another big part of the story, is his game rises to really really difficult challenges. Okill is, it was a tough golf course before the redesign. They did a redesign. They took out a lot of trees. I've been there. I was there in eighty nine. I was there in two eighty nine for the US Open, two thousand and five for the Ryder Cup, and then in thirteen for

the last PGA. I like the changes. I think they did a really good job. There is this kind of I think it's I don't want to call it a fad, but there is definitely a move towards going to these old golf courses and trying to take out a lot

of the trees that have grown up. So I guess they're trying to take the golf courses back to where they were originally designed, because obviously, if something was designed forty fifty years ago, the trees that they were planning then are different than the ones and the amount of vegetation they'll have now. But I like the redesign. I thought the sixth hole was just brutal. It's just a tough golf course, tough hole. But I do think the players that I talked to everyone said they don't mind it.

I don't think golfers professional golfers like it, dislike it being hard, and I thought Oka was very, very fair. But it is a tough test, and it's just there are stretches of holes where you know that that's the kind of that's the time to make your score because you know coming in you're going to go through a stretch of holes. We were just going to have to hang on. So yeah, I mean, it was a really it was an interesting week for Brooks. Thursday, I mean

practice rounds. He was fine. He played good the week before in Tulsa, didn't putt great. I think if he putts it all in Tulsa the week before where he was playing on live, he probably could have gotten into the playoff with DJ and Gracie and Cam Smith. Didn't get it done and we didn't. We didn't do a ton and ton of work at Okill. We kind of paced ourselves. It's been a long run for Brooks. You know, you can tell that he's a little bit tired, and so we we didn't grind a ton golf swing wise,

he's hitting it good. He's been hitting it good for a while now. Thursday I thought was really I thought Thursday was one in the golf tournament and that was the worst round he had. He did not play well. Warm ups were good, but he just got on the golf course didn't play good. As soon as he got done, we went straight to the range. He said that he felt his hands had kind of gotten a little bit back at a dress and he kind of was missing it,

you know. Both ways. Hit some really wide shots on Thursday, but there was zero panic. There was like no panic, And I found that quite interesting that I think when a player plays poorly but they know they're playing good, there isn't this sense of panic. So we went to the range after Thursday's round for about twenty minutes, hit some balls. Got his set up. Everything in Brooks' golf swing tends to be you know, when he gets off,

the issues tend to be set up related issues. His hands get too far back, ball position gets too far back, a line mint gets off. So a lot of what I do over the course of my time with Brooks is we do a lot of work on the basics and listen in twenty twenty three, basics aren't real sexy right now, grip stance post your alignment. No one's making Instagram videos on grip stance, posture in alignment. They're making them laying the shaft down and all the cool stuff

that all the cool kids are doing right now. But I think you would be surprised at you know, for the best players in the world, when their alignment, when they're a ball position, when the basics of what they're doing before they hit a golf ball get off because they've got so much speed, because they've got so much power, because they hit the golf ball so solid, they can hit the golf ball a long way offline. So when Brooks's basics get out of whack, he can shoot some

bad scores and hit some bad shots. So I was really happy that that's all it really was. He didn't panic. He knows he's hitting it good. His hands got a little bit back. He kind of felt that on the golf course. We went to the rain, and then he looked at Ricky Elliott and I and looked us right.

Both of us looked right at us and said, I won't play bad again this week and there have been times where Brooks has said that before, and normally when he says something like that, in the way that he says it, in the conviction that he says it with,

you tend to believe him. He played really good on Friday, came straight off the golf course and as he was walking from eighteen into scoring, he just had this look on his face and he looked at me and he said, I told you I'm not going to play bad again. I think he learned a lot at Augusta from not getting it done on Sunday, and I think last week and I think Sunday was a massive, massive day for Brooks. In his career, he has been in alpha in the

major championships. There was a time where it seemed like to a lot of people that he had somewhat cracked the code in majors just because he was winning them so much and so often. So I think to come back and shoot three rounds in the sixties, get himself back in the golf tournament on Friday. The golf the conditions on Saturday were not good. I mean, it was raining,

