Back to Basics with Sam Frost

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Welcome back to another episode of Slow It Down.

I am your host, PJ Harding, and this podcast is all around how we can find peace in the chaos. Chaos is not going anywhere, I've learned that much. So it's about finding ways that we can stay sane and ground it in this wild world that we're living in. And every week I've got a new guest who comes on to share parts of their life and things that

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But then Sam went on to start in the first season of The Bachelorette Australia. She then went on to do radio starring Home in a Way. She has become a vocal mental health advocate and written her own book called Believe by Sam Frost, and she this is the coolest Thing. Most recently has gone around Australia and a caravan with her partner and their one year old Ted and they've filmed their travels, which we documented at a new TV show, which I think is living the dream.

I really enjoyed.

Sitting down with Sam and having a chat and we do cover a range of issues from cancel culture to bringant see to the surprises of motherhood, and we talk about her.

Own mental health struggles.

So a reminder if you're in ensis one seven three seven is a free service for Kiwi's feeling down, anxious, a bit overwhelmed, or if you just need to chat someone, you can call or text anytime for free. Twenty four seven. Let's get into the chat. I am very excited for our guest on the show today. Now I don't want to make this about me, but we actually have a few things in common. I'm finding you have a gorgeous young son called Teddy ted Titty.

Yeah, ted Teddy whatever, and.

Now you're expecting baby double two.

I am congratulations, thank.

You so much. I'm really excited. Yeah. So the little ones due in March next year. So I'm past halfway. Marcus, I'm statid, which.

Are you so? How many how many weeks?

You know?

You know what? I can't really like twenty twenty two or twenty.

Three I'm twenty tomorrow.

You are.

Yeah, Oh it's horrible, arendous?

Oh my god, I'm so sorry. How long did it take me to get okay again?

It was probably maybe like probably zoo teen sixteen weeks, But then still I've definitely been more nauseous this time around.

Yeah, you know, it's so funny.

I was exactly the same, And I've got girlfriends that are now having their second and saying the same thing, like everyone's just feeling really nauseous and vomity.

I don't know if it's because we just don't get a break.

It's time round.

So the body's like, hey, then, like, can you look after me?

I'm just going to turn my back on you.

Honestly, it's wild.

I was like a couch potato, like literally stuck on a couch for like two months.

It was awful.

Oh and so what were you doing during that time? Have you been, because obviously you've been filming this epic caravan trip with your partner and your one year old or two year old.

Yeah, so he's, oh my gosh, I'm so bad. Like months, he's like one and a half almost two.

It's funny when you like get beyond the months because you like call them eleven months in twelve and thirteen.

Then you just lose track.

Oh I don't know, and I don't have the brain capacity to do quick math and figure out what months it is. And I'm like, I don't know, Like his birthdays in March, you figure it out.

So how did it fall into place with everything you're doing at the moment? Like what was life looking like for you when you felt pregnant for the second time?

Oh? Do you know what?

It was so funny because we were actually caravanning.

He's a little caravan baby, this one, because the caravan through.

Western Australia, and it was the first time. Have you got another little baby?

I do?

I do?

Yeah, okay, yeah yeah, just just the one.

Yeah, I've got a two year old called Charlie.

Yeah.

Great, so you'll get it. So I was like, it took me a really long time to start feeling like myself again after my first and you know, because your body is changing, you're tired, my son hates sleeping.

So it was actually the first time I was like feeling good.

I was like, my body was getting back, I was vibing again.

I was having some cocktails and I.

Was like, this is great, like, hallo, Sam, I've missed you so much anyway, and then.

We got a little bit too excited. Oh my god, two is on the way.

So I love it lot.

It's such a good feeling when you start kind of remembering what it was like to feel kind of normal once you come out of that postpartum haze.

Right, yeah it is.

And now that like we've gone like back to back, I just I can't remember those two weeks of feeling good and and I'm like, it's been a long time. It's been years since I've felt like myself. I said to my partner. I was like, no one misses me more than me. Yeah, yes, because like I'm sure he doesn't say anything, but I'm sure there's moments where he's like, oh, like, well he actually does say. I guess all you do is sleep like I'm died.

I'm really tired.

Anyway, It's yeah, it is a lot, Are you quite?

Like I don't know what it's been the last couple of days. I've just been so angry.

It is stupid the stuff, And I'm like, I have to keep telling myself, this is the hormones, it's not you you're not that much of a badge.

