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eight ten eighty text nineteen nine two. Before I do, I'll just mention if you did miss the Health Hub fantastic conversation with h at Kent John's about motivation and just you know, a lot of the time people listen to shows about exercise and you sort of think, O, well, I'm not doing that yet. I'm not doing that yet. And it was an interesting discussion around just how do you get going without giving yourself a goal that's going to intimidate you into stopping In a.
Couple of weeks, I couldn't wait because I did nine thousand steps this today.
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Anyway, and if you wanted to hear that and the politics how we had a chat about the with Ruth Money about the new sentencing guidelines that have come in. We're not the guidelines and new rules around it, and that was an interesting chat as well. And we had also spoke with PWC's policy tax leader, Sandy Law about about the cost of the cost of superannuation and how we're going to pay for it eventually and something's going to have to change with our tax settings or something.
And so you can listen to everyone's calls on that. Go to the weekend look for the Weekend Collective on iHeartRadio or news talk, said b right, Max, So survey results have shown that New Zealand workers this year value noways cynical about these things. But I'll finish what I'm reading Value work life balance ahead of salary or benefits, career development, and even job security. So that is a big one. They value work life balance ahead of salary
or benefits, career development, and even job security. Additionally, the same reports show employees are likely to switch jobs for better work life balance than better pay. I'm going to qualify that in a second with my own rancid opinion. But so what a nine to five is actually want from their employers? What keeps them satisfied and motivated the point that they're working past sixty five as well? Max, I reckon just a hot take that if you are earning a truckload of money, then you might be I
don't care about money. I just care about life balance. But if you're struggling to pay the bills, I don't know whether those people are. What do you reckon?
Well, I think there's a new philosophy in town, and I actually do think there's a lot of people do believe that. But it also if they're filling out a survey, they don't know who's watching it. So what can I do? I'll make get people impressed with me. Money's not important to me, and that's the vogue. The people aren't even being honest I'm out of COVID's cod People didn't want to go back to work. They did not want to go back and working from home. Everyone one wants to work from home right now.
Well, is this one of the big issues that you're having to battle all the time. Absolutely, because I've got to say, look and we've all I'm not shifting the conversation, but it's a sideline. It's one of the angles. Is the whole working from home. I like coming into work. I like separating. There were working from home up to a point, and I've broadcast from home. We have these bits of equipment they can see around. We connected into
the Wi Fi and everything not into the WiFi. We're hard wired and you can actually do the show from home. If I was desperate, if work we're desperate. I like coming to work. I hate the fact that workplace, that the lounge orman, you know, at the spare room, became the office. And yet you're saying that people want to do more of it.
They certainly do, and they do. They enjoy it because I think it's a little bit about Oh, I can see my kids more often, I can do a lot more in my time, I can spread myself around a little bit, get the meal prepared while I'm supposed to be working. Note a few other things like this. And I've got to say, in some areas the product but he does increase. In some areas people take advantage that they can't help themselves. They'd rather go off and play other than go to work.
How difficult is it for people to be monitored by their managers and bosses?
Very difficult.
I mean, I guess if they're getting done the work you're setting them, then fine. In fact, I wonder if you are working from home, you know, not being supervised, you think, well, if i can bang this out really quickly, then I'm off to the beach yep. And a manager, if they knew that'd be like, oh, you've finished that already, I might give you something else.
Oh of course. Then AI I can do things in micro seconds where they used to take at least an hour or so to do it. That happens, I can tell you now that does happen. I mean in the law fraternity, I mean they create documentation and charge hours and hours of work for it, but AI will just put it out within seconds.
It is actually an amazing tool. I wonder, actually it's I don't imagine it's real, resulting in cheaper legal bills for people the case. Here are the facts, here's the interview together, a statement of claim, and then they just go and I mean it must be a massive time saving.
Well, I think of your staff. I mentioned writing a news item. You know that would be very much easier using AI than it would be.
Well, that's quite an art. I'm going to say that's an art just because I'm sure that I have never done it. Pretty strict rules about not going near that stuff to be so you just on that one. Yeah, it's just hush your pretty little mouth. But actually, how how realistic is it? And is that the biggest thing is at the moment, a lot if.
