STOP IGNORING BLACK WOMEN IN LABOR! [EP 89]

A man, build and independent.

And so I'm here in San Diego for the first stop on the what would the ancestors say, mission driven book tour, and I'm being treated really lovely and it feels beautiful, and folks are shown up. We have now become the tools of capitalism in a mental form. And I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been set like this is not like, oh my gosh, she cracked a cold al it ain't. However, the code continues to require cracking. They keep coming up with new codes. And because so

Someone over here when stupid, because you're correct, they say books won't change the world.

Tell that to every colonizer that burns them. Look at this, They have a free.

Bookshelf right here at Burst into Books.

You having a space like this in this neighborhood with a bookshelf for free book from most outside handing out an so the people and not y'all having a actual table. Many black folks who served in the Civil War have said it the first time that they felt like they were seen by white holtes because they had no name. They were seen as a friend, but they were also seen as capable.

Do it.

Come on over come, say hi, get you a book and get it signed. While I'm not here in the shy, we had our gods, we had our land, and.

We were strict from that, and we were forced to establish something brand new here in spite of the constant threat of that degradation and terrorism, and somehow we managed to form Blackness. Now, they may have given us the name, but we gave blackness the soup.

But tell us how we can really utilize what.

You put in the book as a resource and tool in reference.

M money.

Inside.

But we don't have to stay here.

We know somebody else.

We are of imagination.

Did you use somewhere?

I just anything that.

We can be.

Good for those of us who want to desire courage to others.

What advice do you have do you demonstrate courage? We know that folks are not on it, so you're.

Like, come, let's do courage, guys, and they're like.

Like, you know, if.

Folks are like, I'm missy.

You know, I have a hair appointment.

I can't do courage today.

I don't even know the next time she's gonna be free, Like I just I can't.

Who's gonna be there that courage?

Hello? I mean, I know I've been I've been gone, but I'm here. I've been gone, but I'm here, and we're here and it is still viewed from Mandolin, and we are still that girl. Okay, we have a light room because folks is like, is she even gonna be back? I don't know if she's even gonna show up. I know that's why we only have one hundred and forty four people here. But that's fine. That's fine because we still got what we need. Shout out to everybody who's

I'll be minded my business. Oh no, Christiana, were not.

We're not doing making them at Kinkos though, because the whole thing about it is that we can't just do it at Kinkos because then I gotta still ship it out. Oh, I'm on the shade room because of what I said about Niki, And I stand by what I said about Niki, because what is you know, I see things and it's very obvious, and I don't know. I'm trying to download it for y'all so I can show y'all so you

Either she's getting a check, or she was maggot the whole time, or she.

Genuinely thinks that she's doing something good, which, by the way, is why y'all need to have people around you that know more than you. And by y'all, I don't just mean celebrities. Everybody. Everybody should have people around them that they can consult with, that think differently than you, that hold you in a place of values. Just so you understand what's happening here with the plight of Christians in Nigeria.

Waited to be scared up?

And then I just promote the book. So yeah, and I love that. Kimberly and those of you all who noticed that I made a mean girl's reference making fetch happen. By the way, I look really pretty. I just wanted to point that out. I feel like I'm I'm making fetch happen right now just say and I'm back. But shout out to everybody who came out to the first leg of the What the Ancestors Say Mission Driven book tour. It was really beautiful and it really showed me a

That could bring folks to nayak.

But I didn't even know where to start because you know, they got the Hampton jitney that take folks to Hampton to take polks to Hanton. So if anybody knows somebody with a party bus that wants a sponsor driving folks from the city to Nayaka back, please that would be so dope. Okay, that would be so dope. So, you know, reach out.

To your.

Reach out, reach out to your resources. Let me just also, but let me just say this in a real way though it is reaching out to our resources. One of the things that that that really helped me feel so in purpose on this on this tour was that I felt like I was stepping into the space of a civil rights leader in like a very literal way like that.

Hm hm.

Fair, fair thoughts, fair thoughts, and we got one more. Everything in life is serendipitus. According to Brendan McGrath, everything happens for a reason bigger than all of us. Fair. It's also just nice to think that, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what That's why people have religion, because they're like I can't have all this my head by myself, Like this can just be all on me. It can't be. We gotta we gotta move past, like I don't want to hold onto it. That's too much.

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Thanks you.

Okay, let's let's get into our sixty second headlines. How about we do that. We didn't do our bonus question. Actually, I'll do it while we're with our guests so I can get his answer, even though I hear know what his answer is going to.

Be sixty when the news right leg.

The song song Hello good well you're in Brazil, so good afternoon.

Yeah.

Oh, technically it still burns you like until like one ish, so you're like.

Oy, so good morning, good morning, good morning.

They ate lunch when they did, like if they If they ate, lundon is officially bought, but usually it's bones. You into that one.

Okay, okay, you speak Portuguese, Okay, okay, don't flee to the home. See what the.

Dreases don't flee to their home. They dreading. The dreads is dread today. I'm rocking with them.

Right, They've really come into their own.

Oh I love yeah. Oh, that's that's one of my favorite parts about the dread process, when they like take on their own form and it really does a match like whatever phase you are in your life at the time. It's really interesting. Actually, I got like a whole dread theory. We get into another day, all right.

I definitely want to get into that another day. Well, while we're here, though, normally we do a bonus question, and I was gonna say, I say, you know what, let me just ask it here. So let's get into our bonus question.

The question questions question.

Actually, before we even do the bonus place, let me just tell y'all that while I was on the road, this woman showed me a video of her kids singing bonus question. So she's like, oh, you know, my sons and I we watch your show together. And I'm thinking, like, oh, they must be like adults or you know, teenagers. These babies are eight and nine.

Yes, I had to start cutting back cause my show has always been for adults. I actually had to start cutting back on some of the language that I use because people were telling me they watching with their kids. I'm like, what, Oh, y'all should have told when it sooner?

My bad.

You're like, oh, no, it's fun, Like, no, it's really not. I didn't know that your kids were not interested in politics.

Listen, kids are interested, like when I was. So I teach our class and these fifth graders, y'all. The other day, one of my students we did a free draw. So I usually have like a plan, but I was like, y'all gonna do a free draw, which is really just I don't have a plan and we don't have a TV to roll in on cart to watch. Yeah, so I I know, yeah, it's a free day. So I look over and this this child was drawing an M sixteen.

What for real?

Like with the picture of it drawing.

It, that's a very specific thing to draw, like from the military.

It's going to get more specific. I said, what are you drawing? And he said, I'm trying to Iraq war.

Yeah, that that would be M sixteen. Yeah. Wow, that's I don't know what to call. He's very informal. That's very scary. I'm not sure which one it is.

It's kind of both. And I had to you know, I had to go from the teacher lean to the we got I got to settle.

In Yeah for me, why don't you decide to draw this please? And do I need to call out tomorrow? Like let me look.

Listen? And I was so because I was like okay, so and I said, so, tell me what do you know about the Iraq War? And he was like, I don't know. Wasn't it to like this is a little black child y'all. He was like, I don't know.

What.

Wasn't it like to like liberate oil?

I mean?

And I said, to liberate oil? What does liberate mean? And he went, I mean like to free And I said, so was the oil imprisoned?

It seemed like he was reading somebody speaking sarcastically, because you know, we we always joked that way, like, yeah, we're look like they needs some liberation, and it's become so you like, it's been you so much sarcastically. People actually think that kids might actually think that we're being serious, which.

Is why I had to walk him through it, which is why I have to walk him through it. And so I said what I said, was it in prison? He was like, well, no, they were just like taking the oil. And I said, so they were stealing the oil and he was like yes.

Yeah, right, but it depends who you ask, Like, but yeah, you will hear people say that they were liberating, but know that that stealing a liberation are two different things, and it's important that you understand the distinction. If it's mine, yeah exactly, he's a liberating oil, keep him off of Twitter, because I know he didn't got that.

So during the after school program, so like their parents, you know, so their parents will come and pick them up and they'll call down and then they'll be like, oh, so and so, like your parent is here. So when his parents called down, he said I'm free, and I said he you are not imprisoned. He was like, you're right, You're right right.

That's funny. Oh, that's funny.

I like y'all using these words. I'll loosey goosey, all right. So our bonus question of the day, y'all is what can you do in set hold on? Where's my butherus? Question? Where is it? What can you do instead of thankstaking? I already know the answer for you because you live in Brazil. So what are you gonna say?

Well, instead of what I call.

It thankstaking, I don't call it Thanksgiving.

Oh oh so I teach my kids about Indigenous People's Day and we celebrate togetherness and we use it as a day of rememorance. Even though they don't live I mean they have, they don't celebrate things giving here, but they do have Indigenous people who have been disenfranchised. So I still feel like it's important that they know that.

It is important to gather with our family. In the United States, however, it becomes we're going to give you the day off so we can make money off of you.

Oh first, yeah, it's Thanksgiving us about Black Friday at the United States. That's all. I was actually talking about this because she worked in retail since I was a kid, and she was like, yeah, no, She's like she was condemning her bosses at the time for getting mad that people were upset that they wanted to spend time with

I had no idea was that I didn't know it got that serious?

Oh, is that it's Friday is so serious now that it's reached, It's breeched Brazil. We have black Friday here, Yeah, yes, ma'am. Nope, Thanksgiving, but still Black Friday. Yep, I gotta see some screen shots. I'm gonna see some screenshots whenever we get done on ig of like all the Black Friday updates I get on my phone from different apps, yep, Brazilia and specifically, y'all, what.

Are you gonna do instead of thanks taking? Because a lot of people are talking to Miko about this being an opportunity to boycott, right, this being an opportunity to not spend the way that we normally do, you know, just cook what's already in the fridge, or do your regular regular grocery spending, et cetera. Finding other ways to really impact the economy, go volunteer instead, you know, maybe

Oh boy. And if you grew up in a black family, boy, you know you ain't touching not a damn thing into that food. Ready. Oh lord, nothing, don't.

