Episode 79: Aeon Servos with Auggie

Welcome to another episode of Skids Up Podcast. I'm Steve, and we have a full house today, don't we? Let's welcome Frank. What's going on, guys? Yeah, we got Darren. How's it going, eh? We've got a couple special guest hosts today, too. We have Jason Bell. Hello. Hello. All right. And Augie. Hello, everybody. All right. This is Episode 79, Eon RCE. This is going to be a train wreck. I think that's a name. We got too many people. Too many people? No.

Well, we don't have Javier. Javier's not on the show, unfortunately. Where is he flying nitros? He's flying nitros. Yeah, flying, dreaming about nitros. Yeah. He must be sick then if he's flying nitro. Yeah. That was a gift for him. Nice. All right. So do you want to see what everyone's been up to? Kind of do a little catch up? Sure. How about let's do the catch up. So let's do them pretty quickly. Because we all know how irritated Augie gets if he doesn't talk a lot. So.

You are going to pay for this. I don't often get a chance to just pick on you in public like this, so I have to take full advantage of it. Well, we'll give Augie plenty of time to talk, so that won't be a problem. I don't think I'm going to use to drive him crazy. I hope so. Yeah, he's really good at that.

All right. Yeah. Start up for us, man. All right. What I've been up to? Yeah. Go for it. All right. So for me, it's been the usual, you know, flying on the weekends. Making some videos these days, really digging the Ray-Ban metal glasses I got. It really makes it easy to just kind of like, you know, walk up to the flight line and capture a video of myself flying. And that way I can kind of...

take a look at my flights later on and share them and all that stuff. So, yeah, I've been really enjoying that these days. Yeah. I've been enjoying your videos from that. It's so nice. Oh, yeah. I appreciate it. A message. Yeah, yeah. I really love those. Yeah, I mean, there is some editing I got to do or like, you know, especially because I don't fly close to myself, you know, to get the heli in the frame. But yeah, no, I've been having fun with it.

Beyond that, I've just been working. Working life, family, you know. Been busy, so. On that front. Flying at lunchtime? I have been lucky where I've been, you know. Able to take a little bit longer lunch break and, you know, quote unquote, drop something off at the field and take a quick, you know, couple of flights, you know, two or three flights real quick, kind of back to back real quick. And then head back.

Yeah. I'm jealous. It's nice kind of working from home and then like, you know, for my lunch breaks, I can kind of go out and take some time if I want to. So it's been nice. But yeah, we'll see. My club field, I mean, you know. There's a lot of stuff with that going on, so who knows if it'll be there much longer, and I might not have a field that's 20 minutes away. Oh, really? Oh, wow.

It got sold, you know, and the new owners are releasing it with the new owners. But, you know, when they want to do something with the land, they're going to do something with the land. So, yeah. Other than that, just, you know, life.

work life, having fun, flying smileys. Yeah. So who wants to go? We'll just make it quick, right? I'll do it quick. Got a couple of helicopters coming in. I don't think I spoke about that last. Yeah. I got the Wraith, which I was wanting to do. I got the new Ultimate 3 Blade, and I got the Ultimate Nitro. Ultimate Ultimate what? The Ultimate Nitro. And the 3-bit electric as well. Nice.

and i got a bunch of goodies this week i got some uh i took advantage of black friday and got some um stuff from mikado and got um some a couple of acs i got the new 220 and the 150 and i got two motors, the 535 and the 470, I think. Yeah, the new Scorpion. What else? What else? Beat up my Bushmaster pretty badly. I ripped the landing gear off of it. It's at my buddy's house right now, going through surgery. Piker! Piker! Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's just the landing gears? That's nothing, man. Yeah.

Easy fix. The undercarriage is pretty fucked up. He says he's going to have to rebuild it out of plywood so it's nice and sturdy. If I'm going to keep ripping landing, you're off of it. Popsicle sticks, you know, you're good. Yeah. Working with screws and nuts is hard enough, let alone wood and glue. No, thank you.

Yeah. Dude, I think it's like a big old kite, man. I think it's fun to fly. And I was just flying stupid that day, super low. It was gussy. It was like 25 miles an hour. And I'm trying to do like scale. uh stall uh take off and landings yeah it bit me in the ass pretty good but i got been flying a lot you know i've been feeling much better about my flying so I'm excited for next year. Cool. I'm going to say I plead the fifth on that Bushmaster thing. Oh yeah, you got one too, huh?

No, I mean, the real story of the Bushmaster is hilarious. Yeah, I was trying to land into the wind. I'll fucking say it. You know, I don't give a fuck. I was trying to land into the wind. You were going to pay for it. No, I was trying to land into the wind. Not against the wind, but with the wind. I was trying to land with the wind. Downwind. I was doing everything possibly wrong I could do, right? And I have Sammy. Sammy just wants to stir the shit and get me going.

and then he's like come on dude do something dude like that like the plane's going into the towers you know he's like i'm gonna get a plane just so i can do that right i love that little fucker you know and i'm like trying to fly low And, yeah, I was like, all right, I'll do a... Sammy, watch how quickly I can land this thing. I'm like, oh, that was quick. Frank, what happened? I crashed, Sammy.

Nothing happened. Yeah. It was a quick landing. It was a quick landing, man. Hey, stall stands for sure takeoff and landings. I was doing that. It didn't take off anymore after that. I was laughing so hard when he told me that. Because I know Sammy. Sammy can get under his skin quickly. He can get me going. He definitely knows how to push the right buttons. I love him to death, dude.

We have a chat here with all the South Florida guys, right? And it's... Sammy goes in there and just says the craziest things and just gets everybody just laughing so hard. His new one is the... The Tortinator. It's no longer Tortopounder. It's the Tortinator. And he is just hilarious. And like a bunch of guys that you guys probably all know. You guys know Ernie, Captain Rickett. He's on there and he's always starting the pot.

You got Herman, you got Andre, and a bunch of the local guys from here for South Florida. It's always a good time. I'm pretty blessed to have such a cool crew, local to me, that I can hang out with. Heck yeah. My road dog, Juan, we've been to a bunch of events together, so that's my boy. So yeah, that's about it for me. Augie, did you embarrass me enough or do you want to keep going? Was that again?

Did you embarrass me enough or do you want me to keep going? I don't know. I think it's just a start. Okay. Podcast is just starting. Oh, well, mine's probably going to take a little bit longer because...

Well, I got quite angry. I got quite angry at all my helicopters this month. I literally had to go and... Take my helicopters and put them in the, in the naughty corner and let them sit there for several weeks. Literally the. Friday, I think I did mention last time we've started our indoor flying and that's Friday nights and the Friday after we recorded last, I went to indoor.

Went with what I thought was three working helicopters. Turns out one of them was not working. Apparently I had crashed it and didn't repair it. And I still have not repaired that one. That's my little MCPX brushless. And then I went to go fly the Oxy-2 and dumb-thumbed that into the wall. Ooh, I bet that made a nice sound. Yeah, it did. Surprisingly a little damage, but...

It still, yeah, it made a good sound. And then I went to go fly the Goose Guy S1. And for some reason, as soon as it spooled up, it started taking off fast forward flight. And I had to shut the motor down and it came down hard on the ground and broke the frame. So I came home with three non-working helicopters. The very next day... I wanted to go get back with, it was a Saturday and wouldn't you know it, you know, right now at this time of year till probably about April, weekend.

Weekends are going to be very few and far between as to whether I'm going to be able to fly or not. Thanks to our weather. Thanks to the rain. And wouldn't you know it, it was actually a decent day for weather. So I'm like, okay, cool. I'm going to go. take the logo out, you know, as of last recording that I only, I had only had, I think two flights on, uh, on V8, Mercado V-Bar V8. And so I,

took that out and just started focusing on that. And I was really, really happy. I tell you, I haven't had a helicopter tail. feel that solid in a long time not since i've flown skookum have i felt like the tail was holding that well and it was i was loving it nice and then i go and do a wall with the helicopter, and the tail belt snaps. A death. And it then proceeds to jam itself up in between...

The auto rotation gear and the main gear and slowed the head speed down so much that I was not really able to do an auto rotation. You didn't look out and just have it spit out the belt. Nope, it did not spit out the belt. It jammed itself up, which is really annoying. Well, it is what it is. So I went and scavenged all of my leftover parts, put it back together.

And then up here in Canada, November 11th, we call it Remembrance Day. I think you guys call it Veterans Day or something like that. And so I decided I'm going to go to the field on Remembrance Day. And this time the belt decided to just pop off the main gear. And once again, it jammed itself up in between the auto rotation gear and the main gear. So yeah, I'm, I was pretty.

pretty upset. And I literally took the helicopter home, stuck it in a corner and I did not look, I was so angry at my helicopters that Frank, you might be proud of me on this. I actually went and started building a plank. Oh, nice. I am actually building a flat, foamy, indoor EPP, a Twisted Hobbies, the Twisted Hobbies micro pants. Those are awesome.

Yeah, they're fantastic. I love those. And it's not actually finished yet. I've got to go in and finish it. My goal is to have it ready for January. What was that Planker comment you made earlier? Exactly. I know. Let's go for it. Come on. Come on. I just want to make sure that we have a record of that, you know. Yeah, I deserve it. I was getting abuse. And, you know, here you are. Yeah, you're right. You're a planker sexual, too. It's okay. I'm not going to deny it. Live up to it.

