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FARGO (1996) - Raising Fargo Part Two

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RAISING FARGO: A Screenwriter's Insight into Fargo (1996)

This episode continues their exploration of the Coen Brothers' film 'Fargo' (1996) from a screenwriter's perspective. Jerome analyzes the film's unique storytelling, character arcs, thematic elements, and plot structure. In addition, they compare Jerry and Marge's roles, discuss casting choices, and reveal interesting trivia. The hosts also share personal anecdotes and engage in a six-degrees of separation game. Despite technical difficulties, Chris and Jerome provide insightful and entertaining commentary throughout the episode.

00:00 A Horrified Family Movie Night

00:22 Welcome to Silver Screen Happy Hour

00:39 Drinks and Double Features

01:30 Diving into Fargo

02:01 Fargo's Specs and Success

05:15 Thanksgiving Memories and Fargo

09:28 Breaking Down Fargo's Characters

17:50 Jerry's Motivations and Missteps

33:04 Marge's Investigation Begins

39:51 Wade's Sin and the Greed Theme

41:00 Marge's Midpoint Scene

41:57 Jerry's False Defeat

43:15 Marge's Investigation and Personal Struggles

48:10 Jerry's All is Lost Moment

50:58 Marge's Epiphany and Final Confrontation

57:50 What Went Wrong: Analyzing the Mistakes

01:06:06 Trivia and Final Thoughts

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Transcript

A Horrified Family Movie Night

Chris

She was horrified at our family for watching this movie. And we're all laughing. And we're laughing! And she's horrified. I can't overstate how horrified she was. That we're, she's like, what kind of monstrous family did I marry into?

Jerome

Yeah, we were laughing the whole time all these murders were happening.

Welcome to Silver Screen Happy Hour

Chris

You are listening to the Silver Screen Happy Hour. I'm Chris Wiegand, along with my brother Jerome.

Jerome

I'm still here, but feeling better.

Chris

Yes, we are probably an hour into a two part episode, Raising Fargo. so that means we're already at least a beer in,

Drinks and Double Features

so,

Jerome

I am a glass of larceny in and the strong larceny.

Chris

So you shared on the last episode that you're drinking larceny as a tribute to the outlaws in the, in the movies for what we're talking about. 126 proof larceny. So hopefully you can hold it together with all that, that high octane. Cause you're, you're doing the heavy lifting here. I'm just here for the ride.

Jerome

I'm gonna transition now into my lightsabers because I don't want to keep drinking that. I do have a family I do have to talk to later. Yeah. So I am going to transition now into my lightsabers, if you will. Listen to this.

Chris

Yep, and I'm still on my light beers as a tribute to the light beers that were being drank in the movies. It's my Mic Ultra. Nice. Mhmm.

Diving into Fargo

Alright. Alright, so we just tackled Raising Arizona. Doing a Coen Brothers double feature here.

Jerome

We are. So what's the next film? Fargo. Oh, beautiful. Fucking beautiful. I love it. I gotta tell you before we start, this is, this was, is one of my favorite films in the nineties. Yeah. It, let's just get into it.

Chris

Can I start with like my, like,

Jerome

Well, wait, we don't, we're not there yet. We're not there yet, let's, we'll, we'll get to that part.

Fargo's Specs and Success

So let me give, let me give the audience first the specs. Yeah. I always start with the specs of each movie. Sure. 1996, we're directed by Joel Cohen, written by Joel and Ethan Cohen. Running time, one hour, thirty eight minutes. Another short one. It had a budget of 7 million. It was released on April 5th, 1996, and it made 24 million at the box office. Are you seeing the similarities with raising Arizona? Yeah. Raising Arizona had a 6 million budget and made 22 million.

This one had a 7 million budget and made 24 million.

Chris

Did you say it was released in April of 96

Jerome

both released in April. The other one was released in April of 87. This one, I remember the first one. Landed at, what did I say? Like the 52nd spot? Yeah. For domestic. This one was good for 75th place on the domestic list. It got beat out by only 164,000 by the 74th place holder scream. Oh, wow. Which. It's weird because I remember Scream being a much bigger hit than that.

So I'm not sure how a box office mojo got their numbers or if they only included certain months or whatever, but I don't know. This one, however, in contrast to Raising Arizona, Fargo garnered seven Oscar nominations and won two of them. Best Actress, Frances McDormand, and Best Original Screenplay for The Coens.

Chris

Yeah, that was her first, wasn't it?

Jerome

That was their first, yes. Side note, the top 10 films of that year, we talked about the top 10 films the year The Risen in Arizona came out. Here's the top 10 films of 1996. Independence Day was number one at 817 million dollars worldwide.

Chris

Love that movie.

Jerome

Followed by Twister, Mission Impossible, that's Mission Impossible 1, The Rock, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, 101 Dalmatians, Ransom. The Nutty Professor, Jerry Maguire, and Space Jam. So, already we're seeing that switch. Remember when I told you when, when we did the Raising Arizona episode, we named the top 10 films that year, only two of them were action films, the rest were like these Oscar type movies? Already, which 87 and 96, not even 10 years later, these are all action films.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

With the exception of Ransom. Which actually has a lot of action in it. I'd say the only straight drama on this list is Jerry Maguire. And that was up for Best Picture. You know what I mean? See how the pendulum swung within just ten years? Where action films were back in the 80s and particularly the 70s and the 60s and the 50s if you go back that far The top grossing films are all the ice oscar films, right?

It's all the really good movies Somewhere along the line it switched to where your popcorn film was the one that made all the money But the oscars went to the lower films the smaller films, right far fargo was one of them and that's our it stars francis mcdormand as marge gunderson You William H. Macy as Jerry Lundegaard. Every time I say his name, I have to say it. Jerry Lundegaard. Lundegaard. Steve Buscemi as Karl Showalter. Piers Stormare as Gare Grimsrud.

And Harv Presnell as Wade Gustafson. Alright, tell

Thanksgiving Memories and Fargo

me. What is your history with this movie?

Chris

So, the thing I remember most was Thanksgiving weekend, 1996.

Jerome

Yes! That's oddly enough, mine too.

Chris

We were at our aunt's house. Now, I thought I had seen it already because I knew what we were about to see.

Jerome

I did see it already. In fact, I think I was the one that brought it.

Chris

Yeah. Because I

Jerome

do have an additional story with mine, but go ahead and tell yours.

Chris

So this was what, November of 96. I was married October 12th, 96. And so, you know, Jessie's, my wife comes to Thanksgiving with my family and we sit down as a family to watch a family movie. Was this

Jerome

Jessie's first Thanksgiving at Aunt Denice's?

Chris

Well, I think she came the year before when we were dating, but I, that's not as memorable.

Jerome

So we, first we have to set up the scene, right? This is a, a total like cabin in the woods, horror story that we do every year. We would leave the Detroit area and go to Kalamazoo, which for anyone doesn't know is about good two and a half, three hours drive from Detroit. Yeah. And my aunt Denise's house in the middle of was it Schoolcraft? Was the town? Portage.

Portage, Portage, and and they, we would be there all weekend and we would start it like Tuesday, right, and we would go and we would smoke cigars and we would

Chris

play Risk. Yeah, once we got older, I mean, we were going there for years, so it started when we were little kids. Yeah, when we were little

Jerome

kids, we would just like build forts and shit and play video games, but as we got older, 96, I was 21 years old by that point. We were drinking and we were smoking cigars and we would play Risk of the Game of World Domination and poor Jessie got introduced in this Cabin in the Woods sort of mentality where we all become savages for the weekend and she got introduced to this.

Chris

Well, it's, it's how I knew she was a keeper. She survived that weekend and, but she was horrified at our family for watching this movie and we're all laughing and we're laughing. She's Horrified. I can't overstate how horrified she was. That we're, she's like, what kind of monstrous family did I marry into?

