Приbe Jonah potlock by Alfred Neil Our friend Paul Gary Harold So yeah, but I feel like there's something really special coming. Well, it sounds like you guys are really cleaned up for today. Yeah, yeah, but you shot did you do anything? No, I was just I got up early because I was nervous about today.
Well, you good good right to be it's it's a big big day for us Because of our listeners because we were or were a place that really important folks like the Tim Walls campaign to think that This might be a worthy stop So thank you to you listeners you guys made this happen and we are really excited to talk to our next guest
So get ready. We also want to say I know that a lot of people You know coming to listen to smartless because it's a great place to kind of get away from all the noise and stuff But we do and snap yeah, but JB you were talking like this is also a really good time to remind people that they need to
Yeah, that they don't need to vote, but they should vote they could vote We happen to have our own opinions that become pretty you know apparent and evident just because we're on the side of common sense But just vote a lot of people hurt or killed or whatever trying to secure that right for all of us
Yeah, let's just go use it. We only get to do it once every you know Few years and I think you're right and and again It can't be said enough, which is even if you'd if you don't agree with us That's okay, but still good out vote It's still important. We all have that right and I respect your right to do it and you should respect mine Did Jay when you said common sense do you think I have a lot of common sense?
It's an old news smartless Smart By the way dinner was really good last night was it yeah, it was really what we would we have oh, I know we had with burgers Right burgers and did you bring a dessert Sean? I'd brought a ton of dessert. Did you really listen? I'm not even kidding I brought brownies rice crispy treats banana muffin. Sorry. I just want to stop it So you break I thought for you recipe cakes were for breakfast breakfast. That was a breakfast
Well, that's the great thing about them. You can eat them anytime of the day. That is the great thing about that Thank you. Yeah, so will did you will you try each one of those things? I did not know how about that he's pretty disciplined about the sugar
Right. Yes, and then I told you will by the time I get home I will have a bowl of ice cream and I did And I said to Sean we were talking about sleep, you know, which has been a great thing for us And I he was talking about his poor sleep hygiene in waking up or not being able to go to bed And I said you're having what are you having at night? It goes nothing. I'll this will be it This will be not me only go and when I get home I mean I might have some ice cream There it is
Anyway, let's get to our guest. Oh, yeah, who's guest is this I've not heard his own it's America's guest It's America's there are only a few times probably less than five I don't know on this show this thing that we do where the guest All three of us know who the guest is because they're a big freaking deal and today is one of those shows and I speak For all three of us when I say that this is a huge honor to have him come speak with us for a bit
He's many things all of which we'll get into shortly from the Army National Guard to teacher to congressman to governor To so many other things but to me he's the quintessential all-American dad I never had oh, and he's also a coach something else I could probably use in my life Currently running to be the next vice president of the United States of America. Please welcome Tim walls Well there well hang on well what what what how do you like to be addressed just him?
I just him just him to that. I so much. I will say this though We we did a trade mission to London and the you know the hello governor stuff I just just lived on it for the entire In the entire week and it wasn't ironic it was like real I know that's that's Derek was better. Yeah, no Tim is great Tim I want to get because I saw Will last night. Jay. We missed you. We were at the Dodger's I know I know I know
I cut should have skipped the Dodger game. They got waxed. No, but we were talking about sleep We always talk about sleep with these guys because I've always had trouble and then I'm like you got thrown into this campaign Obviously like your way this is going no I want to know it's a very dumb Sean Smartless question is your sleep hygiene like you go You seem like you go 24 hours a day just going for this you have to do all the way to your team that you're not getting enough sleep
That's what I'm worried about that's my question. When do the naps happen? How do you how do you get where the energy comes from? You know the good thing is is you know old men need less sleep or whatever I guess look
I don't I do not sleep that much. It's I've been using this saying. It's kind of my catch thing you know I said, you know, we'll sleep when we're dead and I don't want to come up to me goes you're taking this to literally you look like hell man She meant it well, but No, I'm always I was fascinated about that but schedule like you're just the schedules full all day every day
It's amazing. Yeah, no well. It's a privilege to do it But you're right my my daughter keeps me on the she got one of these rings You know monitor your sleep would every day and say need one of those, but I I think that will just tell me what I already know I'm not getting any sleep. That's all I'll say Tim let me just let me just say this is somebody I haven't done the ring But I've done the apple watch thing whatever. Yeah, let me and I will say great apple watch it Sorry, the great apple
Oh, don't worry. He already got it. I think it's really good stuff. I think these apple folks are on to something It's great and work Tim by the way we are we should be called not smartly. We should be called shameless And if there's any product out there you've got your eye on and just mention it and we'll have them said it
That's just 16 pro guys. It's really working So show what I was gonna say about that watch those sleep tracking things I got into it for a while And I think your daughter is right because you go like okay, well working But then at the end of the day what ends up happening is you start feeling bad
So I wake up and I go I think I did okay and then I'm like oh my god. I only got three three hours of rim and then I got Sleep panic Yeah, yeah, it's it is just the thing I think seeing the one thing about this is is there there is an end state if you will on November 5th So you just kind of put your mind into it and say look there will be a time when this ends. Oh really? That's probably not true. You think things get calm after the fifth Oh
It's the trick I play myself. Yeah team is good. I I'm surprisingly And you wouldn't know what by looking at me. I'm a pretty dedicated runner. I run about five times a week. Oh, that's great
How far do you go? I go a 5k usually between three and five miles and I'm like for an old guy I'm kind of freakishly fast, you know Nine-minute miles little less or whatever which is wow and you know people like oh my god That's a world record for a man your age No, but now do now you can't well as governor you had security detail were you running with or you want a treadmill?