People just do not prefer to work from home, A lot of employers now are insisting. So I'm asked constantly what's the law? Say, what what do I have to do? We have to go with the boss and go back to the workplace. Well, can I work from home?
Well, to be honest, I would have thought that the law would be in the boss's favor, wouldn't it. I mean, if you're providing someone with a job, you've got a workplace you want them to work for work at I would have thought that it's only in the negotiation with an employee that would lead to them having a bit more leeway.
Well, what it is, it's pre COVID. Anyone started before pre COVID. The employment agreement must stipulate where the workplace is. So all those documents before that were like workplaces some and so after COVID, employers were struggling to get the workers and so what they said, Oh there's an option here, you could work from home, and they've drafted that into employment agreements. So that document will dictate what they can do, what the employer can enforce.
Okay, And what happens I mean is that the standard thing these days is that are people negotiating a certain amount of time that they work from home.
Yep, there's a lot of preference to do that. Some people won't drive the work in the workplace, like yourself. I'd say, it's almost a generational thing. The younger ones. Let me go home and be near my children. Let me go home and be near my you know, the house gives me comfort, and I don't have to get dressed up as much, and you know, the makeup, I don't have to put on that sort of stuff.
Yeah, I mean for me as well. I mean broadcasting it's a people business and I like to be around people. And I think, you know, just trying to walk into your into your office sort of thing and sit down and feel connected in a way that you wouldn't feel as we've got a newsroom of reporters. You can catch up with what the latest is. There's a certain I really yeah, I think that that's well.
Let me tell you I worn't from them for twenty years, and I miss it. I missed the workplace for the exact reason you're talking about. I saw you just walk across the across the but you chatted to three people on the wall.
I'm a pain in the butt.
No, I think it's and you had them laughing. And I'm sitting back as a spectator watching this thing, and that's heartwarming.
That's quite funny. I wonder if Elliot Smith sees me coming and goes areas it care comes to trouble, I do notice it. No, we had a brilliant and had a brilliant idea for a podcast for Elliott actually, but I won't share that because it's yeah, a good idea so we want to hear from you. You though, when it comes to work, what is you know, what are the things you value most about work? And is it a work life balance ahead of anything else Where does
salary come in? Because look, let's be honest, we turn up to work to earn money to pay for the things we want, whether it be to support our kids, to put good food on the table. God, that's such a cliche, isn't it, But that's for many people. That's the basics. Pay the rent, feed your family, feed yourselves. Maybe if you're lucky, be able to afford to do something nice, if you've got a break and go somewhere
on holiday. So salary, I'm still suspicious that salary isn't slightly more and just in terms of the rhetoric of people's responses, slightly more important. In other words, if your boss said to you, I'll tell you what we'll pay you. You know, look, if you're prepared to fore go one hundred bucks a week, we'll let you work from home three days a week. But otherwise we'll pay you a hundred dollars more a week to come and to work. In fact, actually there'll be a lot of people going
all the parking, the transport. OK, I'll work from home. But you know what I mean? What is king for you in the workplace? Is it salary? Is other benefits? Is it the fact that I don't know, your employer gives you access to cheaper healthcare, but they see that's money. Is it the fact that you've got career development or even job security?
Isn't a theory since COVID. COVID actually supplied made sure salary was paid to people even irrespective they went to work. Also, it's a parachute for them. There's a comfort zone. There's also today you can get the unemployment benefit. Whereas you talk to older people, you were the breadwinner, you had to go to work, otherwise your family suffered immensely.
Yeah, so we would love to know from you if you're listening. By the way, if you've got any questions for Max, he's an employment law specialist and often people call up because they're having a particular problem they need to resolve and how do they get started with the resolving the problem they've got. You're welcome to give us a call on that as well. On eight hundred and
eighty ten to eighty. But on the broader topic. We're talking about what is the most important thing about work for you and what's the work life balance that is important to you? A head of salary, benefits, career development, and even job security. Give us a call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I mean, are you like me? Do you actually like to go to work because you like to be with the people who you work with. You enjoy working with them, you enjoy the environment. Is that
an important part of it? Or you know what if you could do it all from home, wouldn't that be great? Eight hundred eighty ten eighties the number text nine two nine two? How so do you work? Where do you work from?