Y'all don't even know. You don't live up to it, right? I'm willing to accept it. Deal with it with pride, man. Look, dude, if you're going to hang out in the closet once in a while, take it like a champ. Hang it all out. This is going to be one of those shows this month, isn't it? Definitely. If you have kids listening.

Mute it, okay? Or send him to another room because it's not going to be... There's going to be some shit stirring, all right? We have to keep it somewhat professional because Jason Bell is here, you know? Out of his spikes, you know? Yeah. Other than that... Yeah. You're going to have to edit the podcast and put what you just said before everything else. Hey, you know. That we can do.

For all 20 listeners that we have, you know, it's okay. Oh. So, anyways, yeah. I did finally, just the other day, just on Friday. This is last Friday. We did not have indoor, and so I did put the logo back together, and I have flown it again since. And I have got the Oxy back together. I actually decided... One of the problems that I also had with my Oxy is the micro brain that I had on there also just decided to stop working. It powered up, but it would not initialize.

It's really weird. I hook up to the computer. The computer reads it and says, oh, you got an old firmware in there. You need to update. Okay. So I let it go and do the update. And it won't update. When I let it go and try and do the update, then it tells me that it won't communicate. So once again, I got angry. And since I have a spare Neo, I stuck a V-Bar Neo on it. Nice.

That's the way to do it. And then took that out to that and the logo out to the field on Friday. And I think, well, it looks like I kind of screwed up on my V-Bar Neo setup for the Oxy because it didn't want to fly. So I've since fixed it now. Yeah, exactly. I had it, I had the mounting set up backwards for which way the wires were pointed and whatnot. I screwed that up. And that was my fault. So, and yeah. That's an easy fix, though. Yeah, it is. It is. So.

So it's ready to go. We do have our last indoor flying of 2025 this Friday, so I should be able to maiden it this Friday. Yeah, should be good to go. And the V-bar, the logo, I have flown it again. I had to go and, well, Frank will also be happy to hear this. I ran out of landing gear, so I ended up having to go and stick some XL Power landing gear on it.

and uh so it's flying again and yeah it's i'm you know calming down and not as angry at my helis anymore although i still have to finish building the airplane yet And that's about it for me. Did you do another wall with the logo? No, no. When I took it out this weekend, I was very, very gentle on it. Oh, you're bathing it around. I was, you know, so.

Uh, we've talked about this in our internal chat, but I'm, I was hesitating whether or not to even talk about this or not, but I'm getting a little annoyed at parts availability for that logo. I love how that heli flies. When it's flying, it is my favorite heli to fly right now. When it's flying well right now, it is my favorite heli. It autos amazing, and it flies really well, and I really like it, especially now that I've got...

the V-Bar Evo with V8 on it. But I'm having so much difficulty getting parts for that thing because I think partly because it's just not enough... people flying them, so nobody's stocking parts on it. Now my dealer's saying I'm probably going to be waiting for another at least a month, maybe six weeks before I can get parts for it, because he's got to order them from Germany now. Yeah, especially if you're in Canada.

Yeah, so I'm trying to decide whether or not to even keep that thing or not. I really like how it flies, but if I can't get parts for it, but then at the same time as... I don't know what to replace it with either. You know, in some ways, all of these current helis are so good that it's hard to decide. I will admit there's some that I just, you know, not to say that they're bad helis, they're great helis, but there are some that I just doesn't really turn my crank kind of a thing.

And there's other ones where I'm going, yeah, that's parts availability here in Canada is not the greatest. And it just feels like I just, I'm not seeing what I want in a new heli either.

And so, yeah, I don't know. It's something I got excited. Oh, that's one other thing too. I was mentioning my, that old Schluter. I have been working on that still too. It turns out I was wrong in what I was saying I needed. I have chatted with a couple of people and it's actually the, I needed a different fan.

And that's what the mount, that adapter piece that goes into the bottom of the clutch is actually attached to the fan. And then it turns out I also do not have a fan shroud for that helicopter. What kind of Schluter is it? I've got an old Schluter mini boy.

not the heli boy the mini boy which is the smaller one yeah so i have uh i've got an old os32 i thought it was an os50 i mentioned that last time and turns out no i looked at it closer it's actually an os32 that i have for it and yeah i should have the heli is in amazing condition it's actually in really good condition i've got it mostly torn apart

And everything just seems to move really well and slide around and do what it's supposed to do really nicely. So I'm just about, I'll pull it a little bit further apart and re-grease things and whatnot.

and then start reassembling it and i got to figure out what to do for a fan shroud and for a fan i do have a fan but it won't fit the clutch that i have in there I have another clutch that fits that fan, but this other clutch is a much bigger clutch, and it's not in the nicest condition either, and I don't know if it would fit in the heli. It's definitely a larger diameter clutch bell, and I don't know if it'll fit in that spot where the clutch needs to fit. So...

Uh, and I did chat with JC's ankle. He was telling me to look on eBay, which I did look on eBay. I haven't found anything on eBay. So once again, if any of our listeners have any, can point me in any direction for some of that stuff. uh, please do get in touch with me. Uh, cause I'm definitely would like to, it'd be nice if I can maybe get this thing running and flying for, for next season. So we'll see.

You need to look at that nitro, the little 450 nitro that was out. I forgot who made it, right? It was, I think, Buddy RC salted. See if some of those parts might work on this thing. A 450 Nitro? I don't remember hearing about this. I remember a guy in Germany went and custom built a T-Rex 250 Nitro, but I don't remember a 450 Nitro. It was like a weird brand name.

JC had one. That's why that made the connection, because JC had one. And it was super, super weird. But I think it ran on a 32. And you might be able to... If you can even find it, you know, maybe you can modify some of those parts or see if they work. Or maybe... Like I have wondered, you know, I've got a good friend of mine who is a nitro guy and he's got a lot of Raptor and T-Rex 600 nitro stuff. I don't know whether maybe one of those fan shrouds might fit or...

Maybe somebody's got a GAUI NX4 fan shroud. I don't know. Do you have a partial fan shroud or something like that? I don't know. Yeah, maybe model one or two. So I haven't looked to see if anybody else has tried modeling something like that, but I don't have the ability to do that. If you haven't, just send it to me. You're close to me. I'll model it for you.

Yeah, okay, because I have nothing like that. I don't have any drawing or anything like that where I could model it from. My roommate does have a 3D printer, so it's not like I couldn't get it 3D printed. But getting that drawn up and whatnot and designed, that I would not have a clue on how to do. And then when Augie messes it up, send it to me and I'll solve it and fix it.

You know, Greg and I have a fight always about his AutoCAD and my SolidWorks stuff. What would you need to go and design something like that? Oh, nothing. I just got to get some dimensions off of it. That's more what I'm thinking. What kind of information do you need kind of a thing? I don't even know how to include what a person would need.

Send me some pictures and I'll tell you what to measure and I can actually do it from the picture. Okay, because I have no, actually, yeah, okay. I can send you some pictures of the helicopter. I have no. No, I have no fan shroud at all, right? So I don't even know what to measure. Oh, you don't have a fan shroud? No, I have no fan shroud. That's what I mean. I have none. Oh, okay. So that would require the actual helicopter. Oh, yeah.

Line everything up and mesh everything. Yeah. That's why I'm wondering if maybe I can adapt a different fan shroud. I don't know. So. Anyways. It's called the Hiller H-I-L-O-E-R 480 Nitro. I put a link on it. I don't know if the link's any good, but it got some parts there. I don't know if that could even potentially help you or anything. I'm trying to see where did you post that? On the chat, on the podcast channel.

Oh, on the podcast channel chat. Okay. Anyways, that's it for me. All right. Cool.

Let's get Augie and then Jason and then we'll jump on the topic. Yeah. So Augie, what have you been doing lately? Not crashing in planks. That's a good one. That one came out of nowhere. I like it. I like that. No, I've been working like crazy. I'm working on a lot of stuff and medical products and this and that. and uh well the servers are on their way here oh and uh so but anyway so i you know what what happened

Okay, let me start from the beginning. So the question is, why did I make a servo? That's a question some people ask me. Well, let's get in just to what you've been doing lately first, and then we'll get into that. Yeah. What have you been doing just the last few weeks? Have you been doing much in the hobby just in the last few weeks? Then we'll get into that stuff. No, the hobby, it's all related to...

to servos and sending stuff to Jason on his flying and testing stuff. We're fine-tuning stuff. and adding features to the screen and this and that and a whole bunch of stuff, you know. We are testing the backend of the servers that do all the... firmware updates. And, you know, there's a lot of work that goes behind that. And so, yeah, hobby-wise is being all dedicated to the Eon stuff. Cool. So when's the last time you've flown? Oh.

Well, you saw me going to the phone flight to say hi to the people and then go back, remember? Yes, I do remember that. You didn't even bring a helicopter. Yep, I remember that. What? Yeah, I went to the phone flight just to say hi to the guys and everything. I watched a few other guys. Well, you watched a bunch of the night flying. Yeah, yeah, I went to the night flying because it was, you know.

