Andrew 'Beef' Johnston

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back guarantee. Again, that's code c H three at four Wellness dot com Backslash Podcast. Alright, so now let's get to the interview with Andrew Beef Johnston. My guest today is one of the most popular people in the game, Andrew Beef Johnson Beef. I think the last time we spoke was right in the middle of the pandemic. Um, a couple of years ago. Um, you were battling, you're battling then, you're still battling now and you just can't

shake these injuries. Man, No, injuries have not been kind. Um. Yeah, last year was stranger. I changed coach last year and I started to play some really good golf back end of the year, and I was ready for this season to come out and and start playing again, you know, and work my way back up. Um. And then all of a sudden, it was like banging overnight. It's like, okay, I'm not going to go to Middle East, and all of a sudden you start digging in more and looking

what's wrong in my hand? No one can figure it out. And it's been basically the whole season, which has been insane. It's got to be really frustrating. Um. You know when you do get injured, um that no one seems to be able to tell you what the problem is. You're you're saying before we started recording, you went and saw a Chinese doctor today. I mean, you're trying to leave no stone unturned to try and get back to fitness. Yeah, you just gotta take everything off the list. I haven't

been happy with what the specialists said. And so where'd you go next? I've got told about this doctor. So I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try pretty much anything to get back out on the golf course. Man um left thumb or right thumb? Left left? Oh? I mean that's I mean you mean, I mean, I think everybody in golf, you know that that plays professional golf and the fans, everybody knows that backs and necks or brutal for for

for golfers. But anytime there's a lingering issue in the wrist or the hand, I mean, that is your connection to the golf club. I mean, you can swing a golf club with a bad back and maybe try and kind of cheat one out there, but you've got to hold onto the golf club. And if it's the left farm, I mean, it's got to be painful when you're trying to hit golf balls and just even hold the golf club. Yeah.

The problem is at the moment is I'll hit like ten eight irons and it feels okay, and then I'll hit one more and all of a sudden, it's back to square one with a lot of pain, sharp pain. And that's with a nator and let alone picking up a driver or anything. So originally, what was the diagnosis? I've had loads? Um, Yeah, I've had loads. Man. One was a classification in the ligament in my thumb, and they gave me an injection so they get rid of it. If it doesn't do surgery, take it out. Two weeks

went by, nothing happened. Um. Then he changed his mind. Then that scared me. So then I saw someone else. Um, they said one thing again and then changed their mind. Um. And then I saw him again and they were just like, we're not sure what it is. Basic le um. So I was almost back to square one again. They did say maybe you should just get a golf club back in your hand and start a rehab program. And I was like, well, what exactly are we rehab in here?

And they couldn't answer it. So I was like, well, what's the point, man? That's just that's crazy. That And I mean, as an athlete, like you said, if if, if you're going to see somebody for an injury and they tell you to go down one route and then two weeks later they tell you to go down another route, you're that's a that's a that's tough for for someone to mentally come to terms with. You're like, wait, we're going down this route. We think this is gonna work,

and now two weeks later we're not. We're not going down this road. It's brew. It's the worst thing you could say, I think, to anyone, because once they say that, you sort of have your brain set out and what's going to happen. So, Okay, after two weeks we do surgery. How long is surgery going to be and how long's rehab? Oh, you probably take four weeks rest and then another of

four weeks. Three you have so you've got da da Okay, I should be to go back at this tournament and you you map it out on your head and then you turn up two weeks later and then it's like, yeah, we don't know, so what's the time frame? We don't know. And I'm like, well, you're left You're left in like limbo basically, and you can't really I mean, it's not like you can work on your game. I mean, does it hurt to put or can you can you put? Does that hurt it? No, it doesn't. It doesn't hurt

to put. But I mean when you've got no idea of when you're playing next, it's pretty hard. I would be putting for nine months now it's months right now, you're brad faction, right, I mean, you're you're hooping it

from everywhere. I mean, if if you as an athlete, you train, you you you get to where you want to get to, to get on the European Tour, you have that breakout year in sixteen, you get to the PGA Tour, which is, you know, the holy grail for golfers to to get an opportunity to play in the US. And you know, now through and you're going through the

pandemic you've had a baby, you're you're injured now. I mean, is it hard to to mentally stay upbeat because You've been pretty honest in the past about even when things were going good that sometimes you struggle on the course mentally you throw all this ship into the mix. I mean, it's got a testament, mate, Like I think I've retired about four times this year already. Um, yeah, it is.

It's it's difficult. You know. It's because as a player, I feel like on my day I can play with the best, you know, hang with the best, and it's so frustrating not being able to play in the best tournaments and feel like, I think that's the hard attachment. If I was playing really ship and struggling, you could almost accept it. But where like every time I come back and I have a run of a few months and I start playing good golf again, and you know he's still there and you know I can get up there.

I just need a run of a few years injury free. Whatever it is that still drives me because I know I can, I can play, and when I play good golf, I can I can play and compete against some of the best in the world. So that that does keep you interested, if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean for sure. I mean you've seen that. You know, you got into

the hunt at the Open Championship. Um, you know you've you want a tournament on a really really iconic European kind of tour golf course in valve Rama where you can't fake it around that golf course, and then you played on the PGA Tour. Um, you can't even set any goals right now because no one can get you

a diagnosis. I mean do you feel like, um, you've got to keep trying to find the right doctor, the right physio that can kind of point you in a direction that you can kind of touch and feel and even and see some positive progress in in what the

diagnosis is. Yeah, definitely. I think I've learned a lot this year in terms of myself away from the golf course, and um, I'm so hard on myself all the time, and that is really not helpful at all, and you know, take a step back away from it and going like, you know, when I come back, maybe we need to do things a little differently. I want to change the lifestyle a little differently as well and see if I can, yeah,

make a few adjustments and see if that helps. I think, and I think like lifestyle adjustment and saying no to a lot more things as well, and like to be honest. All sports people and successful people have to be pretty selfish to be honest, and I need to be more selfish, to be brutally honest. And I think they are the things that I've realized, and it's like, hopefully I can.

