"Trevor Noah"

Well listen, I'm really thrilled to be here with you two today. I didn't think I was going to make it. What happened? JB was close. He almost didn't make it through the weekend and then the doctor decided to revive him with two almonds. Yeah. And they come and go clear. I was a little lightheaded yesterday, but two nuts in my mouth really fix a lot. I know how you feel. Welcome to SmartLess. Hey JB, JB before Rob, a little Rob, show yourself again real quick. Just let's see Arm

Yerve. He said JB Rob says to Sean, I've got your favorite sports team on my list. That's spaghetti. That's fun, isn't that fun? It's fun. It's good, clean fun. It is good, clean fun. So good morning. Good morning. Jason, first things first, please, you know, I'm obsessed with medical stories. Please tell me what happened to you three, four days ago. Oh, well, I'm still in it. Unfortunately, you're like, well, it's just the things, things, things,

things are loose. Okay. Oh, she did. And, you know, it's, I think what it is, God bless my wife. She is more on top of the health stuff than you are, even, which I guess is not that high of a bar to leap over considering you, you mainline a meatloaf and everything. So she gave me this, some sort of supplement for longevity, right? It's like a peptide or some, some, something or other. New. New or been taking it? No, no, no, just a couple

weeks ago. Okay. And then I, she had me taking even a little bit more last weekend and that, that's what, that's what did it. I'm pretty sure that's it. It's, well, first of all, we ruled out immediately food poisoning. Yeah. Because it would have had to have been bad lettuce. Well, because you would have had to eat, eat, eat. So, so it's that's off the table. I know. But like flu, the flu, like if you had like a stomach bug, it would have

moved. Right. You know, it's still, yeah, I'm fatigued and I can't eat and like, and look at Puffy, my eyes are too. It's like, whatever this thing is, like, I got to stop it and which I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. It'd be great if the longevity thing killed you. I mean, I just, she did say she got a deal on it. But I'm glad you're, you're feeling better than you were before? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to cancel a day of work.

I haven't done that for a long time. Yeah. Okay. But you guys are very, very sweet. You're, you're just, you know, you guys are a couple of the good ones. I don't care what they say. Yeah. Yeah. And you're, and you're incredible at reading ads. Did you guys just win an award for your ad reading? Did you guys, I think we all day. I will wait a mile part of it. Yeah. You want to get to our host? Yeah. And so, you know, this guy is a media Titan. He's

incredibly smart, incredibly funny. He is responsible for one of my favorite shows. I was, I was very sort of not nervous, but it's, this show has gone through a couple of hosts. And I was hoping that it would land on somebody even better and they have. And he's got multiple irons on the fire. This guy's just, he's, he's cycle high. I think is what is what they say. You know, he's doing tons of stuff. And it's all fantastic. I'm going to let him tell you about it. But I'm very, very excited. He

said, yes, to doing this today. And he guesses. I can't. I have no idea. I'm meeting with Hyatt. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he started and stand up. Um, an additional hint. He hosted a political comedy show on Comedy Central. First name starts with T. Last name starts with N Trevor Noah. Everybody. Trevor Noah. Trevor Noah. I mean, what's going on, everybody? Hey, from, from the original, from the original lead in I thought, or, or set up, I thought I was

like, this is like a newscaster. We got like Walter Krunk. I, I, I was confused for a moment. I genuinely thought it was someone else. Yeah. I, I, I write these things. But this fricking job, I've got in New York. It's really cutting into my prep time. So this interview is going to be even worse than the normal ones. Yeah. I was, I was thrown. But then you said the name, then I was like, okay, we're good. You're like, oh, it's me. It's, it's, yeah. I mean, let's,

let's, let's start right there. I mean, did you feel the pressure I felt when, uh, when you were going in there to take over this, uh, incredible show? Yeah. Ah, I mean, so, so here's the, here's the thing. I, when I was going in to take over the Daily Show, I don't think I felt the, I don't think I felt the amount of pressure that I should have felt. Um, because I didn't grow up with the Daily Show. And I met John Stuart just as a, you know, sort of a stand-up comedian meeting

another stand-up comedian. You know, we, we, and I mean, we, we still talk about that now. You know, now that John has gone back to hosting the show, we'll, we'll still share the stories of how, ironically, yeah, they were on the phone and, and I was saying to him, it's funny that we've gone full circle. When we first spoke, it was on the phone, and I was traveling through like, Dubai and England doing comedy shows. And then now when we spoke and he's host again,

I'm traveling, and I was literally in Dubai calling him having another conversation. It's literally gone through the circle. So it's been well. But I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't nervous. And then I think off of the first few episodes, then the nerves kicked in, which is strange. Normally, it's the, it's the other way around. Because now you've got a better idea for what it is than you did then. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the, and a better idea of what people, how people

reacted to it, you know, that was, I think that was the biggest. Because it's so important. It's like this great, it's, it's sort of this, this Trojan horse that's on, that's on a neck, you know, like it's, it's helping all the medicine go down a little bit easier. The medicine that's so vital for all of us to be taking in. Mm-hmm. Definitely. Definitely. What, what, what, what joke really kills in Dubai?

Huh. That's an interesting one. And then tells what joke you can't tell in Dubai. So what joke really kills in Dubai? So I, whenever I travel, you know, for my shows, it makes it a lot harder, but what I love to do is find comedy that I could only do in that region. Yeah. Yeah. So I was trying to find something, you know, with it's an observation, with it's an experience, but just something that, that you could only say in Dubai and then some local cuisine living there, yeah, I would go,

wait, what does that mean? What? Yeah. So I'll try to tell a few jokes that have like an Arabic punchline or, you know, sure. I'll play with something in that world. I mean, isn't that, isn't Dubai like that super rich like, isn't, aren't they incredible? Isn't everybody incredibly well-written? Yeah. Let's go for the definition of it. Go ahead. Yeah. You're not going to find it again. You're not going to find it again.

