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Oscars Recap and Talking Points: Emotions, Predictions, and Changes We'd Make

In this episode, hosts Chris Wiegand and his brother Jerome recap the Oscars, discussing their reactions and predictions. They share their personal highs and lows, including being stunned by certain wins and losses. The brothers discuss various Oscar categories, celebrating wins they agreed with and lamenting those they found disappointing. They also delve into specific movies and performances, offering insights and personal anecdotes. Additionally, they suggest improvements for future Oscars, notably around the presentation of awards and the importance of showing movie clips to highlight nominees' performances. Throughout, they weave in personal stories, including Chris's house sale and Jerome's new recording studio, to add a personal touch to the Oscars discussion.

00:00 The Unexpected Oscar Moment: Emma Stone vs. Lily Gladstone

00:34 Introducing Silver Screen Happy Hour: Oscars Recap Edition

00:42 The Oscars Season Continues: Upcoming Episodes Tease

01:52 Oscar Predictions: Hits and Misses

02:29 What's in Our Glasses? A Toast to the Oscars

03:36 Personal Milestones: Celebrations and Changes

05:15 Navigating Oscar Night Without Cable: A Viewer's Dilemma

07:55 Oscar Night Highlights: Surprises and Snubs

11:34 Diving Deep into the Oscars: Technical Categories and More

27:38 The Big Wins: Analyzing the Top Oscar Categories

30:31 Oscar Night Recap: The Unexpected and the Unforgettable

31:08 Defending Robert Downey Jr.'s Oscar Moment

31:21 The Emotional Rollercoaster of Winning an Oscar

32:18 Best Actor Debate: The Controversy and the Winner

35:57 Best Actress Shock: Emma Stone's Win

41:02 Best Picture Drama: Oppenheimer's Triumph

49:16 Reflecting on the Oscars: Changes, Highlights, and Next Year's Plans

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Transcript

The Unexpected Oscar Moment: Emma Stone vs. Lily Gladstone

Jerome

I should've seen it coming. When they read her name off, I was sitting on the couch and I'm like, I fucking knew it. I knew it. Why did I think that wasn't gonna happen? It's kind of like one of those where you're like, when you're watching a Lions game, and you're like, Go for it, on forth down. Go for it, And then they don't get it, and you're like, That's why you don't go for it, on forth down, goddammit. That's kind of how my emotions were. I'm like, come on, Lily's still got this.

Lily's still got this. Come on. Lily Gladstone, just say it. And they're like, Emma Stone, and I'm like, I fuckin' knew it was going to be Emma Stone. Why did I think it was going to be lily Gladstone? Of course it's Emma Stone.

Introducing Silver Screen Happy Hour: Oscars Recap Edition

Chris

You are listening to the Silver Screen Happy Hour. I'm Chris Wiegand, along with my brother Jerome.

Jerome

I am here.

Chris

Alright.

The Oscars Season Continues: Upcoming Episodes Tease

Well the Oscars are over. We wanted to do a quick recap. We haven't gotten all of our Oscar episodes out, but for us, Oscars season is just that it's a season, right? Yes. So we start when they announced the nominees and we kind of go on from there. So, but yeah, what are we, what are we going to be doing today?

Jerome

We've already hinted, we've already told you, I think that the next episode is Barbie versus Oppenheimer, which is already in the can, right? You're just finishing it up. Yeah, that should be available soon. Available soon, and then next week we record Killers of the Flower Moon. And The Holdovers? Yes. Okay, and The Holdovers. So, we're not done yet. Just because Oscar night is done.

Chris

Holdovers of the Flower Moon, I think.

Jerome

We are not Killers of the Holdovers. I like Holdovers of the Flower Moon. I like that one. So we, we're not done. Even though the Oscars are done, we are not done because the Oscar season is when we get the best. Best of the best when it comes to film, particularly screenplays, and we get to talk about them. So today we're going to recap Sunday night's Oscars. This was just a couple of days ago. It'll be longer than that by the time you hear it.

Oscar Predictions: Hits and Misses

I have to say, starting off, I was disappointed with my 78 percent effectiveness in predicting

Chris

I was telling people and they're like, that's impressive. No, not, not if you knew him.

Jerome

No, I'm normally around 83, which is back when they had 24 nominations, it was 20. If I could get 20 out of 24, that was 83%. Now that they have only 23, I got to get 19. 19 is still a low 83, but it's an 83 nonetheless. But I didn't get, I had 50. Five wrong this year. Five wrong. I was ashamed and I'll tell you exactly where I went wrong. So let's kick it off.

Chris

Hold on, hold on.

What's in Our Glasses? A Toast to the Oscars

What are we drinking? What are we drinking?

Jerome

Now today I'm going light. I don't have any good strong alcohols today. I'm going with just my lightsabers, my Mic Ultra tall cans, the 25 ouncers. And because my brother was late getting on, I already cracked this one open. I just couldn't wait anymore. That's some might call that a problem. I don't. I'm sure I will finish this and be able to crack open a new one while we are recording. What are you drinking today, sir?

Chris

Well, I felt like, since we're covering the Oscars, it's a celebratory type of an event, and this is a celebratory type of a drink. I went it's not champagne, because it's actually made in California.

Jerome

I was going to get a bottle of champagne, too, but I thought that'd be too much.

Chris

It is an extra dry sparkling from California, with a twist top. Because I'm in a little studio and, you know, twist top works. Oh, yeah. Alright, a little pop. There you go. Got the champagne glass.

Jerome

Oh, look at you. You look like you're Tom Hanks over here.

Chris

Good bubbly?

Personal Milestones: Celebrations and Changes

Jerome

Yes, sir.

Chris

we've been holding this one out and it's appropriate. We're doing Oscars But we last week listed our house and the same day I had two offers, one for asking price, one for like 8, 000 over asking.

Jerome

Congratulations!

Chris

We accepted the 8, 000 over asking and then later in the week, it had been a rollercoaster finding a house. We had multiple offers that two of them fell through. Then we've, we found this custom built house in Port Huron Township. Beautiful home. Needs, needs some updating because I don't think the guy. Touch the carpet or paint since 1990, but because of that man, it's going to be a great place to call home and they accepted our offer. So we're going through that process now.

So hopefully, hopefully by April, we're going to close on both the first week of April. And uh, so yeah, it's going to be crazy. And I'm saying that for our audience to say. We might have a little lag in the shows but I'm hoping we can actually get the Oscar run done and then maybe we'll have a little break while we move.

Jerome

I have some exciting news myself. Yeah. With, in about two weeks, we break ground on the new recording studio.

Chris

Yes!

Jerome

In the garage.

Chris

So, it's all gonna line up. We might have to take a little break so you can get that done and I can get the move done.

Jerome

And I know I've said this joke a million times, I will say it again and I will officially be coming out of the closet.

Chris

That's a lame joke.

Jerome

Before, and I love it every time I tell it. Now, before we get to the nominations, first we have to address the elephant in

Navigating Oscar Night Without Cable: A Viewer's Dilemma

the room. One of us was able to watch this show, one of us was not.

Chris

So I'm

Jerome

What happened, sir?

Chris

So here's the thing, in the Oscars the Academy gives no shits. Because they, they don't have zero shits left to give. They have zero sh zero shits to give. Because this was a record breaking viewing, I think for the Oscars it was, it was an amazing like 19 million, which is. A decent night for the Oscars, I think I read that. But apparently they give no shits for people who don't have cable.