Jerome

Yeah, we were laughing the whole time all these murders were happening. In fact, I think we laughed harder with every murder that happened. Yeah. Yeah, it's sadistic. Now my tack on my story is the same as yours. All of that is the same for me. I loved it. I loved the going to Kalamazoo for Thanksgiving weekend and the cigars and the risk and the always watching a movie. And Fargo was that movie that introduced. Poor Jessie's to our family, but I had a little, a little precursor to that.

It had just hit video earlier and I was still in Chicago. I was going to school at Columbia college, Chicago, and me and my roommates at the time, Hughs was my buddy, hughs who I often talk about. He was one of my roommates. We rented it when it hit video and we couldn't stop laughing. Like it was such, like even the little things, like, like the guy that he's trying to swindle during the car deal with the true coat, the guy's like, you lied to me, Mr. Lundegaard, you're a bold faced liar.

And he goes, you're up. Fucking liar! Like, even like, seeing a guy struggle to get the word fucking out, cause he obviously doesn't swear often, like, even little things like that were hilarious, and we would just, it was one of those scenes where we'd rewind it and watch it again.

Chris

Ah, it was gold.

Jerome

It was so great, so then when it was come time to go home to Thanksgiving, now again, I was in Chicago at the time, so for me, I used to take the train from Chicago's Union Station to the Kalamazoo Station. I took the train and mom and dad would pick me up from the train station. Or Aunt Denise would. Because I would usually go early. I'd go on like Monday night or Tuesday to get Thanksgiving weekend started on Tuesday. That's how sick and demented I was.

And I brought it home with me and that's, that's where your story picks up. So, so I had a little bit of a precursor. I was the, I was the catalyst. I was the problem. I brought the crashing into the old world. I brought the movie that terrified Jessie's. So it's great. That's great. All right, log me.

Chris

All right.

Breaking Down Fargo's Characters

Minnesota car salesman Jerry Lundergard's inept crime falls apart due to his and his henchman's bungling and the persistent police work of the quite pregnant Marge Gunderson. That was written roughly.

Jerome

I like how they say quite pregnant.

Chris

Yeah, quite pregnant.

Jerome

Now, by the way, there are a few elements that I didn't actually write down as part of my notes, but they do they do have to be said. What a great choice to make the hero of the story a seven month pregnant woman.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

Right? Like God, when you think about crime dramas or crime films, the hard nosed cop, you know, it's always like a cop on the edge, right? Like an alcoholic cop on the edge. And, you know, he's just, he's just one step from being a criminal himself and, but they make it easy. pregnant Marge Gunderson, but we are going to get to, and I am going to blow your doors off that Marge is not so as innocent as we think she is. Um, All right. Side notes on the beats.

Of course I have to do side notes on this one because the Coen's always throw me for a loop. You can't just do a simple Blake Snyder beat sheet with the Coen brothers. Um, All right. So let's just start with who the fuck's story is it? Based on the logline, we're assuming it's Jerry's story. Right? Yeah. Based on how the entire first act is all on Jerry and Marge doesn't even show up until act two.

Chris

Yeah, Jerry's the one with the problem.

Jerome

Right, so proper storytelling and script structure would insist that Jerry is the protagonist. Albeit a flawed one, but he's still the lead. However, once Marge is introduced, It's pretty clear at that point that she's the main character, and Jerry sort of drifts away into the background until the climax of the film. Actually, I'm sorry, THROUGH the climax of the film, only to re emerge kind of at the ending, right? Having never learned a lesson. He doesn't learn anything.

We're going to break down the beats for both Jerry and Marge. That's my surprise for you. That's my gift for you today, sir. And all of you listeners, we're going to break down the beats for both Jerry and Marge and see how they intersect each other. Perfect example of know the rules before you break them. Nobody does it fucking better than the Coen's, right? I mean, they follow the rules. They follow the tools, they follow the beats. They just do it in an unconventional and unique way.

And it's hard to really dig in. But before we do that, I have to discuss first the flat art character. Okay. For you, beginning writers, a flat art character is where the lead doesn't really learn a lesson on the journey we do as an audience and maybe the world around them changes. Or at least the world is somehow viewed differently by them. Mm hmm, but they themselves generally stay the same. The best example of this has always been Superman, right?

Superman's always the same in every movie, every comic, every TV show, everything. Whatever it is, he's righteous. He's good. He never lies. He doesn't change the stories around him that, you know, create all these characters and, and the world and evil and bad guys. His view of the world might change, but he himself doesn't. He has the same concepts at the beginning that he has at the end. Right, right. He'll go on adventures to save humanity from evil.

By and large, he doesn't change on a darker scale. I know I've talked about this on previous podcasts as well. Paul Schrader characters often have the flat arc, but not so much in a righteous or good way. Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver, Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull, Ali Fox in The Mosquito Coast particularly Wade Whitehouse in Affliction. These are all Paul Schrader scripts. They certainly change the people around them.

Uh, Just knowing these guys is the journey and everybody around them learns their goals, but they themselves stay the same. They never really learn the lesson. All four of those characters I just mentioned have the same belief system at the end of the film as they had at the beginning. The audience and the supporting characters, on the other hand, are the ones who actually learn the lesson. You know, about them. They actually learned something.

And the reason I mentioned this is because investigation stories, the cops and robbers, the cop trying to investigate the criminal thing, what Blake Snyder calls the why done it in his story patterns, those very often have a flat arc protagonist because their tactics of investigation, their belief system that never changes. The interesting thing about Fargo is that Marge, if we treat her, that she is the lead. Even though she's introduced late, she is the investigating officer.

She seems to have a flat arc as far as her investigating. She's the same cop at the end as she is at the beginning. But ultimately she does learn a very valuable lesson that we set up with the theme and oddly enough, it will bring. Immeasurable worth to a scene later in the film that everyone I've ever talked to always says that this one scene, quote unquote, has nothing to do with the movie.

Chris

Hmm.

Jerome

You know what scene I'm talking about, right? The scene with Mike and Nikita, where she goes to have a drink at the hotel. At the hotel bar with the Asian guy.

Chris

Yeah. Talk about that.

Jerome

We will get to that. Everybody always, everybody always says that has nothing to do with the movie. But it does. Because, it, it, well, I'll explain it when we get there. Jerry, in his list of beats, certainly has a flat arc. Because he doesn't learn a goddamn thing. He has the same mentality of choices at the end that he has at the beginning. The ending is him getting arrested. Now, if you, if you wanted to extend this film, Say another half hour since it's only an hour and a half movie.

If you were to make this two hour film and it ends with Jerry's sort of like incarceration and trial. Yeah, maybe he breaks down on the stand and realizes, Oh, I should never have done this. I love my wife. I was too blinded by money, whatever, blah, blah, blah. You could come up with a spiritual goal for Jerry. But in the film that we are presented, he has a flat arc.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

Jerry doesn't learn a fucking thing. Alright, now that I got all that off my chest and out of the way, we have the double beats! Opening image! This is just Jerry's right now. Car drives in the daylight, but kicks up snow and shows a mist of uncertainty. Theme stated, intro to Jerry Lundegaard in his first meeting with Carl Schoelwalter and Greer Grimsrud, who he's hired to kidnap his wife.

The theme is brief, but And barely noticeable with a single line of dialogue, but the concept of appreciating what you have is at play here. If any dialogue supports this, it's mostly six minutes in, when upon, upon hearing about the plan that they've been hired for, even the bad guys are trying to talk Jerry out of it.

Chris

Right.

Jerome

Like, after Jerry admits that he's doing this for money, Carl says, and he says his father in law is very well off, Carl says, quote, Why don't you just ask him for the money? And Grimmshirt goes in, Or your fuckin wife. And he's like, yeah, or your fuckin wife, Jerry. Like, they're even they are trying to talk him out of it. Like, you don't need to do this. If you need money, and your fuckin father in law is rich, Just ask him for the money! Like, you know what I mean?