I can sort this this injury out, become a bit more selfish, use my time a lot better than I have done in the past, and we'll see where it takes us. But as I said when I when I sit here, I still think that, you know, if I can get myself fit, I'll get back playing and it won't say long to get back into stride of playing tournaments. And I still have ambitions getting back out to PJ Tour winning events UM as well. So as long as that fire still there, I'm going to keep battling. Man.

I guess one of the saving racist is UM with all this time after not only through the pandemic, but also when you are injured, you could spend a lot more time UM at home with the family. UM. You know, has it been kind of a blessing as as as much as the injury has been, you know, destructive in your life professionally, you get to spend time with with your family, with your with your child and you know, be a dad. Yeah, it's always the bigger picture. You know.

Golf just golf, And I've already thought about if someone turned around so you can never play again. You just gotta take it on the chair, move on. You know, it's not the end of the world, right, It's it's a small part um in relation to a lot of important things. And yeah, having time with family and the little one and having that I think that perspective key this year has been really important not to take it, yeah as as serious, be too hard on myself as

I have done. And a lot of people won't see that obviously, they see like the joker and person en looves to have fun. But away, you know, I'm like working hard. And if I come off a golf course and I'm not happy with something, you know, I take it to heart as well. And how do we give better? How how can I do that? How can I get better? How can we improve that? And I push it too hard?

So it is it's having that perspective, and um, I think, yeah, as I said, next time around, be a lot more yeah bits off for myself, a lot more chilled out. I think it's the key. It sounds silly, but yeah, I need to just be, yeah, a little more chilled out about where my game is that all the time, and not putting too much pressure on myself every every round,

every week. You know, when you when you came out and you were having success and stuff, I think part of the reason why the fans took to you so much as there was someone you were, somebody that they

could kind of that seems really really genuine. You know that that you you had this smile, you had this kind of um enjoyment when you played golf that you know, not so much disbelief, but when you when you were having success, Um, you're I still remember watching your interview when when you want in in Spain and they're asking you what you're doing, You're like, I'm just gonna go

get hammered with my with my mates. I mean, I think that's that's one of the great qualities that you've got, that you You've never been one to kind of give the kind of corporate kind of suit answer that you know, this is the kind of sheet that you read from when you give interviews. You've you've always just kind of worn your heart on your sleeping been you Yeah, because

it's that's a rubbish, isn't it. It's like when when you start going down that room, it's it's not a ship, to be honest, And I just say how it is? That there's nothing wrong with saying how it is? Oh, you're you're you're telling me, like other people don't go when a tournament and geting party and celebrate and get hammered. I mean you're telling me they're going to go home and like clean their golf clubs, like come off it, man, yeah, like so so like just say how it is? Man,

I don't think there's anything wrong with it? Do you do? You feel like we are? I mean, golf is constantly changing, and I think you know, you and I have talked about this, you know privately, golf has to evolve and keep changing in order to get more people into the sport, right, I mean, the sport, in my opinion, just isn't going to reach another new audience if it's more rules, more kind of stuffiness, more kind of you know, you can't wear your hat backwards, you can't look a certain way.

I mean, that was one of the things that I loved about, you know, the way that you were on tour is you're like, hey, this is the way I look, this is why I dressed. This is kind of who I am. And you know there are a lot of people that look at that. No, you know that's not

the way golf should be at all. Yeah, man, And like for as I said, if I wanted to play with my mates and we wanted to have a few beers on the golf course and they've been working a week, working hard a week, and they want to go and relax and have a good time. I have a few beers, play some music, whatever, ware hat backwards. Who gives a ship like this is the thing who cares like it's

your relax it's your enjoyment. Time you go to golf, like to have fun, to enjoy it, not to be told off that like your socks aren't long enough or something something like that. Man Um, I spent a lot of time over the last couple of years I've been working with Patrez and Pat you know, has this enormous Jordan's sneaker collection, and every time he rolls out with a new pair of Jordan's, I'm always thinking about you, Beef going, man, Beef would just want to be a

fly on the wall to look at all. And so somebody last week we're at the Live tournament. Somebody said, um, did you oh, oh you got those? Those are the new ones? Um? And he and he's like, um, were they hard to get? And and Pat goes, yeah, I got him in every color. They sent me a box with like eleven pairs in him. And this guy's mind's just blown that you know that Jordan's just sending Pat

like all these shoes and stuff. Do you think that that's been a big part of it, right, the fact that you know, like Nick Kurios, I mean that's the fact that he walks onto a tennis court were in Jordan's and then puts on like regular shoes and then walks off the court. I mean, I thought it was great this summer when he was at Wimbledon and the reporter was like, why are you wearing you know, Jordan's And he's like, because I want to wear my jas

onto the court. I mean that's what I want to do. Yeah, like, again, is he doing anything that's damaged in the coal? Absolutely? Not hairs. And like the thing I'm interested about is what shoe size is? Pat You want to see if you can get some throwaways? Yeah, I'm saying, yeah, I must find this out. Yeah. He he has become the guy because obviously sponsored by Jordan and stuff. So I mean the amount of players that will come up to him and go, hey, can you get me the elevens

but in in this color? Can you get me this one but in that color? And he's like, man, I mean Brandon Grace last week came up to him and he's like, hey, man, thanks, I really like that. Can you get me two more pairs? And in the other two colors? And that's like what am I? I mean? But one's not enough? That's insane? Man. He's yeah, he's the man. He's the man at the moment. Man, let's take a quick break and we are back. You've had some comments about Live and obviously, um I thought it

was pretty interesting that you said that. You know, obviously, if they came to you and made you a lucrative offer, as as a as a player, as a person, you'd you'd have to take a look at it, Um, the golf landscape, the professional landscape, beef has changed so much in such a short period of time. Um. You know, I can still remember being at the the p g A this year where there were some you know, you heard maybe that Live was gonna make another run there.