And I live too far away from a large city center so that even if I had bunny ears on my TV, I'm too far away to pick it up. The old way, the old analog. Actually it's not analog anymore, you need a digital antenna.

Jerome

So you'd have to stream it.

Chris

So you have to stream it, and I have no, all the streaming platforms request your cable provider, and I don't have a cable provider. All I have, well I do have Xfinity, but because I don't pay for the, the channels, I don't pay for local TV. I got nothing. And so I was trying to stream it. It was ABC, right? I was trying to, I went on ABC. com. ABC. com wanted my cable provider and everything. And I put in Xfinity and it said, no, you didn't pay for it. I'm like, God dang it.

So I couldn't watch it. So I was bitter and I was like, screw it. And then I saw the Barbie snub was near complete and I was really irritated that Oppenheimer took so many, even though I know you're happy about it. So I was like, I'm glad I didn't watch.

Jerome

We'll get to that. We'll get to that as we go.

Chris

And there's a naked guy. I didn't need to see that either.

Jerome

It's true. It's true. All of that is true. None of that is a lie. I have Fubo TV? Mm hmm. And it has live streaming, and we don't, and we pay for Fubo. Yeah. So it's not a free streaming service. So we pay for that, which is what gives us the live TV. That's how I was able to watch it.

Chris

We had sling during the football season, and I got rid of it after football.

Jerome

Well, that's what my wife, my lovely wife, said. Is like, you know, you don't watch Fubo anymore because the Lions are done. Can't we put it on hold? Like, there's a hold. Like, you can, like, cancel payments for, like, five months or whatever. She's like, we'll pick it up again in football season. I said, you have to wait until the Oscars are over. Right. Don't kill it now because I lose my live TV.

Chris

And that's the thing. I, you know, I don't watch TV and that's why I hate paying for it. But we do stream things. So we pay for internet and we stream shows on all, you know, several different streaming platforms. But the only thing I literally watch live is football and apparently the Oscars. Didn't get to watch it.

Oscar Night Highlights: Surprises and Snubs

Jerome

So let's jump right in. Yeah. I am going to say, I'm going to start from the bottom up, and this is not meant to sound offensive to those that are involved in the short film industry, but we're going to address your films first, not because you don't matter, but just because you really don't matter. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm joking. I'm joking.

Chris

What a dick.

Jerome

I actually, I actually love, here's a funny thing, I actually love when I take the girls to see, my kids are still young, And when I take them to see, like, I want to say a month ago, I took them to see Migration. Which they had already seen, but it's like the only kids movie out right now. So if I wanted to treat them to the movies, I gotta watch the same movie again. They don't care, they love it. This year, or this, this time that I took them, they played an animated short.

And I love when they do that because sometimes they're up for Oscars and I actually get a chance to see them. I don't have the time to go to the theater because they have theaters that will play Oscar nominated short films. I didn't have the time to do that. I almost never do. You know, I'm sorry to say, but there are categories I'm intrigued by. And this year was particularly interesting in the short film category. Let's start off first though with a documentary feature.

It was the one shoe in, 20 Days of Mariple. Everyone knew that one was going to win. That was one of the ones I got right. But then of the short films, there was three shorts. By the way, a little side bit real quick. On my score sheet, I printed up a score sheet, a checklist, if you will, and I keep score as the show is going on. Right. You pointed out to me, and you were correct, that I had misplaced the titles of the documentary short film and the documentary feature. I had them swapped.

Right. So, 20 Days in Miracle, which is actually a documentary feature, was under my documentary short. And here's the funny part, I didn't even realize it when they were in the middle of the Oscars. Kate McKinnon was giving out the award and said documentary short, and I'm like, huh, she screwed that up. It's a documentary feature. I didn't even, I didn't even catch it! That, that I was possibly the one that was wrong! How could you be wrong? And mistyped it, right.

I thought she had had a few drinks. And she flubbed it. Sorry Kate, I guess you were right and I was wrong. But in the documentary short film category, The Last Repair Shop was the other shoe in. Some people were saying that the ABCs of book banning was gonna win. Last Repair Shop pulled it out. Now, the other two categories are even more interesting, well at least one of them is.

The animated short film was War is Over, inspired by music by John and Yoko, another shoe in everyone knew that was gonna win. So those three were easy for me, those were three for three. The fourth one I also got right, but here's the interesting thing about it. The wonderful story of Henry Sugar was the one that won live, best live action short. Who was not there to accept the Oscar, the filmmaker behind it, Wes Anderson.

Hmm. Which a lot of people don't know this, that was his first Oscar out of seven nominations. Oh wow. He's normally, yeah, he's normally the guy, he's known for, if you don't know the name. Oh yeah. He was the man behind the Royal Tenenbaums and the Grand Budapest Hotel. You know, he's, he's a unique writer, director, and he'd been nominated seven times and didn't win. And he goes at it on the short film level and he nails it right out of the park.

And of course he's not even there to accept the Oscar, which was a total bummer, because I was glad to see that Wes Anderson finally won an Oscar. He's so deserving. Everyone thought, including myself, it was one of the ones I got wrong the year that Grand Budapest Hotel came out. I thought that was shoo in to win Wes Anderson his first Oscar in the screenwriting category. And it didn't win.

Diving Deep into the Oscars: Technical Categories and More

Alright, moving on up here, let's get into some techs. Some technical ones. Visual effects, another shoe in. Godzilla minus one, really had this one in the bag. Another one I haven't seen, but the buzz it was. So by the way, for you guys that want to know, like, how does he get these right if he's never seen these films. When I'm in California, it's a lot easier now that I'm in California. When I was living in Chicago and Detroit. It wasn't as easy.

I really had to just guess or see what other publications were saying and say, okay, three out of four magazines say this guy's going to win.

Chris

And that was pre internet too.

Jerome

So, yeah, yeah. So I actually had to buy Entertainment Weekly and Movieline magazine. See what people were saying. Right, and see what people were saying. Now that I'm out here, it's a lot easier as you get closer. I don't make predictions anymore weeks ahead of time. I always wait and drop it like the day before. I wait all the way to the end because after the voting is all done.

People start to talk and you hold your ear to the sidewalk and you can hear the tea leaves of What everyone's talking about right and you start to get this Everybody in town is saying the last repair shop everybody in town is saying the wonderful story of Henry You know what? I mean? Like you start to hear the buzz and that's when I'm like, okay These guys are going to win. It's not foolproof. As you can see, I got five wrong, which means that even the front runners got a little wake up call.

Yeah. The next three were all upsets. As far as I'm concerned, I had all three of these wrong. And I'm SHOCKED. The poor things. And I, and I'm gonna tell ya, I got scared. I got scared that poor things was, was trying to make a run. I posted on Facebook, I'm sure you saw it. I said, poor things is trying to slay the dragon tonight. So, the three were in question are best sound, best costume design, and best makeup and hairstyling. So Best Makeup and Hairstyling, man, everybody had Maestro.

They didn't have it penciled in. They had it written in concrete. That one was dead. Dead far and away, it's supposed to be Maestro's only Oscar for the night. Maestro walks away with zero Oscars because he got upset in that category by Poor Things. Yeah. That was the start. I think when that happened, I remember thinking, oh, Poor Things is going to try to make a run here. And then it wins costume design and that was supposed to go to Barbie.

