Hey, Chris here. Before we jump in, I wanted to talk to you for a minute about the frequency of our show. We really wanted this episode to drop during the 2024 election season. Thankfully, I was able to get it up for Inauguration Day. There's a multitude of reasons why I'm just having a hard time getting the editing done and getting the turnaround time. But I just wanted to thank you, you're a loyal listener. I see the downloads and I just wanted to thank you for continuing to come back every time we drop an episode. And I wish I could promise you that the frequency would get better, but 2025 is bringing my fourth grandchild and I'm super stoked and I love this season of my life, but I also work a full time job and yeah, so long as this is a hobby, it's going to remain a little unpredictable sometimes. But again, I just wanted to thank you for sticking with us. And if you are enjoying the show, please share it with somebody and why don't you crack one open and let's get this one started. You're listening to the silver screen happy hour. I'm Chris Wiegand along with my brother, Jerome present and accounted for. All right, I'm ready for this one. So, I guess one of the questions that we've been kicking around as we were talking about the doing these two movies is Are there any good politicians?
Jerome:Well, wait, wait, wait, you're burying the lead. Why did we even choose these movies?
Chris:Well, I mean Who's running for president?
Jerome:We are in an election year.
Chris:On both sides.
Jerome:Right, but I mean, my point is that it's an election year. Yeah, yeah, it's an election year. We are, as of today, we are what, two months away? Less than.
Chris:By the time I get this edited, it'll probably be election night.
Jerome:We should release this on election night. So yeah, we did choose two political movies, and we stand, we pose the question that we are thinking of ourselves. Are there any good politicians?
Chris:So and I think this is a great pairing to answer that question as far as comedy goes because right now Politics is straight up comedy straight comedy to me. I'm like real life politics. It's just crazy It's crazy times we live in but for our audience's sake We're not going to be actually talking about real politics. You're welcome. Exactly. You'll thank us later. So so where should we start? Let's start with what are you drinking?
Jerome:Well, as you know, I brought this out for the John Wick episode. because it was so good. I still haven't finished the bottle yet. But, but I know because it's, it's rather pricey stuff, but it's a nice bottle of Blanton's. And I brought this out today because in the movies, both movies, you often see People drinking the high end whiskey, because that's what politicians do, right? Sure. They get together to carve up this country amongst themselves, and they do it over a glass of whiskey. So here we go. Hang on. Hang on.
Chris:That's a nice looking bottle. I like that bottle. Is that a horse on the, on the cork, on the top? It
Jerome:is. It is a horse. And remember, it was actually in the movie John Wick. Right. Which is why I chose it for that podcast. Yeah. All right, here we go.
Chris:Oh yeah. I'm, man. I love me some whiskey. And I'm not drinking whiskey today.
Jerome:No?
Chris:No man. I had enough whiskey for the week at the wedding I went to on Saturday, but that's not for this conversation. I actually decided uh, this is political comedies and in politics you have banquets, you have champagne. And so I decided I'm drinking some bubbly today, something I don't normally do. Whaaaaat? So, this is a bottle my wife opened yesterday because she had some girlfriends over. There it is.
Jerome:I like how you're drinking the girlfriend's leftover wine.
Chris:Well, you know.
Jerome:Girl's night out.
Chris:My wife doesn't normally drink it, so it's just gonna go flat in our refrigerator. So here we go.
Jerome:So if
Chris:Gotta pour this slow. Jeez. This podcast.
Jerome:Alright, so, I don't think we even mentioned, of course the audience knows by now, hopefully, the two movies we're talking about today are Dave and The Campaign.
Chris:Yeah, and Dave and the campaign, as we get into these comedies, I think answers the question, Are there any good politicians? Or they attempt to. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty good.
Jerome:Alright, so I think we should start with Dave. And the reason is, is because there's more silly humor in the second film. Yeah. And as we go drinking, as this podcast goes on, It'll be more. It gets funnier as it goes.
Chris:Well, and that's maybe the problem. I'll just tip my hand right now. I did not like the campaign. And we'll get there, but I was sober when
Jerome:I watched it. That's probably, that's the problem, yeah, that's the problem. If
Chris:I was watching it with you drinking, I probably would have enjoyed it more. Well,
Jerome:don't worry, movie goers agreed with you, and we'll get to that too. Alright, go for it. Okay, Dave, here's the specs. 1993, directed by Ivan Reitman, written by Gary Ross. Running time of 1 hour 50 minutes with a budget of 28 million. It was released on May 7th, 1993, and made 63 million worldwide, which was good for 16th place that year, falling behind films like Philadelphia, Groundhog Day, and Grumpy Old Men, but finished ahead of Demolition Man, Tombstone, and Falling Down. So we, it's 93, we already talked about 93 when we did the True Romance episode, so you already know. What the number one movie of the year was Jurassic Park Jurassic Park, but I'm gonna add a new flavor to the list I am going to ask you if you can name the top five movies of the entire 90s no The decade of the night. I'm not gonna
Chris:try top five. Okay Titanic
Jerome:Titanic was number one And I'm sure you can guess number two because you just said it
Chris:Forrest Gump or Jurassic Park
Jerome:Jurassic Park So Forrest Gump's got to
Chris:be in there though
Jerome:Forrest Gump is not in the top five, but wait, there's, there's funny trivia that connects to that. But for the entire nineties, Titanic is one, Jurassic Park is two.
Chris:The Matrix.
Jerome:Give me the other three.
Chris:No. No, that was better. I mean, that probably went bigger on video. What else? That was somewhere
Jerome:around seven or eight on the list, if I can remember correctly. Now, remember, this is Saving Private Ryan. This is worldwide gross. No. No? Dang. You're missing two obvious ones. There's one I don't think you'll get, but you're missing two obvious ones that I know you know and would kick yourself. Yeah, I mean, JFK?
Chris:That wasn't that big. No,
Jerome:no, no,
Chris:no, no. What, I, I, just, just tell us.
Jerome:Think of the force. Think lightsabers.
Chris:In the
Jerome:90s? Hello? What was the most anticipated film of all time? Was that in
Chris:99?
Jerome:Yes, The Phantom Menace. I
Chris:have that in my head as 2000. So The
Jerome:Phantom Menace was the third highest grossing worldwide film of the decade of the 90s. I
Chris:can see that.
Jerome:Okay. I don't think you'll get number four, so we'll get to that in a second. But you gotta know number five. This was another space oriented movie. Think of disaster films. Independence Day. Independence Day was number 5. That was a big summer
Chris:blockbuster.
Jerome:Number 4, I don't think you'd get if you sat here and named 20 movies. You'll be surprised, but I'll give you a hint. It's animated.
Chris:Lion King. Yes! I thought for
Jerome:sure you were gonna say either Beauty and the Beast or Toy Story. Cause both of those were on the list. Lion King. Actually,
Chris:since we're talking about Star Wars and Lion King. Should we raise a glass right now?
Jerome:Oh, yes, absolutely. That was yesterday, right?
Chris:Yeah, we got the news yesterday. James Earl Jones has moved on and joined the force.
Jerome:He has absorbed into the force.
Chris:Just to, man, raise this glass. And oddly enough,
Jerome:93 years old since we're talking about 1993. James Earl Jones was 93, and here's to you, James. I'm going to drink mine right
Chris:now. Sorry for the slurp there, James.
Jerome:Alright, so Lion King. So so here's the funny trivia when you mention Forrest Gump. Lion King finished second to Forrest Gump in 94. Oh my gosh. But, but the overall decade and worldwide gross, Lion King surpassed it by the time the decade was over.
Chris:Oh, that's funny.
Jerome:So, yeah, so in that one single year, and if you were to just do 94, Forrest Gump made more than Lion King. But since then, like, overall, The Lion King has become the bigger movie.
Chris:Hmm. Interesting.
Jerome:Uh, Of the 90s. Yeah. Okay, so let's get back to Dave. A movie that was not one of the top five grossing of all time. Or at least of the 90s. Dave was nominated for one Academy Award. Best Original Screenplay, Gary Ross. But he lost to Jane Campion for The Piano. Hmm. The other three nominees in the original screenplay category that year were Sleepless in Seattle, Philadelphia, and one of my personal favorites, In the Line of Fire with Clint Eastwood. So, a great year for original screenplays.
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:Okay, Dave Stars, Kevin Kline as Dave Kovic Bill oh, sorry, Dave Kovic slash Bill Mitchell, he plays both parts. Sigourney Weaver as Ellen Mitchell, Frank Langella as Bob Alexander, Kevin Dunn as Alan Reed, Ving Rhames as Dwayne Stevenson, Ben Kingsley as Vice President Nance, Laura Linney in an early role for her as Randy, and Charles Grodin as Murray Blum.
Chris:Yep.
Jerome:Alright, when did you first see this movie?
Chris:Probably right after it came out. I don't think I saw it at the theater, but I remember seeing it way back when, you know, I don't remember. I saw it on video. I've seen it on video several times. So just watched it again a couple days ago.
Jerome:Yeah. We were talking about in the, on the true romance episode, how many times you and I had gone to the movies, not, not together, but you know, with our friends. Sure. How many movies came out in 93? I mean, look at the ones I just mentioned.
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:You know, Philadelphia, Sleepers in Seattle, In the Line of Fire you know, Jurassic Park. And
Chris:back then we still had cable, so these things eventually made it to cable. You know what I mean? Yes, yes. And I don't remember how many times I've seen it. I know I've saw it several times because I enjoyed this movie. Yeah. And, you know, if it was on, I didn't mind sitting down and watching it.