Like, they are even sa But but Jerry? doesn't appreciate what he has. Yeah. He is more greedy than anything. Ironically Marge is not in this scene. But her theme is the same and I'll get to that after. All right, set

Jerry's Motivations and Missteps

up. In this section, we learn more about Jerry But the interesting thing is that the Coens, what the Coens do here They break, they understand, yet they break yet another fundamental rule, particularly in cop case movies We don't really know what Jerry needs the money for. Like in most movies, there's a motivation For the criminal

Chris

right

Jerome

and we know what they're after but this one's never really explained Like it's clear that he's defrauding the gmac, right? He's defrauding them by taking insurance money He's taking insurance loan money for cars that don't exist. Why

Chris

yeah,

Jerome

like like the the kidnapping plan Is that to pay back the gmac because they realized? He got, you know, he got found out. He got caught. So is the kidnapping plan to pay them back? Or does he want the GMAC money on top of the kidnapping money? And let's not forget about the deal he comes up with to tell his father in law about the parking lot that he wants to invest in. So like what, because when he thinks that's in play, he wants to call off the kidnapping.

So really, which, what money is he after and why, why does he need the money?

Chris

Right.

Jerome

It's never explained. Right.

Chris

It's wild. Yeah,

Jerome

it is wild because every other movie, that's a major part that will sink a film. If you don't have a clear motivation of the bad guy, we don't buy into it.

Chris

Right.

Jerome

But the Coen's sort of like, Eh, you'll buy into it.

Chris

Well, you almost buy into it because he's such a doof.

Jerome

Right, he's such a fucking doofus! So, I don't know But what is clear is that Jerry is obviously greedy for the money, right? It's just not clear what he needs it for. And and in a Cohen brothers kind of way, it doesn't even matter, right? The story, the story works without it. The, the, they take that structure. It's like, yes, we understand script structure. We understand the rules and here's where we break it over our knee, you know, like they just don't care.

Oddly enough though, in a Blake Snyder, save the cat kind of way, we are drawn to actually root for Jerry at the beginning because when he gets home, he gets pushed around by his father in law, Wade Gustafson in his own house, old man, Wade, the rich owner of the dealership of which Jerry is executive sales manager. By the way, whenever I hear that. I have to say it the way Jerry says it. I'm executive sales manager, you know? Anyway, so whenever I, I've had people come into my store.

And say, yes, I am the district sales manager of whatever, whatever they're trying to push on me. And I always hear Jerry Lundegaard in my head. I would know I'm executive sales manager. Anyway,

Chris

I got to ask. So at some point you quit going by Jerry and started using your birth name, Jerome.

Jerome

No, no, no, it wasn't. Um, That's a funny story in and of itself. I'll tell you real quick. I was Jerry up until I started working for Target. So at Target, everybody that's in an ETL executive team leader has a radio, right? It has like a headset and a radio. And there was another guy there named Terry. At the first store I worked at, and every time they called for Terry, I fucking answered! And they're like, no, not you, the other one, the other guy, or whatever.

And I was like, you know what, fuck it, from here on out, call me Jerome. So I just, I changed my name to Jerome, roughly around 2005. No, I don't want to say changed my name, my name's always been Jerome, I just never went by Jerome, I always just went by Jerry. In 2005, I switched it. So I was still Jerry long after Fargo.

Chris

Yeah. Okay.

Jerome

In fact, I think our cousin Tom used to call me Jerry Lundegaard. Just to be a dick in a fun way.

Chris

Since we're on the topic of your name, can we continue off this rabbit trail for a minute? Can you tell the story about the three guys that came to set up a display at your store? And none of them believed your name was Jerome?

Jerome

Well, that's not one story.

Chris

Well, you told it as one story to me once. Or you put it on Facebook, I think. It was great.

Jerome

Is this where they thought I was the black guy, right?

Chris

There's three african Americans and they What were their names?

Jerome

Yeah. So, I don't remember their names. I don't remember their names anymore. I'd have to go back.

Chris

I

Jerome

actually have it. I think i, I know how to look it up on Facebook because I've told this story to so many people and they all laugh, so let me look it up.

Chris

I'll cut this dead air out. Here it is for the audience. I'll just read your Facebook post from 2011.

Jerome

Okay.

Chris

Jerome Michael Wiegand posted, They said three vendors would come into my store for re merchandising. Rodriguez, Sanchez, and Lopez. The three guys showed up and they were all African American. They refused to believe my name was Jerome.

Jerome

That is so old, I've forgotten about that story.

Chris

It's so funny because I used to be on this team at, at at my work. And I worked with two Jerome's and they were both black and I told them both that story. I read it to them. They both died.

Jerome

And the funny thing about that is that, And the funny thing about that is that, that has become almost an amalgam over my life in California. Where I've had a hundred of those stories since then is what year did you say that was

Chris

2011? Yeah

Jerome

Since then I cannot tell you how many people have heard that I'm you're gonna meet a Jerome. He's from Detroit And I am the last person they expect to see walking through that door Seriously walking I'm like, yeah, I'm Jerome and they're like no really where's Jerome? Where, where's the guy at? Like, no, I'm the guy like, are you sure? I'm pretty sure they never, they're always expecting like, you know, some, some big, you know, muscular black dude. Like, yeah, I'm a lions fan.

Chris

I can see why you disappoint them.

Jerome

Well, I'm very disappointing. I'm, I'm, I'm a, a fat, short, white guy. Oh my God.

Chris

From Detroit.

Jerome

Right from Detroit. Well, I'm like

Chris

the least from south from east side of, you know,

Jerome

Detroit suburbs, whatever. I'm still a lions fan though, but people see, that's the funny thing. People see my Detroit. I have the big old English D Tigers logo on my forearm and people see that and they're like, you're from Detroit. And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, yeah. You're Jerome from Detroit. And they'll just pause. And I'm like, yeah, and it reminds me of that commercial. I don't know if you remember that commercial.

I think it was a Nike commercial or maybe it was a beer commercial. I don't know where the guy's name is Michael Jordan, but every time he goes somewhere, they think it's the Michael Jordan and they're always so disappointed. Right. He goes to the restaurant. He's like, yeah, I have reservations for Michael Jordan. And they're all like. Aw, man.

Chris

Yeah, I remember that.

Jerome

That's kind of what I get. People are disappointed when they see me. It's very disheartening, I have to tell you. But anyway.

Chris

That was a good rabbit trail.

Jerome

Yeah, I don't know. We fucking went off on a way, way different tangent for that one. It's alright. I don't even know where we left off.

Chris

Oh my God.

Jerome

So we left off on the fact that we never really know what Jerry Lundegaard's plan is. We, we just know that he's, he wants money. Oh, and then we, we did go into the save the cat aspect to where the father in law Wade, it kind of emasculates him in his own home, right? So that's a rooting uh, resume thing. I want to say it was. Again, we keep talking about Jamie Nash and Jimmy George and their, and their podcast. I think they came up with the term rooting resume.

I want to say Jamie did sorry, Jimmy, if I, if I got that wrong, don't, don't persecute me. But, but the idea is that these save the cat elements from Blake Snyder, right? They're the things that you would root for the character for, and he has one. It's where, and it's where he's kind of like the underdog, right? And the old man's emasculating him. So that makes us want to root for Jerry, right? So obviously Wade is the alpha in this relationship. Right?

He's, and when he's trying to convince Wade of this parking lot deal, he says this could really, he says, this is a quote, This could really work out for, well for me, Gene and Scotty. The old man sort of looks at him and says, Gene and Scotty never have to worry. Yeah. What a fucking dick, dude. So the old man's basically saying, My, my daughter, And my grandson will always be set for life. You, on the other hand, you fuckwad, you're lucky I even allowed you to marry my daughter, right?

Like, so, so obviously we root for Jerry on that aspect alone, which again argues the point that he's the main character, but he's not! Well, at least he doesn't become one, he is now. But anyway, all right, so that's how the Coens keep fucking juggling that act. Also, the Coens use what's known as in media res, which in Latin is into the middle of things. That's what that means in Latin.

And it's a screenwriting term, it's a screenwriting technique, where when you start a story, you're already in the middle of it. Like, again, when this movie opens, He's already meeting with Carl and Grimsrud, right? So he's already contacted Shep. He's already got the plan. He already has the car he's going to give them. He, you know, all that already happened off screen. We didn't even see any of that happen.