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Max?
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So and look, I was going to end something else here for older people already getting a pension for example, but they want to work and why it gives them purpose in life. It gives them a standing in the community and they can hold their head up with some pride. I'm actually contributing to our society. Yeah, I'm not just taking.
Actually, that is the extra question to it as well, because if you are working past sixty five, is so so many more people are doing these days? What is it about your job that makes it doable simply, Look, I need the money and I just have to have to work. Or is it because you've created the conditions at work that work for you? And look, why would you stop because you're enjoying it? Eighty ten eighty text nine to nine two and you can email. I don't
worry about the email. I'm not going to get round of the email. I'll be heading out of the office on holiday in about forty.
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No, I'm not, I'm working hard. It's it's eighteen minutes past five. News talk said by that's right, we're back weekend collective. It's a smart money My guess is Max white Head, employment law specialist. We're asking what's the most important thing and you work deal? Basically is it about the money or is it about the work work life balance? Because apparently, according to survey results, workers are saying it's work life balance ahead of salary, benefits, career development or
even job secure, which sounds like I don't know. I want to be skeptical about it, but you've got to go with these things. Let's take your cause.
John, Hello, Hey John? Yeah?
Okoday, guys, how are you? Yeah, I'm Look, I'm an older worker. I'm I'm, you know, sixty six and continuing to work. I spent I came back from the UK in late twenty twenty two, was up there during COVID and everything else. You know, I think everybody's situation is different. But working from home, yeah, I guess works in some industries, but I think I think by large, you know, I
think it's great to be back in the office. I spent a lot of years on the road and now I'm I'm still in the sales environment, but I'm going to one place every day, and to me, it's about the community of going there. Staff there are fantastic. But the other side of it, for me, at the age i'm at the thing I cherish the most. I can go into work in the morning, do a really good job, and mean when I leave at five, I leave it
all behind. That's really important to me. Whereas other roles I've had passed, you know, you sort of you know, do what you do for a couple of hours. You've got the lamptop out happen away doing stuff. So so yeah, that's the difference to me, you know. But I'm going to do another two or three years still enjoying working.
Yeah, that's yeah, that's an interesting point. What are you what's your reflections on that, Max, Because you don't tell you if you if you're working from home, it's you can't really leave you how the challenge is to leave you work.
I'm thinking slow, I'm thinking John's valuing it and tell me John if this is correct, because you've your experience, you've been around. But also it's it provides you with dignity and a social outlet as well. And it sounds like working with your colleagues is something that you do enjoy, even though you might not spend hours talking about stuff
and just you know, social things. It's just been near someone else and actually being able to just have a chat when you feel like it about something else.
Yeah, that's that's that's right. That my situation that that's certainly right. And maybe maybe because I didn't spend a lot of time on the road, you know, for for quite a lot of years. You know, being being in the one place is quite important.
To me now.
But so I enjoy all the that. But but again I'm not working necessarily because I have to, but I still I still enjoy the challenge going to work, and you know, I've got plenty of other communities outside of work, but it works worth something. I'm still enjoying.
So John, you and your work when your work life, I can imagine you're driving for for what eighty percent of the time? Was seventy percent of the time of ninety twenty percent with people? Would that be right?
Yeah?
Probably seventy Probably, you're right, it's probably seventy thirty, you know. And that's a lot of that's a lot of dead time, even though you've got to go and see customers. It's a lot of dead time on your backside, you know. And it's and it's and it's yeah, you know, I've traveled a lot, you know, I stay at hotels called aeroplanes here there, and people think that it's.
A lonely light. It's a lonely Yeah, yeah, good role.
Thanks John. Cheers mate. There lots of ticks on this before you go to Catherine, is it. I don't know what this one is. Somebody says, if you fall over at work at home during work hours, is that classed as a workplace accident? Trivial sort of weird question, but then again not really.
