¶ Intro / Opening
Hello everyone , I'm Steve Davenport . I'm talking to you today on Skeptic's Guide to Investing and I'm here with Clem Miller and Clem just got back from almost a month trip to Canada where he was driving all the way to the easternmost point of North America and checking out where the
¶ Welcome to Skeptic's Guide to Investing
Vikings landed and checking out puffins and checking out whales . But I think that as we go through the show and we try to look for guests and we try to look for experiences , that will help listeners .
It would be great if we could transmit a little bit of knowledge about some of these countries we visit , so that you could learn more about those countries and ultimately , you might become a better investor , because you'll consider investing in some of these countries and investing in some of the values or some of the things that they do well , because ultimately ,
we don't know where everybody's going to find the best company and what we're trying to do is give you a broader perspective so that your investment IQ will be improved .
So , clem , if we look at your trip as a journey of a lifetime you've been talking about doing it for a long time I love the fact that you did it , and you did it on your own and you just kind of said I want to do this and I'm going to go .
I love that attitude one because I think that most people would say I really want to go , but I'm going to stay home . That's the 80% and the 20% of you that actually go do it . So what is it about Canada and what is it about this trip that has been on your mind for so long and what you know ? What is it that pushed you over the edge ?
Well , you know that's interesting and interesting question , steve , and I would go back to the fact and this , I think , is relevant for our audience in a very profound sense , I think and that is , if you are interested in travel , you're interested in adventure .
¶ Planning for Adventure and Retirement
Then you know , make plans in your life that would allow you to have the time and the energy and the money to do that , and so that means planning for retirement , a retirement that would allow you to do that , and planning for it . You know , planning even for a retirement that's relatively early , so that you still have the energy to do these things .
Or plan your career so that you know you're not a workaholic , right , and you have time to be able to do some of these things to our audience in terms of making their decisions about their careers and lives , to be able to make time for the things that they want to do , whether it's travel , slash , adventure or some other thing that our audience might want to
do . So I would start off by saying that Now , with respect to this particular trip , you know I like taking trips . Since retiring , I've been on several cross-country US trips . I've been to France for a month , for five weeks , I've been to Japan for a month , and then now this trip up north into Canada , and then now this trip up north into Canada .
The reason I chose eastern Canada was because I wanted to see , I wanted to go north . I like the idea of going north in the summertime and experiencing , you know , sort of different , cooler climates . So that's number one .
Number two , uh , in late May and early June , when you go up to uh , to Newfoundland and Labrador , which is where I went to uh , you have uh the ability to uh experience icebergs , uh and puffins , which are cute little birds that kind of resemble penguins but with bright noses , bright beaks , and also whales , and so I saw all those things , as well as moose
and caribou I saw them as well . And also Newfoundland and Labrador have interesting histories and culture . So , for example , everybody talks about Christopher Columbus discovering America . Well , even before Christopher Columbus , you had the Vikings coming over to northern Newfoundland and , of course , meeting up with the Native Americans who were there already .
Of course they were there already , but the Vikings were the first Europeans that we know of who actually came to North America . They had a colony of some 60 to 100 people
¶ Icebergs, Puffins, and Canadian History
that they maintained for about 30 years . I found that kind of interesting .
But , uh , I also went to a unesco world heritage site that was a basque whaling station and the basque would come and uh and cut up their whales on the shore and take oil and send it back to europe and they , they created a , they created a little community there that was so , uh , basque in nature that they use the same kinds of red , you know , red curved
ceiling tiles that you'll see in Spain and France , and there's a whole , there's a whole slew of those things , you know , still on the beaches there . This is in red Bay , labrador , about 51st parallel .
So , yeah , so it was a lot of driving and I saw a lot of things , got lots of great pictures and , and you know , it was , you know , obviously primarily a , you know , a travel adventure trip .
But you know , you pick up some interesting things as you go along and you know , perhaps I can share some of those , some of those interesting economic and business and political implications .
So yeah , I mean , I think it's interesting that you talk about traveling with such reverence and I know you did a lot of travel for your job and that's what I've heard from people is , if you get a chance for work to go to five places and you add a day on either end , you know what I mean .
It's a great way for you to say , hey , a company is paying for me to be here . I'm going to do what I have to for my company , but I'm also going to learn what I can think about and desire out of my life after I finish work .
So I think it's about you should be constantly have your head up and looking at things and saying , gee , what about this , what about this ? And I think that's part of how we grow as a culture and how we grow as individuals is to look for opportunities and try to take them . I think the most important thing for people is patience and planning .