So Barbie's first real big loss was Poor Things really coming out swinging. It's like if you're in a heavyweight fight and you're the underdog, you're But you get those first two uppercuts in right off the bat and put the champ on the ropes. That's what poor things did with those two because those were early on in the night.

Chris

It's funny though, because you were mentioning what was the Bradley Cooper movie Maestro. In, in the podcast that has not aired yet you were talking about how you thought Bradley Cooper was going to get his Oscar and how Greta was going to get hers in the writing category. I was sure of it! Yeah. So it's, it's, I'm glad we're talking about this now because on the next episode that people are going to hear the Oscars have already happened, but it was recorded before.

So I'm going to have to give a disclaimer at the beginning of the show. We recorded that around the time the nominations came

Jerome

out because we talked about the nominations. So that tells you how far off my predictions were then when I started to hear the tea leaves and I started to understand that. Greta was not going to win. You know, my predictions changed. Let's move around there a little bit. Original song, that was another shoe in. Billie Eilish.

Chris

I'm so glad she won that one though.

Jerome

Dude, you really have to YouTube it since you didn't get to see it live. Her performance was on, I, it's another post I made on Facebook. I said, Billie nailed it. It was such a great performance and you could tell she was nervous. First time ever performing at the Oscars. Certainly it's not the biggest room she's ever performed in front of, but to know that a billion other people are watching? Right!

You could tell she was nervous as fuck and when she, there was times when she looked at the guy playing the piano to be like, Alright man, carry me, carry me through this, and then when it was over, she looks immediately at him with this smile like, We fucking did it! We did it! The song is over. Yeah, I gotta, I have a YouTube video. I can't possibly screw up right now. I can't possibly fuck up now. The song is over. Like, it's just a sigh of relief comes over her face.

And then when everybody goes nuts and clapping, you can see how much she loves it. She nailed it. It was so awesome. And then for her to win was great. She couldn't even get out an acceptance speech at first. She was just like laughing. Yeah, it was pretty good. It was really good. So all staying in the music category, best original score. Went to Oppenheimer, which we expected. That was that one was an easy one. But, it's interesting to note, John Williams was nominated again.

This time for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. Trivia, how many Oscars does John Williams have in his career?

Chris

I have no idea.

Jerome

He has five. Okay. Which, for a composer, is pretty damn good. How many Oscar nominations does he have? Remember, this is the guy that did Superman, Star Wars, Indiana Jones. I know, I mean E. T.

Chris

I have no idea. 20. I mean, it makes sense, but

Jerome

He had 20 for breakfast. He has 54 Oscar nominations. Are you serious? And he's the oldest ever to be nominated at 91 years old. Wow. But here's the kicker. He doesn't even have the most. What? He's in second place with 54 nominations. Guess who has 59 Oscar nominations in his career? Who? Walt Disney. Oh my gosh. So he's only behind the great Walt Disney, who by the way I think he'll catch him.

Not only do I, he'll probably catch him if he stays alive, but it's a little unfair because back then, like, Disney was the only one doing that kind of shit. Yeah, at first he was nominated. In an animated feature category, he was nominated five times. Right, yeah, he got all five. Yeah, so it's, that's not even fair. I mean, the fact that John Williams has 54 over his career is way far more amazing. It's impressive, yeah.

Okay, production design, that one I did call for Poor Things, and it was, it, it, it hit, and that one was correct. At the time that hit though, that was Poor Things third Oscar already, and Oppenheimer hadn't won any yet. Right. So I was starting to think, oh, oh, where is the, where is it pointing here? I took a little shot to the face on my animated feature. I did not have The Boy and the Heron winning. I had Spider Man Across the Spider Verse.

Now I should have seen this one coming because this was actually a sequel to Spider Man Into the Spider Verse, which came out five years ago. And that one did win animated feature. So I don't, you know, I mean, everyone was saying Spider Man was going to win again. I should have known better. They're not going to do this twice. But my girls were also disappointed because they wanted Elemental to win, which by the way, going back to best song, I'm actually surprised that the song from Elemental.

By the group Love. I think it's called Steal the Show. I'm really surprised that didn't get nominated. That's totally an Oscar type of song. From a Disney movie. You know what I mean? I was really surprised Elemental didn't get a Best Song nomination. I would have put it in ahead of I'm Just Ken. I know that was a big production at the Oscars. Again, something you might want to YouTube.

Chris

I did watch that one. I saw it, someone posted it on Facebook, so I watched it.

Jerome

Yeah, Slash, slash showed up and performed. That was badass. I get it. It was a great production. Steal the Show from Elemental, I think was a better song than I'm Just Ken. So I'm really surprised. I think the Barbie hype is what got it two songs in one category. Moving over to the other big shoe in Best International Feature. They used to call it Best Foreign Film, now it's International Feature. The Zone of Interest, which was up for Best Picture wins this one easily.

Normally, when you're up for Best Picture and Best Foreign Film, International feature, you're gonna get best international feature. Yeah. I mean, if you were that good to crack the top 10 of best overall picture, this one you usually have.

Chris

Didn't that one also star the same actor that was uh, the woman that was in

Jerome

Anatomy of Fall?

Chris

Anatomy of Fall? Yeah.

Jerome

Sandra Huller so here's what I knew.

Chris

She did it. She did it.

Jerome

She's fucking guilty. And now you know. Now, when you see the reception that that movie got, and if you see, you know, wait, we're not there yet. Let's get there. Let's get there.

Chris

Okay, go ahead.

Jerome

So the next two awards, put me back at ease that Oppenheimer was fending off the early blast by Poor Things. It nailed both film editing and cinematography, and these are two big ones if you're trying to win Best Picture. Yeah. If you can get editing and cinematography, and I was worried because Poor Things was nominated for both, and I remember thinking, here's how we'll know. We'll know if it's going to be a Poor Things night if they win one of these two.

Oppenheimer's in trouble, but Oppenheimer won both. So I was like, okay, Oppenheimer's gonna, now, for those of you saying, why were you so for Oppenheimer? Oppenheimer to me was the best film of the year. Now I have changed my opinion. On what my favorite movie of the year was. I have been saying it was Oppenheimer since last August. Because since last August, Oppenheimer was my favorite film. And then something happened.

Chris

Well, what's your favorite?

Jerome

Which brings us to the adapted screenplay category. Before the Oscars were on. By the way, they started an hour early this year. I don't know if you know that. It started at four California time. That's normally five o'clock. Yeah, man. That threw me off because I had shit to do. I was like running errands at Target and I'm like, fuck, I got to get back. One of the things I had to do was I had to do laundry that morning. Fold a bunch of clothes to laundry. So I'm like, you know what?

I'm going to stream one of the movies I hadn't seen yet. Because I wanted to try to get as many of these, of the top ten, of the top, of the ten films that were nominated. I wanted to get as many of them done as possible. There was one I didn't get to. Well, there's a couple. I did not see Zone of Interest. Turns out, that's the only one left I hadn't seen. Okay. I was at nine, and there was one more that I hadn't seen yet. And it was available to stream if you rented it for four bucks.

So I did it.

Chris

What movie?

Jerome

American Fiction.

Chris

Oh.

Jerome

And I watched that literally hours before the Oscars. And I gotta say, that is my favorite movie of the year.

Chris

Really? So I, I didn't even care for it that much. I thought it was okay. When I, when I saw it, I thought it was gonna be more of a comedy because all the funny parts were were, were in the trailer.

