A year and a half ago, John Cena stood in the ring during Money in the Bank and he announced that he was going to be retiring in twenty twenty five, that this would be his final year in the ring. People began to wonder, you know, what is this retirement year going to look like, and fantasy booking all of the different matches that he could have and all of the old faces that he could step into the ring with.
And of course now we are at the end of the retirement run, and there's going to be a lot said and a lot made about this final year for Sena. The good, the bad, the ugly. There was a lot of it this year. But one decision that I was pretty content with was Gunther as his final opponent. There were some people who did not like the idea of Gunther being this man's final opponent. They think Gunther is boring. I don't see Guntherer as boring. I see gun Through
as a throwback. I see Gunther as the ultimate final boss. I see gun Through as somebody who it's almost impossible to go in there with and have a bad match. So you could at least be assured that John Cena and his final match was going to be able to go out there and have a good outing on his way out right, win or lose, it didn't really matter.
But over the course of this retirement run, there's been a lot of missteps and a lot of men they should have done this, And everybody's going to have their own ideas and opinions on that, and that's cool, right, that's wrestling, that's the discourse online. Everybody can have their own opinion about how things should have gone. I have mine,
you have yours. But one thing that I really felt in the weeks leading up to this show, even though it goes against all conventional wisdom, you would hear from these old school wrestlers that say, you have to go out on your back. You have to go out, you have to go out the right way, you have to do the honors on the way out. You have to leave things better than you left it, and you have to leave it that way because you're gone and whoever beats you is going to continue on. And I understand that.
I understand that concept, I get that idea. Really felt that it would be the wrong move for John Cena to go in there and lose his final match, especially after this run that he has had very mixed bag. Nineteen thousand people there in Washington, DC tonight and men, if these people deserved anything, it was a happy ending. It was to send these people home happy and have one really happy memory of John Cena's final match at
the end of a very mixed retirement run. And it came into tonight and we had the match between these two men, and it will not go down as the best match of John Sena's retirement run. John Cena has had better matches this year. John Cena had a better match with Cody Rhodes. John Cena had a better match with aj Styles. It was not a bad match. They actually went in there. I thought they had a good match. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that it was amazing, awesome stuff because it was, and it
never really reached that level. It actually it got a little repetitive there in the middle after some of those clothesline spots. But as the match went on, you know, they had the people on all the near falls and it was building and it was like, Okay, this is the kind of match I was expecting these dude to go out there and have. But the story coming into the match was Gunther going on television and saying, I'm not just going to beat John Cena. I'm going to
make him give up. John Cena's entire run over the past twenty years has been about one thing, never give up. It's on all of his t shirts, it's on all of his hats, it's on all of his little towels that he comes out. Every single time he comes out, we see the little towel, never give up, all the little kids running around, never give up. Right, It's his whole mantra. This entire Babyface run over the last two decades has been built around this idea that you never
give up. And they really wanted you to believe coming into the show that Gunther was going to make this guy give up. And I said it even as late as last night in the SmackDown review, I say, I would be stunned if they go in there and the one thing that they do is they have this man tap out verbally submit. Nobody really does that anymore. That used to be the way it was done before Ken Shamrock came in, but now everybody taps out. I would be stunned if they went that route. As the matches
going on. We see Gunther with the sleeper hole. He's trying to put John Cena out, but he keeps fighting out of it. And I loved it because they did the spot where the arm drops once and then the arm drops twice. When was the last time WWE did that? They've been doing the one arm drop now for years, but all of a sudden tonight it's the old school way of doing it. But nevertheless, but then John Cena
he's still in it right. He keeps fighting and he's fighting, and he's fighting until ultimately he can fight no more. Gunther has him in the sleeper hole. The fans are the fans are literally chanting at him, don't give up? And what does John Cena do? How do they decide to end this match here? How do they decide to end this retirement run by having John seen a look And I don't know if he was looking at his wife or who he was looking at. He was looking
at somebody in the crowd. He didn't look particularly bothered by being trapped in this sleeper hole. He had a smile on his face. Perhaps he was resigned to his fate. I'm sure there are people that will argue, well, can't you see the story that was being told here? This man was trapped at a hold he knew from which there was no escape. Everything he was trying to do to this man wasn't working. He had no choice but
to tap out. And what followed was the most half hearted tap out that you will ever see in a professional wrestling match, as the man goes out tapping with a smile on his face and not since the Undertaker's streak was broken at WrestleMania, have you seen a crowd this stunned, stunned, little kids in the crowd, crying, people with their eyes wide open. Right, this is what they were going for. They were going for the moment, They
were going for the visual. They had the camera all prepared and ready for all the crowd shots, for all the shock fans in the audience. They weren't too happy about what they saw. Gunter beat John Cena by making him do the one thing that he told everybody, never do, never give up. Now, you could say that there's some sort of poetic justice in that. You could say that's some sort of metaphor story there to it. All I saw there was a finish that was completely and utterly horrendous.
I disagree wholeheartedly with that finish, and obviously the crowd of Washington, DC did as well. But you can understand why because a lot of people in the building tonight, nineteen thousand people basically gave their first born away to get tickets to this show. That is not the outcome that they were hoping for. At the end of this show, Triple H comes out with the rest of the locker room when the match is over, and boyd they didn't
like Triple H either. They let him have it. Fuck you, Triple H, you fucked up, serenaded with Chance from this crowd. He was the biggest heel in the building. Triple H ended up being a bigger heel than Gunther. The final visual or one of the final visuals and parting images of John Cena's retirement will now be Triple H being booed out of the building in Washington, DC and being serenaded by Chance of you Fucked Up. That is now
one of the lasting images of John Cena's retirement. And my issue isn't even that they had Gunner win the match. I would have preferred to see John Cena get the win because sometimes you know, what for the crowd, and not just the crowd in Washington, but just the audience in general. It's just the right thing to do. You talk about moments, you talk about reading the room right, Reading the room is not something the WW He did very well tonight. But I don't even have an issue
so much with gun Through winning the match. It's the way in which he won the match. I think that was a horrendous decision. And I can't sit here and tell you for sure that it was even Triple H's final decision. It probably was. Maybe it was John Cena who went to them and said this is the way
that I want to go out. I find that hard to believe, because all we've been told this entire time, including by Sena himself, is how deferential he is to the powers that be, how deferential he always was to Vince McMahon, how deferential he is to Triple H. He doesn't rock the boat, he shows up to work, he's a loyal soldier, he does what he's told, he doesn't push back. Now I'm supposed to believe that John Cena came in and said this is the way that we're
going to do things. Maybe it was you know what, even if it was John Cena's decision, I hope he's content with his decision because he deserves to be. He deserves it. John Cena has put over twenty years of blood, sweat and tears into this company, has gone in there year after year after year and busted his ass and worked his way up the ladder, and has had tons of classic matches, seventeen World Championships, all the make a Wish stuff, all the stuff that he has done for
this company over two decades. He deserves to go out the way that he wants. To me. This reeked of a WWE creative decision that, you know what, the ultimate thing for us to do, We're gonna have John Cena go in there and give up. Boy, what a rub that'll give to Gunther. So now I have to sit here and I have to, I'm sure, wade through comments about well, you know, it's all about the future. Yes, yes,
forty year old Gunther is the future. It's all about the future, and it's all about giving gun through the rub. As if Gunther beating John Cena it any other way wasn't enough of a rub for him to go out there. From this point on, and say that he was the man who retired John Cena. I'm the man who put John Cena out. Had John Cena gone stone cold unconscious, let's say in the Sleeperholder, I'm the man who pinned John Cena's shoulders to the mat. You would have gotten
plenty of rub out of that. You want to prepare Gunther for a big match with brock Lesner. I don't really see what major difference that would have made. But instead, what you did is you gave the fans the most deflating possible finish to the man's final match. And on top of all that, and on top of the crowd rebelling and turning against this finish, and it got ugly there. It got ugly at the end, and frankly, you know,
John Cena didn't deserve that in his final match. That this is now going to be the story of the match. But beyond that, they play a tribute video to John Cena and we get to watch him in picture and picture as he's watching this video. And then when it's over, John Cena does what many wrestlers do when they have wrestled their final match. Undertaker did this. It wrestled mania thirty three when he thought he had wrestled his final match.
Probably should have, but there in Orlando, took the jacket off, right, took the gloves off, took the hat off, left it in the middle of the ring. We just saw the Dudley Boys and the Hardy Boys at the TNA bound for Glory pay per view at the end of their ladder match. Right left their boots in the ring, gave their boots to Matt and Jeff Hardy. That's what you do. John Sena takes off his sneakers and he takes off the armbands and he leaves the ring. No comments, no
postmatch speech, nothing. So as if the finish wasn't bad enough and that wasn't deflating enough, they didn't even get to hear from John Cena. He just left. He saluted everybody, and he was gone like a flash in the wind. And so ends a twenty plus year career, in my opinion, in the most deflating possible way, after a very mixed bag of a retirement tour. This will be a finish that will be debated by people. I'm gonna get all kinds of comments from people, Oh you're wrong, this is
how it had to be. This is how it had to be. He had to tap out. No he didn't, No, he didn't. And the fact that he did, and did so in the most anti climactic way possible, it was almost an appropriate way, frankly for his final match to
end on this retirement tour in many ways. You know what, Maybe it was apropos that it ended the way that it did, But I just think that sometimes you know what you do what's right in terms of the story, and you do what's right in terms of what you think is going to be an appropriate ending to that story. I think John Cena should have won. The fact that Gunther won, fine, they're gonna build him up for some big match at WrestleMania. He's now going to be the
career ender. He's going to be the legend Killer, now the new legend Killer. He retired Bill Goldberg, he retired John Cena. He'll probably retire AJ Styles and they'll have a really good match next year, and so on and so forth, and you know what, I hope it all works out for them. But it's not as if if the finish had gone a different way and he won in different fashion, that it would have negatively impacted his perception among wrestling fans that it would have somehow negatively
impacted the perception of Gunther as this destroyer. He would have been just fine, but you would have been able to give the crowd at least something to hang their hat on. This is a man who spent twenty years saying never give up, and in the end, even though this man wanted him to, guntherer literally was in the middle of the ring on Raw Monday night telling us
I'm going to make you give up. Right. We got no response from Seena because he wasn't around to promote the match, and then you just go in there and he does exactly what he said he was going to do, instead of having John Cena say you know what, I'm not gonna do it and let him go out cold. Even that I could have accepted, and frankly, the fans, while they would have been disappointed, I think they would have been able to stomach that a little bit better.
But now they're getting a lot of backlash for that finish. What do you expect People paid a lot of money to come to this show to see John sate his final match, and that's the ending you give them. You can't fault the fans for being upset and rebelling against the finish or the fucking match. It's not like the fans were missing the point here. I think the fans have a right to be upset about it. I don't
blame them. They went with the one finish that I said this would be the worst finish that they could do. And that is how John Cena's career comes to an end. Selfless until the very end, because the story about John Cena in the last several years of his career is that again, he is willing to do whatever he thinks is going to be good for the company and whatever
the company expects him to do. And if this is what the company expects him to do, then you know what, He's going to go out there and he's going to do it to the best of his ability. But I think what ends up happening sometimes is you do it to the detriment of the show. You're telling stories. You know, they fancy themselves as storytellers. We tell stories, and yes, sometimes those stories aren't happy stories. Sometimes those stories don't
have happy endings. I get that not every retirement on origunately can be like stings retirement, which was fucking awesome last year, but not every retirement is going to be that way. Sometimes guys are going to go out on the losing end of things. I just think the way they went about doing it tonight was horrendous, and I think it's sad that part of the lasting image now will be of these angry fans chanting at the booker when he came out to the ring and saying fuck
you Triple H. You fucked up. Yeah you did, you fucked up. But it doesn't take away from the career that John Cena has had. He's had a very blessed career. John Cena has had a more, frankly, a more blessed career than most Hall of famers right now in the WWE Hall of Fame. The longevity that this man had on top for so many years, and we could get into the reasons why that was, and maybe sometimes at the expense of Vince McMahon pushing other people who were
getting over and had their legs cut off. Whether or not you want to blame Sena for that is irrelevant, but the point is this man had a run on top that was longer than frankly most of the major names that you would think of that are probably on many people's Mount Rushmore's. Even Hulk Hogan didn't have as many years on top. During his first run in WW his first major run as John cenahead, John Cena had him beat by about a year year and a half. Stone Cold Steve Austin the Rock Randy said, we can
go up and down the list here. Doesn't mean that John Cena is the greatest of all time. Of course, that's a very subjective thing. He's not my goat. He may be your goat. He's certainly in the conversation. But wherever you think he falls in that pecking order, the last year will not define his entire body of work. And the fact is he has a very impressive body of work. When you look back on all of the matches that this man has had in his career, and
some of those great matches happen this year. Unfortunately, I think we could have gotten more of them, and we had that terrible heel turn, which never should have had happened in the first place, twelve years too late. I think that he'll turn twelve or thirteen years ago would have been fucking amazing, But it didn't happen, so that story will be told about the final year for John Cena. As far as this show was concerned, one thing John Cena made it very clear that he wanted to do
coming into it. He wanted to shine a spotlight on the future and have other matches involving talents from NXT. So we had Obafemi, the NXT champion on this show. We had soul Ruka, who was going to be a future women's World champion guaranteed. We had Leon Slater and Javon Evans. We had the TNA X Division champion on Saturday Night's main event, so that was very cool. There really were no bad matches on the show. Every match
was at least good. There was nothing blow away on this show, and there was the potential for that, but they kept many of the matches very short. I don't know, I mean, I don't even know how long did the main event go. The main event was clearly the longest match on the show, but most of the matches on the show, I don't think what longer than maybe ten minutes or so, so a lot of them never really
had time to get going. You had Cody Rhodes and Obafemi, who of course had the screwy finish thanks to Drew MacIntyre, which everybody should have seen that coming. But boy, did Obafemi show up tonight and make a statement. People love to throw the word aura around when people walk at Oh this guy, he's got aura, right, this woman has aura. Obafemi has aura. Obafemi walked out there tonight. That's a guy that you can build this company around for years
to come. People talk about bron Breaker and other people, Obafemi is at the top of that list. Soul Ruka as far as the women's division, she's also in that top mix going forward. Javon Evans twenty one years old. I mean, my god, he's still so young. But you could see the potential in him as well. So John Cena at least was able to, you know, make one request, which was, I don't want this night to be just
about me. I understand it's my retirement, so a lot of it's going to be about me, but let it also be about the other people who are coming up, who are on the ascent like I was when I walked out there and I accepted that open challenge from Kurt Angle in two thousand and two. So I actually thought, as far as Saturday Night's main event shows are concerned, this was one of the better ones that they've done this year. But man, that finish and the way it was done is going to leave a very sour taste
in people's mouths. And I do not blame the fans one iota. They have every right to feel that way. You know. Again, sometimes you do a finish that in the moment, yeah, it pisses you off, but like you look at it and go, man, this was the right thing to do. I just don't think this was the right thing to do. I don't think gunn Through winning in the way that he did needed to happen that way. I think you could have had a compromise where he wins,
but you give seen a little something. He goes down fighting. There was no struggle there. Whatever story they were trying to tell, or he was trying to tell with that smirk on his face, for me, anyway, it didn't work. It came off as lame and it's too bad because I take him at his word. There will never be another John Cena match ever. Again, what we saw tonight
is his last match. This will not be a Terry Funker, a Mick Foley retirement, or anybody any other number of wrestlers that have said I'm done and then they come back He's finished, and so for it to happen that way, I think was a shame. Match itself was good, the finish was not, and I'll let you all debate that in the comments. This is your Saturday Night's main event review for John Cena's final match. It is December thirteenth, twenty twenty five. I am the Solemn Monster. Like and subscribe.
