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Jason. Yes. Jason, it's Tuesday night. Normally we record this. Whoa. Tuesday morning. Whoa. But we said. We got to record this Tuesday night. Zuri made us do it. There were a bunch of important games on. He said, we got to do it. So that's what's happening right now. It's very late. As we are recording right now, three of the four games have concluded. We're watching the end of the Clippers.

Nuggets game. The Clippers are getting run off the court. Well, lightly run. 13-14 point game. Still third quarter, so we'll see. Yeah, Zuri made us do this. You know what, Zuri? What convinced me was that Zuri came to my house with a gun. Uh-huh. Yeah. And he said... you're fucking doing this. Yeah. He didn't point it, but he kind of, he did the thing where he opened it and he just flashed it. Yeah. And he said, so you're going to be there tonight, right? And I've said.

Yes, sir. I'll be there. Yeah. See, I got a version of that because I'm in San Antonio. He's in LA. So he just sent me a picture of what it looked like. I'm not certain if this is what it is, but it looked like. And then a picture of that. And then a Google Maps picture of my house. And then he just let me connect the dots from there. So here we are. We got a lot of it. We're here. We're here.

We got a lot of show to get to. Should we just get right into it? Should we just start the show? Let's go.

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We come through all the NBA news from the past week and hand out six pop culture themed trophies for six basketball related activities. And this episode. Teams are getting eliminated from the playoffs. All that and more. Let's hand out some trophies. Shaq came out of his shoes. During halftime of the... Giannis almost fought Tyrese Halliburton's dad. And by the way, Tyrese Halliburton's dad would have deserved the fame. All that and more!

We did two sets of trophies, the big trophies and the little trophies, the big trophies are first. These ones are the same every week. First up, the Denzel Washington and Training Day trophy given out to whoever it is who had the best overall performance of the week. This week's winner. The Thunder, the Cavs, the Pacers, the Celtics for winning their first round playoff series. Congratulations to those teams. No surprises.

No, not at all. I think the only pseudo surprise was the Pacers beating the Bucs in five. We figured the Pacers were going to win. We thought it was going to go a little bit longer, but Dame goes down. Oh, man. In a situation emblematic of the entire book's season, it felt like. Yeah. Right? When they start to get it going a little bit, somebody goes down. In this case, poor Dame, our beloved Dame. We love Dame.

I don't know what happens from here. He said he would be back. I'm inclined to believe him. When he talks, I listen. So that part sucked. But again. Thunder Cavs, Pacers, Celtics, they all win their first round playoff series. No surprises. We knew this was going to happen, Jason. We're perfect every time. Anything stand out to you?

From these, I'll tell you what stood out to me was- Okay, you give me one and I'll give you one. I'll give you one for both the Thunder Grizzlies series and the Cavs Heat series. And that is that those- were overmatched series. The Thunder... Not even close. Never... The Thunder... Just seemed to kind of, almost like a child picking the wings off a fly, seemed to enjoy just like wrecking ball, destroying the grizzlies.

The heat just don't have enough firepower. Not at all. And I'll say this. I'll say this. Say it. I praised Jimmy Butler last week, said, you know what, that guy. I have always thought I appreciated him, but maybe he's better than I thought. I'll say this. I think the Heat may have bought into their... like hardest working, toughest, yada yada marketing and thought that they're marketing. was more true than the need for a star because looking back on it

Jimmy was like a good part of that identity. And without him, we saw what happened in their elimination game when they just. They had their bags packed like in the second quarter on the sidelines. You can be all of those things. You can say you're all of those things. You need the guy. You need the guy to be those things first. And you didn't have the guy. Bam wasn't the guy. Tyler wasn't. You didn't have the guy out there. That's just what it was. I was. Okay.

I was a little bit surprised at how well Jimmy slid himself into the Golden State Warriors plan of attack. Because we had seen him get to the playoffs. He's one of only a handful of players who points, assists, rebounds, everything. All of his numbers go up in the playoffs, right? But previously to this, he had done it on teams that were like...

Oh, it's Jimmy Butler and some other guys was what it always was. And in this case, he's joining this, you know, Steph and Dre have four rings apiece. Like he's joining a championship winning team. And I was like, I'm curious what it looks like when it's not Jimmy and some other guys. Now it's Jimmy and Steph and Dre. And he looks great. He looks.

Like that's what he was built to be doing. And it's just, it's just, it's really impressive to watch him do that. I completely agree with this synergy is really wonderful. The, the, you mentioned that the.

Thunder Grizz series. I thought the best part of that was the Grizzlies getting blown out by 400 points every game. Afterward, afterward, they asked Ja about it. He's like, I figured out. I had the thunder figured out. I had them figured out. My favorite part of that quote is that he prefaces it by saying.

You know what? I shouldn't even say what I'm thinking because every time I talk, it goes viral. And then he's like, and then he's like, thinks about it for a second. He's like, you know what? Fuck it. I got to get it out. These guys that are stomping the shit out of us, I got them figured out. Now, to be fair. Before he went down, they were up 20-something in that game. Obviously, small sample size. He went down in the second quarter or something. first half, whatever.

You have to have that attitude, like as a professional basketball player, like you have to be like. I'm the best. You have to be delusional. At the same time, it didn't look great in the context of getting blown out. and getting historically blown out in the series, like losing by 50 plus at a certain point in time. And it certainly doesn't look good. Like in the context of just a couple of years ago saying we're good in the West. We're good in the West. And then not being good in the West.