Jerome

But it was, it was funny as shit. Not all the parts.

Chris

It was funny, but I, I saw all the funny parts in the trailer.

Jerome

But, but that's what I love about movies like that. Yeah. They're dramas. They're not comedies that have drama. They're dramas that have comedy. Yeah. And Sterling K. Brown, who was up for Best Supporting Actor, God, he was so funny.

Chris

Yeah, he was great. I loved him in that movie. He was great. My favorite movie of the year was The Holdovers.

Jerome

I loved that one, too. I actually bought that one.

Chris

I told you I enjoyed that one from beginning to end. I wish I would have bought it when I rented it. I'll probably end up buying it, but

Jerome

I was at Target one day, not the day in question. This was months ago. And I saw it on Blu ray. So I said, you know what? I love every movie that this guy's done. Yeah. And I'm gonna buy it because I love him and I love Paul Giamatti, who's always awesome. So, I'm just gonna buy it. I know it's up for all these Oscars, I'm gonna buy it. How, how bad can it possibly be? And I did, I loved it too. I thought it was great. But man, American Fiction, just had me rolling.

Just, I, one of my favorite scenes is where he tries to get, The people away from this book, that he doesn't want them to buy it, and he goes, You know what? I'm gonna change the name. They're like, what are you gonna change it to? He's like, "Fuck"! And they're like, we love it! That was his big move to get them to scare them off. And they love it. They were reading the book, fuck. I mean, it was, God, I mean, it was so great.

I think maybe just because I'm a writer, and from a writer's point of view, this is the kind of movie that speaks to you. You know, this was such a writer's movie. And I was rolling. And so I was more than happy to agree with the hype that it was going to win Best Adapted Screenplay, and it did. And that's where we're at now. The Writing Awards. We got everything else, right? Yeah, so Best Adapted Screenplay beating out Greta for Barbie.

Now, again, you could argue, should Greta have even been in that category? You know, that's the big controversy this year. Barbie should have been in the Original Screenplay category. And I think it was for some early award shows. Didn't we talk about that? Wasn't it like, it was nominated for Best Original Screenplay at like, the Globes I think you said WGA, I think. You're talking about Barbie? Writers Guild, yeah.

Chris

Yeah, in that last episode that's gonna air after this one, the one that we recorded that I'm editing, the one about Barbie, you said that in the other two big awards, I think Globes and I forget the other one.

Jerome

I think it was WGA. I think it was the Writers Guild.

Chris

Yeah, the SAG maybe?

Jerome

Well, SAG is actors.

Chris

Oh, right. But Anyways, you said it was It was nominated in the other category. So Yeah. Yeah.

Jerome

So that's So that's the big controversy. Christopher Nolan, of course, didn't win because, you know, they knew they were gonna give it the top prize. This was a shot for Tony McNamara for Poor Things. Mm hmm. Because, again, if Poor Things was gonna win, this would have been a big indicator. I'm glad it went to American Fiction. Again, I had, it was one of the ones I hadn't seen. Ends up being my favorite film of the year. It wasn't the best film of the year.

I still think Oppenheimer was the best overall movie of the year. I was pulling for it to win the Oscars that it did. Moving over to best original screenplay.

Chris

Hold on, was, was that the only thing American fiction took in?

Jerome

Yes, that's the only award it won.

Chris

Yeah, well I'm glad it won something. It was, it was good. I mean, but to me, like, I don't know, like I said, my expectations were higher for the comedy side, but it ended up being more of a drama to me, you know, so.

Jerome

Certainly his part was mostly dramatic. The brother is the one that brought

Chris

Yeah, Sterling K. Brown was awesome, man.

Jerome

They're loading up his bags in the trunk, and he's already drinking whiskey or something, and he's like, Goddamn, dude, it's eight in the morning. He's like, I'm not flying the fucking plane, Monk! And then when he's in his kitchen with this gay lover, and he's all, Are you offended that I've taken a lover? He's like, No, I'm offended that you used the term taking a lover.

Chris

Right, I know. That was good.

Jerome

Oh man, I don't know man, that movie just had me rolling. I'm folding clothes and V was in the room, my wife was in the room because she was doing tax stuff and so she was at the desk doing taxes and every time I'm laughing she kept turning around like what are you watching? I'm like this movie is hilarious man.

Chris

Yeah, so Jessie and I saw that at the theater.

Jerome

Yeah, I kept thinking that you said you had already seen it early on, right? You saw it before.

Chris

Yeah,

Jerome

yeah,

Chris

after it was nominated. But still.

Jerome

Oh, the nomination's already come out. Okay, cool. Yeah, I, I really, I, I enjoy it. It was my favorite one to watch. Okay, so moving over to best original screenplay, which is usually my favorite category. Cause I'm an original screenwriter. I, I very, I have adapted. I rarely adapt. I usually write original screenplays, so this is my favorite category.

Chris

And you called this one too, right?

Jerome

Called this one and, and totally deserving, Anatomy of a Fault. Now, I, I, Again, if you watched it from your goggles, you might say, Why would this movie win Best Original Screenplay?

Chris

Yeah, because at the end of that movie, I thought, Nah. Okay, but after you told me your spin, I was like, oh shit, I gotta rewatch it.

Jerome

And I feel like everybody thought the same thing I did. Yeah. Because that's why they gave it Best Original Screenplay. They saw it and thought the same thing. Like, holy shit, she's guilty, and what a creative way to write this movie.

Chris

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jerome

Okay, here we go. Ready? Here we go. That was for Justin Therrier and Arthur Harari, who won the Oscar for For Anatomy of the Fall, which by the way, again, because you didn't get to see it, The dog was there.

Chris

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you said that.

Jerome

He was in the crowd, and Jimmy Kimmel even mentioned, he's like, For those of you who haven't seen it, This dog has an overdose scene, And everybody was going nuts, like, That just proves to me that that dog was acting. They did not drug this dog. Like, that dog did that shit.

Chris

Well, they should have made him like, perform on stage, drop dead with his tongue hanging out.

Jerome

And his eyes rolling back, that dog, I'm telling you, I said it before, that dog is the Daniel Day Lewis of fucking canines, dude. I mean, that was amazing. Okay, so now we're into the top six here.

The Big Wins: Analyzing the Top Oscar Categories

I should have gone six for six. I went five for six. Let's do the easy ones first. Supporting roles. Robert Downey Jr. wins for Oppenheimer. We knew that. And Da'Vine Joy Randolph for the Holdovers. Another one I knew was going to happen. She was so great. She was the glue that held that movie together, I thought.

Chris

And that was the only nod that the Holdovers got, right?

Jerome

That was the only one they won? It's the only one they won, yeah. It's the only Oscar they took home. And she was well deserved. Oh God, she was so great. And like I said, As great as Paul Giamatti is and as great as the writing is and those were obviously a delight the entire time you're watching the film. She's the glue, man. She brings the the whole Subplot about her son being killed in Vietnam, and you just know that she needs

Chris

Well, you had mentioned it before, without the, the, like, sometimes the best supporting actor Like, you, you mentioned Obi Wan, right? In the original Star Wars. It's, it's not just the, I don't know, sometimes they hold it together. They, they bring the, the characters together, and they, they kind of keep the story moving along. And, yeah, it's, and she did all that.