But I mean like, it's trying to be less articulate. Go ahead. Have you ever been outside the United States? Of course. I, I know Dubai. Sure. I don't know what I mean. Of course. What kind of jokes do you tell about? Isn't like every single human being they're super wealthy? Yeah. Well, I mean, the Emirates, he's a, a pretty wealthy, but then most of the audiences is, is, is expats. I think it's like 90%, 90%. Yeah.

90%. Yeah. It's, it's one of the most diverse audiences you'll perform for. So that's so great. I love that. Did you ever get up there when you were, when you were coming up in South Africa? Did you ever get up there and, and, and were any of your dates up in that area? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, when, when I had to take over the daily show, I had to let go of a bunch of dates that were happening around the world. So I was, I just got a foothold into touring all over the, you know,

all over the planets. I've had to do that a lot. Like, go over a lot of dates all over the program. Yeah. Because I've just, because I didn't want to, because I didn't want to see like, I want to know is, you know, when you first came on the scene, I'm like, I blow. Sorry. Was that not it? Yeah. That's, that was, that's because it's a reflection of the ocean. Continuant. So Trevor, when you first came on the daily show, I, that was my first discovery of

you. I was like, Oh, what a glorious, wonderful discovery of this man. Oh, thank you. But before that, bad on me, I didn't, I didn't quite know. So like, where you came from, no, no, no, should you know, yeah. So, so what was life before that and what led you to getting that job? It's funny. I, you know, I'm never offended by that. And I know I, some people apologize for that. Again, I find it, I find it's quite common for people to say that in America. They'll say,

I'm sorry, I didn't know you. Right. Yeah. Strange thing. Because it's such a massive platform. We feel badly that we didn't follow your career. But surely, surely, you don't know somebody before you know them. That's how knowing people works. I'm always intrigued by that. I'm writing that down. But now you can't walk down the street. I'm sure. That's how knowing someone works. You think I'm saying he apologized to physics before he learned it.

But you were, you were crushing it and stand up such that you, you met with John? Yes. Yeah. So it was, it was really, it was really random. I was, so I started comedy in South Africa, performed them my whole life. I was lucky enough that we were part of South Africa. So, I was, I was born in Johannesburg, raised in Soweto, and Johannesburg. And then that's where I did

most of, most of my comedy. We didn't have a comedy club. So just to give you a bit of a backstory, I'm assuming you know, but if you don't, so during apartheid, free speech was, was illegal in, in South Africa, right? And so you weren't allowed to gather, you know, a group of black people weren't allowed to be in one space. And they're all these laws. So stand up comedy, obviously, you know, just one of the first things that's outlawed in any place that restricts speech.

So we didn't even have, we didn't even have comedy clubs. We didn't have anything. And then once democracy started in 1994, all of a sudden there was a, just like a boon of, of new, you know, a boon of people being like, can we sit together? Can we laugh together? Can we, God, the most amazing. And comedy blew up in, in the most informal places. You know, comedy was huge explosion. And you were how old at that time? No. So I only, I only got into, in 94,

I'm six years old, I only got into comedy when I was 20, I want to say 21. Okay. And it was, it was still new. Like, you couldn't make a living from comedy, which I, which I loved about it. It really was something that everyone was doing. It wasn't like in the US where people would do comedy so they could get a sitcom, so they could become a movie star. So that no, that was, you do comedy because you like comedy. There is no, and also escaped the horror of their,

their upbringing. Oh, yeah. Well, I think that's what all comedy is in the US, for the honest with you. Yeah. Yeah. I think everyone's doing comedy to escape their horrible upbringing. But you actually, you actually wrote a book about it too, right? Yeah. Yeah. I did. Which became a, what did it sell like three million copies? I don't know. I don't like numbers to be honest. Well, it did very well. No, no, no, I mean, this honestly, you know, you know why? I don't like

numbers when they're good and I don't like them when they're bad. Right. So you and me, but why do you like them when they're good? Because because if you live by the good numbers, then you must die by the bad numbers. Yeah. Absolutely. I think you're creating. You should just create and then very good. I'm so with you then you're not at the effect of outside circumstances. So, so Trevor, so walk me through. So you come up in a place that is almost, you know,

that has just a very new comedy scene, if you will. Yeah. Yeah. And and now you go, you start touring, you do lots of great stuff. Then you take over the daily show and you just absolutely explode on the comedy into the comedy world. When you go back to South Africa, are you, is it safe to say that you're kind of like the first big South African comedy star? Oh, yeah. Is there a lot of pressure associated with that? You know what? Not not pressure.

Not pressure. We it's it's it's so much fun, man. It's hard to explain. So the difference between the two places I find in America fame is is almost like royalty. Right. That's why people apologize if they may be unaware. If you had some beforehand. Yeah. I wasn't not aware that you of you of the other I apologize. Silence, naive. Um, were they were they? In some Africa, it's just like it's just like people know you everyone just treats you like you

you're part of a big family. That's how it feels. And was that was it was it was it equally welcoming when you came back and you were now famous or were they like, oh were they sort of circumspect and like let's see if he changed. I was pretty well known before I left South Africa. So it was just like, oh, congratulations. You've gone and put us on the world stage doing something.

That's great. So tell me about I imagine when you were doing a bunch of touring, you got you got used to life on the road and and all the bumps and bruises that go along with it. Uh-huh. And then you got this incredibly prestigious job and I'm sure we're making a whole hell of a lot more money than you were before and getting used to thread count nice candles and soaps and and the law. How has it changed you and made you more soft now and you it's tougher

going back out on the road. I'm sure you know, I know you're playing arenas and stadiums and stuff but um, Kent is the old Trevor still alive. Mm-hmm. It's it's funny. My my life went the other way around, you know, when I first thought of the daily show, I was actually earning less than I was doing stand up around the world. Yeah. I was working hard and I was doing pretty well.