Just this season alone, the Thunder and the Grizzlies played eight times. They played eight times. And the Oklahoma City Thunder won eight times. You can't get beat eight times in a row and then say, I have them figured out. You don't. You don't. Your team was down by 60 points. What if he meant...

I figured them out. They're a lot better than us. See, we didn't push them. Somebody needed a follow-up question. I will say like- You know, looking at these teams that got eliminated, Grizzlies, Heat, Bucks, Magic.

Huge questions for three of these teams, right? I think the Grizzlies are kind of... would say that they're not at a fork in the road moment, but, you know, you wonder now how good you could really be with Ja, how dependable he is. The Heat are out there looking for a star. The Bucs, I think we all expect that Giannis might be on the move this summer.

out of there. Now, the magic are interesting because really, here's their problem. They have a wonderful young core of guys headlined by Paolo Mancaro, the Wagner brothers, and Jalen Suggs, who was injured. I was thinking about it, Shay. I've never seen a young core this talented that didn't have... like any signature moves, no bag. Like whenever Paolo, whenever, whenever Ben Carroll gets the ball, I'm like, he's going to go to mid range and shoot it. Like that's.

He's a really talented and good player, but their offense is like whoever gets the ball drives straight at the rim. That's it. So they need to figure something out there. But the other three teams, big question. Is that a coaching issue or is that a- I think so. What is that? Is that what it is? I think that I've heard...

You know, I've heard rumors that they're going to bring in an offensive guy, and I think they need to. I think they were 23rd in offense or 28th or something, like down in the bottom quarter of the league in offense. And with the talent they have, they should be better. Mike Malone to the magic? That's what you're hearing? I don't know. Sources are telling you? Is he an assistant type guy? I don't know that Mike is an assistant type guy. No, he is not.

Next trophy. The Lord, you might win some, but you just lost one trophy. Give it out to whoever it is who had the worst performance of the week. We talked about them briefly here just a second ago, but this week's winner, the Miami Heat. for getting blown completely out. swept at home against the Cavs. There's nothing they could have done, but it's still... It doesn't look good to be down 60.

60! The thing is, it looked like a complete surrender in that closeout game. Yes. And it was notable in particular because... Guys were chirping. I mean, Darius Garland was going back and forth with Tyler Hero about stuff over the course of the series. There's some tough talk. But ultimately...

The heat looked like they wanted no part of it. And the calves just had every answer to every problem. To your point, there was nothing they could have done, but there was no resistance, like zero resistance. Just laid down. They just laid down. In the first quarter, they're down in the first quarter 43 to 14. I thought something was wrong with my TV. Something's wrong. It was fucking crazy. Something's wrong.

You're watching the game like this. I watched the game from the jump. Let's see what's going to happen because Tyler Hero was talking before the game about... about we're not losing in four. I said, that's great. If they're going to win a game, then now would be a great time to do it. You're down 3-0. That's right. Who's with me, guys? Crickets. None of them. Nobody was with them. But it just felt like...

When you were a kid and you got into a fight with somebody and you hit them as hard as you could and they didn't flinch. And then they hit you and you're like, fuck and hell. And you wake up next week. But they end up losing over those four games, 122 points. which is an all-time record for like getting beat in a...

And it was just a tough week to be a Heat fan. This whole season, you kind of just want to highlight, delete from your brain, which is crazy because we aren't that far away from like... The magic of the Butler Heat and making their way through the playoffs and Jimmy doing all this stuff and knocking out the Celtics and making the finals and challenging LeBron. You knew they weren't going to beat him, but still like.

It's not that far back that they were doing that. They were like the feel-good team, and then now they're like, nobody wants anything to do with Miami. Bam after the game said. There are going to be a lot of changes this summer knowing how the guy with the silver hair works. Be prepared for that. That meaning Pat Riley. But it makes me wonder. It's like there's the LeBron quote about the cookies.

Certainly in Heat Nation, there's been some criticism of the kind of like stagnant team building strategy. some would say was a stagnant team building strategy that he'd have been putting out. And so you have to wonder like what Pat. What's next? Like, it's never been harder to put together a team. I think you've got some...

Spots of light here. Tyler Hero really took the leap and became like a bona fide scorer in the NBA. Adebayo is still a great defensive player. You wish he could give you more on offense. But beyond that. You know, Terry Rozier was not the answer. There's like not a lot of other answers on this team. And so what, you know, it'll be interesting to see what Pat does.

Because not a lot there. And, you know, I think there's a certain way to look at this season with the loss of Jimmy Butler and all the drama that went with that. That just getting into the first round is kind of an, that's an achievement in and of itself, considering how underpowered they are and all the drama that happened. Let me ask you a non-basketball question. Okay. Because.

I just caught a glimpse of my hat. In the camera. And I thought when I put it on, it looks cool. But seeing it on the camera, I feel like it looks too much like the hat that... Smalls wears in the sandlot at the beginning before Benny gives him a good hat. Remember? Yeah. How do you feel about this hat? What does it say? Bohem? Yeah, I don't know what that is. I just grabbed it. Is that not your hat? It's not my hat. It's Laramie's hat. I believe that's French for like bohemian.

Okay, that's me. A lot of people when they describe me in one word, they say bohemian. So that I mean, thematically, it's a good hat. But aesthetically, how are you feeling? I think it's okay. You know what? I'm going to take it all together, the tan hat. You look like you just came. like off the forward operating base, like in Iraq. Oh, wow. Okay. With the tan hat and the kind of like gray slits. Yeah.