Jerome

Yeah, she's, she's she's the B story. You know, when we talk, we go to break that down next week, we'll talk about again the beats and we'll see where she fits in on the beats. Right. Moving over to Robert Downey Jr. now. A lot of people didn't like this one.

Chris

I was happy with it, even though I wasn't happy with, I was less happy with Cillian Murphy winning. Cause remember I just, I was upset that he got nominated for staring with PTSD. Like, come on man, I was not sympathetic.

Jerome

We're not there yet, we're not that, at that award yet. But I think what people were upset about, Actually, I don't think they were upset, honestly. About Robert Downey Jr.? Yeah, there was a few people. So, one of the things was, is, you know, they said the same thing about when Angela Bassett lost last year in the Best Supporting Actress category. They kept saying, Oh, they should have won for this. This is BS. This is a conspiracy. They should have won, blah, blah, blah.

They should have won for something else. Blah, blah, blah. All I heard all weekend, After the Oscars, at least all Sunday night, was Robert Downey Jr. should have won for Chaplin back in 91. He lost to Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs. He wasn't gonna win Chaplin, alright?

Chris

Yeah, and he was relatively new as far as a big name.

Jerome

Yeah, oh yeah, he wasn't a huge name yet, right, right, right. But also, the other thing that angered people was, I guess when he went up on stage, he took the Oscar from key, key, key. What's, oh shit. We had his name from everything everywhere else. Once, oh, short round. I'll just call him Short round So, so offensive. I guess calling him by his character name when he was a child. I could call

Oscar Night Recap: The Unexpected and the Unforgettable

him Data. Data from the Goonies. No. Ki ki way. Kwan Kii. Yeah. Just, just kidding. Kiwi. Love you. We all love him. Everyone loves him. He was so excited about presenting that part of the award. Oh, I bet. And then he was the one that got the hand. Downey the Oscar. Yeah, and everyone was miffed that he got up on stage. He shook two of the dude's hands. I can't remember which two of the five he shook, but he didn't even look at keyway when he took the oscar Oh, really?

And he was and he just sort of like took it and looked off.

Chris

Yeah, that's a missed opportunity. Mr Junior, mr. Downey

Jerome

and everybody was upset. He didn't even acknowledge him.

Defending Robert Downey Jr.'s Oscar Moment

So here's my defense of robert downey jr I don't care how many times you've practiced your Oscar speech in your bathroom mirror, when you fucking get your name called, I cannot imagine

Chris

Oh, your mind's racing,

The Emotional Rollercoaster of Winning an Oscar

I can't, yeah.

Jerome

What you're thinking when you get up I mean, actresses have tripped going up the stairs on their dress. Because they've probably practiced that move a hundred times and they still fuck it up after their name is called because you have no idea what's going through their head. It's amazing. And then you get up there and all these people are clapping and you're like, I don't even know, you know what I mean? Like, shit, I've completely forgotten my acceptance speech. Right? Right.

I can't imagine what he was thinking.

Chris

Well, to your point, I mean, Emma Stone. Yeah, I did see I don't know if I saw her entire speech, but oh my God, it was like a blabbering mess, but it was awesome, right? Because you want, you want that real emotion when someone wins, you know?

Jerome

Absolutely. That's what people love. That's what people love. And so I'm going to give him a little bit of defense on that. But he did win. He was projected to win. He was a sure win. Percentage wise, I'm still looking okay. Until we get to Best Actress.

Best Actor Debate: The Controversy and the Winner

Actually, let's do Best Actor first. So, Cillian Murphy was another one that,

Chris

Boo. I'm a dick. I'm like, booing this guy for his Oscar win.

Jerome

Here's the funny thing. Paul Giamatti might have been the closest competitor, right?

Chris

And that's who I wanted.

Jerome

It was really between him and Paul Giamatti. Although Having watched American Fiction right before the Oscars, I remember thinking, Jeffrey Wright, man! Come on, he's got a shot! I mean, I started to like, but, but, like, like I said, it was really Sterling K. Brown that stole the show in that movie. As good as Jeffrey Wright was, it was, I don't think it was anything that was, I mean, let's, let's be honest, looking at this group, there's not a Rain Man in here. You know what I mean?

There's not a Forrest Gump in here. This is, you know, this is not one, there's no Al Pacino's playing a blind guy. You know what I mean? Like

Chris

Yeah, well, I mean, I guess the closest thing would have been Cillian Murphy with his accent. Right? I mean

Jerome

Maybe, yeah.

Chris

Because He had, I mean, that was acting, for sure.

Jerome

Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, I, I honestly believe that when Michael Caine won Best Supporting Actor for Cider House Rules, it was because he's a Brit who nailed that Boston accent. I mean, you would have thought he was American. Yeah. I mean, his voice was amazing in that movie. Like, he didn't miss a beat. With that Boston accent New England accent, I guess I should say. So, I guess, yeah, to that point, he really nailed the, the dialogue.

But, I, I just think when you're carrying a three hour film that you're rarely off screen. Like, he, I want to say the only times he's not on screen is the, is the Robert Downey Jr. scenes. And not even all of them. He's in, he's in some of those too. But the Robert Downey Jr. with the Han Solo you know, the scenes where those guys have together. You know what I'm talking about? The guy that plays Solo in the new movie, Solo. Oh, right. Alden, Alden something. I forget his name. Sorry.

Yeah, I have the I have to look it up. But Those scenes where they're in together are the only scenes that Oppenheimer's not in. That Cillian Murphy isn't in. He carries most of a three hour film. And, and yes, you said there was a lot of staring. I think he wore the emotions perfectly. I think there was a lot of times where you saw it in his eyes.

Chris

And part of me poo pooing his performance, it says more about my lack of empathy for the man Oppenheimer, not the actor playing Oppenheimer.

Jerome

Well, I mean, we can't do that.

Chris

Well, that's what I did 100%.

Jerome

Did you have sympathy for Hannibal Lecter? I mean, you know? I mean, obviously, you play, again, and I've heard that argument. So far the last couple days on the internet, too. 275, 000 people dead and we award him an Oscar. They know that that's not the real Oppenheimer, right? That there was an actor playing him? Right. Come on, guys. Like, fucking And again, and this is a good argument that you have.

I'm sure all these people would give their Oscars back to have the atrocities not happen in real life. Oh, sure. But they did, right? I'm sure Charlize Theron would say, I'd rather not be an Academy Award winning actress if Aileen Wuornos didn't murder a bunch of people and then I play her in a movie. Right? Like, bad people have movies made about them. It's just the way it is. And sometimes if the performances are good, they win Oscars. We're not honoring the atrocities that they did.

We're honoring the fucking actor or actress that portrayed them. Let's not lose focus on that. I mean, you know, I mean, but, I don't know. I thought, I thought he was great.

Chris

So, I'm less upset about him winning Best Actor as I am about Oppenheimer winning Best Pitcher.

Jerome

Okay, we'll get to that. We're not there yet. So, Best Actress.

Best Actress Shock: Emma Stone's Win

Move along to Best Actress, which was one of my big wrongs. And again, if I normally get four wrong, this was my fifth wrong of the night. And it ruined my score, dropped it down to 78 percent as it were. I really was surprised. Now, I wasn't that surprised that During the night because the way poor things was going.

Yeah, I remember thinking Emma's gonna win this She's gonna fucking end up winning this because it's obvious that they love poor things So they're gonna give it to him, but I kept fighting it and I still had Lily up until that night up until that moment I was still come on Lily's got this and here's the reason why She won the SAG award.