If you want these things to happen , you need to start early , you need to do what you can and you can also make choices . You know you can stay in hostels . You can stay in . You know you can travel in places that are just economically a lot more . Your dollar is going to go a lot further . You're helping that country , You're helping tourism .
Yeah , I think there's a lot of good reasons for travel and I believe that the more we travel , the better we become as citizens of the global economy . So can you give us , like your itinerary or just a high level of , say , your top three spots and like where you traveled from and to and you know ?
in Canada on this trip .
Yeah , cause we were up in Seattle and one time we took a trip , a ferry , over to Bainbridge , yeah , and it's this little Island in the middle of the bay . Yeah , I've been there and the ferry cost like 350 each way and , you know , to do a tour of the bay cost 30 dollars .
And so , being the , the Yankee , um consciously frugal individual , I said let's take the ferry and have lunch in Bainbridge and come back , yeah , and it was the best 350 we ever spent . And I mean , tell me about what thrilled you or what made you happiest in this .
So I planned this trip purposefully for late May , early June , and the reason for that is because you have a very short period of time in that window of opportunity to see icebergs that have come down from Greenland , to see puffins who come to breed and give birth , lay their eggs in , you know , you know , along the , along the rocks , along the coasts , and
also to see , uh , whales that are coming up . So the whales are , you know , we're just beginning to arrive , and the icebergs , uh , you know , I saw sort of in the middle of their peak , um , so saw lots and lots and lots of icebergs on this trip . So I wanted to see all those things and there's really only a narrow period in which to do it .
And also this was a period when , when Newfoundland and Labrador were coming out of their winter season , at least it felt still felt like winter from my perspective , coming from Baltimore , maryland , but they never get like Baltimore-type weather up there .
I think the warmest they get is like perhaps in the 60s or maybe early low 70s , but when I was there it was mostly in the 50s , going down into the 40s at night , and the icebergs certainly send a chill uh over the land . So those are the things I really wanted to see .
I wanted to experience , uh , you know , the icebergs , the puffins , the whales , and got to see a lot of moose and also one lone caribou . So so , yeah , so a lot of things to see and also , also , um , you know , culture . Now , I knew newfoundland had a strong irish affinity .
There's a lot of irish settled in newfoundland and the uh and newfoundland , uh , you know , still has the people there still speak with an Irish accent . They call it the Newfie accent , but they still speak with an Irish accent . Brogue , yeah , kind of a yeah brogue , you could say . But there's also French influences there and English influences .
Interestingly enough , there's a place called Cupid's C-U-P-I-D-S which in the US , nobody knows about . Do you know about it ? No , I don't .
Is that where people go to get ?
married Cupid's , was the first English colony , first permanent English colony settlement in Canada . So it was in 1610 , which is one year after Jamestown and 10 years before Plymouth Rock , which is one year after Jamestown and 10 years before Plymouth Rock . So , yeah , so they were in Newfoundland trying to settle Newfoundland .
And even before that English colony , in 1610 , the French were all over Newfoundland and they were not that they were settling , really colonizing , but they had , you know , they , they use the French shores around Newfoundland . In fact they were actually called the French shore and they .
There was a political agreement , a treaty that allowed them to , to , to use the shores for fishing , for drying their fish , repairing nets and that kind of thing , Even after the Newfoundland became an English colony . Well , so , so yeah , Newfoundland has a very interesting history . Of course it has Native American influences as well .
You know , still small Native American population in Newfoundland .
I heard you became a new fee officially yeah , yeah .
Well , they have this honorary , uh , new fee ceremony called the screeching , where you have to , uh , you have to chug , uh , well , not chug , but you have to take a shot of their , uh , their screech rum , which is a extremely powerful stuff but tasted very good it . It was very sweet actually . Did you screech ? No , didn't screech . All right , didn't screech .
Do you have that on your passport , or is there a special little star that you get ?
No , but anyway , so very interesting and , um , you know , just , you know a few things that you know on the more serious kind of side that I observed . So , for one thing , when clearly the Canadian
¶ Cultural Observations and Political Climate
government is concerned about Trump , uh , to some extent the people are people aren't willing to really talk too much about politics . I didn't invite it , I didn't like go up to people and talk to them about politics , but I only had a couple of people approach me and ask me for my opinion .
But it was interesting that at the border , the border guard on the Canadian side going in asked me do you have any guns in the car ? Which you know it's pretty , I think , standard question , right , do you have any guns in the car ? Then they asked do you have any guns at home ?
And I thought that was interesting because I think what they were trying to uh get out of me was you know , are you , um , are you a Trumper who feels that Canada should be part of the U ?