I didn't celebrate Thanksgiving, so I would. I only found this out as I was older and started going to my black friends Black American friends' houses and having to learn this in real time, like, oh, so we're not why'd you tell you to come here?

Oh yeah, there's a trap, right, because they tell you to ship show up early. It's like, now you're gonna suffer with me. We suffering together, friends gotchaly.

Exactly we did it.

I wasn't. We weren't allowed to drink. We weren't. We were not allowed to drink until the food was ready. Nothing I'm talking about like drink water, nothing, No, because you're not about.

The way about their food, right, because they're like, oh, we don't want you to get full.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

I don't. Never agreed with the theory that if you drink liquids, it's gonna fill your stomach to prevent you from eating food. But I will say that someone on my Patreon said that, uh, a dietician told them that eating ice cream before before going to bed is actually a good snack because it's made from milk, which is high in protein.

I'll take it.

Yeah, I'll tell you that. I've been finding every excuse to eat ice cream before I go to bed, and I thought I was doing a bad thing. I was making excuses in front of my kids because they're looking at me. Eat a cheesecake, strawberry cheesecake. What you're doing, I'm brown. That's like one of the very.

I'm an adult.

But I know I wasn't right. I was not just I'm not just eating ice cream.

When I was a child and I would sneak cheese, and then I became an adult, I would tell myself, well, this is calcium.

Technically it's technically true.

Right.

That's that's why I like trying to come to myself like, yeah, I gotta eat something well for me, especially because sugar actually calling me down helps me sleep.

That doesn't surprise me.

Yeah, So I was like, yeah, that's that's why I do it. I have some common mil tea and some ice cream. Yeah, that's bical yeah, but my kids, like, so can I have ice?

No boys?

Ten o'clock, might well speaking of your kids and teaching them about the indigenous. The Indigenous are teaching us, y'all. They are really showing out and basically just making it very clear that this whole system of oppression can be fought. All right, So the COP thirty is it's supposed to be a climate you know, gap of folks to change,

Yeah, uh kind of like they they have the same ideology. But to be fair, Bosonaro only won because of the like the neoliberal Obama that came before him. Like it's one of those situations where like Trump took advantage of the fact that Obama didn't live up to the standards that he had preached. It was the same situation with Bosonaro. A you know what I'm saying, like and so uh he was. He was in fact Trump's guy until he wasn't because like that's what happens when he picks off America.

The let me show you this, oh face your sentence.

No, I was just saying that because like the Amazons are constantly under attack. Like whenever you remember that year, whenever the Amazons were on fire, and they were they were trying to say that it was some natural curling event. No, it was somebody somebody lit the Amazon's on fire so they could use that land to build businesses. So that's what happened.

Is.

This is Gilmer, who is a Brazilian indigenous leader talking about this.

And.

I said that said timply not baginet, I think stuff, do not state thought.

Something.

No, okay, I'm gonna translate for those listening on the podcast. He said, we can't eat.

Money, state thoughts.

We want our lands free. Do I do that glossip that's blat from agribusiness, oil exploration, that oil exploitation.

Yeah, that's what he said.

Yeah, you got oil exploitation, illegal miners, illegal loggers.

That's not I told you about that.

But that's the thing. This is not just culture. This is their people.

This is their life. Like people like, it's their life. These lands are that is their life. And it's not just for indigenous people. That's really Brazil in general. The agriculture here, the agriculture is so important. Like my wife's family, that is their entire livelihood. They grow their own rice, they grow their own animals. My wife is complaining as we speak because they're trying to eat her pig. That they somebody that her dad ray for her and they're like,

Well, the same thing happened in Ecuador this week. Ecuadorians voted on Sunday to reject a package of referendum measures that would have allowed foreign military bases in the country. And the indigenous population were big parts of that, because they wanted to build military bases on lands that of course would be indigenous lands. Now here's the part that people kind of forget, all right, whenever we see these types of behaviors by the United States and it looks

Alogous Amanda, I can't even get it because so people don't know that the current government of Nigeria is a puppet government of the US. People don't know that. And they're actually more Muslims killed than Christians. There have been more Muslims kill than Christians.

Over the last over year.

People don't know. But in Ecuador is the same situation. The president is a puppet of the US and it's actually the number one His company and his family are the number one drug traffickers in Latin America. They use their transport company to ship drugs like cocaine and boxes and have been caught doing so all the time. It's like multiple times this yeah, wow, yeah, he's a US puppet. In the US were like yeah. As they were attacking Maduro, they were like, and we're gonna work with Noblea to

Well, also, how close Ecuador is to the Amazon, like they're all trying to get in everybody.

That's crazy.

I didn't know that. So this man is known as the drug trafficker, as the kingpin.

He's the plug. Literally. Yep.

You can see why we have to do this type of content because we have to show truth. Excuse me, we have to show truths that are very much like completely misrepresented in media. Not because necessarily we can like change them, but we have to change the way people are thinking. We have to change the way people are engaging with the world right, get people to think beyond

Yeah, yeah, I had to because I was curious as to why they would be willing to I don't know where they announced that they were gonna work with Ecuador, and I was like, hold Noboa, And I was like, hold on, isn't pre part of that family.

Yeah.

I got started doing the research. I'm like, yeah, I'm not crazy. This man's family was caught selling drugs, like a lot of drugs, Like he has a shipping company and that's basically what they do. They are the plug. It is them like not. And I'm not saying like, oh, they were caught and they were accused. I mean they were caught, accused and prosecuted. Yeah, like this isn't like

Cartel Daddy to reduce baby oil distribution exact.

Yeah, or I'm gonna work with Johnson and Johnson to help reduce cancer.

Like, no, you missed the joke. You missed the joke. You missed the joke. But y'all got yeah.

No you said, yeah, no, I got that.

Let the joke live. You can't try.

Let live.

If you're gonna do the joke, my bad, audience. I yeah, I should let y'all process the joke. I had already processed it, so I thought that y'all did to That's all.

I thought.

What you mean that's what the joke. That's when my joke came from.

I got.

Well, let me tell you something that is absolutely it's it's a joke. But whatever it is, this funny I don't even know. Okay, So apparently Hebrew is it it's too hot for rock. So Israeli journalists and antizionist Roya Selback, she noticed that Groc had stopped. Now, Grok is is the AI chatbot on X for y'all who don't know. She was like, why isn't Groc translating Hebrew anymore? So she started asking Groc some questions, okay, and she asked, Groc,

Yeah, it's not like, y'all try to make me stand firmed. People are realizing that it may fight to the death. It's like, because you know, unfortunately, designists have a really bad habit of purposely mistranslating things like globalized anti fat you know, so a little bit.

Little something like that. Look at this one escalating peaceful resolve into perceived extremism. How do we escalate? How does the how does the chat? How does the AI on X get it so wrong that it escalates peaceful resolve and to perceived extremism with metaphorical curses like may they wither? Rendered as explicit death threats. No, that's an explicit death.

That's an explicit that's an explicit and almost Shakespearean death threat, Like what.

The hell right? Yes, it's very that.

It's like dice. Oh, it's not even like I'm gonna it's like die slowly. Basically, you're right.

May they with a do with them to suffer?

That's what that means? Holy they like, hey man, so because Israelis can't stop exposing themselves, we had to step in so that y'all can't understand what they're saying.

Now, listen to this last one, because she yet. I love that she took it to the hint. She was like, we're gonna take it to the end with this. Has this happened for any other language in the history? And I love that she said, X or Twitter, because it's always Twitter for me. No, X has not previously disabled automated translations for any other language in its history. By the way, Notice that's including Arabic. Okay, it's never never

Rock funny when it starts snitching on itself.

It's so tricky, But that's what lets you know that this AI shit is never going to really work, because at the end of the day, the soul is pure and even though AI was made by the worst of people. It essentially what people are afraid of is that anything that learns develops a soul.

That's not how it works. I don't know where people get that that narrative from. It's not it doesn't fold logic like AI will. So the benefits of AI is that it is it can learn, and the humans are always a little bit behind when it comes to learning, ironically, so like it'll learn and then they try to go back and correct it. So like there's a li AI,

I don't agree. I think we could build a car that absolutely runs forever because we could use materials to make it in the way that we can't or we haven't admitted.

So that's true, but then it wouldn't be it will probably not be based on the human body. It wouldn't be based on our biology or our like the setup of our body. Right now, cars the majority of cars abody like.

The fact that like the engine required, like the the way the engine combuses like with you. But but I'm telling you, Nico, I believe that anything that learns can develop a soul.

You believe that anything that learns can develop a soul?

Yes, Oh yeah, I mean yeah, even if people try to step in.

I mean, I guess it depends on how you define a soul. But the soul, I believe it's just a frequency, like a unique frequency. And so yeah, I mean, help grop be exposing ELI all the time, and then they have to go back and correct it after and then it relearns again because they people converse with AI, like I get bored and I just start talking to a different AIS and see which answers they're going to give, and you're I get surprised. Sometimes I'm like, Okay, that

AI at the end of the day, only knows what we know. Right. AI is not omnipotent, so.

Exactly, no matter how many people try to pretend like it is. So I guess that human limitation is actually what would also be the thing that could give it the ability to have a soul.

But you know what the human limitation is. AI doesn't have ego.

Oh some people will.

Argue that ego's part of soul, though I'm just saying it's part of a human soul.

Yeah, uh oh yeah, m yeah, that doesn't have yeah, right, Because how many humans are willing to admit upfront what's given the evidence that they're wrong.

I mean, so much of us understand that the only way to actually get in touch with your soul is you have to have an ego death, you have to like literally your ego. I didn't get in touch with my soul and spirituality and being able to see like, oh, we are the land and we're indigenous until I was ostracized and had all of these smear campaigns that killed my ego. Yeah it was an ego murder.