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Next trophy, Dominic Toretto. I live my life a quarter mile at a time trophy. Give it out to whoever it is who made a short-term decision with no regard for future consequence. This week's winner, the NBA's Hawkeye camera for doing its job and being accurate. Jason, what's the Hawkeye camera? I have a gripe with the Hawkeye camera. Okay, the Hawkeye camera is a people who watch.

Soccer, the Premier League, football and other parts of the world are going to be familiar with the Hawkeye camera as part of the camera system that is involved in the VAR. review system for goals and for offsides. People who watch tennis are going to be familiar with Hawkeye as the high speed camera that calls balls out or in. The NBA signed a deal with Hawkeye in 2023 to put the cameras in, so they went in the beginning of the season.

We heard nothing about these cameras all season until- Where did it come from? Until the crucial moments of game four, Timberwolves versus Lakers, where suddenly- Hawkeye pops up as part of the review process for, in particular, a foul that LeBron apparently committed on Anthony Edwards. And these were crucial calls. My issue is this. The postseason is already...

In terms of physicality, almost like a completely different game. The interpretation of the rules are completely different. And now we have a new camera technology. Yes, it's been here all season, but where's it been? It hasn't been used once. All regular season. And then all of a sudden, in the postseason, you're like, let's go to this brand new camera that's never been used for. And by the way... At least the way it's used in other sports is used to call.

things that happen like bang, bang, and mostly for in or out. Is it in or is it out? Did it happen before the buzzer went off or is it good? It's not supposed to do. Like what they used it for the LeBron foul was, which is like, oh, contact. Because you can't tell when it's moving like it's super slow-mo how hard somebody actually hits somebody. So I just find this like.

really random and weird that you would, guys, we're at the end of the fucking season. Just wait till next year. You didn't use it all season. Didn't announce it. Didn't get people ready for it. We've never seen this before. This is crazy to me. Like, imagine another sport. Imagine if in the NFL, they were just like, here's, we've got this brand new drone camera. You've never seen it before, but now we're going to use it all of a sudden in the AFC championship game or something.

Okay, so a couple of things. Number one. I don't like getting it right. I don't like it. I don't like that. I don't like... that that we're sort of prioritizing that over so much other stuff like it's okay to get some stuff wrong we don't need to get everything right we don't gotta we don't we shouldn't have a super camera to zoom in less than a nanosecond of a frame

To, like, make a call. I don't know. That's where I am. Like, in or out, or, like, the Aaron Gordon, like, the alley-oop, the missed Jokic. A three that Aaron Gordon then dunked in at the very last second. If you want to use it for that to see if the ball came out of his hand, great, perfect. And by the way, why didn't they fucking use it for that? To see if the ball came out of his hands. Anyway, but if you need-

super sensitive high-speed cameras to see if somebody fouled another guy, then he probably didn't, like, then it didn't matter. It was incidental contact if you need to use that camera. The other thing I want to mention here is when I went to work the next day, I was walking into the office and I saw my boy Oscar. Oscar's the postman.

Like the actual mailman who delivers his stuff. So when he's coming through, dropping the stuff off, I was talking for a few minutes. And I caught him as he was coming out of the building. And this was the first thing he brought up. He was like, Shay, on your show, you need to talk about this fucking calling a foul after the fact thing. Like, everybody hates it. It doesn't matter. We all hate it. We shouldn't be doing it.

I'm with Oscar. I stay with Oscar on this. I'm all for getting it right. I just feel like- Figure out a way to do this shit quicker because there's already too many stoppages where the fucking refs are looking into the camera. And you can tell they're annoyed by it. And it just kills the momentum. What about this? What about this? Can I offer this?

I want to make it because this is what the NBA does. If there's a small problem, they introduce a thing that makes it is way too complicated. So I'm going to. So I'm going to do the same thing. You can challenge a call. You can go to the camera. But also, now everybody also gets a no take back. And whatever the call was on the court, you throw the no take back and it doesn't matter what the replay shows. We got to just stick with what was on there. You called it out on LeBron no take back.

Okay, so how many notes? You get one note take back? And you can use it at any time? Anytime. Anytime you want. That's interesting. Yeah. Whenever you want. You just like throw it down? Yeah. Oh, no, you know what? Rather than throw it down, you throw it up. You throw it up like LeBron would do the chalk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up into the air. And you have to scream no take back.

What if you got one of like, you know, like a colored smoke that they use to land helicopters? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you like pop the colored smoke and then you just like throw it up in the air? Yeah, that's what I want to see. I want to see no take back. I want to see Joe Missoula screaming no take back, waving around green smoke flare. I just feel like I feel like the refs are.

I feel like they're annoyed. I feel like they're mad. They gotta be. They gotta be. Because they have to do all these reviews that are basically, that basically take the trust.

initially placed upon them away from them that said like you guys are fucking wrong we're gonna have to go to the cameras and you're gonna have to go and look into the screen and and say guess what i fucked up and you have to announce on the microphone that you guys messed up and then there's the last two minute report which again i find completely pointless because you're never going to change the outcome of a game

But then you're going to have to make the ref come out and go, yeah, we messed up in the last two minutes of that game. We messed up. And then... You've got guys complaining to them all the time. I think the refs, I think it feels like they're on a wildcat strike because all this stuff is... It feels very random this postseason. And one last point to this. Yes, please. They call the ball originally it should go to L.A. L.A.'s down by one.