So we started when this movie's already began, you could argue that Star Wars episode four, a new hope in and of itself is in media res, right? Because we're starting in the middle of the Skywalker saga, right?

Right, so, okay, so Fargo, Fargo starts in Media Res, the car delivery, this is where the opening is kind of shady, because the car delivery could be considered the inciting incident, or in a completely different movie it could be the fun and game sequence of Act 2, if we had shown, if Fargo started with him coming up with this plan, and he's thinking about it, and he's concocting it, and he contacts Shep and everything, the second he arrives at the bar, That might be the beginning of act two,

right? But in this movie, it starts the movie, right? So for our purposes, Since we're trying to use Blake Snyder's beat sheet we're gonna put it as act one set up and let's see if Jerry can push himself into act two despite starting in media res. So the best place to figure this out might be, hello, my four point push. Alright, ready? Inciting incident, 17 minutes in, Gene is kidnapped. This is the first hint to everyone other than Jerry. is happening, right?

Because let's just assume for a second you don't know Jerry Lundegaard's in on it, right? Her getting kidnapped. That's the first crashing in that something has happened to this family, right? That's the inciting incident. We don't, you know, again, if you're a neighbor or a family member, you don't know Jerry's in on it yet. Right. Right? So inciting incident. Catalyst, 24 minutes in, Jerry comes home and sees that Gene is gone. Here's why this is different from the inciting incident.

It's real now, right? Up until this moment, he didn't know if those guys would ever show up, right? It could be he delivered them a brand new car in Fargo, North Dakota, and they just stole it, right? They just took it and left and said, this guy's fucking nuts. We're not listening to this guy's plan. We're leaving. We're taking this car he brought us and we're just leaving. He doesn't know that it's ever, that they're ever going to show when, where, how he doesn't know any of that.

When he comes in and sees that Jean was gone and the house was toward a shit, he knows now that it's real, right? That's your catalyst. Debate begins. He has time to consider his next move. He could truly chicken out. He could, he could be like a fuck. I didn't mean for this to happen. I don't want anything to happen to Jean. Okay. Ah, fuck it, the deal's off. I'm gonna call the cops, or I'll call Carl, or I'll call whoever and say forget it, forget it, the deal's off. Right?

Like, he could, but he doesn't. He then plans to make this official by calling his father in law, Wade, to get him involved on getting the ball rolling and the bail money, which, by the way, Is a great phone sequence. I mentioned on the silence of the lamb episode. Yeah. Remember when Hector takes off his flesh mask, the very next scene is the payphone dropping. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't even hear the conversation. You don't need to hear the conversation.

You just see the phone dropping and our dealer running down the hallway to tell Jody Foster that Lecter has escaped. Right. Same concept here. We don't need to see the phone call. We just need to see Jerry's preparation for the phone call. Where he's, oh, oh, Wade, oh, it's so bad, oh, Gene, oh, my wife, like he's coming up with all kinds of things, he's preparing for the phone call. I'll tell you what, there's another one here that I forgot to make a note of. It happens in Terms of Endearment.

I don't know how well you remember that movie, but you know that in that movie at some point Deborah Winger gets cancer, right? There's a scene where she's in the hospital, she was just in there for tests, and their doctor comes in. And she, and he goes I'm sorry, but it's a malignancy. And she says it at the same time, it's almost like a jinx moment, like they both say malignancy. And then she goes, say it again, and he goes, malignancy.

The very next shot is Shirley MacLaine's character hanging the phone up. And she's freaking out and she grabs the housekeeper and she's like, we got a problem. Our daughter was sick and she's got a cyst and it's, you know what I mean? Like they, it's that, that shot starts with her hanging up the phone. We don't need to see the phone call of Debra Winger calling her mother.

Chris

Right.

Jerome

Right. We know already what she's going to tell her. Right. So the concept for, for new writers out there, when you're thinking about phone calls are boring. Generally phone calls are boring. Find an intriguing and interesting way to get that, the, the, the, exposition across without having to show it. And Fargo is a perfect example. Where he's preparing to tell Wade what happened, but we don't ever see the phone call.

In fact, the scene ends where he's all riled up, ready, he's got the story he wants to tell, and he's ready to let it go after he dials the number, and then he goes, Oh Wade Gufsuson, please. He forgot that he has to deal with the secretary first. So the secretary has to pass him through before he can begin his story. And that's where that scene ends. So, okay. That was my debate.

Marge's Investigation Begins

Break into two at the 29 minute mark, Grimsrud kills three people in Brainerd, including a state trooper. Why is this the final push? Why is this the break into two that is needed? It's because without it, Marge never gets involved. Right? If there's no murders, there's no telling if the cops would ever get involved with this case. The plan was perfect. Without cops, right? Without cops, it's perfect. Without killing, it's perfect. But Grimsred kills three people, including a state trooper.

Now it's a problem. Now we're in act two, right? That's the propelling moment.

Chris

Well, and you realize this woman's life is really in danger.

Jerome

You mean Jean? Jean Lundegaard?

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

Yeah.

Chris

I mean, yeah. Looking at the husband at first, you're like, you know, they're probably not going to really hurt her.

Jerome

Well, he even says this is a no rough stuff type of deal, right? This is supposed to be cleaning cut. You know, it is what it is. It should, it should be smooth sailing, but Grimsrud's kind of a psychopath. So in any sign of danger, he not only kills the cop, but then he kills the onlookers that are driving by.

Chris

Yeah. I love that these two guys Peter what's his name?

Jerome

Peter Stormare.

Chris

Stormare and Steve Buscemi are both in Armageddon. Yeah. A couple years after this film came out.

Jerome

Yeah. Well, Peter Stormare was also in a Seinfeld episode. Yeah, he's the guy with the holes. Where you mean the holes where you plug stuff in, he doesn't know the word outlet, so he just says, you mean the holes anyway, anyway, I don't want to get off tangent again, but anyway. All right. So B story once again, when does the B story come in? Chris midpoint. No, you say that every time. 30 minutes in. Oh, yeah, right, right.

Chris

You always ask me after I've had a couple of beers. I know I was

Jerome

gonna say the second episode of these are always we're always like way off. Okay, so the B story 32 minute mark. So it's usually a half hour and according to Blake Snyder at the 32 minute mark, that's when we're introduced to Marge. In Jerry's beat sheet, Marge represents the B story, because she's the person that's gonna lead him to his climax. Not really a spiritual goal, but she's gonna lead him to the end of his journey.

That's, I paused before saying spiritual goal, because we know Jerry's flat arc, he's not going to learn a goddamn thing. Marge is about seven months pregnant and gets the call that wakes her up from her sleeping with Norm, her husband, laying next to her. This is important. I wanna. really nail this. And to do that, I need another beer. Hang on, hang on. Yes. For those of you that listened to the raising Arizona episode, you know I started with a very hard whiskey.

I'm now taking it easy and taking it easy to me is drinking beer. All right. Okay. If we beat sheet Marge at this point, Right? As perhaps the new lead.

Chris

When you beat sheet merge, it sounds like domestic violence.

Jerome

When I Blake Snyder beat sheet merge, is that better or worse? I don't know. It just sounds like Blake Snyder is beating merge. Alright, I don't know. Alright, this is her opening image. Right? Here's her opening image. Norm puts his arm around her while sleeping while she's on the phone and he's not wearing his wedding ring. Hmm This is an interesting touch because this phone call is work.

It's business It's work related and thus it's non threatening to their marriage So the need quote unquote need of showing his wedding ring I make this point because it will come counterpoint later. In any case, this strengthens the theme of appreciating what you have. This was Jerry Lundegaard's original theme and it's now carrying over to Marge. Especially since Norm wakes up. He's willing to get up for his pregnant wife and make her breakfast. And she's like, babe, you can sleep.