it was cold. You knew if you hit the golf ball offline, you're gonna get it into the thick rough that was already penal and then it was wet, and he went out on Saturday and shot another really good score and you could just see this kind of momentum building. But Sunday, I gotta be honest, the Sunday he was a little jumpy in his warm up. He didn't feel like he was hitting it that great. I know, he said to Pete Cowen that he didn't feel like his

golf swing was was great. But by the time you get to Sunday on a major championship, you know, what you have is what you have golf swing wise. I think Brooks was trying to you know, maybe being yeah. I think he was probably a little bit nervous. I think he was, you know, looking for perfection, which is tough to have. The warm up that he had on before the final round on Sunday at Augusta made the warm up that he had at Oakill on Sunday, I mean, it was like black and white. He never missed a

shot on Sunday at Augusta in his warm up. It was one of the best warm ups I've ever seen him. Have complete control ability to do whatever he wanted with the golf ball, but just total total control over what he was doing and went out and didn't play the way he wanted to, didn't get the job done. I think getting off to the start that he got off to on Sunday was so important. Hit it to sixteen feet on the first, four feet on the second, four feet on the third, four feet on our nine feet

on the fourth. So he's hitting it inside of ten feet on three of the holes and right around fifteen feet on the other one. That's a statement I think everybody he was looking on Sunday, specifically the guys that were around Brooks on the leader board. He took a one shot lead, but I think you're looking to see, okay,

which Brooks is going to show up. Is it the Brooks from you know, two thousand and seventeen, eighteen and nineteen, where he was winning majors on a regular basis, or we're we're going to get on Sunday the Master's twenty twenty three Brooks where he didn't get the job done

on Sunday. So I thought getting off to that start, hitting those type of shots early certainly kind of put him in a little bit of a I wouldn't say relaxed, but I definitely think at one point early he had a three shot lead, two or three shot lead, so your mindset is very, very different. The sixth hole, which I referenced, such a difficult, difficult hole. He had a

poor drive, but somehow managed to make a bogie. And you know, the eight years I worked with Brooks previously, and you know, back together with him now, one of the mantras and we had as a team for the major championships were don't make any double bogies. Bogies are fine. You can survive making bogies, making double bogies and major championships are very very tough to overcome making double bogies.

When you have the lead and you're in a major championship on Sunday, you throw a double in the mix early, it normally doesn't farewell. It kind of lets the field know that, hey, there might be some chinks in the armor. So I think the par that he was able to make there, or the bogie that he was able to make there, was huge because he's staring making double right in the face he was. I think he knew that Victor Hovlin was playing well. Vic I can't say enough

about how good this kid is. He is, he is legit, he is elite. His ball striking is as good as anybody. And you know, the work that he's done recently with Joe Mayo on a short games has paid dividends. I mean, you know, we all kind of have seen Victor struggle around the greens. For a good player, he has struggled a lot, and it was great to see him now.

I do think that the way the rough was set up at at at Oakhill, very penal, very much old school kind of US open Northeast kind of thick, thick rough. I actually think that helps Victor because it takes there's no creativity at that point. You're not trying to figure out what shot you're going to hit, what type of shot you're going to try and play. You just basically

have it's thick rough. You just have to beat down on it and grind, you know, grind it out and just get it on the green and run it to the whole. There isn't a lot of nuance, there isn't a lot of skill, So in that respect, I think it was it was helpful to be on that type of golf course. But listen, Victor Hoblin is going to have chances to win major tachampionships moving forward. I'd be shocked if he doesn't win one. He's got that type

of talent. He and his caddie, Shane Knight. I think they're one of the best teams on the PGA Tour. And I am a huge, huge Victor Hovelin fan, So great to see him play well and he will have more chances and I definitely think there is a major in his future. But you know, Brooks somehow makes bogie and then you know, made a couple of putts when

he needed to. But to me, the game changer for him was thirteen Part five where he's looking at you know, definitely making birdie and had to hold a pretty dicey quick downhill left to right putt. And you know, if you're going to win a major championship, there's always going to be one of those putts from ten to twelve feet that is for parr And if you want to win the golf tournament, you're going to have to win. You're gonna have to make it to win the golf tournament.