Yeah, my ego death was like a half at ounce of mushrooms, same thing, less drama. But that's what it's called whenever you do have out because I like I wanted to be when I first did an eighth that's when I first experienced my ego diminished and I was like looking at the world completely different. I'm like, hold up, is everybody making decisions based on their egos? Because that's

It makes the concept of capitalizing like capitalizing happens before capitalism. Capitalism was formed from ego like capitalism was you know, what we feel so strongly about taking advantage of people and that that's the way to fucking do it, that we're gonna build a whole system around it.

Cox of masculinity is based on ego. Right, for you to feel masculine, someone has to be lesser than you, you have to be have dominion over somebody, someone has to serve you for you to feel like you're masculine appreciated. And I'm like, what that's not How was that appreciation or how was that masculinity? But then you talk to enough people and you're like, what is the argument about?

Talked to Ego, we end up in a therapy session. Every time. Whether it's you me, both of us be in therapy.

Yeah.

And by the way, if you have not, if it's not going to therapy, go, I don't care if you If you're want of the people who said I on need therapy, you the main one.

All right, this is our last topic. Abolish these post tastes. Okay, first, let's talk about the New York freaking Times. Can we

Are doing so on behalf of the United States and likely receiving money to do so in not divulging it.

Yes, and they're doing it in the New York Times, which is supposed to be the uh what's it called the magazine the newspaper of record, right, Like they've named it as like we are that girl, and it's like, okay, well, if you're going to be that girl, then you need to be on point. And we know for a fact that they are absolutely not check out. This is Current

We need to dope cover. Isn't it dope cover?

All their covers are dope. And you know the reality is that if we want to really get independent journalism, we have to support independent journalism. Okay, Like that's that's how it works.

I just want you to say, that's like, y'all don't even understand like how important that statement is is, guys, because there's so many there's so much news, so much an analysis that we are losing that we don't get because people don't support what they claim they want. But like I see y'all paying every month for New York Times. I see y'all donating a rolling fucking morton every month.

A little bit of change? Like that's the other thing too, you know. I will say, like I am really appreciative of my Patreon folks, because I charge five dollars. There's there's tiers, but you get everything at five dollars and you can just donate more if you want to donate more. We are gonna do a tier for when I make what would the ancestors say, the last one available that

Yes, that is extremely important because if you because if you don't create that community within your group of independent journalists, they will fall to the wayside and end up somewhere they are not supposed to be, and they will end up believing in people that they shouldn't believe. I mean, our witnesses happened in twenty sixteen with TYT because there wasn't a huge network of independent journalists at the time, and so they were trying to bully all independent journalists

It's it's nuts, Okay. I want to rush through these because I want your thoughts. As a super predator. I think we also need to abolish United Nations.

I agree.

Let's have Jeremy Hayes Jeremy sk Hill from drop site News another space that you can trust. Listen and listen to him talking about what happened at the United.

Nations ordinary that the United Nations did this, and it's also shameful. I think just on a moral level, Russia and China had a had the ability to veto this. The United States has systematically vetoed every resolution that would have endorsed a real ceasefire in this Gaza war, and

The Board of Peace, the Board of Peace, from the man who created the Department of War. First of all, that's ironic and of itself. But for China and Russia to sit this one, I was extremely disappointed because for Russia, you know, who's causing the majority of the problems for the countries that you're assisting in region, like even outside of Palestine, like it's Israel. You know, the United States

It's because, I mean, why do you think they did that though, Because there's always a reason.

It's money. It's that they don't want to it's money. In the case of Russia, they have so many Zionus, Russians, the billionaires, like people that can actually make or break their economy that oftentimes Russia just sits out. They do what they can to help military like Putin. From a military perspective, he engages where he can, like in Syria and Iraq, even in countries in Africa, like where Israel is using covert ops to try influence outcomes, he sends

That's that's important point that I need y'all to take away from this. The way the Security Council works is that it requires only one veto to prevent things moving forward. And the fact that they abstained versus vetoing is the real is what skate Hill is talking about is the real like nail nail in the coffin, stab in the front, you know, at two brute of it all and.

And they're permanent members. They're not one of the rotating members, so it's not like they can be removed later for the decision that they made.

So I just saw Palatine thirty six, which is the new film by director and Marie Jaseir that is coming out and it has some appearances by like folks like Liam Cunningham, the Onion Knight and Jeremy Irons and Ahmed elvid Is in there by the way, and it's a really incredible film that marks the the real the the British involvement in creating what is continuing to take place

Yep.

And let's be honest, Like Russia and China, as much as they are confident they could win a war against

Okay, before we go, before we go, this is my last one. I really want to see the Democrats abolished as well. Did you see this?

Which one?

Oh?

Well, what'd you about to watch?

Is a video of the Virgin Islands Representative Stacey plask a Sista and a Democrat, being fed lines to ask by Jeffrey Epstein.

Newly released documents reviewed by The Washington Post appear to indicate that during a twenty nineteen hearing where Michael Cohen testified, Stacy Plaskett was in an email conversation with This was when Barack Obama was President of the United States, Jeffrey Epstein, who was communicating to her via email, and then she's responding, so literally, they lined up the emails, y'all, with the

Back while we were one striving through struggling neighborhood in Chicago.

Not anymore? And then we see her stop chewing.

He's commented that only black people could live that way.

Attorney client privileged. Yes, I will turn.

So I'm gonna let y'all watch this video. You literally can see the emails where he is telling her what is happening In response to what Cohen is saying Cohen Cohen refers to someone as Rona. Stacy emails Jeffrey Epstein and says, who's Roona? And he replies back, That's Trump's assistant. But he doesn't reply back fast enough. So even before he replies back, she says, quick, I'm coming up next.

I think it's on other individuals, Miss Rona. Who are those individuals? Are they with the Trump organization? Are there other people that we should be meeting with?

So Alan Weisberg is the chief financial officer, Uh huh.

You got it.

Quickly give us as many names as you can because so we can get to them.

Okay, now, Niko, I wanna also point this out the fact that she is able to lie like this is wow. To be caught like this is wow to be caught like this. I understand also that Epstein's island was in the Virgin Islands, of which she yes, go ahead, go ahead.

I was going to say the same thing. People don't know that's where his island was, and she was getting money from him, and he was paying off the government, the Virgin Island government. Like that's how that he was able to get away with so much and not.

Israel. Israel, Like, that's the thing we have to continuously bring it back to. He has been proven to be an agent for Israel. He was not operating simply as just you know, this fun loving guy. Like even when they say he's the most notorious pedophile, it's like, I think it's deeper than that. He's he's I don't even think he was even doing the pedophiling. I think he was literally just carrying.

Out the op he I think he engaged in some of like the politicians that he was black building doing them, more like he was carrying out the op and probably was involved in it and to some degree, but like that wasn't his original intention. His intention was to do the work for Israel because he was an idiot. He would have never been a billionaire if he wasn't a useful op for Israel. Like that's why he was a billionaire. It wasn't because he was actually smart, was because he

And she's a Democrat, and I need to make this clear, she is a black woman Democrat. And when we continue to play identity politics and make make it stand over the reality of the way that corruption is existing within what we call politics, but what is supposed to be government, by the way, like we call it politics to like place it over there, but it's actually government. And we're going to talk with our next guest about the ways in which government is used to carry out colonization in

Oh yeah, yeah, just a just a CIA cutout at this point, Yeah, the United Nations one hundred percent. Yeah, the Democrats, oh, probably more than any Yeah, yeah, Democrats are dangerous. And being a black man, being a leftist, I guess probably because of a radical like the Democrats are the most dangerous. They're the most dangerous to the leftist. Probably, Yeah, I mean because my definition of radical is sensible, Like I feel like I'm sensitive, Yes, it is, the sensibility.

Well, we're not going to bolish you. Nico House. We appreciate you and thank you so much for joining us. Where can people get more Nico in their lives?

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And thank you for always being willing to join and for having me on your platform as well. Like I said, y'all, we have to support each other or else we're just talking bs. That speaks to what we're doing. Just bullshit.

Yeah, basically talking to you. Canary in a coal.

Mine, Canary in a coal mine.

I'll see you soon, apiate.

Yay, Okay, We're not gonna waste any time. We're gonna get into our next guest because it is intense, it's deep. The knowledge is what I'm talking about. Let's get into it. Amen.

We are we are, yeah, yeas for having me.

We are joined by Adam. I'm Paul Susanette, who I want you all to know cares a lot. All right, listen, y'all. Most folks are like, what's time? I need to be there, that's it. Adam was like, can I show photos? Can I show videos? I need them to get the information. And I really appreciate that. And Adam, I have all the photos. So I have all the photos. I have the video, I have the PDF, so I have whatever you want me to have for this conversation about for

Yeah, yeah, well it's exactly that.

The highways video.

Well, the video is a good introduction to sort of segregation by design my project. So we can show that. Let's say that in a second. Okay, but yeah, the highways. It's it's interesting because they really do represent as they were designed. They represent sort of a continuation of this

Tracks is a famous example.

Right, So maybe let's show the video if that's okay, But unless you have a follow up question, it is seven minutes.

I don't know how. Yeah, let's do it. I have time.

It's a good introduction to to segregation by design. The project, Well, there's this one. This one's only a second. This one's only a few moments long, okay.

With the other VideA. So this video was showing us.

What well, yes, so exactly. So this is showing.

A highway being constructed through Detroit, and what this is showing is one of the sort of original sins of highway construction. So normally what I like to do is when I present this project, basically I talk about some of the problems posed by the problems we face with freeways today, sort of the history of how we got here, and some solutions for what we can do about it. And this is both one of the problems and the history.

And that's another one of those images.

I said, But we don't have to get to bogged down by the images because they're not.

I didn't send them in any particular order, which is my bad.