I got to get up. I got to go. I got to go to work. You can stay sleeping. It's early. And he's like, you got to eat a breakfast, Margie. You know, it clears the throat. Great norm moment. By the way, I love norm in this movie. We're going to get the norm later, but. That's his opening. That's her opening image with him is that he's willing to get up and make her breakfast. Appreciate what you have. Fun and games. Now we're in Jerry's act 2 mirror flip of act 1.

And ironically, Jerry's fun and games? Is the four point push for Marge in her beat sheet the inciting incident for her is getting the call The catalyst is she sees the dead bodies and realized the magnitude of what just hit this peaceful town of Brainerd The debate is questioning her partner on his course of investigating. I don't think I agree with your police work there loop, right?

And the break into two is getting The lead at the lakeside club where the two guys checked in and left the license plate blank, where she says, Oh, that's a good lead. You know, that's her break into two. Why is all this necessary? It doesn't necessarily have to be Marge. She could easily call the FBI and say, I realize, you know, obviously murder's a state charge, but she doesn't know where these people are from. Yeah. Right. She's like, I might need some help on this.

This is a small little peaceful town and we've got three murders. And one of them is a state trooper. At the very least, if you don't want to call the FBI, you would call the state, right? You would call the state federal marshal.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

And say we got a problem here. We're not used to murders in this town of ours. And now I got three, including a state trooper. She could, but she doesn't do any of that. She's gonna take it upon herself. That's her debate. And her break into two is where she gets that, that that clue. About the Lakeside Club. It's her case now. This is her backyard. If she turns up no clues, she likely calls the FBI or the state, like I said. But, but now she's invested. She's got a clue. And now she's invested.

This is her act two. And now we're going to see where Jerry and Marge sort of catch up to each other on their beat sheets. Wade's not happy about the arrangement where Jerry's in charge. And here's where we have a little bit more sin here. We always talk about, you know there's sin with these characters, particularly in this film. We already know Jerry's sin. Wade's is about to come out. You know, that he hates parting with money.

Wade's Sin and the Greed Theme

He, he, in fact, even when his own daughter is kidnapped, he wants to offer half the ransom when they're sitting there at the coffee. I said, well, maybe we should offer half. Well, what? This is your daughter. He wants to offer half. So that's his sin. He doesn't like parting with money either. He's just as greedy as fucking Jerry. It appears that almost everyone in this story carries their own sin.

Whether it's Jerry, or Shep, or Carl, or Grimsrud, or Wade, even his side piece, Stan, his accountant guy, even Marge has her sin, and we'll get to that in a minute. But before we get to that, I figure, after watching this movie several times, particularly for this podcast, the only innocent people in this film are Gene and Scotty, oddly enough, the two people Wade said at the beginning were the only two that would quote, Never have to worry. And Norm. That's it.

Gene, Scotty, and Norm are the only innocent people in this entire story. Everybody else has their sin, including Marge, and we're going to get to that in a moment.

Marge's Midpoint Scene

At the 47 minute mark, Marge hits her midpoint scene. Remember, she didn't start her beats until 32 minutes in. So naturally her story is going to be a little bit shorter, but at the 47 minutes. She has descriptions of the perpetrators from eyewitness contacts, the two girls that were having sex with Carl in Grimsrud at the Lakeside Club.

This is her false victory because she finds she finds out that she has to go to the Twin Cities that takes her out of her jurisdiction and yet she doesn't involve the state and she doesn't involve the FBI. Now again, the FBI, that's a bit of a stretch. You're not really going to contact the FBI unless it's out of state, right? She doesn't know yet. That this all started in North Dakota.

As far as she knows, this is all Minnesota, but from Brainerd down to the Twin Cities, she's a Brainerd Sheriff. You know what I mean? Like at this point, at least contact the state, right? This is out of my jurisdiction now. Nope. He doesn't

Jerry's False Defeat

care. She's going midpoint scene in Jerry's timeline at the 50 minute mark. Carl now wants the full 80, 000. If Jerry had plans to get his hands on the full million, this shouldn't be a problem for anyone that is listening, but doesn't, hasn't seen the movie. Jerry Jerry's con is. At least for the kidnappers, he said, I kidnapped my wife. Are you guys kidnapped my wife, my father in law who's real well off. I'm going to say the ransom is 80, 000. I give you guys 40 and I keep the other 40.

That's the plan. But in reality, he's telling his father in law that the ransom is a million dollars. So he gives 40 to the criminals and he's keeping all the rest for himself. So when Carl calls and says I want the full 80, Jerry freaks out! He's like, oh no, come on, that's not the deal here. Dude, if your plan was to get a million dollars out of this, who gives a fuck? Like, who cares about another four now I get he's probably putting on a show, but still, it shouldn't be a problem.

But the greed is the main aspect that's at play here. The greed is everywhere. Killing him, right? So he protests, he argues also in the same scene, he gets another call from the GMAC.

Marge's Investigation and Personal Struggles

They want their fucking money. So he's pissed now, right? Like, like, God, even they are onto me. And by the way, it's, it's so funny that, that there's this mentality about people in Minnesota that they're nice people. They're so nice, right? They're so nice. And they are, they are. It's not just a stereotype. I've been to Minnesota several times, mostly for football games, Viking fans.

People like I was walking down the street and a Carl and a Kelvin Johnson jersey when I went to a mission, a Lions Vikings game, right? They were the nicest people. Oh, excuse me. Oh, pardon me. You know, as you're walking through, like cutting through the crowd, they, they are, it's not just stereotype. They're very, very nice people. The point of that is, is like, This GMAC guy? And the nicest way possible, he tells him that he's fucked. Right?

If you don't give me those VIN numbers by noon tomorrow, I'm gonna have to turn this over to our legal department. My, my patience is at an end. Like, is that the nicest way possible to tell somebody you're going to fucking put them up for life if they don't fucking reduce these VIN vehicles, these VIN numbers on these cars. Anyway. All right.

So normally the midpoint scene is a false victory where the protagonist achieves a tangible goal and the flip side after that is, you know, the bad guy's closing in, which culminates in the all is lost, but the flip if you were to do this. False victory at the midpoint. If you were to do a false defeat instead, then the all is lost is a false victory, right? Like they're opposites, right? Usually the midpoint is a false victory and the all is lost is a false defeat.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

Sometimes you can flip them where the midpoint scene is the false defeat and then the all is lost is the false victory. Here they're flipped. They must they go in opposites. And, and Jerry's all is lost would be a false victory. But we'll get to that. Currently his false defeat is at the midpoint scene where Carl is reneging on that plan. That's where he wants the full 80, 000 and the GMAC calls. Like you see like that's a, that's a bad time, right? For Jerry.

So that's the midpoint scene of his story and it's a defeat. It's a false defeat, but it's a defeat. Bad guys closing in. For Marge, this starts right after the midpoint scene. So, at the 49 minute mark, she gets a late night call from Mike and Akita. It's 11pm at night. An old high school friend calls. This represents possible danger to a relationship.

Which is why this time, if you notice, Norm, still asleep, rolls over again and puts his arm around Marge, and this time he's wearing his wedding ring. It's a stark contrast from the earlier time that they were woken up from a phone call. For Jerry, the bad guy's closing in is now Wade wants to take over. At the 54 minute mark, Damn it Jerry, you're not selling me a damn car! Right? If Wade takes over, there's no way Jerry gets his money. Right? No way.

At the 59 minute mark, the A and B stories collide as Marge and Jerry meet for the first time. She crashes into his world with a little Q& A, for. He stumbles on his answers. He comes off as not believable yet. Marge is none the wiser at this point. She's just simply doing her due diligence. She's asking him questions. He's giving shady answers, but she's just like, okay. One hour, one minute in Marge has a drink with Mike and Akita.

This is the scene that everybody I've ever talked to says, yeah, it's so good. That scene has nothing to do with the movie. Like, why did they even put it in? Like, they should have cut that out. Right? It's the scene that gets the most criticism. However, I believe it's the most important scene of the film. This directly relates to the theme of appreciate what you have. It's a very subtle sin for Marge. But it's there. There's no evidence that Marge even told Norm about this drink.