That's going to be, that's a great scenario. I want to see that scenario. This is why I watch the playoffs. I want a team down by one with 10 seconds left and they have the ball. Give me that. Don't give me, oh, actually. The super camera saw LeBron touch the guy on the wrist. So now he gets free throws and this whole thing gets run. I hate it. I hate it.

I hate it, Jason. I hate it. I think super camera, I think Hawkeye should not be used for fouls. I think it should be used for like out of bounds and bang, bang plays. And that's it. Like, did he step out? Is he in? Last person the ball goes off of. I don't think it should be used as fouls because, again, I think at that speed, when guys are like... Bye. How do you know how hard they got hit? How do you know?

I think we should never use the super camera. I think we should throw it in the ocean. That's what I think. Yeah, let's throw it away. Get it out of here. Let the refs make the call and let's live with what they say. Yeah. What could go wrong?

What could go wrong? The Daniel Plainview. The Daniel Plainview, I've abandoned my child, I've abandoned my boy trophy, which is given out to a player team who just gives up on something. I've abandoned my child! I've abandoned my boy! This week's winner, Tyrese Halliburton! Giving up on his dad's on-court behavior. There's never been a more appropriate winner of this trophy ever. I've abandoned my father. I've abandoned my dad. That's what he did.

That's what he did. Jason, will you give a recap of what this situation was for anybody who happened to miss the game? Well, the Milwaukee Bucks, without Dame, without Kyle Kuzma. um, shockingly played better defense and more cohesively. And, and, um, You know, if not for some bad turnovers at the end of the game, could have won that game that went to overtime. And at the end of the game.

Tyrese Halliburton's father emerges from the crowd holding up, like, it's either a towel or a t-shirt with a picture of Tyrese Halliburton on it. confronts Giannis, stands like, I don't know, three, four, five feet in front of him, shaking the...

shirt or towel or what have you and just talking crazy shit to Giannis and then they eventually go head to head. They're forehead to forehead having a very intense conversation and had to be separated and to be fair to Giannis he never he looked annoyed but it never looked like There was never a moment where I was like, Gianna's going to kill Tyrese's dad. But you could tell he was like, what the fuck was that? And Halliburton, after the game, was asked about it and said like, hey, my...

Straight up, my dad was wrong about that and I've talked to him. I've talked to him about it. I wonder what that conversation was like. What do you say to your dad in that situation? How do you handle that? Dad, stop embarrassing me. I'm a grown man in the NBA. Acting like this is peewee football and like charging onto the field of play and like trash talking the other team. Like, please don't do that. What do we do?

What's happening? I've seen people who are like, you always got to stand with family. No, what are you talking about? What? If my mom came on to like my place of work and just started trash talking, be like, mom, get out of here. What are you doing? There's that part of it. And then also, don't try to pick a fight with the 6'11", 240-pound tornado of muscle. Don't do that. How are you talking?

You're talking shit to a guy and you're talking into his belly button like it's a fast food intercom where you place your order. I know. He's way up there. What are you doing? his like deltoid is the size of your head like don't why are you confronting this man and waving this piece of fabric in front of you like you're waving a red cape in front of a bull. It's like, don't do this. How did you feel about the game? What a fun game that was.

It was a fun game. You know, I like the Kuzlas, Dameless lineups with Gary Trent in there and stuff. I think those are good. I think Kyle Kuzma. Shout out to the Wizards who've been making good moves, both in unloading Bradley Beal and in foisting Kyle Kuzma upon the Bucs in return for Middleton, who's a broken down but good vet. Because Kyle Kuzma... It's interesting because he, in terms of his athleticism and his size and the role he purports to play, kind of like a 3 and D wing.

You look at him and you're like, oh, that guy is probably good. And you maybe have memories of him on the Lakers when he was pretty effective, but he sucks. He's like not good.

And he's actively killing them. And now I was happy that the Bucks showed some fight in that game and it wasn't just a complete bummer where they laid down. Giannis, of course, is... I mean, it was epic all throughout the series. And it'll be interesting to see where he goes, like what happens now, because you got to figure. he will be on the move. I thought the Gary Trent Jr. experience

What a ride. What a ride that was. Starts the game out 0 for 7 from 3. Then catches fire. And he hits 8 of his next 10 threes. And then he has the turnover in overtime that leads to possession. Oh my God. Just. The guy, Buckner, right through his hands, through his legs, out of bounds. He took his eye off of it. He's thinking. He was thinking, what am I going to do with this ball? And it just went through his hands.

Go, go back and watch just that play. And as soon as it goes through his hands and out of bounds. You can see on his face that he is 100% certain that Tyrese Halliburton is going to hit a game winner after this. He knows exactly what's going to happen. He's like, this is preordained.

By the universe. And then sure enough, Tyrese Halliburton, who we are big Tyrese fans. We love Halliburton. I can't imagine how much you would hate Tyrese Halliburton if you hate Tyrese Halliburton. You know what I mean? Like he's one of those guys who just. He just gets in there and gets under your skin and just like.

If you don't like him, oh my God, you gotta hate him so much. And by the way, I think that there are, I think there's some people who don't like him because did you see the player survey, the anonymous player survey? They came out recently. Tyrese Kalibert, one, if you could say one, in air quotes, one most overrated player in the NBA, according to his peers. Now, let me say this. I think there was like a hundred. 20 players polled. I want to take issue with the...

way that data is presented. I think they should have not just... percentages, but the actual number of votes. Because at a pool of like 120 or whatever it is, like less than 150. You could have like five guys and it's like, oh my God, 15%. Yeah, exactly. So I think they need to put how many players actually voted that. But yes, you appear to be right.