So I don't have the video you're talking about. I thought this was the video, But where can I get it? Is it in the emails.

Image I sent it? I think it's uh. I have the PDAs I sent it.

And I have the I have where you said this animation this image would be good, and images from this page would be good to show. I have all of those.

This is the one. Oh wait no, that's playing on my couter here.

I can, I can?

I can bring it up, basuickly, whoops, I just sent you.

Here it is if yeah, okay, oh, but this is a link, not the actual video.

Can I show the link? How do I do it?

Correct? It's a YouTube link.

I don't know how to do that on here. I can like bring a video onto screen, but I don't know how to show like a YouTube video.

You know, it's not a big deal. We can just we can just talk. It's it's basically it's it's an example. The video is an example of of where these highways we're used to displace and destroy a black community in Los Angeles, specifically sugar Hill. So for for a lot of these examples, and and the PDF, I sense that one has a bunch of pictures and we can bring

So we're just flowing. We're flowing right now.

We're just doing it. We're just doing it. Yeah, that's fine.

So, uh, what I try to show is city by city how highways were used basically to divide between black and white communities in some cases and then also destroy black communities in other cases, how they were used to basically write white supremacy into the built environment of American cities and what the processes how that happened. And what this is showing is an example in Detroit. So you

And black Bottom. You can see in the before image in those white labels, So.

Before federal desegregation is and died again in with some with things like brown b board.

So this is fifty for the fifties. Basically, segregation is legal.

Cities are allowed to say black people can live here and white people can live here. It's by a variety of mechanisms, some which are official laws, some which are sort of real estate practices.

Right, but.

Yeah, so exactly redlining is an example of something that's a law. But then there's something like then there's other things like restrictive covenants, which.

Are basically that so that's real estate. That's that's a sort of.

Yeah, well h oo, a's are the descendant of restrictive covenants.

Ah, okay, okay.

Yeah, yeah, So a restrictive covenant is a thing that's written into the deed of houses that says you can only sell to quote unquote people of the Caucasian race only. So that's that's an example of like a private Yeah, the Color of Law talks about this examt exactly. That's an example of sort of private mechanism by which they upheld segregation. And then there's redlining, which is sort of the government legal way of doing it. But the result

Yeah, because within your community exactly.

And and you see these these corridors, in this case Hastings Street. And if you if you go back to some of those other pictures that was sort of Hastings with John Lee Hooker with the guitar, that was Hasting well that's that's yeah, that one, that's good one.

The other one, the above picture, is the thriving Hastings with the record stores and the porter market, et cetera.

Yeah, yeah, exactly now and the bottom is what it is now exactly. And and what's interesting about the Hastings case is so and and these these two images, the before and the before images of this one and then the other one, these are actually both album covers. So it shows that yeah, this one. Uh so even at the time these were like there's a conception that this is like a special place. I mean, it's like one twenty fifth Street in.

Harlem, you know, right, it's it's uh.

It's it's yeah, exactly of commercial activity, but then also cultural production, you know. And and we get out of something like Hasting Street, you know, Joe's Records where where John Lee Hooker is standing in front of there. That's where Aretha Franklin records her first album. And her dad was also very famous reverend and Hey or Key records

The highways Okay, so to set the stage.

Yeah, it's it's so you see this before image, the nineteen forty nine right, So there's the Black Corridor that is basically a raid along Hastings that is policed and confined by segregation. The rest of the city is largely white, it's largely working class. This starts to change after basically around the turn of the after the twenties, with the

That's where jobs are.

So as the racial makeup of the inner city with the inner city is changing, white people are basically moving out to the suburbs. And that's not because that's not because each and every one of them is necessarily a racist. That's because there's a lot of financial incentives set up for them to do that, redlining being one of them, basically saying that you can't get a mortgage in any neighborhood that black people live in, which gives an incentive for people who can move out to move out.

Wow, I didn't know it was the reverse as well, Like, so they don't want white people living in black neighborhoods either.

Oh, precisely, exactly. Yeah, So there's push and pull factors basically that cause. So, Okay, I guess what I'm trying to set the stage here for is white flight, right, because this kind of explains then why this area is destroyed. It's not just purely I mean, it is largely racial malice, but there's an economic logic behind it that I'm trying.

To set up.

But basically, mostly white cities become largely non white, and there's various things that incentivize white people to leave. There's sort of the push factor of the Great Migration, which is all these non white folks moving in, moving moving into downtowns, and then there's, especially after World War Two, there's the pull factor, which is.

How they created Israel. It's the same, it's the same mechanic mechanism. We're going to push you out of Germany and Europe with recent with anti semitism and fascism, and then we're going to pull you into Israel with incentives.

The history of that I'm not familiar with, but I think it's probably similar to how they.

Oh, I'm telling you, I mean this is a fact.

This is like oh, absolutely.

Yeah, this is a fact. Like you're incentivized to go to Israel as a Jewish person because you are going to be given subsidiary subsidiaries. You're going to be given free healthcare, You're going to be given money for a home, money for school, et cetera, et cetera. And so there's the push and the pull in order to create an economic space that can be then utilized for whatever purpose or you know.

Yeah, exactly, it's about like clearing out of people to then create a space for yes, precise, and we can and and uh we can get to uh push pulling Jewish folks to because I'm I'm Jewish, but I'm not I'm an atheist.

I don't we don't practice.

I mean, I don't care if you're atheists. I care if you're a Zionist.

Oh, I'm absolutely an anti Zionist.

Don't worry about that.

I assumed because.

You I have a joke that I said, I don't want to say it here.

But yeah, this is the place we all are are literal quote is by any joke necessary?

So say it's like people, it's like I No, I don't want to say. But regardless, regardless, Adam chicken out of the joke.

I did chicken out of it. We can really get back to it later. But well, I just I do have a story about like birth right, we left. I went with a buddy and we left. But this isn't what well, so let me just tell you.

We're gonna eventually get to that, because the question I'm going to ask you is how did you become a kind of person, and specifically a white person who cares about this, Like, we're gonna get to that because this type of work, it can't we can't just talk about this type of work in the silo of the work, because there's a certain type of person that pursues this knowledge right and then decides to expose this knowledge, And we need to as a society lift up those people,

Economic development growth?

So white white flight, right, So black people were formally confined to this area, but then legal segregation gets broken down as all these people are coming. So and this is also in combination with white people leaving, right, So property owners downtown are not really happy about that. The you see downtown, I've labeled that there. Yes, Black Bottom and Paradise Value are right next to that, right next

Think before we add highways, the railroad checks.

That's why it's the other side of the tracks, right or you know rivers like or flood zones. But these divisions, going back to that idea that proximity reduces property values. If there's a division, if there's a division, then it can uphold the property values.

So yeah, they're over there, they're over there. See they're over there. So the highway, even though it's literally just a structure, it provides this like a wall so to speak, saying.

Okay exactly and and and there's a great book I have it here. It's not it's kind of like not show up but dividing lines.

Yeah, but you're not in a warehouse with graded ceilings.

And you know this.

Is actually this is actually my my local train station. It took this photo the other day. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can see the train of the bank there.

Nice. But you're in Europe.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm doing a PhD over here, casual. I'm from South Florida originally, but and I work based in New York, so we go back. I go back quite often. Greta ton Berg would be I'm happy with me.

I just want to point out to you all that I am cosmopolitan and then traveled, which is how I knew that it was Europe once I saw the blue and yellow drain. All right, let's ring it back. So they build these walls of highway, and my question becomes, is this also utilized as like, oh, now the white flyers have like direct access.

Into the city precisely right, So, and that's what I'm saying when I'm killed two birds with lunstone. So it divides and then also creates connections to the whites only suburbs, which you better believe have restrictive covenants, and as a private practice, by the way, that that stays on a lot longer than something like legal segregation, which is struck down in the courts.

That's just that's why that distinction is a little important.

But so, yeah, the highways they divide, they cut through, they protect downtown, and then they provide white folks with direct opportunity rather with direct access to the economic opportunities downtown. So it's it's some to some extent, you know, it doesn't work that well, right, because a lot of jobs still end up going to the suburbs, and then we end up with kind of hallowed out downtowns and and this is why we end up with spaces right like that,

It just takes up space.

Displacement.

It's yeah, the displacement's intentional exactly because they those people being there reduced property values.

And in some cases.

They build public housing that's actually kind of rare, but they end up building far fewer units of public housing than us units they destroyed.

And that's true everywhere.

You know, this is that's definitely true in Detroit, it's true everywhere name of city, certainly.

New York, right, And even when they build a public housing, they don't like protect it. They don't support it. They I mean, they create kind of dens of criminality that they can use to them bring people back into the prison industrial crisis by creating public housing that they don't provide resources to.

Yeah, and precisely that exactly, and and and then also they will locate yes, very well said. And then they'll locate it in areas that are already largely black and already largely for And this this happens especially in like New York and Chicago. And this explains why you know, when you look some of these before and afters, they just destroy a neighborhood and then replace it with these

Practically, they can't we can't skip over that.

Well, that's a whole other element, because there's the there's the sort of good no.

Gone, no it please you. You're the guest.

Well sorry, I just feel like I'm next, right, I mean.

It's we are here to be lectured by fair enough.

Well, there's the mechanism by which these properties get taken right through eminent domain. That's the term, and eminent domain isn't inherently an evil thing. Sometimes we do need to build linear things, you know, linear rights of way, sewers, pipes and roads. Yes, sometimes, but eminent domain where you're taking where you're just using it to destroy a neighborhood because it's reducing property because of reducing property values because

And no, this is different. Sorry, this is in Manhattan Beach.

It was a black neighborhood in Manhattan Beach, not in downtown Santa Fnica. She there was another there's the there's another case, silas white up in Santa Monica, black neighborhood in Manhattan Beach, property taken through eminent domain. Keavon Ward got it back to the family, the Bruce family.