Yeah, I know.

Sometimes I don't know anymore, you know what I mean, Like it's all like merged into one. I'm like, I can't blame my hormones anyone, I'm not sure, but yeah, I've been foul, like just so grumpy. And we did another trip in our caravan just recently, just going up North Queensland and Australia, and I had to say to George.

I was just like, I'm so sorry. I was just being a grumpy Yeah, Like I was so grumpy. I was just like uncomfortable and.

You wake up from it and then you're like, oh and you don't really remember what you were like yeah.

Yeah, seriously, honestly, it's really crazy, but yeah I did. Actually I had to apologize. I was like, I know, I'm being a grumpy and I am anyway, and like I'm my face is puffy and I'm tired.

Yeah you still do you reckon? You're selling the sweet spot like a nets you can try or are you starting to get to the other end.

There's like that sweet spot in the middle, right you know what.

I had that in the first and I'm still waiting for the sweet spot. I'm like, is it coming? You know, but I always have to I'm always like saying to myself. I said, actually, a girlfriend of mine said to me, because I'm always like, I'm so grateful, I'm so grateful, I'm so grateful. Because I am so grateful, I'm not huge. And my girlfriend said to me, you know, you don't have to say grateful all the time. You can just say you hate it.

Okay, that is really fucking hard.

Okay hard, but yeah, so anyway, it's yeah, it's a journey.

I loved hearing the very real fears that you had going into motherhood for the first time. I think that's so relatable. I remember writing down all of these things that I just thought I was inadequately equipped, like all of the reasons why I was inadequately Oh my god, why can I not say that inadequately equipment to be a mom? And I was like, oh my god, I can barely look after myself, like I get anxious. Is

Those moments. But yeah, I think the fears beforehand.

You know, I've had like years and years battling depression and anxiety, and I.

Was really nervous that I was.

I was worried I was going to have personal depression because I felt like it's in my family, and I just wanted to make sure that I could be the best mother. I didn't want to you know, I've had to work through a lot of things. I've through psychologists and all sorts of things for you basically since I was a late teenager because of things that I've gone through in my childhood, and I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to project any of that

Do you know what I mean? So I think that was a real fear for me.

And then I went to see a psychologist when I found out I was pregnant, a new one because I'd moved up the coast, and I found this really amazing moment she was so fantastic, and I saw her regularly from about a second try to after Ted was born, and she was amazing at just alleviating fears and helping me.

With tools of what to do when I'm feeling low.

She's like, she goes, because when you have that baby, then all of a sudden, all these hormones are happening, and you.

Know, so like trying to trying to be.

The best mum already when you don't have these issues is hard enough, let alone if you do have a history with mental illness. So anyway, but she just reassured me, and she was amazing. So I'm so glad that I did that. And then the reality is I loved being like I love being a mum, and I was like as soon as Ted was born, I was just like I was vibing it. I love newborn stage. And you know,

I'm at the moment.

It's so refreshing to hear and I've heard you speak about this before about motherhood and such a positive light. It's so nice to hear the beautiful reality of the amazing, magical time it is as well. And it's almost like mums have shame in that, you know, if they have a positive experience, whether it's the birth or whether it's the pregnancy, you just kind of want to keep it quiet because you don't want to make others around you feel shit.

About themselves, right, But it shouldn't have to be that.

Way, And if you have a good experience, I think it's equally important to share it.

Yeah, I think so too, And I've thoroughly enjoyed being a mum. Like I think that I feel like my life is actually started now that I have a child, and I think about what I was doing beforehand, and I was like, what was I even doing?

I just you know, just I felt like I was just like floating around And that's just that's just my personal experience, you know.

I have so many friends that aren't having children, that can't have children.

So this is just my personal experience and I'm just sharing that.

And I know some people are completely different, but yeah, I just really felt I just feel like I have purpose now and it just is so.

Fulfilling to be a mother, you know. Yeah, And I love it.

Like he's like he's like the funny funny and I get to hang out with like this really small, funny human all the time.

The more they talk, Oh my god, it's just so good.

I know, it's amazing.

Yeah, when you were seeing the psychologists and she sort of went through, you know, some tips and tracks and techniques that you could use. Can you share some of those things that do help you in those times when you feeling really low and you're feeling really lost.

Yeah, well, a lot of the things that she was talking to me about was because the main issue that I had during those during my pregnancy, the thing that was weighing on me the most is I wanted to make sure my child has a secure attachment to me because I have had a I can't remember what it's called now that I'm a.