I do a treadmill quite a bit of the time But you have to get outside and my team knows like wherever we're anywhere and actually You know here a while back after we finished that debate the next morning I got to run in Central Park and it was nice That's good. We ran that reservoir route. Yeah, of course. It's just stunning
And I'm still truly, you know the small town guy enough. I have not spent much time in New York It just blows me away when I'm there Yeah, it's nice and incredible and that morning, you know so many great people was you know Kind of good for the good for the psyche y'all good job governor
Yeah, and I'm like oh thank goodness and and they're of course super surprised. I'm running too So it was like a double I like the idea of you running in Central Park looking around and really because you haven't been there a lot taking it in Torling around not unlike very terrible or in Minneapolis That is surprisingly close to how I think we'll make it after all Now Tim when you're running what are you do you have do you have like
AirPods in are you listening to music? Are you listening to rarely sometimes? I'm kind of zen on that I got into it, you know, and then I got into the garment watch and then I got in on the timing and you know Oh, look, he's looking for free of you now Yeah I kind of let that go and I kind of you know run by feel Yeah, trying to get into it and I do think there's something and especially like when I'm in Minneapolis
You know, I got a state trooper, but it's just pretty calm. They're running behind or whatever right folks who run Leave there. I'm convinced of this dog folks and runners. They leave politics out of it because they know it's your time So it's really refreshing that people talk to you like a runner not like you're the governor or something So like you know looking good or whatever. Yeah, you have a favorite subject that you do like to talk about
That is not politics like are you a sport? I know your sports guy But like you love talking about The Vikings or the corn huskers or whatever it is or or or or or or reality television or what what what what do you like to talk about this kind of nice and silly Yeah, I I think cars I grew up at a time you guys little younger than me this whole cars thing I think we were much more into it, you know, the Pixar movie. I remember I Apologize for him
So but I just think like classic cars. I've never really owned that many, but you know the cars you have I watched the cars I used to own the United that grew up in high school and had a beautiful Camaro, you know at the time and then I hated it for Honda Civic and now you watch these auction shows and I'm like damn it
That car's worth 80,000 dollars now. Yeah, I traded it for Honda Civic worth two grand I had my mom gave me this like I kicked and screamed in high school like please can I just have a go You remember like a two hundred dollar car like rushed all over it and my friend Rayna you know Rayna
He's guys never in a she called it grease lightning and she's like you taking grease lightning to school today Now what about are you are you really into the sound of a combustion engine or are you are you in into the The electric engine the clean hour of an hour of electric look whole spectrum the whole spectrum of this I was in I was in Phoenix for It was a governor's of enter whatever and there's folks there displaying their wares and the the lucid folks were there Yeah, oh yeah, they're
fastest production car ever you put any Lamborghini out there this thing and It's like inside a spaceship. Oh, this thing's like 1.8 seconds in the quarter. I mean it's Zero to 60. It's it's unbelievable And it's like a whole new world and and I have never yet owned a fully electric, but they are they're fascinating So yeah, I'm so delighted that every single car brand now has a fully electric car
And and you know, I don't want to throw undue shade towards mr. Musk, but I got to tell you his politics is I get rid of my Tesla I feel like I'm driving around a trump sticker with that car So it's gone and I am now enjoying I mean the crib I call it the crypto truck It's just Here's my thing. Yeah, this is for me, and I said my think my prize possession is that I've had it for a long time
I got a 79 international harvester. You know, they used to give these things away. I count you like a scout scout Dude there you look you guys hear that? This thing so but yeah, these things are you used to get it if you bought a tractor They threw in the scout boy original SUV. Yeah, there was a you know back in the late 70s So mine was right before they went out of business. It was 1979
They wonder they went out of business. They were the precursors of SUVs, but here's the deal 40 years ago at the end of October is when they closed they were made in Fort Wayne, Indiana So on that date this year they're announcing the new scout bringing it back fully electric So yeah, so an international harvester scout that famous name named Dave is back. Yeah, Volkswagen bought it
Um, and so they're they're launching that thing. So I mean that's the stuff I talk about and yeah, it's the car stuff because it's such You gotta go do decks deck shepherds podcast because they'll talk you They'll talk to you for three days about these guys and I the guys who are so smart tell me how to do it look
I'm I'm tinker on the edges. These are guys that can you know replace a transmission stuff I love that I said when I get done with this I'm gonna go back to like community college and learn like body work You know just the sense of accomplishment that you can fix your own vehicle Yeah, you can put on a new quarter panel you can paint it um give it on you took body work in high school right like a lot of rakey and stuff like that If you broke down inside of the road or you one of those guys
They can they can just pop the hood and look under there and and and kind of look around and see like oh it there's the problem Yeah, some of it some of it I can't but look on these new ones like I don't even know how to open the hood
I will say that I have something these are my old guy these newfangled But the the cars that you used to be able to do my kids it would blow their mind like some of this stuff We could fix like my my vehicles overheat and I said oh it's the thermostat and you show them how to take it out Put it in boiling water pop the thing I was gonna say kids don't know that stuff anymore They know and there's some adjacent has as it calls as agent if he gets a flat tire yeah, so
So I mean and that's the truth him you need to know the truth about this guy, but I mean the Hollywood elitist liberal elitist But but I'm on the corner but honestly if me like if if my car starts to go to do to do to do I'm pulling over and I'm like I don't know yeah, I have no idea yeah same makes you feel powerless I said I think to join my kids some of these things that you can try and repair I like to know look we all know that's also very very dangerous because I don't know
Sometimes and I start taking stuff apart and then you're like well here's six extra screws and there's no idea where they're going There's a bit of that would be so yeah for sure now speaking of your kids Which one of them or you or your wife gets most pissed off when somebody Caused you waltz instead of walls. Yeah, yeah, my daughter probably yeah, it's a whole new it's a whole new wave of it now, right?