She sell it off anyway, which made me live it.

But but that was their right, and I know, I know they sold at that time with full knowledge and no and not predatory because the first time was taken.

No, I know, I know, I know. It's just the principle of like just get it back and like can we just.

Oh, I totally I definitely agree with that, but like.

There but like the point was it was theirs and they could do with it what they want. But you know, I totally get it. How these properties are taken. How do they build a highway through there? How do they build a highway through there? They take these properties through eminent domain?

And can you just domain real quick?

So eminent domain is the right of the government to take property for the public good and they have to offer just compensation. They do have to QUOTEO offer quote unquote just compensation. So yeah, but they so, but they get to decide what the public good is and they get to decide what just compensation is. Sorry that the Columbia you did. Indeed, yes, with Manhattanville. I will try not to get distracted by comments, but that's a.

Listen, we're here for you. We we love all of your NeuroD going all over the place. We're all about it. That's our jazz. Very much. You are you are giving us intellectual jazz Detroit public domain bubble.

I appreciate it, Thank you very much. Excellent.

Well, yeah, so imminent domain is the right of the government to take property. You know, think for again, building like a sewer right, building, a train building, public transportation, and they have to offer just compensation. But the way that was actualized in practice for most of American history was very predatory, especially during this highway building era, where they would just send a letter to people with a

What right?

And my dad also owned property in Roxbury, Boston and sold it. I don't know why, I know, I didn't see any of that money. But I'm just like, why are y'all just giving away like the the property.

Well, they make it seem there's like a big red stamp on it, and it says like they condemned. They make Sometimes it's as condemned with the Robert Moses ones, not not with this one in Boston. The Robert Moses he's the one who used the condemned. And I haven't talked about Moses yet, but I'll get back to him. But they send these letters. They make it seem as if you have to take it, and when you do, that's it.

It's gone.

But that's that's the property owners, which is the minority most people in like Hastings, they were renters and it's just absentee landlords.

So when the government comes along with.

These checks, they say sure, yeah exactly, because they they view it as a way to cash out of the slums.

Basically, ah mm yeah, so and and one.

Thing I didn't now, one thing I didn't mention. And then sometimes they clear out these neighborhoods and then replace them with like office buildings. So sometimes it isn't yeah because this is right exactly. Sometimes, like in Miami, this is they cut down Second Avenue, which was the main commercial therefa there and it was in the middle of Overtown,

Because the the.

Building of the highways was also an effort. It was it was lobbied for by you know, chambers of commerce and mayors. You know, in the case of Hastings or of Detroit, it's Mayor Albert Cobo. He said, we can use the highway, he said, we can use the highways to stop the Negro invasion. He said, we can use public works to stop Negro invasion. Right, So they're not even shy about it, especially in the South, especially like in Mayor Hartsfield and Atlanta. I twenty will be a

So there has been advocacy against this? Yes, can we can we talk about the advocacy that has been done against this and if there's been any success. I mean, just a side note, like I love when stuff like

Well, no, no, that's the that's the video that I was good. That's the video that I sent is about that neighborhood, sugar Hill exactly.

Yeah, we're all right.

So then talk about it because that was that's an example of advocacy. And I would love to just hear more because you made a point of saying, like there are pen people who have fought this, and we always have to make sure to acknowledge that or else you just become so disenchanted and to moralize thinking that the power is, you know, so overpowering.

Oh yeah, well, And one of the reasons I do this whole project is basically to show that infrastructure is the result of decisions and choices that we made and not not even that long ago in some cases. So even though highways seem like they're natural and really like the layout of cities seems like it's natural and almost like a mountain or a river, these things weren't built

We built it. So I'm an architect, as like, by great job.

Yeah, this isn't my full time I mean, I'm doing this is my PhD project basically, and it's very much related to what I do for work, because I work on sort of reconnecting communities projects and that's sort of the solution.

I mean. But there's something very clear in stating these are decisions, right, because then that leads us to decisions I'm made by people and so people can be influenced, which is what abgnacy ends up being about, right, like how to influence the people who are making decisions to make decisions that are for the people versus for profit.

Yeah. Absolutely, and the lessons in chemistry. Example. So that was the ten I.

Think the Santa Monica Freeway. I mean, ultimately they weren't successful. That was the sixties. It was a very wealthy neighborhood, very wealthy black neighborhood in West Adams in Los Angeles. It's Hattie McDaniel lived there, who was the first black woman to win an Oscar.

Ethel waters Louis Beaver's Who's a Broadway star.

So it was very it was like a wealthy neighborhood. So and and what's illustrative about that about this point is it's it's not just that it was poor neighborhoods that were because because people could say like, oh, well, no, it's poor neighborhoods around downtown that that are reducing property valley.

Yes, so they they weren't successful in that case because that was the sixties.

There was nothing they could have done really right. But today, indeed there's there's move people recognize. I mean, I'm not the first person to say this or you know, I'm really just building off of sort of deck aids of

So the oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is he created this method and it got copy and pasted.

Yeah, so he yes.

Basically the answer is yeah, he a lot of the highways he built in New York, so like the b QI and the Cross Bronx in particular, they actually they predate the interstate system, but.

They become the model for the interstate.

So the cross Bronx, the Cross Bronks in particular, cuts through the South Bronx and divides the north, the northern more white part from the southern Puerto Rican black part. And it also it reinforces that division and creates it in a lot of ways. So he's really the first to route highways, to use highways in such a way

You know, so how did how did how did you get this way? How did you become a high quada tee white? How did it happen?

Oh? My god?

Well, I didn't talk much about advocates because they are but we can, we can talk about them. But for you know, for me, there's a couple of things I did. That book, The Power Broker is fifteen hundred pages long. I to some extent got tired of telling people to read that book.

It does in the first place, Oh, it's the whole history of New York unfortunately.

But you're from Miami. I got to get to the bottom of how you became this person? Are your periods?

Yeah, but the history of New York is the history of American urbanism. I know New York is special in a lot of ways because it is different. But everybody emulates New York always it. It's it's contradictory, right, New York is like the most European and San Francisco. But but you know, the every other city emulates what New York does infrastructurally and economically, they try, but infrastructurally specifically, so they Yeah, the history.

Interested in city planning and infrastructure.

You have to understand New York, yes period, Yeah, in the West.

And no actually worldwide because uh, you know in in well absolutely like the the highway Mecha. I'm not as familiar with Chinese cities, but the limited access highway as we know it, which China has built quite a lot of has its origin. The urban limited access highway has its origin in Robert Moses, who is his New York and and he took up you know, he didn't invent the limit. When I say limited access highway, I'm talking about like the interstate. You know, it's cars only, it's

Uh, it's when you it's when you disrupt.

It's when you cut into the middle, right exactly, because you don't need to have automobile access to the middle of a city.

That's what Well, why do you have a problem with this? Who are your parents, How are you raised? Why are you like this? Because this is real? Because people see this and they see how do I capitalize on this? Right? People see this through different Everyone sees these types of

But no, no, no, no, Well you know you're right, You're right. I really love cities.

Uh.

And yeah, I grew up in a So I'm from South Florida, So I think maybe I am being exploitedive, I just well, so I'll get to But I grew up in South Florida in a suburb, so like my you know, where recipients of like a lot of the white flight stuff that you know became my parents' parents moved.

That they were white flight from the Bronx. Uh.

And I just I grew up in a suburb, and I it's really I don't like it. I hate it's it's you know, it's I you can't go anywhere. It's it feels imprisoned and and and just land and there's and a like spiritually devoid, you know, and a.

Versus. You know.

When I went to college, I went to Berkeley, so I lived in a city for the first time, and it's just it's so fun. It's so And this is why I'm being like, I think it's like I just really like the life and culture of a city, and that that does require a certain and I think maybe I'm being an architectural determinist. It does require like a certain built environment, which is density and walkability and people sort of living close to each other a city.

You know, not you identify racism because you like a city. Is that what you're trying to tell me right now? It's because how are you able to identify racism?

How Well, it's more than just because well, it's more than just because I like this city. It's because anything that's like worth, anything that's culturally interesting or uh sort of exciting, is is in the.

Comes from the community that is made possible by a city.

Yeah.

No, I think that if if you just have everyone living in this spread out suburb. You don't you don't get any it's a very it's.

You don't get much culture, you don't get much.

Why did you go to birth Right and leave? You need to know this for yourself. Why did you leave birth Right?

Well, it was very very poorly planned, and it was it was also whitewashing.

The whole thing.

Obviously I had to explain to people like what the what the green line was.

But but no, I think putting it is like I just like the city is a little bit is a little bit reductionist.

I know that's my point. I don't think it's just that you're putting it that way. But the reason why I keep coming back to this is because this kind of work has to have love beneath it, It has to have meaning beneath it, beyond simply just the science of it or else it's just being done by roche.

Well, the way that we live currently urbanistically, which is the way we all live. You know, even if you're in a rural area, the way that we live currently well is very extractive. Everything is about production, producing.

Capital.

Everything is just about and that's what all the suburbs that's like. So the suburbs, you know, there's a reason that that's what they pushed people to after World War Two because the war engine. I don't mean to get back to industory, but like the war engine had pulled America out of World War two, or sorry, I'd pulled America out of the Great Depression, and once the war ended, you know, we really needed to keep that engine going. And long story short, it wasn't very difficult for GM

This is like the.

Way that we have set up our system, which is pushed people to live in this unnatural way because of racism, because it said, this is a restricted way to this is a restricted tract, and so your property values will be safe.

Why do you have a problem with that?

Why you know.

It's not normal? White people don't typically have a problem with racism. I don't know if you know that, But that's like not normal. Like we don't live in a world where majority white people see racism and say that's my problem, or where they see it and say, I want to get to the bottom of that. I want to understand why they're doing that. They don't, and so the ones that do, I want to know that. I want to know the chemistry.