Yeah, and it's a hard one because really you have to associate it with the work that you're actually doing at home. So if you're sitting and talking on the phone, for example, or you're sitting at your desk and working, well, then tripping while you're walking is probably not.
Put Well, if you're going to get your cup of coffee for Smoko time and you stand up and you fall over and you wack your head on the desk, and I know that sounds like a workplace.
I know you're right him, because if you did at the workplace, then it would be deemed to be work related accident. Yeah, So it depends on how.
If you've gone up to change your child's nappies and you know, something happens or something and you slip over, then probably not a workplace action.
Or your previous guest they're not taking a jog at the time, maybe that wouldn't work either. So it just just depends on what you're doing, I think, and what's it related to.
We can probably imagine quite a few scenarios and interesting scenarios we can throw max for different questions. It actually I got yes, Now I'm going to send some myself on that one. Let's go to Catherine.
Hello, Hello Catherine, Hi, how are you deceiving?
Very good?
Thank you.
I'm ringing in because on talk about radio this week, I've been hearing about how the superannuation government to granuation is actually a benefit. And I am seventy one years old this year, and I am still working three days a week and tens worked on seventy five. I've paid my taxes through the years.
I work three jobs.
When I was younger, sought I could buy my first time, and at this point in time, I'm paying secondary employment tax, actually high secondary I employment tax on my second job, so I kin't it's my job other than my attention. So I sort of get a bit resentful about people calling us greedy and everything else. And even those people on high are much higher wages than I given been on They've been paying higher taxes normally, so their contribution
to the pension system has been greater than most. But I just I just sort of have been thinking all week about some of the discussions on it. Football tonight, I'm just going to ring and say, not all of it are out there working because we're greedy.
No, you're doing it because you need it.
You can't live on the pinch.
No, you can't.
And I do have savings and I'm mortgage free, but I work in a job that doesn't have all the KPIs budget mine budget that I used to have, and I work with amazing people in a family firm.
Point, Catherine, how would you feel if if there was three people lined up who had children at home and they needed a job desperately and were skilled as equally as good as you? I woul dare say, you're still working at seventy one. You've got some a lot of wisdom and knowledge of your job.
But oh well yes, yeah, yeah, but.
Well I feel I mean, they're.
More deserving than you. That's probably the better question.
Well, I don't think so, because I think I've paid my juris over the years to be able to do what I'm doing. And I know that it's a selfish boomer thought, but you know, I've done my swimming to make money to.
Be wow, I don't think it's a selfish thought. Sorry, Catherine, No, no, no, but look everyone Otherwise we end up arguing that anyone who charges more than the sort of basic subsistence for their time has been greedy. We're aspirational.
You were.
I'm on a very very I'm not on a huge hollly rate at all. I'm in a retail rate, but I work with people of different ages from seventeen to sixty and we have fair best customers that are regulars that come in and build a relationship with And I have friends who on the dimension trip dementia trip. Now, I just want to keep my brain and my body effective as I possibly can and maintain the standard of living. That one is true, and by the time I'm simplified, probably I might actually need to work.
Well, well, look, I think you make what a decisions you want and the idea that we want to accuse people. Thank you for your caller beings.
So that was great.
I mean, I mean, you can always throw the accusation of selfish, it's one of us. I mean there are times when, of course in life, when you can probably can accuse someone of being selfish where they're not considering the needs of others. But when you're simply just doing your best to keep living a good active life and paying for things you want to do, that's not selfish. That's living life.
Yeah, well, I do actually think your contribution to society Catherine's obviously made a huge contribution, and also she's a very comfortable position. She's got savings, she's got things. But those other people who are struggling and trying to get a home even you know, get a house for themselves, and she's way ahead of those. And I'm just wondering, you know, even looking at myself, was at the times she just step aside and let someone have a go.
No, no, no, that's bollocks. No, But I mean, I'm just using colorful descriptions all.
The announcers that want to come in and take your job.