Like what it would it what are people's problems wall? There's no tea. Yeah, there's no tea. It seems pretty easy that does yeah But you know in all fairness. I'm I probably when you know when we immigrated from from Germany they they probably dropped the tea and Well, this is the last wave of it like you you cannot get more famous than you are now
So everyone is self-finally got it. I can't tell me what that I know this is like a stock answer But I really want to know what that feeling was like in the reaction when you got the call from Kamala
I mean that was so wild well, you know the story in typical me fashion. I missed the first one I thought it was like you know a car warranty call coming in so I didn't take it Yeah, no one knew like this was her decision in that Tuesday morning no one knew and then I got another call and said pick up your Damn phone. Yeah, and then call back. Um your warranty maybe expiring
It was uh, it was overwhelming. It was incredible privilege But uh, I heard you guys talking and I listened to the the Ted Danson would hear also in peace about you know imposter syndrome No, just trust me when when the vice president of the United States calls you said you're on the ticket with me
Yeah, um, it sinks in so well. Yeah fast fast Have you have you allowed yourself to to really imagine and and and start to build Like a possible wish list of things that you would like to be given the reins to when you guys win Well, this is one and I think it's just your mental health of compartmentalizing things Uh, still focused on you know the the final stretch that's ahead of us still thinking about that I trust the vice president will make her decision on that you know
I said I wasn't interviewing for a job when I talked her I said use my skill sets if you need to plunk me in Omaha to win one vote send me there Just what I would help and I think she and it it it feels really right to me She talks about you know kid from Oakland a kid from Nebraska middle class kids
Kind of complimentary things we've lived different lives. We have the same values So I would assume she would know you know my passion is his kids in teaching Yeah, and education and yeah, that's it We'll be right back And now back to the show
We were just talking with somebody recently about this idea of like getting nervous when you're putting it in a position like this and Getting a call from the vice president saying hey, you're on the ticket And makes you probably makes you feel nervous, but I wonder if
When something like this happens, it's it's almost like a thing that you can't even dream about at least certainly I could it So it's almost like you can't get even nervous because it's so far beyond what you I can get nervous about things that I think about doing but if someone comes that's new No, that's a great that's a great knowledge. I mean think of that day This was a Tuesday morning we got the call within 20 minutes my life changed like you know
I said I'm mine and my own damn business at home. It always on it blows up. It should be noted It should be noted to me. I did turn it down. I was the first call and then But they sweep in you've got all this folks around you they pack your clothes for you and tell you You go in and get on a private plane, which is I've never flown on a private plane to do this so they fly you to
That's funny because they Jason's never not I was waiting for Well, they take you to Philadelphia and then I also and I told them when they're interviewing me I said look I've never given a speech off a teleprompter I speak and it look it it has its problems and I told them you'll get about 90% good Then you'll get 10% stuff you'll have to clean up. That's me because that's how I talk But they sent me there they put me in the back of a college locker room
And they had mocked up the stage. I was going to go on in about an hour and put that speech on the Teleprompter and so I practice it a little bit and then I'm standing at that door In Philadelphia. Oh my god 12 15,000 people waiting to see the vice president in this announcement She understanding out of the curtain and she's like, you know, well get this right They don't open up and then that's what was but no, it's just you're right
I think your analysis is right. It was just too big to get nervous about it I didn't have time to think about it. You didn't seem it when you came out it was He was so terrific and it felt like Here we go
Honestly, Tim it really felt like here we go. We are entering into a new age and and thank god Tim Tim is the guy and team is here and there are a lot of other great candidates for sure and that authenticity and that You enjoy and happiness and privilege that you must be feeling it comes through and it's just so damn refreshing It was it hard for you to maintain that Down to earth personality, which you clearly have when you got into politics Where where most of your fellow politicians?