She's all dressed up. It's at a fucking hotel. Right? There's certainly some curiosity of impropriety. Mike turns her off quick because he turns out to be a psychopath and he kind of pressures her a little bit too much and But she still showed up. Right? She still showed up, she went, hair done up, makeup done up, in a dress, and she never told Norm about it. That's her sin.

She was thinking for a moment, I'm a seven month pregnant woman, and what do all, and my wife went through the same thing too. What do most pregnant women tell you? It's the time they feel most unattractive. Right? This is her feeling wanted by somebody else. Okay.

Jerry's All is Lost Moment

All is lost for Jerry. Remember this is the reverse of the midpoint. So his midpoint was a false defeat. This one would be a false victory. Wade takes off with the money though. Jerry follows. And when he gets there, he sees that Wade is killed at the one hour, 12 minute mark. This is a false victory because for him, he's like the one guy that stood in the way of him getting his money is dead. All he has to do is pop the trunk, throw him in it.

However, it's false because he doesn't know how he's going to get the money from Carl, right? Like, he's like, well, one guy's out of the way. That's good. But how do I get the cash? I don't know how to get the cash now. For Marge, her all is lost is a false defeat. That's why she's preparing to leave the Twin Cities the next morning. She has no answers on her case. She got nowhere with her investigating. She met with Shep. She met with Jerry. Both interviews got nowhere. Her case is cold.

She also talks to an old girlfriend on the phone who tells her that that Mike Enigita guy is a stalker and he's crazy. She dodged a bullet there, but that strengthened the theme. Appreciate what you have. Dark Night of the Soul, Jerry decides to go to bed and try to forget everything that happened. Meanwhile, as part of Marge's Dark Night of the Soul, a trooper questions another witness in a driveway about a possible location of the little guy, which is Carl.

And by the way, that driveway says, Might be dad's favorite scene of the whole movie Dad Fucking loves when the trooper goes to that guy's driveway, and he doesn't have a shovel he's sweeping The slush off his driveway with a broom And then he tells him, and the way he describes Steve Buscemi's character, Oh, he was kind of funny looking. You know, in kind of a general kind of way. And, and, and the way he just describes how he talked, like, I'm going crazy out there at the lake.

And then he calls me a jerk. And he doesn't use the word jerk, you know what I mean? And it's like, the whole, the whole scene is dad's fault. He laughs the entire time that scene is happening. And then at the end, they're like, Yep, looks like it's gonna snow again! And they both put their heads up and look at the sky. Anyway. Fuck it, dad loves it. Anyway, so, alright, break into three. For Jerry, knowing he has no money, He retries the GMAC smudging the VIN numbers again.

You see him like wearing the lead down on that pencil. And he's still trying to rub fudge numbers on the VIN number. Like he's going back to that. He's like, fuck. I don't know what's going on with the kidnapping. My father in law is in my trunk as we speak. A dead rotting corpse. I don't know. I'm gonna try the GMAC thing again.

Marge's Epiphany and Final Confrontation

So he's he's redoing the VIN numbers Marge her break into three is that she has an epiphany when she's driving and she's like I'm gonna go ask Jerry one more time And I'm gonna go see Jerry Lundegaard one more time and see if I can ask him, you know A couple things about her case. She's taking one last dis effort right now She's leaving the Twin Cities with no with nothing a cold case. No answers. She thought well, I'll go ask Jerry I'll go talk to Jerry one more time Alright, here we go. Ready?

Jerry jumps into his five point finale. Number one, gathering the team. Jerry is interrupted by Marge. She wants answers. Execution of the plan. Jerry stonewalls her and becomes noticeably uncooperative. High tower surprise. Marge says, Mr. Lundegaard, can I speak with Mr. Gustafson? That's a big bad one, right? Cause he knows that Mr. Gustafson is currently rotting in this trunk. So they dig down deep as he says, Mr. Ah, well, hell, I'll do a lot counting for you then.

You know, that's his way of trying to stave her off. She's like, what, right now? He's like, Ah, what the Christ! Is that damned important to ya? You know, he's gonna go do a lot count of the cars. Execution of the new plan, he flees. He just takes off. He leaves. He knows he's fucked. He's gone.

Between Jerry and Marge's finales, Carl has a finale of his own, where he finds that Gene was killed, he comes home, sees that Gene's laying on the floor dead, which, by the way, to Jessie's point, When that scene came about, we laughed. Here's poor Jean, one of the innocent people that filmed. She's laying dead on the floor. She's laying dead on the floor and Carl goes, what happened to her?

And, and, and Grimsrud goes, ah, she was streaking about or whatever, you know, like she was making noise. Yeah. She started making noise so he killed her. And we're laughing. We're all like laughing at his response. And poor Jessie's is like, oh my god, these people. So, so then Carl tries to square up with the Grimsrud. You know, here, I got the full 80, 000, 40 for you, 40 for me. They argue about who's going to get the car. And because of it, as he leaves Grimmsrud. Kills him with an axe.

Which is another point where we started laughing, I might add. Marge's five point finale. Gathering the team. She's, she interviews Jerry who flees off. Stan rats out the plan to the cops. Remember when she's in the car and they're like, Oh, this is Gustafson's accountant, Stan. He's finally gone to the cops. He's saying Gustafson is missing and so is Gene. So he finally rats out the whole plan. He wasn't supposed to. Execution of the plan, Marge drives around Moose Lake with the latest info.

High tower surprise, Marge sees the Tan Sierra parked outside the lake house. Dig down deep, instead of waiting for backup or calling more cops, Marge decides to take matters into her own hands and deal with it herself. Execution of the new plan, Marge sees the wood chipper incident and steps in again. Another incident where we are all in the living room laughing.

Chris

I was screaming. I was laughing so hard

Jerome

and poor Jessie's is watching Gare Grimsrud use a log, a fire log to push Carl show Walter's leg into the wood chipper with his foot hanging out and we're all laughing and she's poorly terrified.

Chris

Yeah, rightfully. So.

Jerome

Yeah. Resolution. For Jerry, he's arrested at the motel trying to flee. For Marge, she gives the impassioned speech to Grimsrud. There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don't you know that? Talk about the time of appreciate what you have. She even throws in and this is a quote, and here you are, and it's a beautiful day. I just don't understand. Like, that's, that's, that's, That's so perfect, how that part ends. By the way, this is also in the script.

In the screenplay, which isn't in the film at all, but in the actual screenplay when Jerry Lundegaard first shows up at the bar, It's a hotel bar, I think. Or he checks into a motel as Mr. Anderson. Right? And, and she's like, okay, Mr. Anderson. And then he goes to the bar. To meet the two guys at the end when he's being arrested in that motel, they're like, Mr. Anderson. And he's all who? So he checked into that motel also as Mr. Anderson. Yeah. Okay, closing image.

A flip to the opening image is that, again, this snowy cold mist drives up from the cars, only this time it's driven up not from a car toting the TN Sierra. Now it's a bunch of cop cars and an ambulance. Then he immediately cuts to Marge and Norm comfortably in a warm bed. He announces that he got the three cent stamp. He didn't win the big one. The Hauptmann's won the big one. Their, their what was it? Their their, whatever painting they made won the, the 29 cent. He just got the three cent.

Right. But she is appreciative of him. She encourages him. Norm, that's fantastic, right? She tells him, like, people need the three cent stamp whenever they're stuck with the old ones, right? And then she says, and this closes out the move, movie, talking about the theme of appreciate what you have. Heck Norm, you know, we're doing pretty good. And he says seven more months, or no, he goes two more months because she's seven months pregnant.

He puts his hand on her belly and he goes two more months, two more months. And that's how it ends. Happy, content, appreciative. Marge has gone through her little sin. And has appreciated her spiritual goal.

Chris

She learned her lesson.

Jerome

Learned her lesson. So for a flat arc, which most cop movies are, she does, they do throw in a little bit of learning for her. Right a frustrated probably and again most pregnant women can speak to this V went through it when she was pregnant. It's at their time of where they feel the most unattractive and the most unwanted We know that's not true. You know, we love our pregnant wives Right, but they feel Sort of like, I don't look as good as I used to. Nobody wants me. I'm unattractive.