Would have probably come to me, I don't have a healthy.

One and secure attachment or I know the word, I know what you made think, Yeah.

I just can't think of it either.

Yeah either. Anyway, our brain's art working. That doesn't matter, you know brains. Yeah, so yeah, So anyway, that was the biggest thing.

And she told me, she goes, do you know you only have to get it right thirty percent of the time to have a secure attachment to your child. She's that's it, And she's like, and the biggest thing is the repair stage of the cycle.

So you know, you you might. She was, You're gonna have.

Days where you raise your voice. You're gonna have days that you're not your best. You're gonna have days where you behave the way that you don't want to behave.

And she's like, because you're tired, your.

Hormonier, you've got a lot of things going on, you've got stresses everywhere. She goes, he's perfectly normal to break, to not be your perfect self, to not be the best mum all the time. And she goes, and that's fine, but it's how you recover from those moments that's.

What creates a secure attachment.

So saying apologizing to your child is what is so much more beneficial to the child than if you're this perfect mum all the time, do you know what I mean? So if you so I doled all the time, Like you know, I was really tired, and I you know, I you know.

Raise my voice at ted because he was just screaming at me and I was trying it.

I was on this important call and I was like, mate, I'm on the phone. And afterwards and like, I don't like doing that. Obviously that's the girl.

That's horrid, isn't it.

It's horrific.

And then afterwards, even though he's only one and a half, I'm you're saying to him, I sat him down, I gave him big cuddle, and I was just like, I'm really sorry, mate, I shouldn't have spoken to you like that. I was just stressed and I was on the phone and that's not okay, and I'm really sorry. And I gave him a cuddle. Even though he doesn't understand what

So it's it's owning your behavior because that first of all, you just say that makes me feel so much better because no mother is perfect. I don't think any mother is perfect, like at all of it that, but that is something I consciously try and do is just own up when I've stuffed up and saying that was mummy shouldn't have done that. I'm so sorry, mummy's tired. She

Yes, absolutely, And she said to me, that's the most important thing. That's that's far more important than anything else. And yeah, She's like, you know, if you're if you're a good mon thirty percent of the time and you're getting it right, then that's going to create a secure attachment.

And I was just like, gee, that's not too bad.

So when I talk to my friends and family about it, I was like, mate, thirty percent of the time, don't.

Be so hard on yourself.

Yeah, it's a good one.

It's a really good one.

What about like tools that you use too, I mean not from the psychologist, but things that have worked for you over the years.

When you are in a really.

Tough space mentally and you just need to break free in a way, like you just you're in a rut and you just want to reset.

What do you do?

Then?

The first thing I would do is get rid of my phone.

I think phones are so problematic in terms of when you're in that spirally head headspace and you're like feeling anxious and you're feeling down. I don't think it's I don't I don't think social media is good for your mental health at all. I think that turning your phone off and going outside and breathing and trying to ground yourself, like going for a walk, going for a drive, doing something that sort of takes.

You out of your head.

Because a lot of the time, you know, people recommend going for walks when you're feeling really anxious, but sometimes you don't have that energy because you're you know, depending on where you're at with your mental health, you know, you might not have energy to go for a walk. So I would say to people, leave your phone at home, go for a drive and you know, either listen to nothing or listen to music. And I always find that that helps.

Me sort of like shift through my brain and ground me.

I think that's a really easy way. You know, when I'm when I can feel like a panic attack coming on, I'll lay on the ground. And fortunately I haven't had this for a while, but I will lay on the ground and do breathing exercises and just count and breathe in.

Deeply and breathe out.

And all I'm doing is telling my body that I'm actually safe and everything's okay.

And it's just helped to regulate your.

Body to calm itself and to realize you're actually safe instead of flicking into that flight.

Or flight mode.

So there are two things that I find really easy and things that you actually do because there's so many tips out there, Like you look online and you're like.

I'm not doing that.

I'm not doing that, like you know, especially when you're in that teeth excuse me, Yeah, when you're in that anxious headspace, you're not going to be I can't even remember what they are anymore, but I remember reading them going, no.

One's doing that.

Just keep it well, keep it simple.

Lay on the ground and breathe, or go in the car and drive and do not take your phone.

That's what I think is really helpful.

And getting out of nature of course, like you know, going sitting outside, you know, and I just think, you know, I think that's really beneficial for me.