Jerome:So I as well did not see this in the theater. Again, it was just, you know, one of the ones I missed. There was just so many damn movies out in 93.
Chris:Right.
Jerome:And isn't that funny that today's era, we live in a world of streaming to where I might go to the movies three times all year.
Chris:Isn't that crazy? And,
Jerome:and, not only that, how many big movies can we say there are? Like what, last year there was Oppenheimer and Barbie were the two biggest ones, right? Everything else we got on streaming.
Chris:I
Jerome:mean, other than taking your kids to see an animated film, and my kids are still small, I mean We don't, we just don't do it like we did back then, you know, in 93, that's what you did. You, I, I think I, me and my friends went to the movies every other Friday, if not every Friday. Right. And you know, more than I did, but I still, you know, you know, aside from seeing Jurassic Park four times in the theater, there were still all these other films. Tombstone came out in 93. You know what I mean? Like,
Chris:well, and plus we grew up in Michigan. So in the winter, if you're not like, Into outdoor sports in the winter. Yeah, you went to the movies.
Jerome:Yeah, there was only one thing to do. So on that note, I also did not see this in the theater, but it came out on video. December 22nd was when it was on VHS and I'm happy to say, Mom, if you're listening, this was one of Mom and I's Friday night skips video rentals that we watched together. That's great. I remember this, it's I remember in the movie Parenthood, in the beginning of the movie Parenthood, he called it an amalgam. where you have you know, 20 different memories, but they're all kind of lopped together into one memory. Yeah, I have one memory of watching movies with mom on Friday night from Skip's video, but I know that it happened from the mid eighties to the mid nineties. Oh, it
Chris:happened all the time. Yeah.
Jerome:Yeah. Like that's all. We went to Skip's video on Fridays and we rented it out weekly,
Chris:multiple times a month. And
Jerome:Skip would hold the new releases for mom so that she would get her hands on the new releases. That's great. And Dave was one of them. So alright, log me.
Chris:Alright. An uncanny presidential look like named Dave is recruited by the Secret Service to become a momentary stand in for the President of the United States. Pretty clean.
Jerome:Yeah. Make sense?
Chris:Yep.
Jerome:Okay. And because it's billed as a comedy, anybody reading that, if they, you know, looking through the newspaper to see what movie you want to see this week, and they read that, they're like, oh, that could be funny. Yeah, you know, I like Kevin
Chris:Kline. Yeah, let's do it.
Jerome:Alright, let's do it. Alright, we have the beats. Which is ironic that I, you know, anybody that listens to our podcast, I say it like that every week. Every time we do this, I say every week. Every time we do this. And it's a play on We Have the Meats. And it's Ving Rhames voice that does that in the Arby's commercial.
Chris:We need to get him to do our podcast. Oh
Jerome:god, Ving Rhames, I know you're listening. Oh, that'd be great. Of course you are. Can you do the We Have the Beats the way you do We Have the Meats for the Arby's commercial? That'd be awesome,
Chris:man. That'd make me hungry, though. Oh, I know. That would be
Jerome:so good. All right. Once again, if you're, if you're listening for the RV should sponsor this episode now, they should Arby's and Blanton's, there's our, there's our sponsors. So if you are listening to our podcast for the first time, you know that when I say the beats, we're talking a lot about Blake Snyder and his save the cat beat sheets. We will also reference. We usually do. Writing techniques from the other big giants, the Sid Fields and, you know Robert McKee. But, the, the, the big one is Blake Snyder. That's what this a lot of these the podcast notes come from. Yeah. So here are the beats. Opening image! So the opening credits appear over the vast landscapes of Washington, D. C. Every monument, every historical site you can think of, and this is going to serve as a perfect bookend to the closing shot. Alright, set up. There's a lot of set up in the first seven minutes. That's my brother peeing right now. He didn't want to go to the bathroom, so he's peeing. Alright, go for it. Alright. Alright, so in the first seven minutes, Dave is introduced, the fact that he runs a temp agency does side gigs as a presidential impersonator, the fact that he rides a bike, all these things are like they're gonna be paid off later. He's a nice guy the whole save the cat thing where Dave you know, the main character, one of Blake Snyder's things, but where he got the title of his books from save the cat is that your protagonist should do something early in the movie. That's good. That gets your, the audience wanting to root for him, right?
Chris:Right.
Jerome:Well, Dave finds Lola a job in like the first few minutes of the movie, right? He works in a temp agency and she's crying.
Chris:Doesn't he manage it or own it? Yeah,
Jerome:he runs it. Yeah, it's, it's, it's Kovic. Kovic temps is the name of the business.
Chris:So it's his.
Jerome:Yeah, it's his, but, but so that's what he does. Yeah. Right. We also get an intro to his friend, Murray, who helps him out by hiring the people that he needs to get jobs for. But also what I thought was interesting is intercut in the middle of all this is at the same time we meet President Mitchell, who essentially does the opposite. He kills the cat. Because when he, you know, when he wants to get rid of the homeless shelters, right?
Chris:Right off the bat, you know who you're rooting for.
Jerome:Yeah, yeah. So. Exactly. So it's a perfect contrast. I thought that was genius. Yeah. That while, while, while Dave is saving the cat Bill Mitchell is killing the cat. Cause he's just a dick, right? Yeah. So, and I guess it goes with our Our question for today, are there any good politicians? We know that this guy is a career politician because of how he treats people. Right. All right. Uh,
Chris:And he shows like in the opening scene, how he puts on a face for the crowd, but then he immediately turns it off when he. It gets behind closed doors.
Jerome:The way he throws the dog leashes. What an asshole! Right? They give him his, he gets off the presidential helicopter, they walk his cute little dogs over to him, he takes the leashes, smiles to the crowd, walks the dogs, and then when he gets inside the White House, he throws the leashes, like, get these fucking animals away from me. Like, so, it's a perfect setup. And, and here is something I wanted to notate. They had to do it this way for it to work. Yeah. If the president was a nice guy. This movie doesn't work. Right. Right. The only reason this, this movie works so well is because we root for Dave. We wouldn't root for Dave as much if the president was also cool. You know, right,
Chris:right, right.
Jerome:So in the first seven minutes we meet we also meet the two sidekicks of the president, his chief of staff, Bob Alexander and communications director, Alan Reed. As well as Dwayne, Dwayne Stevenson, the head of the Secret Service, agent played by Ving Rhames. All right, theme stated at eight minutes in. The theme also kicks off our four point push as it starts the inciting incident. They kind of both happen at the same time. The president occasionally uses impersonators and stand ins to do hand waving while he is securely moved out of places and into other places. Dwayne presents all this to Dave and says, quote, Your government needs your help. This will not only be Dave's ongoing theme and the central question throughout the film, but it also is kind of a jump on the tangible goal to the spiritual goal. We're gonna get more on that later, but in the immediate, the central question is, Can the little guy make a difference in the country? Right. Right? That's Dave's central question. They're asking him for help. So that's going to be the theme of the film and Dave's journey is going to help us answer it as well as our question that you and I pose to each other. All right, four point push. We already mentioned the inciting incident. That's when Dwayne kind of crashes into Dave's before world and asks him for help to do stand in work. Dave agrees and he does the hand waving at the Monroe hotel while the real president is off presiding over some serious cave drilling. Sorry, that was a metaphor. By the way, also in this scene, we start to see a little the promises of the premise as Dave tries out the theme of the little guy making a difference. You're going to see this peppered throughout the movie. So in this part, he's walking like as the president, everybody's behind him. And he just stops to see if everybody else will stop too. And they do. And they all look at him like, why are you stopping? And then he starts walking again, right? So it's a little things like that. Like, can the little guy really change things? Like, can, can the little guy make a difference? What's
Chris:cool about those opening scenes too, when he is first impersonating the president is that. It's so relatable. Like I would feel that way. I would be weirded out by it. Right. Cause you know, who am I? Right. So it's very relatable.
Jerome:We're going to get a couple of those throughout the whole film. Like there's several of them. Also when he goes to do this hand waving, he gets kind of, loses control of himself, and he yells out, God bless you! God bless America! But anyway, he wasn't supposed to talk, he was given direction not to say anything. But, but he couldn't get, he couldn't hold it in. Alright, so, Catalyst, 16 minutes in. This was the serious cave drilling I was alluding to. While the president is cheating on his wife with Brandy, the White House secretary Oh, by the way, she was also introduced earlier in the first seven minutes. So, a lot happens in that first sentence. I forgot to mention, we did introduce Brandy as well. That's Laura Linney's character. He has a stroke. A bad one. Yeah. Like, hit both sides of his brain. Yep. Alright, debate begins. Eighteen minutes in. Bob and Alan hatch a plan for secrecy and decide to keep the country in the dark. At least for the short term. Then of course they pitch this To Dave in this great sort of like, quote, unquote, the country is sick and you're going to get her to the hospital speech. That's a great scene. They're sitting down on the couch like, have you ever run a red light? And he's all, I don't know, maybe he doesn't want to answer. And they're like, well, what if you're, what if it was at night and there's nobody around? How about then? He's like, I don't know. I don't know. Like he still doesn't want to answer. Like, well, what if your mom was in the car and she was sick? You'd do it then. Right? He's like, yeah. Yeah. Then, then I guess I would do it. They're like, Dave, the whole country is in the car. So the country is sick and you're going to get her to the hospital. So that's the debate. And then break into two is where they're basically showing him around at night. And while Dave is in awe and feeling very insecure there's another emotional push and pull moment where he almost gets the, the little man can't make a difference because he looks out the window and he goes, Whoa, at this site. And then when he sits on the end of the bed, he sees the painting of George Washington and a look of. Terror comes across his face. Like, what the fuck am I doing here,
Chris:man?