The Coen's played on that, right? They played on that for just a little bit. Like what if an old high school friend called and wants to have a drink? You know what I mean? She gets dressed up. She gets dialed up all that stuff. Everybody that says that that scene has nothing to do with the movie. They need to watch it again.

Chris

Yeah, that was a good point. I never really gave it that much thought, but yeah, that's totally a theme.

Jerome

So we have another fun exercise here. You know me, I love my little fun exercises.

What Went Wrong: Analyzing the Mistakes

So what went wrong? That's my, that's my title of this next segment. Let's pretend for a moment that we are the perpetrators and hindsight is 20 20. I have one, two, three, four, I have seven things that went wrong that they didn't have to go wrong. Number one, The fact that Greed enticed Carl and Grimsrud to want a brand new car out of the deal. That's the first problem. What if they just said, Alright, we'll do this deal. You pay us 40, you keep 40. And I'll just use my truck. Right?

If they don't want a brand new car out of it, there's never any connection to Jerry Lundegaard. It never gets back to the fact that the, they were driving a stolen brand new car in a dealership with a guy where the phone call was made, right? Like, that's what she says. The perpetrators were driving a stolen car and they called somebody who works here. So that's a coincidence, right? Right.

If they never said, give us a new car, they just said, well, we'll do it for 40 grand, we'll take my truck. Nobody ever said that. It has any connection to Jerry. Number two, why not decide ahead of time who's gonna get the fucking car? Right? Like at the end, it becomes an argument which leads Grimmsrd to kill Carl with an axe and stick him in a wood chipper. Why wouldn't they decide at the head of time and say, okay, we're getting a brand new car out of this, which one of us is getting it?

You know what I mean? And they could say right then, well, you know, if he pays us the 40, 000, one of us pays the other one for half. So, one of us will get 40, 000, or 20, 000, the other one will get, or 30, 000, the other one gets, say, the car and 10, 000. I'm talking 1990 money, you know? 000, I don't know how much a car cost back then, but whatever. You know, and if Carl can get his hands on all 80, 000.

Then one of us will get 40, 000 or, you know, I don't know, 70 The other one will get 10 or 20 thousand with a car. Like, why didn't they make that? My point is, why didn't they make that arrangement ahead of time?

Chris

Right.

Jerome

Right? Instead of it being a moment of contention and argument that leads to one of them getting killed. 3. Not sure the ins and outs of this GMAC scandal. Again, we don't really know all of it, but what if, and again, I might sound ignorant here, to anyone that really knows how to scam the GMAC, what if instead of fake VINs for cars that didn't exist, why didn't he just give them real VIN numbers for cars that did exist?

As executive sales manager, couldn't he have set 10 cards aside and tell his sales people, don't sell these, these 10 cars. I'm putting them in the back of the lot. They're defective. Don't sell them. Why didn't he just tell the GMAC the VIN numbers of those 10 cars? Why did he have to make them up? Again, I don't know. I don't know.

Again, I might be ignorant of great schemes and scams, but I, I always thought like, why, why if you don't, my thing is, if you don't have to lie, why are you lying?

Chris

Right.

Jerome

But anyway, okay. Number four, why bother, why bother clearing the cop off the road? Right? Just leave him there. Leave him, you shot the cop, take off! Or at the very least, go to his car, turn the lights off and grab his citation book, and then take off. The fact that they spend the time trying to clear the cop off the road and then the drive by witnesses see it,

Chris

that's

Jerome

what starts the whole act too, and that's what starts Marge getting involved. If the cops never get involved, like if they clear that cop, if they don't clear the cop off the road. If they shoot him, and they grab a citation book, and they leave, there is no telling how long it would have taken Marge to ever solve

Chris

It remains a cold case.

Jerome

It would be a cold case for Oh, literally. Nice job there. I like that. Fargo. Quite literally, an icy cold case. It would have stayed like that forever. They never would have found Lundegaard. They never would have, you know, they never would have had any of these clues.

Chris

Right.

Jerome

And, by the way, If you just take the citation book and drive off, you save two lives. You don't kill those two people that are driving by.

Chris

Right.

Jerome

So, you know what I mean? All right, number five. Once Carl saw that the, the that there was a million dollars in that satchel, why haggle with Crimsroad over who's going to get the car? Really? I got 80, 000? Look, I got all 80, 000. 40 for you, 40 for me, I'm taking the car. Grimsrud says we split that, one of us pays the other for half. Why did Carl lose his shit? Why not just say, You know what? You're right. The car's worth 20 grand, here's 10 grand.

You get 50, 000, I'll take 30, 000 and the car. Knowing he's about to go pick up a satchel of a million bucks in it. Right? Like, why would you argue with him? It's a fucking million dollars out there and you're arguing over ten grand. Yep. Ugh, that part bothers me so much. Just let him have the fucking thing. Alright, number six. When Wade wants to offer half, if you're a jury, why not just accept that? And say, yeah, you know what? I'll get back to them and try.

The fact that he stonewalls them is what makes Wade want to take over.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

Right? And say, you're not selling me a damn car, Jerry. I want to handle this myself. It's my money. It's my million dollars. But if he was to say, well, why don't we offer half? And Jerry says, Okay, I'll go back to them. I'll go back to them and see if they, if they'll take half. He still knows he's gonna get that money anyway, so why not do that? You, you keep yourself in charge. By stonewalling the old man, he now wants to be in charge.

Chris

You're trying to correct the mistakes, but without the mistakes, you don't have the movie.

Jerome

Of course, that's why this is titled What Went Wrong. You know, what's another good movie for this exercise? A simple plan for that movie with Bill Paxton and Billy Bob Thornton. Oh, we got to do that. But I don't remember if I've seen that. We got to do that movie sometime. That's, that's the most you'll ever get to a Hitchcock film. That's not directed by Alfred Hitchcock. All right. Anyway, one more point. Number seven.

Why didn't Jerry star six, nine, the phone as soon as Wade and Carl hung up. So. They're both on the phone, right? He, he's talking to Carl and Carl's like, all right, enough fucking around. I want you to meet me at the top of this parking garage, whatever, blah, blah, blah. He named it and Wade's listening in, right? And then Wade hangs up before the phone calls even over. And he heads out the door with the money and Jerry's all pissed.

What if Jerry just picked up the phone and hit star six, nine, Carl couldn't have been more than five feet away from that phone. If the payphone starts ringing, he's likely to go back and answer it. And if it's Jerry, Jerry could say, Look, change of plans. We're gonna do it in two hours. Not one hour. Two hours. And we're gonna do it at some other location. Carl might be pissed, but he'd be like, Alright, fine. Okay. Then, he waits for his dad to come back. He waits for Wade to come back.

Or, he meets Wade there. At the first location. And says, Hey, they were watching. They were watching this whole time. They knew it was you instead of me and they kept gene. They're not coming. You got to give me the money. You got to let me do it. If I don't do it, they're not going to show. Right.

Chris

So you'd make a better criminal.

Jerome

Am I implicating myself right now? Is that what?

Chris

Yeah, you got this figured out, man.

Jerome

Yeah, I mean, he could have said they were pissed, they were watching, and they saw it was you and not me. They're gonna hurt Gene, give me the fucking money so I can do this drop, quit involving yourself where I told you not to get involved. It would also speak to, you know, standing up to the old man, right? Yeah. But anyway. None of that happened. So anyway, so that's what went wrong. And of course, if any of those things happen, like you said, we don't have a movie.

That's of course why, why those things didn't happen is to make the movie far better. All right.

Trivia and Final Thoughts

I got some trivia here to end out this episode. The role of Carl Showalter was written specifically for Steve Buscemi. Grimsrud, who played, who's played by Peter Stormare has 18 lines of dialogue. 18. Carl Showalter. Who plays Buscemi, who's played by Buscemi has 150 lines of dialogue.

Chris

And they're all in the same scenes.