And a significant portion of recently polled NBA players appear to agree with you. Yeah. And then how perfect is it that he hits this game winner, so he gets to be like... Overrated, fuck you. But then you can look at maybe how he played in the whole game or the whole series and you're like, you know, you're overrated. But it's kind of hard to call the guy overrated when he hits the series ending.

Game-winning shot. He's good. On your best defender. On your best guy. You're like, we're going to go one-on-one with a series on the line. We're going to throw Tyrese out there. Who are you going to guard him with? Your first pick is Giannis. That's who you want. That's who you want in that situation. And he just, boom, race card right by him. Nice little double clutch layup. Oh, my God. Tyrese Halliburton, I love you. I wish they hadn't heard. I wish that series went longer. I know. Me too.

And then he goes to the post game and he hits it and he hits a dagger on his dad. Everybody's getting it. He has to go back. He has to go back there and give his dad a stern talking to.

Next trophy. The Chief Keef. That's that shit. I don't like trophy. We'll just give it out to a player team. We just don't like it. We don't like it. The playoffs for being too different. From the regular season. Listen. Okay. You're booing me. You and I disagree on this. You and I disagree on this, Jason. This is all you. We're clearing it out. We're clear out. You go ISO on this one. I think we agree more than you think.

I, listen, I like the physicality. We said last week, increased physicality, less whistles, all that. I like that. That's fine. But it's two different, like, can you bring the regular season intensity up a little bit, right? Because to me, like watching... Watching Houston Golden State is like watching WWE. It's like headlocks and guys flying to the ground and no whistle.

Detroit versus New York is the same thing. Like guys are getting mauled and you're like, usually that's a whistle. I mean, here's the upside. Nobody can say anything about flopping. Jalen Brunson had in, you know, in game four had two free throws. Kate had four. That said. I just think there's no other sport that does it like this. Baseball, Premier League, NFL, where the rules are suddenly interpreted vastly differently at a certain point in the season. I just think that's...

I think that's untenable. I think you have to bring the regular season. I'm not saying make the postseason softer. I'm not saying that. I like this intensity. And now, you know, and people are saying, oh, like the TV ratings, it's the drama. The guy's not liking each other. We'd love that. Great. Put that in the regular season then.

You know, like just, I'm not saying it has to be this intense, but lift that intensity a little bit. So it's not like we're stepping into a whole nother sport. That's what I'm saying. How.

How much are you ratcheting up the intensity if you could put a number on it in the regular season? Because you can't play 82 games. the way that they play these games during the playoffs. You can't. Why not? It's too hard. Why? It's too hard. They were doing it in the past, weren't they? I feel like in the 50s, like the 80s and the 90s and the 70s, whatever, guys, that was just what guys were doing.

The playoffs have always been harder. Yes, I agree with you. If you make everything like the regular season, if you're like, we have to play like this all the time, it doesn't feel any different then.

I agree with you that the players have always been harder, but would you agree with me that the gap is pretty... significant this year like it's very noticeable it's very significant yes yes you can feel it so so all i'm saying is like whatever whatever the number is whatever the whistle is because i think we talked about the stats last

week and how many whistles there are on average. So just like pick a number. Less than 20,000 calls per 100 profession. So just pick a number that's between this and the number you had last season during the regular season and... Bring the intensity up 50%. That's all. All right. I don't agree with you, but sure. No, I do see what you're saying.

There's definitely a big difference between, like a larger than normal difference is what it feels like between the... the regular season and the playoffs for some i don't know what it was but for some reason everybody who made the playoffs this year we talked about this before but they were all like it matter It mattered. Like they all decided they were going to do that. Everybody bought in and it's made for incredible.

It seems like every game you turn on and there's a chance for like some really cool shit to be, to be going on. Right. But that being said, that being said, Jason, if you. I think if you stretch that out too far, it doesn't work. I think if you ask them to do that for six months, plus the playoffs, it doesn't... feel special is what I think. But doesn't the knockout...

the knockout format in and of itself, the fact that you're going home, like make it special. And again, I'm not saying the exact same whistle. I'm saying like more of this because to your point. Isn't the criticism of the regular season like, oh, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Here's how to make it matter. Make it more intense. Make it a little bit more intense. Another thing that you have to account for, though, is...

The teams, they have to stand there and play against each other for two straight weeks. The playoffs are different from the regular season in that regard. Warriors... Houston is so much fun because two straight weeks of a rock fight versus their four games during the season are spread out over the course of... several months. I think you might be asking for something that we can't deliver. I'm in the NBA as well now, Jason.

Okay. Well, please, like, at least deliver my message to Adam Silver now that you are in the NBA. I'll let him know. Yeah, please. Thank you very much. I'll let them know. We talked before about... When you play the Tecmo Super Bowl on regular Nintendo and then it gets to the playoffs and they change the background music and it just feels different. I don't know. I love it. I love the playoffs. I love them a ton.

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Next trophy, the Haley Joel Osment and the Sixth Sense. I See Dead People trophy. Give it out to whoever it is who had the best comeback of the week. This week's winner, it's looking like Denver, Jason. They're about to go up 3-2. They're about to beat as we're finishing this thing. They're up by 11 with three minutes left. They're going to win this game, Jason.

They're going to win this game. They're back. Denver is back. And they're back off of what I think in game four is one of the more remarkable finishes that we've seen. Oh, my God. In a while. A dunk at the buzzer to win a playoff game never happened. A dunk at the buzzer that was literally like a tenth of a second if the ball was still in his hands. It's over. An incredible, you know, just like a heave by Nikola Jokic.