S and uh , and so whether I have a gun at home or not may indicate to them that uh , you know that I come from a particular political uh perspective , so that's how I guessed it . But you know , then again , in Canada people do have rifles , right , hunting rifles . So it's not like hunting isn't unknown to Canadians , right ?
Anyway , so that was one thing I observed . As I mentioned , the people aren't , you know don't want to talk too much about politics I also observed that the roads up there are in horrible shape compared to US roads and you know , obviously they have tough winters , tougher winters than we do in the US .
But I mean , these roads didn't look like they had been repaired for multiple seasons . So I have to believe that that has something to do with , you know , limited fiscal resources .
So I haven't looked into the , into all the details of that , but you know , it does take money to repair roads and these roads , you know , were often in disrepair and there were many places where there were crews repairing them . But you know , the , the , the task would be overwhelming , since it was so there was so many potholes on all the roads .
It just uh , just a very interesting , um , you know , interesting uh aspect , I think , to uh , to traveling into Canada , or at least into that part of Canada . So that was , that was one thing , uh , I noticed .
The other thing I noticed is that is that when I went to some of the touristy locations that , like on iceberg boats , whale boats , um the unesco world heritage sites , I didn't see any real . I didn't see any americans . There were no Americans there . Really there were .
I would say it was 80 to 90% Canadian from other Canadian provinces who were traveling within Canada . And I think there were , you know , some like French , from France , uk , irish , you know , but you know well , under 10% . But it was mostly other Canadians traveling to Newfoundland , people who have never been to Newfoundland who are from .
You know , I met a lot of folks from Alberta , for example , and British Columbia , ontario . I remember one time on the boat , on one of the boats , the captain asked everybody on the boat . On one of the boats , the captain asked everybody on the boat how many of you are from Ontario and three quarters of the boat said they were from Ontario .
So yeah , so Canadians were doing a lot of internal travel and that's because Canada perhaps not surprising has developed an increased sense of self-identity and nationalism in response to the threats from the South .
An example right when you , when you go to a McDonald's and there are some McDonald's up there in Canada when you go into McDonald's they have on the screens . You know , canadian owned , all Canadian product , right ? I mean it's all they emphasize that the product is from canada .
They have a and w root beer , which I hadn't seen in forever down here , but they have a and w up there , lots of them , and they emphasize that it's all canadian owned .
So , of course , tim hortons I was gonna ask you those donuts , pretty good .
Hopefully you weren't on any kind of a diet . When you went by I didn't see any Dunkin' Donuts up there , I saw only Tim Hortons . But you know it's .
¶ Canadian Resources and Investment Potential
So , yeah , I think , connection to Ireland and the UK and and , uh , and you know , in Quebec there is to France . So I , I see , based on that observation , uh , I see there being uh , a uh prospect for closer coordination between Canada and the EU going forward and with the UK .
So I see , you know , whether it be on the political front , military front , economic front , I see , you know , canada being more integrated with Europe , okay , with the uk and with the the rest of europe .
So , um , I , I've always looked at canada as really being like five countries . You know what I mean . Like you've got the quebec french part , you've got the what I'll call the maritime areas . You know I've been to pei , I've been to nova scia . I love the Bay of Fundy scallops . Yeah , I just think that that whole area has its own .
You know , it's an own province and it's like completely different than Western Canada where it's about the cowboys , it's about the land , it's about the energy , and I almost think they have forged good relations with Asia , because I think that there are a lot of Chinese and other nationalities that look at it and say I can't get to America , but I might be able
to get into Canada .
Right , toronto and Vancouver are .
Toronto and Vancouver are the kind of hotspots to . How do you get to more freedom , more nature , more of a different type of lifestyle ?
So that creates a connection to Asia too . I didn't see that on my particular trip Right . Yeah , ontario and British Columbia , they have their connections to Asia . I think you know , alberta .
Let me just tell one story . One of the scariest things that ever happened to me was we were in our car coming down a mountain , somewhere between Montreal and Vermont I think and behind us were trucks filled with pine trees and these trucks were going down these you know hilly roads and we're just sitting there going .
This guy's brakes go , we're just going to be pancake . You know what I mean . Like you could feel the like . The road wasn't very well paved and they were bouncing along on it and you're like , geez , how do we not hear about truckers going off the road with these loads ? That just looked enormous .
And I'm thinking , gee , I don't know , is this the same as a guy who's a trucker and he takes the milk from the hood factory to ? You know , western Worcester you know what I mean Like being a trucker has very , very different definitions based on your landscape and what you're , what you're trucking .