And he stands up on fourteen and just hits an unbelievable draw and you know, closes the door at sixteen. I thought the drive that he hit on eighteen showed a lot of guts. He didn't have to hit driver there with a lead. He could have easily hit something else and had a longer iron. But I think it's a testament to how he was playing and how much confidence he had in what he was doing. He has this,

this knack this, and I don't. I'm around him a lot and have been around him a lot for the last ten years, and Brooks just he likes he likes major championships. He liked and trust me, anybody that tells you that they that they like major championships, they're probably not telling you the truth. But Brooks, he really does like them. He likes the pressure, he likes the you know, all of the things that he knows that you're going to have to do to win one. He knows that

you're going to have to go through a lot. It's going to get tough, it's going to get dirty, it's going to get messy, it's going to get ugly to win a major championship. And some guys like that, and some guys don't. He is one of those players that just really really really likes it. He likes it when the pressure is the toughest. He's now won fourteen percent of the majors he's played in, and in fifty percent of the majors he's played in, he's finished inside the

top ten. Those are just those are just numbers that we just aren't used to seeing from one person, specifically in the majors. I mean, I guess you could say, you know, we saw that from Tiger, but of the modern generation. You know, Roy McRoy won his last major when Brooks had won none, and in twenty fourteen. If I told you that Roy macroy is going to have four majors and Brooks Koepka would have more majors than him, I just don't think anyone would believe it, because that's

how great Rory McElroy is. That is how dominant a golfer he is and can be. So I think Brooks now with five. It's I mean, I think a lot of people are trying to figure out where to put this win with all the live stuff going on with the debate. I think, moving forward, hopefully, I think it's a fantastic thing for the game of golf that somebody from Live won a major, because I think it's an opportunity for us to just go back to talking about golf.

I mean, can we just go back to talking about golf and not politics and all of the other stuff that you know, people seem to want to talk about. I mean, it's just these guys are golfers, right, Brooks is a professional golfers and a professional golfer, and if he's healthy, which is it is so naive to think that he's not going to be a great player. He's not going to be a dominant player in the majors

because that's what he was. A lot of the reporters afterwards were asking me, were you surprised by any of this?

And I'm like, the only people that are surprised by this are the people in the media that have been anti Lived, that haven't gone to any of the tournaments and haven't watched any of the live tournaments, and you know, like to pretend that it's a fifty four fifty four hole exhibition, and you know, everybody that plays on that tour is hurting their career because they're not playing on the PGA Tour and they're not playing in seventy two holes.

I think that whole narrative. Now we had another major where there were live players. Bryson played good last week, had a great showing. Cam Smith had a great final round on Sunday. It's golf. These are professional golfers. It doesn't really matter are where they play. And I think anyone that thought that these guys just weren't going to be able to continue to play in major championships on the biggest stage, to me, it was I think it was for a lot of people. They were hoping that

for their own agendas, whatever those agendas are. But I think the last two Majors have clearly shown that the players that went to Live they were great players when they went there, and they're still great players. If you don't agree with Live for political reasons, if you don't like the format, that's that's fine. I mean, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But the fact is that in two major championships, you know, one has been one by guy that went to Live, and the Masters was

almost one by guy that went to Live. And you know, someone who has been a you know, a anti LIV punching bags see Wan Kim see Wan Kim made the cut and played good and beat a lot of people that play seventy two holes and play on the PGA Tour and all that. So I mean to me, it's all bullshit, right, It's this is golf, professional golfers. I don't care where you're playing professional golf. I don't care

if you're playing on the PGA Tour. I don't care if you're playing on the LPGA, DP World, Asia, South Africa Champs Tour and Live as well. If you were playing on a professional tour and you are winning on a professional tour, then your game is going in the

right direction. And you know, brooks Kopka's won three of the last slum trying to think since he won in Jetta so one in Jedda, his team had a chance to win the team championship in Miami at the Live finale, so then he played Saudi Arabia, then missed the cut in an Asian Tour event in Oman that all the anti Live people jumped all over, and you know, and then has played pretty good the last month. So it doesn't matter in my opinion, It doesn't matter where you're