The thing is that people don't know this, but I've been flying the server for two and a half years. You know, they have been masquerading as some Chinese servers, you know. That's what I do. It's hilarious. I was working on servos and I would look at, get something from Amazon and copy the lasers and put them on the server so people would think it was something else so they wouldn't ask me questions, you know?

There were surprises like, those cheap servos fly that good? Nice. It was hilarious. So, yeah, it's been a long, long, long journey. Wow. Yeah. Well, Jason, Jason, what have you been doing in the hobby lately? Oh my God. Like Augusto working too much for the hobby. Oh my God. Um, but I mean, you know, I work in retail, I work at a main.

Black Friday was, we were very, very busy. Thank you to everybody who stopped by and bought something. I gave some stuff away, so you're also welcome if you did take advantage of that. But yeah, we've been slammed and I've just been living my personal life. Working on projects around the house with my girlfriend and just...

like everything. Like there's not enough time in the day. It seems like never is. And then of course also helping Augusto test stuff and get feedback on, you know, the servers. Cool. Awesome. All right, so shall we get into it? Yeah, let's get into it. Augie, tell us why you made these servos. Yeah.

It came from, you know, most of you know that I work on design and very high-end stuff, very high-tech stuff. And I kind of got kind of annoyed at the fact that cerebrals, even the current cerebrals, are glorified 60s and 70s. Technology is pretty much what it is. Pretty much the servos have not changed with the technology that we have available nowadays.

There was a lot of stuff that I wanted to do, that I wanted the server to have, digital protocols and all kind of stuff. Also, the approach. to the way the server works and everything else. I mean, we are carrying in our pockets a little supercomputer, and we're used to that, and none of that stuff is actually part of the...

the service technology, and same as with a lot of stuff that isn't in our hobby. And I wanted to have a lot of features that are not available. And when you are familiar with... The way servers work, it's like watching something that is designed a long ago that it feels ancient to you. So I said, what if we... applied all the new stuff to a servo, it would be absolutely insane, the technology and the features that you could do and things like that. So I went ahead and started designing that.

because I wanted to do a lot of stuff that we take for granted now in our technology that were simply not available all the time that the first servers were designed, which is what it is nowadays. I like the way Jason said, because he and I had discussions. By talking to him and talking to Frank, sometimes they ask me questions.

I cannot figure out how to explain what is different on the cerebral. And when he asked me, okay, so what is different between a cerebral from the 70s or 80s and today? Well... They all are basically the same thing. It's a servo that has a processor that runs what is called a control loop in a bartender loop fashion.

which is a processor program is running and passing through steps and checking this, checking that, checking this, checking that, and making decisions and taking actions based on that. And that is the way pretty much all the current servers work. And he said, so what about all this programming and stuff like that? And I explained to him that it was simply access to parameters that are still the same server, same technology, but they have not given you access to the parameters.

So he put it in a way that I like. He said, oh, so they allow you to jailbreak the cerebrals. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. It is the same cerebrals. It is the same thing. The only reason... You have that is because, like, for instance, let's say a KST programmer is the way they set it up at the factory. You know, they use the same. That's why they were able to come up with a programmer.

that was compatible with all servos. Because that's exactly the way they were accessing and programming the servos and the factory, so they just made that thing available for the people. So that's basically what it is. That's what people are thinking that it's something special. No, it's nothing special. The current technology is still the same and things like that.

So what happened is that, okay, so we have this technology that uses an old bartender approach, which is the cerebral has a program that is running and reading. the location, let's say that through a potentiometer it reaches the angle of the arm and then compares that to the angle that is reading. Oh, by the way, it's reading the pulse from the servo, the width of the pulse, and the width of the pulse is directly...

as a relation to the angle that the radio is commanding. So it reads the angle, compares to the angle that the receiver sent, and they say, oh, there's a difference, that's the error. It's called the error because it's the difference between where you want to be and where you are. And then that goes through what people call the PID system, the PID control loop.

and then decides what to do with it, you know, which direction it should turn, how fast, and things like that. But the thing is that until you get to that point, you know, until you get to the point that you...

That you read this and decide that and calculate that and this and that. Things that are waiting to be like, for instance, a pulse wave or something like that, have to wait until you are ready to... processing to do something with that so it's like when you are in a bar and until the bartender gets to you you can nothing can be done with the order okay And that does not match with the current technology, and I'll explain how that works.

Let's say you have a computer right now or a phone, you know, and you're watching on your computer a video, you know, a YouTube video, and the video is playing, the sound is running. You know, you can listen to the sound of the video. And if you move the mouse, the mouse moves immediately. Nothing gets interrupted. There is no bartender. Things are actually happening at the same time, all of them.

So nobody gets in the way of the other things. When you see the mouse stopping, you know there's something wrong with the computer. It's about to crash. And that's what's called an event-driven approach. Event-driven approach is the device, the electronics, react to an event and immediately, immediately attend to it. So it's like you had a bar with...

a bartender for each one of the customers. And each one of the customers can ask for whatever at any moment, and the bartender immediately takes the order and processes it and gives it to the customer. So this event-driven approach makes a huge difference on the performance of a startup and on anything, pretty much. As you can see, when you're using your phone, you can be talking on the phone, watching a video.

looking at a picture that somebody sent you. That's all because there is hardware dedicated to each one of the things that is taking care of that. And some of it has to do with a processor that is directing a lot of the hardware. And the more hardware you have for that, the less the processor has to be doing these things. And that is a very important difference.

In other words, when you move a mouse on a computer, there is a part of silicon, and this is a very important difference. Silicon means there is an ISEA chip. or a section, a peripheral, something like that, that attends to the movements of the mouse and gets the update of the screen. happening, for instance, the screen, the hardware that is running on the screen, the video card, things like that, can get that information directly and process it.

and update their mouse location and things like that. So as you can see, the more hardware you have dedicated, the more silicon you have, the more performance you can get because then you have more bartenders and more things like that. And then again, you have also multi-processors, multi-cores. You know, people are familiar with that.

Ryzen or Intel or something like that, and they tell you all this many cores and this many threads and things like that, that means that that processor is programmed correctly. can be doing simultaneously several sequential things. In other words, following programs to do stuff. So, that...

It's actually nothing like that exists in the cerebrals. You know, not all that technology is in the cerebrals, except for the new Eon cerebrals. The new Eon cerebrals were designed with this approach. current 21st century latest and greatest technology available were applied when designing the service. So for instance, and let me give you an example, so you can understand why the word silicon is important.

Let me give you an example of what is called a logic gate. When you look at a processor, any processor, it's nothing but a whole bunch of billions of... logic gates and logic gates are something that is it's a pretty simple unit which is imagine you have like a half moon you know half a circle on the flat side you have two inputs and on the round side and the other side is an output

And this is called an AND gate. An AND gate is if you're on the input A and B. If you put true and true, you get on the output true. If you get false and true, you get false, you get... True and false get false, and if you get false and false, false. So the only way to have a true on the output is having both trues on the left side. Are you following me so far with that? Because that one I need to make sure the guys follow that part.

I was feeling a lot of people would be confused. I'm a loss of shit. I'm understanding it, but I've got a bit of background in that too. Okay, so 1 plus 1 equals 2. then it can go forward. No, no, no. You don't add it. You simply... It has to qualify both. You have to say it will only have the output of one when both are one. Well, both the inputs are one. Okay? So that is called a gate. Okay? So now you have, if you present two ones, ones actually in the processor is 3.3 volts.

If you put 3.3 volts on the A and 3.3 volts on B, then the output, let's call it C, will have 3.3 volts. If you put 3.3 volts on the input... of A and the B input 0, then the output is going to be 0. If you put 0 on 3.3, the output is 0. If you put 0, 0, the output is 0. So the only way to have a 1 on the C is when you have both on the left. 3.3, okay, on the flat section that has the two inputs, okay? So that's a logic gate. Now, if you want to do four inputs, you put two together.

and then put a third where the outputs of the first and the second gates are going into the inputs of the third one now with the three gates. Now you have four inputs that can give you... a one on the B or whatever we can call that last gate. So as you can see, this is what is called a silicon. The silicon is based not on a program, but on that reaction. of hardware, when you present information on one side, you have an output, a solution on the other side. And this happens instantaneously.

And there is a time that is called, I forgot, like, I will remember in a while. But it's measuring nanoseconds. It's pretty much zero. So what happens is that, okay, why this is important, it's something that you have to understand. If you had a series of bits that are coming from the receiver, okay? and they go and sequentially go into this for input. And then the other side, that means, you know, turn on some light on the receiver.

the airplane or helicopter, that could do it without having to use the processor on the servo or whatever, okay? So... There is no need to involve the processor. And why is that important? Because of this. A processor will actually get the bit. Those are actually bits, those inputs. The bit, and then take the other bit. And you have to follow a program where it takes bit A and bit B stored in C.

and then bit D and E stored in F, and then takes the C and the F and does an N again and stores it in output. You see, it's a whole bunch of process, and it's actually more... longer than what I said, because you have to declare and do all kinds of stuff and store. So there's a lot of traffic happening, moving memory, moving this and that. So there is an actual...

an actual amount of time that it takes for you to have that result if you do it with a program. You have to go through steps, and that takes time, clocks, and when you end up, it's the same result, but it took you a while. And that is only for, like, four bits. Now, if you have to do something like decoding D-Shot, for instance, that is a lot. You know, you have to take the protocol, and there is...

telemetry, there's a lot of stuff. That is a lot for a processor to do. Because you have to also do the whole thing about the servo. It has to be measuring. the pulse width and checking the energizing the corals on the motors and all kind of stuff like that. So there is so much you can do, you know? And so...