Jerome:So, so, you know, so that's sort of that again, that emotional tug of war, the push and pull. I think the definitive moment of breaking into act two though, in this scene is that almost exactly at the 25 minute mark, he's standing in front of the mirror and he's practicing the impersonation skills because he picked up the phone, right? As soon as he picks up the phone. the guy on the other end automatically goes, yes, Mr. President. And he goes nothing goodnight. And he hangs up So now he's standing in front of the mirror and he is practicing his impersonation. He is all nothing goodnight, you know, So I feel like that's the definitive moment. 'cause at that point I could be wrong. Other people might have a different one. I think that's the definitive point, because he's in now, he might be insecure and scared, but he's he's agreed to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. He's, he's all in. So we're now getting into the upside down world of Act two. Starts in fun and games act two begins with Alan's press conference telling the world about the president's mild stroke Bob lays out his plan to take over. This is privately after the press conference. At the 27 minute mark, Bob says, quote, I just hope this Yutz can pull it off. End quote. Again, a little man reference, right? Can the little, can the little man do this? Can a little man make a difference? Also in that scene, Bob is drinking scotch while Alan is drinking Alka Seltzer. I think this is clever. This is not an accident. This is done on purpose. It's setting up between the two of them, which is the one with the conscience.
Chris:Yeah, yeah. And,
Jerome:and which one is the one with the bad guy, right? Which one is the bad guy, which one's the good guy? Bob is the shark, and Alan is the one that feels remorse, fear, and regret almost immediately for what they're doing. In fact, I want to say that scene opens with him on the couch, and he goes, Do you have any idea how many different laws we've broken?
Chris:Oh, they'd be in jail forever.
Jerome:Oh, dude. Hahaha. So, okay so a funny moment in this segment as well they tell Dave to call his job. And tell him he's not going to be there for a month because he fell in love and he's going away on a month long holiday. Yeah. When he calls the temp agency to talk to his secretary, the, this is one of my favorite lines of the whole movie. He goes, she's re he's making up that he met someone and he goes, oh, yeah, she's real exotic. She's Polynesian. Well, half Polynesian, half American. She's amnesian. I gotta say, man, when I saw this in 93, sitting on the couch with mom,
Chris:Amnesian.
Jerome:I busted out laughing like that was for an 18 year old. That's comic gold right there, you know. I just thought that was so funny. All right. B story. When does the B story come in, Chris? Usually about how long? Halfway. How about No, you always say that. You always say that and you always ask, and I always ask. I don't know why. At the 34 minute mark, usually about a half hour in, so you got the half part, right? Just not halfway, half hour. Half hour.
Chris:That's what it was. All right.
Jerome:At the 34 minute mark we're officially introduced to the first lady, even though she did make a brief appearance earlier. Like with the dog leash thing. Yeah, she was there. But we don't really meet her, you know, so this is where we actually are introduced to Ellen Mitchell. Who shows up for a media hand waving that she hates to do. Ellen serves the B story because she will drive Dave to his spiritual goal. Funny moment, his first lines on screen are I'm sorry, her first lines as soon as she walks in the door. He's just seeing her for the first time, and the first thing she says is, Why can't you die from a stroke like everyone else? I know, I love that. Uh, Okay, and so, and then they, they kind of do this like, Weird, like Cyrano de Bergerac thing, where they're like feeding him lines, And he's on the balcony, reciting the lines? And then he gets distracted, and they're like, Cause the, the media keeps asking questions, And they're like, Go, just go, go, go! And he goes, Go, go, go! Yeah. Why? Everyone's confused. Alright, more fun and games. Ellen's in Ellen notices little changes. So this is something else that's gonna be peppered throughout the movie, Is little times Ellen notices something.
Chris:Mm hmm.
Jerome:That makes her think something's up with this impersonator. Remember, she still thinks it's him. She still thinks it's her husband.
Chris:But,
Jerome:but during the fun and games scene, there's, there's a scene segment. There's a scene where he's out on the lawn playing with dogs and she's on the balcony watching. This is later than this press conference part. And, and. They kind of have a shot of her like she's taking interest in it because the husband never plays with the dogs He hates the dogs, you know what I mean? So it's during this montage of Dave adjusting to presidential life So that's one thing right there where Ellen notices a change at the 42 minute mark He has a late night sandwich with Dwayne. This is a double setup and payoff for later for both the sandwich and Dwayne. They're both gonna have a payoff later from this. After confirming that Dwayne's job is about taking a bullet for the president, Dave asks, So, now you'd take a bullet for me? Yeah, right. And Dwayne's hesitant in answering. He doesn't answer, as a matter of fact. He just looks at him. Right, and Dave is frightened. No, he doesn't just look at him. You can tell that he's uncertain. Dave not Dave, Dwayne. Dwayne's like, I don't know if I would like you're just a nobody, you know, so because he can't answer it. Dave's kind of like what the fuck like he's kind of frightened. All right. So meanwhile, while this is going on, Bob and Alan discussed dropping the first Liberty scandal on the vice president and how Dave's poll numbers are skyrocketing. Bob says. quote, Alan, you still need to control this guy. Again, there is no wasted line in this movie, right? Even those little throwaway lines are important. You know, that's a sign that Bob foresees that this could become a problem. You know, the old Bill Mitchell was a dick and he had unlike ability, but Dave is very likable. His poll numbers skyrocketing could be a problem for Bob and his plan. So Bob's starting to get worried. Alright, case in point. Dave gets some savagely good media coverage when he visits a homeless shelter and does a magic trick for the child. The very homeless shelter that Bill Mitchell, the president, wanted to get rid of. This starts with Ellen noticing another little change. Her husband never did shit like this Also in the car going there before we even get to the homeless shelter her skirt Sort of falls off her knee and he notices her legs. She notices him noticing her legs,
Chris:right?
Jerome:You know, that's a change. She'll say later that he he stopped looking years ago. So she's noticing little changes Okay, Dave bonds with Dwayne afterward after the The homeless shelter scene. And while he's doing that, Bob vetoes the bill. Yeah. So Forging the name of the president. Forging the name, right. And, and he vetoes the bill. Because after all, why would he want to save a homeless shelter? He, they wanted to kill it from the first, the first two minutes of the movie, the president wanted to kill this bill. What? I was just going to say,
Chris:there's some, We're not going to get into politics, but there's some strikingly similar things to what conspiracy theorists today would say has been going on in the current White House. Other people pulling the strings and running the show. If
Jerome:you think that Is evident of what's going on today? Wait till we get to the campaign. Ha, no! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! That one has got today's politics wreaked all over it. Alright, so anyway okay. Damn, where did I leave off now? Alright, so yeah, so he vetoes the bill, right? This is another moment where Ellen visibly notices a difference in her husband when she goes to yell at him in the bathroom. He's in the shower. Naked. She demands he turn around and when he turns around, she kind of like looks at his dick. Like, like it breaks her concentration. But they never say why, in fact later No,
Chris:they do, they do say why.
Jerome:No, no, no, later he says, when, when we'll get to it. Well, they allude
Chris:to him having an erection. Cause she said, er, something, it happens, you know.
Jerome:I, no, I think, well, what, what confused me is later. When after she finds out he says was it the shower is that when you knew and she said no
Chris:And she says it
Jerome:was something else In fact, she says it was the limo where he looked at her legs So so I think she's not alluding that there was any difference, but the fact that they literally show her breaking her concentration It makes you wonder.
Chris:Yeah, was
Jerome:he erect or did he just have a bigger dick?
Chris:Well, she act there's a line though that that I know that that's the the thing but There's a line where I think she says it happens like and I took that as oh, he's he's getting larger
Jerome:I don't remember her saying that
Chris:we'll have to go back and look. All right, gotta watch it again Anyway, and unfortunately, I didn't buy it so I can't just look it up right now
Jerome:Alright, so another element of Promise of the Premise of the, Can the Little Guy Make a Difference? When Dave tells Dwayne to call Bob and Alan, Dwayne says, It's 1030 at night. Dave looks at him, like he just gives him a look, right?
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:And Dwayne says, Okay. And he goes to call. So again, he's still not the president. Right. He's just a guy. Right. But now even Dwayne is taking orders from him.
Chris:So this,
Jerome:Culminates in a testy scene with Bob and Dave where Bob tells him if he can cut 650 million from the federal budget, he can keep his lousy homeless shelter. And before he leaves, he also sends him a very pointed note, don't you ever send for me again. So, it's a beautiful sequence because the emotional tug of war is there. One scene he's delivering the theme with the magic trick to the kid, and the next scene, Bob swats him back down to reality, right? Like, when he says, don't ever send for me again, he's letting him know you're a nobody. Yeah, right. You're not the president. So, so that's that push and pull of emotion that Dave's going through some scenes. He feels empowered other scenes. He feels dwarfed mostly by Bob, but he feels dwarfed. So then in the next scene, Dave pulls that emotional shift right back as we get to the midpoint scene after meeting with Murray at the 55 minute mark, Dave comes up with a way to trim 650 million from the budget in order to keep the homeless shelter. Talk about the theme of the little guy that can make a difference. I mean, like,
Chris:right,
Jerome:this is what I meant earlier about how the beats are very clean in this. This is clearly accomplishing the tangible goal.
Chris:It's a great screenplay.