playing or where you're winning. If you are winning. Then don't be surprised if you see guys playing a tournament have a chance to win. I mean we see that all the time, we have seen for years. I mean, look at Tom Kim, right, I mean Tom Kim is the new darling of the PGA Tour, right, and I think he's a superstar. I mean I really do. I love this kid. I thought, you know, last week him falling in the water and all of that, that is

just who he is. Right. You could see the progression that Tom had of playing in Asia, then playing some European starts, he started having some confidence, he started winning some tournaments, and now he's one of the legit players. So I just this narrative that because the golf is being played on live, it's no good and you're not going to be any good because you went to Live.

I think if that's what you've been pushing and you still believe that, then I feel sorry for you because I think that you're doing it for your own reasons, because it's not the truth. If you don't like Live and you don't like the players that went there, that's fine, that's you got the right to do that. But to try and portray these guys as being bumps. To me, that's the thing that upsets me the most. And you know,

it's pretty vocal with some of the media. There's an article of Golf Week that came out and listen, I think there has been a segment of the golf media that has been fiercely, fiercely anti Live and the stuff they wrote, the things they said, I think it hurt a lot of guys that went to Live. And you know, you've got these these players that had had great careers. I mean, to me, the easiest example is you've got

Henrik Stenson, right. Henrik Stenson won the FedEx Cup, won the Players Championship, won a major, an iconic major, down the stretch with with Bill Micholson, one of the great all time majors, stole ward of the European tour, of the euro Ryder Cup team, and based off of all of that criteria, they anoint him as the Writer Cup Captain. That's what happens when you do what Henrik Stenson's done, and you played your golf in Europe, they make you

a Writer Cup Captain. When you have that type of resume. The day he goes to Live, bum insignificant was never any good. And I'm like, the day before he made the decision go to Live, he was the writer Cup captain, so in one day everything that he did is just a bomb. I just don't get it. And maybe, listen, maybe my view is a little bit skewed because I've been involved with Live for the last six seven eight months. All of my players went there, but I was part

of the PGA Tours ecosystem for twenty something years. It was part of the European Tour for a number of years when I worked there. I've seen what those ecosystems are like. I've seen what those tours are like. I know how they work, I know how they run all of those things. So I'm I said this, I'm pro Live because I am pro professional athlete, I am pro

professional golfer. I think that professional golfers should have the same opportunities that every other athlete in professional sports has, and there are players that get big contracts in every sport, and I just I just don't fundamentally understand why there is this continued want to have golf be like the Truman Show, like this utopian Truman Show type thing. In the fifties and sixties and where everything is just perfect and nothing bad ever happens, and you know, everything's just

like it used to be. I personally don't want to be a part of a sport like that, I really don't. I don't want to be a part of a sport that's constantly looking backwards. I think the game of golf in twenty twenty three is in an amazing place. I think we have some of the best golfers in a very very long time. I mean, if you look at the players playing all over the world on the men's side, on the women's side, the caliber of golfers, the depth

of golfers, it's just it's staggering. It's tremendous. I think, you know, I think we are so lucky right now to be seeing the golf that John Ram is playing, the golf that Scotty Scheffler's been playing, and all of these new kind of stars that are coming up. I mentioned Tom Kim, Max Homer. You can you can keep finding players right and you can find them on every tour. There's great players playing in Europe right now, there's great players playing in Asia right now. I think the LPGA

is going through an amazing period of great play. And I think from the men's side, just because guys went to Live, it doesn't mean that they can't play golf. It doesn't mean that they're not going to continue to be good players. And I'm glad that Brooks personally. Obviously I work with Brooks's but I'm I'm glad that I'm glad that somebody from Live won a major because hopefully we can all just get back to realizing that this is this is just golf. These are just athletes. They're

playing a sport. They're playing a sport with a ball and a stick. They give you a scorecard and you're trying to put the lowest score on the scorecard as you can. And I don't care where you play, That's what everybody is trying to do. So I think it was a I think it was a big I think brooks Kepta's win his I think him getting his fifth major. I think the way that he won his fifth major, I think is good for golf, and I think it's