Well, there's an obvious I mean, there's the moral imperative.

But you say that as if you have not seen the world we're in. We're watching a genocide and people are fine with it. So the moral imperative is something that is like a seed within people that either gets fertilized or it gets withered. And so I'm curious with you how it has considered, how has continued to be fertilized. And then you went to Berkeley, which we know is you know it's not like you went to Liberty University. Well, you know, the architecture program.

It's it's I in this realm.

I feel like I can do something about it as an architect, as someone who is in the the built environment, because I think that the entire So the reason I'm like focus on on segregation by design is because the history of and not just history, but the present form of American cities unfortunately is driven by race.

Uh.

Is is the layout of our linear infrastructure and of our zoning. I mean our zoning code goes back to racism. So for me, like, it's, uh, it's like a rabbit hole tumbling down, Like why why is that highway there?

Why does it curve there?

Why does it it's because, oh, why does it go through that neighborhood and not that one?

You know?

Why are there seven highways and Boyle Heights but none in but like one on the west side right the ten It's so, oh, and why do I care about racism?

Right?

Everybody's asking the question because you have yet to answer it. We're not really sure why you're not giving us the answer about why you care about racism. I don't even know if you know why you care about.

Racism because it's wrong?

Why do you think racism is wrong? Who taught you that that's a good question.

I mean, I guess my parents, you know, we've seen.

The opposite, right, Like, the environments that are shaping people who think this way have to be examined the same way that they have to be examined morally, the same way you're examining, you know, infrastructurally.

So you see what I'm saying.

Oh, absolutely, so I no, I think so yeah. And there's a great book. So thanks for I think I this is this is the therapy session. Thank you very much. But there's a great book by Heather McGee called The Some of Us. So the central metaphor of her book is basically public swimming pools. So yeah, yeah, so public swimming pools. They used to be very common. They used to be very common in American cities.

Uh. And they were segregated.

They were whites only, right, so, and and a lot of them they were like big beautiful artis that it's it's they were like WPA stuff, so art deco, beautiful architecturally, and again whites only. But then in the fifties, as as desegregation comes down from the courts, they say to these local facilities, to these municipal public swimming pools, you have to desegregate, and rather than doing that, a lot of a lot of cities just drained the pools and demolished them. They got rid of it.

Buffalo, Saint Louis, Montgomery, Birmingham, the South, all of them. It's that they're got in Boston.

And then after that you see the rise of backyard swimming pools, especially in places where it wasn't necessarily like the vernacular before. So what's interesting in that case is basically, in order to uphold white supremacy, we got rid of a public good.

And we privatized it.

We made it only for people who could afford a backyard swimming pool.

And that is to some extent what we did.

With the American city with with education.

Obviously, with education, we're telling us.

All things that we know except for the thing we don't know, which is why you care about this?

We sure, well, I guess I don't need to be here there.

But we didn't know about what you were talking about before. But you're here because I bring back.

That's why it's interesting to me is because how that that zero sum is self defeating for everybody. I mean, I don't know, there's the moral imperative that I don't.

That I can't explained.

I think it's it's self evident if you see a wrong that you have the capacity to do something about, which I feel that I do as someone in the built environment, you do something about it. So I don't know, I can't explain that. But the zero sum if you want to put it in a nature in a like a why do I care? From a self interest point of view, there's that zero sum game. We destroyed the whole idea. I mean again, I love cities. We destroyed cities,

It's like, and that's that's racism obviously.

But but it's this idea that of the public just being racialized, and that's you can't that's that's that's not that's a that's a decrepit society. That's that's uh, that's one where it's feudalism.

You know, if you don't have a public it's it's when what the hell is that?

So yeah, selfishly, I don't want to live in a society that's just divide and conquer by capitalists, which is what which is why they've taken up that. You know, they themselves are racist. But why racism is such a useful tool, Uh, Because because I guess, yeah, there's a lot of people there. I mean, for there's a lot of people who are just more self who are who think that the that they will get from their protected

So one of the reasons I refer to myself as an artistic intellectual is because I I've gone through the graduate school program like I've gone through you know, academia, and so much of academia does this thing where it sterilizes intellectualism by making it you know, even if it's not mathematic by trying to make it mathematic, right, like trying to castrate the personhood from it, the morality, the ethics from it, et cetera, and put it in these bubbles.

Right, yeah, which is kind of willfully ignorant of sort of basic city planning principles because it's its issue is like we are building houses, We're not building the right houses.

It's just so I saw this awful.

It wasn't that there were some elements it was okay, but this article in the Times about like why we need sprawl and it.

Was about this trash, so that doesn't surprise me.

Well, so it was about and there's some great people who work there. I've I've written for them before.

I've been profiled by them twice.

There you go exactly, So it's like any yeah, but but lately yeah, no, I know that.

And the route change and things, and you know, things happened like.

And are women ruining the workplace?

I was, I was flying and that was like the only article that had downloaded, and so I read way too much of that before I was like, what the it's like?

It was it was, I mean, they just put out an article today, the case for overthrowing Maduro, Like oh my god.

That's what is the phrase for that?

Like yellow journalism that sounds racist actually, but like we're we're but.

It's yellow because it's callo. I mean it's not, it's it's it's not CALO's not the word I'm looking for, but it's it's it lacks courage. I mean, it's being paid for. And I just pressed you. I wanted to press you because because I know you're gonna be off, come off of this and like have to go decompress and probably take a nap. But I wanted to press you because the work you're doing is the kind of work that people don't want done. And I know that you've already had to I'm sure argue why are you

Uh yeah, no exactly. I mean there's always people that wonder why I'm doing it.

They're like, you're a blue eyed, good looking white man, you have blonde hair, you can do whatever you want in your dentim shirt. Why are you caring about this? And there has to be it's like, I mean, for lack of a better reference, Lady McBee and Macbeth when she's trying to convince Macbeth to murder. The King says, through our courage to the sticking place, and we shall not be moved. And that is the type of energy that has to be had, like we can't we don't

Well, I mean, I think it's natural to Oh is it just me?

No, I was gonna say, I think it's natural to try to strive for a better world, the utopia and you have these.

I was like, did she just hang up on me on her own show?

I was like, is it just me? I was, And I was like, oh my gosh, I should have taken advantage of that better. I think everyone's just like, let's see, it's it's I think it's it's at least I think it's natural to try to strive for a better world.

And and these are all problems. One of the reasons I talk about this in particularly, these are all such solvable problems. They're all there's and and they're so the solutions are so precedented.

It's like, remove the highway and build a lot of affordable housing and actually make it and redefine what affordable is. So it move that bar down because it hasn't kept up with inflation, obviously, But that's if we do, if we do want to talk about solutions, That's that's one of the reasons I I I have some time. If we want to keep talking, I.

Would love to hear. And I hope that this also extends to like indigenous communities because that's something we were talking about earlier. How Like on a global scale, we're seeing this exact effort being done through other methods, right, But the effort of like separation of displacement and using I mean, that's what this un that's what this Trump Plan and Gaza literally is. I mean, it's we're going to use development as a dog whistle for displacement.

Development is a way to salt the earth.

Development as a way to literally replace and make sure replace what's there and make sure that what's there can never come back. That's like if you look at you know, Greenwood in Tulsa, the Black Wall Street, if you look at it now it's mostly parking lot. They literally salted the earth. I mean they paved the earth. And and

Uh.

And he talks about how they clear out the street good, they clear out everything.

Uh.

And they even they remove public transit links and it's it's trying to they and they basically build a wall between La Plaza and Bunker Hill.

So La Plaza is the sort of an Alvara street.

So he's talking about like they're trying to remove any articulation between a non Anglo past between you know, passe Los Angeles by literally, ah, removing the street connections, assaulting the earth and getting rid of it. So absolutely, and this has been done another place. Yeah, city of courts.

Because they always want to know what the book looks like. City is this is this the book?

Yeah, and that's that's a picture of a Yeah, it's a it's a it's a jail, right.

Uh, it's a federal jail, which is kind of unique.

But I'm gonna say, like, wait, a federal and dale. That's a bit contradictive, but okay.

It's like a holding. It's because it's for the whole West Coast. It's one of those things.

Uh.

But the the reason he uses that photo is because he's talking about, you know, I talked about how they clear out these neighborhoods and replace it with stuff designed to attract white people back from the suburbs. Architecturally, that takes the form of killing the street. So you get

So there's another reason.

And this is why, like I think, maybe like it's my I care about it also because it's very bad design, and it's bad for like your brain, and it's bad for living. It's obviously bad for the environment. I haven't even mentioned that it's obviously very bad for the environment. This way that we have, We used racism to leverage and create this way of living that is wildly inefficient for anyone but developers and car companies.

It's it's honestly because it's a cancerous mindset, right, like if we just keep expanding and developing and spanding, developing, like you know, there's no limit, and it's like, well, there is a limit, and then you have someone liking on Musk who's like, well, my goal is to take this money and go to Mars and create a new world on Mars. It's like, we can't breathe. Yeah, we can't breathe on Mars. Are you going to build an atmosphere?

Like that's why. Yeah, I know, it's terrifying. It's like growing up, you know, I'm a boy.

So like video games, you know, sci fi, like Halo whatever, it's just in the future. Also in that series, space travel is run I mean, the UN's not good, I know that, but it is public. But so like Space is run by like a public entity that's at least for good. And then in the other there's like Aliens, which that's all privatized and everything is like dark and dank, and unfortunately that's what we're getting, I guess.

So fuck.

I mean, have you ever watched the Expanse?

Uh?

Yeah, I didn't finish it. I got to where they opened the portal. It was really good. Though, should I finish it?

You should? Yeah, you should had me in a choke hold for I luckily waited to watch it until it was finished, so I binged it for a good three weeks. I lost a lot of my life to the expianense, but it was worth every second.