Jerome:Yeah. Nailing it. Again, nominated for an Oscar. So the tangible goal is what Dave wants. He wants to help, and he achieves that at the midpoint. But as we all know, it's a false victory, because more shit's gonna steamroll down afterwards. More on this scene later, but I don't wanna get into it right now, I'll get into it a little bit later. Alright, bad guys closing in immediately after Bob is pissed and Alan puts him on notice. I like that scene too. Bob's like, you know, I'll, I'll have him sent to prison and I'll lock him up forever and then Alan goes, then we'll all go to jail together. Yeah. You know, and that stops Bob in his tracks. He realizes like, what the fuck is, oh, you're going to roll on me. And basically that's what Alan's telling him. You talk, I'll talk. Right. All right. Ellen discovers Dave is not the president. And while some consider this an all is lost moment, it's not. I, I feel that some people would consider this the all is lost moment because it changes the direction of the story. But I just think it's yet another beat. I don't think I think Ellen is the B story. And her goal is to drive Dave to his spiritual goal. Yeah. So she's gonna have to know eventually. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I agree with
Chris:you on that.
Jerome:I know what the all
Chris:is lost is.
Jerome:Yeah. Yeah. So this is just a, this is just a blip in sort of the, the bad guys closing in another promise to the premise. Dave explains to Ellen. I never wanted to hurt anybody. The fact, in fact, I thought I was helping. He's basically saying right there, the gold goal from the whole, the whole time. Ellen sees her husband, knows he's gonna die, and she wants to leave. Dave talks her into leaving together, but while they're out having a sandwich, there's the payoff. He makes her his famous sandwich. From earlier, the one he had with Dwayne. Yep. Oddly enough, if you notice, Dwayne doesn't eat the sandwich that Dave makes him. He makes him his famous sandwich, and it just sits there in front of him. He doesn't eat it. But Ellen does. All right. So, and that's also kind of metaphorical too, if you think about it, like, cause in the scene with Dwayne, he's pitching to him. I'm the president now, kind of, so you should step in front of a bullet for me too, right? Dwayne doesn't eat the sandwich. He's making a statement there. You're not the president. I'm not eating what you're serving. But Ellen, when he starts talking to Ellen about things that he wanted to do and that he wanted to help, she's eating the sandwich. It's almost like a metaphor of, I am, I'm giving you my spiel and you're eating it. Yeah, sure. That's actually,
Chris:I didn't consider that. Yeah.
Jerome:Yeah, the sandwich is important.
Chris:Yeah, that works.
Jerome:So so she fulfills the B story role around the one hour, ten minute mark when she asks Dave if he really was the president, what would he do? And as a temp agency manager, he immediately thinks of a job proposal, right? So both, they both decide to go back to the White House. Ellen keeps the secret while Dave fires Bob. And the emotional shift is back. The little guy can make a difference. Dave goes public in the press conference about Bob's resignation and lays out his jobs bill. Ironically, which I think is It's clear that they make Bill Mitchell's administration sort of right wing as the ensuing montage is all the Republican allies are condemning it. And all the Democrats are like, oh, this is a great plan. Like, you know, this is a plan I even came up with, you know what I mean? So and if you, if you really, I don't know if they actually ever say it. But it's obvious to me in that scene. And also Ben Stein shows up in a cameo to Bob Alexander's get together and Ben Stein's Republican. He's always been. So he's a friend of the administration. It kind of hints that they're Republicans. Sure. Okay. At the 1 hour 24 minute mark, we meet the vice president, Nance, and find that he's not insane, because they told him earlier he was insane. But he's a rather nice, straight up guy. Alright, all is lost. Let me see if you had the same one I did. I have all is lost, 1 hour 27 minutes, Bob has a press conference laying out all the illegal dealings that Bill Mitchell made, and Dave realizes these accusations are true. It's a great scene where he's like, I can't believe it, now he's making up lies about me and Alan's all No, he's not. And he's like, what? I did that. I did all those things. He's like, well, you didn't. Bill Mitchell did. Right. So falling back on the little guy can make a difference Dave feels lost that Washington may be too much for him He is perhaps the little guy. He's seeing the Washington machine getting ready to crush him, right? So again, he's not done the emotional tug of war is still going Dark Night of the Soul. During this time, Nance is invited to sit and talk with Dave who asks him who asks him how he got started. Nance tells him this story about how he was a shoe salesman, and he had aspirations to run for city council. Promise of the premise, the little guy can make a difference. This is also gonna pay off later. When he asks Dave how he got started, he foreshadows the ending by saying Oh, my story is kind of similar to yours. Keep that in mind because that's going to pay off later. All right, political allies want him to shelf the jobs plan until the scandal blows over, but Dave won't. Dave is sticking to his guns. Again, little guy can make a difference. A and B stories collide as after he meets with Nance and Ellen again. Break into three. Dave calls for an emergency joint session of Congress to discuss the accusations. Five point finale. Here we go. Gathering the team. One hour, 33 minutes. Dave, Alan, and Dwayne all have the plan. Execution of the plan. Dave acknowledges the charges in Congress in this session, the Congress session, and he owns them. He takes responsibility for all of them, but he also implicates Bob in the process. This is the scene where Bob has all his friends over and they're watching on TV and they have a Bob Alexander for president sign. Ben Stein shows up. It's all great. Until he implicates a Bob and then the next shot everybody's gone and Bob's sitting by himself and he's holding the Bob Alexander for president sign. I love that
Chris:so much. Yeah.
Jerome:High tower surprise. The president appears to have another stroke. Only this one is the real one. Since the audience was not shown the plan in advance. There is probably a moment I know there was for me where, I mean, of course I was 18 years old. I was just a kid, but when he starts to have these spells, I'm like, Holy shit. What's his. And then it occurred to me like, Oh, I see that this is where they're going to do the switcheroo. Yeah. Okay. So, all right, dig down deep. First lady gets up from her seat. This is another indication that it was all part of the plan because Ellen isn't scared at all. When she sees them pass out in front of Congress, she just gets up and puts her jacket on, you know what I mean? Like it's time to go. So so yeah, so she gets up. She's rather uninterested in the events that are just transpired it's because she's in on it. She puts on her jacket, grabs her things, and goes. Execution of the new plan. Duane has switched the bodies, and the real president is being medically worked on while Dave is in the passenger seat of the ambulance. Dwayne gives him this is probably my favorite scene of the whole movie. And it's a, it's a, remember the setup and payoff from the sandwich scene? Yeah. This is Dwayne's payoff. Where, you know, he tells him, he goes you know, Is it far from here? Do you need a ride? And he's like, no, I can walk. And before he leaves, they shake hands and Dwayne stops and says, Dave, I'd have taken a bullet for you. Mm hmm. That's a great scene. Yeah, that's a great payoff, yeah. Yeah, that's a great payoff there. So resolution. Media reaction to the death of Bill Mitchell and the swearing in of VP Nance. And here's the other payoff, the main one. Dave decides to run for City council, just like the vice president, Nance and how he got started. Closing image, book end to the opening big picture. Instead of big Washington scenery, we're in a little office and nowhere USA where a little guy, the little engine that could is running for city council.
Chris:A little guy that looks like the former president.
Jerome:Yeah. It looks a lot like the former president, David cheese, his spiritual goal. not just to help. So that's where I think the goals come in. The tangible goal, what he wanted from the beginning was to help his spiritual goal, which he did not know he needed was that he was actually going to run for office and be a political figure.
Chris:Something. So I was going to say one thing, but I'll say two now. So the, the scene at the end where Mrs. President Sigourney Weaver walks into his, You know, his city council campaign headquarters. Yeah,
Jerome:his little office there. Yeah,
Chris:I love that scene because it's funny because they kiss in his office and everyone's watching. Yeah. And it's like, I'm thinking to myself, okay, realistically, the conspiracy theorists would be going insane if this happened. And Oliver Stone's already on the case. Yeah, because he's in the movie, right, right. Now, now
Jerome:I wouldn't say that currently. Our last two presidents had very visible first ladies, but the two administrations before that. Oh, yeah, did Michelle Obama, right? So so this would be the case of let's say you were in an office and you saw Michelle Obama come in and make out with An Obama impersonator that looks exactly that looks exactly like him Not long after the real Obama died exactly Right? Like, that would be weird.
Chris:So, they, they, they removed the suspension of dispolice for me, for me in that scene. Yeah, and, well,
Jerome:and, and Exactly. Who's to say people would be like, She killed him. She killed her husband. Because she wants to fuck the impersonator. Right? So yeah, they probably, well, Alright, there's a couple things I want to get to. That was one of them. So alright, trivia. A couple of trivia points here. Sigourney Weaver's hair is shorter than she normally has it because she shaved her head in her previous movie, Alien 3, which came out a year before. Wow. Another fun little trivia tidbit here. Both former presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are fans of the movie. Bill gave screenwriter Gary Ross a signed copy of the script where he wrote on the front, funny, often accurate lampooning of politics. Obama later told Kevin Kline, quote, I love watching the movie when I'm depressed because you made the job of the president look so fun and so easy. So, okay, we're going to get to, I have two possible script issues. And it, one of them wasn't even what you just mentioned. So we'll call that three.
Chris:Okay.
Jerome:Yes, I probably wouldn't have had everyone see them kiss at the end. Yeah. You know what I mean? Now I get that they try to sell it by her coming in somewhat disguised. She's wearing a ball cap. I mean, it's really a
Chris:romantic. Comedies pay off to see that, to have that scene. I get it.
Jerome:Hang on, I needed my drink of scotch for this one. Alright, because I like this movie so much, I gotta tell you this next segment's gonna pain me. Oh. I have two script problems.
Chris:Okay.