good for golf. I'm very, very glad that somebody from Live won one of the I was hoping one of the Live guys would win one of the four majors, because I think that that's the way that all of this craziness starts to unravel. Brooks is now second in the US Ryder Cup points list. If you haven't seen Brad faxon and Am and Lynch talking about the Ryder Cup, you find it on social I thought Facts did a fantastic job of saying, Hey, we're playing golf and that's

what's what this to me, that's what this is. But I do think now that Brooks is in a is it a rare He's a rare position now because he's young, he's healthy. I gotta be honest with you, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if Brooks continues to win majors. He's just that good. And when he's healthy and when he's swinging the way he's swinging and playing the way

he's playing, he can dominate. And you know, I wouldn't be surprised if he has legit, legit back nine chances in La at the US Open and at Liverpool for the Open Championship. I mean, that's what I know. He expects those of us on his team, we expect that as well. I just can't. I just can't say enough about the team that Brooks has around him. Last week, Ricky Elliott, who's been on his bag. That was the ten year anniversary. They've switched the dates for the for

the majors. The PJA used to be the last major in August. Now it's in May. But that was ten year anniversary of when Ricky and Brooks first started. They started at the PGA in twenty thirteen. I think Ricky Fowler, excuse me, Ricky Elliott is one of the best caddies on the planet in the game. I'd known Ricky for a long time, and you know, I thought he would be a perfect fit for Brooks. And you know, I told Brooks listened, he was turning, you know, it was

coming to the States, was going to play. I said, listen, I think Ricky Elliot would be the perfect caddy for you. It's funny, my dad, in twenty thirteen we walked, he walked a couple holes with us, and afterwards he said, man, that Brooks is really impressive. Hey, we need to get him a real caddy. I said, We've got him a real caddy. The real caddy is Ricky Elliott. And he goes, no, no, no, no, needs a veteran. He needs a veteran cartery down like

he doesn't need a veteran caddy. He has the perfect guy for him. And I think I was right. I think the job that Ricky and Brooks do on the golf course, I think the relationship they have off the golf course. I would say that Brooks considers Ricky literally part of his family, like a family member. I think he loves him like a brother. Mark Wall, who is Brooks's physio, I think he's the most valuable person on

Brooks's team. I told Brooks that when he first turned pro and told him to hire Mark Waller said you need to hire Mark Wall and I said, he will be the most valuable person you have on your team. And the work that Mark Wall has done with Brooks's body doctor Rs, the work that Aura has done. Brooks got your trainer this year, Andrew Cummings, that back room team, they are the heroes of this. They are the young

sung heroes. They have really transformed Brooks's body, got him back to where he can swing the golf club, got him back to where he's healthy, got him back to where he can work out. And I've said this a number of times recently. I don't think anyone realizes for Brooks how catastrophic the injuries were, and I think the Full Swing documentary in his interviews, I think people have been surprised him talking so candidly about how bad the injuries were. But they were almost game over for him.

They were almost career over because if his body wasn't going to be able to do what he needed it to do to swing the golf club, then as a as a golfer, as a player, you can't perform at the level that you're trying to perform at. So I think the team around Brooks is one of the best teams. He has a big team, Jeff Pierce, putting instructor, Pete Cowen,

short game I look after Full Swing. I mean, that's a lot of people, but that's to me, that's another example of this this narrative that a lot of people tried to push that you know, everybody was going to go to live and you know, get the bag, get the money, and then just check out. I mean, Brooks has got like seven people on his team and he rehired me after us not talk to each other for two years. If you think that's him checking out. I've got news for you, it's not. I've never seen Brooks

more hard than he's working right now. I think his game is moving in a direction that he can be one of those players that week in week out, can have chances to win tournaments, can have chances to win majors, and if he gets on a run, he has a chance to dominate because he has that type of game. And you know, five majors by the time you're thirty three, three PGAs and two US Opens. I think he has