We're going to be some guys, um that we're thinking about going. If you look back at you know, May, Um, if someone had told you that everything had happened in the last you know, three months and golf would look like it looks now, would you would you have believed them? Would you be surprised? Um? Have you been surprised at how fast and how quickly um things have changed? I mean, obviously you've played golf on both tours. You've played on the DP World Tour, the European Tour, you've played on

the PGA Tour. I mean, it's it's some crazy ship that's going on in golf right now. It is I think, like, yeah, being injured from an outside point of view, looking in, Yeah, when a lot of people, a lot of players turn around, we're like they've got questions are they moving across? And they were like absolutely not, no chance for going. And then like the U turn started happening and all of a sudden, like they're picking up a lot of players. It seemed to be like every few weeks, a whole

bunch we're going across. And it went from a joke to oh, no, this is serious. It literally went from like like laughing stock almost uh, to to oh and I think like both told oh my god. I don't even think they saw it happening in some respect, to be honest, um, But again it's for me, like I've said, it's something different, which can never be a bad thing. I don't think sometimes competition can be bad as well.

And I think what I've learned is sometimes pja to Europeans or have have not advanced fast enough, they've sat because they're comfortable as well, And I think like that that's never bad to have have a have a good kick up the ass, as you'd say, like they, I think they needed it as well in some respect, so I don't Again, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think it's a new thing and it will figure itself out. Because it's so new, no one knows what's going on, and over time I think it will figure

itself out. Have you been surprised that, you know, everybody has dug in so much. I mean the line now, I mean, it's it's as if there is a a trench, you know, and there's a war going on, and on one side, you've got the PGA Tour, you've got the DP World Tour, and then you've got to live guys on the other side. I mean, it seems like and I mean it seems like no one can be asked any question about golf anymore without it turning back to I mean, you've got Rory McRoy winning tournaments and he's

talking about live you've got you know. I mean, it's it's it's crazy how in a very short period of time something that, like you said, not a lot of people took seriously has all the sudden kind of made the European Tour, the DP World Tour of the PG Tour step up and kind of go, hang on a minute, maybe we've got to start making some changes now. Yeah, definitely, I think, um, yeah they did. They didn't need to make It was just I've seen it. PG still have

made changes, haven't they already. Yeah. It's it's a strange one. Like I'm not a very confrontational person and to be honest, that my opinion, I'm not really bothered, go with the flow whatever. I'm not too fast. Like. People gotta do what they gotta do, and I try not to judge anyones to be honest, and whatever they want to do,

they can go and do if the opportunities there. Right, I think the Live guys have been made out to look really bad, which has been really over the top as well, and it has Yeah, every week just seems like they're arguing about it. It's like I thought, I don't listen to any of it, to be honest, man, it just it just annoys me. Let's just crack on

and play golf. One of the things that I find really interesting is, you know, it was when Henrik Stenson made the decision to step not made the decision to step down from being the Ryder Cup captain, but announced that he was going to live and then the captains he was taken away from him. I find it interesting that one day you're the Ryder Cup captain, you're Henrik Stenson, You've you've won the Open Championship. You know, in an iconic battle with Phil Mickelson, one of the greatest players

of this generation. You know, Hendricks been a huge part of the winning Ryder Cup team. He won the Players championshis he's one all over the world. And the day he decides to go to Live, he's an immediate bomb. He's just a bomb. He was a bomb, and he was never any good and it's no loss and thinking, Okay, he was Wryder Cup captain yesterday and today because he's made a choice to go play with Live. Now he's a barman. He was never that good and he won't

be missed. Yeah, I guess from the Europeans or side, they've got to do something to protect themselves. And again, I don't know what the back and falls be high and all the legal stuff. I mean, I've got literally you're probably asking the worst person. Well, I don't care. I haven't read any articles about it. I'm not fuss I just kind of watch what's going on and be like, oh, he's moved over or whatever. And as I said, that's

their choice, that's their decision. I think Ryder Cup is still going to be great, regardless who's captain, regardless who plays, is still going to be great, and lives going to be there. And I think let's be honest, Henry Stension, he's got a decision to make there with probably the way he had been playing the last year or so, his age, and if he gets an offer again, I don't know what you got offered, but it's very hard to turn down, right, yeah, I mean you're going through

that right now, right You're you're a professional athlete. You know, there's this big thing that you know, Tiger came out at the Open Championship and said, you know, his issue is he has an issue with the guaranteed money, the fact that wears the incentive. But as an athlete now and you're going through this, people can always say that, you know, I just find it interesting that people say

that there's more to life than money. Either don't have money, or they're like Tiger and Rory and they've got jets with their initials on on the engines. Right, It's always that opposite ends of the spectrum. People that say, listen, you know, money isn't important to me and it's not a part of my life. And then you've got people that have some you know, Tiger Woods lives a five iron from my house and in a compound just over the sound here I mean it's it's it's like a

bat it's like a Bond villain house. I mean it's like the bat cave. So you've got that end of the spectrum saying yeah, that guaranteed money, where is the incentive? But here's you're injured, You've got a family, you've got bills to pay. I don't want to people realize that. In in golf, the contracts aren't guaranteed. If you're not playing golf, you're not making any money. There's no money coming in. Yeah, it's not like it's not like you're

playing football or whatever it is. Um, you know, playing the NFL and you've got contracts for X amount of years and stuff like that. We don't have that. You've got to turn up and perform every week. And yeah, like you said, it's very difficult with someone. Yeah you're Tigers rrries. Um, they're not playing for it for money. I don't care. But I'm not Rory. I'm not Tiger Woods, right,