Oh good goodness, me gosh, I'm further down the age scale. Don't worry. There's a few probably older than me hopefully, But no, I mean, I just think that there's I think life is expensive. You look at the cost of living, and I think even just now, I'm noticing the increase and things like rates kicking in and you're seeing what the rates, even Hamilton were they go another fifteen percent rate rise and different inflationary measures that are kicking in.
And if anyone thinks that you can get by on the peace superannuation, you mean, that's that's the thing. What's the number of people who are having to work past the age of sixty five. And then other people surveyed. Was it forty percent at least or more? I can't remember the number, but there was a lot of people. In fact, it was almost looked like it was a luxury to be giving up at sixty five.
Oh and I talked to a friend in the week. He's going off to live in a caravan up north, very remote spot. Why because he can't he's lost, he's lost his life savings.
Oh.
I know, it's awful and he's just going up there to chill, but he's got no money, bloody, and to live on the pension. That's the only way you can see you can survive.
That's pretty tough.
That's rent, no limited rent. So in a caravan he's going, and he's looking forward to it. I must admit.
Yeah, Well, I hope it works out from God. And that's the thing I think. You know, people, when we end up with these conversations, everyone assumes that maybe they assume older people have got a job and work for forty fifty years and they should be fine. But people have ups and downs and all sorts of things. They have a crack at different businesses. Maybe they buy a house at the wrong time and they struggle to meet the mortgage payments. I wonder how many people live the
conventional life. Well, you get a qualification or an early job, invest in a business or your own time, and you just work in that business, maybe a career change or two, and then you retire happy and then hopefully don't live too long and cost the health system so much.
Discriminating, isn't it, Because in a way, because if you've got so much experience and done well in life. I mean, there's a law passing soon that anyone earning over one hundred and eighty thousand dollars is not allowed to go and use the law to take a personal grievance.
Oh.
Actually, yes, let's dig into that, by the way, because I don't quite understand why. What The justification for that law is.
No why, And I just think it's discriminating against someone who's been successful, okay, which I find very strange for this government.
It does sound quickly. I'm surprised I didn't pick up on that to discuss that with you today. Somebody is that there's some interesting questions coming on the text. One is I'm almost wondering if this is a mischievous text, because it's almost I can't believe it could be real, let alone legal. Hi, Max, my employer has decided to give women fifteen days sick leave per annum and leave men at ten days.
Is that legation that's not legal?
I mean, who's doing that?
I would agree it doesn't sound kosher. But if that's happening, that individual could take an action against his employer for breach of the Human Rights Act.
Is it possible that there's something missing in that fact that they say if you need extra leave for maternity leave. They've granted them something, and there's something missing. I mean, is there would there be an excuse to say, if you are having a baby, we will give you extra maternity leave for whatever.
I remember very successful man once said publicly, No, he wasn't public He thought he was quiet. They hid the camera and actually he didn't realize he was still being anyway. What he says is that women are less productive than men because of their once a month periods.
Oh well that wasn't a smart thing.
No, But I'm wondering is this implying the same I don't know, I.
Do not know. No, I don't think so. It just looks like a parandum thing fifteen hours. Well, anyway, okay. Another one says, my wife took a ten thousand dollars a year pay cut to work nine days in every fortnight. So I guess I'm assuming she was on a hund thousands. She went down to ninety thousand and just said I'll do that because only.
And there's stories of stories that there is a lot out there people take a pay company and rather and actually ask for a demotion, rather than actually have the stress of a high level job.
Yeah.
Another person say, life balance.
Another person thinks that the perhaps the survey was targeting eighteen to thirty five year olds different views on work.
Yeah, it's very true.
You were were a bit suspicious about that. Yeah, yah, I'll love to go down and look at that survey.
Anyway, suspicious that they were just thinking, who's going to read this, I'll better make sure the boss is happy what I'm saying.