Um, so it was really taking the job because of the challenge and the opportunity. Okay. Um, um, as for the as for the thread count, I think my life became a little bit worse because now I was in New York in the winters walking down the street in like a mini blizzard walking down like 11th Avenue. I don't know if you've been to the daily show studios in New York. It is one of the worst parts of New York. Yeah. Like in one of the worst parts. Wait, it's not that it's not like

worst part just for you to declare for the listener in that it's dangerous. And it's just more than it's shitty. Oh yeah. Dangerous. Dangerous would be better because then it means people are there to do something. Exactly. This is like a waste. It's like a barren wasteland of nothingness. It is such a fucking nothing. Yeah. It's just a pocket of nothing. Um, so tell us about the meeting with John and how and how that whole sort of idea sparked in John and how he approached you and what the

what what that conversation was like. So I got a call. I was I you know, it's one of those moments where you remember exactly what was happening, but not because of how immense it was in that moment rather because of how random the thing is that I was doing. I was in London. I was doing my my first tour of the UK. And on this particular day, I was standing in Harrods, the mega department store that sells everything. And when I say everything, I mean, everything you all probably know it's

and I couldn't afford anything in Harrods. Maybe like, you know, maybe some of the like the Christan's, I don't know. And the old I was standing in front of an underwater mo pad. Like a what? Like an underwater scooter thing. Like you ride it like a motorbike. But underwater. I have one. Yeah. Don't bore well. He's got one for him and all four boys. Wait, and under a water mo pad. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you see, this is what this is what my

brain was doing at that exact moment. My brain was doing the same thing. I was just standing there staring at it going, what is this? Why is this and why don't I try and get one and the price hold your breath while you ride the bike? No, it has a little bubble. You know, like those old those old sky what do you really call it? Like the diving before they had the tanks. Yeah. Yeah. You put a bubble over your belt. It has that. It has a bubble. And then my phone rang,

there was some long number. I had no clue what I answered the phone because I don't know anybody money. And the voice on the other end was like, Hey, this is John Stewart's. I was like, okay. John Stewart, I'm a comedian from America. I was like, oh, okay. And he's like, you've never heard of me. It's fine. Well, I've seen some of your stuff online. And you're like, sir, I don't know you. And and and he said to me, yeah, I saw some of your stuff on on YouTube. And I want to know if you

want to give a consider coming and doing stuff in the US. And I was like, yeah, not really maybe. And he's like, well, I work on a show called The Daily Show. And I was like, oh, I think I've heard of that because I had seen it on CNN International because we didn't have it on other channels in the world. And I was like, oh, yeah, I've heard of it. And he's like, oh, as you should have young man, he's very funny. You know, John. Yeah. Yeah. And then he invited me. You know, he's just

like, come and he's like, come and hang out. I think you're funny. And I like the way you see the world. Come and come and hang out with me when you get a chance. And so at first, I said, no. I was like, I've got the tour. And he's like, he said, are you saying no? What do you say? He said, are you saying no to the trappings of American fame and popularity? Who are you, young man? And I said, no, I've got a tour. I'll see you when I see you. And he said, well, if you're in

New York, look me up. And I said, definitely, thanks for the call. There's nice to hear from you. And then I went to New York, I think six months or eight months later, he called me again. He's like, I hear you're in town, but you didn't look me up. And I was like, oh, Jesus, this guy's relentless. Wow. So you hadn't told your agent about this phone call. Who would have probably

slept my number because they were like, it's John Stuart's. What if you'd hung up the phone with John Stuart and then the woman at the desk at her, it said, sir, your underwater milk that has been paid for by Mr. Stuart. I got to go to the dollar. Yeah, I got to go. Wow. I mean, then you say, yes, immediately. Yeah, then it's like a full on. So he so he so he tracks you down eight months later in New York. Yeah. And then he says come have coffee.

He said, he said, come to the show and hang out. Yeah. Just hang out. And that's all I did. I went there. We hung out. I remember them talking about like John Bayne or something. And then I was like, what is this world? What is going on here? So you had no idea about the political landscape in America. I do. I do the larger. In the rest of the world, we keep up with American

politics, you know, on a on a on a big scale. But the the the fine of minutia, you know, of filibustering and yeah, yeah, no, yeah, sorry to interrupt again, but the John Bayne story wasn't about him crying in some kind of like hungover with like red. Yeah, I think it was I think it was around that point. Yeah, okay. So you didn't really learn all the all the specific small time credens that populate the house. Yeah, no, I did not. Got you. We'll be right back.

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I remember somebody asked me they said to me when the Daily Show happened they said so are you going to they said are you a political comedian? You know the Daily Show is very political and I said oh no no no I'm not I genuinely is like I'm not a political comedian. I don't even I don't think of myself that way. When I spent a little time in the US I came to realize that what I thought of as non-political humor would be considered ultra-political humor in America.

Right because here the average person doesn't I think it's changed since Trump but back when I first got to the US most people didn't engage in politics you know everyone. People would literally say like oh I don't I don't follow politics I don't get involved I don't follow politics.