And the defense collapsed on him. Aaron Gordon was able to sneak in on the sideline. And because the ball had gone so long. he was able to grab it and dunk it and Denver won. And now it certainly looks like they're about to go up three, two in the series. And I think this will go seven. I'm still picking the Clippers. Wow. I'm sticking with the Clippers. Okay. And by the way, if you're a Nuggets fan, you should thank me because that will probably lock in the fact that you guys will win.

We had mentioned when we were at the start of the playoffs, the Lakers were playing great. And so we were like, oh my God, do you have to start considering the Lakers as like. They're going to be in the Western Conference finals and they're going to do this. We weren't even just like looking at the nugs. We're like, the nuggets have fallen apart. They fired their coach.

They're done for. There's no chance that they make it out of the first round. And then here they are, Jason, reminding you that just a couple of seasons ago, they were the best team in basketball. And now here they are.

Should we have put in Nico Harrison for Haley Joel Osment? I see dead people. I'm not saying that he has been vindicated at all. Still a. lopsided in a terrible trade, but... Luka Doncic getting absolutely, like, sauteed. by Anthony Edwards again and again and again. Anthony Edwards, who, by the way, looked like he's gone up a level, like looks like he is ascending before our eyes. Yes. Yeah. That was, you know, that Nico was watching.

Luca just get blown by, and he's just like, hey, this is the only time I've really smiled in months. Zuri, your thoughts on Luca's play? Luka, first of all, he's like the greatest first quarter player of all time. Every time you look up in the first quarter, he's got like 18 points on six threes. That is true. The only thing I don't like about Luka is he'll get stripped.

He'll get stripped and then he won't run back on defense. So it's like, that was your turnover. Like that's, you know, just jog, just, just like, I don't know, hustle a tiny bit.

But as we're saying this, Denver's up 121, 107. So it looks like. Yeah. Another question for you, Zuri. Your thoughts on JJ Redick. Podcast coach in the NBA playing 40-year-old LeBron James. 500 minutes. In not a game seven. In a game, you know, in not a close after. Your thoughts on that? Yeah, game four of the series. I think at 40 years old, I don't think there's anything LeBron wants to do for 48 minutes, much less like stay on the court.

I think it's Jackson. I don't know. Jackson Hayes is the guy that I look at as like, if you could just give us like. 10 good minutes a game. You're blaming Jackson Hayes. I love that you're blaming Jackson Hayes. It's all come down to Jackson Hayes. I think it's seven points and seven fouls. Through four, through five games. A Jalen Greenian stat line. Yeah, just an absolute albatross on the court. Playing five guys in the second half. Only five guys. Nobody else. Just five.

Had an orgasm when he looked at that statue. We'd be killing. If Tibbs had done that, if Tibbs had done that, he would be roasted on every national sports show. All day and night. I do think that it played a role. LeBron... was missing layups. Some of those turnovers were just like, these guys look gassed.

You look very, very tired. You want to do the little trophies, Jason? Let's do it. Let's do the little trophies. Before we do the little trophies, Jason, though, let me give a quick little shout out to Frank. You know Frank Rogan? Do you happen to know Frank Grogan? Frank? No, I don't know Frank Grogan. Yeah, he's the director of NBA 2K, the mobile version of it. Oh, yeah, yeah, Frank Grogan.

He just reached out and he was like, hey, me and the team, the development team, we love the show. So I'm just going to say his name on the air. Shout out the development team, NBA 2K Mobile. Y'all are killing it. NBA 2K16, my first paid kind of TV-ish writing gig. It was me writing NBA 2K16 on the writing team for that. So shouts to the 2K team. Shouts to 2K all the way around when they let us be in the video game. Our little things pop up. It was one of two times.

in uh my life that the my twins were proud of me for something like oh my god oh my god dad did you know you're in 2k

So shout out to y'all. All right, let's do the little trophies, Jason. These ones change each week in a situation specific. And for the smaller storylines that we want to mention but don't need to get all the way into, my first little trophy. Dwayne Campbell in Wayne's World. Nice. Camera one, camera two. Camera one, camera two. Camera one, camera two. Trophy. Camera one.

Camera two. Camera one. Camera two. This is a funny movie. Camera one. Camera two. Camera one. Camera two. That trophy goes to TNT. Who, when Ja Morant blocked the camera that was in front of him, he didn't want to be on cameras. He's like, no, I don't want to be. All they did was just switch angles to a different camera. to still show John Moran. Just leave him alone. He's injured. He's on the sideline. The team's getting run off the court. Leave him alone. Leave him alone. That was...

That was ruthless. I love that they were just like, nah, fuck you. We're fucking doing it. My first little trophy is the Madonna. Papa, I know you're going to be upset because I was always your little girl. But you should know by now. not a baby trophy to One of my sisters loved Madonna like so much. She got some bangers. She really does. To Steve Kerr, who when talking about Draymond Green last week.

He said, you know, Draymond instigates a lot. He's been involved in a lot of things. He's always going to be involved in a lot of things. That happened over the course of a playoff series, but quote, but then addressing the Houston fans and their chant of fuck you, Draymond said. But I wish the fans would use discretion and remember the guy has kids. I think, does Rudy Gobert have kids? Does Jordan Poole? Like, what about, like, the people that Trayvon is, like, nearly...

decapitated on the court. They have kids, they have to watch out. What a weird thing to say. He tried it. He tried. He tried. Hey, did Justin, you didn't see the commercial with his daughter? This guy's got kids, man. My next little trophy, the pinhead in Hellraiser 3. Oh, I enjoy making you bleed. And I'll enjoy making you enjoy it. Trophy. Oh, my God. I enjoy making you bleed.