Yeah, I would like to think it was maybe a little bit more profit than that. Anyway, of course, it's eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Text nine two nine two. By the way, we have canvas to fair bit of information and a few angles of conversation. So just to bring it back to what we're talking about, is what is the primary thing you want to achieve with your work life, with your with your employment? Is it about work life balance? And is that more important
than salary of benefits? Let's look at it this way. You're going in to negotiate to do a job, what's the first question on your lips? Is it about focusing on what you're getting paid? Or is it how much time can I take for myself? Which I'm not sure is the best way to start a negotiation, but anyway, you can tell us what would be your first thing to talk about twenty four and a half minutes to six news talks that'd be yes. Welcome back through the
Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage. My guest is Max Whitehead is an employment law specialist. We're talking broadly in our conversation around what are the most important things in your employment? Is it work life balance? Is it ahead of salary
or benefits? But extending the conversation to people who are working past the age of sixty five, we have had a bit of a superannuation theme during the show because we had a chat about the fact that we're not going to be able to afward our superannuation in the decades to come, and we need to start thinking about other taxes or how we're going to do cover that. But for those who are working past sixty five, what is it that is keeping you satisfied and or motivated?
And why? And when I say why are you're doing it? I don't mean that why are you're doing it as if it's a naughty thing to do? But what is motivating you? What's motiving that choice? Because there is a large number there are a large number of people beyond the age of sixty five, we will continue working. And for many of the people I know do it, it's simply because they like being an active member of society.
Let me tell you this story. I had an employer contact me once and he said, we've got a seventy six year old and she's the glue in the office and she's been talking about leaving, and I'm saying, please don't go seventy six because she just gets everyone together, she motivates people, she's got a nice spirit about it, and just actually made it all happen for him. So he begged it not to go, and she did retire.
It's seventy He begged her not to go, but she still retired.
Yep, because everyone just loved it so much and she just held it together.
I wonder if the begging included a pay rise. I think I think, you know, it's all right, you can beg but you know, money talks.
Maybe I was seventy six. I think she might have said to him, that's a good question for you, because you think money. Does the world revolves around money? Well? I think in her particular case, she probably thinks, no, I need a rest. For goodness, I don't want to get up at five o'clock in the morning to get ready made.
I wonder how, and I mean, obviously that person begged them to stay, but it's interesting to try and how would you quantify the value of that sort of employee to an organization where they are sort of the blue A lot of workplaces, I mean, you spend more time at work than you do with your family a lot
of the time. And if you've got someone who makes people, who makes the workplace, who gives it a certain atmosphere or a vibe, whatever, I don't know how you value that, but it's it's worth something.
And a focus. I mean, someone to go to who's a mentor and say, look, I'm not you know, I'm not feeling right up to it. I don't tell the boss. What do you reckon? Now? You go take your time and do this and this, and I can help you with some degree. But what what you need to do is to go and blah blah blah blah. You know, give you some wise counsel.
Yeah, okay, let's take some more calls. Suzette.
Hello, Hi there, Hi, Susette, how are you doing good?
When I gave up lessing at fifty five, the nurse manager said, when I said I'm leaving, she said, human resources will not let you leave. I thought they don't hold me.
I think she was trying to compliment you.
No, no, she was absolutely.
Up front.
They can't stop it from leaving. But Sustte, I say, Tim's right there. I think you being told you a wonderful person.
Now, I think they were just saying we love you. Don't leave. In fact, I have an order saying you're not allowed to leave. That's the sort of I mean, it's not real. Don't you think that that's the game they played.
It was because her job depended on me being there?
Did you, of course?
What happened to her job? Did it turn out her job depended on you being there? Or did she carry on quite happily?
They moved her from management to ED and so.
I guess she was happy with that emergency department. What was your job?
What did you do?
Nurse? Well, I mean a nurse, but there's nurses and all sorts of specialties these days. What was your what was your Well?
I was an intensive care the last position, but I was really a floater. So when it was on that moved me here or there afterwards, indeed, or an emergency somewhere.
Well, you've seen some action, I'm sure, But now did you miss them when you're left?
No?
When I lived, I became self employed as an entrepreneur, buying and selling houses, renovating them and all that stuff. Fir far enjoyed it. No pecking order, no stream has just got the job done.