What we did with this is, okay, let's put on silicon everything that we can do to release that. And all of those things, like, for instance, measuring the pulse width that is coming from the servo, decoding, things like that. We actually included, added a custom, it's called the A-shot, because we wanted to increase the number of bits.

to match the potentiometers of the receiver. Because the D-Shock was initially designed for ESCs, and a more sophisticated one, we designed that so it's actually part of the server, too. So all of that stuff is happening at a certain level. So when we receive the signals from the receiver,

They don't go through any program that has to do this and that. No, they go into this hardware, this silicon, and instantaneously we have the value that the transmitter sent without having to wait for anything like that. So can I interrupt you for a second here? So if I understand this correctly, basically what you're trying to say is that it's...

A lot of this stuff, if you can make it hardware rather than software driven, it will respond quicker. And so then you can, you're, you're taking what, you know, there's still going to have to be software stuff. But you can go and reduce the amount of load on the processor for how much software it needs to do by trying to do more of it as a hardware issue. Is that kind of what you're trying to say? Not only that, we did the same thing with a lot of the things that are also part of the...

part of the process of, for instance, energizing fields. There's a lot of stuff that is done with hardware. So that they are event-driven. So the moment they present themselves into the hardware, they're immediately attended to. So what that allows you is doing things like, for instance, The EVO has, I think it's a 250 microsecond thing that goes at 1,000. at a thousand refresh rate, that gives you two nanoseconds. No, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, correct. Two microseconds, I'm sorry.

for you to process everything between both and both. Obviously, there's no servo exit hours that can do that. There's no way, because we don't have delays to process that information. So the moment they finish ending that pulse, even before the two microseconds happen, the result, the pulse width, is there for the server to use. So you can do...

those things and update at that speed. So you have hardware like that. You have hardware that is measuring the whole effect sensors that are placed inside the motor and is... attending to the changes of the fields also on demand, on an event-driven situation. And we have more than one processor inside.

And because of that, you can do the same things that you do with a computer that you can assign processors. So there's processors that are doing things assigned to things that need to have some special calculations, things like that. So because they are dedicated, the throughput is absolutely insane. So what happens is that...

Now you have a servo that is like an iPhone. It's like a computer. You know, the servo has all of these features built in and you can tell. I mean, Jason, when the first time he flew one, he was like, holy shit. I'm sorry. Holy whatever. And he called me and he was like, dude, what the hell is this? He went crazy. And then he sent me a video of him. The stick, he was releasing it and vibrating, and the servo was vibrating exactly as the stick was doing it. So he's like, this is insane.

So, and obviously flying, you can tell right away. You're flying, you are like, it's, I mean, you can do crack rolls, you can do all kinds of stuff that is, that is, it's insane. And then...

additional to that, then you have one thing that is super, super important. And this is a major thing that, it's actually the reason why I felt that I needed to make a new servo. is that if you have had servos, you probably have had servos that burn now. They burn, and you open the servo, and you can see this little... the three transistors that are near the motor. They have holes on the cases and stuff like that. And that is because there is something that I just...

I couldn't, because it is something that we have forbidden in defense, for instance. You cannot use a P-type FET to drive a query like that. And the reason is because of this. There's two types of MOSFETs. You know, the MOSFETs are the switches, the ones that switch the power into the coils. Some of them are P-type, and some of them are N-type.

And the difference is that the n-type, they conduct when you put a pulse, like a 3.3 volts in the gate, in the input, and then they connect. It's like a switch, you know? The switch that you put on the input of the switch. If you put a 1, it connects. And so then you start conducting. And the p-type is the opposite. If you put a 0, so you put a 0, it connects. Now, the problem with this... with this uh and the reason for that and the reason why that is used is because in order to to uh turn an n

type servo, you have to have the input on the gate has to be a 1 when compared to the bottom side of it. In other words, If the bottom side of it is ground, then a one will turn it on. But the bottom side is your input voltage. Your processor cannot send. Let's say you are doing 12 volts. Your processor, in order for it to start, should send 14 volts to the gate because it has to be higher than the voltage you're trying to switch, right? And that is not possible without.

with a processor. The processor has an output of 3.3 volts. So what they do is, okay, let's use a P gate because we can send zeros from the processor, and that's fine. But there is a drawback by doing that. P-gates are way, way hotter. They don't have the N-type. It's like a piece of copper when you turn it on. The P-type, no. The P-type, it's like a low-value resistor, so it gets hot. And the problem with that is that reliability suffers, and heat really, really...

annoyed the hell out of the cerebrals. And I had a few cerebrals fail when it was a hot day and sun on the end. It actually... I crashed a couple of times, and I was like, I'm done with this thing. The problem is that, okay, so you have 12 volts, right? Or whatever. In our case, we have 6 or 12 volts. Let's say you have 12 volts.

So where do you get the 14 volts or something like that? Guess what? The servo has a built-in voltage elevator so that you can use the correct type of switches, you know, the correct type of... So the whole server uses N MOSFETs, which are super high efficiency. So like, for instance, if you look at any server, typical server, you open that and look at the specs.

The service can handle, the transistor can handle five or six amps per phase. Typical. You know, I just did that and that's, I mean, I got every band, you know, all the brands. The highest one was... 6.1 amps. Our servos have 35.1 per driver, so 6 times 35.1 capacity. So that is more than an exaggeration. But you know what? The one thing that you know is that they will never burn. Ever. Ever whatsoever. And not only that, they don't...

generate heat because they are true pieces of copper when they're on. There is 0.00001 ohms when they're turned on. It's insanely... high efficiency. And the complication of having an additional voltage elevator is not something that... That is difficult because, and this is the part that I understand, all those things are available. Because we have had those needs for a long time.

You can buy a voltage elevator, little IC, and make sure that it's doing that. Additional to that, we have, to power the servo, we have... a switching power supply fitting the linear power supplies. In other words, you can send anything to that server and it will get completely filtered without any problem. power that is feeding all the processes and things and analog to digital converters and things like that have pure energy. And that is very important for precision.

And, you know, all the things are normal in what we do all the time. This is something that we do all the time. All of this technology we use all the time. And I was annoyed that being something that is available. I don't know why the hell nobody thought about updating the technology to nowadays. It's just simply, you know, it's dumb. You know, it's not something that... Because if you have to create stuff, no, it's something that you can...

do on bike. And that was the difference in approach. And then, additional to that, we have something that I wanted to do was

I wanted to have a truly, truly, truly good programmer that allowed me to do the whole thing without disconnecting the programmer at all. In other words, I wanted to be able to... Make it simple because it's a visual, you know, touchscreen type of interface. So it's, you know, a no-brainer type of thing. But I wanted to also be able to connect the server directly.

without having to unplug anything. I wanted to be able to reset the servo without having to unplug anything. So I wanted to plug the servo until I'm happy and done, not need to do anything else, and simply...

disconnect when it's done completely. So the programmer has bypassing, you know, like, okay, you're in the middle of programming, you like the way it is, and say, okay, let's have... the receiver control the server directly and get the programmer you simply press a button you know on the touch screen and it connects directly so you can test your server without having to unplug anything whatsoever so that and and then

The ability to update the Servo firmware, it's paramount because then you don't have up Solosense. You know, I like the fact that my Teslas get updated and I thought, wow, we should do this with the Servos too. You have a new feature, like this A-Shot, for instance, right? Let's say we have a new version of A-Shot or something like that. And simply download it. Download it. And it has also a built-in...

MicroSD, so you can share it. Say you download it, you have it in your microSD, you give it to your friend, and he gets the latest firmware and things like that. It's very, very... community-driven kind of a thing. It's easy to use. It's nice. So what I wanted was to have something that was even the touchscreen. I want it to be like an iPhone, like a phone, you know? I don't want to be dealing with anything. We are in the age of touchscreen. We don't need buttons anymore.

You know, and I want to see information. I want to see and slide and, you know, I'm used to it. I want to have that in my stuff. I mean, we have it on the screens, on the transmitters, you know, on these touch screen interfaces. Why not to have that in the programmers and stuff like that? I wanted to have a really, really... user-friendly thing that had the latest technology that is proven because most of these chips and things like that come from mass market things like the phones, you know?

We have all that technology available now, very, very inexpensively. Why not use it? I don't get it. I said, you know what? I guess I'm going to have to design one to use all that and make everything event-driven. have everything in silicon as possible, do things like we do it nowadays, not the way it was being done for 40 years. That's basically the reason why and the whole approach to it.

Awesome. Is anyone else's head spinning? Not yet? No, I have a headache. No, I do have a question though, Augie. With all this technology in the servo, Can you pull logs from the servo? Can you pull logs? Yeah, yeah. The servo has... Okay, so the servo... Yes. Thank you for reminding me of that. The server has an odometer. It has events. If there's a problem on the event, it records them.