Right right yeah whereas in South Africa what we consider a basic level of of commenting or being involved in the system we don't think that's political for us political is marching in the streets freeing people from prison like protesting the system that's being political. Because the most parts of the we're just being engaged is there sort of your civic duty. That's the baseline. That's the baseline. No matter where you're in South Africa or Dubai

where isn't it full of like rich people or something anyway. That's the spot. So but I'm so fascinated that that John and the rest of the brain trust over there thought that you would be a great choice to take over a show that is a mix between comedy and politics. So it necessitates a full understanding of the comedy world a full understanding of the political world such that you can blend the two together find the nuance find the irony and wrap it all up in

you know a bunch of jokes for half an hour or more. Right. Like to talk to me about how did they explain to you what their expectations were and how you needn't worry about not even being from here and haven't lived here in a long time and how did that go? Well initially it was I always always describe the story as as feeling a lot like Charlie and the chocolate factory in that I popped in I had a great time with John and and I said to him I was like this is

I like what you guys are doing I guess but this is not for me. And then we laughed about we would just man because John and I just we get along we really you know there's there's comedians where you click with them and your rhythm and your vibe is is almost completely sympathical you just you just in it. I'd like to find the person that doesn't get along with John Stewart though I mean it's like

at the time. Yeah yeah yeah yeah but the comedy is like you know when it comes to comedy I find there's a it's like music there's there's a all musicians can play together but some musicians can create magic together and when you find comedians that you that you share that with it's pretty well there's beats in rhythm go ahead as you can see I'm still looking we've got them on a separate volume and still on surfer don't show in real quick Sean Sean real quick any follow questions about the

chocolate factory son a real place but if you have anything you like is that full of people who like chocolate. I have a thousand questions about chocolate factory oh my god last night I would made an ice cream sundae and I didn't have any whipped cream so I made whipped cream. Oh great.

Oh my god are you reading a screenplay about it? Hey Trevor would you would you say would you venture to say that actually coming here kind of a fall of to what Jay was saying that being an outsider gave you your perspective and almost a bit of an advantage I would suggest because you

because you don't have American politics or what we've sort of takes for granted as to how the system works in it with the dynamics are between the different the left and the right if you will just to make it as basic as possible because you come in with a different perspective and you just take it as face value like yeah this is a clown show yeah you know as opposed to being a somewhat padded with understanding the whole political system and that it's kind of a joke anyway.

So I think I think it's a it's a massive it was a massive disadvantage and an advantage you know the disadvantage is people don't like anyone who doesn't look like them or sound like them coming to tell them anything about them so you know I spend weeks getting random death threats and let's

us people hated how I said controversy and then it was you know the word controversy yeah controversy but did you really get death threats Trevor oh yeah yeah that's that's I mean that's that's quite it's like it's powerful the course I've learned as soon as you comment on American politics

in a public forum that's that's pretty much what happens to you yeah that was that was a disadvantage here's something I don't I don't get about the whole the whole phoning in or emailing in a threat a bomb threat or a death threat like aren't those the exact kind of threats you don't need to really

worry about because who the hell would warn you before they play like I don't I'm certainly not belittling it whatsoever but I'm always like I can't believe it's someone will clear out an entire office building if they get a bomb threat it's like well if they're if they want to put a bomb in

there they're probably just going to do it not tell you about it so the irony the irony that you look so much like Ted Kaczynski right now you're saying this kid's fucking killing me right no I just you know I get they I get that they've got to empty the building for insurance reasons

because they there's going to be a record that they received the threat but yeah so to that did you did you ever feel genuinely threatened in a way that was not just a sort of a random course I I don't know I mean it's it's it's scary yeah there's a there's a latent level of

anxiety that comes with anybody threatening you you know yeah and and and again I I need to you know I need to stay it I don't think it is I don't think it's that uncommon you know I'm pretty certain all the other late night hosts have gotten death threats it's just it varies

bearing to him or gets one a day I think I I've threatened Kimmel twice this week already and the beginning well and grace used to get death threats all the time are they they used to in 1998 so back then but was that like people said for a shitty joke sir

yeah you know we have fun Trevor we just have no that was because wait what was the question what were the threats about it will and grace oh no yeah they were written on yeah people took the time to sit down there's one this one real this wasn't a death threat one of the greatest

letters we ever got was this woman wrote in to willing grace took the time got a pen paper wrote it got a stamp mailed it like members before the internet and everything there's a lot of effort to really share with somebody how much you hate them but this one woman wrote in and she

said you know we're all going to hell you should be ashamed for putting this on television you are all horrible people but I love the show I just don't know what I just don't like what it's about oh wow and could you send me an A by 10 yeah can I get some tickets for the April 12th show

the craziest things so fucking crazy I guess it's the answer reason that you would get threats I mean do you get threats immediately upon doing it I guess I'm sure that a lot of the threats were we can all take our pick what they could be about you're you're a lefty yeah right

you're a liberal or yeah well and also you're in I mean 2015 I mean you were you the the caracene have been put on the dumpster and it was about to burst exactly it was the beginning of it was the beginning of Donald Trump and and everything that America now lives in as a normal

states yeah man so so that was the the majority of your material yeah so they're going after the person I mean think about that so you you're right you started you came to America as Jesus right at the beginning of the he was just putting the caracene the kindling on the dumpster fire

that we all now live in that's been your experience of America let me just say we've had some good times here dude yeah yeah I'm now I'm now amended with it if I get the time machine what I'm doing is I'm grabbing Trevor and I'm taking him back to like the mid 90s into the mid 2000 because we

had some we had a lot of good time it looked like a lot of swear it really was a lot of fun I don't want you to get the wrong impression happy days are here again soon I promise it's also wild that people instead of just not watching you are listening to this or watching that or whatever they

take the time to watch it and then comment on it instead of just turn the channel yeah yeah but you but you know at the time it was so hard launching the daily show that I actually preferred having those people then not I was like okay we have these people right no not even an

enemy I was just like we have viewers like these people right right right are passionately watching the show right and we need every single person to watch so there was there was actually one guy I reached out to those those a guy who was just tweeting vitriol at me on you know just on the

daily was like you know you're a piece of trash and you'll never make it and if I ever meet you in the streets and I DM this guy and I said to him hey man I just really want to understand like why do you hate me so much I've never met you I've never said anything about you or your life I'm