When you were in your peak fame of reality TV and then Home and Away and you know, you were in the media a lot, did you do those things or do you reckon your head unhealthy habits because you didn't.

Know, well, I definitely had unhealthy habits, you know that, like going on my phone and.

And you know, certainly in my twenties, I used.

To you know, you would get anxious and you' if I was in a relationship, you know, you'd feel anxious about something, and then you're banging out heaps of texts and you know, like you're like, put the fine down. You were not going to solve anything in a text message. That is what I would tell my younger self because.

Now in the amount of times you're.

Do you know what though, when you get those rage ticks that need to come out, you actually just need them to come out, but they don't need to be sent. They just need to be written in your notes and then deleted.

Yeah, exactly, exactly, go for a walkout side and have to think about it.

Yeah, but yeah, you know, and like just obsessively checking social media like all those things. I think I definitely did when I was younger, and it was more the.

You know, the anxiety that comes with.

And I guess that's like being in a public as being a public figure as well, is because people do often write horrible things about you and comment horrible things.

So the fear was validated.

You know, because I'm like, well, every time I do check it, so one has something horrible.

So why do you do it to yourself?

Though?

Why do we do it to ourselves.

Because we're dumb.

Yeah, And so.

That's that's why I just think.

And it's really funny because now I have such a different relationship with social media. I have such a different relationship with that sort of with technology in my phone and stuff, because I just, you know, it's so irrelevant to my life, and yeah, looking back on how I used to be, I'm just like, you know, if you just turn your phone off or delete the app, it just goes away, like it actually doesn't exist.

It's not here, it's not real.

What's real is your family, is your friends, is what's in front of you. And the tiny computer that's in your head actually isn't the real world. You know.

I am fascinated to know the true harm that it's actually doing to us, Like, oh, there is no good. I mean there are some good things that come from it. That there's so many harmful things that are coming from that little device.

So many harmful things. It's wild.

And then you even think about how your algorithms designed.

It's designed to cause outrage.

It knows what your beliefs are, and it will deliberately trigger things in you. It's deliberately triggering things in you so.

You stay on the app for longer.

So they're deliberately making something, designing something to inflict anxiety on you, to make you obsessed, to make you addicted, to bring.

Up all these emotions.

Because if you're outraged, I've read this study, if you're outraged, you're more likely to stay on social media than if you're in a happy headspace.

So that's so stup.

So it is, and like you know, and it's so wild to me that and I see and because I'll go on every now and again, and then I see people.

Just buy it up, and you're like.

Go out, get off your phone. Life is actually beautiful if you look right out aside. But you're right, we're addicted to the next thing constantly, like jumping on having an opinion, all right, next thing. Literally a day will pass and there's a brand new thing that's like, but I thought you kid so much about that. No, No, there's a new thing to get expletly outraged and hateful and nasty about.

It's I think, Yeah, I was.

So.

I was on here in Melbourne pre COVID, and it was just it was really toxic. Not the people I was working with, but just we were going into a really toxic time and then COVID happened, And I know you went through a bloody tough time as you were literally just trying to have an open, honest conversation on your social media platform and then people went and on you, canceled you.

You were a victim of cancel culture.

Looking back, that must be pretty traumatic for you.

Yeah, you know, it was.

It's hard to believe that it was even it even happened. Like, I feel so removed from it now, you know, I just feel so at the time I was really affected by it, obviously, and but even now I still see people trying to have conversations on there.

And there is only one way you're allowed to think these days.

There's mainstream media tells you you have to think this way, and if you don't think that way, then you're in like everyone's entitled to pile up on you and have a goal at you.

And it's not it's not how a debate looks.

It's not it's not healthy in any way for there just to always be one perspective on everything and you're right just sort of go through issues. It does feel that way, and if you even just try, and you try your beasts to kind of articulate, you just feel like you're getting wrong. So then people just don't even engage. And I think people just kind of shut themselves out because you're just so worried that you're going to get canceled.

Yeah, I just think, you know, I just think it's it's wild and I'll have the thing is like, what am I best girlfriends? We have completely different points of view of life, political opinions.

I mean, I'm not too political anyway, but I'm curious. I find myself curious.

I'm like, like, even the whole Trump thing, right, I'm like, why did everyone vote for him?

So I was like listening to some of.

His podcasts and I was like trying to understand and it's and that's just my personality, Like I'm not the type of person that goes you think like.

That you're a bad person. Yeah, I don't talk to me, like tell me why you think that.