Yeah, she had all the momentum And you know, I know that Emma won a few and then Lily won a few, but the SAG is usually the tiebreaker before you get to the Oscars. And I got to say, it's roughly like 75, 80 percent of the time, whoever wins the SAG wins the Oscar. There are a few exceptions. I, I, I'd have to look it up. I know off the top of my head, I know Frances McDormand for Nomadland. She did not win the SAG, but she won the Oscar. I want to say Olivia Colman for The Favorite.

She won, She did not win the SAG, but she won the Oscar. So it does happen. Like I said, 75 80 percent of the time, though, whoever wins that SAG award, because that's all the actors, which is the largest branch of the Academy. So when the actors pick somebody to win their union award,

Chris

Yeah, chances are they're voting for them for the Oscar too.

Jerome

Chances are, the biggest branch of the Academy is gonna vote for them for Best Actress for the Oscars. So it was a little shocking. But when you think about it, and here's why it makes sense. And by the way, I have to say,

Chris

I'm gonna let that fizz a little bit there. I love the intermittent little, little pours.

Jerome

Yeah. It's the sound my pee makes when it's in the toilet. Oh God. It starts bubbling and fizzing. That might be a problem. I have to get that checked. Okay So, in hindsight, hindsight's 20 20, here's what I was talking about earlier when I said I should have seen this one coming. I should have seen this one coming. Not just because poor things came out of the gate swinging, but because when somebody, or, oh, by the other way, the other thing is, Emma Stone's already won an Oscar.

She already won for La La Land. Right. So I'm like, she already won one, right? Lily hasn't won anything yet. She's the first Native American woman to ever be nominated for an Oscar. This is, and she won the SAG. So this is a guarantee. This is a shoe in. Here's why I shouldn't have been so naive and why I shouldn't have gotten blindsided. First of all, the whole belief that it's an honor just to be nominated. You're the first Native American actress to be nominated for an Oscar.

They probably thought that was enough. You got nominated. That's pretty big. Here's the other thing. Emma Stone played a character, which now in hindsight, I have to say, I have to admit that even though I thought Lily Gladstone was going to win, Emma Stone's was the best performance of the year. Mm. Arguably in both categories.

Chris

I haven't seen it yet.

Jerome

Arguably. But from what I know about it. In all four acting categories, Emma Stone's was the best of the year. Wow. So. That says a lot. Wait till you see it. Now so she plays somebody I don't wanna give away too much of it, but she basically has to, her brain has to develop. She starts off with a baby's brain that William Defoe put in her head, and she has to age. Gradually,

Chris

but she's got a young woman's body or something like that.

Jerome

Yeah. She's got yeah, like a like a 20s Something body, but she's got a child's brain and it has to develop but it advances a faster rate than most people but as she progresses from this childlike person at the beginning Who's still learning how to walk and talk to how she is at the end? Is the growth of a child to an adulthood that we see in two hours And it's the kind of film and this is again Why I shouldn't have been blindsided by this. Dustin Hoffman had already won an Oscar.

But when Rain Man came out, they were like, Eh, we gotta give it to him. That's, Rain Man's too amazing. Too amazing of a performance. Tom Hanks just won an Oscar for Philadelphia, and then Forrest Gump comes out. And they're like, Oh, but this, this, this handicap thing, it gets us every time. We gotta give it to him. I should have seen this one coming. Emma Stone had already won one, but this was one of those, quote unquote, handicap performances that you just can't get around. Right?

So I should have seen it coming. When they read her name off, I was sitting on the couch and I'm like, I fucking knew it. I knew it. Why did I think that was gonna happen? It's kind of like one of those where you're like, when you're watching a Lions game, and you're like, go for it on 4th down, go for it 4th, and then they don't get it, and you're like, that's why you don't go for it on 4th down, goddammit. That's kind of how my emotions were. I'm like, come on, Lily still got this.

Lily still got this. Come on. Lily Gladstone. Just say it. And they're like, Emma Stone. And I'm like, I fucking knew it. I knew it was going to be Emma Stone. Why did I think it was going to be Lily Gladstone? Of course it's Emma Stone. So it was one of those. I knew it. I just knew it.

Best Picture Drama: Oppenheimer's Triumph

Which of course takes us to the last two of the night. The two big ones. Christopher Nolan, of course. Best director for Oppenheimer. And then best picture Oppenheimer. Seven Oscars, man. You can't, I mean, it. It was technically, technically speaking, and as far as acting is concerned, obviously it won two acting awards. It was the best film of the year. It's the best made film of the year. My favorite, personal favorite, was American Fiction. A lot of people's favorites was Poor Things.

Poor Things I think was too out there though to win the top prize.

Chris

My favorite was The Holdovers.

Jerome

And The Holdovers is good, but I wouldn't even say Holdovers is bad. Pain and Giamatti's best connection. I always liked Sideways. I should have thought they both should have went for Sideways. That's my favorite Giamatti movie. But again, he plays a writer in that. You see where this is going? And by the way, American fiction was very much felt like an Alexander Payne movie. The music, the pacing.

I remember watching it going, if this was a white version of this movie, it would be Paul Giamatti and Alexander Payne directing. Like, this is the black version of Paul Giamatti movies. That's how I felt. And, and again, that's why I like sideways and that's why I liked American fiction, but Oppenheimer, no, it was the best film of the year. It is the best film of the year. Everyone was like, Oh, killers of the flower moon that walked away with zero Oscars.

Yeah. You know, and again, we're going to cover that next week. I watched that one. Yeah. I don't want to talk too much about it, but I did watch that one the night, but the day before the Oscars on Saturday and it's good. It's Scorsese good. But it's not Goodfellas. You know what I mean? It's not, it's not a film that I thought, oh my god, stop all the presses. This is the one that's gonna sweep the awards. It's important, but I don't think it's any more important than Oppenheimer is.

Especially, Oppenheimer's very topical to today. As far as, you know, you see the wars that are going on in the world. How close we are at any moment for any, any world leader could end the world. Yeah. I thought it was topical. I thought it was the best made. It was very well acted. It was amazingly directed. Again, we're going to release that episode. You're going to hear my thoughts on the beats. What did you think overall? You wanted the Holdovers.

Chris

I wanted Holdovers. I wish they had better showing. But, you know, it is what it is. I'm going to have to figure something out for next year if I'm going to be doing a movie podcast. I mean, I gotta watch, I'm gonna have to fly to California to watch the Oscars with ya.

Jerome

Yeah, well, I mean, well the funny thing is, and don't tell my wife, it doesn't matter, she never listens to these podcasts anyway. But I remember thinking, you know what, next year I'm going to watch this at somebody else's house. Because she still thinks it's a regular Sunday. Oh, are you going to get the kids in their jammies? Are you going to? And I'm like, I'm fucking watching the Oscars, man. It's like Super Bowl Sunday. What are you talking about? Just act like I'm at work.

I'm not here right now. Like, what? And I hate to be a deadbeat dad and deadbeat husband, but it was Oscar night. She's like, so I'm on my own. I'm like, kinda? I mean, it's Oscars. And the worst thing is, I'm like, she's known me for, she's done, this is like her 11th Oscars with me. I'm like, we do this every year. The 11th time! Don't you, I, you don't get it by now? This is bigger to me than the Super Bowl. Yeah. But anyway.