I'm not gonna win eighty tournaments. It's just like, yeah, and the reality of it, it's like turning up to someone and go in, well, here's a lottery ticket, you want it or not? In some of my my shoes. Do you want to win the lot three? You can take it. It's there, and you're going and hang on, does that mean potentially then I could help whatever if if my little one becomes talented it's something, or we

want to send it to a certain school. I have the opportunity to do that by taking that lottery ticket. And you're going, oh, well, if I take it, I can. Now if I don't and I play three months and my thumb goes again, I might not be able to do that. And then that's where it becomes very difficult in a decision, because I'd love to play the Rider Cup, don't get me wrong. And I think it if live golfers can't play majors and stuff, people miss the majors that the experiences I've had at the Open at US

Opens are incredible. But you've got to make a decision and going, hang on, I could look after my family here and that generation maybe the generation after you have. Yeah, you have to put it into perspective. Yeah, it's it's crazy to me that you know, people say that, you know, they don't play golf for money, but you, you, more than anybody, realize that you came up on the European Tour.

When you're not on the p g A Tour, the holy grail is to get to the p g A Tour, right, the holy grail is to get a card on the PGA Tour. And I think for a lot of players, yeah, obviously, it means that you're gonna play against the best players. It means that you're going to play on iconic golf courses that you've seen in the past, that you watched

growing up. But you be more than anybody realized that a ticket to the PGA Tour is very similar to a winning lottery ticket because the opportunity that that avails you if you play well, all of a sudden, you're playing well in a tournament that's got a seven million dollar purse versus a tournament in Hollands that's you know, they're playing for two million. Yeah, I mean, you get

an opportunity to play in the Players Championship. Now, and you look at the prize fund in the Players Championship, the exemptions that that does I mean, the I mean, I remember everybody was you know, the you you get into all the w g c s, it's guaranteed money. There's no cut. I mean we've been talking about that for ten years on the players. Hey, you get into all the invitation as you get into all the majors, you get into all the w g cs. W g CS is basically free money. I mean that's there are

tournaments where there are no cuts. I mean Tiger's tournaments, twenty players, no cut at the end of the year. Yeah. Yeah, I mean those are winning lottery tickets financially if you get into those tournaments. Definitely. Yeah, it is is Yeah, it's exactly, and it's it's stepping stones in it in people's careers. And I said it, you're telling me that, say someone in a job is doing well and say that they get offered ten times the amount of money to go to another job to work a bit less.

Now I'm good, I'm good. I'm gonna stay where I'm at. Yeah, do you know, do you know what I mean? He's not going to think, well, I don't know about my family. I'm not too sure what I should do, should like. And that's the way I see it. What what I don't get? What I don't get You might be able to explain this more from for me, right, is if they offered me like a crazy amount of money. Why players are still trying to go back and play on

other tours. Yeah, I mean, I think from what I can understand from that beef is you know, guys like guys like Phil Um. You know, I've talked to Phil about his stance. He's like, listen, I have life's time exemption on the PGA tour um, you know, based off of how many tournaments I won, and I had that before I made this decision to go to Live Right.

And I think some of the guys that went back and tried to, you know, get into the FedEx Cup, you know, Taylor Gooch, hud Swofford who I talked to, they said, listen, we qualified for this before we went to Live Right, so we I think in their minds, the argument is we should be able to play djson this same boat. Brooks is in the same boat, Bryson's in the ship. All the guys that have won majors in the last five years, they're exempt in the majors,

so they're exempt for however many years, right. DJ's exempt for you know, winning the Masters. Brooks's exempt for winning the majors. He's won Bryson. Phil Mickelson is exempt for I think the next three years, so I think they feel like they should be able to play in the stuff that they've qualified for. Yeah, that's fair. You know. I talked to Patrick Reed after coming back from Wentworth, and you know, he was like, listen, I feel like I should be able to play on the European Tour

because I've supported the European Tour. You know, he's playing, and you know he's playing in the French Open. There aren't a lot of people playing in the French Open this week. You know, they're the superstars are not playing there. Um. You know, there aren't a lot of Americans that are taking the opportunity to ask for or at least to go play in the French Open. Um. And you know, Patrick feels like he has been a supporter of the DP World Tour, not just a supporter of the big tournaments.

You and I both know. It's easy to go play Wentworth, It's easy to go play Abu Dhabi, Dubai Dubai. At the end of the year, if you're an American player and you're a superstars, easy to go play the BMW UM in Germany because there's a BMW's jet taking players from the US Open, and you're hopping on there and

you're getting paid to go do it. Um. I also think it's interesting that it's always been okay for the super stars to get paid to play overseas, and now all of a sudden that players are getting paid to play there seems to be an issue. I don't think. I don't think Rory McElroy should ever get any grief from anybody about being I think you should get paid to play wherever he plays. He's that good a player. I mean, he's he is such a great player. He's

done so many great things. If you want him at your tournament, I don't have a problem with a tournament doing whatever they have to do to get him to play in the tournament. I don't. I don't know fast he's done it. You're talking about one of golf, one of the golf grades, and um, that doesn't bother me. Yeah, if he's at so him, what gets paid to player

has never bothered me at all. Um. I think the way he has played this year beef with everything that you know, he's put on his shoulders that the PGA Tour has put on his shoulders. He has effectively been the the spokesperson for the p g A Tour, and I think the way he has played this year, the golf that he has produced, um, when you're around him. I was around him a little bit. We played a practice round with him at the Open Championship. He played