either Have to be or have learned to be overly polished and and and and slick Was it is it is it disheartening for you to be around so many colleagues that are like that It's just you're so refreshing. Well, it's a different approach and I always say this that I I never and honest to god I never thought about running for office Um, that was a whole life before this teaching national guard in my community and things like that But I think my life prepared me well
And so I approach like that you look you have got to be pretty self-aware and pretty humble to teach high school for a lot of years Yeah, yeah, but it's also so gratifying and I think one of the things is is is that I'm super sensitive to this idea um These are servant leadership positions. This isn't a special thing that you've been granted your job is to work for people And I try and approach it like I was hired to teach kids in school So I need to do my best job, you know
And I've been hired to be a representative and I I took great pride that I was very bipartisan I you know this idea that we can't figure things out my staff We always had a saying that you know if the facts dispute our ideology we change our ideology It's that simple and I'm married to it
Um, so a lot of times I don't have a ideological dog in a fight It's just what the facts show and I think trying to approach these things like problem solving you're working with people You're trying to do your best
I'll be the first to admit it has been really challenging with Donald Trump, you know this I want a congressional race in 2016 Um Donald Trump won my district by double digits nearly 20 percent So so thousands of people voted for Donald Trump and me on that that was only a few years ago Now would that be true today? Probably not they've continued to but I think trying to focus on what the job is
That it's a humbleness and it's not your whole identity. I watch these folks try and hang on to these jobs and things like that Like it's everything if the folks don't want me to do it. They won't do it But I'm telling you Here's what we can do yeah, you know timmy, you know first of all I hope and congrats and I I really do hope that you're run as you as you say you were you were a high school teacher in a coach And you had no sort of political aspirations. I hope that you deciding to do it
It inspires other people like you. Yeah, who are leaders in their community And who aren't looking to to enrich themselves who aren't looking for anything other than to serve I hope that inspires other people to do what you've done because that's what we need. I mean hundreds every day Who should they won't they won't though Because of the money and because of what they afraid will happen if they get into it and because
Yeah, and in their lives will get upended and security Yeah, we were speaking of the overwhelming thing on this back during that debate, you know They drove me through Times Square to see my picture up on those big screens and so somebody said you look nervous No kidding. I'm sitting there freaking out. I'm But I'm honest to God before things went live. I'm standing there and I'm like There's 345 million people in this country. It's me and this dude. That is just all right
And it's it's true. I mean, it's kind of overwhelming But that kind of got rid of my imposter syndrome and said look
I know that I know what's right. I know why I'm I'm gonna just go back to your values And yes, and if you leave so Will's point is this that I do hope people do this I do hope they get out there because we need them we need good people What was I was gonna say and then and then you you know What do you think it was when you talk about having a you know a guy like Donald Trump getting double digits in your district?
What do you think it was that allowed people to convince themselves That that he would be you know when I see that they you know these top unions are deciding like well We don't know if we can endorse a national candidate this year because they're worried about their membership union
Union member imagine this Union members who want to support Donald Trump the guy who wants to do nothing but who has nothing but disregard for them Yeah, it's staggering and I'm sure I could get a million comments back on this somebody on one of our social pages people
Would say hey if you aren't at you don't know what you're talking about you've never first of all I have had lots of real jobs So I say right back at you, but but also You know this is a guy who doesn't have any regard for the American family doesn't have any regard for hardworking people
Doesn't have any regard would would bust a union as as quicker than you know Then then you can imagine so what is it about that that they've been able to fool Well these people it yeah in rank and file union members one thing look the leadership in unions That's more political than what I'm doing
Right They have to cover their butt on on their things and I'm as frustrated as you are on this well But the one thing I do think about you wonder what happened um The first thing I think if there's not something wrong with my constituents there These are good people trying to go to work and do things and like the New York Times since somebody out every few weeks to interview a guy at a bar
And figure out what happened to rural America these are my family. I've lived there I do think one of the things I always said this as a teacher if I would give an exam or something And a majority of students would not do well probably had a little something do with me in there
Was I not getting it across and so I think some of it is is how we message this I don't you know, I don't think that's the full blame on it certainly Donald Trump is a master of of manipulation a master of what new media look like But I do think there's some ways is what are we not doing to appeal to those rank look?