the game. I think we've seen that he's had chances to win the Masters in nineteen and this year, and I think the Open sets up really well for books. He can move the golf ball a lot of different directions his ballflight, he can change trajectories quite easily. He's

quite comfortable doing that. So I think, you know the conditions if he doesn't get you know, messed around by the draw and get the wrong side of the draw, which can happen to you at an Open Championship, I fully expect him to have legit chances in the next two majors. And I think that I think this was a statement win for Brooks because after what happened at Augusta, where everybody was so used to seeing him close in

him not closing. I think there were some questions, you know, which Brooks was going to show up on Sunday at o'kill. Was it going to be you know, the nineteen Brooks where he was number one in the world and you know, multiple major champion, or was the Sunday at Augusta Brooks going to show up? And I think he showed everybody

that I definitely think he's back. I definitely think that he has the type of game and he's still I mean, he forget Brooks Silene early thirties, thirty three, he's exempt into every major and for the next five years, right, so he's exempt into all the major until eight. So I'm bad at math, but that's a lot of opportunities, and I think he is going to continue to have

opportunities to win major championships. I couldn't say this to anyone, but Brooks lost the Masters to Tiger in twenty nineteen double Bogie twelve hit it in the water and ended up, you know, just missing out, and Tiger won, and then he won three four weeks afterwards at beth Page and I just, I just I know Brooks, those of us around him know him. I just I said to my wife, I said, to a couple of guys I work with,

Brooks is going to win the PGA. And you know, I didn't say it publicly, but you you could just tell. And you can tell when players are in a different space. You just can't. It's like the room is a different temperature. And being around him, you can see the confidence, you can see the command that he has over his shots, you can see, you know, how good his body is.

And I just i'd seen it before. I saw it in nineteen where he, you know, had a chance to win the Masters and didn't get it done, was devastated by that and then wanted to make a point and win the next major. And I definitely think that that was the mindset. I definitely think he was in that headspace to where he was like, Okay, I should have won the Masters. I let that one slip away, and I'm going to go get the job done at the

next one. And he did it. The emotions that you go through when you watch players, I mean, you spend more time with these guys than you do with your own families. So when you spend time with them as much as you know those of us on the teams, of these guys do when they you know, I I I walked to the I was in the clubhouse. I was doing some TV for Sky. You couldn't see anything,

so it's just easier. And I knew I'd be able to watch everything, you know, every shot that Brooks hit, I knew I'd be able to watch it on TV. When he was going to the eighteenth hole, the eighteenth tee, I walked over, made the walk over to to go stand behind the eighteenth green and was getting you know, when I saw that he'd hit the ball in the middle of the fairway on eighteen because that is a

difficult drive. You hit it in that bunker, you're you're struggling to make par and you know, you're just you're filled with a lot of you know, a lot of emotions, or at least I was, And you know, you're watching a player that you know has been through so much, and you know, to to the hug that he gave Ricky Elliott on the on the on the eighteenth green. If you know Brooks, that's real, that's who he really

is as a person. Brooks can sometimes kind of act like he's an alpha kind of sometimes act like a tough guy, sometimes act like he doesn't care, but privately is a very very different person, and those of us that are lucky enough to know him privately see a different side of him. I mean, obviously, the fans and everyone listening to the podcast, you guys don't know him.

I mean, you don't know. We don't know any of these players, right, But when you're lucky enough like I am, to know what they're really really like, it's it's fun, it's amazing, and you know, I'm just I'm just proud of him. You know, it takes a lot. You know, I put out a post on social that you know, everybody gets knocked down, right, but it's what you do after you get knocked down that really really matters. And I think this is an opportunity for Brooks to have

a second phase of his career. And if he's healthy and if he can stay healthy, which I think he can, and his golf continues to be where it is, I think over the next five years he's going to be forced to be reckoned with and if he qualifies for the Ryder Cup team, automatically because of the points. I don't know how you keep them off that team, and

then hopefully I actually want that to happen. I want Brooks to be on the Ryder Cup team because then we've got players that play on Live winning major championships. We've got players that play on Live playing in the Ryder Cup and it's golf. We're just this isn't rocket science, Mark Karen Cancer out here, folks. This is professional sports. These are athletes, and Brooks's an athlete made the choice to go to Live. I think a lot of people have tried to portray Brooks as a guy that wants

to come back to the PGA Tour. I promise you, I promise you. I've never heard Brooks mentioned that once. You know, he has probably been in more meetings for Live and his team than any of the other team captains and team owners on Live. So I haven't seen him do anything other than be fully invested in Live. It was a decision, he meant. He has no animosity towards the PGA Tour. He doesn't. He saw He told me he saw Jay Monahan at the PJA champions dinner.