Chris

Maybe you should fly back here and you can watch, we can have a an Oscar party. An Oscar party? With you know, Kaitlynn and all the kids that want to be part of that.

Jerome

By the way, I sent Kaitlynn my pics again this year as I do every year. I didn't hear a peep from her this year. Did she not have pics?

Chris

I don't know. I think they were dealing with I think they had a stomach bug or something last weekend. So they might have been a little occupied. Even more

Jerome

the reason to be on the couch with a blanket over you watching the Oscars.

Chris

She'll probably hate me for putting this in here. I'll have to cut it all out.

Jerome

Oh no. We air our dirty laundry on this show. So anyway, I came in at 78 percent normally at 83 if I had one Emma Stone, if I had one Lily, rather Gladstone beating Emma Stone.

Chris

In spite of my disappointment, I love this season. I love doing this with you. So I'm glad glad we got to sit down and record this.

Jerome

real quick. I would I needed two actually I needed the Lily Gladstone and one of those costume or makeup ones to hit my 83 But poor things really pissed in my beer that night All right, six degrees. So what? are the rules. This is weird because we're not doing two movies.

Chris

Yeah, this is weird. So you, asked for two actors in the acting categories. You didn't specify best actor, best actress, supporting actor, supporting actress.

Jerome

Any category, any acting category.

Chris

So I threw two actors at you hoping that it would be a little difficult because we, the point is we want to see if it's possible that there's two actors that cannot be connected within six degrees. So I went with Sandra Huller, is that how you say it? Yeah, I think it's Huller. Huller? Huller. From, uh, Anatomy of a Fall. And Da'Vine Joy Rudolph from The Holdovers.

Jerome

Who won for The Holdovers. Yeah. Okay, and I can't use those movies. They can't use The Holdovers.

Chris

Yeah, and you can't use either of those two movies.

Jerome

Which, technically, I can't use Zone of Interest either. Not that I would, but I can't technically use that either. Because that was also in the Oscars. Actually, she wasn't nominated for that though. She was only nominated for Anatomy of a Fall.

Chris

Well, okay.

Jerome

I wouldn't have used it anyway. There was nobody else in that movie that I knew anyway. Alright. This actually was a tough one. I had to go deep on this one.

Chris

Well, Sandra being a, mainly a foreign film star.

Jerome

A lot of German films in her history. And one of them in 2009 was called Fraulein Stins Travels the World. Okay. Martin Brombach was in that film. Another actor a foreign actor. I guess you should say international actor. In 2008, just the year before, he was in The Reader. That big movie with Kate Winslet that was, I think, up for a bunch of Oscars. Kate Winslet, of course, was in Avatar 2, Way of the Water, 2022, with Stephen Lang. You know him.

He was the, he was Ike in Tombstone, and he was in the first Avatar. He's the bad guy in the Avatar movies, basically. He did a movie in 2022 called The Lost City, which had, I believe, Sandra Bullock

Chris

Yeah, that was a great, I enjoyed that movie. That was a fun movie.

Jerome

You know who else was in that?

Chris

Brad Pitt.

Jerome

You know who else? Da'Vine Joy Randolph.

Chris

Really? What she, what, what, what she played, do you remember? Did you see it?

Jerome

No, I'd never seen it.

Chris

I'm trying to remember. Oh, you're right. I do remember her now. That was a good movie.

Jerome

So

Chris

I, I highly recommend if you want an entertaining movie to watch, rent that one.

Jerome

So I didn't see I don't remember her character name, but anyway, so that's four. Fraulein Stins, The Reader, Avatar 2, and The Lost City. So we connected them in four without using their Oscar nominated films.

Chris

Damn, that's good. Well done, sir.

Jerome

Yeah, pretty good for Sandra Huller, who got a nomination, two big films, two of her films were up for Best Picture this year. You're gonna start seeing a lot of her, this always happens. Yep. You know, she's gonna start popping up in more English language films. You know, big for her, good for her.

Chris

She's a great actress. I mean, I, yeah, I thought she was, I thought she nailed it in in Anatomy of a Fall.

Jerome

Yeah, I think you're gonna see a lot more of Da'Vine Joy Randolph as well. Yeah. You know, this always happens. Hopefully we see more, uh, Jeffrey Wright and Paul Giamatti. They're both, you know, they're not struggling either. Both of them have been making movies every year. But hopefully now when your Spielberg or your Scorsese says, I need a lead. You know, they call one of these guys instead of one of their regular guys. I'd like to see jeffrey write more god.

He's he was just so good and and Sterling K Brown, you know I and and again, Sterling K Brown He's been around for a long time People don't realize how long he's

Chris

I I remember first from This is us the tv show And then I saw him in a couple other tv shows. I think he was in mrs. Mazel

Jerome

but he was also in that made for the american crime story the oj Yeah, he was great in that. He played guard. Yeah. Yeah. So, he was really good in that. Very happy for Anatomy of a Fall, just because I really liked that movie. Go back and listen to our podcast of that episode, you'll hear how much I liked it. So I was happy that they won. And she's still guilty as fuck. I don't know what anyone says. She killed her husband. But anyway.

Reflecting on the Oscars: Changes, Highlights, and Next Year's Plans

Overall, a good night. And, and one more thing we need to address before we, we sign off is the run time. Now, there's some big controversy about Al Pacino not saying the nominees for Best Picture.

Chris

Yeah, I felt when I read that, when I read that, I was like, man, that is kind of a snub to all the worthy You know, nominees that weren't even mentioned.

Jerome

But Pacino has come out and said that the producers told him not to do that. Not to read the nominations. What's another 30 fucking seconds? I mean, seriously.

Chris

And you mentioned that, like, throughout the night they were giving, you know paying homage to the performances.

Jerome

Yeah, they give each film a moment. Yeah. They talk about it and they show a clip from it and they're like, you know, Yeah. This is up for best picture. And they do that usually. I, I would like to have seen them, yeah, show them at the end, do one last nomination round up, just to remind everybody

Chris

Yeah, just, I don't know, it does seem like a snub, right? I mean, if you're nominated and they didn't even mention your name, Yeah, like, during the award, I mean, come on.

Jerome

Yeah, your Past Lives, and you got two nominations, and this is one of them, And they don't even mention you at the end. Right. You're just like, what the hell am I even doing here? But, I don't know. I think where he did screw up Is he at least was supposed to say in the Oscar goes to, he doesn't even do that. Al opens the envelope and goes, my, Eyes see Oppenheimer. So even Jimmy kimmel was giving him shit for that. Like, does he not know? Has he not seen award shows before?

Like you're supposed to say in the Oscar goes to a couple other points. I hate, and they've been doing this for a long time now. They've been doing this for at least 20 years. I hate when they present the acting awards and they bring out five previous winners. To stroke off the person that's about to be, you know, that's being nominated this year. I liked the clips better. I think you save more time with the clips. If you're obsessed with time saving. Yeah, right. Just show us the clips.

Yeah. Just be like Paul Giamatti and show us a clip from the movie. Yeah. We want to see the clips. When I was growing up, I was too young to see a lot of movies that were up for Oscars. When I saw the clip, it made me want to see the movie.

Chris

Yeah, you're like, oh, that was awesome.

Jerome

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'd be like, that looked awesome. I want to see that now. When you just got some guy that already won coming out and talking about another guy that's nominated, it doesn't entice me to see it.