Jerome:Okay? Alright, so despite being nominated for the Oscar this script does break a major rule. One colossal rule that I hate. Normally cannot stand. I accepted it in this movie because I like it. But it's the concept of You should never have luck go your way. Bad luck that presents obstacles for your characters are always good. The example we've always used in the past, Apollo 13, right? Like bad thing after bad thing after bad thing happens, but we accept it because it's their obstacles all the way until their moment. They're about to reenter the Earth's atmosphere. They tell Gene Gene Kranz, who's played by Ed Harris, they're like the landing site, there's a typhoon warning.
Chris:Right.
Jerome:Like, and they say, it might miss them, and Ed Harris goes, Yeah, only if their luck changes, right? Right. Like, so, but that's good, that works for screenwriting. The bad example is when good luck helps your characters. out of a problem. It's a sign to me of bad writing where they don't know how to do, get out of something. So they just use luck. I'll give you two examples. I've mentioned the Thor one in the past in the Marvel movie, Thor, he's in a house after he falls to earth. He's in a hospital, but he escapes, right? Because he wakes up and he's Thor and he's like, What the hell am I doing here? So he breaks out of the hospital. Natalie Portman and her friends are trying to find him, so they go to the hospital, but he's escaped.
Chris:Right.
Jerome:So he's not there. How are they gonna find him? Well, let's just pop the car in reverse and, Oh, lo and behold, we hit him.
Chris:Yeah, right.
Jerome:He happened to be walking behind the car at the moment they popped it in reverse. How fucking lucky was that? I mean, they never would have found them otherwise, right? It's
Chris:Marvel. You're there to watch a Marvel movie.
Jerome:You're part of the problem. You're part of the problem. Alright, another example, and I just thought of this one recently, and I wanted to add it in here. In Twins, it's another perfect example. The Arnold Schwarzenegger, Danny DeVito movie. Now, before you say Who gives a shit? It's not like that's the godfather or anything. True. It's just twins. It's a funny little comedy, whatever. But it's got a perfect one of these rule breaks. Here's what happens. So, Arnold Schwarzenegger was in the movie he's like born and raised on a island, right? A tropical island somewhere. He goes to the States to find his long lost brother, Danny DeVito. He has no idea where to find him. He could be anywhere. He only knows the orphanage that he grew up in, that's it. So he goes to the orphanage, and he asks the nun, Where is he? And the nun says, Ugh, a man like him, he'd only be in jail. Check there first. He gets arrested and put in jail the day before that happens. That's
Chris:hilarious.
Jerome:So when he goes to the jail cell, what do you fucking know? Danny DeVito's in jail. If he hadn't gotten arrested for, by the way, get this, unpaid parking tickets. He never, that movie never happens,
Chris:right? Because
Jerome:how would he ever find them? It's a crazy
Chris:premise to begin
Jerome:with. Well, it's a silly premise to begin with, but they used luck for those two to get hooked up together. Right. Right. So it happens in this movie, the midpoint scene where he has the, all the cabinet members in there and he trims the 650 million from the budget.
Chris:Right.
Jerome:If the media and the cameras aren't there, That scene doesn't work.
Chris:Yeah, right, cause they felt the pressure, right? Right, that's
Jerome:the only reason why they agreed is cause all the cameras there, even Bob! Bob stands up twice to try to stop him but then the cameras are all taking pictures and he's like nevermind, nothing. And he sits down, if those cameras weren't there Bob gets up and says to all the cabinet members everybody leave, clear the room, get out. And then he would fucking have his way with Dave, right? He'd be like what the fuck do you think you're doing? Right? Right. So, but because the media is there, he can't do it. Now, they open the scene with Bob saying to Alan, What's with all the cameras? And Alan goes, Oh, it's the 100th session or meeting or whatever. I thought it'd be a nice touch. And, as if that's supposed to explain it. That's still luck. That's still luck. Because they have no idea what Dave is about to drop on them.
Chris:But part of the story was that Dave called the media to be there.
Jerome:No, not that scene. He calls the media another time. He only meets with Murray the scene before to trim 650 million from the budget. The next scene, the cameras are already there.
Chris:Oh, it doesn't even say, yeah.
Jerome:Right, he calls the emergency meeting later when he fires Bob. He didn't call this one.
Chris:Hmm.
Jerome:So,
Chris:I remember, for some reason I thought he did. I thought he called, like, he called the budget meeting, and when he did, he requested the media. I thought. Nah, I
Jerome:don't think so. So we'd have to re watch
Chris:that scene too. I,
Jerome:no, because Alan even says, Alan doesn't say Dave wanted it or Dave called for it. He says, I thought it would be a nice touch. It's the 100th meeting. Right? Or whatever it was. Who said that? Alan says that. To Bob.
Chris:Oh, so Alan would have requested the media.
Jerome:Right. So it doesn't work. It's luck, but here's how you could have fixed it. Because I like to rewrite movies while we do these podcasts, apparently. Even Oscar winning or Oscar nominated screenplays. They could have fixed it just like you said. They could have had a snippet of a scene earlier. Like maybe after Murray leaves and he walks Murray to his car. Maybe he stops in on Alan and he says, Hey are we still doing that budget thing tomorrow? And Alan could have been like, yeah, and you know, oddly 100th meeting. Dave could have said something like, Oh, that's nice. Have the media there. That would be a nice touch. You know what I mean? It should have been Dave's idea. Or,
Chris:or that would have worked.
Jerome:Or they hint that Alan was in on it the whole time. Yeah. That, that,
Chris:yeah. If Alan's already his number two and he's the good guy, his number three,
Jerome:he's the good guy of the two, right? Because Bob's the bad guy. So if, if he had told Alan, This is what I want to do. And Alan said, you know, great. Obviously you don't want to show that, but you could have shown later that Alan was in on it.
Chris:Right.
Jerome:Right. So that's my biggest problem is the use of luck in that scene. My other problem. Which is a minor one. This is a minor one, but it still bothered me when I was rewatching it for this podcast. Alan claims that putting the first Liberty scandal on Nance was Bob's idea. It wasn't, it was his. Now Bob's plan from the beginning, he even says we dig up some dirt on the vice president, force him to resign and then we have Dave nominate me for vice president. So it is Bob's plan.
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:But the first Liberty scandal. That's on Alan. Alan tells him when Bob comes in, he goes, Hey, remember that first Liberty scandal? He goes, yeah. He goes, I just dumped it all on Nance. Oh, you're right. And Bob's like, oh, that's a great idea. So it was Alan that did it. And Alan owns none of that at the end. He says from the beginning, oh, it's all Bob's idea. It's Bob's idea. This is what Bob wanted. So I didn't like that. Because if Alan is the good guy, he should have either A, owned up to it. They could have kept him clean. Or B, right, not having his idea at all. It could have been Bob's. Bob could have walked into his office that day and said, Remember First Liberty? How about we put that on? And why'd they do it?
Chris:Because they already had a bad guy. Why not just make him the bad guy?
Jerome:Yeah, exactly. Just put it on Bob. So those are the two things, and of course the kissing at the end. I probably wouldn't have sh I get it's a romantic comedy, so they wanted to have that kiss at the end, but they didn't need to have everybody in the office.
Chris:That
Jerome:to me raises a lot of questions. So, those three things, but that's it. And maybe that's the difference between it being nominated for the Oscar and not winning the Oscar. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Of course, nobody's beaten the piano that year. That was an amazing screenplay. So so that wouldn't have made the difference. But anyway I love this movie. Yeah, me too. So I was willing to forgive those little three blips. But again, for all you writers out there. Do not use luck to get out of a problem. It might cost you an Oscar. Everything has a reason. Gary Ross did not win the Oscar because of that scene, I guarantee it. But, but the script was still good enough to get nominated. Alright, final thoughts?
Chris:Just, I loved it, man. It's timely. Good movie to watch right now. So, that's it. Alright. So. What's the next movie?
Jerome:The campaign! The next political movie we chose. Hold on, hold on. I'm gonna need another
Chris:drink.
Jerome:Yeah, I gotta, you know what? Let's pause for station identification. Because I also have to drink my scotch for this one.
Chris:This movie I don't know, man. My whiskey, There's so much So here's the thing. Here's my, my deal with it.
Jerome:I think I know what you didn't like about it. It's
Chris:just the, the junior high humor. Yep, I was gonna say, you didn't like the crudity. It's I mean, I get, you can be crude and funny. I get that. And sometimes it requires Airplane is
Jerome:crude and funny.
Chris:Exactly, but this was just like, it was like, it was like 6th grade humor. Yeah, it was. It wasn't that funny to me, I don't know.
Jerome:There were a couple, I'm gonna tell you right off the bat, cause I don't even mention her in my beats at all. That's how insignificant I think the part was. The, the, the joke about the maid and they make her speak in a old black accent, because the old rich guy, that joke just fell flat for me. It just wasn't funny. Well, I
Chris:actually laughed at her The one joke I thought was not that funny is the one joke you like no I loved it cuz she was like she just I don't know. I mean, she's like yeah, this is bullshit
Jerome:Yeah, but like when she like overdoes it oh, yeah, you know it was stupid but the southern black, you know, I loved her
Chris:Yeah, the sass in her attitude was
Jerome:nice, but the joke of her having to do that, like, I don't know, I didn't think it was funny. But anyway, okay. Alright, specs. 2012, directed by Jay Roach, written by Chris Henchey Sean Harwell and Adam McKay. Running time of 1 hour 25 minutes, even shorter. And a budget of 95 million. It cost 95 million. It's because of how many names they
Chris:had.