just trying to understand this and I've never seen a faster switch of tone he immediately was like oh hey dude oh yeah it's not personal and I have nothing against you I just thought it was funny to pile on and and he said in all honesty I've I've nothing against you I actually think

you're quite funny but I don't think you're gonna succeed I think the show will fail and it's a burn in crash and burn one and then and then I I said to him okay let's make a deal if I'm still on the air in six months you'll stay on as a lifelong viewer and then if I'm gone I will

retweet your tweet and I'll say you were right and he was like oh deal and then he was like good luck man I'm wishing you the best right and then six months later I DMed him again I was like yo are you still watching and he's like oh the show's gotten so great and you know what he made me realize

he made me realize I honestly eternally grateful to him because he made me realize that most of not all of but most of the the just most of the poisonous in fighting that you have in America is due to the fact that most people are speaking past each other not to each other and with each other 100

percent people don't actually engage people don't see each other's human beings it's all a theoretical exercise but you'll be surprised to find that most people when you sit down with them and actually if you're forced to have a type like a conversation where you connect people

start to see each other's humans yes a lot of assumptions going on too yeah yeah it's just a game it's like it's like it's like sports fans I think American politics has become like sports where you say everything to the opposing fans but you don't mean it mean it but you go like this is the

purpose of what we're doing we're here to tell them that they need to die and we want to kill their players yeah we hate everything they do and the ref is biased when he when he rules in their favor yeah but when you meet in a in a grocery store then they humans because they're doing the

same thing they were they yeah yeah yeah for sure they're exaggerating to make a point you know but yeah when you when you get face-to-face with it they they get a little bit more real yeah I mean I hate Manchester City as a as a football club I wait what yeah I hate man city but then I also

like love but I love Pep Guardiola and I love Holland and I love I never met anybody who has a like a what because I'm a Liverpool supporter massive Liverpool supporter but I don't hate Manchester City like just because they're gonna beat us yeah but I mean they've spent the money

and it's like I get annoyed but yeah you see it's funny that's where that like for me the rivalries are more games that I'll think of but man Manchester City I find the point was I say I hate them but then I like all the players on the team okay I like Pep Guardiola I like Holland I like the

broina I like feel-fold and I like all their players and the so I don't really hate them but I have to because they're me I do hate the Boston Bruins that's a hockey team that's that I do I do hate the Boston Bruins yeah yeah send me your letters I don't give a shit fuck you I fucking hate

them more than you fucking like hate me um Trevor now have you have you since now become is is following politics a hobby for you now do you do you enjoy it or now that you're out of there yeah you don't need to be in the swamp anymore um so I don't follow politics as a hobby what

I try to do is understand which conversations can exist beyond the noise you know I often try and explain to people when I'm having conversations with them is so the most interesting thing about the US system for me is the fact that it leads people to believe that there are only two

ways to do something you know it's Republican and it's Democrat and I've never understood that framing to be honest with you I've never even understood how how newspapers will report and and these are like distinguished newspapers they'll write a story that leads with Democrats win

with and it's a law that's changed when I but I go no that that that should just be the law has changed and that should be how you report it yeah it shouldn't be that it's a win for somebody or a loss for somebody else it's a lot of the media it's a lot of the media how they frame everything

yeah so so I follow it now to try and understand where the issue lies and the politics ends because issues are real politics are how we try and solve the issues but politics is not real it's not actually a real thing but Trevor and I'm not being quite here at all and maybe this is I think

you've probably noticed in this country certainly that there's not uh there's not a lot of appreciation in any aspect of life for nuance in this country yeah it's very binary and it's always a sort of a zero sum game that is part of the American experience you win you lose there's no nuance and that

is true that is true I will say you know if you if you want to liken it back to sports I always say to say to my American friends I go I see why soccer was never the most popular game and might never be it's because in soccer we have a draw we sometimes say you know what neither team one

neither team lost this was a great game everybody go home yeah yeah it's winners and loses and so if if politics is also about winners and losers then nobody wants to concede because it automatically means that they've lost right which isn't a good way to have politics as opposed to compromise yeah

politics should never be about winning or losing it should be about compromising and then you know understanding that the majority it's it's even strange do you do you ever think about it when you when you look at America's results I'm always shocked at how states are called blue or red and

then you look at the number and it's like 51% and people confidently say well that's a red state and I go like but it's 49% blue right or all the all vice versa everything's half and half yeah right everything's right in the middle yeah well if you think and this is true I think for politics

in general and so I don't mean to come off as completely naive but the idea that the actual politics are more and more important than the policy is absurd right all of the politics is opposed to be a mechanism by which we sort of the sort of drives policy right and and that it

should be what people are concerned about what what the actual issues are and they're not they're in they're much more invested in the game of it and as you said the win or lose of the yeah yeah but a lot of a lot of that I will blame you know to what you said Sean is like I think the media

has to take a lot of blame for that because the media has enjoyed turning it into a game right media has enjoyed turning it into a spectacle right and so if they reinforce that narrative then I find lawmakers you know one of the most interesting experiences I had when I first

came to America was I I went to New Hampshire for the primaries and this is literally I've been in America for barely a year now I'm in New Hampshire you know and and Vermont and all of these places and I will never forget seeing there were there were two politicians who were you know on the

on the stump and they were giving their speeches and it was vitriolic and they were you know this person is going to destroy the country they're going to do this day and then in the evening I saw them at a diner and the two of them were sitting together laughing and they were like yeah I don't

believe how's everything going I was a kid I don't understand yeah it's it's in many ways it's almost like wrestling it's like American politics you see these people in the ring and it's like triple H I'm going to rip you limb from them and as a fan you're like yeah kill him kill him yeah

and then only to find out that like your favorite wrestler who hates the other wrestler in your mind is actually great friends and as the godfather to their child yeah I think American politicians don't do a they don't do the country service they do it at this service by not showing everybody