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I wish, I wish. We started with shots with shots of Sean Michaels, Johnny Gargano, there is that's the new Superchat super Cyan Sena. It's the new ten dollars Superchat, just just the special for Sena's retirement. Shawn Michaels, Jonnie Gargano, Trish Stratus, Kurt Angle, Mark Henry, they had the Punisher. They had Shane from The Walking Dead actor John Burnhal, who actually I think is oh god, what is he? Is he Kurt Angle's nephew or cousin. He's related to
Kurt Angle, I think by marriage. So he was there. We got a shot at him in the crowd. Rapper Metro Booman was there, so then we got a video retrospective of seeing his career, and then it was time for some actual wrestling, saying did I say it wrong? Super saying okay, thank you. See my understanding is that when it was translated from Japanese to English, the translation was actually incorrect. So there's a lot of people who say the word wrong. So I thought it was saying
you're telling me. It's saying, well, I'll take your word for it. You know more about dragon Ball than I would. So Cody Rhodes is the WWE champion. He entered first. I like that. I like that cause you can't really go wrong here, right, you got two champions coming out. Normally the champion entering first would annoy me, but since they're bold champions, it's okay. Can I just say Obafemi his entrance? I know this is his entrance from NXT. The way they produce and shoot his entrance is fantastic.
You see the shadowy figure, you get the music, he comes out, he's doing the dance right. This guy's gonna be fucking money, man. This guy's money. So he makes his way out to the ring, and you know, they pointed out on commentary that he was discovered through their Next in Line program three years ago. So think about this. Think about where he is right now. He was not wrestling before he was discovered for his athletic background three years ago. He's been doing this for three years, and
look how far he's already come. Think about where he'll be a few years from now right, it's kind of scary. So anyway, this was his first main roster match, hopefully not the last one he'll have in these next few months. So he won the chance here to wrestle Cody by regaining the NXT Champion from Ricky Saints at the NXT Deadline show last weekend. Femmy typically, you know, overpowers his
opponents in his matches. This was no different here. He was doing the same thing here with Cody throwing him around. There was an early spot where Cody went for that drop down thrust that he does. Oba just reached down and just grabbed him. He just snatched him and brought him back up to his feet like a child. So Femmi hit a backbreaker and he was starting to pick apart Cody. Obo whipped Cody into the corner and Cody
started throwing some punches. Oba didn't like that, so he picked up Cody and he bealed him halfway across the ring again like a small child. Cody did dodge a charge in the corner and went for a power slam. Yeah, that snap power slam that he does. He couldn't get him up. Oba just looked at him, so he stuffed that attempt and then hit a power slam of his own. Every time Cody would throw a kick at Oba, Oba just shook it off and he would deliver one of
his own. So Oba charge into the corner. Cody moved and that sent Oba into the ring post shoulder first. So Oba now he staggers back and Cody does hit the snap power slam this time. Then he hits a Cody cutter and Oba kicks out at two. Cody tried another cutter, but Femi caught him and Cody twisted Femi out over the top rope to the floor. He went for a dive out after him, Oba caught him with an uppercut on the way through. Before Cody could even
leave the ring, so Oba charged in the ring again. Cody, though pull down the top rope that sent Oba out of the ring. Cody followed with a suicide dive over by the aisleway by the way, I forgot to mention Jesse the body Ventura was back tonight. Now, he was not on the actual show, but if you were watching the pre show, they had him as part of the panel multiple times. And I love it because it's just
Jesse being Jesse. Jesse's always very practical, and Jesse the Know talking about how seen as a seventeen time world champion, and Jesse says, yeah, but there's one thing you got to remember. If he won it seventeen times, that means he lost it seventeen times. And that's not something that I would be bragging about. And I thought to myself,
you know what, He's right, He's right. If you would have asked me if I was a wrestler, would I rather have like one really long title run or would I rather have like ten shorter ones, I would want the one long title run. To me, that's more impressive, right, thirteen hundred days Roman Reigns is the undisputed champion. That's far more impressive than if Roman Reigns won the title eight times and then lost it eight times. Jesse's right.
As always, Jesse is right. So it was good to see him back, but he was not on the actual show. So back in the ring, Cody came off the ropes, Book caught him and hit a great spinebuster for a near fall, and the crowd was really with him here. Crowd was super into this. Femi clothes lined him over the top rope. He went to the outside and he's kind of Cody's over by the announced desk and Oba is kind of stalking him, and he comes like bron breaker.
He's rounding the bend and he comes charging in. Now, if you have a guy as big as Oba Femi and he is running towards you, okay at an increased rate of speed, First of all, I would probably shit myself and with any luck, it might actually leak out and fall on the floor, and then he would slip and fall right and that would be my opening. See, that would be my strategy. But here that didn't happen. Instead, he comes charging in with this running uppercut and both
mango flying over the announced desk. Oba took a pretty rough bump onto the announced desk and then bounced off and landed on the floor. Cody, though, got the worst of it because he came up bleeding from the ear. And the first thing I thought of was Travis Scott at the elimination chamber. When Travis Scott busted his ear drum, I'm like, ah, that's just what he needs. Another busted
ear drum here in twenty twenty five. Hopefully it was just something superficial but as the match went on, I mean, he was bleeding pretty good, to the point where the blood was kind of smeared across his jaw and it almost looked like, well, is it coming from his ear or his mouth? Clearly it was coming from his ear though. So back in the ring, Femi planted Cody with a choke slam, only got a two count. Cody came back with a Cody cutter, and now both men were down.
Now at this point in the match, the fans begin to stir. There's a commotion in the crowd, and I knew exactly what was about to happen. I knew exactly who was coming out. They weren't showing him. But then, sure enough, who shows up at ringside. It is Drew McIntyre. He suspended Drew McIntyre, who slides into the ring and he attacks Cody for the very lame disqualification. Fans booed they did not like this finish, not the only finish on this show that they would be booing before this
night was over. Oba popped up. He also wasn't happy about this, so he pulls McIntyre off of Cody. The two of them share a stare down now the fans are getting into this. They like this. So McIntyre is like putting his finger at his chest and Oba shoves him back on his ass and his McIntyre gets back up to his feet, Cody comes off the ropes, takes him down with a Cody cutter, and then Oba puts
the exclamation point on things with a choke slam. So Drew McIntyre still jobbing then, now and forever, poor Drew. And you know what, I'd like to say that I'm confident that when he and Cody get back in the ring together, I'm guessing on January second, he might actually win the championship this time. I cannot sit here and tell you that I am terribly confident about that, although I will say if they're gonna do the match, that
there's really no reason to do it. If not to put the title and Drew, are they actually going to follow through and do it, that's a different story. So Cody grabs both belts and he hands actually tossed the NXT Championship to Oba, and he went to go raise Oba's arm and the crowd cheered. Oba then raised Cody's arm and they shook hands. So we have a mutual respect here between these two champions, but no clear winner because they wanted to play it safe and they didn't
want to beat anybody. Now, in a perfect world, Oba Fem, you would have gotten the biggest win of his career here and pinned the WWE champion. And I think Cody is enough of a mad guy that it wouldn't have really hurt him. But I get it. I understand them wanting to pin Cody Rhodes, and I definitely did not want to see Oba Femi take a pin here in his first main roster match. I mean, it's against Cody,
but still so I get it. I get it. But too often WWE does this where they have to play it safe, Right, we can't beat this guy, we can't beat this woman, so we'll have to just play it right down the middle. We'll have a no contest, we'll throw it away. You know, after a while, it just gets tiresome. They're afraid to take chances, that's what they That's the real issue with the booking a lot of the time. But I understand why they did this here.
Was it a cop out finish, Yes, yes it was, but they did it in a way that I think was smart because if you were going to do a cop out finish like this, do it in a way where you piss the fans off, but then you give them a moment right where they can cheer and be happy. And also you give Oba a moment to shine because Oba's like, yeah, what the fuck dude? Right, and Oba beats up Drew, So you make Oba look strong, right because he didn't ask for this, So let me play
this guy down, which is what he did. He put Drew McIntyre down. That's the right way to do it if you're gonna do a finish like that. But also it's it's interesting, is what we saw tonight a hint at maybe a direction for Oba if he's gonna be called up soon to the main roster. Is there a potential WrestleMania match between Obafemi and Drew McIntyre, Because I was thinking about that. If Drew McIntyre's not going into
WrestleMania as the WWE champion, okay, and he's not. He's not going in into the champion, even if he wins the belt from Cody in their next match, He's not going into WrestleMania as the champion. What does he do at WrestleMania. Now Oba is the NXT Champion. I don't want him to be the NXT Champion for longer than he needs to be. Obafemi should be on the main roster starting in the Royal Rumble. I would have him
drop that championship in New Year's Evil. I'm gonna I'm gonna say they run back Oba and Javon Evans with Ricky Saints thrown in. We may get a triple thread on New Year's Evil. Since Javon already got his match and lost, and you can beat Oba without him having to take the loss, It's perfect. You could put the NXT Championship back on Ricky Sains at New Year's Evil
without Oba Femi even taking the losing fall. You could build to Ricky Sains and Javon Evans at Stand and Deliver, and you can debut Oba in the Rumble and let that be his official call up to the main roster and SmackDown specifically because SmackDown fucking desperately needs somebody like him. Drew McIntyre is on SmackDown Oba, and Drew is a WrestleMania match. Shit, sign me up. I'm all for that. I think that'd be a great idea. As far as this match here, I love the dominance. Oba was pretty
freakin' dombina. I mean, the way they portrayed him in this match was pitch perfect. Everything Cody was doing, most of it was working. Oba looked really good here in this match, and I think he was portrayed exactly the way that he should be. So I like this. I thought this was good. I can't say it was great. You can't have a great match when it's that short with a terrible finish like that. Those are just two strikes against it. But what they did here I thought
was good. Now we have Bailey again soul Ruka. This is our lone women's match here on this show. Bailey, of course representing Monday Night Raw. She came out with Lyra Valkyria in her corner and we had soul Ruka out with her tag team partner Zaria. Bailey came out with a big smile on her face when she saw Trish Stratus in the front row, she went over to go hug Trish and do you know who was sitting
next to Trish, Eve Torres? Eve Torres. I had a crush on Eve Torres I thought Eve was just fantastic. Eve is a beautiful woman. She looks the same to me like Eve is still a beautiful woman. And Eve is somebody who actually did make improvements in the ring. I'm not saying that, you know, she's a Hall of Fame Women's wrestler or anything like that, but she and Candice Michelle were two women from that Diva's era who
I felt made noticeable improvements in the ring. And of course Eve had a storyline at one point with John Cena, remember her and Zach Ryder and John Cena, And she kissed Sena, So that's the connection there with her. I can't remember the last time we've even seen her on WWE television so many many years they usually don't bring her back, so it was good to see her. She was in the front row, so Bailey got a headlock right off the top and she transitioned into a wastelock takedown.
Ruka took down Bailey with a flipping Rana head scissor, followed by an X factor. Bailey rolled to the outside to try to recover, and she was able to lure Ruka to the ropes. When she got there, Bailey hung her up on the ropes, so the fight moved out to the apron. Soul kicked Bailey to the ground, hit a PK right to the face. She went to go for a flip from the apron, Bailey moved out of the way, Soul turned around, she got mowed down, so
Bailey threw her back inside. Ruka though, planted a kick right in Bailey's face, sent her right back out, and then she hit a handspring moonsaal out over the top rope and landed on top of Bailey. And it's funny because a friend of mine was watching the show with his family and they had never seen Soul Ruca before. They don't watch NXT. They don't know anybody from NXT except you know, Joe Hendry, and he's texting me during the show. She's got four new fans now, just from
this one match. Sol Ruka got four new fans, at least just from this one match. They're very impressed by what they saw from her here in this match and her gymnastics and her tumbling background. The only thing I fear for when it comes to Soul are her knee. She's already had an ACL operation right she had the brace or still had the brace on her knee. When you're do in a lot of those flips and you know, the over the top moon salts and stuff and landing
on your feet, you gotta be careful. You know, there's been an epidemic of knee injuries and ACL tears with that NXT Women's division over the last few years. That's the only thing I worry about with her. But she stays healthy. Sky's a limit for her. So anyway, Ruca put Bailey back in the ring went for a springboard splash. Bailey, though moved and Soul crashed and burned. She eventually recovered, though she went for another springboard, walked right into a
Bailey to belly souplex, only for a near fall. Ruca came back with a kick and a backslide. Bailey, though transitioned into a rose plant. Soul though countered it with a shining wizard kind of and then she went for a springboard. Bailey, though, caught her in another rose plant and Bailey made a cover, but she pulled her legs back so far it gave Soul enough room to get
her foot on the ropes. So her being close to the ropes is what saved the match for her on that rose plant, so Ruka then ended up hitting the soul Snatcher. You can't feature you can't showcase this woman on a show like this and not have her use the soul snatcher, right, It's one of the best finishes I understand, like in a lot of situations. Yes, it does look very contrived, but even still, it is one of the best coolest looking finishers in all of WWE.