Chris

No, that's dumb.

Jerome

To hear them come out and say, Sterling, Your performance was moving and electric. Like that, that doesn't drive me to want to see it.

Chris

And why not? They have this amazing performance. Show it to us.

Jerome

Let's see the performance. Yeah. Come on. And I don't know why, but about 20 years ago they stopped doing that shit. In fact, I want to say it was less than 20. It was maybe 25 or so. I want to say the first time I noticed that was when Heath Ledger posthumously was nominated for the dark night playing the Joker because I remember thinking what clip are they gonna show of the Joker, right?

That would be amazing I want to see I can't wait and they didn't do it They brought five fucking previous winners of Best Supporting Actor out to talk about how great all these guys

Chris

So they've been doing that that long

Jerome

At least since 2008.

Chris

Oh, wow.

Jerome

Now it's not every year It's like they every now and again, they'll throw in a year where they show the clips again I don't know why they keep changing it. Yeah, but it's really I was really irritated by that Again, it came in at three hours and about 20 minutes, which is way under. It's usually a four hour show. So they were already saving on time. Right. They could, they could give us the nomination. They did it for Best Song, too.

When the person came out to give out the Oscar for Best Song, they didn't re go through all the nominations again. They just said, hey, you heard the five songs earlier tonight. Here's the winner.

Chris

Yeah, that's dumb.

Jerome

It's like just no give us a recap. Tell us who's nominated remind us They want to hear their name. They paid the money for the fucking tux read off their goddamn name. Yeah, let's hear the name And my last critique was I still like at the end now they've been doing this for I don't know how long Maybe 10, 15 years, that when somebody wins, when the best picture is won, Everybody that was in the film goes up on stage. I do like that. I like that. That everybody gets to be a part of it.

Yeah, that's awesome. It used to be just the producer, just some old white guy up there with an Oscar going, Yes, it was so hard putting up the money for this movie. You know, like, now it's like everybody that had something to do with it gets to go on stage. It's really cool. I did like that. My last other point besides that is, I think they should get Andrew Bocelli to do the memorial every year. He did. Time to say goodbye. With his son, I don't know Baccelli, the blind composer.

It's one of V's favorite singers. She actually came out of the kitchen and came into the living room when he was on, just because she loves him so much. But when he was doing his song during the memorial section with the show, Everybody That Died, the year before, that was a great moment. And they should get him to do that every year. I think it would run stale after a while, but it was such a great song and he nailed it. And

Chris

yeah, why not? Milk it for as long as you can. Yeah, and can we can we have one without a naked guy?

Jerome

So the naked thing for those of you that don't know was a John Cena bit. I think the only thing that was funny about it. Well, it was it was the anniversary in 1974.

Chris

Yeah, there was a streaker.

Jerome

There was a streaker on stage. It was kind of a a bit on that, but the best part was that he was giving out the costume Oscar, like that's, that's what the funny part was. Cause he, he waddles his way on stage, holding the envelope over his junk, and he gets to the microphone and he goes,

Chris

An enlarged envelope.

Jerome

Yeah, and he gets up there and he goes, Costumes. Men are the important. So it was a great one liner to go with such a bad skit. Like, it was a bad joke.

Chris

And poor jimmy Kimmel had to stand behind him.

Jerome

Yeah, so I mean, it was, it was a bad, I don't know if I'd say tasteless. If I had John Cena's body, I wouldn't mind being on stage naked. But, you know, it was, it was borderline tasteless, but it really wasn't that funny. But the funniest part of it was the joke delivery about the fact he was giving out the costume design, Oscar. That's, that's the part that made it funny.

Chris

I almost said an emergency. You hear, you heard that, right?

Jerome

I saw the sizzle and I saw you reach for the glass.

Chris

It poured fast and it almost went over. I sucked it down.

Jerome

You almost had another wet seat incident like you had during Silence of the Lambs. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, so like I said, it came in at three hours and 20 minutes, so it obviously had time to spare. Changes I would make. Go back to showing the clips from the movies. We want to see the clips.

Chris

We want to see the clips.

Jerome

We don't need to see previous actors coming out and stroking off these guys about how great their performance was. We know it was great. Show us the clip. Prove it was great. The number one rule of screenwriting is show, don't tell. Don't tell me how you're feeling, show me how you're feeling. Well, show me the fucking clips! Yeah. Don't tell me they were great, show it to me. Yep. So that's my biggest takeaway was that and again, Pacino at the end, you gotta read the nominations.

You gotta give us the nominations. I mean, how much time are you really saving? It takes a minute to write off everyone's name. Right. As far as placement, I thought the screenwriting awards came a little early. I always like those to be right near the end, because to me, they're, they're just as big as Best Picture and Best Director as far as I'm concerned. Now I get that people want actor and actress to be the last ones, particularly actress should be right before Best Picture. I get it.

Old school is, the last four is actor, actress, director, picture. Director and picture usually come hand in hand. They started splitting those up. Because they found, this happened a couple of times, like with Spielberg and Mel Gibson, that they win Best Director, and then they're supposed to go in the back and talk to the press? But they can't because they're about to do Best Picture, and then they're nominated for that too.

So they have to wait, and then they go out there to get their Best Picture Oscar already with an Oscar in hand. It just looked weird. It happens. It's happened a few times. So I get why they split that one up, director and picture, split them up, stick Best Actress right there in between them. So Best Actress is the last award before Best Picture. I get it.

I'm cool with that, and I'm okay with the supporting roles being early in the night, because they got to give those East Coast papers something to print. Right? Because they're usually heading to press already, and when you wake up in the East Coast in New York, it's always like, we don't know who won. It was fucking, it went till midnight. But we could tell you who won Best Supporting Actor, right? Like, they have something to print. So I don't mind that.

But the writing awards need to be later. They weren't too early this year. I like them to be a little bit later because again, I think they're important. I think they need to be later. To show their importance. Other than that, I liked everything they did. They got all the awards in. They got to perform all the songs. I like when they perform the songs. Those were great production moments. particularly Billy's. She nailed it.

Chris

Yeah. Really happy about that.

Jerome

So you need to get yourself a streaming service, sir. That plays live TV.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

So next episode dropping in a week, maybe a week or so.

Chris

Barbenheimer?

Jerome

Barbenheimer. Which by the way, I don't know if you saw when those two got up to present an award, it was pretty funny. Emily Blunt from Oppenheimer. And Ryan Gosling from Barbie came up to present an award together. They're actually coming out in a new movie together. So they were up there together and he has this great line where he's like, Oh I know they call this Barbenheimer or Oppenbarby or something throughout all last summer. It was kind of a rivalry and it's been still going.

And she goes. She says, yes, but if you've looked at the awards recently, it hasn't been much of a rivalry at all.

Chris

Ah, ouch!

Jerome

I know! I was, I was on the couch and I'm like, damn! She went right for the nut punch on that! Jesus! So, you know, I'm sure, and I'm sure that's true.

Chris

I know! Who wrote that?

Jerome

It was a good line, though. It was pretty funny. That was a cup check. Boom! But anyway, alright, let's land this sucker. Next episode is Barbenheimer, where we discuss Barbie and Oppenheimer. And then after that, it's gonna be Killers of the Flower Moon and The

Chris

Holdovers. Yep. Alright, go support your local cinemas.

Jerome

Yes, keep drinking and keep watching.

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