with DJ. You can tell it's a weight on his shoulders. Have you been surprised how well he's been able to perform with all of the things that that that he's had to do this year. Yes, And though I think, yeah, he's had a head of a lot and the way he's dealt with it, um, I think, yeah, it must be really tough. But when you look at how good he is as well, I'm not surprised as well, because he's just such an incredible player. I mean, it is

it is crazy how good Rory is. I mean, and when he is in full flow, I mean it is so much fun to watch. You know, that run that he made at at at the FedEx Cup this year, at the Tour Championship, I mean you could kind of see on the front nine that he started to come. He's one of those players, wouldn't you say, beef that

when Rory kind of gets on a roll. You kind of sit back at the popcorn and say this is this is going to be fun to watch because it's not always say it like if you put him around the US Open course or a really tough golf course, if he's on, he's going to shoot a number around there, that that's how good he is. And now if someone else's playing, yeah, we can go around golf course and shoot eight nine ted under around golf courses where a lot of people are and it's out there, but it's

the ones where it's not. And when he's on, he could set any golf course and make it look easy. I think that's where I watch it and think sometimes like oh my god, he shot that score around that course or whatever it is, and it will hit shots that other people can't necessarily hit. I mean the way he I mean, you've played with him some of the times.

When you got with Roaring, you you bust to drive and you say, all right, I hit that pretty good, and then he's got the freewheel kind of high bomb nuke draw on it and he flies you by sixty. It's nuts. We played nine holes and over there and a couple of years ago, and yeah, just he hit a couple and I was, oh my god, I was like,

how far is that going? And then even when he was hitting sort of like five ions, what impressed me most is just how high he hits it as well, hit a couple of sort of like mid I and five ions, and yeah, the height on it, and you think you're like, well, yeah, if you're playing into a really firm green or something like that, you need to get it to stop quick. He's got a slight advantage

more than me. I think. One of the other things with all of this live PGA Tour drama, um, it's pissed me off because it's overshadowed some unbelievable golf this year, right. I mean I thought Matt Fitzpatrick, I mean you've played a lot of golf with Matt. Um. I thought the way Fittigue one that us open um the golf was unbelievable. He and the gulf that he and Will's allotors were producing down the stretch, Um, it was. It was amazing.

I think what Scotty Scheffler has done this year. I mean, you know, you burst, you know, you burst onto the scene. You got on a little bit of a run, you know what that feelings like. But to do what Scotty Scheffler has done and win majors, have chances to win every week. I mean the golf this year has just been unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, well Scotty's done this year has been insane. And then like to to win one and then to turn around he taught him a favorite and

win that as as well. I think, Yeah, I was saying about his character and like, yeah, it is the main the way it goes about himself. He said he looks who like children in control, and you're like, I look at him, I think like I was, like, I wish I had some of that. I wish I could take like that what he had there and that calmness. That would be one of the things I'd look at and be like if I could do if I was

put back in that position. There's there's a difference in some of it, and like why everyone is rooting for you. You're not putting too much pressure on yourself and he's just going out and doing what he does and playing and yeah, it's been it's been amazing. Can Open him and Rory's battle at the Open that there's been so much good golf. Man, So let's take a short break and we will be back right after this. All right,

let's get back to the interview. You mentioned that when you're playing good and you know that you're playing good, I'm always fascinated because I'm on the other side of it. Right. My job is to try and help players improve, play well, reach their potential. But when you are on runs beef and you know that you've you're playing good, you know that your swing is in in good shape, you're hitting the shots that you want, You're able to control the

shape the way that you want. Is it hard to, like you said, to to do what Scotty Shuffler has done, which is have a calmness about you when you're in that moment, because I would imagine it's really hard to not put pressure on yourself because you know you are playing well. Yeah, I think it's keeping really grounded. I think that's the key. And like he said, like some of the interviewer has said, and how grounded he is.

I think that's so key because yeah, he's playing good golf and he's like, well, nothing changes, I'm playing great golf. I'm going to keep playing great golf. If I don't play too great, I'm still the same Scotty Cheffler. It doesn't matter, you know. And I think I think that is keeping grounded. And where I blew up, I was like, oh my god, it was like a deer in headlights. I was like, what the fund is going on here? This is insane? Like why is everyone shouting at me?

And stuff like that? And I just couldn't sort of like handle it because I didn't know what was going on. I had no idea what was going on. And like, you watch him and he's just like it could be sort of playing with his mates almost he walks around and it looks it looks like he's been doing that for about their years. Do you think there is a solution in all of this? From a dp World standpoint, from a PGA tour standpoint, from a live standpoint, do you think where do you see this in your opinion

a year from now, two years from now? Do you think it's the camps are the camps? There's one side over here and there's one side over there, and or do you see that cooler heads will prevail and a solution so that we don't have this divide um. Do you see that happening currently? Not at the moment. Do you know what I would love to see? You know, do you ever see the cricket the i p L, the Indian Premier League. I would love to have seen

something like that. So like the PGA DP to or play until August or whatever it is, end of July August, that's their season, right and then you have lived series, but it goes into a draft for the forty eight players every season, so you get people who've had like great years and then they get into this big bonus thing and then they played two three months of live tournaments that are amped up and team events and stuff like that, and you could potentially have the teams with

the draft picking the players. I think I'd sit there and I'd watch the draft to be honest and be more excited. Who's going to pick him in this team?

And you would have like the twelve captains and they can have say who they want to play in their team and see what budget how much they you could pay for players every year, And I think that that could have been so much fun and a massive bonus, and then everyone wins because every wants still playing both tours and then everyone's still trying to hunt to get into the LIFT Series after the season finished. Yeah, I mean I think there are huge opportunities, um, and I

think that hopefully cooler heads will prevail. Do you still think that, um the money aspect um, the guaranteed money aspect, the prize money aspect um. I I think I think it's hilarious where there's you know, there's players going Yeah. I mean you know, if you want, if you're one of those players, then yeah, I mean, you know, maybe lives for you. I'm thinking, isn't everybody one of those players?