Anybody watching Soul Ruka hit that move for the first time, especially like even a non wrestling fan, they see her hit that move instant fan, so of course she was
gonna use it here. So she hits it and Bailey is like, she's kind of sitting up like she's stunned, and then she slowly falls down, but it looks like she's almost trying to roll out of the ring, and Soul grabs her and she's trying to drag her to the center of the ring and it's taking too long, and as she drags her in, I guess Bailey was playing possum because she yanked Soul in for a roll up, but then Ruka reversed it into a roll up of her own, and she got the flash Pin to win
the match. So then after the match, Zari is all happy. She gets into the ring to celebrate with Soul. Lyra is comforting Bailey. I'm not sure what she's gonna do here, but she walks over and she shakes hands with Soul. Bailey had all four women hold up their arms together and they all saluted in tribute to John Cena. So this was fun. This was fun. It was the right decision.
It was the right decision. And I even said in my predictions, I said, of all of the WWE against NXT matches, I had Soul Ruca coming out of this with the win. I just didn't see Oba Femi getting a clean win over the WWE champion, and I didn't see it going the way of the NXT guys in the tag match. But you can't have a show like this and not put someone over from NXT. You have to someone's got to get a win by process of elimination. That someone seemed to be sol Ruka, So that's exactly
what happened here. She's another one like Oba who I think would really be a very productive addition to that SmackDown Women's I mean that SmackDown Women's Division right now is just dude, it's on life support. Like it is on life support. Okay, you see the little thing flickering. It's got a pulse, not a very strong one. It needs help. The show is going to three hours in a few weeks. You're gonna have to call up more people than just Lash Legend from NXT, sol Ruka, maybe
even sol Ruka and Zaria together, Fatal influence. Jordan Grace. What she'd been doing, not much of anything lately. She's been losing a lot. These are people that would not only benefit from being and having new people to work with, but boy, that SmackDown Women's Division, that SmackDown Show could really use people like that. So soul. Oh, but these are all faces that hopefully we'll see up on Ron SmackDown in the new year. And then Bailey, I don't know.
There was no indication that she was going to snap or anything like that. I guess we'll find out on Monday, you know what her reaction is to this loss. But what we got here from these two was good. You know, it was for sol Ruque. It was a very basic showcase. But I thought what they did is what they needed to do. Now. After this, they showed a bunch of other dignitaries that were at the show, including Rob van Dam.
Actually it was a video with comments from Rob van Dam, Seamus, Corey Graves, Becky Lynch, Michael Hayes, stew the cameraman, Michael Cole, Cody Rhodes, the Undertaker, and the rock who dropped the video on social media earlier. Today. Didn't talk about John Cena's soul, He just put him over and talked about all their great times together, all their matches together. Michelle McCool, Mark Henry and Rob Van Dam were then shown live
in the crowd. RVD is Always over RVD to the whole RVD and everybody, all nineteen thousand people in Washington, d C. Did it right along with him. It's good to see he was actually able to move around and stuff. I mean, I know he broke both of his heels earlier this year, and so he was basically incapacitated there for a while. And I don't think he's wrestled since I think he broke them. I think he was in was it like a Battle Royal in MLW, Maybe like
a Battle Riot or something. I don't know what it was. But seems to be healing okay, so that's good to see. They also showed sammy' z ain. He was right there in the front row with his son, so that was cool.
And then they cut to the announcers or ring side, and it was Michael Cole and Wade Barrett on commentary, and Michael Cole said he wanted to give a shout out to all of the announcers that he has had the privilege of working with over the years and calling all of these John Cena matches with, including Taz, who, of course, along with Michael Cole, called John Cena's very first match John SmackDown back in two thousand and two. Michael Cole and Taz one of the better commentary duos
that that company has ever had. They're not going to be at the top of anybody's list, probably, but they were a very good team there for a while. So he shouted him out. He shouted out JBL who he said coined the phrase big match, John Corey Graves, Jim Ross, and Jerry the King Lawler. Shout out, by the way, to the twenty eight hundred people hanging with us here tonight talking about Saturday Night's main event. Get those messages on and I'm going to be reading them here in
just a little bit. You have questions, comments, or anything else. Yes, did somebody say soul soul? Ruka is okay, but let's not talk about souls around the rock. I miss when wrestling commentary was loose like Taz used to be. Are you saying Taz was loose? I don't know. Maybe you know more about his background than I do. I thought he was a good announcer. I don't know beyond that. I don't know. I don't know what you're referring to. But I know when brock Lesnar used to come out right,
he had that signature, here comes the pain right. Taz had his little things right, and TNA was like, let them puppies loose, or let them pigeons loose. The pigeons with the beautiful people, same thing. I guess AJ Styles and Dragon Lee they are the World Tag Team Champions. This was not a title match, but they were in action. This was a completely randomly announced match on Monday, but I was okay with it because this was a match
I was very much looking forward to seeing. It was AJ and Dragonly against Javon Evans, and the TNA X Division champion, Leon Slater. Evans got a good reaction coming out, less so for Leon, but it's understandable. I mean, there were a lot of people in that building who probably just didn't know who he was. If they're not watching TNA, they're not watching NXT, then you know, what do you expect. I mean, you gotta give people some background on this guy.
It's not like he was on Rawn SmackDown and the lead up to this match. So he got a respectful but not I wouldn't say terribly strong reaction, but this was good exposure for him. It was good exposure for TNA. They acknowledged TNA he had his X Division title with him. Evans and Slater, they didn't waste any time they wrestled this match, like they just got told, Hey, your time got cut. That's what this felt like, like, Hey, we
better get off to the races. Right out of the gate, and they super kicked Lee and Styles out to the floor right away. Javon did a dive out onto aj Leon did a dive out over the ring, a twisting dive out over the ring post onto Dragon Lee. This was all in the first like thirty seconds of the match Evans and Slater. They isolated Dragon in their corner, tagged in and tagged out. They were delivering some splashes and kicks and forearms, and Dragon Lee managed to kick
his way free. He pulled the top rope down to send Javon out to the floor. Slater came in. He tried to close line, but somehow Lee countered and worked into a sitout power bomb Evans and Styles. They made tags. AJ hit a leaping forearm and a neck breaker. Styles then went outside. Evans followed with a moon salt and nobody was home and Dragon Lee hit a flying rana on Slater that sent him into the waiting arms of
AJ Styles. And the fans really got excited here because they thought AJ was going to give this guy a Styles clash on the floor. And meanwhile, before he could do it, he turned around and he ate the foot of Javon Evans, who caught him with a superkick right to the face. So back in the ring, Evans hit a massive og cutter from god what was it like twelve feet in the air, followed by swanton four point
fifty from Slater. Slater went for the pin, Dragon Lee broke it up we got this is awesome chance here from the crowd, Lee hit a big dive out onto Evans while Slater set up Aj in the ring. Styles Though reversed it and he tried to go for a styles clash. Slater worked out of it. It led to Aj Though setting up for a phenomenal forearm on the apron and unfortunately this doesn't happen very often with AJ Styles, but he went for a phenomenal forum and he slipped.
He slipped, and he fell off the top rope, and I was like, ah, this is not the night that you know AJ wants something like that to happen here, man. But I have to give credit to Leon Slater because he improvised very quickly. He improvised into a quick pin attempt only got a two count. Slater went up top Styles ended up catching him into a styles clash, and that was all she wrote. You could tell AJ Styles
was pissed. He was probably fuming on the inside. He was barely like holding it together and trying not to show how angry he was just facially, but you could tell he was annoyed. But I'm sure on the inside he was fuming, especially as angry as I know, he gets like playing video games, like when he's losing, Like I remember some of those old videos on Up Up, Down Down they were playing like Madden or something, and if he was losing, he's a sore loser, like he
gets angry. So I'm sure like in the course of a match, something doesn't go it's John seen as last night. This is a big spotlight, right, a big showcase here, and he fucks up. Yeah, I mean I would be upset too, but you know what, kudos to Slater though, for a quick recovery. Try to make it look like maybe it was intentional and maybe it was part of the match. I'm sure it's one of those moments where AJ is just like looking at that going men, see this is why, this is why I'm winding things down
next year. The young guys were moving a million miles an hour because they were just a ball of energy out there. I'm sure they were very excited. But I do wonder if maybe they had their time cut. Again, this was not a long match. I don't even think it went a full ten minutes. So you try to fit in a lot of stuff in a relatively short period of time, and then you end up with a match like this where it's just moving at a very
quick pace. You know, it's not like, Okay, we got twenty minutes, so we can pace ourselves and we can work a body part. That's not what this match was about. These guys are a bundle of energy. This is what makes them fun to watch. That's what you had on display here For what we got. I thought it was good the finish, and we forget the slit by aj the finish it kind of felt sudden again short, like, man, we could have taken this another three or four minutes,
So the finish was a little anti climactic. I'm not gonna lie, but overall I like the match and for Leon Slater, big spot for him to get. He's still under contract to TNA, so you know that's where he will be. He's there champion, but you got to think in his future probably an NXT contract. Javon evans Sky's the limit. He's still very young. He still has to like physically, he still has to fill out, you know, I mean, he's still he's twenty one years old. Both
these guys. I said the other night, I said, if you add up the ages of both Javon Evans and Leon Slater. Aj Styles is still older, so like they're very young. I don't know how old Dragon Lee is, but like they're very young, but they both have bright futures ahead of them. So after this, we had another tribute video here with comments from various people. Cain Our Truth, The Miz, Biggie, Kofi Kingston, Alexa Bliss, Logan, Paul Drew McIntyre, Sammy Zay, and Xavier Woods all thanked John Cena and
video messages they came back from break. We had some long breaks in between the matches. I would rather keep them in between the matches than have them during the matches, which is the beauty of this no longer airing on NBC. Fuck NBC. These shows are a lot more tolerable this way with the commercials in between, but they are very long. But we had Joe Tessitour up at the hosting position,
not with Jesse Venturi. He was with Stephanie McMahon. Stephanie McMahon is someone who played a very important role in John Cena's career. John Cena is not where he is now were it not for Stephanie McMahon. If it wasn't for Stephanie McMahon. Hearing him wrap on the back of the bus on that European tour, John Cena would not be where he is right now. John Cena would very likely not be doing Hollywood movies right now. John Cena
very likely is not Peacemaker right now. That's how important a decision that was to give him the chance to go on TV and do what he was doing on the back of that bus. So she's going into the Hall of Fame next year. If John Cena were to be inducted into the Hall of Fame next year, and I'm thinking now he may not be, because boyd, this would have been an appropriate night to make that announcement. For a minute there at the very end, I thought Triple H was going to point to like a Hall
of Fame, you know, announcement up on the tron. I thought that's what he was doing. At the end of the show. I figure, if he's going in next year, tonight would be a nice night to surprise him, you know with that announcement. But you know, surprise like, you got to clear his You got to clear it with his people first and make sure he could actually do the fucking show as busy as he is, maybe he
can't do it. But I'm just saying, like Stephanie, if he was to go in any other year, Stephanie is probably someone I would have on the shortlist honestly of people who can induct him into the Hall of Fame. She wouldn't be my top choice. I think Kurt Angle would be a better person for that, but very important
part of his career. So anyway, they cut to her and Joe at the host position and she's talking, but you can see in the background in the ring somebody is standing in the ring, and then they interrupt Stephanie in mid sentence and it's the Miz. The Miz has been complaining on television for weeks now that he wanted to wrestle John Cena. He beat John Cena at WrestleMania in the main event Once upon a Time, Yes, which is true, by the way, one of the worst WrestleMania
main events of all time. So he's rehashing a lot of the same stuff in the ring. Apparently he was wearing the same ring jacket that he wore he set out to the WrestleMania twenty seven main event. So he's complaining about being left out of the show. This brings out our Truth, who comes running down to the ring and he said that, you know, you stole someone's opportunity when you were playing with Nick Aldos's balls. He yeah, from the tumbler, and he presents him with a ball
with someone's name in it. And the Miz opens the ball and he looks at the name and he's like, Joe Hendry, he said his name. So they play his music and guess who shows up. He's right there on the apron. Joe fucking Hendry no longer a TNA star, by the way, he is all in with WWE. He is an official WWE contracted performer, and he's on the apron.
This was a nice surprise. Joe Hendry never got the match that he wanted with John seen Remember he was trying to will this match into existence at the beginning of the year. He was on Busted Open Radio openly like lobbying for this match and John Cena. He says that the rumble because they were both there. He said, John Cena told them, dude, if you want the match, you've got to you've got to manufacture it. Man, You've just gotta You've got to will it into existence. If
you can make it happen, we'll do it. And he never got his match, but at least he got a spot on the show, right, at least he at least he was able to do something as part of John Cena his final show. So he shows up and Hendry ends up taking out the Mizz, lays him out with his oh gosh, what does he call his finish again? The happy ending or standing ovation? That would be a great name for a finish. That's what I call my finish whatever the standing oh. He puts the mis down
with the with the standing oh. And him and Truth also did a five knuckle shuffle and tribute to John Cena, and then he waved when they played his music again, and the fans and the crowd were waving, and we got the zoom in from the camera, the hardcam on Joe Hendry and our Truth, so well, you know whatever, this was just it was some filler in between the matches, and this was fine. I was happy that Joe Hendry
was able to get a spot on the show. But then after this it all came down to the main event. And this, right here is what this entire show was all about. This entire show was built around John Cena's final match. The reason you had nineteen thousand plus people in Washington, DC tonight was for this match. Right here, Gunther comes out, got his boxing RoboN. He makes his
way down to the ring. Everyone's booing him right. He's just the quintessential movie villain here as we get ready for the big hero to make his entrance, and he actually steps out of the ring when John Scene is about to make his entrance out of respect. He's going to give the ring to Sina, so he exits and they milk this forever. Before they play Seena's music, they're panning the crowd. I was honestly expecting it to be a little bit louder. I mean, I think the people
were just like waiting for the music to hit. So they're waiting and they're waiting, and they're waiting, and then the lights go out and then they hit Scene his music and then he gets the monstrous reaction and the trumpets and the horns they start playing and out comes John Cena from the entrance way and he's just taking it all in. He's getting, of course, the monster pop that you would expect, and he's looking at Stew the cameraman.