I'm a union member. I think you know, that's uh, that's what I did And I get a lot of union support, but I know there's some rank and file members and so they're not monolithic It's not their only issue right, but I say this and I'm kind of with you on this will The rest of it is is you don't have to worry about all the rest of that stuff if you're not in a union
Because you're not getting paid as well. You're not gonna have a pension. You may not have health care Um, you better focus on the things that matter stay in your lane and um, so They've done a good job at distracting on things that are the cultural war stuff rather than the bread and butter
Right, right, right, right, it seems like if if if if those folks Uh, were slightly more sort of curious or discerning when it comes to news information facts Um, maybe they wouldn't make that decision and maybe they would be more prone to Vote for you guys instead of him Can can you as a teacher attract that back or or or attribute that to Uh, something that we're not doing right in schools um, maybe and and yeah, you know, um, because I just feel like it
It's just common sense to me. It seems like there's a clear choice for everyone in this country If you just want to take just preserving democracy alone Who to vote for but all these these smaller issues it does seem like pretty easy if you just look a little bit further than You know Fox news or whatever you would see oh all the facts are on the side of going this direction instead of that direction
And and maybe did does it start at schools? Well this maybe but this one I think vice president Harris is focusing really rightly This this idea of middle class doesn't sound like anything so groundbreaking but this idea of housing and down payment assistance this idea of cost now
So this idea of child tax credit because the one thing I will say Jason on this is is that These guys on the other side have created an economy which many of the people you're talking about are busting their ass just to get by They don't have time to spend a lot on this They're trying to figure out how to afford child care. They're trying to figure out how to
To make things work. They see inflationary prices go up and we may say look inflation is higher everywhere else in the world They don't care about that right because that's impacting with them They hear a guy like JD Vance say egg prices went up. Yeah, because of bird flu
They don't care about bird flu. They just know egg prices went up So I do think there's a part certainly discerning on media is something My wife used to teach a course on modern media language and logic trying to think through that But I think part of it is these guys have as we're saying on this they've they've shifted wealth to the point where the Wealth gap is is staggering when you see it in a when you see it in a graphic people can't believe how truly
Bad it is and what stuck on that is a whole bunch of people trying to get through their lives and Donald Trump has told them You know where to put the blame rather than that so I think the gap the gap the wealth gap the wealth gap has never been is never been bigger And and I remember saying this 10 20 years ago how that gap was widening one and now we're at this place And if if people think for one minute That Donald Trump and JD Vance are why give two crops about the middle class
They're looking to do tax cut to the richest Americans to these billionaires to give tax cuts to those When the people who need the tax cuts are the people right in the middle who drive this country who have who have made this country what it is When you do that Minnesota's listed as you know the Republicans always say it's a high tax data We're home to many fortune 500 companies but high concentration But we have what's rated as the fairest tax customer it's a progressive tax system
If you don't make as much you don't pay as much if you make more you pay more look when ends up happening that yeah top-fifth business state Top three-placed erase kids top place for health care amazing long as long Jevitt he'd look at we're not perfect
I mean and it's cold as hell here in the winter so there's those things that happen but I thought I thought you controlled the weather according to Marjorie Taylor grain Yeah, if we did it would not be 40 below up here But but you're right this this idea of Making the case to people that that this worse and look this isn't class You know they said you know you're engaging in class warfare
They already won the war almost on that the guys on the other side. Yeah, but this is about sense of fairness And it's it's stunning to me that I thought one of the you know my killer lines in this that would the middle class would say Do you think it's fair Donald Trump doesn't pay tax that doesn't seem fair and a lot of people like well
He's successful. He knows how to work the system. That's disappointing work the system I imagine if it put it this way if my dad gave me 400 million dollars that'd be a hell of a lot richer than Donald Trump is Absolutely you could have put it in a CD
What do you think would be the the the best way or easiest way to to penetrate that that that bubble that they all seem to be firmly inside of as far as giving them the the information that you know They they need and could sway their vote like do you literally have to go to Town Hall meetings and some of these deep red districts? Does it mean being on Fox News a little bit more often like how do you how do you get to them? Yeah, I think that's right
You know, we have folks as people to judge goes on Fox News quite a bit. Yeah You've got a lot of people yeah and go on and and just talk to folks because I don't think we can assume that that all of them are not there Like the vice president making that case getting out there Going to place they you know, we're going into some of these pretty red areas and I this is another one of the vice presidents things that I think when they feel this and people can see it we're getting off a bus tour in
rural Pennsylvania and one side of the street has our supporters and the other strategy is not I said they always make it easy for us. They're all in the same hat so we can see and we know that but she didn't blank And it wasn't performance are the only people there were husband and my wife and I and she said Tim don't ever forget We work just as hard for folks on this side of the street is on the other side of street You start to see some of the results of that and we're seeing it in Minnesota
It's pretty hard like the vice president's advocating for this child tax credit. We implemented on the state level Lower childhood poverty some of this stuff starts to make sense and you have to I'm a schoolteacher. So I talk maslow's hierarchy, you know, you can't get to self-actualization about things if people are worried about their safety And they're hunger and things like that right show people that these policies help make them more money people are willing to tackle climate change
If their lights come on and their bills don't go up. They don't care where the power comes from in fact most people would rather see it come from renewables But I don't I think sometimes we say well, why can't you see we have to save the planet on this how about we just create a whole bunch of new union jobs
Like they did with this proposal a whole bunch of opportunities. Yeah, that's a great and it's interesting One of the things that I notice about you and Vice President Harris is that you the way that you guys talk that that sort of antidote you gave by the vice president talking about we work for all Americans There is that sense on that that a lot of the people in the Vote Republican talk about Red blue blah blah you guys don't talk as much about that you guys talk about all
Universiveness because yeah, you have to right? I mean we're all here. We all live here We all you know, and I think secretly we all want to get along Of course, yes, I think I think we all really want to be