Isn't everybody a kind of player that wants to to to make money and and and yeah, winning tournaments is great, but part of winning tournaments is you know you're gonna win a lot of money. Yeah. Again, it's people's choice, right, People got a choice. And that's where I think I'll come a bit unstuck about it. And it was so sort of one sided, and as I hang on, people

got choice there. It's not like, yeah, it's not like nothing crazy is happening, like all the other sports, go get Saudi fund a European Tour dptor playing in Saudi whatever three years ago. So it's like, you can't call it bad that it's Saudi backed in some respects because Formula one goes there, the boxing's being there, whatever it is. And I think the golf has got made to look really bad. But it's people's choice. People have a choice.

They're not doing anything bad. It's people's choice if they want to go and play it. And I think it should be as simple as that. It shouldn't get I don't think it should have been made as bad that people have gone to play. There are a lot of people that think, UM, one of the big losers in all of this PGA Tour versus Live battle is the DP World Tour, the European Tour, that that they are not what maybe they once work um as as a member of the DP World Tour. I mean it's where

you made your home. UM. I know you're you. You have a lot of um allegiances to the tour that gave you a start. Um, Where does the DP World Tour come out in all of this in a year? Car, I don't know. Only time will tell. UM, only time will tell. Obviously they've done that they would PGA Tour and it's the top ten players, isn't it Basically we'll get a PGA Tour card I mean for someone else. So, I mean that's huge incentive. That's a huge that's a massive in setting for me and for a lot of players.

You can't be looking at it from a player point of view, going the highlight the bigger picture, the tour necessarily almost being a feed at all to the PGA doesn't look good. But for the players, you're thinking, hang on it. I've got a good chance of getting over to the PGA Tour as well. So I think from a player point of view, I think we should be

pretty happy about it in some sense. But from where the tour is going and being almost controlled a bit more by the PGA Tour, that's probably not the best thing, is it. Yeah. I mean, so if you've got advice to give, if you could sit with Keith Pelly for ten minutes and say, Pelly, this is what I see things. You know, this is kind of my opinion, and I'm gonna give you my opinion on what I think you

should do. Um, what would be some advice that you would give so that the dp World Tour stays relevant and and keeps good players because my worry, Like you said, if you're a player, yeah, you're gonna want to get to the PGA Tour. You're gonna want to be one of those ten guys that goes. But also every year the ten best players are leaving your tour. Yeah that the this is as a set for a player point of view, it's good. From uh the EP to point,

I don't think it's great. Um. I've always said, well, I've seen both sides of it, and you'll know it as well. A lot of like the guys who are always John Rams, um Fitzpatrick's people like that West, whatever the extents, and obviously they have a minimum amount of events, which is four events because they're doing the players favor

for Ryder Cup. Yeah. I mean to me, that's the crazy thing about all of this is you know this idea of you know, the live guys being bad, but I mean, like you said, to get more guys part of the europe to get the John Rams of the world who are going to play their golf on the PGA Tour. I mean, you've got to play four European Tour events and w G w g C S count Major's count and then you've got to maybe come over and play one the other, and you're probably gonna come play.

You know. Now that Scottish Opens PGA Tour event and co sanctioned, you can come over and do that. And it's not like, you know, Patrick Reid. You know, Patrick Read played a schedule. He played a lot of tournaments in Europe um and not just the big ones, not just the easy ones. I mean I think it's easy. I mean, listen, I love Billy Hoe, He's a hell of a player. But Billy has played what like six European Tour events, and it's not like he played back

to back. He didn't play Czechoslovakia and Holland back to back weeks, right, I mean the guys that have historically gone over from the PGA Tour to the European Tour. I mean, you can't come up with a more definable cherry picking than Abu Dhabi, Dubai, China, HSBC, maybe went Worth and then Scottish Open. I mean, those are those are the big ones. Yeah. See, yeah, I've seen both sides of it, and I just think sometimes they could look after the core of the players a bit better

in some sense. So the guys who playing twenty five events, twenty events year in year out. Other guys are filling the fields every week, and yeah, obviously, and all of a sudden some will get shutted out, like the Scottish Open, which I didn't think was great. They've played, we got asked to play all these tournaments through COVID and and then all of a sudden in one of the biggest events in Europe. And I just think I need to be wary of like looking after the players, the bigger

core of players, rather than the superstars as well. Sometimes I think that sometimes the balance is way off. And yes they're superstars, Yes they do people people want to see, but these are the guys that also have kept the toll going as well in some sense, yeah, for sure, And I think it is I think one of the things to come out of all of this debate between the tour and the PGA Tour and Live is you know, like you said, everybody wants to play on the PGA Tour.

And I don't fault anybody that plays golf on any tour. Um if somebody wants to pay you, I mean, if if Abu Dhabi, Dubai, China, whoever, want to pay you to come. You're not getting paid if you're a hundred and sixty on the money list, You're you're not getting paid to go play other places if you're not. I actually believe that the only way you get paid to play for money is you earn that right through your play.