He takes the camera from Stew and he kind of, you know, pans around with the camera for a little bit and gives it back to Stu and he's like, all right, here we go. You're ready for one last run. As a very narrow aisleway too, it wasn't a lot of room to maneuver. I kind of like it actually when they bring it in a little bit more. That's the way it used to be. Fans can reach out, they could touch the people. Maybe these days that's a
bad idea. But anyway, he goes running down to the ring and the fans were cheering so loudly and for so long. They actually looped his music twice because what happened was he got into the ring and he's posing, and then he sees a bunch of people sitting in the front row. So he goes outside and he's either shaking hands or hugging Tris Stratis Eve Torres. I saw fucking Haku is there, Fucking mang is in the crowd. Kevin Owens was there, Sammy Zain was there. They weren't
sitting next to each other. But Owens, by the way, is going to be one of the coaches on the new season of LFG. Apparently Kevin Owens and Natalia have replaced I think they've replaced Undertaker and Michelle McCool. You know, you know Undertaker co hosts a podcast. It's well the Michelle McCool Podcast starring Mark Halloway. So they have that gig going. But apparently they're not going to be on LFG anymore. So who else was in the front row? Booker t was there, Nick conn was there, so just
a bunch of p o. Elias was there. I guess now he's Elijah in TNA. Yes, I don't forget Elias. I know, I know Sina worked with him at Wrestlemannia thirty five. They didn't do a match, they did a segment. I was there, I know, I remember it. He came out as a doctor of thagonomics. So yes, Elias was there as well. So Lillian Garcia was able to get the privilege here of doing the final ring introduction here
for John Cena, she introduces Gunther, everybody booze. She goes through the whole announcement here for John Cena, the final announcement, and then it was time for the final match and John Cena's final match begins with a collar elbow tie up into a stalemate. Gunther had asshole chance that were directed at him, followed by fuck you Gunther chance multiple times throughout this match, which were censored by Peacock, So
that kind of sucked. And then the chops began. Now he's getting you tapped out chance, and I'm like, you tapped out chance? Mega. They still talking about WrestleMania, and then Michael Cole says, oh, and get you tapped out chance for tapping out to jay Usso at WrestleMania. I go, man, this guy's never gonna live this down. Is he tapping out to jay Usso? Is going to haunt this man
until the day that he retires. So Gunther hit a hard Irish whip into the corner, and at this point he's just toying with Sina, He's basically having his way with him. Sina, though, catches a chot that Gunther throws at him and he starts his comeback. We got the shoulder tackle, we got a second one. He drops gun There here comes the you can't see me hits the five knuckle shuffle. I'm like, man, we're going straight to final jeopardy. Here we're not wasting any time. So here
comes the attitude adjustment. Gunher easily slips out and he counters into a German suplex and off the ropes with a hard clothes line takes down Sina. So now he locks in the sleeper holes. Sina, though, quickly counters out of it into the STFU and he's got it applied in the center of the ring. Gun Through, though is inching closer to the ropes. Sina goes to drag him
back to the center. Gun Ther though kicks him away and then he gets up and he hits a shotgun drop kick and Gunther drops him then with a power bomb. So he tells the referee Chad Patten, ask him if he gives up, So then we get more fuck you Gunther chance, he drops Sena with another vicious clothes line, and again he goes over to the referee. He goes ask him if he gives up, and then another clothes line, ask him if he gives up? And I go when did this turn into an I quit match? What are
we doing here? After every close line, he's asking the referee to ask Sena if he gives up? What you know, the only thing that would have been worse than what they did here at the end of this match is actually having John Cena go ahead and give up on one of these clothes lines. That would have been that would have been incredible. John Cen is like, you know what, fuck this, I don't need this shit anymore. I'm the peacemaker,
damn it. I give up and just roll out of the ring and just get in his car and drive off. That's the only finish that would have been worse than the one they did here at the end of this show. But this is where it started to get repetitive, because he got up another clothes line. He got up another clothes line. They were like five or six of them here, So then there was another clothes line, and he says, ask him, so now we got chance of super Sena.
Sena ducks another closed line attempt, hits back to back shoulder tackles and again and he drops Gunther and here we go again. You can't see me five knuckle shuffle. We're already repeating spots that happened only five minutes earlier here in this match. So we go through the whole sequence all over again and this time the attitude adjustment connects and he covers for the wind, but Gunther kicks at it tudo, So now Sena is looking for another
attitude adjustment. Gun Thro though, slips out and he delivers a hard shot right to the back of the neck. And now he's got Sena down on the mat in the sleeper hole, and he's got the body scissors applied. Oh this is not good. This is not good. He's got the body scissors. Sina, though, gets out of it. He gets his own sleeper replied and down on the mat. He's got the body scissors, just like jay Uso did
to him at WrestleMania. But Gunther he's got those long legs, so he's able to get a rope break out of it. Gunther rolls out to the floor and Sina follows him out, but he eats a chop and then he takes a back suplex on the the apron. Gunther just picks him up and dumps him. On the apron, Gunther sends him into the ring steps right he goes careening into the steps,
So now Gunther rolls back into the ring. He exits on the opposite side of the ring over on the announcer side, and he grabs those steps and he drags them over next to the announced desk. By this point, Sena has basically kind of crawled his way over, so now he's on that same side, and Gunther climbs up on top of the ring steps. He's looking out through the crowd. He's basically like up yours, so he climbs back down the stairs. He drags Sena over to the steps,
and he clears off the announced desk. So we're gonna get one last announced table bump for John Cena here before he rides off into the sunset. Gunther is setting up like he's gonna power bomb him from the ring steps through the desk. He never even really gets him in position though for the power before Sena hoists him up onto his shoulders and John Sena delivers an attitude adjustment to Gunther through the announced desk and the desk collapses. So that was the big table bump here in this match.
Sina puts Gunther back in the ring after a bit, he covers him. Gunther kicks out, so then Sena heads up top. He hits the top rope leg drop. I guess that would be considered the vintage Sena right, as Michael Cole would say, right, old school Sena. So he hits the leg slice right across the neck, he covers, Gunther kicks out, So that got him chance of you still got it? So Sena looks out to the crowd and he asks the crowd, do you have one more left in you? One more? You can't see me. He goes,
this is gonna be the last one. So the crowd wait for it, and they wait for it, and they do it one last time. He does that, you can't see me. Sena hits the ropes though, but guntherer. When he hits the ropes, gun Thro springs right back up to his feet and he drops him with a big boot, picks him right up, hits a power bomb with the stack. Gotta get the stack. Scena kicks out, so Gunther heads up top. He's going for that splash. Sena, though, cuts
him off with an uppercut. Seena climbs to the middle rope and he gets gun through on his shoulders and he looks out of the crowd and he smirks, and he hits an avalanche attitude adjustment or, as Michael Cole said, avalanche Fu drops gun through all the way down. He covers, Gunther kicks out, and the people can't believe it. So now both men get back up and we get the ya boo exchange here between them. Sena with an uppercut, drops gun through to his knees, but he fires right back.
Sena gets him up for another AA gun through though counters out into a power bomb, and now gun Thro is headed back up and he hits the big splash. And I will say there's one thing I have criticized recently as far as Gunther goes. I'm a big Gunther fan, but his splashes more often than not look like shit, like his knees end up hitting the mat before his body does. This one was maybe the best splash I've seen him hit, like he just came crashing down on Sena with all of his body weight. So he hits
the splash. Scena kicks out, so the crowd is trying to will Scena back up with super Sena chance, which would have been unheard of, by the way, fifteen years Can you imagine these fucking fans fifteen years ago, Like when Sena was burying the Nexus, you imagine the fans chanting for Supersena back then, like you just wouldn't have heard it. But now they're just they're willing Supersena. They want to wake up Supersena and see him one more time.
So Gunther again gets the sleeper, replied Sena. Though he's still standing. He's standing, but he's fading now he's down to one knee, but he powers back up. He breaks the hold, or he's in the process of breaking the hole, but nope, Gunher gets it back applied, and now he's got seen it down on the mat, but Seeing is back to his knees. Now now he's back to his feet. He powers out, but again Gunher gets the sleeper, replied.
Back down to the mat they go, but nope, Seen is back up to his feet again, and so now Gunher jumps on Seeing his back. So he's got all of his weight now on his back. Sena drives Gunther backwards though into the corner to break the hold, but then Gunher reapplies it again. Back down to the mat they go. Things are looking very bleak, so he fights back to his feet again again. Seena falls backwards into the corner to break the hold and then he scoops
up gun Through on his shoulders. He delivers another attitude adjustment. Gunher kicks out, and not only does Gunther kick out, but almost immediately after he kicks out, he sits up and grabs scene from behind and puts him back in the sleeper hold. You have nineteen thousand fans in this building who were chanting, don't give up, don't give up.
At John Cena, Sena looks like he's out, and at this point, I'm thinking, okay, they're gonna go with the finish where he passed out, right, which I think Goldberg tapped out. Did Goldberg tap out to him or Goldberg win? I think Goldberg tapped out to him. But I'm thinking, okay, it's basically you know this all over again. He's gonna pass out and they're gonna give the win to Gunther,
and I'm kind of, you know, resigned to it. The referee picks up Seena's arm and his arm drops once, and then instead of calling for the bell, he goes to pick up his arm again. Now that's the way it used to be done all the time, like back in the Hogan era, right, you pick the arm up once it drops. He picked the arm up twice, and then the third time, Oh this the arm is still up.
And again I feel like ever since we kind of went into this reality era, and ever since like tapouts became a thing and you had more of like an mma influence on pro wrestling. You don't do that right because in a fight, if somebody went out first of all, you probably wouldn't be picking their fucking arm up anyway, but you would pick up their arm. If their arm went down, that's it. They're out cold, right, you gotta call it off. They don't really do it this way anymore.
So I thought it was a little strange that they kind of reverted back to the old school way of doing this. So the arm drops once, referee says one, we got another one to come, he picks up, seen his arm again. Seen his arm goes limp. He picks up the arm for a third time, and John Cena gives the like the okay sign. Right, hopefully that's all
it is. But now Gunther starts raining the anvil elbows down, elbow after elbow after elbow, you know, down onto sina and again he goes right back to the sleeper hole. And at this point John Cena is not going out. John Cena is sitting there and he's got a look on his face like, you know what, I can't wait to get back to my hotel room tonight. I'm gonna have myself a nice hamburger when I get back to
my room. Boy, I can't wait. Now he's looking out to the crowd at somebody again, maybe it was his wife, I don't know, or just his friends and family, and he looks at peace with himself. He smiles and he goes like this, and he just like the most half hearted tap out that you will ever see. After all the years that John Cena said, never give up, never give up, right, and he never tapped out to anybody, the day finally comes that this man taps out, and this is what he does with a smile on his face.
After telling people to never give up. It looked like he had no interest in even fighting it anymore. He was just like, yeah, okay, I'm done. And how do you expect people to not be underwhelmed by that finish? You actually think that that's an acceptable finish to this man's fucking career, Like, I'm blown away by people. Don't understand why other people would be upset not even necessarily about the fact that scene A lost in his final match, which you would almost expect, but the way in which
he lost, how can anybody be okay with that? How can anybody look at that and go, man, that was the perfect finish? May I want a storybook ending finish for this guy? That was a completely horrid way for this match to end. That was a terrible finish. But they got the moment they wanted because you know what, they cut to the crowd and everybody had a shocked expression on their face, and that's why they did it. They wanted their Undertaker moment from wrestle Mania thirty, and
that's what they got. This was the closest that we have ever gotten, okay since wrestle Mania thirty to any kind of crawd reaction like this. I'm trying to think, like even SummerSlam that year when Brock squashed Sena, it was kind of similar, but not really not quite on that level. Right, People were shocked by Sena being destroyed, thoroughly destroyed by Brock Lesnar and at the time it was like such a novel thing, like, holy shit, I
can't believe what we just saw. Like that was actually a great match, and then they tried to replicate it this year, and of course it was shit. But as far as the finish here, people were stunned. They were wide eyed. They cut the kids, little kids in the crowd like tears welling up in their eyes. They can't believe what they've just seen. It's like fucking you know, Doomsday killing Batman or Superman not Batman. I got, I got my characters mixed up, but you know what I mean.