And that's another thing, you know. If you use Flash for that, there's a problem with the Flash. The Flash can do so many writes and reads, okay, until it becomes unusable. you have to do it with electrically erasable PROM, and that the server has a PROM inside, even that is part of the server. So you get... For instance, if you want to know how many minutes has been working, how many angles, travel angles, like miles.

You can do that. You can also do... When you log in to the website, the interface, it will recommend to you... based on that information, the wear of the gears and things like that, which right now we don't have much information. We're going to have to build it with experience from the customers. But I have seen customers that fly so many, so many flights in a year that they will probably give us some good feedback on that. Yeah.

So we'll start with some standards based on the information we got from the gear manufacturer. And so you can do things like service for the servo. Uh, if you want to, um, put some more gears and I'm sorry. Yeah. Change the gears. And didn't, um, didn't you mention also that like you could program.

the servo to jump a certain way to suggest to the user that, hey, it's time to change the gears. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was another thing that... See, that's the thing about the features, the firmware updates. If people come up with an idea like that, because we were talking about that, and we said, what about if this person doesn't have a programmer, we could do things like that, you know?

For instance, if the servo had a bad failure, when you turn it on again, it will give you some beeps that tell you there was something going on in the last slide. So it would be a good idea for you to check with the programmer what's going on. Yeah, like if it's through an error or something. I'm sorry? Yeah, like if it's through an error or something. Yeah, it will actually go...

It goes like beep, beep, beep, beep, something like that. It's a different beep, you know, with a motor. It makes that noise with a motor. Like back in the day with Casa Creations. How many beeps? How many lights the color of my light at the end of the flare? When it shut down. Yeah, but... Count the beeps. So the thing is that, so after...

Two and a half years, I said, well, it's time to start getting people to know what they'll be working on. And I tell you, Jason said something. He said, dude, this is... The rotoflight of cerebrus. I was like, the what? The rotoflight of cerebrus. Wait, is that a good thing or a bad thing? No, it's a good thing. I was like, what do you mean? And see, this is what happens. You know, I understand road of light.

Programming is not for any... It is crazy. But performance-wise, somebody like Jason, he will not go back to anything else. It's just the way it is. And that's what the same with Kenny Cole, with whatever. They don't care about the programming difficult, the performance they're getting out of those things. Well, Jason can tell. So let's hear from Jason.

What is your experience with it? Like, you know, he sent you some servos and a programmer and like, yeah, give us your feedback on it. Yeah, I mean, I didn't know what to expect. When I plugged them in, programmed them, flew them, the whole thing. So what did you program? Did you just use your basic... Okay, I'm just going to go 760 pulse width, a thousand hertz, you know, like... Oh, no, no, no. No PWM. Yeah, yeah. So, like, I've, for the past year and change, I've been on rotor flight.

And I've been flying tail servos on rotor flight. So those were at 760 and I think like 850 hertz or something insane like that. Like as much performance as I could get. And those same settings were put into or kept when I put the Eon servos in. And... Even though nothing changed in the rotor flight programming, when I first fully moved the stick on the bench or doing pitch pumps or something like that...

he was flying tail servos with tail servo torque. Now he has the speed, actually higher speed than tail servo with full 40 kilogram torque. That's important to know. Yeah, in flight there's a difference there too. But when I first finished redoing the rotor flight setup and calibrating everything and fully pitch pumped the servos on the bench and stuff like that, my jaw hit the floor. I was like, what?

what the fuck did I just see? Like, this is, this is insane. And like, it was already insane with tail servos because inherently like the tail servers are like fast, like 0.05 or whatever. Right. And the torque is acceptable. The Theta T1s are like, I don't know, 400 ounces or something like that. And on the bench, it doesn't matter. You're not going to feel it. But...

On the bench, I noticed a difference. I'm like, okay, there's some special shit here. What the fuck is going on? And then the next day or two, I went and test flew them. The same thing happened again, but in flight. My jaw hit the floor and I'm like, what magic sorcery is this? It felt like the technological jump from going...

to whatever gyro, V-bar to rotor flight, Futaba to rotor flight. Yeah, I like the second option better. A pretty advanced pilot and can feel some of those differences. I felt that same leap.

in performance with swapping from the Theta servos, the Theta tail servos, to the Eon servos. And like Augusto said, they have more torque. And I was convinced that what I had was fine. And I'm like... oh no like these things are ridiculous not only for the extra torque but like there's just some magic sorcery of like the the connection it literally feels like a simulator

And I've said that before with just flying rotor flight before. I'm like, oh my god, it's crazy because ELRS is very low latency. This adds onto that and it's like the sprinkles on top of a cupcake. Okay. Yeah, it was hilarious. It was like all kind of expressions that cannot be repeated here. We're all adults here. I mean, whatever. It's a podcast, you know? Sure. He made me laugh so hard because he was like, what the hell kind of sorcery is this?

So this is interesting. Like, it's awesome to hear, like, just put in the servos with the same settings. You know, you felt the performance inference. Now, this is like a multi-protocol servo. So, like, you can't end with... Rotorfly, you can run Dshot to the servos, right? Have you messed with any of that stuff? I don't think you can run Dshot on the servos. Only on the ESC. Oh, on the ESC? Okay. Yeah, but yes. Yeah, Rotor Flight's capable of going down to...

The other settings that Augusto has in the Eon servos, which is called like Photopa SR, Airtronics SSR, I just didn't have... I didn't have time to like change it any further. I'm like, I just need to go fly this thing as it is. And then I did. And I'm like, Oh my God. That's pretty cool. Yeah, there is the Sanwa protocol. Yeah, Sanwa protocol. The new Futaba, the UR and the Xart.

You are, yes. You are an SR. The RC car servos have those for the, well, actually, all of them have all the same, but we made those for the RC cars, and we have D-Shot, A-Shot. Xbox, Sanwa, Futaba, all of the versions of each one of those. What else? I don't know. It's a menu. If you drop the menu, it's like a bazillion protocols. And you also have the fast one that you said from Mikado, the like 1,000, whatever. Yeah, yeah, the 250, 1,000 hertz, all of those. As a matter of fact...

You don't even need to put the number of hertz because the hardware, the silicon, takes care of that. It doesn't care. You can send any ratio, any rate. It does not matter whatsoever because... And not only that, this is a very important feature. If you send something like 125 microseconds pulse, it will divide it into 12 bits no matter what. So that is so important. I'll tell you why.

And that's one of the biggest differences between a silicon-based thing and a programmer. The programmer will have a counter that will count, and the speed of the counter will actually... allows you to divide a regular 760 or 1500 microseconds into 4000 and something divisions, right? And that will give you 12 bits.

But when you say 125 microseconds, you don't have time to divide that many, to divide such a short pulse into that many spaces, you know, 4,000 spaces, because there is a limitation that a server will have. So that's why... The surface cannot use 125 without losing a whole lot of resolution. Well, on the Eon, you don't have limitation because the silicon measures that at... If I told you the number, you would not believe it. It's 2.5 nanoseconds. I don't believe it. It can actually give you...

16 beats, 24 beats, whatever you want. It doesn't make any difference. You can select that, and it's also programmable. So if somebody comes up with a... you know, a radio that has a, I don't know. It's kind of like future proof, right? Exactly. And that's, it's like a Tesla, you know, that's the thing about the Tesla. Oh my goodness. Always back to the Tesla. Get off your cyber truck. Okay.

No, it is. I mean, come on. It's amazing to have something that gets updated by itself, you know? And... Steve, do you still want your iPhone to connect to iTunes to update and store everything? Physically? With a cable? Yes, with a cable, yes. No. Those were good times. A cell phone or something like that gets updated. So we should have this thing. It should be a feature for every technology nowadays. We cannot stay in the old way of doing things. We need to...

get ourselves up to date, you know? And that's what happened. So, and when I sat with my engineers, they were like, oh, this is going to be fun. We're going to pull all the stuff and let's make a server that is absolutely the most technological advance thing we can make with access to technology that, you know. We have. We have everything. Not only that, but we also have, because of this kind of work that we do, oh, this is so amazing. We were able, because of some software that we have,

to make a mathematical model of the cerebral. So a mathematical model, it means equations and everything that describes the cerebral. So what happens with that is that... then your algorithms, like, it's not exactly PID, something else, but adapts itself to the behavior of the cerebral. the voltage and the temperature. And why is that important? This is why. When you have a servo, or same way as a tail in a helicopter, the control loop...

depends on the RPM, for instance, on the tail, right? If you have an RPM that is very high and your gain is too high for that RPM, then the tail's going to go crazy. It's going to start... you know, hunting, going like crazy. And so that's why you have to have a different gain for each one of the RPMs, right? That's why we have the banks and everything else. In the case of a servo, you have...

good for everybody kind of PID numbers, you know, factors. And they are always designed to the highest voltage possible. that you can apply to a server. You will have the gains that are low enough so they don't start hunting. The server doesn't do that. But when you go to six volts, they are not going to be enough. You know, it's like a tail that it doesn't have that much of a gain, you know, and so it doesn't center as well. So the amount and the ratio of that...

you cannot have too large because then you can see a difference. So all the servers are always set up so that the PIDs are set for the maximum voltage so it doesn't hunt when it's at that voltage. But when you have a model of a servo, an equation model of a servo, every voltage that you send recalculates instantaneously all of the factors. Even when you have a brownout, even when you have something, the servo reprograms itself on these PID factors to match the voltage that is coming in.