Jerome:So, it was re It was, oh, by the way. Because the movie, An Hour and 25 Minutes, that's 85 minutes, right, of screen time. That means that they spent more than a million dollars per minute. That's insane. Okay, so it was released on August 10th, 2012 and made about 105 million worldwide. So it did clear its budget. Barely, but it cleared it. Right. It was good for 69th place that year. This is why I said that the audience members agreed with you, Chris, because not that many people went to see this movie. Now, back in the day, 100 million dollars, that was a blockbuster. But in 2012, it's
Chris:69th place. And, you know what? I'm looking through the cast right now. Every one of these people would be like, yeah, that movie was kind of stupid, but you think I care? How much do each of these people get paid?
Jerome:A million dollars a person? You know what the funny thing is, there's a movie called Your Highness. With Academy Award nominee, James Franco, Academy Award winner, Natalie Portman. And, you know, and, and they look back on that movie and they're like, we did that for fun. So we could smoke pot and get high and drink at Danny McBride. You know, we did it. Can you imagine the
Chris:partying that went on on this set? Yeah.
Jerome:Yeah. So they're like, so that's what these guys were probably thinking.
Chris:We're like,
Jerome:let's do this
Chris:movie just for fun. Wait, let me get this straight. You're going to pay me? To have a party with these people.
Jerome:Yeah, exactly,
Chris:exactly.
Jerome:So again, 69th place that year. Falling behind films like Chronicle, Zero Dark Thirty, and Paranormal Activity 4. And those are just like in the 60s, like I didn't mention the top movies. Yeah. But it did beat out This is 40, the Red Dawn remake, and get this, the Phantom Menace 2012 3D re release.
Chris:Oh boy, I mean, I didn't go see either of those two movies, so.
Jerome:All right, so top five movies of 2012 though in ascending order. Number five. Ice Age, continental drift, $877 million worldwide. Number four, the Hobbit. An unexpected journey at 1.01. $7 billion with a B. Number three, the dark night rises $1.084 billion. Wow. The number two movie of 2012 was Skyfall 1.1 billion. And can you guess the number one movie of 2012 with $1.5 billion Worldwide? Was it Avatar? No, but it does start with an A and a V. Really? You got the first two letters, right?
Chris:What the hell is it? I'll give you a hint. I can't think of Marvel. Marvel. Oh, Avenger. Yeah. The Avengers. The
Jerome:Avengers. Which one? One. The Avengers.
Chris:Oh, it was the first?
Jerome:The first that they called The Avengers. Prior to that, there were all the individual stories. Iron Man, Thor, The
Chris:Legend. And every, for years, just about every Avenger movie raked in that kind of money. That was
Jerome:nuts. So, The Avengers was the first one where they were all together. And that was 1. 5 billion. Now, funny note here. Okay. Not one fully original screenplay and that list, all are either based on some sort of previously released source material or a sequel of some kind. You have to go all the way down to the 12th place movie for that year before you get to an original screenplay. And it's Seth MacFarlane's Ted, the talking teddy bear was the 12th highest grossing film that year. And that's
Chris:why so many people complain about. Not seeing original ideas. Well, they found out how to make money. I mean, think about it. They just said, we got cash cows here to milk.
Jerome:But, here's the point I would make. Seth MacFarlane's Ted? That finished 12th place? 549 million dollars worldwide. Still a pretty god damn good hit. Yeah, no kidding. Right? And that's just talking.
Chris:And that's why they've had sequels.
Jerome:Yeah, and that's a talking teddy bear. So alright, the campaign, let's get back on track here. The campaign performed poorly. And like, you know, like you said, it's kind of shocking considering the leads that are in it. And the fact that it was topical. 2012 was an election year, just like this year. And it came out in August, mere months before the election. So, with that cast and that timing, You know, it's surprising that it, it, I keep saying it didn't do well, it still made a hundred million dollars, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It was 69th on the worldwide list that year. 2012 was of course, Obama's reelection. It received zero Academy Award nominations. Nor any other nominations of any sort, except it did win Theodore Shapiro the BMI Film Music Award for Best Film Music. I have no idea what the criteria was for that award. Right. Alright, it stars Will Ferrell as Cam Brady. By the way, before we continue How fucking great is that? In 2012, the two biggest names in the NFL, which was the biggest sport in the time and still is, was Cam Newton and Tom Brady. Right. So they named this guy Cam Brady. How fucking perfect is that? Yeah. Zach Galifianakis is Marty Huggins. Does that not look like somebody you wanna just give a hug to? Like, the names are perfect! Cam Brady and Marty Huggins. Jason Sudeikis also stars as Mitch. Dylan McDermott as Tim Watley, not the one from Seinfeld. Catherine Alenasa as Rose Brady, Sarah Baker as Mitzi Huggins, and special appearances by John Lithgow as Glenn Motch, Dan Aykroyd as Wade Motch, and Brian Cox as Raymond Huggins. Alright, when did you first see this movie?
Chris:Yesterday? Yeah, yesterday. I was like, when did I watch it? That was yesterday.
Jerome:Really? You avoided it for twelve years?
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:Yep.
Chris:Hungover from a lion's win.
Jerome:Yeah, see, that didn't help either. You were sober, you were hungover. This isn't the movie to watch when you're sober. Well, I wasn't really
Chris:hungover. I didn't drink much Sunday. But, I was up late. It was like, you know, I got three hours sleep because it was a prime time game.
Jerome:You were in a sleep hangover.
Chris:Yeah, so, but yeah, three hours sleep and I'm watching this movie.
Jerome:So, I actually Instead of taking a nap. I actually did see this movie in the theater. I actually paid to see it. And I will say You're the problem. I am the problem, and I'll tell you what, sir, I laughed a lot of times. I bet. Because that sophomore humor, that crude shit, dude had me rolling. No, I called it junior high
Chris:humor, son. Sorry.
Jerome:Junior high, even worse than sophomore. Alright. Alright, you're done pouring your urine there. Log me. Alright.
Chris:An incumbent representative embroiled in personal scandal faces a no holds barred challenge from a native, er, sorry.
Jerome:From a native?
Chris:I gotta, I gotta read the whole thing over now. I'm cutting all that out. Alright. It's naive, but it looked like native.
Jerome:I think you should keep it in. Okay.
Chris:Faces a no holds barred challenge from a naive newcomer funded by two unscrupulous billionaire lobbyist lobbyist brothers. That was, I just totally, totally bombed it on native. Anyways,
Jerome:all right, well actually, all jokes aside it was actually realistic because it takes place in North Carolina and Zach Galifianakis is from North Carolina. He's a native. Technically, he is a native. All right. We have the beats! Opening image, Mitch prepping Cam for a speech. This is the intro to Cam Brady, congressman from North Carolina, and his campaign advisor Mitch, played by Jason Sudeikis. Set up. The first few minutes of the film, we set up Cam's speeches throughout a montage that he is the incumbent representative. Theme stated, it comes early. No pun intended. As at the three minute mark, Cam is having sex with his mistress Shana in an outhouse. She says to him, quote, Cam, it smells horrible in here. To which he replies, It's not that bad once you get used to it. To me, that's the theme. That's the theme of the movie, because it carries through the film of politics, right? Politics in Washington is an outhouse, right? It stinks, it's shitty, but you get used to it once you're in there, right? That's the corruption in our nation's capital. All right, instead of a four point push, this movie, we have a five point push. Are you ready? Inciting incident. At the four minute mark, Cam's polling numbers are plummeting due to a leaked inappropriate phone call he made, which is kind of funny. That scene where he calls the wrong number and he leaves a voicemail. He thought he was calling his mistress. Yeah, he called like some super religious family that's trying to have dinner.
Chris:Yeah, I did laugh at that part It was so bad. It was so bad. I was like, oh my god
Jerome:Here we go It's lightsaber time. All right. All right. Here we go. We're gonna leave up. Okay, so this is the first debate debate part one seven minutes in we're motch brothers and their desire to have cam replaced in the district of which he represents. More set up here as they fixate on Marty Huggins, the son of longtime political ally. What is his name? Raymond Huggins. Marty goes to see his dad who tells him he's gonna run for office and challenge Cam for the seat. Catalyst, 15 minutes in. Marty crashes Cam's formal declaration by announcing in court he is running for the seat. Debate begins, 18 minutes in. This is the second debate actually, this is debate part two. 18 minutes in, after a quick montage of media reaction we get a sense of how the wives and families are handling this. Rose, Cam's wife, is unhappy and she seems pissed at Cam, while the Huggins family, led by Mitzi, is all happy and very supportive of Marty. So, the formal brunch where the opponents meet. This kicks off into the second act because once this happens, the before world for each of them is over. And they're now fully engrossed in a campaign. A dirty one. A particular funny note is when Cam is giving his speech about keeping things civil and keeping things clean, he ends his speech with, Support the troops. Like, he just throws that in there. And I love that because, is that not a political thing where like, you know, you say this speech speech could have anything to do with nothing, but as long as you end it with support the troops, you get everybody
Chris:clapping. That's your drop the mic. That's
Jerome:exactly. That's your drop the mic moment. So and of course he talks about being civil and having a civil companion campaign. And then he runs this ad. He runs this video for everyone. Let's meet Marty Huggins. And he shows this video that suggests he's communist, and his dogs are communist. Um, So, but when okay, I have to say this though, as much as we rank on this movie. Of all the movies we've done, I don't know if there's a clearer jump into Act 2. This is one of the clearer jumps to Act 2. At the 22 minute mark, right after that video is over, and a very hurt and crushed Marty Huggins looks at Cam as if like, Why'd you just do that? Fucking Will Ferrell looks at him and goes Welcome to the fuckin show. Like, that's, that, cause then, I mean, you feel it, like, the second that's it, that's it, we're in Act 2 now, you know what I mean? Like, that is the clearest break from Act 1 to Act 2 that we might have seen in a while. Alright, B story, at 23 minutes, exactly one minute later, what always, we always say a half hour, but it's really at the beginning of the second act. What happens, the B story, Tim Watley is introduced as Marty's campaign manager, whose job is to make sure Marty, quote unquote, doesn't suck. Tim Watley serves the B story because he's going to drive both of the leads to their spiritual goal. All right, fun and games. Now in the thick of the campaign, we have our first candidate debate on live TV. A Marty's inability to talk trash. I can't even get this off of me, this
Chris:is
Jerome:so funny. So he's like, that's your trash talking? He's like, this is how I trash talk. He says, what's the difference between your mom and a wash machine? When I dump a load in a wash machine, it doesn't follow me around for three weeks. God. So re watching this movie for the podcast. I had to pause it because I laughed as hard this time as I did the first time I saw it. Because I think I had forgotten that joke, but God, that's so great.