You know, I've got a friend that thinks it's fantastic Trump got in And I was like, that's really I find that really interesting because I don't know that opinion. I don't have that point of view.

But I'm not going to cancel you as a friend because I think that because the reason that your opinion is like there is because of the experiences that you've had that have shaped you through your life. And that doesn't make you right or wrong for the way that you see it. It's so frustrating, isn't it?

And isn't it interesting to have different points of view? Is it interesting to have a different.

Conversation like I find And she raised some really valid points and I was just like that's really interesting, and I like having these conversations and I like immersing myself with interesting people that have different beliefs because or else, if you were just living in an echo chamber of what you think, you're never going to open your mind up, You're never going to see things differently, You're never gonna learn or grow because you're just like, I'm right, my

Four years two late.

Guys like I'm trying to talk about this, and no one wanted to have the conversation, and now people going actually giving me something you were saying was like, you know, maybe then everyone's mental health was really affected during that time. O chay, that's interesting. You know, it's just it's just crazy. So you just I just yeah, it was a really wild.

Was it a hard time to sort of wigde you through your way through the industry after that, having all these labels put on you called Eddie Vick's, I know you're immunize you even got the jabs in the inns, you know, have you found it really hard to shake that?

I don't know.

I don't I don't pay enough attention to it, to be honest. I still work, like I still work, I still do things. I just don't consume it anymore. And I just think, yeah, I mean, it's just not real. And if and people love chucking a label on people love like generals love writing hectic articles, heavily criticisized articles.

They love writing baby.

Headlines, and you're like, you guys have to live with yourself doing that, like you know, and that's.

Actually not real. And the people who know me, all my friends and my family know me so well, and they know that that is not what I'm like.

I'm actually just a curious person that likes having conversations about difficult things and interesting things that you know.

Now, like four years later, I can say.

I can say that I feel really peaceful about everything that happened, but at the time I wasn't at all obviously, But yeah, I just think you don't actually know me. And if you're going to check those labels on me, go for it, because that's actually not true.

It must have been really interesting when you went into the reality TV world and then like prior to that, you'd never had that exposure and all of these people in the public telling you what they think of you. How hard was it to not believe everything that you read at the beginning?

Oh yeah, I mean it was, well, it was interesting because I even felt like that during that as well.

It was really it was one of the most shocking things I think I've ever experienced, is real is and because like my season of The Bachelor blew up into this media frenzy.

And so that was really bizarre to me.

And I remember just going to my sister's house and just laying We're just being like, these people think that they know me, but they don't. So it's been like a consistent feeling throughout my career. But yeah, it was really shocking. I kind of feel like I was like, it's a different person, Like I just like I see the person that they think I am, and I'm like, that's not who I am, And so you're forming opinions on who you think is me.

And I found it hard if.

I would, like, you know, go out somewhere and people think that they know who you are or they get or One thing I always find is like, randomly, you know, friends or colleagues will say to me, oh I met so Russell Crow and he's jerk. You know.

I would just use that as an example. No one has actually said that, but that's just an example, right, And I'll be like, oh, do you actually know him?

Like he could have been having a bad day, he could have been had a lot of personal stresses, he could have been Like I hate when people will have a brief encounter with someone and label them like something you know, and I'm just like, you have no idea what was going on in that person's life.

So I get really defensive of that.

So anytime someone trust to badmount someone in the public eye, I'm always like, you don't actually know.

Them on you because someone is always fighting a better and you don't even know what's actually going on underneath. And like, yeah, someone will come and comment and they'll give you their two cents and then they can just pass off, But that's lived with you. They don't realize the impact that actually has on you.

Yeah, that's right.

So you meet your partner Jordie.

He seems like a real down to earth lad, Like do you reckon that has.

Kept you sane. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, Jordy's the best.

He's so down to earth, he's so funny, you know, he has you know, he's just an amazing person. He sees the world in an amazing way. And yeah, and we.

Have a really fun live together.

We travel around and he definitely keeps me saying I think, and my brothers keep me saying as well, like they and my sister, Like, I've got really close relationships with my siblings, and they always keep you grounded, like no matter what. So that's always an important thing. But I think, yeah, having your own family and having a partner that loves you so fiercely and passionately, Yeah, it just makes you feel more secure.

It makes you feel grounded, and it makes you just you know.

So I'll go out to Sydney and go do some busy work stuff and then I come home to my family, come home to Jordan and Ted and my sister down the road and my nieces, and you're.