So no matter what the voltage is, you still have top performance. The same response, whether you're doing 6 volts, 7 volts, 8 volts, 12 volts, doesn't matter because all of these things adapt by themselves. and they will give you top performance at whatever voltage you apply when they're voltage drops or things like that. It will still recalculate itself to the correct thing and do that.

as well as temperature. Temperature also has an important factor that needs to be recalculated, so we have that too. So it has sensors inside that measure temperature and all kinds of stuff like that. So all of the stuff, you know, obviously that's not available for a hobby company because, you know, those software, they're super crazy, expensive. But since we have them, you know, why not use them? So we went ahead and made all those models.

So we have that, and that's part of the supervisory process that is doing, you know, checking what's going on with the health of the third one. It's the same. process that storage, the automotive stuff and things like that. And it will do that. So even that, I mean, if I started telling you all of the things that the servo... DOS and all of the features it has, I would spend five hours and I'm still not finished. Wait, you didn't tell us all the things yet?

Oh, no, not even. No, not even. It would, first, you know, and then besides, it would require most of, you know, somebody that is more knowledgeable and in the... in the electrical engineering side because it would require some understanding of some basic laws and stuff and a whole bunch of stuff. But that thing...

is definitely the most advanced piece of hardware in the hobby bar nothing. There's nothing in the hobby that comes close to that. And because we use the top craziest technology available. And then it's just, and something I like about it is that we're going to force the entire industry to get there activated and go like, okay, we need to update all the technology here. So we will probably see some effect on that, you know, which is something that I love because I love my hobby, you know.

And, well, that's... We said this, gosh, seven, eight years ago when, you know, FPV was very, very popular. And I think DShot came out. We were like, eventually this is going to trickle down to helicopters and airplanes. And it took however long it took, like seven, eight years. I don't know. But D-Shot's here for us to kind of use.

You know, you're saying that this is kind of going to be a similar effect. But this shot is not good enough. That's why we had to come up with the A shot. The A shot has a resolution that matches the stick. which the other one doesn't. Okay, that's important to understand. That's why we do it with an A-shot.

Okay, so with this A-Shot then, for one, you're going to actually have to make that available then to other manufacturers like flybarless controllers and whatnot for them to be able to... Absolutely, yeah. We're going to make that a protocol that will be open for people to... to understand and be able to make compatible things. It's pretty much similar to the D-Shot.

But it adds a couple of bits and additional telemetry and all kind of stuff like that. And if a transmitter... and receiver can handle the telemetry stuff, then they can send the screen on your radio information that is available from a Neo servo, you know, telemetry at the servo itself. So there's a lot of stuff. That's why I'm telling you guys, I cannot give you all the features in five hours. So I had to make a list.

just to remember and say, okay, we're going to pick up only the important ones because it's just too long. So a couple other questions then for one, because I keep thinking about the programmer and you're talking about the latest and greatest and all that kind of thing. So...

And you also were talking about, you know, joking about, you know, doing automatically and not connecting wires and so on and so forth. Of course, the programmer, you're still connecting with the cable. Are you looking to do some sort of thing like that wirelessly? And what about through maybe? a cell phone app or something like that as well or through the transmitter okay what I said the servo not disconnecting what I meant is that normally a programmer programs the servo

and then you have to unplug it, plug your server, test it, right? Yes, yes. You don't need to do that with this programmer because the programmer has an input from the receiver and an output to the server, right? Yes. And the input from the receiver allows you to... Control. So you're saying it's in line. It's not like... It's in line. Yeah, it's not... Yeah, you can work by itself. No, I understand that.

I'm more thinking, though, too, like, can you make, or is there talk of maybe making it so you can use your cell phone instead of the programming? Yeah, like Bluetooth or something. Or Bluetooth or, yeah. From the programming to the server so you don't have to unplug it from the near. Yeah. Plug it from the Neo. Oh, dude. From your fly barless. No, no. These servers have the built-in detachable connector. You don't need to unplug anything. You just go to a server.

But you're still technically unplugging it from the servo. Yeah, you're still disconnecting it from your fly bar. You go to the servo, right? You go to the servo, you unplug the servo, and then plug one side of the output of the program into the servo. and the input from the programmer to that wire that's coming from the receiver. You cannot have that simpler than that. So the programmer has two wires, right?

I'm sorry, a male and a female. The female goes into your cerebral. Once you unplug the thing from the cerebral, you plug that female into that. into the receiver one and the mail goes into the server and then you can you have it in line yeah i understand i understand that what i'm talking about though is is there talk of making it so you don't even need that programmer and use a cell phone app instead

where that just connects to the servo wirelessly. Okay. The servo does not have a wireless interface. Okay. And it cannot have it because that would require us to put... a transmitter and receiver inside the cell? Yes, yes, that would. Yeah, so no. At this point, no, okay. No, because not only that, that will also require us to get FCC approval for the servers and everything else. Yeah, that's right. We have to do that for the screen.

The screen does have, oh, the screen obviously has Wi-Fi. Oh, okay. Yeah, the screen connects directly to our servers and can download stuff. and download the new versions of the firmware report. You also have an account in the server where you can keep all the history in your cereals, everything, you can dump it on the thing so you can tell exactly when you bought it, serial number, how many miles, you know, in the angles and in time. I mean, for people that like to keep track of stuff, it's...

It's a dream come true, you know? You can tell what's going on with the servos. Here's another thought then too. What about programming the servo through the transmitter and the flybarless controller then? So you have an app on the transmitter then? Okay, the problem with that is that there is hardware that you need on the programmer. To talk to the chips inside the servo. Not only that, for instance, things like resets and through...

connection and things like that are actual hardware things that are inside the screen. The programmer is like an iPhone. It has all the things on Wi-Fi. and switches inside and connections. And it has a lot of stuff that cannot be done without the physical thing. So what you can do from the receiver... Let me think. I don't know. I will have to think about it. Something to think about anyways.

Yeah, I'm more just checking to see whether something like that has been thought about and whether that would be, you know, whether it's even, if it's not even possible, then it's not even possible, right? I mean, it's. But, or even maybe possible, just not practical. What are you trying to get from being able to read from the phone?

Well, I'm not even thinking that. I'm more thinking in terms of like, for example, one of the things that we've been, you know, gotten spoiled with and kind of started with VBAR is if we can fully program the whole fly barless controller through the transmitter, right?

So it would be nice then if we can do the same thing with the servos and program those using the transmitter. Right, we can program the ESCs now. Yeah, we can program ESCs through the transmitter, all those kind of things through the transmitter, and we don't even need. an external programming box and kind of a thing, right? Yeah. But there are things that require actions that...

a receiver cannot do because it doesn't have these hardware things that need to be for that to happen. The nice thing is, though, is like... If you did have time to work on it and make it happen, even if it's at a very limited capacity, with the ability to do the firmware update to the servo, any person who bought servos can just update it. when that becomes available instead of having to send, you know, six, 12 servos to the factory to get the new features.

If we come up with a way to do that, yeah, it would be on a what's the name? Firmware update. Firmware update. Yeah. I mean, even just something as simple as just centering the servos using the transmitter may not have full functions that you would get with the programmer. But even just some basic functions like just servo centering and something like that through the transmitter would be really nice. We might be able to do probably, but not in...

Okay. Okay. Let me give you an example. It's on your to-do list. Okay. I'll tell you why. Normally, like, you know, a servo has... processor, little processor that has 64K, that's like the larger ones, programming space. So the problems for a server are pretty small. You know, so they feed in 64K. Our server has four megabytes. Oh, wow. And it's full. Oh, jeez. Yeah. So we're talking about...

I don't know, half a million lines of code or something like that. So, because it is... I tell you, five hours would not be enough. That's why he said, what kind of sorcery is this? Because, God. Keep in mind. That just goes to my mind then too, as to why you're trying to do so much with hardware too, rather than using software. When you're having that much software running, the more you can do with hardware, the faster it's going to work too, right? Oh yeah, yeah.

But the hardware also, we made it so it can be... Like, for instance, when it's doing a D-shot... it is set up for D-Shot decoding. When it's doing pulse, it's set up for pulse decoding, things like that. So the hardware is also adjustable, so it's not a fixed thing. So, and things like that. But anyway, so it's that. And there might be a code running a thing and the other one. That's why when you ask me, I have to think about half a million lines of code.

That's why I'm like, let me think about it a little bit. Oh, come on, Augie. You can do anything. Dude, I have seen parts of the code that I was like, wow, look at that. I haven't seen that in forever. The hard drive in his head has to get to the right area of the disc. But you know what? At the end, something that is really, really enjoyable is... Seeing the reaction, you know, I saw the reaction of Jason when he tried it, and that made my year.

I tell you, because that's exactly what I was looking for. I was looking for something that would be what I've been enjoying myself for a while. And I said, when people get to try this thing, they're going to be like, holy smokes. And yeah, and when that happened to him, I was like, uh-huh, I told you you were going to be like, and there's still some stuff that he hasn't seen. There's some stuff that I told him.