And I just thought like look at all these trees .
They're cutting . But then you look around and you say look at all the trees . They have .
Well , you're onto a really good point , steve , and that is that there's a ton of resources in Canada . There are in the US too , but Canada has a lot more , I think , in terms of lumber , in terms of energy resources . Well , US has a lot of energy resources , but Canada certainly does , too Mineral resources .
Yeah , rare earths ? Yeah , rare earths . Uranium there's a lot of mineral resources yeah , rare earths .
Yeah , rare earths , uranium . There's a lot of mineral resources in Canada .
Number one producer of aluminum right .
Because of the . Yeah , aluminum by content value is 80% electricity . So when you have a big hydro capability , as they do in Quebec , you can make a lot of aluminum . So , yeah , there are a lot of resources in Canada , and that's from an investment perspective . I think Canada really has to be on your radar screen .
As far as mineral resources are concerned , there's no question about that , and to some extent , energy resources are concerned . Um , there's no , there's no question about that and and to some extent , energy resources as well .
And uh , doesn't it offer a good like . It's got a pretty good legal system . It's pretty good court system . Oh yeah , I mean , in terms of shareholder rights , we talk about China and not knowing what your rights are Canada as a as a part of the British Empire .
I mean we've got to say that their legal system and court system would probably be equal to our better .
Well-established common law system in Canada , just like in the UK , Australia , New Zealand . So all those countries are highly invested .
If we had a choice to go north or go south , I'd be more suspect about the gangs and the violence in Mexico than I am about the . I don't know what I worry about from Canada .
Well , that's the exact point . What would you worry about from Canada ? That's why you would invest there .
I think that I would worry that I was getting the . You know , if I'm looking for a technology company , I don't think I'd go to Canada .
If I'm looking for a company that is in natural resources or basic materials or chemicals or something that involves , you know , a good deal of energy or , like you said , a good deal of resources , yes , I think I'd probably get good value from companies in Canada .
But can I ask you in the last five , can you give me your three favorite moments of your trip , and then we'll end on ? You know what I mean , what we think is important about travel .
So I think my three favorite moments of the trip . I think that one of them was seeing my first iceberg . I thought that was , you know .
After that I saw lots more icebergs , but seeing my first iceberg on the ferry from , from Nova Scotia to to Newfoundland no , sorry , my first iceberg on the on the from Newfoundland to Labrador OK , that's where I saw my first one was very exciting , and so after that I saw many , many more icebergs , took some iceberg tours . I thought that was , you know , that
¶ Trip Highlights and Final Thoughts
was a real , a real highlight to see that first iceberg . The second one was the puffins . And you know , one morning I went to see to this place in Newfoundland called Elliston , which is where there's a puffin colony , big puffin colony and I went in the afternoon and I saw a few puffins at a distance .
Then the next day I went in the morning and there were millions of them and they were all like watching over their all puffing out . They were all watching over their broods and the place where people watched from was from a , was from a , uh , a rocky outcrop , uh , that faced a stack , which is where the puffins were .
And when I was there in the morning there were actually puffins on the , the uh human side of the divide and uh , and that's where I got some really great uh photos and videos of uh , of puffins . I was about 10 , 10 , 15 feet away from , uh , you know , from the puffin family and from another random puffin .
I was about 10 , 10 , 15 feet away from , you know , from the puffin family and from another random puffin and you know some others . So that was , that was , I think , a second highlight of the trip .
A third highlight is probably being screeched in , as I mentioned earlier , being made an honorary Newfoundland citizen , although I would put that , you know , maybe third or fourth , and the other one would be the would be seeing the whale , and there's a whole story to seeing that whale which we don't have time to talk about , but it's , it was .
You know I undertook a particular strategy to go see that whale .
All right , that sounds good . I'm going to try to put some of the pictures into the overview for this podcast to see if I can add them . Okay , I'm not sure I can , but I'm going to .
I might do a special LinkedIn post that includes some of them too . Okay , At some point .
I think that you know again , this podcast is here to help listeners improve their investment IQ , and part of that is about wealth and not just about your investment portfolios , just about your investment portfolios .
And it sounds like what clint did going on this trip uh , traveling up there and just doing it um , is an inspiration to a lot of people , because I think a lot of people want to travel and want to do things . And I guess I'd say what would you rate this trip ?
Uh one to ten in terms of travel , ten being the best , yeah , ten being the best , yeah , 10 being the best . When's the worst trip you ever went ?
on . I would say 10 , 9 , 10 . Okay .
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