Survival. Yeah, I mean there there is a sort of a fun kind of This team that team sort of I mean just speaking to you as a coach and I'm a big sports fan too like there's there's a lot of fun Being on one side versus the other and you kind of watch this the the scoreboard and then like you know
The standing throughout the year like but that that people are bringing this now into politics is is is little is literally dangerous at this point And so like if they could just get a little bit more into their local team and stop being so sort of tribal and competitive and just
Think about this unity a little bit more. I'll tell you Jason as a I'm a geographer by training. I love maps except one Whoever built the red blue map did more damage than you would ever imagine Because you look at that map and you look at South the code and say oh South the code is all red or whatever That's not true. That is not true. There's a mix or or even you look at an urban area and say well
That's that blue everybody in there. That's not true either and they created this false mindset for it gets very visual It's a yeah, it's a good note for the newscasters
They should instead of having that big map during election time. They should literally split each Each estate into blue and red justice and then show the percentages rather than color I just want to go on the record is saying just out of deference to you Tim and what you're doing in the office that you're seeking that I have with hell They're really good joke Because it was in really poor taste We'll get a wrap up. Well, we gotta get it. I'll do it in the wrap up
But I'll just I just wanted you to know that that's how much respect I have for you. Is it about me? Yes, of course, but
But it could be but I can also make it about Jason too. I could I could there's plenty there. Yeah, there's plenty Well, be right back And now back to the show You know, I um for me the one of the issues that I want to get to and sorry if this seems very abrupt But I think the issue for me that needs to be taken head on and we need to talk about and I can't believe that there's any debate in talking about it considering that it's 2024
Is women's health care. Yeah Yeah, for me for me it is number one this year women's health care and and we The fact that it's even up for a debate is Absolutely ridiculous I couldn't agree more and I look there's There's household names now of women who should have been able to have their own
Private health care kept to themselves who are thrust into the national life because they had to go through Arrophic situations that should have been as simple as health care being delivered And look this is this is something that's taken a while and I think for all of us on here Men need to know how to talk about it Men need to know you know how women's bodies work and how doctors understand that yeah
And I think that's something that has changed I agree with you. I said you know let While back in that in the debate it it took a long time for them to get around to two most important issues the issue of of women's Bodily autonomy and the democracy seems like those would have been two questions to come out come out of the shoot with Yeah, what's that great quote earth question from Kamala Harris To one of the Supreme Court people about can you think of a law
That does the same for a male body and it's like there it is All in that question it is that simple and everything stems from that and these guys are not gonna stop I talk about it the whole you know, they're all over us I don't want to talk with my wife and I infertility issues and trying to use on And there isn't a person out there there's a woman out there who's seeking health care Who's doing who who wants to talk about it or is in a position who feels good about doing it?
That nobody's going out there. That's that that's the other thing. It's like You know abortion right or whatever do you think people are this is something that everybody's looking for that if this is a place that People are in a great place in their life. I'm with you. Well, who's asking for this agenda? Yeah
Who's asking for tax cuts for billionaires? Who's asking to repress women on this? I think this do you think So they go well you think they're setting around in the bar in in Wisconsin saying you know, we really need to do We need to ban or well's books and we need to give billionaires a tax cut and we need to repress women
Let's hope not let let hope not. I hope they're talking about we need better jobs We need to make sure you know, I can't afford to pay for daycare Right tackle these issues and I think we as you know, this is what commerce putting out let's really tackle the issues and show them that we're going after these things But you know when we start to do that they don't want to talk about it because they got a plan
Listen to them talk about health care listening to listening to Donald Trump or ramble about protecting preexisting conditions It's terrifying to me if you want to be president of the United States or vice president You should at least have a working knowledge how insurance works and how health care way man, and they don't you should have a working knowledge of how Anything works Yeah It's absurd if we ever wanted to have a real conversation
That and you you had to remove the word salad and you're like no you had the moment you deviate from the question You're it would be for that an injection of bleach is just not a real good remedy for anything that hails you You know like that. That should be pretty simple, but it is why I'm I have alabaster skin Um listen, I want to ask you something um, you know, I just as a sidebarx and when when you first came on the scene
You started talking about that program you started in Minnesota about free lunches in schools. Yeah That blew my mind because I my mom raised five kids by herself As the youngest and I would go to school and I wouldn't have lunch. I just wouldn't eat That's right. We didn't have the money. We'd have learned you're made up for it Pretty hard to learn pretty you're all caught up Sean Hahaha pump it
It's just crazy. We don't come in and we don't come in and ask him. Where's your money for the heat today You know yeah we put new windows in the schools? Where's your money kid down? Yeah, yeah This idea and look it's it's that simple philosophy of the investing every dollar you invest in early childhood You get 12 bad ass. I love that and where did where did you get all that growing up?
like where did you get this drive to be this servant of like and by the way Thank you for all your service your public service and yeah Well, I think about it. And when you're older, it's a lot of things that come in certainly from parents and small community, but I gotta be honest with you. I grew up Catholic, and at that time, it was about service. And the Catholic nuns, you get the little thump in the back of the head taking your two big-for-your-own bridges.
And it really was new testament to the least amongst the stipus. So I don't talk about it. You don't need people to give you a sermon in elected office, but try and live one a little bit, try and do something. And I think it was from that. I feel very blessed by that. And it's different now. My wife converted me to Lutheranism, which is basically Catholicism with more singing. But that's about it. I'm in. It's the same type of principle. So I think that's what it was.
And again, we have a great senator who died way too early in Paul Wellstone who said, we all do better when we all do better. And it's this sense of servant leadership, the sense of putting back in. And you benefit. And we keep talking about this school meals piece of it. You get better achievement. You get better students in school. And so even if you remove the moral aspect of feeding a child, you actually save money.