And I'll enjoy making you enjoy it. That trophy goes to Joe Missoula, who after Kristaps got cracked across the head and was bleeding all over the place. They asked him, hey, how did you feel about that? And he said, quote, I liked watching him bleed on the court. I think it's important. What an absolute weirdo you are, Joe. I love you. I love you for it, Joe. That was nuts, no? Am I wrong? Yes. I mean, like... No, that was nuts. Fully nuts.

Joe needs to fucking chill out. My second little trophy is the... The inside man, which weighs more? All the trains that pass through Grand Central Station in a year or the trees cut down to print all U.S. currency in circulation? Here's a hint. It's a trick question. Trophy 2. Which way's more? All the trains that pass through Grand Central. It's a great heist movement.

Here's a hint. It's a trick question. To Ja Morant's I mean, we talked about it earlier, but it's just like for him saying that he had OKC. Who rolled over his Grizzlies team with a fucking bulldozer. Because... As I said earlier, I think the answer to the riddle might just be like, yeah, the answer is they're just better than us. So therefore, no need to try to figure it out.

My last little trophy. The Napoleon Dynamite in Napoleon Dynamite. I told you. I spent it with my uncle in Alaska hunting wolverines. did you shoot any yes like 50 of them trophy i told you i spent it with my uncle in alaska hunting wolverine Did you shoot any? Yes, like 50 of them. That trophy goes to Jeremy Lamb, who just an incredible lie to tell on a podcast. said that Kevin Martin, when you play with Kevin Martin, would purposely not score a bunch of points.

Because he didn't want to be an all-star. That's why he wasn't an all-star. He didn't want to be. So he just wouldn't score a bunch of points. It was so funny the way he says it too, because he's like... He said it like Kevin Martin would hit like three shots in a row and then would just like mutter to himself like, oh man. Looks like I'm going to be an all-star if I keep playing this way. Like Charlie Brown or something. My final little trophy. Is the walk the moon?

Oh, don't you dare look back. Just keep your eyes on me. I said you're holding back. She said shut up. Up and dance with me, trophy two. To the last two minute report. Just shut the fuck up with the last two minute report. It doesn't... Detroit, New York. ended in controversial style when Tim Hardaway Jr. was bumped into corner three.

You know, clear contact. Josh Hart admitted it. And then afterwards, the last two-minute report said that should have been a foul. Well, you know what? I want to first... 46 minutes report because there were a lot of fouls that were being let go. Okay. And I think the balance of them went to Detroit. Now, do you want to get it right in the final seconds? Of course you do. But again. Mistakes happen. And the last two minute report only serves one purpose, and that is to get everybody fucking mad.

The Detroit Pistons fans get mad because they're like, well, we should have won the fucking game. The Knicks fans get mad because they're like, now our victory is discredited. And then everybody else is mad because they're like, well. You know, this sucks. Just get it out of here. And I'm sure the refs hate it too. Thank God, like, we don't have. It would be really hard.

for us to have something like this where we would have to admit a mistake like on the podcast, we've never made one. But I would be really annoyed if on every podcast, we'd have to come out and say, and by the way, here's a big mistake we made in the previous podcast.

We didn't talk about this at all. We've gone almost 55 minutes into the show. And we're about to, we just finished our last little trophy. We're about to get out of here. But let me borrow a couple of minutes of your time to ask you about About the Pistons-Knicks game. The Knicks had a chance to close it out, Jason. Yes, tonight's game. Had a chance to close it out. Detroit is very tough. Listen.

You can't play two non-shooters together, which I think Tibbs did a lot tonight with Hart and Mitchell Robinson out there. Mitchell Robinson did give us good minutes, but I think the free throw shooting is an issue. Detroit is very tough. We can't really. Kate is. Cade is incredibly tough and his team plays around him really well. And I still think the Knicks are going to win the series, but it's going to be a fight. And I think Tom Thibodeau...

The Knicks are a sports car. They have Jalen Brunson and Kat, who should have a two-man game in my mind, and I think a lot of people's minds, that's like... similar to what you see from Jokic and Murray. You know, not exactly that, but that kind of synergy with those kind of the spacing of Cat and the ability to drive and kind of herky jerk into the lane that Brunson has.

You should be able to create space and create a really good offense with that, particularly with the way OG's decent three-point shooting. Bridges has been... up and down, but still is kind of a threat. And yet... Tom Thibodeau insists on driving this sports car like it's a pickup truck. And it's just really hard to watch. In game four in particular.

Part of, you know, listen, credit to Detroit in making the run to come back from when it was like almost 20 down or something. But part of that was that like the Knicks, it must have been like 10 or 12. possessions in a row their offense was just like whoever has the ball run straight at the defense and try and make a layup on your own. No ball movement, no nothing.

And every time it was a turnover, you had like Cat trying to force his way against Jalen Duren and a double team. Jalen Brunson trying to force his way past Thompson into the teeth of the interior defense. And it just. Like, where is the off-ball stuff? Where's the movement? You don't see it. And it's annoying. That's it. It's frustrating. It's frustrating. I'm frustrated. All this so we can get killed by the Celtics if we...