I mean that's basically what this was here. And Gunther is like, oh he tapped out, I went and they raised his hand and he was out of the ring, you know, very quickly after that. But immediately the crowd they go from utter shock to just discussed and anger
very quickly. And when Sina sits up and the camera zoomed in on his face, you hear the chance of bullshit rain out throughout the Capitol One arena, and Sina had a look on his face like come on, you know, like give me a break, like you weren't expecting chance like this. It's the first thing he should have expected. What else did you expect? The chance of bullshit rained down upon john sena rained down upon the ring, gun through I think by this point was already gone, and
Sena is standing in the ring. He's thanking everyone. He's saying, that's all I got, That's all I got. Here comes Triple H and Sewn Michaels and Stephanie McMahon and Cody Rhodes and cm Punk and the Undertaker and Bruce Pritchard and all the producers and the rest of the roster. And as soon as people saw Triple H coming down to the ring, it all became about him, because now we have fuck Triple H. You can hear somebody in the crab at least one guy fucked Triple H. And
then of course you fucked up. You fucked up just raining down upon these men, and Triple H, of course has a big smile on his face because I'm sure he finds this all very hilarious. Cody and Punk get in the ring and they present their championship belts ceremoniously to John Cena. For him to have one on each
shoulder scene is like trying to refuse that. They're like, no, no, no, no no. So they give him their championships and they retreat to the corner and we have a shot of John Seene to the World Heavyweight Championship on one shoulder the WWE Championship on the other, you know, and the fans are respectfully cheering for Seea, but they're still not happy and they are smarting over the decision to end this match the way that they did. So Scene is playing to
the crowd. He goes, I'm waiting for it right because Triple H is in one of the corners, He's on the apron right, and Scene is playing to the crowd of one corner with the belts and they cheer, and then he plays to the other corner and they cheer, and then he turns around and he sees Triple H in the other corner, and he walks over and as soon as the crowd realizes he's going over to Triple H's corner, the booze rained down upon them, and Triple
H got a big smile on his face. He finds this so fucking funny, and they're just booing the shit out of him, deservedly so, because he had the opportunity to put together a finish here, one of two finishes, One of two finishes. John Cena wins after a just you know, the battle of a lifetime here where Gunther beat this man within an inch of his fucking life, but he pulls it out in the end like Rocky in one of those dramatic fights in the movies. Right,
and John Cena gets to go out. He may be beaten and battered, but he gets to go out on top. He gets to go out a winner, right after losing many matches. It's not like he went undefeated on this tour. It's not like Tony Kahan keeping sting undefeated his entire career. In aaw He won some, he lost some, but he gets to go out a winner, and you give the fans that happy moment as he rides off into the sunset because he did the one thing that he promised
you that he would never do. He never gave up. Right, you could have done that, perfect world, he would have done that. I understand it, though I understand Gunther winning. Look, I'm a Gunther fan, and I understand that tomorrow morning, John Cena is going to be somewhere else and Gunther is going to still be working in WWE, and guntherro is probably going to be wrestling brock Lesner. If I
had to venture a guest at WrestleMania. So now you can do the battle of the two men who beat John Cena on his way out right, I guess that'll be the story. So I don't have an issue with that so much, but if you do it, you gotta have John Cena stay true to his convictions. He is trying everything to get out of this sleeperhold and gum Through is relentless. He keeps reapplying it. He's got the body scissors. They're in the middle of the ring. There's
nowhere for John Cena to go. He's tried everything with this man and it does not work. And the fans are saying, please, don't give up, don't give up, don't give up. And you know when John Cena, when the arm was dropping and he flashed the OK sign and everybody cheered. You know what, that would have been an appropriate finish if you would have flashed that sign and then he would have went limp and the referee would have called the match off and the fans would have
been upset. But I don't think they would have been as upset as they were. That's the thing. It's the way in which they did the finish that I think just did such a disservice to Sena and that character and everything that it represented for so many years. And by the way, this goes for John Cena, if it was his idea, you know, maybe it was Triple H's idea, Maybe it was John Cena's idea. So good for him. If it was, he got to go out the way that he wanted. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it
was still the right way to go out. That was the right way maybe in his mind for him to go out, but there's a lot of people out there who were going to look at that and go, man, that is not the way that John Cena should have gone out. John Cena should go out fighting until the very end. And that little weak tap out and that resigned smile on his face where it's like, you know what, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go like this, this is this is how I'm gonna end it. I'll just
give it to the guy. I'm not really struggling. It almost looked like he could get out of the hole at any moment if he wanted to. But it's like, yeah, you know what, I'm done, I'm done here. I don't know maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm out of my mind, but I just thought that finish was lame, ash shit.
I really did. But then Triple H is like, look, look up, it's not Batman, but there's a screen, right, not even like the titantron or anything, one of the arena screens and he points, seeing his attention up to the screen. This is where I thought maybe they were gonna have some sort of like Hall of Fame video announcement, and instead it was just it was a very well produced,
very nice video that was recapping seen his career. It had comments from his mother, you know, his parents, his contemporaries, and you had John Cena in picture and picture while he was watching the video, and his expression never really changed, but he was you could tell he was very emotional. Sena is usually an android robot, Okay, he doesn't really
show emotion. In this case, his eyes were getting all glassy and he was actually, you know, like your career is overdude, Like it's okay for you to show a little bit of actually human emotion here, and he was. So it was. It was a very nice video. They actually included it was an old interview, but they actually included a clip of Vince McMahon making comments of a John Cena, So I guess he made the show after all.
So when it was over, Sena, I thought, we're gonna get a speech, even even if just a few comments. Even Goldberg got to make some comments before they fucking cut him off. On NBC, everyone was like, Oh, I'll bet John cenic gas all the time in the world for a retirement speech. Didn't give Goldberg anything. He didn't even make a speech. He looked like he couldn't wait
to get out of there. But before he left, he went ahead and he stepped out of his sneakers, so we saw the you can't see me socks that he was wearing, which I'm sure are on sale right now at wweshop dot com. Stepped out of his sneakers, he laid his wristbands on the mat next to them. He left the ring. He didn't interact with anybody. He just walked right past all the wrestlers and everybody around the ring,
and he went right down the aisle. He stopped when he got to the entranceway and he looks and they have a camera now that's above the entrance way, so he's just looking up into the camera and then he's looking around, you know, the entire building. He turns around, he takes a bow, one final bow, and he salutes and he says, it's been a pleasure serving you all these years. Thank you. And at that point he turns
around and he leaves, and that was it. They faded out and that was the end of the presentation and so ends the career of John Cena. The fans were clearly not very happy about how things went down there at the end. The match itself, they had a good match. It was not the best John Cena match of this year. It was not the best Gunther match of this year. There was you know, you had the dramatic near falls that you would have expected. The match in many spots
was more repetitive than I would have liked. But I thought they basically had the match. I figured they were going to have, you know, more or less. So it'll be a matter of taste against some people. They just don't like Gunther matches and they don't like him As John Cena's final opponent. I feel like he was the perfect final opponent for him. I didn't have an issue with that. So the finish doesn't mar the rest of the match. I'm not saying the entire thing was terrible.
The whole thing was garbage. It wasn't. It was a good match that, in my opinion, was just it had the wrong finish and you only get one shot at it because it's the guy's retirement match. You don't get a redo on this. Like I take him at his word when he says that I'm done, I'm never coming back to the ring. I cannot go back on my word. You had one shot at this, just like you had one shot at a retirement tour Triple H had. Remember WWE Unreal at the beginning of the year. Season two
is coming, by the way next month. What episode was it? Episode four? Whichever one was about the scene of heel Turn.
Pretty sure it was episode four. I think episode three was like Chelsea Green and the Women, But when they covered Johnsena's heel Turn, there was a clip from one of the shows of Sena and and maybe it was Elimination Chamber seen it in Triple H ringside hours before the show, and I'm paraphrasing here, but it was something like boy and maybe it was about the retirement tour itself,
So maybe it was earlier than the chamber. But boy, we'd really have to fuck this up to mess up this retirement tour, right, That's what Triple H said to SCENEA, and Scene is like well yeah, or Triple H was like, well, you know, hey, it could happen. It could happen. Oh it kind of happened. Not completely, but you know, it kind of happened. There were ebbs and flows to this retirement tour. For every great moment, like the one we had with Punkin Sena in the elimination chamber, for the
heel turn itself, which in a vacuum. If you just look at the heel turn in Toronto on its own, it's one of the greatest heel turns in the history of wrestling. When you take context into account and what followed, it is one of the worst heel turns in the history of wrestling. I want you to think about that. I want you to think about how that's possible. How can you have one of the best heel turns in wrestling history also be one of the worst heel turns
in wrestling history. Oh it happened. That's the John Cena heel turn in a nutshell. But for all the good stuff we got. We had one of the worst WrestleMania main events or main event endings you'll ever see. We had an ill conceived heel turn for which there was no real long term plan for it. It was about the moments. It was about going viral, It was about creating a buzz. It was about selling more tickets so we could advertise the rock for the Elimination Chamber. These
are the things that happened. These are the decisions that were made along the way that really marred parts of John Cena's retirement tour. When this things should have been mapped out from day one. This is the most important person in this company, maybe one of the most important people in the history of this company. We're gonna take great pains to make sure that we storyboard the fucking
shit out of this. So we map out every single fucking thing that we are gonna do with this guy so that we could give him the best possible sense send off that we possibly can. That should have been the idea behind it. Not saying that there aren't times where it's okay to pivot and go this way instead of that way, but when you're just constantly pivoting along the way. That's what happens. That's what you end up with once they turn seeing a back babyface. Right. We
got a lot of good moments out of that. We got some good matches, We got some good moments, so it wasn't all bad. But I was really hoping coming into this that it's about how you start and how you end. If you start hot and you finish hot, you know what, I think people will be more forgiving. And it started off pretty good. Although people will be upset that Jay Usso won the Royal Rumble in that John Cena, but honestly, that was one of the better
rumbles they've done in many years. So they started off well enough, and I was hoping that they would close strong, and they really didn't. I think they made the wrong decision tonight. And so sure, Gunther is gonna now come out and gloat about the fact that he's the first man in twenty years. Of course they'll say the first man ever, which is not true. But the first man in twenty years to make John Cena tap out and to make John Cena give up, and that's gonna be
his new gimmick now. But honestly, does it really like it had Gunther not done that right, had he won in any other way, does it really make a difference. He still gets to go out there and say that I'm the man who retired John Cena, you know what I mean? Like you still could have given the fans a better ending and kept Gunther looking strong. You could have had your cake and eat it too. You could have had it both ways, and they just decided, no, no, we're not going to do that. We're gonna do it
our way. We're gonna say fuck you, and you're gonna like it because that's the way it's done. So it made for a shitty ending to the show. Everything just felt off after that finish. The way Sena was acting in the ring, the crowd reaction, everything was off. Everything was off. You could really enjoy the moment, and again it was very curious not having him or him making
the decision himself. I guess not to address the audience, Like if I had paid a lot of money to go to the show, I would be very upset over that finish, right, finish being the way the show ended. To get that finish, and then not even have Seena address the crowd and just leave and walk out was very underwhelming, very underwhelming, But of course it doesn't take away from his overall body of work and all of
the great things that he did in his career. And I know a lot of the people watching this right now probably became wrestling fans during the era that John Cena was on top, or you grew up with John Cena. He was your guy, and so it's a big deal to you the fact that he's no longer going to be an active wrestler. And you know, maybe you were crying your little eyes out tonight or whatever, and that's fine, you know, that's fine. I'm sure tonight was a very
emotional thing for a lot of fans. But I still say that the finish, the finish left a lot to be desired. Let's just say that. Let's take a look at what the poll results say. What did you think of Saturday Night's main event and John Cena's final match. Fifty nine percent thumbs up for tonight's show, forty one percent thumbs down, So very split, more positive than negative, but a very split poll result so far. And we
are approaching three thousand votes in the poll. Again. You know, sometimes you just got to do what's right for the crowd for the moment, and they dropped the ball tonight, they really did. They dropped the ball with it. I'll debate anybody on that, oh man. But hey, Gunther now gets to go around to be the destroyer, right. He's gonna end a whole bunch of careers. There's probably two or three different people who are going to have their
retirement matches in twenty twenty six. He may end up beating all of them, which makes it awfully predictable, doesn't it He ends up wrestling aj Styles or Chris Jericho. We kind of already know how it's going to go. Uh, Glizzie, Bob, We'll start with Gizzie says. Drew's character has become such a cry baby loser that I don't even want to see him win the belt anymore. Sad that it got to this point. Hey, you know what, Drew McIntyre is
another example of this La Knight. I mean, we'll see what happens, but La Knight may end up being another example. It's like, oh no, no, we got big plans for all these guys. You just gotta let it play out. You just gotta let it play out. Man, This is gonna be the greatest payoff in wrestling history, and we get all these great payoffs for La Knight and Drew McIntyre and this guy and that guy. Man, I can't wait,
Irenzo says Cody, Why so serious? Roads, Bass Beers just says boo See they were chanting boo uns, boo uns, That's what they were chanting. At the end of the show. Venim Catetzi says, enjoy the ride. Shut your mouth and enjoy the ride that the rock is taking you on. Wink the Cosmic Grandma says why, bro, just why. I don't know, Man, I don't know, But you're gonna have people defending it until their dying breath. They'll call it cinema. That's the word they love to use for this stuff.
It's cinema. The Winston slip. So, what's your favorite kind of soup? Chicken noodle? By far? Bass Beer says triple h You fed up? Holiday one ninety seven says hey Solo. Gunther gave Sena a good retirement match until that ending way to tarnish seen his legacy by making him tap out and give up. If it was seen his idea, then I don't know what he was thinking, I don't know, man, I just I don't know. I think he's just mentally checked out anyway, he knows he's done, and he just
he doesn't care. You want me to tap out to this guy, Fine, I'll tap out to this guy. I'll do whatever you want me to do. Don't worry everybody though, it's cinema. It's cinema. Nick Ky says, you know, call me dramatic or whatever you want. I need to take a long break from WWA. Between his bads, Seena's retirement run has been and now having Gunher do this, it has soured me on Gunther. Well, I mean, there's no reason to be sour on Gunther. He didn't do anything wrong.
If anything, I mean the fact that they fucking did that finish they did tonight. I sure as fuck hope that they have Gunther in the strongest possible position they can put him in going forward. I mean, he better be the real final boss. Can't squander this. It's like when Brock broke the streak in twent fourteen. A lot of people disagreed with that decision, but it's like, well, you had Brock break the streak, you better make sure that you keep him as strong as you possibly can.
Because he's the guy that broke the Undertaker streak. You better not squander that. Alex says this was awful. Says everything Triple H touches turns into a hot pile of garbage. You had a nice run as booker last year, but enough is enough. Tub Thumper with a Canadian ten says, I know this makes me a bad person, but on such a historic night, did we really need to see that disgusting old crone Vince McMahon on our screens. It was brief. I mean, it wasn't a big deal this.
They didn't roll his corpse out there in front of the crowd. Psycho jet Black. As soon as I saw the Miz, I knew this would annoy Solo Monster. I actually didn't mind that segment. I did not find that segment because it was relatively brief. It got Joe Hendri a cameo. People had fun with it, so I was okay with it. Says but seriously, thank you John Cena for all the good and the bad. We will never forget you. Thank you. Psycho. Alexander says, Gunhar needed to leave.