Chris:Once again, a sixth grader wrote that one. Yes!
Jerome:And I laughed my ass off. Such a great line. That's great trash talk. That's a good mom joke. Alright, and it clearly hurts Marty's feelings, like that's the other funny part is it really crushes him. But he is able to land his Staple campaign slogan in that scene bring your broom because it's a mess which is also a play on the theme Alright, so this is immediately followed by the baby punch scene, which is another thing that I'd never seen in a movie until this day. I remember when I saw Pet Sematary in the theater and the semi runs over the kid, I remember thinking, That's the first time I've ever seen that. You don't kill kids in movies. Like, you don't show that.
Chris:Well, tell that to Stephen King.
Jerome:Exactly. But then I felt the same thing when I saw this movie for the first time in the theater. I'm like, they just punched a kid. They punched a baby. Like like, that's hilarious, dude. Then we go into a montage of cams. Cams, cams. Into the second debate, Marty corners Cam by asking him to recite the Lord's And when Cam agrees, he starts with, at this time, I'd like the media to turn off any recording devices. Could you imagine if a politician said that during a live debate? Alright, so this of course sets up, oh and by the way, I don't want to bury the joke of the story there, but he can't do it, right? He's trying to recite the Lord's Prayer. It's kind of like, again, I don't want to get too much into real politics, but when those guys ask Trump what his favorite But line of the Bible was, and he's all, he's all, it's very personal. I don't want to talk about
Chris:it.
Jerome:It's almost the same
Chris:thing,
Jerome:but yeah, so he can't do the Lord's prayer and his Mitch, his campaign advisor is trying to like do the charades. Actually. That's almost
Chris:exactly, that's like reality mimicking art because that came out a long time ago and this movie did, but seriously asking someone that claims to be a Christian, their favorite. Story in the Bible. I mean that leaves it wide open. That's a softball.
Jerome:Yeah, that shouldn't be too hard to answer Yeah, I can do
Chris:that. Also in this movie. I mean if you claim to be a Christian You should be able to recite the Lord's Prayer. I mean, yeah
Jerome:But he butchers it of course because he doesn't know it his version is hilarious but really really bad Okay, so So this, of course, sets off a new montage. By the way, this movie is filled with montages. Yeah. As they show the candidates taking on religion. Right? Right? Following that debate, they're both trying to take on religion. And like is it Cam that gets bit by the snake? Is that like a snake charmer? His arm gets bit. So after a stressful beginning to the campaign, the Huggins family decides to have a little slice of heaven night where they all just let loose and be themselves. Until Drunk Tim Watley comes in, and it's another one of my favorite scenes, where he comes in the middle of them dancing, and he says, What the fuck is going on here? And then moments later he says, Marty, I need you kicking Cam's balls in on a daily basis, and I come in here and find you playing hee haw with the fuckaround gang. I almost beat myself when I was in the theater, man. So like, yes, these Sophomore junior high jokes. Oh my god. When I was re watching this, this is, by the way, I've only seen this movie twice. In the theater in 2012, and two days ago for this podcast. So I was reminded of all the jokes that I laughed at when I was 12 years younger but man, oh god, some of them were pretty funny. So that brings us directly, and I mean almost in the same scene, to the midpoint scene. At the 43 minute mark, Marty commits to Tim, and lets him know that he's gonna take it seriously from here on out. Which alienates and pisses off Mitzi. Right. Just about the time this happens, Cam Jr. comes into Cam's office and tells him he's gonna run for class president. But, just like his dad, policy doesn't matter, he's gonna use lies, slander, and attack ads, and culture war issues, just like his dad does. This kinda upsets Cam a little bit. So, they're false victories for both. Marty and Tim seem to be on the path to win, but at the cost of losing his family. Cam appears to have the affection of his son, but at the cost of decency and righteousness. And the theme is rearing its ugly head again as the audience is being, you know, delivered this promise of the premise. Alright, bad guys closing in. Marty gets Cam drunk and then gets him pulled over in a hilarious drunk stop scene that's being recorded on the cop's dash cam.
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:We have the third debate now where Marty turns up the heat by bringing out Cam's second grade manifesto called Rainbowland. And calls it communist. And is followed by a dog punch which mirrors the baby punch only this time he hits a dog. So punching a baby wasn't bad enough. Okay, Rose then leaves Cam because he's losing. He's on the ropes in this campaign, by the way. This segment is like all Marty. And he hits his breaking point when he sees a Marty Huggins attack ad where he befriends Cam's son, Cam Jr. And gets him to call him dad in the attack ad. An enraged Cam declares, quote, you get my son to call you daddy? I fuck your wife. And Mitch goes, that's the deal? And he goes, that's the deal.
Chris:It's crazy.
Jerome:So Cam goes to see Mitzi and does in fact seduce her and records her having sex with him. Against Mitch's wishes, he intends to air the footage in his own attack ad. Once again, getting further and further away from any subs, you know, substantial policy issues, right? Again, the premise we're talking about, you know, how bad it gets in Washington, right? All is lost. A furious Mitch quits and now Cam is running his own campaign at the 59 minute mark. Likewise, in the next scene at 1 hour 1 minute, the Huggins family has it out over Mitzi's infidelity and she leaves her husband. So both candidates at this point have hit rock bottom. Right. This is a pretty clear. All is lost. Yeah. Dark night of the soul. Marty meets with the match brothers, but shoots down their proposal to turn the district over to China. The matches pull their support and shift Tim Watley over to cam, which leads us directly to break into three at the one hour, six minute mark. The new and improved cam Brady is now represented by Tim And he's going to take on Marty. Okay. Five point finale. Here we go. Gathering the team, the Huggins family reunites. All is forgiven. Execute execution of the plan. Marty turns out the matches to the public, exposing their ties to China. And he even says, quote, telling the truth feels good. He says, this is Marty's premise delivery. High tower surprise. Cam still wins, but the election was rigged. Big down Where have we heard that argument before? Dig down deep. Marty opens up to Cam about the jungle gym and the slide that scarred him physically for life. Cam realizes that honesty and integrity is what's needed in Washington, not the backstabbing lies and culture wars. And he reunites with Mitch. Execution of the new plan? Cam gives it all back and turns the election win over to Marty Huggins, effectively leaving the outhouse stink of politics behind him. This is Cam's preface delivery. So you see how they both met their spiritual goal in the same finale. Resolution, the Motch brothers are served a subpoena. Closing image, bookend to the opening image. Instead of Mitch prepping Cam for a speech, it's Cam prepping and building up Marty for his. Alright, notes on character. Tangible goal, to succeed at any cost, which both achieve at the midpoint. Spiritual goal, to shed the stink of political crap, the political outhouse as it were, a metaphor, behind and be a successful leader for the people. Alright, what do you think before I get into trivia?
Chris:Well, I already tipped my hand.
Jerome:I think I got you laughing though at a few of those jokes. Yeah, no, I mean, you know,
Chris:I mean, I was 12 once. So, it's, you know, I could find that humor still.
Jerome:So the 12 year old inside of you laughed at those jokes? Oh, hell yeah.
Chris:Yeah, it's just,
Jerome:the fuck around gang?
Chris:It's so over the top. I don't know, man. The fuck around
Jerome:gang.
Chris:I guess 12 year olds need movies, too.
Jerome:Alright, here we go. Alright, I'm not gonna ask you which movie was better. We already know who wins this matchup. Alright, trivia. When Tim Watley is trying to toughen up Marty, he's making him say lines spoken by Burt Reynolds? The episode that they're watching that he's pulling this from is a TV show called BL Striker, an old Burt Reynolds TV show. The funny thing is in the scene that they show, there's a young Michael Chiklis in the scene with him.
Chris:I thought that that scene was funny.
Jerome:Yeah. The Motch Brothers. Another part of trivia, the Motch Brothers are based on the real life Koch Brothers, who are major contributors to conservative policies. There's always that conspiracy theory that the Koch Brothers are like secretly running the world, you know? Like them and the Illuminati, you know? You always hear that shit. So the Motch Brothers were based on them. Zach Galifianakis real life uncle was an actual representative in North Carolina, but lost a 1972 Senate bid to Jesse Helms. In the movie, the campaign, the character of Marty's dad, Raymond Huggins, played by What's his face? Oh my god. Cox, Brian Cox. He is said to have been the campaign manager to Jesse Helms. So, little line in there for fun. Alright, anything before we get to six degrees?
Chris:No, please, let's get to six degrees. But
Jerome:wait, wait, wait, so, so for the audience, we did pose a question.