Like, oh, this is so nice. This is exactly what it's about.

You know, my niece's soccer games on Saturday, Like you know, that's that's what's important. So all this other stuff is fun. I like being creative. I like I even like going to things. I like dressing up and seeing my makeup artists and having fun having a champagne with her, and you know, I like doing those things. But I also am very happy to come home to my family.

Yeah.

I don't know if that's what happens when you have a baby, because I find exactly the same thing. Nothing hits like getting home after going to this because we live roually here in New Zealand, and I might even be just gone for a day or two and I come back and I'm like, oh my god, I love I love this and I never want to leave this and the city's nice to visit, but just coming home

But there's something so beautiful about that.

It is, isn't it. It's like your warm safe space. Yeah, so I think that's nice. I think it's really good.

I think it's healthy to have that. And I think you'll like to have.

A successful career and no matter what field you're in, you know, you have to have a safe time to come home too, or else I think you might get a little bit.

Lost in it.

How are you feeling about maybe number two coming and making work? Heaven and the balance and the juggle? Is that all kind of come on your mind where you're like, I will just deal with it. Well, I get yeah.

It's funny. Well I actually feel sorry.

I feel a bit sorry for this baby because I haven't Like with Ted. I was just like, here's the signs bananana now, and this is what I'm like, I'm too busy.

Like do you forget you're pregnant some days?

Yeah?

Same?

You know it was even funny like my mother in laws here and she poured a glass of wine.

I was like, yes, oh wait pregnant.

I was like, I just keep forgetting for it. And I'm like, oh wait, I can't sorry about that. So yeah, I sort of keep forgetting unpregnant. But in terms of yeah, I mean, this one's an interesting one because I think when I had Ted, I knew that I wanted to have a second one. So I sort of was like dibbling a little bit of work, like doing a bit of radio, doing a bit of like this and that, and then and we traveled for it.

We've got to travel show here, so that was really fun.

But yeah, it's different with this second one because I know that this is probably the last one I want to have. And then so once we get him in a nice comfy age, I'm really excited to get back to work. Actually, I'm excited to be creative again and actually use my brain. So I think, you know, as much as i'm I think I've learned a lot during this period of time to be able to balance it properly hopefully anyway, to be able to go and do work, and then you know, my family can come with me.

Do you reckon you'll get into acting again?

I don't know. I mean, I hope so.

I love acting, but you know, the roles are so far and few between, you know, even for my girlfriends who are like auditioning constantly, going, going, going, going, Like you know, it's a bit of a habster wheel sometimes. So I like to be realistic. So I'm putting it out to the universe that I'm ready and willing to work. What that comes back to me with is I don't I don't know what that's going to be, and I've never known what that's going to be.

So I find that exciting.

I love that toe like following what feels good following you get into aition and it somehow just all works out. You're literally living the dream though filming a TV shot going round in a caravan like did you did you deliberately manifest that or did that just up?

It just happened, and this is what happens in life.

So we because Jordan and I love traveling and we were doing this huge ship around Australia and I was like posting that occasionally on social media and people were like, oh, man, like you should film it, and we didn't have the capacity to do that, so we just did a podcast. And then a production company who I'd worked with previously reached out to us and they're like, oh my gosh, like the podcast, we love it, we want to turn

But they wanted it to be like a fly in the wall.

Type show where it's just us cruising around. I think you know, YouTube makes like that's that version of filming has become quite popular anyway, So the production company is like, we love it, and then we just and ship off the footage Todam and they edit it together. And we're about to go on another trip for season two actually, and it's going to be a little bit different because I'm pregnant and grumpy, so.

Hey know that they'll give the heightened dramatic you know, says where you're the villain.

Last time it was last time it was like Bushwise and you know, and now.

It's just like this pregnant lady like anyway, but it'll be really fun.

That is loving the dream. I love it.

And do you see that kind of got like how comel would it be to go around the world and do like a full on travel show with two babies in total?

Imagine that.

Well, we always say that we're like, oh man, we should go, like because we always we'll just be seeing it home. We're like, we should go to Japan and we could film the travel show in Japan.

And so we always dream about it.

Who knows what's going to happen, hey, but yeah, that would be really fun. It would be quite chay to be two children and yeah, that would be.

For They call it world schooling.