When they arrive, you're going to love a few things that you haven't seen that are coming in. I think one of the things that blew my mind that I would have never expected was... In a lot of maneuvers, my time, my stick timing of like what I'm used to was flat wrong. Yeah. I had to readjust myself kind of like. I'm dating myself now. I went from like 72 megahertz to like a DX7 or like a DX7 to a DX7 SE. A lot of people at the time, they could tell the latency difference.

that same latency difference happened when I swapped to these servos and various, like multiple different maneuvers. I'm like, what? I'm not flying this thing correctly. Hmm. That happens, for instance, if you're doing pirouettes, you always are ahead of the pirouette in your inputs, right? If you want to make a change, you have to be a little bit ahead of it.

With this Cerebus, you have to actually do it almost at the spot. So it's weird. The first time you try it, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell was that? But then when you actually start using it, but when you start to use it, and then you can fly exactly where you're supposed to, oh, everything becomes so much easier because everything matches what you're looking at, what you're moving. Yeah, you're not having to put expo on yourself, essentially.

Exactly, yeah. Interesting. It is something else. It is definitely... I didn't want to talk about all this stuff before we had this podcast because... It requires some time to explain. It is not a normal thing. You have to actually experience it to understand it. It is something that you'll see once you start listening. So I know we had Jason do a lot of testing and we know Jason does Rotorfly. So would we, like for VBAR folks, would they...

also experience like an immediate Oh yeah, yeah. I'm telling you things that I do with my V-Bar stuff. Yeah, but this is your service. Of course you can hype it up, and it's the best. No, no, no, no, for real. You do know me, dude. You know that I am a scientist, dude. I don't... I just go for, you know, I block my measuring stuff and send everything to 100. Let's go. But the thing is that I use my servos and everything, and I'm using them at 1,000 hertz, even higher than with the V-bar.

The V-wire is just insane with that thing. You know, it takes advantage of all that. So it's- Interesting. Oh, yeah. You will know. It is a lot of fun, I tell you that. And it's a lot of fun. Cool. What's your next fun fly? I want to try it. On your alley, though. Yeah, yeah. Give him the 14-cell monster of the tray. 14-style Mastro. Oh, it's 14-style Mastro. I don't have 6, 3,000 head speed.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Well, you know, Augie always has been a high head speed guy, so... Yeah. I would just take his helicopter and just go to that, you know, head speed dial and just...

Let's roll it down. You know, lately I've been doing a lot of low-speed, low-head-speed flying. You keep telling me this. I haven't seen that yet. Oh, yeah. I did it at... A year ago, at the Oregon one, I started doing... Sure, the one that I wasn't at, of course. Yeah, the one that you were not at. And I did an entire thing in low speed. I was doing 1,600 or 1,400, something like that. Oh, come on. That's not low speed. That's not low head speed. For Augie, that's super low.

i want to see 900 to a thousand rpm head speed no no that's that's low i'm talking about doing doing like uh period hurricanes and stuff like that and you know But because it's low head speed, you can do it on the deck. And I did the whole entire flight. Somebody came to me and he said, I didn't know you could flight like that. I said, why? Because, you know, it's in 2700 RPM and the thing is that rocket.

So yeah, because that's for my adrenaline thing, but this is more for my enjoyment of maneuvers and stuff like that. But yeah, I've been doing a lot of low speed flying, except when I need to do testing. the service, something like that, then I go completely, completely crazy. I'm just like, I don't know, very, very... unsafe speed. If nobody has ever seen you fly before and you go full Augie, it's like, it would probably scare them, to be honest. I don't think I have done it in any fun fly.

No, I haven't. It's something we have done, you and me. But, you know, it's... Yeah, one of these days I'll do it. So... One day, what I... I'm actually just going to disconnect your tail push rod and just let you do it. Remember that happened at San Diego. I lost the tail of, uh, of this, uh, No, no, no. Okay, hold on. I'm going to stop you. Not lost. You chopped the whole boom off the helicopter. And I kept flying it. You were flying a flying saucer. Literally. Flying saucer. Remember that?

Nice. And I was like, God the hell, who cares about a tail? And I started flying. It was hilarious. I was like, okay, I guess I have to keep flying. So I flew it and I landed. Nice. Do you remember Kyle when he did that?

Oh, I remember that flight. That was so much fun. So Jason, how long have you had the servos now? Oh gosh. Two? Two months? Okay. Have you had much chance to really play with some of the settings then and whatnot since then? Cause you talked about what it was like when you first plugged them in, but have you had a chance to really play around and actually fine tune things? I mean, really there's, there's no need. Um, especially like I don't use.

like your normal plastic serve arm that most people would want to do the centering with the device. I use the expert arms, which are mechanically zero sub trim, so you just loosen a screw. move it to where center is and then tighten the clamping screw. So I literally just took everything off the helicopter server-wise, put the new ones on, programmed it, and left it. There was no need for me to mess with the program or anything like that. That's nice to know.

Because even with something like some of the Thetas guys are saying, you know, it's a good idea to go make some adjustments and whatnot. So it's nice to know that there's probably no need to do that. You can, because then you can just, you don't even need to go and get the programmer. You can just plug them in and go, right? Yeah, yeah.

with the Thetas, you would change the amperage to get more power or whatever. It's not needed with these, to my knowledge. Yeah, I don't need that. That's nice to know. By the way, something that you mentioned, When you're adjusting those parameters, you know, for the centering in this and the programmer, You can click on the decimal that you want to adjust because this thing has, as you probably saw in a video, every degree has 62.5 divisions. So you can actually be...

crazy precise on that. So you can select what decimal you want to change when you're going up and down. So you can be so precise. It's insane. Super, super precise. But isn't there, I mean, there's always going to be inherently a tiny little bit of slop and gears and whatnot. Yeah. So is that really going to, you know, are we. Is that really needed kind of a thing, I guess, is the question, when we have a little bit of slop in there anyways? Yeah.

several people to make gears that have almost no slop and uh because of that precisely so that is part of the several too um and uh and uh but Even with slop, so this applies to all the servos, the sentry and all those things, don't forget that the servo is never loose. It's always on the load. the servo will have a pressure towards one of the torque directions. So your precision will still work, even if you have a slot. It doesn't matter what servo brand is.

If you adjust the things, you know, they will have precision that will apply during flight because they are never... They're always towards one of the ends. And I've even seen some people, they will bend the collective one way or the other when they're measuring it with the pitch gauge.

So say without bending it with their hands, it's like 13.5. And they force it down and it goes to 12.5. They'll then increase the parameter to get 13.5 under their hand load for the same reason that you just explained. I see. Okay. Yeah. With this one, you're not going to be able to do any hand anything. It's too powerful.

Yeah, those things are. Oh, yes, and something I've got to reveal. So when we announced the whole line of servers, right? We have the low profile, and that low profile, we actually moved it to the cars, to the crawlers, because what we did was we made an even lower profile. that has identical, identical specs as the regular size. So it has the same torque, same speed, everything. Because we are able to put together a set of gears.

that match exactly in the ratio of the other one for the low profile. And we were able to shorten the height of the server. So now we have a low-profile server that has the exact same specs as the other one. So that's coming. That's already on the way here. We do have them here, but not in volume. The volume ones are on the way here. Same weight and whatnot, too? Or they could actually be lighter in weight than two? No, they're lighter, obviously, because they're smaller. Nice. Ooh, nice.

So that one is... Now you're speaking my language. Lightweight. Yeah. So the one is going to be called... So remember we have Thunder... So this is going to be a mini-thunder, and this is the low-profile thunder. The other one is going to go for cars because you don't need 80 kilograms on a helicopter. Yeah, that, yeah. So we have a whole bunch of new software. We have a new server for the S2s and the M2s.

You know, we have a whole bunch of new stuff that we didn't announce yet. You know, it's a whole, it's a beautiful line of products. A lot of people are going to have fun with them. Nice. Yeah. We also have a line of coreless servos. Like brushed coreless? Sorry? Corliss. Yeah, because a lot of people use Corliss servos.

for helicopters that they want to use for like practicing and stuff like that. And they don't want to spend, you know, they want to spend like 70 bucks, 80 bucks in a server or something like that. Yeah, much lower cost. Yeah, and so we're going to give them, you know, the highest possible quality we can do on that price range, you know, and still using positive N-type fetch, which is a huge...

thing for coreless servos. That is important for coreless servos. So, things like that. There is so much, I mean... Those are coming down the road yet still, though. Those aren't coming immediately soon. They're coming in a ways yet? No, no, they're coming soon. We actually have a product here. So the thing is that you were thinking that we're... keep in mind we've been working on this thing for it's actually more exactly almost three years you know that we've been working on that um and um so

Even if you see things like, how come they were able to come up with all those things so quick? No, no, it wasn't quick. Believe me, it took a long time to get all that stuff going. I think people don't always realize just how much research and development and whatnot goes on in the background. A lot of that kind of thing. When do you think? Come on, you can just put that up in a couple hours. That's five minutes for Augie. Come on.

It's like AI now. Come on. That's really easy there. Yeah, right. No, it's double because you have to fact check that damn thing. Yeah. That stuff is scary, you know. I have tried. And some things, it's good for some things, but mostly for websites and stuff like that. But for embedded development, no, it's not there yet. Because you're not dealing with, oh, it's a bad image. No, this thing is creating a short circuit. It's completely different. So yeah, it's a whole different approach.