Sina need to leave Sina's body lifeless in the ring for the finish. Not that anti climactic finish we just got, but still all hail gunhar, thank you. Alexander Psycho says, just realized. Slo Monster kind of looks like Miss. I don't know how to feel about this, although miss got himself Maurice, so I don't know. Maybe this hope for me yet the Winston slip Slo Monster is way more handsome than cube Head Miss cube Head, Miss does he
have a cube head? I don't know about that. Johnny Bernie says, John Cena retires and at last Bruce Blitz can finally be at peace with his life. Oh my god, there's that name I haven't heard in the years. Is he still around? I honestly don't know. I always know he was John Cena's biggest fan. I'm sure he's doing some celebrating tonight wherever he is. Holiday one ninety seven says this contends as the most botched retirement run. Sina had some good matches, but there was little build in
half of those matches. The Scena heel turn was ruined, and now the ending of his final match he deserved a lot better. Yeah, I mean, there were mistakes made during this run. I think that's safe to say. We got Sanders with a nine ninety eight nine, says Soul. Getting a roll up win after her finish bothered me. Ultimately, it was fine, but it's just a micro example of WWE not wanting to truly beat anyone. Soul beating Bailey
right after would have been fine. Yeah, I mean we do get a lot of roll ups in this company. I'm just happy we got the right result in that match. Soul Ruka winning was the right idea, It's the right outcome. Glizzie Bob says Triple H did not understand the assignment tonight. Any sane man could have seen that finish wasn't going to get over well with that crowd. The booze were deserved. Oh, he deserved every single bit of it. Yes, I agree, one, he deserved every bit of that reaction that he got.
But it's sad that John Cena was the one who retired. So Sena was out there and they weren't booing Sena, but the boos were raining down nonetheless. And so when your final match ends with chance of bullshit, you know you fucked up. Blue Blart says, are you laundering money for jo Joseph is a big fan of the show. I'm on Blue. I see him supporting more than you. I'm not gonna put down Joseph. Joseph's a good dude. Sent the message yesterday saying many blessings for the weekend
to come. I hope wherever he is he's having a great night. Hopefully he's not too dejected after the way that Johnsena went out tonight. Curtis Tally says Legendary Solomon. I think I made my point very clear. I think I made my thoughts on this pretty clear for everybody tonight. Venom Caitetsu with a twenty five created Johnny Carson on wrestle Mania two thousand says any suggestions for his finisher? Also, congrats on two back to back Friday the thirteenth, February
and March extra Jason Celebrations for twenty twenty six. You made Johnny Carson in wrestle Mania two thousand. Yeah, I think you should give him the soul Snatcher as his finish. I want to see Johnny Carson pull that off. The Sheriff of Patty's Sina went out like a legend. Should I hope future greats take note. Go out like Sena, not like Flair. Love the channel. Can't wait for the RSPW drop. Yep, it'll be ready in time for the
holidays coming up. I'm trying to add some Sena posts. Actually, I went out to go find some John Cena related posts, and I will tell you that the ones that I found are not very complimentary. This is from the early days Sena. So that'll be in the next installment of RSPW Rewind, which should be up in the next couple of weeks. For all of you Duff's VIDs from the nine ninety nine, if fans were truly mad and smart, the crowd would have chanted you can't book to triple
H thank you, Sena. Or they would have gone with everyone's favorite insult. They would have chanted bald fraud. I saw him. He was on the pre show. They had him on the pre show set with the fans behind him, and I don't know, I don't know what this was about, but there was somebody on their phone. They held up their phone and like in big letters, it just said water, just said water. And then everybody started channing h two
oh h two Oh. I mean, you would think they were in the desert and they were dying out there. I don't know why they were chanting for water. Animal. The worst part of this is that this is all anyone will be talking about when it comes to John Cena's final match. Bingo, You're one hundred percent right, and that's a shame. H William Lopez. This is sad how Seen is going to be remembered. Seen his real retirement match was against aj Styles, and I will stand by that.
I'm okay with that. If we all remember the Crown Jewel match as a Seen as true retirement match, I think I think that that would be perfectly fine. Hashtag bald fraud. Oh, Triple Ah's water spit routine? Is that okay? Is that why they were chanting water? I'll bet they're chanting something else at him right now. Randal the Sandal Vandal of the nine ninety nine Hall of Fame headliner for next year? What are we thinking? I mean, I
would have been thinking John Cena. I guess it comes down to a schedule, though I don't think Batista has still gotten his actual induction yet either. Stuffs Vins who knew Brock watched NXT Ricky Saints in the background on TV. Lakers Pats disappointed that Sena did not lay down the jorts. Also, well, I don't think we needed to see that. You can take them off in the back. Max says, technically speaking, what was the strongest and weakest parts have seen his career.
I'm gonna get into a lot of that tomorrow. There's gonna be a big scene of retrospective on the podcast tomorrow. I'm gonna have a lot more to say, not just about tonight, but just his career overall, his legacy. I'm gonna go through every match on this retirement tour, and I'm gonna give you what I believe to be his fifteen best matches. I have ranked. I have ranked the fifteen best matches of John Cena's career. It's been a while since I've done a countdown. You're gonna get one
on the podcast tomorrow. So you're gonna get all things. John Cena defined Real says, as many times as we wanted Triple Hs to stop playing it safe, he picks Seena's retirement to do it. It's true. Yeah, I did notice that who mentioned that in the chat? GQ yeah. When Sina took the camera away from Stu the beginning of his entrance and Sena put Stu on camera, they cut away, so we barely got a shot of Stu. They cut away from Stu. I don't know why they
did that, Alexander says. Sina by tapping out basically said f them kids, Yeah, which is what he said during the heel turn. I thought they had realized their mistake, but evidently not. I guess. Triple H was all upset and pissy over the fact that people poop pooed his big heel turns, so he had one last fuck you to everybody in the end this journey called life. Seena smiled right before tapping out. He chose that you mean he shows the finish. I wouldn't be surprised if he did.
Doesn't mean it doesn't mean it was a good finish. If he got the finish that he wanted, you know what, I'm happy for you, bro, I'm happy for you. But I thought it was a bad finish. I thought it was a bad call. Holliday says, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the fans who bought seen his never give up merch decide to get rid of them. Why hold on to it with this ending, It's like those fans threw their money down the drain. Yeah, I mean, think of all the shirts he sold over the years.
They're gonna start burning John's shirts. It's like when a player you know gets traded to another team, you have their jersey and they burn their jersey like you're dead to me. Javier says, as a fan since two thousand and three, thanks for the memories. Sina z Ray with the ten says, Honestly, if it ended with John Cena passing out with the two arm drops, it would have
been so much better than him tapping out. I mean, I prefer he didn't lose, but even if he does do it correctly, we got Rebo m Blader loved the match, did not like the finish. Overall, good show, though, I think that about sums it up Ragnarok. They did the fans and Sena a disservice by sticking to a numbnumber of appearances instead of a final date. He couldn't properly promote a few of his matches. Yeah, he wasn't around to do anything with aj on TV before their match.
Same thing with Gunther, there was at least one more. Yeah, it's just I mean, that's a whole lot, that's a whole other thing. Moore says, this is real. Fans are chanting ae W at the press or are they I'll have to I'll have to check that out after. Did they send Triple H out there with the crab behind him? Because that that would have been ballsy of them if
they did that. I need to know what they were chanting behind Triple H. If they sent him out there Aaron Rugerio with a nineteen ninety nine man that was deflating. I understand losing on the way out, but this just wasn't the night for that. Imagine the postmatch if he actually won, should have been a sting revolution esque moment. Triple H deserved the backlash one hundred percent. Yeah, Yeah, he did. Devin from NJ. They already did so much
damage to see his character this year. Having him give up in his final match was just the cherry on top of this shit Sunday scummed up. Well, hey, guys, I just realized something. You know, we we could have had it worse. We could have had jay Usso when the John Cena last time is now tournament and we could have had jay usso due to John Cena what he did to gun through a WrestleMania and tap him out in the middle of the ring so could always be worse. LJ. Junior Sena should have smiled, held the
three fingers up and faded out there. It is man like. That's like that to me would have been a more acceptable finish and a more appropriate one that would play off of the mantra that he lived by for the last twenty plus years, says, yes he loses, but he never gives up. Ever, giving up was the entire purpose. Yeah, and he betrayed that purpose. Project Graham Tony Kahan showed fans the right way to send off a legend with Sting's last match. Sina should have gotten the same treatment.
Kind of shameful, really, Boris with a ten dollars My boys were so disappointed. First the dumb heel turn and now this trash of an ending triple Ah deserved all of the chance he got coming out. Fans definitely deserved better still, Thank you, Sina Desivid's what did the ancient Roman time travelers say when he got to the year three thousand, Mmm, Psycho Jet Black. Do you do the
Obafemi dance in private? I do it every day when I generally speaking, when I walk into like a supermarket, or if I walk into like a Walgreens or something, I do the Obafemi dance. Alexander says, Oba Femi gives me Ahmed Johnson energy. I would be greatly offended if I was compared to Ahmed Johnson. I certainly hope he has a better career than Ahmed johnsonhet Opa Femi has more talent in his pinky finger than Ahmed Johnsonhett Sean Kavanaugh.
Isn't it time Gunther got a better finish? His sleeper is anti climactic and just kills the place. I think you could take a move like the sleeper hold and just and get it over, and I think he's done that. Actually, I mean the sleeper hold was one of those classic finishing maneuvers. I can't say it was just the heel finish. I mean even Brutus Beefcake use it as a finish. And when Beefcake would put the sleeper hold on, people
went nuts for it. You know, as a babyface. I don't have an issue with using a sleeperhole as a finish. I think that they have done a good job of getting that over as a hold for him. I see what you're saying. It's not like a flashy move or anything like that. I also think it's smart because as you age and you get older and Gun, there is no you know, young man by wrestling standards anymore. I mean, he's getting up there, he's getting close to forty. I think it's smart to have a move that you can
apply on anybody at any time. You know, Gun, there could be wrestling at fifty years old. He could be in there with somebody twice his size. He could put them in a sleeperhole. Even Hogan used to say, like, man, I wish I would have just gone with like a fucking clothes line as my finish. You know, would have
saved my back from all those back surgeries. I think that, you know, you have a lot of younger guys in wrestling right now, and I understand the desire to do something really flashy and cool and some big dive or whatever. But man, as you get older and you evolve, they should start thinking about like finishing maneuvers that they can put on anybody at any time, because if they want to wrestle for another fifteen twenty years, you want to be using something that's easy to do. This week's episode
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Wyatt WrestleMania thirty Legacy by eminem. There's a lot of great wrestling video packages, you know, the Austin Rock one, my way, the Monster one for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania thirty, Running Up That Hill by Placebo for Shawn Michaels and Undertaker WrestleMania twenty six. I don't know that I have a favorite John Cena one, though, I mean there was a I think actually the one they use for Sena Triple h Randy Orton to Wrestle Media at twenty four.
I think that one was pretty good. But man, beyond that, I'm kind of drawing a blank. I don't think I have a favorite scene of video package. Uh, Glizzie Bob. The pop Kevin Owens got when they showed him in the audience hugging Sena was awesome. Do you think they would have had one more match if Ko did not get hurt? Absolutely absolutely, we got John Cena and Sammy's ay. We definitely would have had John Cena and Kevin Owens and it would have been great. The horrorrist. We may
never know whose idea that finish was. If it was one hundred percent Sena's idea, would that change your opinion at all? It would not change my opinion in the least, not one iota. Nick says, you know, this is what I mean when I say I can't fucking stand Gunther and his fans. The guy is the longest intercontinental champion, two time world champion, King of the ring, but he
still needs more to make him. Yeah, it's like John Cena talked about Brock Lesnar when he was on Chris Van Vlid's podcast last week and he was asked about the Wrestle Paluza match right or he brought it up and he was like, well, the idea was that we got to make Brock, and I'm already on my way out, so like, how can we use me? We gotta make Brock. I'm like, make Brock. The fuck are you talking about?
I didn't know we needed to be made. Make Brock one of the funniest fucking things I've heard all year. Dry Chicken says, I'm pretty sure the Rock is smiling right now after Triple H came out. Oh, I'm sure, Like deep down. I'm sure he kinda he got a kick out of that. I'm sure he enjoyed that. Somewhere deep within is a part of him that was laughing that guy. Matt. Now, wwe can finally sell to Saudi Arabia. Now that's about five or six years away. Give it time,
it'll happen, but not anytime soon. George Maser with the four ninety nine, what's going on? George cool necklace? Oh thank you? Sina smiling during the TapouT makes me think it may have been his decision. Again, it's it's entirely possible that Sina came to them with that idea, or at the very least obviously he was okay with it, and maybe that was his little, his little spin on it. But to me, it did not come off very well.
Maybe the idea that he had in mind for it, if it was his idea, maybe it sounded good in his head, But in execution, I just thought it came up very poorly. And I don't remember offhand, I don't remember exactly where I got it from. But if I remember, I will I'll post up something about it or leave a comment if I if I can find where I got it from I'll post a response that guy Nick Rubio Triple H for worst booker of the year. I
Jackson Man, they did this for WWE Unreal. Oh yeah yeah, I guess maybe we'll find out right if this is on Unreal season three, maybe we'll get our answer then, Glizzie Bob says, reminder that Triple H is the worst booker ever. Now he is not the worst booker ever. I get carried away here. Duffs Vid says, what does a barber serve in the winter? Cold? Cuts? Pretty good? That was pretty good. Evan Rodgers says, who cares about the WWE beyond this? No draws, no stars, no respect
for the stories. Toya ain't nice? Says, how would a happy ending be applied? Well, I mean, you know, I haven't figured that part out yet, but there's a way. It might not be very PG, but I mean there is a way, Like how toyo Toya hasn't let this idea go? What about this happy ending finish? Duffs Vid says, what did Dad say when he got a universal remote? This changes everything? It is that dad joke. Austin Bland set not having Randy Orton present was a decision. I
think he might be over in Saudi. Wasn't he doing press over in Saudi Arabia for the royal rembel. He's really taking this vacation very seriously. We haven't seen him in months. Willie Billy Glad, we got some Taz talk tonight. He always cracked me up with that fake whoa. Whenever someone's pyro went off, it was like muscle. It's like muscle memory for him. I enjoyed Taz on SmackDown that guy or even in the even when he was doing commentary in TNA, that guy Matt says, I feel undertaker.