I know, I know someone with two kids at the moment and they're going through Europe and they call it, I think it's world schooling or something like that, and it's like your classroom is around the world and then you just go through different countries. It's pretty It would be hectic and stressful, but like the memories you create that would.

Be so cool, you know. And so they're teaching, like educating their kids on the.

Road, is that what?

Yeah, well, I mean the kids are still like toddler, like they're not at school yet, but but you know, the world is their classroom in the sense that they kind of learn culturally through all these different countries and pretty evac pretty cool.

That's really fun.

But you even see like every time we do a trip, Ted comes back and he's so like he loves being outside, he loves people.

He's just a really curious cat.

So I think that it helps him massively because he just, you know, and we'll go up to random kids and start playing with them, and I think it's fantastic for him.

And he just like will get a stick and just play with stick and just hit me.

Like like there's he loves like just walking past things and it's like tapping things, and like he just will find entertainment with a rock.

That's perfect.

Yeah.

Do you think you can ever be a tiny home family?

Were you full time love that life?

Ah? Sometimes yes, I would say yes, and sometimes I would say no.

It depends on my mood.

I just think sometimes I'm just like this caravan, it's too small and I need some space. I also, I'm quite an introverted person, so I do like my own space and I recharge alone. So when I've got lots of energies around me, I become very exhausted.

So yeah, I would be able to do it for.

A big stint of time, but then I would have to go home.

And we did a caravan interrupt the other day and I just like came to the conclusion that you have to minimalize and get rid of all your shit.

I reckon, like if you're.

Going on a caravan, drop just keep it so fun with your staff because it just clogs up the place so quickly.

Oh mate, it really does. Did you enjoy it?

Loved it? Absolutely?

Loved it? And I found like we started getting our grove just as we were about to leave, like you sort of start getting into your own little routines and stuff. But I regretted packing as much as I did. But then I'm like, well, I Chalie kind of needed those clothes, but it just feels like you just want to get rid of all of your belongings, which I guess is a good leason out of it, right, Yeah.

Oh absolutely, And even we found that we tweets like we packed all these things to keep ten and entertained, and he only.

Liked playing with like his bloss He's that much for him.

And then he's just outside, like I said before, we sticks and rocks and just you know, playing, And I'm just like, oh man, we really didn't need to pack like a whole draw full of just sahit.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Yeah, it's a good lesson, it is.

And like kids will find entertainment no matter where they are.

Totally.

Now.

I always wrap up the podcast with advice that you give to your younger self. I did he say that you don't need to see in the text messages.

You need to see?

Is there anything else that you'd add with a profound note to wrap up the podcast?

Oh, that's a good question. What would I tell my younger self? I think I would tell like, I think I would tell.

My younger self that you're going to be okay, Like you are going to be okay. Everything's going to be okay, because when you're younger, when you get hit with speed bumps, they've really hit, you know, and even even all the stuff that I went through at home and away during COVID and all that stuff that really hit and at the time I was just like, I don't know how I'm going to get over this. And then you do and you end up being okay and everything's okay.

You learn a valuable lesson and then you get a little bit stronger, and then the Nuther speak comes. You know, it's so like you're like, well, I guess you again, But I.

Just think, you know, just that validating feeling of being like You're going to be okay. Everything's working out and this is all part of the whole journey. And even though it doesn't make sense right now, I promise you in the future it'll make sense.

I love it. Sam.

Thank you so much rejoining me on Slow Dance. And I was so lovely to probably meet you.

Yeah, thank you so much.

Well, that was my chat with Sam Frost. She was so easy to talk to, such a lovely done earth human and I just love the life that she's creating with her partner.

And their baby. And they're just doing it.

They're just going out and doing it and creating the dream life. I really enjoyed her take on motherhood and her she really enjoyed it and her she felt so inadequate in the build up that you know, she was not going to be enough, she wasn't going to be the secure attachment for her child. But she went and she saw the psychologist and the things that she learned

The way, particularly through COVID.

Oh my God, of course you'd want to three find a way, but it seems like she's grown and she's learned through that time, and she obviously has a really strong network around her. That family unit has helped ground her and made her realize, you know, what really matters, and that half of the shite that we see on the eternet is not real. Sometimes you just need to get outside, take a deep breath, and walk away.

From it all.

I'd love to know what you got out of this week's episode. It was a delight to chat to Sam. I've got another episode coming out next week, but if you've got any suggestions on who you think would be great to talk to, you can always hit me up on Instagram at Pja DJ and I'll see you back next week for another episode.