And hopefully no one in intensive care unless you unless you got yourself in trouble on the work site doing some DIY.
Well, if someone didn't buy their property, might be.
There was his Maybe that was their closing arguments like, hey, listen, you know we're going to close the steel. I used to work in intensive care, and trust me, I know how to put you there. Sorry, I'm just being mischievous. Is that you don't have to respond to that. In fact, you can't because we're going to go to Actually a few texts, we've got quite a few texts to get on top of before we go to Ken. My husband
is seventy three and still working my way. While it may appear that we are being selfish, we don't want to look at anyone else to support us, and we're trying to help our children too, have young families and so they can look also look not have to look elsewhere for support. That's the thing. There's always other reasons. People just look at older people working they think, why are you still doing it?
Well, then well what they're trying to do is give dignity to their other family. I think that's what's the motivator there.
But yeah, let's go to Ken. I do want to before my mind, we we've got to talk about that that bit about the new rules around one hundred and eighty thousand dollars salary or nothing that we must touch on that before you let down. Wrap it up. But let's go to Ken get Hello Ken.
Great guys, I don't I've enjoyed listening to you a bit of a chit chat. I'm down here. It's really late. I'm overlooking. Who were harder? Down a pocket? Anyway?
Oh you got that?
Are you playing here?
I had to make the truck out of the out of the driveway of the driveway because the kids next door were playing ball, and that means my truck's going to get hit with it. So I came down here and I've the usual story. There's plenty of freedom campers down here and people living in the park.
Now.
My point, as being a baby boomer I'm seventy two, is that it's a nonsense to me.
What's nonsense that people older people.
Are in a way it should be working. I know how they yeah, I know how they feel, and I think that well, p's their best. But my that's my feeling about it. I would never employ anybody above the age of sixty five, and I think people that's why people above the age of sixty five don't get employed.
I know what it's like.
It's fifty five now.
Now, and I surgeon who's about seventy one, and he's still doing great work and making a big difference in people's lives. And he's seventy one.
He's not as good as he was when he was forty one. That's the point.
And you would agree that some people perform better than others and at certain ages.
Then again, judges, they say get wiser with a little bit of age. I mean, if you wanted to judge, would you want to judge it is in their thirties and you know, but wet behind these.
Look.
Look, it's a very broad brush you're stroking there. But the other point that I would like to make there's, you know, like basically we're where the human instrument wears out. Let's put it that way, and it doesn't wear out in a lineal sense. You might be physically looking good, but you might have issues to do with your liver, or you might have issues was your hearing or your vision or your thinking or your memory?
And I reckon you need to back up your how old are you? Roughly? I think you need to support your age group and say right, I'm here.
No, I don't agree with that, I'm seventy two. But the point and that's why I'm saying that. The point I'm the point I'm making here as well is that with with older people is I don't have a lot of time for people who are young paying for the pension for people who are old, because basically I don't think that's right for young people. My view about it, who is this is that old people boomers have voted for forty or fifty years for policies, which means there's
no superannuation fund. Yeah, I think there's no superhu superannuation fund and there's no superannuation.
Yeah, well I spend damn your whole generation can. But we'll leave it there because a bit of a misery guts there on your own generation goodness, may I mean for goodness sake? You know, sorry, but you know, back your own generation up. Don't write everyone off just because you're feeling a bit miserable yourself. Crikey, dick, Sorry, is that a bit harsh?
You've got to get a lot of callers now, I'm sure, Oh.
We haven't much time. But anyway, I'll tell you what. I'll don't have a cup of tena like. Look, can I actually do appreciate you having the courage of convictions. You've caught up to see your views. No better crack it. You're just a bit of fun. But welcome to We'll see if we get any text on that one work. Max Whitehead will be back in just a moment. It's coming up to eleven minutes to six. Yes, welcome back. I'm Tim Beverage with Max Whitehead and Lucky Last call it. David.
Hello, Hello David. Yeah, Hi, very good.
What's up?
Okay, what's up?
Well?
I made your sex and I'm still.