One day he is going to have a couple of shots of Jack look at McCool and be like, you know, you really helped screw up my reputation, and then the fans will chant at him. Bring back Matt, Bring back Matt. They just can't let that go. Every time you post a new podcast, look at the comments, bring back Matt. Actually, this superchat comes from that guy Matt is. I think
we just figured out who that guy Thatt is. I think I just realized why that guy Matt just sent that super chat in Matt is that you It's okay your secret is safe with us. There's only twenty six hundred people in here. You don't worry. Your secret is safe. No one will know. I just looked at his name. I'm like, wait a minute, hold on a second. Brian Besarah, no message, just dropping a fifty dollars super chet. You know what, it's not red, it's it's magenta. But you're
you're welcome into the bomb squad. Bryant and Mischie are the members of our bomb squad here tonight. I love it. Jdf VA, thank you very much, Jacob Chelsea with the ten dollars. Postmatch was almost as bad as the finish. Crowd was still in shocked silence when Gunther's hand was raised, then outcomes Hunter Boot out of the building. Felt like the heat was on management. Yeah, I mean the heat was not on Cena and it wasn't even it wasn't even so much on Gunther. It was on Triple H.
It was on the company. It was on the company for you know, charging them in arm and a leg for the right to come to this show and then get pissed on at the very end. It's like, here, we're gonna charge you one thousand dollars for your ticket and then we're gonna take a fucking dump on your head at the end. Eh. Thanks, I'd be pissed if I was there, Rob Pyre, that was a Netflix WWE unreal ending best for business pal, says Triple H. I
guess Keelsy keels the admiration from Greece. Please stay legendary Keelsy. Thank you so Kelsey or Keelsy. I think it's klzy. Actually, I think I just said it wrong. You know, Greece is one of those places. It's on my list of places I'd like to visit one day. I hear the beaches over there are really nice and the women WANTOCMPO is Seena the last true draw in WWE before TKO. When did TKO officially? TKO didn't really take over until the fall of twenty three, right that's when the deal closed.
I would say yes, Cod Cody was already pretty well established by that point, Roman had already had the majority of his run. So I think we still have yet to have that one true like TKO era draw in this company. Maybe that'll be bron Breaker. Maybe that could be an Oba Femi one day, or Jacob Fatu or someone like that the Uffman says, So Lesner destroyed Sena at Russell Palooza because why exactly, Well, because we had to. We had to put Lesner over, because we had to
keep him looking strong. We had to get him over come on ofman pay attention. We got to get the guy over. I mean, what's not to understand. He wasn't strong enough. People had forgotten. Hey, adt ar, what's going on? Man? Thank you for that. Five Neamo says Triple H is not a good booker or not a great booker. He books for the moments. He's got a very particular way that he books. I wouldn't say it's great, but I also wouldn't call him the worst booker of all time,
Like that's just hyperbole. We got holy shit wrestling, buy or sell Seinfeld finale or Sina finale. Oh man, you really put me on the spot here with this one. They're really putting me on the spot here with this one. I'm gonna go Seinfeld finale and buying on that, believe it or not, that was much better than the Sena finale. H Stephen j Neptune Man best seene a moment announcing ben Laden's death. Well, we can now say that John Cena's career with that finish tonight has been compromised to
a permanent end. Anderson Blitz says, and just like that, a piece of my childhood came to an end. Hashtag thank you, Sena, thank you Anderson, Evan Rodgers. They think people are going to care about Saudi wrestling entertainment after this crap, no respect for the character or the crowd. Sina announced it like he took out Ben Lauden himself. Maybe he did. Maybe he snuck in put a sealed Team six uniform on him. I mean he was the Marine, so I mean, you know he does have some of
that combat experience. Jonathan says. I agree. It was an underwhelming finish. Thank you, Jonathan Arabian Night two thousand finish of this and the retirement run in general was ruined by Triple H. In my opinion, he's lost the fan trust. I hope it reflects in twenty twenty six and affects business. Change is needed. Well. As long as people are buying up those tickets at those prices and putting money in their pockets, I mean, nothing is really going to change.
I certainly hope we get the change that we need on Friday nights when they expand the show to three hours in a few weeks, where that show is going to go from bad to worse real quick. That's the change I'm hoping we get in the short term. Jeremy Rose with the twenty two dollars rock Drop Triple H
hasn't had a solid, complete storyline since Bloodline, and that's debatable. Seriously, this guy seems to be bulletproof because there's a portion of the fans that keeps shelling out exorbitant amounts of money to this company. Yeah, I mean, as long as that continues, there's really no incentive for them to change. Like I'm watching SmackDown last night and the Alistair Black Da Me and pre stuff, right, And that's just one example.
And I'm like, man, this has been going on for a while now, and I said, like, we're months into this. I still cannot understand how we went from having a last man standing match at the beginning of the feud to where we are now. And I'm like, these two guys are in no better of a position now than they were three or four or five months ago. Like it hasn't done either one of them a lick of good.
Paul Carpenter seriously can triple h redeem himself and how yeah, he can produce you know, better television and give us interesting entertaining television shows, and he can fix the fucking roster on Fridays. He can start there. That would be a good start. Hank says, Rick Flair's Old Yeller story was way better. Actually, that segment was a great segment with him and Shawn Michaels. That's a great promo. We got kerber bing rigsy so so relieving to know that
Sola Monster feels the same way about that finish. Just trying to understand the logic into what message they wanted to send with that. Well, I'm going to venture a guess. I'm going to venture a guess, and I'm gonna say that the idea behind it was Sina came to the realization that nothing he was doing was working, and he knew he was fading, and he accepted his fate. It's like somebody who trips and falls and looks up and there's a moving train coming towards them and they just
sort of accept their fate. So he was at peace with himself and his career, and he smiled, and he looked that into the fans, or his wife or who he was looking at. But that would be one thing if he faded. But he didn't fade. He tapped in the most anti climactic way possible. But I assume the idea was simply that he accepted his fate. I'm sorry that that's not a good enough story to tell with that finish. It doesn't justify the finish that they did. It does not make for good television, It does not
make for a good storybook ending. It just doesn't m Mills again, I salute you. I give you a scene a salute for that one hundred dollars bomb. Thank you very much. Donnovan pain, Hey, Solo, what do you think would have been the best time period for a Lesner versus Batista match to take place? Well, Lesner was already gone right early two thousand and four. Batista really wasn't all that big of a deal yet at that point.
So I'm trying to think because Batista left in twenty ten, Brock came back in twenty twelve, I just don't think there was really a good time to do the match where both men would have been at their peak. I mean Batista came back in twenty fourteen. I would not say Batista was still at his peak in twenty fourteen, but I guess that would have been it. I mean Brock was around, yeah, But the thing is like twenty fourteen is where he broke the streak and then he
squashed Senaus. So it's like all of that happened in the time period where Batista came back. There was no way Batista was going to go in there and have a competitive match with Brock when they were in the process of building him up as an unstoppable monster. So to answer your question, I don't think there really was a prime period to get it done. I think that the timing just never worked out. This Gaming Dragon says, how can anyone think WWE is better than AW after
all of this? At the very least they know how to book a retur hirement match. That they do. I will give them credit for that. They know how to book a retirement match and treat their legends the way they should be treated. Although that doesn't mean that every legend needs to win their retirement match. But I just think that in this case, in this case, they did wrong by Sina Give Me Backshots Solemn Monster with the Dollar ninety nine. Bron's great, However, Oba is better than
Braun overall, easily. I'm not going to argue I like them both. I think that Bron is clearly the one that they have chosen to really build things around. But I think Oba is great. I think Oba checks all the boxes. I mean, he's got all the tools. He's more physically impressive than Bron Breaker is, you know. I mean, if there's one thing that he really has over Bron, that's it. Like that's the main that's not it. I don't mean that it's the only thing, Like that's the
main attribute. You know. Physically, he's far more imposing and intimidating and threatening than Bron Breaker is. Matthew Amandola right choice. Shout out my boy, Gene Funnings. Thank you, Matthew Zombifid guitarists. I really hoped he made it part of the heel turn there at the very end, Hello, he went back to being a heel in his last moment. He just wants to defy everybody and say, fuck it, I'm going back to being a heel Warhawk Rambow. Do you think
h man is an overrated booker, I think by some people. Yeah, he is overrated. I think some people worship at the altar a little too much. That's what I think. Ricardo de Jesus. The ending of this match made me a preciates Sting's retirement match more. Say what you will about Tony's booking, but the way that was handled, especially with Sting winning, was just perfect. Yeah. And Sting wanted to lose, and Tony stepped in and said, this is this is
the way it's going to be. This is for the better, this is the right thing to do, and he put his foot down. He said, no, this is what we want to do. This is how we want to tell this story. And it was the right choice. Jeremy says, if we assume that whoever gets to eighteen is currently in WWE, who would you predict personally? I don't think anyone will, especially with everyone getting two hundred plus day rains. Yeah.
Well that's the biggest thing. Everyone has these long championship reigns now, So the closest person who is still active, who would be closest to seeing it in terms of world title reigns on the men's side, would be it would have to be Randy Orton. So Randy Orton. How many does Randy Orton have at fourteen? I'm pretty sure Randy Orton has fourteen? Thirteen or fourteen? I get him in triple H confused, Maybe it's thirteen. I don't see Randy Orton getting there after Randy. Who would it be?
I don't even know who the next person would be. I agree, I don't think we're I don't think anybody's hitting eighteen. I can't say ever, but I don't think anybody's hitting eighteen. Put it that way. I know Seene has made comments about I want to, you know, shake the hand of the person who hits eighteen. I think scene is going to be old and gray if that
day ever comes. Charlotte probably will. I guess. If you want to count the women's championship, then I guess Sina will probably be shaking Charlotte Flare's hand at some point. But on the men's side, I just don't see who it would be. Fro seventy nine. First the disrespect to Nemo, then Alonso goes to Birdland, and now this deflated balloon of a finish Diaz never wanted to stay here so
f him and Los Angeles. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what's worse the state of the New York Mets or the finish that we got in the match tonight. Jeremy Ross, I've seen a light about never giving up? Then what makes us believe that he was truthful about never coming back? So he's just a liar? Is that his h his new mantra just makes shit up, just betray everything about the character. Remember when he went here, we had people making illustrations about the make a wish,
the break a wish, just give up. That was the new slogan, just give up soul Ruka's beaver with a two dollars super chat. All I gotta say is what in the everlasting fuck? That's what I said when I saw that name Alex from Phoenix JD mistakenly called Gunther Gooner pro indigenous. It's like when Goku gave up at the Cell Games out of character for the sake of a plot point. Ah, yes, of course, of course Goku. How could I forget? I know I'm out of the
loop on this venom? Kitetsu tweeted you a Carson four fifty splash. I don't know I have to check that out after although my poor mentions, I don't know if I'm going to be able to cycle through all the responses. Cameron Spencer, I want to see Omas against Oba at Mania. Give me the pros and cons of that match, and are you down for that? I mean, the biggest con I could see is that I would not be debuting Oba on the main roster, and the first feud I put him in is against the guy who's even bigger
than him. The whole point of Oba is that he's bigger than most people on the main roster. He just looks intimidating, right. It's part of It's part of his persona. It's part of that Aura I was talking about. You kill that Aura dead in the minute. You put him in the ring against somebody who's bigger than him. Why would you do that? I'm all for coming up with something for Omas to do as like a character on the show, but I would not be doing that match
at Wrestle. Maybe Oba and Drew I could get behind that Oba and Omas. Now I would not be doing that much this gaming Dragon perfect promo bragging right sena versus orton two thousand and nine, I don't remember that video. I have to go back and watch that one. Bobby means there will never be another John Cena. And as far as who will buy WW in the coming years, I don't think it will be the Saudis. You don't think there won't be any Saudi money involved in that transaction.
Adt rs has been watching the six man Hell in a Cell match from Armageddon two thousand on the vault. Do you think we'll see another multi man Hell in a Cell in the future. I hope not. I mean not a six man to me, that's just that's too much. I could see it like a triple threat. Beyond that, I don't really see it happening. I think they save Hell and his self, or like they did with Punkin Drew, they save it for when there's an appropriate time to bust it out, and that would probably be for a
singles match, but triple thread it at most. I don't think we get a fatal four way or six way or anything like that. Glizzie Bob Tko is to blame for this. I just can't prove it yet. Well, you just got to keep looking for the evidence to support your theory. The Ice Dance TV matches on a pay per view, fifteen minutes of commercials between matches, dead finishes, boring, creative, self aggrandizing, and no speech offensive to fans. Technically, it's not a pay per view. Do you want to be
technical about it? She's not wrong on all the other things. Retro people who think Triple H is the worst have no clue who Jim Hurd was. The kids have no idea. Ah, yes, pizza hut. Jim heard William Sweeney, So have Sina so so have Sena do what he said he wouldn't and quit? Yeah, that's what they did. I don't know if you're asking a question or making a statement, that's what he did. Gold Matthew biggest missed opportunity is having healed Sena versus
Punk in either Chicago or Boston. I mean, dude, it was right there for Chicago. That's where I thought it was going to be done. Wasn't money in the bank in Chicago? Maybe that was La? I think there was in La. But yeah, I mean Chicago would have been a great place to do it. Also, I would have booked Heel Sena as a Heel reflection of Cody link Master X. We can fix this Sena number thirty and wins the rumble. Keep Dreaming, Keep fighting, the good fight.
Link Master X reconcned with forty nine months of channel membership, says from Judgment Day O five to WrestleMania twenty three to twenty five, Once in a Lifetime to his final match in Florida. It's been surreal knowing I got to see his whole career live and now it is over. Thank you Sina. So you were at Once in a Lifetime too, huh. We may have been sitting next to each other. Of course, Once in a Lifetime ended up being a lie, but at the time it sounded great.
Thank you weakan Son. We got Sema j P five fourteen. I understand the finish. It was definitely tongue in cheek. Oh well, that's that's great. So we got a tongue in cheek finish to John Cena's final match. Great SMG. Kobe watch with friends who aren't wrestling fans, and the finish made them not want to watch a WWE at all. This wasn't about gunther fans wanted Sena. Yeah, it's not. Look, they didn't create a single new fan with that match.