You can't be a rank and file guy that barely keeps his card every year, that really never contends in big tournaments, doesn't win big tournaments. You're not going to get an offer to go play for money because you haven't earned that offer. They're there for a reason. The players, they're superstars, are there, and they're called superstars because the ones that are playing outrageously incredible golf week in week out,

competing um winning mobile times every year. And I think, and I think, Beef, you know more than anybody, having played both in Europe and in the States, Like any player that would from any tour that isn't you know, whether they're from Europe, Asia, South Africa, any international player that qualifies and gets full status on the PGA Tour, somebody that's done that, you look at them and go

make congrats. Man. That's that's that's life changing. You've now got an opportunity if you play well, to to change the trajectory of your life because you're basically I mean it's a little bit like you're a great striker, you know, in at Celtic Arrangers and then you go play, you get an opportunity to start at Arsenal or Chelsea or Man you and you go, now, now, I'm just gonna

stay up here in Scotland. And you know I'm not gonna be We're not in the Champions League this year, but I'm just gonna I'm gonna stay up here, you know, as as as a football, or if you get an opportunity to go play in England for a big club, if you get an opportunity to go to Spain or Italy and play for one of the Giants as a football or you would look at somebody else on your team and go, we we hate losing you, but mate, you've got to go real Madrid wants you, yeah, go

What else? What else can you say? And that's what I said about the guy has gone over to live. It's like fair play, like no, likee, I don't have an issue with it. Fair play You've got and made that choice. What what what I've said is. I said it the other day and it was like, I don't think if you ask me if massive sums of money like that, I'm playing and live offence. I said, like, obviously you've got the guys that you explained, and I

didn't really realize that obviously. Yeah, they've earned the right to play whatever events through the past that they want to play, because I would never have that. And I was like, I wouldn't take anything thoughts of court. I'd be like, just fire up the barbecue a bit more man hanging out. But yeah, that that made a little more sense thince you explain that. But east of their own man, I'm not fussed you mentioned barbecue. Um through your injury. Um, we've got a beef. We've got a

podcast now beefs Golf Club. And one of the things that I'm super excited about YouTube a barbecue channel. I mean, obviously, if you're gonna have a name nicknamed like the Beef, I mean, what talk to me about talking to me about the grill skills, I mean, and tell me about it. Oh, man, I just love it. I absolutely love it. And where we travel a lot and I'm always looking for restaurants

where everywhere they always cooked over fire. And I've been lucky enough to meet, yeah, a lot of good chefs, and I was picking it or constantly picking their brains. How would you cook that, How would you cook that cat? What would you do with that? And then I was like, hang on, I was like, we need to make a barbecue ce series here because I can't be the only person question how to cook this stuff. And I was like right, I was like, We've got the time, and

I was like, let's just do it. Let's go for it. So, yeah, create a little series called Barbecue Better with Beef, and then yeah, you'll learn how to cook loads of different stuff from paila to big pork chops, big steaks, American style Texas barbecue, um, everything, man. And I think that's the idea, is to have a real big variety and

you could basically cook anything over fire. Some of the restaurants I've been to some of the best things I've eaten, Honestly, some of the edge some of the salads that they've cooked over fire just changes the taste. And I've tried it a few times. I've messed them up a few times. Um, but when you get it right, there's nothing better. Man, There's nothing better than fire cooked food. There's just nothing better. Have you watched um uh Netflix Chef's Table, the first series,

the guy in um, what's that guy? The guy in Argentina that's cooking all the stuff who wears the beret. I mean I watched that episode. I watched that episode. I follow him on Instagram and I watched that and I'm literally I'm like my dog, I'm salivating. There is something about um, you know, traveling in the US. You go to Memphis, you go to the South, you go

to Texas, I mean you get barbecue. So I mean every year in Houston, in Dallas there's that day on the range where they've got the barbecue smoker on the range. I mean, guys are lining up and and and they haven't even started, um serving. It's unbelievable. That was Yeah, that was my biggest problem plan in America. That was the biggest problem. Everywhere. Get to a different set in a blur a right, where can we go and find some more barbecue? Um yeah, I mean yeah, some of

the food I there's just incredible. And again that's enough. That's another bit of motivation for me to get back as well, because as so many more barbecue places I need to try. What, um, what's your favorite? Um, I mean you and you've gotta you've gotta find a way to get Jimmy Walker. Um, you do need to get hooked up because I mean, you talk about somebody that's you know, deep deep, deep down the rabbit hole of grilling.

I mean, he's got this new contraption. Have you seen that thing on his Instagram where it's like a new grill where the where the thing goes up and down. I mean it's unbelievable. I mean, yeah, you gotta read. You gotta reach out to him and see if you can get one. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I follow Instagram and yeah I'm constantly watching what he's doing and stuff like that and any ideas, but yeah, this stuff looks wicked, man. Um. The podcast Beefs Clubhouse, talk to me about that. Yeah,

biggest golf club. It's it's well basically creating the world's greatest golf club. Man. Everyone's welcome and every week we're just gonna be chatting about different topics to do with golf. So it could be literally anything from clothes, bunkers, putting whatever it is and just basically, you know how I am a lighthearted take on on golf and just want everyone to come and listen and join the golf club man and let's have a laugh. Are you excited about

these things that you're able to do that? You're obviously passionate about that right now, even though you are injured. You'd much rather be playing golf. But it gives you another avenue of of an outlet for yourself mentally, for your creativity and for people. Yeah, I mean, I think people kind of have an idea of what you're like on the golf course and that persona, but obviously through social media in two you can you can point the lens back at yourself and people get kind of a

deep dive into what you're all about. I could have sat here for a year not doing anything. I could have said for like a whole season, and I was like, Wow, we've got the time. It's something I want to do, and I like to the things that involve everyone. You know, it's a barbecue in and if we can bring a series where people can come and learn how to barbecue things and try different recipes, try something they've necessarily not necessarily cooked um, why not? Yeah, why not share it?

Same as podcast. It's like, look, let's share golf. Let's have a laugh together. Like, show me some of the best worst shots that you guys have hit, show me some of the funniest clothes you've seen people wear, or whatever. I'll show you. I'll tell you some of the worst shots I've hit, best shots I've hit, whatever. And it's like everyone's welcome. Everyone's gonna have some funny takes on golf and and good and bad. But it's like, let's talk about it together. I had a I had a player.