Next episode, I want to have the cat conversation because I think he's the most interesting player on the Knicks. Let's bookmark that for next time. This game, Jason, I was sitting there watching. You've got Jalen and Josh on the sideline at the scorer's table waiting to come in. It's the final three minutes of the game. I think they tweaked some kind of – it looked like Jalen might have tweaked his ankle again and then Josh would – somehow hurt on a collision before that. Yeah. Right.

But they need to come in the game. And they're waiting for some sort of dead ball. But no dead ball comes. The clock is ticking away. You're down six. Your two most important players are on the... Sideline. At the scores table waiting. And I'm screaming at the TV for Tibbs to call a fucking timeout to get them in the game and he just won't.

do it until there's there's he didn't bring him in so there's like 30 seconds left in the game they only had the one and I kind of understand it but I'm with you I was also like I do not just call the time out and get him in there It's crazy. It still was a one possession game. It's disappointing because you feel like...

Again, credit to Detroit, who are playing incredibly hard. J.B. Bickerstaff is such an annoying fucking guy. I hate looking at him. And it's like, again, his guys are like hitting the Knicks with two by fours, and that's fine. But to then complain about calls when you are hitting our guys with brick bats all the time is a little much for me. That said, shouts to the Pistons, and I'm frustrated with the next. Game six in Detroit. Do the Knicks close it out?

They do? I don't know. I think it's going to go south.

Okie dokie. We did it again, Jason. Another perfect episode. I can't believe it. 81 straight. This is our Kobe episode. We gave him 81. We close every episode with a collage of voicemails that we received during the week from our listeners. If you have a basketball take that you think we need to hear, give us a call. Leave us a message. 312-291-1212. That's 312-291-1212. Check us out on YouTube at Six Trophies so you can see my hat.

which is ridiculous. I hate it. I'm going to throw it in the trash as soon as I get off the show. Zuri, will you play the theme music and the voicemails, please? I'm Chase Serrano. That's Chase and Contepsio. I'm producer Zuri in the shadows making some noise. See you all next Wednesday.

I'm just sitting back with a bottle of Kirkland Signature Champagne, looking forward to the Oklahoma City Thunder inevitably being eliminated. And the deeper they go into the playoffs, the sweeter it's going to taste. Go Sonics. I love the pod. Thanks so much. What up, Doug? This is Jacob in St. Pete. Question for you guys. Jamal Murray with a full long-sleeved shirt under his jersey. Got me thinking. I don't remember another...

NBA player that ever went full long sleeve before. I think Keith Van Horn with the short sleeve, Larry Johnson, maybe even a little Norman Powell with the short sleeve, but can you recall another long sleeve shirt for a... NBA player peace hi this is Evan from Vancouver Canada I was watching the Grizzlies play-in game and I noticed that they were wearing these throwback Vancouver Grizzlies jerseys in the play-in That was such, like, mad disrespect.

Jason, does Jalen Brunson have a high tolerance for pain or a low tolerance for pain? Once a game, he's riding on the ground. He has to go back in the locker room. They duct tape it back together, and he comes out and plays better than ever, never injured. Is he too sensitive on the first injury and super tough then?

What's going on with this guy? Hey, Jason. Hey, Shay. Hey, Zeri. This is Ben from DC. I'm calling as a follow-up to the guy who called last week talking about how there's too many different jerseys. I like all the different jerseys during the regular season, but once we get to the playoffs...

Give me the regular home, the regular away jerseys. We want to see the iconic colors out there. And as a bonus, we get to keep talking about how horrible Austin Reeves listen to those liquor yellows. Love the show. Thanks. Hey, this is Miles from Minnesota, and I just wanted to let you know that Austin Reeves looks like the lonely boy from Polar Express. Hey, this is Brent from Los Angeles.

Something I've noticed about the show is that Shay and Jason, you spend the whole show just shitting on Zuri, shitting on his grammar, telling him he's doing a bad job, hating on the Lakers, calling it weird, just being... so mean to Zuri throughout every episode. And then the end of every episode, Shay goes,

Dury, can you play the voicemails, please? Hey, Shay, Jason, and Zoe. My name's Amy up in Minnesota. First of all, I just want to shout out my Wolves. Went to the game Friday, watched the game Sunday with some friends. Shay, loving your Wolves in 5 prediction, though, can't say I'm sorry about how the series is going. I just wanted to call to address what you said about Nico alienating dirt and the way you were then imagining what it would be like if that happened on other teams.

Welcome to our reality up here. I bring friends to games often. I can't tell you the number of times one of them has looked around Target Center, looked at me, and then said, wait. Why is Kevin Garnett's number not retired? Thankfully that long, Dark Nightmare is coming to a close here soon. Go Wolves. Hi, this is Martin and Sam from Kansas City. Hello. And we just wanted to say that Luka Doncic's broken cloth tattoo blows our minds.

Hello, this is Alan calling from San Francisco, and I have a very important representation-related question for my fellow Filipino Jason Concepcion. Would you rather have a Filipino-American president? a Filipino NBA MVP, or a Filipino Pope. important questions. Let me know. Thanks for the show. Hey, Jason, Shay, and this is Brad from Detroit. Did you know that before Pope Francis became the Pope,

The Pistons had won 189 playoff games, but from the time Pope Francis became the Pope until he died, the Pistons won zero playoff games over the course of more than a decade. And then, on the same exact day that the Pope died, the Pistons won their first playoff game. So I just want to say, on behalf of the Detroit Pistons, to the Catholic Church, RIP to the Pope, but we different. Detroit basketball.

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