So if you're just heartless and don't want to pay higher taxes, you get $12 return on that. And so I said the simplification is, you can buy school buses and school meals, or you can buy prison buses and prison meals. You make a decision where you want to fast. And it's much better. Yeah. Well, of course, it makes so much sense to invest in the future, to invest in ourselves, to invest in our kids. That's what's going to help us.
And because otherwise, if it rods beneath them, if that doesn't get supported, then there is no future. That's right. And public schools for all of us are at. And this is in rural areas, they keep thinking about these folks who want to voucher eyes. So you're going to have your vouchers. So here's your voucher. You get a small tax credit or whatever, but your public school closes. Where are you going to send them? Where's that private school when you're out in the town? Like I was a 400.
The idea that the community invested in I had wonderful public school teachers who were teaching in a small school with 20 kids in a class, coming every day prepared to do that. What a sense of investment they all made. And I think from that kind of servant leadership, but watching the people around me, the old Mr. Rogers thing, when you need somebody to find the helper, the helpers were all over. And they were doing this. There's some of that. I love that.
I used to just talking to you like Jason said earlier, you're just so, I can see you as a teacher. I'm an idea. I didn't have you as a teacher, but you remind me of love you as a teacher. You seem like the greatest teacher ever where all the kids just effing love you. Well, it's a privilege of my life. Now my wife said, I was the fun teacher and she's the teacher that kids came back 10 years later and say thank you for teaching me English.
She's so, Mr. Walsh was a barrel of fun, but I learned English. Do you guys have a similar dynamic in parenting? Are you, is she the disciplinary and you're kind of the fun guy? Yeah, she's amazing. My, if you've seen her and she can do anything, she is just a central Lutheran Minnesota woman. Yeah, and she's great. We're partners in this. I feel blessed that we got together, but just to be clear, she was much more political than me early. She would watch the conventions.
I'm like, I'm not watching the conventions at summer. I'm going golfing or something. She paid attention. She knew it all. I didn't. She knew who people were. I don't know who the senator from North Carolina is and she would know them all. So, great. So Tim, let me ask you this. At your coach, you're a teacher, but you're a coach and I love the idea that your coach and teams inside just think you'd be awesome. It's, we're looking at the clock.
We got two minutes left in this election and the team, which is America's at the sideline, what are you saying? What are you saying to us? What do we need to do to kind of, you know, to get a W here for our country? Yeah, I've been, I've been given... Not just in the election, but in general for America. Look, it's a privilege. I mean, I wish we weren't in this situation. I wish this thing were a blowout. It's not going to be. It's going to come down to the hard work.
But the sense of privilege here, this isn't about the next four years. This is about the next 40. And you're hearing from your people you know around the world. The rest of the world's looking for us to do the right thing here. And I think to be a part of that and everybody to be the little things they can do, whether it's door knocking, whether it's going on and given what little they have, you know, donations that people give, 10 bucks. That's a lot for a lot of people. They do something else.
They give the help. I think it's this idea that you can be part of something bigger. And that's what people want. That's the whole thing about teams. Like the kids who enjoyed being on football teams are the most is the kid who got in on kickoffs because you're going to play everybody. He wasn't the best athlete maybe, but that kid was there because he was with his buddies. He was with his team. And I think for Americans, this idea we can be in this, we don't have to agree.
And I'm not naive. This is tough. There's folks that don't agree on anything. But I think the vast majority of people realize it doesn't need to be this way. And I think Kamala Harris full credit. Yeah. This idea of joy, and I watch the Wall Street Journal Poup joy. I'll take joy over being like, crabby and awful and no one wants to be around you. Me too. That's what she's doing in politics can be that way. Look, Donald Trump wants to make it.
It would be easier, I guess he's saying is just to let one person forever and let them make the decisions. This democracy stuff is hard. It's messy, it's difficult, it's frustrating, but it's the best that's been devised. Yeah, and it's the best path towards community. And I'm going to let you go. But I want to ask you, it's sort of building on that notion of community and everybody coming together.
And after you guys win, what do you think might possibly be a big give that you and Kamala could possibly offer to the folks who didn't vote for you guys? That we get them so happy or so comfortable that they would feel good about uniting with the rest of the country, getting back to a bit more. And they'll get more jobs and they'll save the world.
Right, but that notion of becoming one big happy family and like not just the standard speech about I want to be president for all of it, but something maybe taken directly from the Republican platform or their agenda that would be felt as that give or that offer that would come across and have the effectiveness of like an olive branch. You know, not about that. Well, she said it and I agree with her. She needs to appoint a Republican to the cabinet.
I do think it matters to a position of authority and look, there's a lot of them out there. These folks who are coming out and speaking on behalf of these Republicans, I disagree with many of them. Their values are there. I served with these people. People like Jeff Flake, the Senator from Arizona. Super conservative, but that man is honest as anything. I've dealt with him. Jim Langford who wrote the big piece of the immigration bill that they killed. I served with him.
That guy is the most conservative person I ever met, he's also one of the most honorable. Some of these people need to be put in a position where they truly have the ability to influence things because they are ethical and they care about this country. And I think that's something that really sets her apart to make a high profile appointment to the country. Or two or three or two. Yes, bring him. Folks who care about the country. And let us look, I don't want to be surrounded by people.