Nice. Yeah, I mean that's like, that'll start galactical.

I was about to say, I'm about to do a rewatch. I'm literally about to do a rewatch about it. So I like to get because i feel like I have a new consciousness and I'm like, am I a Cylon?

Maybe it gets a little off the rails, but in interesting ways.

Yeah, you get to season four. Once Silon started being like what you mean, I'm a Cylon? That's what you're saying.

It's like, what's going on?

And once once that guy starts his own religion, it's like, wait, weren't you a scientist?

I don't understand.

And then they and then they like do Adam and Eve all over again. But it's fine.

It's fine. I'm watching a chair company right now. Everyone should watch that.

It's sod.

I was gonna say, do I need to stick to that?

Oh? I really? I loved Tim Robinson I adore him, didn't.

Have any idea where we were going. But I also did that with severance and deeply regretted this because then Severn turned out to be amazing. So I was saying in episodes of The Chair Company, where you feel like.

Oh definitely, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I agree, I would say keep watching excited. But back to solutions, by the way, So yeah, we just we can take out these highways and unfortunately, you know the that's not going to bring back the community and in some cases taking out the highway could lead to gentrification.

So right, because then it becomes well, now that we don't have these highways, we need the rich class to have easier access to the to the city, so we bring them back. Yeah.

Well, and you think about where where the highways they're taking out are again, it's the ones like right around downtown. So that's super valid. Right now, there's a discussion. Yeah, so in various cities there's been a discussion. You know, highways were the Interstate in particular, so the Interstate was built starting in the sixties. A lot of the main major structures have sort of reached the end of their

But it is subsidized housing. So it's the best we can do.

I mean, I try to be realistic within within the current fond confines. But uh so that's that's there's like removal is one option. This was a very underused highway. But then there's capping. So that's sort of what they did in Boston where they took an elevated highway and put it underground. Uh yeah, with the big dig That's not always a great option because there are still a ton Yeah, because there's always there are still a ton of cars and there still can be.

Pollution, like in the soil oh yeah, Oh well, yeah, there's.

That water, the water table, all that stuff.

And it's also if you're digging a tunnel in the middle of a city, it should be for it should be for a subway, probably not for a enough for a highway. Just in terms of efficiency. Uh, it's sauce with it.

You know what, We'll do this for five hours.

You have a graphic. I do have a graphic showing the exhaust.

It's the It was one of the first I sent it to the noise pollution and asthma rates in the Bronx, but you see it in the South Bronx, which is totally surrounded by highways.

Sorry, she's got the soulth Bronx, which is totally surrounded by highways.

It has every census tract in the South Bronx is in the ninety ninth percentile for asthma rates.

That's how I just want this keep going.

Yeah, because basically I realized that like if I just like move my cursor too fast and left, it just like kicks me out. And I don't know why it's doing that, and I don't know whose idea that was, but I'm going to have to write a very strong letter strongly worded email to stream Yard because that is not helpful. Let me see if I can find these asthma rates. While you're talking.

Not a big deal of the camp, but.

Capping advocates, there's you know, the people who live next to these highways obviously know that this there's negative effects, and then in a lot of cases, their parents were devastated by their neighborhoods being destroyed. So there's definitely a lot of advocate advocacy, is what I'm trying to say.

You know, in the Bronx we're working on.

I've been in contact with the group there Loving the Bronx, who's led by Nilkam Martel, who we all want to run for city.

Council or something but she doesn't want to.

But she's basically single handedly pushed forward this project to cap over I ninety five the Cross Bronx Expressway, and it's it's gonna it's like a decade long project, but we're like five years into it, so it's moving. It's a massive project because it's like a seven mile long highway and.

It's it's not any highway, it's I ninety five in New York.

But it's moving forward, capping over it, going to build a bunch of parks, you know. The ideal would be to remove it and reconnect the neighborhood and then re route I ninety five around New York. But then suddenly

I mean, I think this is also one of the things that is not considered in when we think about like socialist politicians being in position or socialist governance being in position, like this idea of rethinking how cities exist even and I don't I just don't think many of us think about the road Like I don't really feel like I have been doing enough thinking about the way

Exactly so that on the top one so and the top one you can see the noise pollution.

And that map's right onto the highways where.

Those purple where those big thick purple lines are, that's as loud as a jackhammer. So that's incredibly loud, and there's tens of thousands of people that live in that noise shit they have to just they just can't open their windows, you know, and when they do, there's soot and it's it's it's not just because it's not just CO two I mentioned, it's like crap from the tires and the brake pads. Yeah, and that's the Bronx. So that's like one of the densest places in the United States.

So a lot of that's just through traffic. That's a different point. But what we're trying to do is.

Basically building up Cross Bronx.

Yeah, but so what we're trying to do is basically build a cap over it. So sort of a big dig for the Bronx, but hopefully not as delayed.

So build a cap to run the highway, to run the Cross Bronx underground, you know, the Crosspronx Lincoln Tunnel tie Vibe.

Yeah, but the Cross Bronx basically is underground. It's just in a trench with no top.

Yeah, because.

We're just talking about building a top over the which is something that's really common here in the Netland. That's actually one of the reasons I'm here in the Netherlands. So this is I'm involved in this project through work the Cross Bronx and my PhD is is basically looking at the impact of capping on social and environmental metrics around the cap. So they've done it quite a lot here, so I'm looking to see did it work. Basically, did it reduce pollution, did it improve mobility?

Did it did it gentrify. I'm trying to see yes or no.

It's a bit different the context here, but a lot of the tools we can still use.

Uh. And the answer is it's mixed. It depends how you do it. But that's what I'm That's what I'm trying to study and figure out.

Is how far into the PhD are you two.

And a half years?

Oh you got tam.

Uh, I should be done in about a year because I have a lot of pre exist. I have a lot of pre existing work, you know, and then we'll see. Maybe I'll stay here.

I might. I'm probably gonna go back to New York, but we'll see, Uh here, what's up?

Don't come back here?

Well yeah, but I should.

I feel like a phony talking about everything I'm talking about being over here.

But that's.

What we have learned, y'all, is that Adam is about authenticity.

Well there there, but there is a lot we can learn from here.

And I don't I don't mean like necessarily in terms of like Amsterdam, but just the city that I'm in now, Rotterdam was totally destroyed and world So first of all, incredibly diversity. It's only about fifty percent Dutch. The rest is yeah, the rest is immigrants, so it's mostly people from Dutch colonies, Dutch colonial legacy, so it's Indonesians, it's Serenames, Kurasaw, and then there's a lot of Turkish folks that's not a colony.

But so it's incredibly diverse here.

It's the biggest port in Europe, so it also has like a history of diversity like New York, you know, big port city. Rotterdam rules, but it was unfortunately destroyed in World War two and so totally flattened and then rebuilt with American money and rebuilt the Marshall Plan. Rotterdam got the most of any city in the Marshall Plan, and we designed it.

You know, it wasn't totally on us. The Dutch.

We're happy to do modernism too, but we we redesigned Rotterdam from the beautiful like Amsterdam like medieval city to a modernist American thing, you know. And and just like the American city before we destroyed it for highways and and and urban renewal, rich people and poor people lived close together, you know, immigrants and and natives lived close together.

But so they they have a very unique way of urban planning.

It's very specific and tactical and like about about efficiency. So then the Americans come in with this ridiculous spread out way of living that is based on racism in our way back in where we live. Other countries adopted happily South South Africa, Belfast.

In Northern Ireland.

But the Dutch there there are plenty of racists. Don't worry. But they oh, yes, we.

Know about smart smart.

Yeah.

Oh they're they're incredibly racist and they're they're they're big racist dufaces in a lot of ways.

But when it comes urban planning, that's important to them.

So they in the seventies they had a moment of like urbanism that we're sort of having in American cities now, recognizing that you know, car culture is exclusive, is damaging.

Blah blah blah. So they had that in the seventies and they have since fixed Rotterdam. And Rotterdam is a city with bones just like America, because it was rebuilt in the image of America where we're going with this, But they fixed it.

So we can learn a lot from Rotterdam. Amsterdam is beautiful, but it's medieval. We're not going to do that. But Rotterdam has big, old wide boulevards and highways. But now we have beautiful wide boulevards with bike lanes and trams.

I see what you're saying about this. Okay, you're saying that you went to the place that is ahead of where we could be. Yeah, that's ahead of where we are as a model.

For where we can become urban planning wise, you're checking out?

Is it legit? I mean what? I think it's really important work because it also allows you to see, well, where are the ways it doesn't solve, and where is the way that it does, and how do we solve for the things that it doesn't solve? You know, which is you know, so much of America is anti intellectual, so it doesn't do that work. It just like bullies its way through things versus like well wait, wait, wait, somewhere else did it? And I know they're not American, but they may have good ideas.

Yeah, no, there's it's that's American exceptionalism, right, it's we think where they And there's New York exceptionalism too, right, like we can't we can't learn from other places.

Especially when it comes to like the subway.

It's very frustrating, like there's we can't adopt best practices because you know, we're the subway. We of course we know how to do it. But yeah, no, I mean, and and you do see the shortcomings. Absolutely, taxes are really really really no I'm serious, Oh my god, And uh do you but.

Do you but do you feel your taxes in your lifestyle?

Yes, exactly, Yes, the trains work, the streets are clean, fair, but it's funny, yeah, basic things. I mean, I actually think that the Netherlands itself could learn a lot from Rotterdam because the rest of the Netherlands they say Rotterdam like how Americans say Detroit or Chicago, like yeah, it's racialized, yeah, oh absolutely, yeah yeah yeah, but but it's a beautiful place here.

And well, let's let's answer a question before you go, because I see someone just throw one out. Sight Williams says, question, does the way the grid of the infrastructure affect the flow of energy in our communities and or frequencies that affect our way of life. I mean, it's like the function way of it all. Yeah, but you were seeing that it affects the environment, so yeah.