I think it was last year or maybe within the last two years. I posted on Instagram young kids. You know the kid. You know, we've got his own track. Man. Um, it's got the mural blades. You know, he's got the ten thousand dollar Scotty Cameron Potter, he's got the he's got the tour head from Tailor made. But it's got some you know, ballistic xylon shaft and everything this guy's got. You know, he's got the fifteen thou dollar golf back.

And this kid's trying to play. Look really nice kid, you know, not on any tour and stuff, but I mean his his his his equipment costs more than some people's car. So he's got these, you know, murdered out Mura blades and everything. It's got iron covers, beef on all his clubs, iron covers with the numbers and the p I'm like, your your clubs cost five grand. You've got iron covers on him. He's like, yeah, I've got

to take care of him. Like no, no, this is like, this is like you can't drive up, you can't have a Ferrari and then you know, put a cover over it, right, you gotta let that out. You just keep quiet until he hits a little stone in a fair way. Bunker chips, that's seven chips, the seven nine them head covers will be off. Oh it's one of the worst. Um. Lastly, when do we assue back on the golf course. We've

gotta get you back on the golf course. I don't have an answer, man, um I've got no idea, honestly, no idea. I'm hoping sooner and later, um, as I said, I'm going to try it everything I can and when when the time's right, the time will be right. But I've got no answers, and I just have to be patient, but I'll be back and like I said, I've got a lot of years left and I'm hungry. And my goal, my goal this year, I had one goal and that was to make Ryder Cup team. That that was the goal.

And now that's still possible if I get fit. I've still got a lot of time left. If I can get fit and play a whole season next season, I still believe I can do it. I still believe I can win tournaments. As long as that fires there, I'm still going to keep going. So I'll find a way to get back out on the golf course. I don't know when that would be, but I'll be back out there and I'll still be yeah, as I said, trying to win tournaments, trying to get over to the States,

and trying to play right the Cups. So yeah, that's that's my ambition. Still. Well, we're all pulling for you. We want you to get healthy and silver lining your football team. I mean, talk to me, I mean, how optimistic are I know it's early days, but I mean you've got to feel like you're in You're in a good spot. You know what I said about keeping grounded earlier. It's the same thing that just gotta steak are man. The start, they've had some incredible and like what the

manager's done has been amazing. Um yeah, he's basically swap the whole team out in a couple of seasons. There's there's not many players left that were there when he first come and it's not that's not easy to do, man. So look, I think I think everyone's turned their head and all the fans Arsenal were in a funny place. All the fans were in a miserable place, and he's really changed the atmosphere of it at the moment. Uh so yeah, let's just have fun, man, see where they go.

But it's going to be I think near an import of all. Let's beat man say, let's be honest, Well, just just pump the brakes, manage the expectations. Don't get too far ahead of yourself. Um, look after yourself, mate, and uh everybody listening, we wish you the best and

then and hope we see you back. Um we want to continue to see you doing the barbecue series, but um we want to see you making uh birdies and eagles and and having chances to win golf tournaments made cheers Man, so that was Beef well to thank him for coming on, and I'm I'm definitely rooting for that kid. UM. Hope he gets healthy and hopefully we can see him

back playing golf sometime very very soon. So let's get two questions, UM, how do you deal with expectation management when you're teaching listen as an instructor, as a coach. I think that's one of the things that we're always trying to do with players is manage their expectations. I've a lot of recreational golfers have sometimes really really misguided

UM goals, misunderstandings of their games. So I think your job as an instructor is to is to help your players manage their expectations because I think golfers sometimes they get sidetracked. They think they should be better than they need to be. And I think one of the things that the best players in the world do is is manage their expectations. They know sometimes that shooting you know, two three under UM without their best stuff is a really good score. And I think the average UM recreational

golfers is way way too hard on themselves. UM. And I think if if golfers in general can manage their expectations better then UM, I definitely think they would score better for sure. UM. There's another question, best fundamentals to

work on in the golf swing. Listen, I think there's so much information out there with regards to golf instruction now, and I think, UM, over the course of a year, you know, sive days working with players that are playing competitively and playing on whatever tour they're playing around the world, I think people would be surprised at how much the fundamentals massively affect the rest of the game. UM. Alignment, ball position, Uh, you know, set up stuff, all stuff

that happens before you hit the golf ball. And I think in two a lot of times that stuff just goes completely um under the radar. You don't think about where you're aiming, you don't think about where the ball position is, you don't think about what your posture is, and those things dramatically affect the dynamic movement pattern that you're going to have in your golf swing on how

the golf club is going to be swung. Um. If the ball position gets too far back at the all position gets too far forward, if you're too far too close, if for whatever shape you're trying to hit where you're aiming is is a huge part of this. So UM, I think if you're gonna work on things in your golf swing, the fundamentals they don't change. UM. Grip stance, posture,

alignment is massive. And if you can get into the same set up every time, if you can have the same ball position, distance from the golf ball posture, if that can kind of become part of yours d n A as a player. I think that is a fantastic way to start because a lot of times I think players are working on all this stuff that they think is super super fancy UM, and really, at the end of the day, basic fundamentals UM doesn't take any athletic ability or golf ability to set up to a golf

ball with the right ball position, posture, and alignment. So fundamentals, regardless of what level you're at, still have a massive, massive effect on your ability to hit the golf ball. Uh. So I want to thank everybody for listening. UM. We've got some great episodes. If you haven't gone back and check them out, please do. If you have people that are interested in golf. UM I like to listen and and and hear stories about golf, tell them about the podcast.

The more people we get listening, the better, and um, we're excited. We're gonna have some good guests coming up in the coming weeks. Some of a Bich comes to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.