that they do get along that they go out together that they have meals that their friends they're ready also getting also like I think language is important too like when when you know whatever do Republican or Democrat says who's ever in office they say well the Democrats stop blah blah blah

or the Republicans stop blah blah and it's like you have to say the Republicans in Congress feel this way or the Democrats in Congress yeah what happens is it generalizes everybody well I'm a Democrat well I'm a Republican you know now you're telling me that we all think that way no it's

just the lawmakers think that way you know that's the point and also think about the idea that like look it's it's the spring of an election year it of course and again at risk of sending completely naive of course they have to pick them against each other because they need to drive

ratings because we know that all of it is driven by commerce everything in the country is driven by commerce yeah and so so if there's no race if there's no they have to say so-and-so's leading by this if the election were today these are the weak spots he's ahead she's ahead he's

gonna crush he's not gonna cry they have to keep us in the game yeah and the reason is he more discerning yeah because they need us to watch the commercials in between so if you really want to get mad at it get mad at CNN and MSNBC and Fox and all of them because they're just

all they're doing is in service of commerce that's it yeah yeah it's completely in service of com if I would if I break it down into three levels I'll go you know on the media side I wish they would stop turning it into the spectacle that they do but they probably won't as you say

because they can't the money's there yeah well that's what they want to get you know once you come across the board they know sports get the best ratings in this country yeah so if they can turn into a football game they'll do it right but on but on the ground is what I think as people

I that's something that I found strange coming to America is how people would say I am a Democrat I am a Republican and I'll be like what what does that mean where I come from people just talk about how they voted but they are not the thing right you know and I think I think if you take

yourself away from being the thing you allow yourself the opportunity to either be disappointed by the thing or step away from the thing when it is necessary you know because it shouldn't be a sport you shouldn't be I am a like I am a Liverpool supporter is correct we will go up and down

with Liverpool yeah whereas in politics you just say I voted for this and then I voted against it and it's like I'm not that thing well imagine if you imagine we lived in a world where you can just all you did was you weren't voting there weren't there was no such thing as a party and you just

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you're like I did it I'm moving on to some air be oh no or like like would you like you have um aspirations to host the Oscars the am like award shows or any well you've done the yeah you the Grammys um how many years now right oh that's right I forgot I'm TV and the Grammys has

been fun I've done the Grammys a few times now now were you a huge music fan before that uh have you as your human was a human that's a strange example well who doesn't like music chasing no but I mean like questions obsessed with it Jason doesn't know what humans do do

um well maybe better better question would be has your has your has your passion for music increased since you've been behind the curtain and I'm i by the way I before I apologize of course I've watched on the Grammys that completely forgot yeah no no you're fed you know what can I

you're gonna style but sorry I know there are no no no no no don't do that to show on guys don't do that I know I know I know what he means and I'll tell you why showing it's funny I don't think the Grammys is the same as like the Emmys or the Oscars or any of those shows because I'm an actor

so I'm like I watch those more yeah but also the Grammys is like a the Grammys is like hosting a concert yeah you know the Emmys and the and the Oscars and you know all these other wars they do feel like an award show the Grammys just feels to me like a concert this you know yeah

yeah so I yeah that's true that's great I've definitely developed a greater appreciation for artists seeing them rehearse seeing how hard it is to get everything right seeing them do it live that's that's what's what's definitely increased and then also my my palettes like this every time I'm at

the the Grammys I discover a new artist that I now become a fan of what about a full genre like yeah definitely country are you a fan of country I listened to way more country now than I ever did you know what I mean everybody like like the Luke Holmes you name it I just got into it because

you would hear the song so many times in rehearsal and you'd see how amazing it could be and then you you fall in love with it I am that Tracy Chap that Tracy Chapman performance oh my god I just amaze I cried my eyes out yeah no I know I'm not a huge a lot of the music of the Grammys is not

really my taste generally but it's it's it's all kinds of music on the Grammys now but I'm such like 90s in the rock yeah they would have awarded your bands your yeah if it was like built this bill in dinosaur junior in the pixies I would have been like yeah great but but then I watched that Tracy Chapman and you just forget when a unreal fucking yeah she is yeah Trevor what is what is what is what is the what is the phone number that you've that you've gotten from hosting the

Grammys all these years that you're most proud of which which artist what what famous rocker do you now have on your phone oh I don't I don't I don't have anybody's number to be honest with you you don't you know come to hey hey be let be ready to hang out I wasn't a band you can have my number I

would I would gladly take it this is a strange thing to say but like so I always found it strange that people would try to be friends just because they're in in a similar space so I don't know how to explain the famous I'm famous we should hang out yeah but but okay so this is what this is

what would happen to me all right you you would all probably understand this I remember when I first came to America and and now I would get invited to events because you know part of the daily showing you go to these events and everyone would be like oh we should hang out you take my number

take my oh my god Trevor we got we got to hang out sometime we got to get a coffee we got to get a coffee this guy's great we got to get let me get your number we're good I'm there all the time we got to do and I would give people my number and in my head I was like wow I'm making so many

friends these people are so friendly this is amazing and then I would hear nothing from them yeah I would message them I would hear nothing they would respond at all people by the way people in Hollywood changed their numbers all the time like I don't even know who or like everyone has

like a new number all the time yeah and then and then what would happen was this was my favorite one of my favorite memories I met somebody and this has happened a few times I met the same person at another event maybe like a year later and they're like oh my god Trevor this is oh man how have

you been congratulations and I wait man we got to hang out we let me let me get your number let me get and I was like I think you have my number they're like no no no I changed phones and I got a whole day didn't your number I was like my number didn't change like no and then I put my number

in on their phone and you know when you type it in then my name just popped up and I was like you have my number yeah yeah what wait what yeah yeah I don't then and then what and then what did Justin Thoreau do oh let me let me tell you okay I have the great the greatest Jason Bateman

story for me at least for me at least this is one of this is I don't know if you remember that this is easily easily my my favorite memory of you it's also it's also a horrific memory but now I love it so I can't remember yesterday so chances are high I was so I was invited to a it was a