Maybe that wasn't their intent, but the way they were promoting this match, and you had all of these mainstream interviews with Cina and on ESPN and all these different places, and the morning shows on the major news networks and the major news shows. They didn't make a single new fan with that main event tonight, So I would imagine those casual observers probably were not very happy with what they saw. Link Master says Ram Jam had a better
last match. I think Randy the Ram had a better last match, and he probably fucking died at the end of it. We don't know for sure, but it seems like he did. Venom Catetsu says John Cena retired but not Jan Sina loophole interesting. You know they did buy Triple A, So imagine if Juan Sena pops up in
Triple A to fight off El Grande Americana. We have warm corn, warm corn with a two dollars super shot gunther needs the rub barbicue Thank you Cajun Dry, which rub might be that happy ending finish that people were talking about. Uha Yanko Riggsy. What's just as infuriating is knowing when Sena eventually gets asked about that finish in interviews, he'll spend some philosophical non answer. Oh oh yes he will,
as only John Cena can. Yeah. I feel like if you were to ask John Cena like what's your favorite food? Simple question, right, like what's your favorite food? What's your favorite food that you like to eat? And he would just come back at you with some kind of answer like, oh, you know, all food is good and nutritious and uh, you know some some big I feel like you said, philosophical type of answer where he doesn't really answer the question but he just wants to not offend anybody and
just answer in the most vague way possible. Arabian Night, why two Jay saw tonight and is like, Nope, Tony Khan will treat me better. I mean the reality is Tony Khan will treat him better, probably pay him a lot more. We've got Jeremy Rose. Speaking of that six man helen a cell, the total entrances were six and a half minutes. Today everyone takes five minutes each, Jay gets fifteen. Oh forget about if you had a six man hell of a Cell match today, the entrances alone
would be twenty minutes. Warhawk Rambo as bad as Triple H's as a booker. Vic Venom and Herd are both worse. I swear kids these days, link Master. They even boot Triple H when he appeared in the video. Yeah, I didn't notice that they booed him board than they booed Vince. What does that tell you? Warm Corn says, Jim heard.
What did he hear? It's a good question he heard he was going to be fired, Glizzie, Bob, did you see the report that WWE was confused by the response to La Night getting destroyed by the Vision on Monday Night? They are so tone deaf now, I mean the idea of the idea behind the report is that they don't understand why people would be so upset when they have these big, grand plans for La Night. Time will tell it's not that people are just upset over what happened
on Monday Night. It's been many, many months that people online have been like, what about La Night? What's gonna be? You know, when he's la and not going to get his chance to shine because he was being fed constantly to the Vision all summer long. I mean, this is not like a one night thing. So people are very upset about the way he's been booked and companies like oh, I can't understand why people would be so upset about the way La and Night was being booked on Monday Night.
He's in for a big push in twenty twenty six. I vividly remember tweets going around at the beginning of twenty twenty five saying that finn Balor was in store for a major singles push this year. I'm still waiting on that major singles push for Finn Balor. Duffs Evids with ten months of membership, can you name two structures that water well? Damn Retro says buy or sell on?
Which is worse? Gunther tapping out Sena or Brock beating Undertaker at WrestleMania Brock beating Undertaker at WrestleMania Arabian Night. If anything, they drove fans away and AW gained a few. I don't know if AW gained a few. They may have gained a few, but I don't think it's AW gained a few more than just They may have just driven some fans away that I can believe. Link Master Alex Riley is laughing right now. Navy forty one eighty one is triple H the only one to not lose
a final WWE match. No. No, Undertaker's last match was the Boneyard match right against the AJ Styles, and he won that one. And he beat John Cena in an actual match at wrestle Mania thirty four. I don't know what the official last match Brett Hart would have been, but I mean he won the US title the last time he had to run. He beat the Miss. I mean, I mean I thought it wasn't his last match, But now Triple H is not the only one to not lose his final match. And Duff's VIDs can you name
two structures that hold water? Well, damn didn't. I just read that one. He sent that as a member chat and a super chat. He was so impressed by this joke he had to say it twice. We got KCU Unfiltered thirty two months of channel membership. What is next for Gunther? I do believe it will be brock Lesnar That would be my best guess, although Gunther and Obo would be pretty cool, but it just feels like that's a little too soon to jump into that. We got
Sean Dee thirty two months of membership. The way I see it, this has been the year of Sea going back on his word, first with the heel turn, now with the tapping out. So the legacy he leaves behind is that he's a liar and a hypocrite. Is that what I'm getting out of this? It's a hell of a legacy to leave behind. Link Master says the icy blue shirt is a nice touch. That's from three days ago. Why am I reading that now? I'm not wearing an icy blue shirt. I w wear that on Wednesday, all right.
I think I finally got through all of your messages, and there were many of them which I love. I fucking love it. Well, you guys killed it on the likes. We are well over a thousand likes, and you hit the bonus goal, which is still going up, up and away as more messages come in. Jonathan with two bucks. He donated two dollars to get buried by Triple H. Look at this. Would Gunther Brock be heel against heel? I don't think that if they did the match, it
would end up being booked that way. I think one of them would have to be a babyface, and it would probably be Brock. I think if it was going to be one of them, it would be lesner. I don't think they would book it as heel against heel, but I do think there's a very good chance we're
going to get it. I don't think that it would make no sense for me to me for it to be guntherer because you just had Gunther beat John Cena in the like the most heelish way possible, so that you get a turn in baby face like that doesn't make any sense. Brock would actually have to be the babyface in that situation. Thank you, Zachary. All Right, it's time to be some be some booker. No, it's called be the booker. Why did I say be some booker. I'm the booker. Let's do it, ladies and gentlemen. I
don't even know what I'm saying. Ah the susa, he says as a bald man. The f you baldy chance at triple h offend me, leave the leave the I think it's a follically challenged is what you meant to say. Leave the follically challenged alone. It's all right. We love the follicy. We loved I can't even speak. We love the follically challenged. Here on the sound off. It's all good. All right, so this is where we have some fun here. Can I book a better car than Triple H did tonight?
I think the answer is yes. Can I book a better finish than Triple H did tonight? Absolutely? I won't let you down. Case in point, we're kicking things off with Sting and the Great Muta. There's a badass team. Grandpa Sting and Grandpa Muda. Still badass. Look at that team. I'm very that image you just saw by the way. I was at that show. So that's the last time I got to see Sting live in person. It may have been the only time. No, that's not true. I
went to WrestleMania WrestleMania thirty one. What the fuck am I saying? But that was definitely the last time I ever saw Sting live and I got to see him and the Great Muda make an appearance on that show. That was a Grand Slam over at Arthur ash Stadium a few years ago. They're gonna be Oh, for God, why why? It was a gimme? It was a sl I am dunk Sting and Mudha against Headbanger Mosh and Di lo O Brown. Low down. I'm pissed that I had to give the buzzer to sting in the Great
Mooda as a tag team. I'm very upset about this. You know, we had last night on the stream. We actually had a loser Leaves Town match and Trent Burretta and Chuck Taylor, the best friends, were in the match, and so I said, to live up to the stipulation, someone's gotta go. They were the ones who got the boot gone from be the booker. We need to have one of those loser Leaves Town stipulations for lowdown. All right, we got the man, We got Becky Lynch here and
be the booker. I think Becky is on the mount Rushmore for women's wrestlers. That's what I think. Becky Lynch is going to take on the beautiful Mariah may you know. It excites me that that could be a match one day on the main roster in the not too distant future, Becky Lynch against Blake Monroe. I look forward to that. And now our first main event of the evening, don't let me down. Come on, be the booker. Don't let
me down. Here we have the tribal chief, the OTC, the head of the table, the big dog that I get them alls in the main event, but against who against John Cena? Well, then I think to be the booker gods. They just were shining down upon us tonight. They just knew there was just something in the air, and they just knew that we landed on John Cena in the main event. And I make this vow, I make this promise to you that in this match you will get a much better finished than the one that
you got tonight. I'll book a better retirement match for John Cena than Triple H did there? You go? No clean, sweet, But at least we ended strong there with that good main event. I can't believe that Scena's real last match. That's right, all right, you earned a bonus round. So now we get stipulations. This is where it gets dicey. We got some good stipulations, we got some not so good stipulations. This could be a very dangerous thing here. Buried alive. I could think of a few people who
were buried alive. All right, We're gonna have ourselves a buried alive tag team match. There's only one of them in history that I could think of, and it was a damn good one on SmackDown. Well, I mean this is okay, this is kind of morbid. Actually, we landed on the buried alive stipulation and the first thing that pop up are the Van Eric boys. Although actually Kevin is the only one who's still alive. Kerry is not.
Kevin is all right, So that's that's less morbid. That's not the stipulation I was hoping to land out here for the VN Erics. Boy, this be the booker has gotten dark here tonight. All the teams the land done. Really, this thing is a mind of its own. Oh man, the ladies are gonna go nuts for this match. It's going to be the VN Erics against the American males Marcus, Alexander Bagwell and Scottie Riggs in a buried alive match. For shame be the booker. It's very is a terrible
stipulation for this match. How dare you? It's awful? Have you no shame? All right? Our next stipulation is going to be an I quit match. As we see Randy Orton spitting on John Cena in the background here, technically our second time here is selecting John Cena and be the booker. So what we have is an I quit women's match that will feature the eradicator, Real Ripley. Good start, a very good start, very encouraging start. I'll give this a drum roll. Since it's the women's main event. I
quit match Ria Ripley against Tiffany Stratton. I don't know where she is, but I think that would be a good one. And this is it. We go from our Night one main event to our Night two main event. I don't know. It's gonna be hard to top that Night one main event. We had Roman Reigns and John Cena. This is going to be a casket match. We already had a buried a live match. Now we have a casket match. Be the booker is it's it's in a mood tonight. I don't know what it's gotten into this thing,
a casket match. We have the ae W World Champion, Samoa Joe on one side of the coin on the other Samoa Joe. You know we always say Joe's gonna kill you, Joe's gonna kill you. Who's Joe gonna kill and bury fac We're not done yet. We're not done yet. We now have a fatal four way casket match. I don't believe there's ever been a fatal four way casket match, but we're about to make history here by having the first ever fatal four way casket match, So I guess
the rules would be. It's pretty much just bedlam until one person puts someone in a casket and slams the lid, and when that happens, that's it. The match is over. So that's the way this is gonna work. Oh man, all right, well we have Samoa Joe. We need three more Orange Cassidy. Oh he'll kill Orange Cassidy easily, no problem, that's an easy one three casket No, no, nope, nope, one casket. First person who goes in, the person who
puts the wins the match. Hiroshi Tanahashi, Samoa Joe, Orange Cassidy, Hiroshi. This is like an aw rific match here. This is an all elite main event no longer. It's not the Heartbreak Kid, Shawn Michaels. And you know what, any main event that has Shawn Michaels and Tanahashi in it, let alone Samoa Joe. I don't care what the stipulation is. It could be dog shit on a pole for all I care. That's getting a bell. Michael's and tana Hashi man the one that got away from us. Tanahashi's also
retiring in a few weeks. I'm gonna I'm gonna wager a bet here. I'm gonna wager bet that Tanahashi has a better retirement match than john SENA did? You got Tanahashi and Okada in the dome in front of fifty thousand people, and these final batch of super chats here we've got first of all, fire Grand Welcome to all of the new subscribers. We picked up a whole bunch of them tonight. I hope you enjoy your stay warm. Corn says, now Sina doesn't have to avoid tap water anymore.
Mike Witt says things last AW run was so much better than Seena's last WWE run, and it wasn't even close. Luis with the twenty two Women of Wrestling on KCl over Johnsena's retirement match, Tripleah should be banished to the shadow realm for that dog piss finish the Women of Wrestling on your local TV station over Johnsen's retirement match. You have a dude, it's on peacock, It's not on your your Oh, it's a direction you can fuck unless you're saying you chose to watch that over Johnsen his
retirement match. Bdo watch Saturday night's main event with my nephews and some friends who had tuned out of wrestling sucks Having them exposed to what fart of a show got me looking goofy. Yeah, you're the bad guy. Now you wasted their time. I'm loving all the Supercyan super chats tonight. And Glizzie Bob says to I'm aw from now on, see you Wednesday nights solo. I'll be here, I'll be here. Unfortunately we have three hours of it on Wednesday. No weekly show should ever be three hours.
And Jonathan says, what do you say to people who said that he would tap? What do you say to people who said that he would tap? What do I say to them? I blame you. I blame you for putting that out in the atmosphere. I think you're the reason why it happened. So I say, boo boo. But that woman in the Prince's Bride when she wakes up from the dream, boo boo to you. That's what I say. Anyway, you guys killed it all stream long. We had upwards of thirty two hundred people in here at one point
still rocking well over twenty three hundred. You guys are awesome. Thank you for a great review, even if the finish of that show tonight wasn't great. I got a big podcast for you tomorrow, very John Cena centric, with some other news and notes. We'll talk more about the fallout from this show. This retirement run again the top fifteen best matches plus some honorable mentions, so it's more like twenty or twenty one matches, but the best ones of
John Cena his career. Takes some mailbag questions. It's already late, so look for it later in the afternoon. It's not going to be up too early tomorrow, but I'll get that recorded and we'll put that out. Luis, you get the last word. So as I'm waiting for Women of Wrestling to air on Channel nine here in LA after the news, well, I hope it's a good show. I hope you enjoy it. And Jim h six V only
one word encompasses that finish, resignation or shit. Well, we're all resigned to the fact that John Cena his career is now over, and so we close the book on the Sena chapter, someone who this company was built around for well over a decade, and he's now done over Sena himself in the interviews that he did, you know, he said, look, I know that a few weeks from now they're going to be talking about the Royal Rumble and I will be forgotten and everybody will have moved on.
And you know what, it's true. It's true because the world moves very quickly. Here today, gone tomorrow, out of sight, out of mind. But John Cena had himself a very blessed career. Even if this was not the most blessed year, he had a very blessed career. We'll talk more about that tomorrow. Be well, stay safe, have yourselves a great rest of your night, and keep your eyes peeled. Later today for episode nine forty two of The SoundOff, hit that like button on your way out and leave a comment.
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