Working you Europe. That's full time. What are you doing full time?
Yeah? I'm writing about four businesses.
All right, So you run your own businesses, do you, David?
Yeah, yeah, it's not four bakeries where you're up at two am in the morning, you know, I sort of getting them.
These are.
Marketing businesses and.
Production business David. You must be like mister Fletcher used to go into work and he was in his seventies or eighties, so we'd park speak and every day he went to work way into his eighties, but he was more of a figurehead for the organization.
Well, that's right, I'm looking forward to that.
But becoming a figurehead, do you have a lot of staff look up to you're still coming in.
Oh yeah, we have a crowded with stuff. But yeah, it gives you purpose in life. They retire and they've lost the purpose in life there you know what is in the headhouse one day and the next day they're nobody.
If I was going to sermonize a little bit essentially, what's behind my admiration for people? He keep working and people work for a bunch of reasons. But obviously you know you're not going to suddenly end up, you know, in the poorhouse if you retire. But I just think that that it's and I think it's more inspirational to people that there are people who can demonstrate that you
don't just stagger through to sixty five. If you can find something that inspires you, you enjoy doing it, that you and it's it's not like you were saying, I'm working, therefore you can't to me the lesseners. Look at me. I'm eighty six and I'm still going and get into it.
Four businesses where he's employing people, making and doing something constructive for our society.
Yeah, I think it's inspiring. It's not a it's not a you get stuffed or I'm being self. I think hats off to people like you, David.
Good on you, mate. You guys will know of Warren Buffett.
Oh well he's only just retired and how what was he and wequit? I think people who had shares with Warren were quite happy that he kept on going, didn't they.
I bet he's worth.
War Warren has made the point that he knows a lot of a lot of entrepreneurs there who hit their peak at ninety.
Well he would because he's ninety four. And I imagine he mixes in some fairly rare about atmosphere Trump's going to do. Oh okay, don't bring it down at the thinking about so.
David, I'm going to quickly tell you about a friend of mind. He did very very well in business. As soon as he gave it up, he lost all sort of dignity on the basis that he was insignificant thereafter, and he shared that with me. So I think, good on you. You carry on absolutely and being self employed, as he is more important than You're not taking anyone's job, you're creating jobs. Well done.
Absolutely good on your David. Yeah, and that I think is thank you, mate, And I think that's a good note to end on a way, And I think what I try and generally push back and talk back on this stuff is when it people want to otherise others. They want to go people in this age or the second gender or this race and stuff like that, and it's so unhelpful. And I just sort of think that it's better to look at people like David and people
who care I'm working. If it's not out of desperations, because they enjoy it, then what a great role, what great examples. So here ended the lesson a Max.
That's the end of the meeting.
I mean, of course you're still in your infancy, that's why you're still working. But ah, if people want some some help from you, though, can they where can they get in touch?
Well? Max for the Facts. If you need to kids touch, it's Max dot w at Whitehead Group, dot co dot in zere.
You you better say that again because you you blurred it with Max for the Facts. I think people are google googling Max forothe facts dot com or okay.
Just google Max whitehead and you'll pick me up. But it's Whitehead Group, dot co dot in zied.
Excellent. Thank you so much, Max, and what a great session.
You will enjoy your holiday.
Well, I am taking a I'm taking a few days. And Andrew, Andrew Dickins is going to be filling in on the Weekend Collective. So I think that'll be the first time for Andrew, big career move for him filling in the Tim Beverage on the Weekend Collective. He'll be excited about that. So tune in next weekend again and I'll look forward to your company in a couple of weeks time. And thanks also to my producer who's because
Tyra is away she's getting married. I'm not sure if she is actually is married now, but she's got a few weeks off, and so Isaiah has been filling in. And Isaiah has been doing a rip rowing job. So thank you so much for your preparation today as so really good music. Oh boy, you're setting a high bar there, mate, And I'll look forward to your company in a couple of weeks. Have a great rest of you Sunday evening, and thanks so much for your time. We'll look forward to next time. Cheers.
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I don't know it was really drunk at the time.
You just told me it was.
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