Well, anyway, so that's basically what we can do within our limited timeframe as far as information. So what's projected date? Do you have an idea as to when you're hoping to get them out? Well, they get here, and we put the electronics in and the programming, and then we ship. You know, we got... orders for the dealers and also for IceGuard. So you're going to be selling it through your site? Yeah, we always sell, you know. Your distributors will get it too, right? Your dealers, right?

Yeah, so everybody can buy from there. Are we expecting, are you expecting a 2025 or 2026 release here? I mean, we are getting close to the end of 2025 too, so. Oh no, no, these things are like literally in transit to us. Just pray to the custom gods that don't let go. Yes. Now we're using DDP, which is we're paying everything ahead. Because we have learned from... previous import. We import a lot of electronics, electronic parts and stuff. So we learn, you know, you have, I don't know.

10 million components of whatever. You don't want to have that stuff in custom. So what we do is we buy from the factories and they ship with the duties prepaid. So we did the same with the factory for the CNC people over there. We said, this is the way we're going to do it. This is the free forwarder that we need you to use because they will do the whole declarations and everything done in there.

And that's the way they're coming. So they're arriving without having to go. I mean, customs should not be a problem. There has never been every time we use ADP. It should not be an issue. I would assume we'll get here. I think if they get here, because they're coming in a 25-day... mode. Because otherwise the price would be crazy. So it should be here, I think it's the next week. Let me see. No, no. The week after next. That's when they are right here. Cool.

So maybe Merry Christmas. Yeah, yeah. We'll probably be able to do something by Christmas, something like that. Nice. Hopefully, anyways. Yeah, yeah. I don't see anything... All the kinks have basically been knocked out. Yeah. So... All of the boards and everything is ready, populated, and ready to install. That's another thing. This kind of technology is not something you send overseas to make.

Because it is too complex. So where is this made? Is it made in America? Yeah, the electronics are made here in the United States in our factory. Awesome. It makes all the other stuff. Nice. Yeah, it's a mix between American-made stuff and China-made stuff, you know? Yeah, yeah, China-made components. I mean, obviously, but... So the last bit is here, right? Like the last component. Yeah, like final assembly. Yeah, so the server right here has everything, the motors, everything else.

So the only thing they need is the PC board that goes on top, you know, and the programming. Nice. So that's what we do here. So they arrive, we put that, and then we ship, you know, test. We have to do some... They already are doing mechanical... testing. They put it in some ovens and they run it for a full day back and forth, you know, in the motors to make sure that the motors and the mechanics are good.

And then we do a similar thing here with electronics, because there is a probabilistic distribution of electronics that say that if they're going to fail, they're going to fail in the first four hours. for this type of electronics. So we run them a full day mature. And that way we can tell if there is any early failures. They usually are taken care of by that.

And when something like that fails, it actually fails in about 20 minutes, half an hour a day. It doesn't take that long. But we still do a whole day. Yeah, it's a normal practice on electronics manufacturing to do those things. Awesome. And there's something else that we're going to be doing, but I will not tell you about it yet. It will be fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. You'll see. It's exciting and fun. I love my hobby so much.

I enjoy this so much. Something stupid that I don't think you probably put on your list to talk about, but the servo cables, you have what? Two different lengths? Three different lengths? I think I saw three. They come with the, I think it's 300 millimeter long ones to get regular stock. And you can buy, actually those we can see in there.

rc.com website because i don't remember the actual yeah i was looking i was looking at it i think i while you're talking there i think i saw 330 i saw 180 and i think a 220 or something like that i think i saw three sizes yeah yeah And is there anything special with the cables, like the X-Guard DC cables you have? I don't know if you saw the video. The servers are fireproof. Sorry, the servers are fireproof.

okay nice light uh light on fire and they will not melt challenge accepted I mean so yeah I mean if you're if you're using key shrink to cover up wires basically won't be an issue And most people will take a lighter to melt the heat drink. The reason why people have seen, why is that? Because if you have never had a fire in a helicopter, then you will learn why that is important.

Remember the one that we landed with the castle cremation thing, my most row? Remember that? We didn't take a single flight without catching fire. Oh, yes. I remember that. I was going to say, I don't remember a fire, but we definitely flew Castle Cremations for a long time. No, it happened here in the flight here in Snohomish.

I flew a, you know, I was like, I have that thing, so I put it on an author and I went to black. So, and those had the copper, you know, the whatever the thing, the black thing that I put it. And, oh, man, they got destroyed because it's just too much heat, you know. So, yeah, that's for that. And they're also 20 gauge. That's another thing that's important, 20 gauge.

Oh, that's thicker than those servo wires, yeah. Yeah, they're like, you know, it's like, you know, let me check my list of things that I would love to have on a servo, and they were all checked. You know, that actually makes me think of another question.

One of the things that I would think then for a servo like what you're making and what coming out with now, I wonder whether now the weak point is going to become the servo connector because those servo connectors are not really rated for high current. Yeah. Well, that is something that I... You're talking about the pins, right? Yeah, the pins and the actual servo connector that plugs into your receiver or fly barless controller or whatever.

I'll tell you how that will solve the problem. When you have peaks of current, those peaks of currents are the only moment where these things are that much current, right? So what you do is you use the servo cable to feed a reservoir, and then the servo uses those peaks from the reservoir inside the servo so it doesn't stress the connectors. Okay. See, I told you, five hours would not be enough.

There's another one. So that's one of those. You're kind of saying like the servo cable itself in a way is like a little tiny capacitor. No, not the servo. Oh, the servo inside the servo, yeah. Or something inside. Yeah, usually large capacitors that can handle those speeds without stressing the connectors themselves, because that was a worry that I have, too. Well, yeah, and that's why I wonder, too, whether maybe that needs to be another...

Another change in our hobby is different serial connectors that may be better. Those are the things that I was telling you before. I had to be hours telling you things like that because it's just so many.

It's so, so many. We actually had a special potentiometer, well, not a potentiometer, a whole effect sensor built for us. It's actually a new product for the... people that make those things, because I said to them, okay, this is what we're doing. We need to have this in a potentiometer format. And you guys have to make that for us. So we actually paid for the development of that. And that's what we're using to measure the angle. Because we wanted to get 14 beats, which was not available.

And so they made that for us. And that part, for instance, is installed at the factory there, because it's part of the whole mechanical section of that. So even that, you know, we had components that were designed by us and made for us so we could have those things. There is so much stuff that we have to... But it's, you know, it's just a way you have to do it if you want to redo the whole thing. That's why people call me, it's not really a server, it's something else.

We call it the mechanical actuator for reduced scale models. That's what it is in reality. Well, I think we're running pretty long here. We should probably bring this thing to a close here. Yeah, all my questions are answered. Yep, same here. Awesome. Frank fell asleep. I did. I was lost there for a second. I was so lost, I'm like, what?

I reviewed three sets of drawings. I'm caught up for tomorrow. I want to give a huge thanks to Jason and Augie for coming on the show. Thank you guys for having us. I really enjoyed this podcast. I will do it. And tell Javier that he needs to get off of those nitro helis. Yeah, yeah, those nitros, you know, nitro woes. So yeah, if people wanted to get in touch with you and talk further about Eon Servos or get more information about them, what's a good way? Mostly on Facebook.

Talk to me and say, I'm open, you know, I am open to that. And I am the kind of person that actually gets on phone calls with people because I am old school when it comes to... to that because typing to me is a very low speed form of communication and you lose also the the human touch of a conversation. And that's why sometimes people send me stuff and I call them back. You just go like, okay, so blah, blah, blah, whatever. If somebody wants to...

They can send me a text or something like that on Messenger, on Facebook. And if you want me to call you back, I can call you back. Not a problem. Nice. All right. And Jason, is A-Main going to be carrying these? Yeah, we will. I think they're actually still up on the website for pre-order. So if anybody's interested, you can check them out at our site.

at Xcard's site or anywhere else that's going to be carrying them. Yeah. You guys are doing some videos, right? They told me that somebody is doing videos. Yeah, we have our video guy, Brett, mostly a car guy. Oh, that's why we were saying the car service, right? Yeah, he's going to check them out and put them in I don't know what car, but dude, definitely. review for the car guys. Yeah, we did that with two of the top pilots at, what's the name of that? Die Hard RC.

And they were also blown away by that. I was like, stop abusing my truck. We were going crazy with it. Ah, the thing too, so much hits. Because they were completely mad with that. They were just like, do you guys normally drive like that? Not really, but I'm having too much fun. Okay. Nice. Oh my God, they were crazy. Awesome.

Cool. All right. Cool. All right, guys. So I really appreciate your opportunity for us to come to your podcast. Yeah, we'll be having a good time. Yeah, a really good time. It was fun, too. It was, you know, it's always good when I get together with you guys. Awesome. Cool. All right. All right. Darren, Frank, you want to do any contact info? RCHellyDarren at gmail.com. Yeah. Frank on the Hangout.

Yeah, Steve on Facebook. Yeah. Done. Cool. All right. All right. Thanks, everyone. Take care. See you later, guys.