I, in my organization, my folks know that I'll say something say, you know, with all due respect governor, that is a horrible idea and we should not do it. And I'm like, okay, good, thank you for stopping me from doing that horrible idea. Yes, yes. That's good. I think I need to know this. Like giving away, like giving away SUVs with a retractor. Yeah, that was horrible. I do. I need to know before you leave what kind of snacks are on the plane or the car or the truck. Or the gray truck.
Yeah, what settles you? Yeah. Yeah, I, this just irritates and I don't do it to irritate my, my peskitarian daughter. Beef jerky is my thing. Sure. And homemade beef jerky and he booted Jigs in-laws made some and he brought me some. And I like the idea of a friend bringing you homemade beef jerky and I know that that pleases you more than anything. That's great. That's great. All right, well, listen, we just can't thank you enough for the trust to sit with us and your time.
We're such big fans and we wish you the best of luck and safety out there on the trail and bring us, bring us that W. We're gonna do everything we can and just couldn't be thrilled. Once thrilled that you thank all three of us. We are really honored and your authentic self is just shines through and that authenticity is just so refreshing and great. Yeah, this was big deal for me, you guys. Thank you for having me on. Big, big van and appreciate all you're doing. That's great.
Thank you. Thank you, Tim. Thanks guys. Have a great day. That was great. Thank you. You guys are the best. Hey, I didn't get in on this. I heard you guys often when you're talking to talk in the golf stuff. This is a thing honest to God. I don't know if you know this. So I grew up in that really small town. Yeah. Sandgreen Golf. Three of Greenfield. You know it? I know about it. What is Sandgreen Golf? Oh, you gotta hear this. This is so, so set it up again. Some people know.
Yeah, so you grew up in Nebraska. I did, small town. You played golf there. Played golf and like everybody played golf. Farmers, everybody. And it wasn't country club golf. It was sandgreen golf. And what it is, the greens are made out of sand and the oiled with vegetable oil. Well, you know, they were oiled with oil, which was not good. I think it's what they do in the Middle East.
And you, and Australia, you, you rake the green with a path and then you put and then you rake it again to put ridges in it. And they're little like postage stamp size greens, but it's a whole different game. But I hear you guys talk a lot about golf. You gotta get on a sandgreen golf course. Listen, listen, once, once you've won and you want to take a little break, Jason and I will meet you in Nebraska. Let's go play some sand green golf. I'm looking even harder now. We gotta work.
Okay. We're gonna find you. All right. Thanks, fellas. Thanks. Thank you, sir. Let's get her done. Yeah. Absolutely. Bye, Tim. Thank you, pal. Boy, that fella, I mean, he, uh, really cool. He gives politicians a good name. And in my opinion, yes, in my opinion as well. I'm with you. I'm with you immediately. He's the dad. I always want to. And I know that there are a lot of people out there who don't want to.
And I, so I get you saying in my opinion, but the one thing you can't knock is the guy's authenticity. Yeah. Yeah. He's just such an authentic real person and it's great talking to him. Right. How can you not like that guy? I'm sure you cannot disagree with some of his policies. I'm sure. But I'm just, I'm so excited about the prospect of simply just having somebody represent me and the country I love that I'm not sort of worrying about them saying something mean, nasty, offensive.
I just, he's just like a guy I like to call my representative. I'm just, I would be proud of that. And also not a guy who's out there to enrich himself or protect himself and use the office as a way to avoid prosecution. Right. Yeah. I mean, truly, truly, it's just so not self-serving. It's the opposite. It's, it's public service, right?
Yeah. And so, yeah, it's pretty, I think the most jarring thing was seeing Mike Terry there at the end who works with us, the producers that he was there in the room. Yeah. That he was there with him while. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I know. Right. But I like it. Did you guys, did you guys have, have any questions that you didn't get to that you wanted to? I wanted to mention this thing that they, there have been some fake fundraising emails that were going on that this is.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I bet he's got something fun in there, so is it really something really silly? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. He's got a, like he's got a pretty full plate. I know, but he's got to, like, you've got to like two minutes to, like, you have to be able to, yeah, exactly.
Like, even if it's just like going into the bathroom and like just. It's sitting down, you know, like not not even like. Take your pants down, but just like hiding in a stall somewhere just to get some quiet. Yeah, yeah. Right, right, I know. I know how he feels. Oh, he's handsome. I can't go anywhere. I know it's sweetheart. Oh, but isn't that a good idea though, you guys, to do, to you know, Foxy and Anna, it doesn't matter who you are, to split.
Instead of showing a map of this is all red, this is all blue state, just cut it in half and shows the percentages of each. Well, they do actually do. The great Steve Kornackie will go in there and he will zoom in and it will expand and you will see sort of the micro of each of these districts and states and you will see that how it is sort of, you know, split up inside there. All right, fine. Yeah, it's true.
Also, those maps are sort of deceiving because when you look at, when you put it up against population, yeah, it's where it's all set. It's set up in the electoral college. How are we going to get rid of that electoral college? Yeah, we can't do it here from our stupid ass podcast. You know, we need these. We can't. They're a bit of a commitment and we're on our way. Hopefully we will. You know what I want to say to you, the electoral college? Uh oh, here it comes, Willie. Bye. Bye. Bye. Smart.
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