Jerome

And they're in the same scenes, except for the part where he's with the hooker. That's the only added stuff he has. The wood chipper used in the film is now on display at the Fargo Moorhead Visitor Center.

Chris

That's amazing.

Jerome

Um, The money that Carl stashes in the snow. Is later found apparently in season one of the show Fargo, which I've never seen, but apparently there's a character named Stavros who's played by Oliver Platt who finds the money in the snow and then he moves to Duluth and starts a new life.

Chris

Oh, that's amazing. I didn't know that either.

Jerome

Uh, My last point is finally the clearing the cop off the road before we're seen by an upcoming car. That's actually an homage that Cohen's paid.

To themselves a very similar situation happens in the Coen's first movie blood simple in 1984 where a guy has to pick a shot dude off the ground in the middle of the freeway in the dead of night and Drag him to his car and lo and behold here come the headlights of an oncoming car a potential witness The dramatic elements of, oh my god, is he gonna make it in time, oh my god, is he gonna get the car, is he gonna get the body out of the way before the, the witnesses come, all that is the exact

same. It's almost shot the exact same, the way they pick up the body and he's pulling him. Like he's dragging him. Yeah. It's almost identical. When I watched Blood Simple, I was like, my God, that scene is straight from Fargo. But then I was like, wait a minute, this one came out first. So the Fargo scene is straight from this. Wow. I had to get my timelines set up. That's all I got. What do you got for Fargo?

Chris

I don't know. I just

Jerome

Other than the Jessie story.

Chris

Yeah, that's it, man. I just, it's great though. It's so great because it's cemented a memory in our family history from the, the, I mean the month after we got married. So it's been a running story for years.

Jerome

From a writing standpoint though, isn't it intriguing, isn't it intriguing from a writing standpoint how There is no clear protagonist. Yeah. It is wild movies where it's like the, the, the, the lead, the, the lady who wins best actress for the lead in Fargo doesn't show up until 30 minutes into the film.

Chris

Yeah. That's pretty wild.

Jerome

Like, but they make it work. Anybody else that tries that it's a failure.

Chris

Oh yeah. There's no way.

Jerome

Right. But the Coen's make it work. They, the, the kind of knowing the rules, bending them, but don't breaking them. Knowing the beats. Yeah. They did it with Raising Arizona and they did it with Fargo. And they, I mean, I, I think, like I said, as you, as we just laid out, you could argue a beat sheet for both Jerry and Marge, which one is the lead? You know what I mean? Like, you know, when we did fat man. We couldn't tell who the lead was. We couldn't tell any of them had a beat sheet.

We couldn't tell any of them's goals or anything. That's how poorly it can be done. The Coens do it to where your leads, you might not be able to figure out who the damn lead is, but they all have their own stories going on. They all have their own beat sheets and it all works. And it makes for a great film. I mean, obviously this film won best original screenplay.

Chris

Yeah, that says a lot. I don't know.

Jerome

Anything else to add for Fargo? Should we get the 60 degrees?

Chris

Yeah, that, I was just gonna say, it says a lot because that, I mean, they got best screenplay for something that really is, I don't know if it's ever been done.

Jerome

I don't think you could teach Fargo in a screenwriting class. You know what I mean? Like, it's just so, it's uniquely breaking of rules that it would be hard for a screenwriting teacher to teach Fargo.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

But anyway, okay, 6 degrees.

Chris

So I know we chose Randall Tex Cobb. Right from from raising Arizona,

Jerome

from raising Arizona. And then is it Tony Denim Denman from Fargo? Yeah, yeah. He was Scotty. Well, I just threw it out there. I was like, you know, we were kind of hard pressed Denman Denman. Okay. So we were, we were hard pressed for some six degrees. And usually we pick the kids that have never been in anything else. So we thought Scotty and then Nathan jr, but then Nathan jr hadn't been in anything. So we went with Scotty. And then we went Randall Tex Cobb from Raising Arizona.

Chris

All right, so how'd you do?

Jerome

So, it's actually fairly easy. So Randall Tex Cobb in Raising Arizona, he played Leonard Smalls. He was in the Golden Child, where he played a character named Till.

Chris

Oh yeah.

Jerome

Golden Child with Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Eddie Murphy, of course, was in Beverly Hills Cop with John Ashton, who plays one of the cops. Oh God, what are the cops names in Beverly Hills Cop? The Rosewood uh, Taggart and Rosewood, right? So he played Taggart. John Ashton played Taggart. But John Ashton was in Little Big League with Tony Denman, who was playing Scottie.

Chris

Wow, that was a

Jerome

That's only three.

Chris

Three, wow.

Jerome

Yeah, Little Big League, Beverly Hills Cop, and Golden Child.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

Now again, we could have made this way harder for ourselves if we had picked Nathan Jr., but Nathan Jr. was literally in nothing else. Right. So, but you said he's coming up in a documentary, right?

Chris

I don't know how legit that is, because it's just, when you go to the kid's IMDb, it said he has one upcoming project, and I forgot, what was it called?

Jerome

Wasn't it like Raised Arizona, or We Raised Arizona, or something like that?

Chris

Yeah, I don't remember.

Jerome

Arizona Raised or something, it's about the kid anyway.

Chris

It's funny, his IMDb page is, is him in the car seat as a baby in the middle of the road.

Jerome

That's his IMDB page. I am the fucking baby from Raising Arizona. That's, that's, yeah.

Chris

Arizona Raised.

Jerome

Hey man.

Chris

That's the name of it.

Jerome

Oh, that's what it is. Arizona Raised.

Chris

Whatever happened to the babies cast in the Coen's Comedy Cult Classic? Raising Arizona. I don't know what this is. It's in post production right now.

Jerome

Oh, so it might be all about the 15 babies that were cast, I guess. Maybe they'll interview the one that was fired for learning how to walk.

Chris

Yeah.

Jerome

All right. Anything, anything else on these before we, before we land the plane?

Chris

No, before we lose this feed one more time, we should just say go support your local cinema. And we lose you? We lost him. That's a great way to end the show. We lost Jerome. Again. I'm gonna take a picture of it when it drops. There it goes. Jerome has gone away. Damn it. I'm keeping this part in. So, just for the, for the listeners, his internet sucks. So this new studio, he's gotta fix something. I think it's Xfinity's fault. They are not getting the speeds they need.

And uh, we, the last five minutes of this show dropped Jerome. Jerome has lost us. Hold on. I'm telling the audience what's going on because I'm keeping this part in.

Jerome

No, I'm fucking here. God damn it. This is like, this is like we're, we're at a bar and you turn to tell me something and I've gone to like go You fell on the floor. Yeah, or pass out, or flirt with somebody, or go get another drink, and you're like where the fuck did he go? That's, that's the equivalent of what's going on here.

Chris

Well, happy hour's wrapping up, so.

Jerome

Technical difficulties in our new room.

Chris

Yeah, I was telling them your Xfinity is on the fritz, I think uh, yeah.

Jerome

This is not a very good endorsement for Xfinity.

Chris

No, Xfinity can bite my ankle.

Jerome

Your ankle?

Chris

Yeah, being kind. For the kids.

Jerome

For the many kids that listen to our two hour screenwriting podcast.

Chris

Alright, did you hear what I said? So before we cut out again, Go support your local cinema.

Jerome

Yes. Wait, wait, wait. Before we close out, did you have anything to pitch? Are we, are we pitching anything? Are we giving any shout outs? You already shout out Scott Winkleman's dad. I shout out Dave Asalo. Uh, Anything else?

Chris

Shout out to my wife for sticking with us for this long.

Jerome

Oh god, thank you Jessie's. Since 1996. For not, for not blaming us for this movie.

Chris

Yeah, I think it's 28 years this year, right? Wow, oh my god. I'm getting old.

Jerome

You are old. What do you mean, getting? Alright let's land the plane. Alright folks, thanks for joining in and listening to our, our drinking and ranting. Thanks for listening. Stay drinking and stay watching. And go support your local cinema. We did it. My god, it took three hours, dude. Three hours.

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