Said they spoke, said everything was fine. And when he played with Roy McElroy at the Masters, everybody tries toy, Oh, he's you know, he's playing with Rory because he wants to come back to the PGA Tour. He's playing with Rory because he normally plays a practice round a couple times a year with Rory at a major championship. They're two of the best players in the world. Why wouldn't they play together. They know each other well. They members at the same club down in Jupiter, they live in

the same town. They played the European Tour together. I think that moving forward, I hope is that we can just talk about the great golf that these players are playing. And enough with all of this Live versus the PGA Tour. I mean, it's just it's gotten so out of hand, and I think a lot of people that were anti live, you know, need to ask themselves, Okay, now what now what?

Because what's the narrative. Now? The narrative was they all took money, they were all committing career suicide, and they weren't weren't going to be able to play because they only played fifty four holes and it was an exhibition. And now you have those guys playing go to majors, and now you have one of those guys winning a major championship and has a legit chance to be on the Ryder Cup team and qualify for the Rider Cup team,

not even have to have a pick. He could qualify and it'll be interesting to see what the powers that be do that. But I know a lot of people are gonna not like this comment, but I think Brooks winning his fifth major was a good win for golf because we got to see some great golf. We got to see some great golf and Brooks from Vic Scotti Scheffler, man, I mean, this guy just he just doesn't go away. And I think the golf that that Scottie Scheffler's playing

is so good. And because I've been on Live for so for really since June, I love coming back to the Majors because I get to see a lot of these guys, they get to watch them hit golf balls, and to be on a driving range and get to watch Scottie Schefler hit golf balls. I mean, he's definitely somebody else stop and watch and oh kill tough, tough golf course. And you know, I definitely thought last week some of the best players in the world stood up and you know, went toe to toe with each other,

and Brooks Kepka came out on top. I think us open. Yeah, I mean, it's going to be really interesting to see if this trend can continue, if these if we can have these great players continue to play well. But you know, right now, through two majors, John Rahm, Brooks Koepka, I'm I'm definitely here for that, and I can't wait for the next two majors, and I'm excited to see it. And Brooks is back and he's not going anywhere, so definitely definitely proud of him and excited to see what

he can do. That's the eighth major I've been a part of. I got to watch Ernie els Whin. I worked with Ernie when he won in twenty twelve, that live them, worked with DJ for his two majors, and now that's five with with Brooks, and they are just as a coach, they are just they're so special to be a part of. And I am just so unbelievably lucky that the players that I work with and trust me to help them with their golf. And I say this all the time. I learn way more from them

than I think they sometimes learn from me. So, Brooks Koepka twenty twenty three PGA Champion. Anybody, did anybody listening have that down last year at this time that Brooks was going to be the twenty twenty three I mean, I didn't, and I can't imagine a lot of other people did. But I think it's good. I think it's good for the game, and I'm looking forward to see what Brooks can do in the majors for the rest of the year. Thank you everyone for listening. We're gonna

continue to get good guests. We've got some great podcasts in the can coming, and we've got some great podcasts. If you're a new listener and you haven't gone back through, we've got a bunch. I'm gonna get Brooks on. I'm gonna let him die down from this. Definitely gonna try and get Ricky Elliott on because I think, you know,

the perspective of the caddies is always good. I actually think it would be really cool get Brooks and Ricky on together and kind of talk to get them talking about that interaction that they have on the golf course and stuff, because I think that'd be really fascinating to listen, But thanks everyone for listening, Rate, review, Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Son of a Bunch, I'm just to you every Wednesday. We'll see you next week.

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