Netflix party before one of the Emmys right it was for like a whole bunch of nominees before the Emmys and Ted Sarandos was hosting this event and everyone's gathered and it was I mean it was star-studded it was crazy me and you don't you don't see these people all the time that's the

misconception everyone has that if you're on the same platform you just hang out right yeah I was I was just standing there you know and I look across the the the garden with this events being held and I see Jason and I'm like oh my god and I I've loved you forever I go you know

easily want like my favorite comedy performers I mean all of you are in different things like sure nice to watch Will and Grace my mom okay no no no no no okay this is don't don't throw the compliment away I mean it like like literally the timing the cadence the everything will everything

you're doing like Bojack horsemen it's like so I love comedy I love the last last right we're not in well yeah I mean I mean this I'm going forward you are easily one of my favorite funny people ever but at that time OZac was just it was my life it was the best it was a very

thing I had seen that had flipped the whole genre of like you know drug where my favorite comedy is I thought it was very funny actually so so I see you and you see me standing across the way and you look at me and you just gave me like a little like a like a little eyebrow like hello

hey man you know and I was like oh damn okay and so I walked I walked over to you and I said hello and you were very kind like hi and I immediately went to I was a fuse of I said I love everything you do and and I just I went and I said you did this and I was like I love game nights and I

love this and I was just listing everything up because I love I genuinely love them all and but then I said I said to you I said oh and most recently you crushed it you know I didn't think Antman was gonna be good and it was phenomenal and you and you listened to me break down the whole

Antman everything and then and then you paused and I swear it was like you had written this you you face you went like huh and you said uh do you think that I am poor Rudd and I will never forget that moment and I went no I thought that Paul Rudd was you

I gave him I but it's true I was like I gave him your performance is how good I think you are I just well anything good he did I was like it should be Jason Bateman I guess I strive to be Paul Rudd yeah and we just and we just staring each other awkwardly for a moment and you said huh

did you come here because you thought I was someone else and I said no and you said but you said Antman and I said I would rather I would rather say that I'm racist and you will look the same then I admit that that happened and then we just stood there awkwardly for a moment and you

were very nice we just stood there and we and I said well one day we'll meet again um hopefully under uh uh uh difference and what I should have said is don't worry I'll never remember this because I know how to pour cement over over bad memories yeah JB JB do you JB do you remember that I do

not he doesn't remember anything try to by the way don't take it personally all I know how to do is remember is remember dialogue that my brain at an early age was was formed into that being a one trick I'm a one trick pony I can remember what about a coat what about what about a coke dealer's

number uh yeah yeah still do you remember that yeah remember it's been 20s or two years do you remember do you remember old dialogue though uh no that I have a great delete button too so that I have you know room okay on on my on my drive for tomorrow to not remember the other things yeah he's one

of the all-time great dialogue uh uh credit memorizer but I will go all go to a movie with somebody and two days later I'll talk to that person I go oh you know what I saw a couple days ago you yeah see this movie right I've done it I do that a dozen times what does that mean I do that too

sometimes I'll do it to Scotty I'm like I was at this movie like I was with you I mean it's terrible but maybe it's good because it's the I'm with somebody who feels so comfortable I mean it blocks out the bad memories right early onset that could be it could be just just a trace why are you saying

it early you think you're not that young uh just let it fucking compliment into yourself who what uh oh here's another one here's another one before before you carry on this was this was can I just say so you know obviously I'm a huge fan of the podcast and um I um I understand

the the format but here's the thing I didn't know that the surprise guest was really a surprise thing yeah okay we didn't know you're gonna come on so broken at a couple times yeah so we we were at the Vanity Fair Oscars party right yeah and I said yeah yeah and will and will walks by

will walks by you walk straight to me will but you walked to me with the confidence of somebody who knows that I'm coming on to the podcast yeah and you were like hey and then you said yo I'm so excited and I didn't know what I was like oh and then I was like I'm so excited to chat to

you and then as I said that Jason was behind you staring at me like I killed his whole family yeah he couldn't hear anything by the way he's just staring at me and I said I'm so excited to chat to you about Formula One and then we started talking about Formula One interesting I think it was funny

that you said that now that I remember you saying that and I was thinking like man he's really into Formula One he's really honed in on me on the Formula One and he's been looking I was panicking I was like oh I screwed the whole thing up I was just saying and I was like oh let's just get into

Formula One and you did look at me like man this guy really went deep into Formula One in the middle of an Oscars party right off the right and then yeah and then you walked away and then Jason came up to me and he said please you did you didn't say anything you don't you don't you don't

fuck this up you're the surprise guys you don't you don't you don't you fuck this up I can say anything I didn't say anything and then he walked away did you say that to him you said hi yeah I said it's funny I had somebody else at the thing as well that same night after you