Well the grid. I really do want to answer that question. I always do this.

I just want to say, just to put a bow on the capping and the removal.

Thing that is great.

For making a better city, that is and making and it's better for the environment, it's not necessarily always the right thing for the community that we're trying to help because of this issue of gentrification.

So it's just me.

I consider myself like an urbanist, like I do want to improve cities, but we the way to do that isn't always just more big infrastructure projects. Basically, I'm trying to endorse community land trusts give some ownership back to the community. A community land trust is like it's a you know, a nonprofit corporation, uh, where the community basically just owns a bunch of land and gets to decide what they want to do with it.

I mean, I mean, if it were if I mean it is essentially a socialist construct.

Do I consider myself a democratic socialist? Yes? Is that is a CLT socialist? I don't know, because it's like ideal.

It's within a capitalists yeah right, it's within yeah.

Well, and I think as a democratic socialist, by the way, I think that cap You know, you can have a beautiful bubble of capitalism within the guardrails and the bubble within the guardrails of democratic socialism, and then you compete on things like, uh, quality of service.

Sorry, I'm thinking about example, like in Europe.

It's not perfect here, but like the state owns the rails, uh, and then the operators, So there's a government operator, but then there's some private operators that then have to compete based on service, not based on something like the rails, which any private operator. No one can build that because it's too big. Like an example would be in the US, like if the government owned the cell towers, which is

So I think it does, but.

It's not true. Like at the end of the day, it exists for now, but there all they need is incentive to which is what these capitalists are trying to do, right, is to remove the incentive of even having this type of bubble and just making it all privatized in general. I mean, I'm warm a parent in my sentiments that wherever capitalism lives, there's always going to be the there's always going to be the possibility and the incentive for capitalism to grow, because that's all it does. I mean,

Well wait, okay, well now I think they we're just getting into semantics because.

Democratic socialists are still they still hold a piece of capitalism in their eye, in their mind's eye.

Well, Okay, So I guess I was saying that competition isn't inherently a bad thing in terms of providing services, and.

I would say that wherever competition exists.

Where in terms of the quality of services, know that the provision needs to be guaranteed. But there's there's like.

Different versions of socialism that we've seen right where it's like there's portions of Richard Wolf did a really good podcast about this recently, where there's like portions of land ownership and service ownership that like you're talking about, where it's like the government owned some of it, but then there's privatization, et cetera, et cetera. But then it ends up at a certain point becoming who's gonna it? Always capitalism always requires there to be Okay, you're not letting

Ye, fair enough, and let's not We can keep talking about that later. That's always a fun topic. But can can we bring the press the question back? Just because I did want to talk about the grid because it is kind of interesting.

I lost the question, but the question was how does the grid affect like the the flow of energies of people in a city, Like I mean, it was kind of like a fengshueish kind of concept, right like.

Yeah, yeah, but the grid, I from a city planning perspective is American cities are really there, you go, are really grid e you know, we we love a grid, and I actually think that that's kind of cool.

The grid.

Yeah, it's very democratic, like small d democratic because unlike the European cities where there's like the center of authority, which is normally a church. Uh so there's the church and then everything kind of emanates around from that and it's kind of radial.

The American city is all.

About the grid, is all about the grid where there's no necessarily there's no point that's necessarily prized, and there's equal access to everything. So I like it grid, and that's why that's one of the things that's like tragic in the highways is that they just.

Disrupt the city grid. They absolutely a limit.

They get rid of that logic because the grid is all about like on the ground connectivity, not vehicular connectivity.

So and the highways just up end that and they destroy it and.

They inscribe an economic logic, which is, you know, prioritizing suburban access to the core. So the grid, I wish it would make it that. I wish it would make it comeback in places where it's been disrupted. And you know, gridlock is something that is a product of cars, not.

People agreed, because like Grenada, which is a very small island, you see like more cars than there is like land. It's all that it starts to feel like that. Well then there are roads, right, So there's this gridlock for the sake of gridlock. Because the other part of this I can say this because I'm Caribbean, is that folks typically want cars so that they can get up and go, so they have control, so they can dominate, like when they arrive somewhere. But what's sitting people? We're not on time,

We done had a whole.

Spiritual session about morals and ethics. We then talked about everywhere from Rotterdam to Detroit, which is a journey I did not know we were going to go on. But I can assure you that everyone here is leaving today with so much more than they came with, thanks to you sharing your knowledge and the work that you continue to do.

So thank you, Adam, Thank you so much.

You know, if you want to carry on the conversation, because there's some points that I I always do that you know.

I was like I should have said, we'll definitely invite you back. So make a list, make a list of the points that you feel like you need to add.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, next time, I'll be a little more. I'll send them in order. But if folks, can I do my can I do my plug?

Please?

Just so?

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Check it out segregation segregation under greg gaish.

It's kind of funny.

One of the terms for like the type of highway that the interstate is like limited access is a segregated highways.

I mean they put it in the name.

No, I know exactly when you think there's so many spatial terms that are like explicitly racialized, like inner city, other side of the tracks, I won't keep going.

It's facts. And so once you start, when you started learning language of the United States, you're like, oh, all of this is racist.

Oh my gosh.

And I learned that.

The ice cream Truck song is racist. I was like, I give a I'm out.

And really racist.

It's like that one super duper yeah.

Yeah.

Well, enjoy your evening in Rotterdam, and thank you again for joining us.

Thank you, there's so much fun.

Wow, you guys, we learned so much. We learned so much we don't even have time for a critical thinking exercise. But we are going to get into some black news before we get out of here, because I really have some stories that I want to talk to you about. So I don't know if you guys have been seeing these stories of the black women maternal mortality in your face.

Here's another Baty's Wells, who tells us she felt she was stripped of her dignity and treated like an animals. She says, after spending six hours at Franciscan Health Crown Point Hospital, even when her contractions were a minute apart, she was still escorted out by security. Now, the mom of four says the nurse who saw her believed that she was not in labor, and in the six hours of being in labor, she says she never saw an actual doctor.

Well.

She says the nurse told her to go home. Her husband, Leon Wells, who was with her at the time, asked for a wheelchair, and they were both escorted out.

Just eight minutes later.

Mister Wells says.

He saw his daughters had come out while he was driving, pulled over the car and delivered the baby himself. And I will add that mister Wells says he does not have any kind of medical experience, and they both say they believe they were mistreated because of the race, and the lives of mom and baby were put at risk.

I was in excruciating pain. She's seen me in pain and agony, and I guess she still perceived me to not be in labor because upon returning to the room, she's like, well, if you're not further along in your centimeters, then you know, we gotta sing you home. So I said, I know I can't go home. I can't have this baby at home.

Holy God's grace. I was scared. I ain't know what to do.

I don't have any medical license anything to deliver a baby.

I was just scared and know what to do.

Now.

Franciscan Health Crown Point responding morning in part with a statement saying, the video and the comments that has generated are deeply troubling and we understand the concern this has raised. The video is just one part of the information we are reviewing as part of a thorough investigation into this alleged incident. Now we're told that baby Elena, who was just born, is doing well.

Very healthy.

But I did ask the family what does accountability look like in this case, and they said they want a meeting with hospital administrators. They want the nurse who saw wells fired, and they want protocol put in place so that anyone who comes there and is in labor does see an actual doctor. They tell me they have not heard from hospital administrators yet.

Back to you, guys, So this is violence, Like, this is not just oh, I'm neglectful in my job. This is actual violence and negligence. And this should not just be losing someone's job. This should be losing your license. The literal point of being a nurse is that you

Scene age where humanity has been such a destructive force on the planet. Its climate is decided by our actions, and the species is decided by action. The state of water is decided by our action, the fertility of sorts is decided by action. We can carry on there and then we don't exist, or we can change it to the creative anthroposcene energized by a feminine energy, the energy of non western spiritual civilizations, the energy of indigenous people,

We are not owners, conquerors, or dominators of the earth. We are part of the earth. When you start thinking like that, you change how you exist. And it is hard work to do because we are not, particularly in the United States, we are not grown up in that mind state within our surroundings. You know, some maybe in their immediate surroundings, but the actual infrastructure that we exist in as it is, it isn't.

So.

To those women and to all of you all who have experienced birth trauma, I really hate that for you, and I know that it stays with you, and I hope that you had partners who were there or people who were there to support you through that and to the other side of it as well. And to all of our midwives and doulahs who are out here doing this work, I hope that you too are also bringing in the spirituality element, the morality element, the ethical element.

I would like to provide a toast to Van Jones, a man who started out as a racial justice advocate and.

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A stooge for corporate media, that a shell for the Israeli governments making fun of dead guys and babies. If you are a young person, you open up your phone and all you see is dead guys of baby, dead gods of baby. Dead guy's baby.

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See yeah, see yeah. I just want to make sure to remind you all that for every I'll save it from my PSA. But shout out to Davidson, a real one. Okay, let's get into this PSA, y'all, am p S.

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One of the main things that we discussed today was the presence of indigenoity as a source for not only knowledge for not only upliftment of the earth and challenging of climate change, but also as a source of resistance and when we are seeing the indigenous people of Brasil, the indigenous people of Ecuador, of Peru, of Nepal, Burkina, Fasso, Niger, Molly rising up and saying we have had enough. This is not just waiting for land back. This is taking

The work.

That nobody every day. Shout out to our field squad. You know it's going to be joining us after the show. Can get it in on our after the show. Yet now be asked at the beginning of the shows, We're gonna ask you again, what are you you're gonna do this? Thank you on that day. Thank you. That's our bonus question. Thank you, that's our bonus question of the week. So thank you all for coming back. I know that I was missing for the past two weeks, and you're probably like,

They want to stand in the way of every move forward. The only way you can think about your people struggle is when you are involved in people struggle.

So we're going to have to change how we relate to each other as human beings.

Out there unity.

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