Trevor I won't say it is because I don't know whose guest it is come up to me and somebody I've known a long time and I go what's up dude because I'm coming to talk to you on your stupid podcast and I go well I didn't know that asshole sorry sorry rockwell did that too

guy oh yeah rockwell did you like getting gustyed up like that Trevor and going out by the way let me say something you looked yeah super sharp I look cool like a very sharp yeah thank you thank you I've never heard that term gustyed up gustyed up yeah yeah we got some beauties here in this country

you're your your your bit of Illinois no okay no no I've never been ever actually yeah no I do I do I do enjoy it yeah I mean I went to so in in South Africa in school you you wear school uniform your whole life so I actually like dressing up like that because I feel like it's it's no stress

no I go yeah you put on the pants you put on the jacket and you know you're doing rights and then we're lucky women have it so tough yeah they do like fun the gown and then those shoes on yeah we're comfortable shoes my toes are all individually spaced out it's

wonderful you know I think that when you said women have it so tough they were expecting something a little more than the shoes in the gown but okay this is how we get into this is how we get into the on track stuff I deal with Trevor I want to you know I brought it up at the start talking

about Africa and I want to know how often you get back to Africa I'm so I've never been I never never I want to go I'm depriving myself I really want to go this is the same thing this is the same thing I get in most of my hate mail when are you going back to Africa oh no well can I

let me just add that can I go with you I want to go because you're kind of like the dude I do you get back often I go back all the time yeah I'm the all the time I go especially like since I left the daily show I get to go back a lot more you know I spend time with my mom spend

time with family I'm there I would say I'm there like every two two months really so nice that's great yeah I love along a flight 16 hours from New York and then 20 it becomes like a weird 25-ish hour journey from from LA yeah 16 hours direct South African airways yeah no no actually

United is the only island that flies there now oh really yeah so you know the life give it and life take it away yeah and and and and America you're you're you're you're you're new adopted home do you generally what what what what you take on it oh I love you like it do you have

favorite places so here's the here's the thing yeah here's the thing about America is the height I think again you see nuance is is maybe what what is lacking sometimes I think people take for granted that you can live in a place where you find it both amazing and at many times disappointing

depending on what you're experiencing of it yeah you know people will sometimes walk up to me in the streets and they'll be like you hate America you piece of trash why don't you leave it I'm like who said I I would not live anywhere I hate to start with that secondly I genuinely find a lot

of America amazing and I find I find it's the it's the optimism that is etched into the very fabric of the country that I find amazing you know it's it's an amazing country where black people at a time when they had no rights believe that there was a path for them to get equal rights even

that is a strange level of optimism that I think is beautiful and profound yeah considering how they were living yeah yeah that's exactly yeah yeah so incredibly ambitious yes yes it has it has that and I think it I think it's a wonderful trait to hold on to and to never lose and so

while America has many faults other countries have many I travel all the time so I'm under no illusion I don't I don't think of America as best or worst I just think every place has the issues that it is dealing with at the time that it's dealing with them yeah you know so so you you yeah I know

there's something I've always loved about Americans and America as a place and how different each state in each city is and you know I'm I'm I'm eternally grateful to be here your West Coast guy or an East Coast guy I split it I I find the East Coast is great for your mind the West Coast

is great for your body yeah and I mean your body not physically but just like you like I feel like you breathe a little more you you you sleep better you eat better you yes it just has a calming effect on you but the East Coast is great to get your brain just like really stimulate it

and going yeah I agree with you there's a lot and and I moved here when I was 20 from from Canada so it wasn't that far but I do agree that there's so many great things and and I give this country a lot of shit and but I've been here a long time and there's so many great things about this country

and I agree with you but it's important for us to point out the stuff you know to be to be honest about the shortcomings because yeah I'm to care for yeah well yeah you got you got to think you've got to think of America like a Boeing airplane you you should you should appreciate the fact that it

can fly and the fact that it does is pretty amazing I mean the fact that this tin can is floating in the sky at 40,000 feet that's pretty amazing that's wild but if you if you stop paying attention to it and you don't try and constantly improve it then the doors might fall off and the landing years might fail yeah and the wheels and the wheels fall off and it also inexplicably will lose power when it's

traveling from Australia to New Zealand in fall 500 feet in a second the point is I get what you're saying but it's like sex too it's like even when it's bad it's still sex right it guys are we saying that sure yeah sure are we going to go with that I mean is that the last thing we're going

to get Trevor probably workshop that was a little bit after we're done I'll need to digest that one yeah Trevor you are you are nine minutes over you're obligated time and I apologize for that we love you what are you thinking you don't like what an absolute this is great let me get your number

let's hang out we should do that I'll let you know what I mean here but actually because you're a Liverpool fan and F1 like we we actually should hang out I'll you know we can just watch the things and then even if we say nothing we had a good time he's not a bad actually shouldn't I actually

will do it I actually will I like that thank you okay all right thank you sir hopefully I see you again soon yeah until then thank you yeah thank you so much for having God bless really cool yeah thank you Trevor nice to get to know you we say in Africa we say God bless and may symbol always be by

your side wow that's exactly what I was thinking I feel like he's kidding but I'm gonna take him at his word I'm gonna take him at his word thank you thank you see you in jobers thank you have a great rest of the day thanks Trevor bye bye buddy well that you know listen I'll tell you

what our our our our best I really like that Trevor Noah I really yeah yeah I know I really like him I really like him I'm so is he all right I think that he's a special dude I really like him yeah so he's smart like I didn't know anything about him I just thought I was a fan just apologize

what I probably yeah I apologize but he's got a reading I love talking to him so much we didn't even get to his his podcast on Spotify his podcast on Spotify is called what now okay what now what now what now what now and that's on Spotify and he's on tour right now like all over the world

and tickets are on sale through November so if you're in Singapore Stockholm Copenhagen France Germany Rotterdam Auckland Melbourne I mean the guy is hopping all over yeah it's like a real international superstar yeah yeah comedy superstar the real most of the common comedians that we

know who are friends who we adore but they're all in they're all going to fucking Denver in Omaha and shit right like a bunch of fucking ding dong's right but then you got Trevor Noah and he's in Singapore I mean all our fucking stupid American comedian friends can suck it Trevor's out in

the world places right sophisticated it's a good cool shit yeah I like talking to people like I learned so much just from a quick hang like that yeah I've also you know been thinking about that city he performed that recently do you guys remember the name of that city oh here comes

here comes over here comes over here come what are you trying to wrap it up already we've barely talked about him what do you want to say more I love him he's super smart I wanted to come back so I can learn more he's excited about his buy let him get to it what were you talking about Sean's well

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