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:We posed the question. The question was, Are there any good politicians? So the answer is, If Kevin Kline existed as Dave, We would have one. But actually, Can you make an argument that Marty Huggins Ends up after he finds his spiritual goal, He becomes a politician. He becomes a good politician, right? Yeah. So okay, so the answer is, In the movie world, you can have good politicians. We haven't seen one in the real life world yet. As much as you love the presidents, either side of the aisle you are on, we don't pick sides on this show. We are inclusive to everybody. Nobody walks away clean out of Washington. Everybody's got some sort of outhouse stink on them.
Chris:On this show we don't take sides, but if you turn the mics off and meet us at the bar, we can Have a doozy of a conversation.
Jerome:Oh, yeah, see, my brother and I often disagree, which would make it fun if we did air an episode, because we would include everybody, because half the audience would side with me, and the other half would side with you. Yeah,
Chris:we'd probably have a better podcast, too.
Jerome:We might get more listeners. Alright, six degrees, what do you have for me?
Chris:Alright, so I, I literally had to go through these casts because there are some big names in both these movies. And, you know, I try, when we do the Six Degrees, I try to find two people that you might have a difficulty connecting within Six Degrees. So they, you know, can't be in a lot of popular movies or, you know, whatever, haven't done a lot of movies. So, I, I chose Frank Drank. Number one because of his name. Frank Drank. You know, it's happy hour. So I chose Frank Drank. He was a biker in the campaign. And Sarah Marshall. Who played Diane in Dave.
Jerome:So Diane in Dave, if I remember correctly, she's the secretary that when Murray comes to visit, he says, hey, can they rustle up from some fresh, fresh bratwurst, right? Yeah. She's the one that says, yeah, I think that can be arranged. So she takes their food order. That's her, right? Yeah, I think so. And Frank Drank is a biker. And it's got to be the scene where Cam is like trying to relate to all the, Is there bikers in like a bar? I can't remember where
Chris:he, there's it's, I, I, I saw it and it was like a,
Jerome:he's got a big beard, right? Yeah, he's got a long beard. It was like,
Chris:I don't even know if it was, I don't think he was on screen for 30 seconds.
Jerome:Okay. So it was a really
Chris:quick scene.
Jerome:All right. So Frank drank and it is a great name by the way, Frank, if you're listening I know you're not, but if you were great name. So Frank Drank was in the 2014 movie called Tell. With Robert Patrick of T2 fame. Robert Patrick was in a 1998 movie called Ambushed with Courtney B. Vance who was in the 1995 film Dangerous Minds with Sarah Marshall. Wow. Wait, what year was
Chris:the Sarah Marshall film?
Jerome:Dangerous Minds? Yeah, what year was that? Ninety five. Ninety
Chris:five.
Jerome:So, 95, 98, 2014. So, Frank Drank can connect to Sarah Marshall.
Chris:That's, and how many? Was it three?
Jerome:That was three. Yeah, that's
Chris:crazy. Now, now, wait, wait. Looking back, she did a lot of TV back in the 50s and 60s.
Jerome:They actually, Frank Dranks had a lot of TV too. I looked a lot of his, he had short films and, and, and television episodes. How, how
Chris:old was she? 'cause in the fifties she must Oh wow. Oh, she passed away in 2014. Wow. Two Sarah,
Jerome:two years after the campaign came out. Oh, Davis. She was in Davis.
Chris:She was older than I thought she was. 'cause she was, she must, she was 78 years old when the movie came out. 78 in 1993. She was in Dave. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. I don't know what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's dumb. I'm, I don't know. I'm, I'm thinking I'm thinking of
Jerome:Frank Drink. This is what champagne does to my brother. I'm sorry. I got the movie mixed up. Yeah. She was in Dave. She was in Dave.
Chris:Okay.
Jerome:But still, she was an older woman in Dave, so, and that
Chris:was 93. She was in an episode of Star Trek in 1967. A little more trivia. Anyways.
Jerome:Nice. Good job. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. I have a, I have a little, I have a little one for you here. Because I thought you would give me shit for Ambushed 1998, it's R rated. And it's one of those, like, straight to DVD things, but in IMDB it's listed as TV movie. Now, it can't be a TV movie because it was rated R. It actually was given an R rating by the Motion Picture Association of America, which means it technically cannot be a TV movie. But, knowing you, you always give me shit when I pick a movie, and you're just like, Nope, you can't use that, that's a TV movie.
Chris:To be honest, I wasn't checking.
Jerome:You didn't check, but if you did, I had a backup. Are you ready for the backup? Yeah, let's hear the backup. All right, the backup is in four, not three, but here's the backup. Frank Drank was in And They're Off, 2011. That's the name of the movie, And They're Off. With Martin Mull, who's in the 1983 Mr. Mom, with Michael Keaton, who is in the 1992 Batman Returns with Michelle Pfeiffer, who of course is in the 1995 Dangerous Minds with Sarah Martin. So is that four? So it's for if you lose, if you use theatrical releases only, actually, I don't even know if there and thereof, which was a Sean Astin movie, I don't even know if that was in the theaters, but it doesn't say TV movie at IMDb. Yeah,
Chris:that's crazy. Does to get the R rating, did it have to be?
Jerome:That's why I'm confused. That's the first time I've ever seen most of the time on IMDb. If it says TV movie, it says NR. I wonder if it was shown
Chris:on a screen somewhere and it just didn't get.
Jerome:Yeah, normally it'll say NR for no rating if it's a TV movie. Huh, interesting. But anyway, I gave you two just in case you gave me shit on the first one. All right, so we already answered the question we posed to the audience. How about the movie going question? Which movie was better?
Chris:I think we know. I think we know. I mean, you know what it depends on the crowd and what you're what you want I guess. Yeah, I guess if you're
Jerome:high and you're with all your friends.
Chris:Yeah, if you're getting baked with all your friends I mean the campaign is the obvious choice.
Jerome:Pop in the campaign. But if you want a good movie to watch with mom that you rented from Skip's video on Friday night in 1993 Dave is your movie. And Mom, by the way, mom loves this movie. Yeah. Mom loves Dave. Yeah. Yeah, so
Chris:Well, she'll enjoy this episode then. Yeah. I hope. I hope she
Jerome:does. So yeah if you guys haven't seen this movie, and we, of course, we just talked about the endings, you know the rules on this show. We talk endings because we do the beats. So listen to our podcast. After you've seen the movies, but if you haven't seen them, I would definitely recommend the campaign if you're going to get high and drunk with your friends and Dave, if you just want to watch a really good movie about politics, there's a few good political movies out there, you know, I always liked Oliver Stone has done some good ones. JFK and Nixon are good movies. The American President is a fun one, you know, Dave you know, there are some political movies that are really, really fun. I think Dave is, is, is a good one. So so yeah, what do you got? Close us out. Land the plane.
Chris:Well, I really don't have anything. I just want to to the, those listening right now, I'm guessing you're either an aspiring screenwriter or maybe you are one and you're, you're looking for entertaining tips and advice. Share this with one of your friends. And if you listen. If you made it this long, you're listening to us for a reason. So share it with someone that you think would also enjoy it.
Jerome:Now, did we, did we, Oh, I can't remember because we talked a lot before we actually hit record.
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:Did we mention on this show? About the Lions Sunday night victory.
Chris:I did allude to it being hung over.
Jerome:Okay. Okay. So just for those of you, cause I know in previous podcasts, we talked about the Lions and their almost Superbowl run last year. Today is September 10th and today is not only the first presidential debate with Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, but also two nights ago, well, I would say two nights ago was. of the game we watched, but this past weekend was week one of the NFL.
Chris:Yeah.
Jerome:NFL has kicked us. So by the time you hear this episode, which will probably be two months from now, this we're recording this two days after the lions on Sunday night had an overtime win against the LA Rams and their old quarterback. It was, it was
Chris:a fricking nail biter back and forth, even the best teams. And it was a war.
Jerome:And I think we outplayed them in the first half and they grossly outplayed us in the second half. And we just had the last four minutes of the game to force overtime and Those four
Chris:minutes were pure magic. And we
Jerome:never gave them the ball in overtime. They marched down,
Chris:what, 70 yards? And just ran the ball down their throat. Yeah, it was amazing. I watched the highlight replay yesterday. It's just worth watching. Look it up. I was upset on the replay that they put out, though. The Lions put out a replay. They didn't show like, some of the mistakes. That the Lions did, and I'm like, it's part of the story. You gotta show everything. Wait, some of the big, what do you mean just highlights? Well, in the The highlights. The highlights, yeah. They didn't show the, the big penalty. And we're going off on the, I might cut this out. No, we always throw a little sports in but they didn't, yeah, they didn't throw, they didn't show the penalty on Hutchson when he went for the legs on Stafford. Right. That was a big moment. That changed the, that shifted the energy. During did, did they show,
Jerome:Goff's Pick? Didn't he throw a pick too, or No? I don't
Chris:think they, I don't think they show that either. And not only didn't they show the penalty on, on, on Hutch. The they also didn't show the Rams taking the lead. I'm like, why didn't you show that? Oh, they didn't show the touchdown? They got him in the lead? No, they should've, and I was like, what the heck? So it goes from us Is this ballet
Jerome:sports? Is ballet sports being nice? No, the Lions
Chris:organization put it out. Oh, wow. It was their Facebook or whatever. I was like, wow, that sucks. So I need to look. Maybe, is there another one that ballet might put out?
Jerome:No, just go on YouTube. Go on YouTube and put Rams, Lions, Highlights, and they'll show you the whole thing. Yeah, I need to find it. Because they're unbiased. Watching
Chris:the recaps with the back and forth, you need to experience all that stuff, man. Yeah,
Jerome:yeah. So no, just YouTube, Lambs, Ryans Lambs? I just said Lambs, Ryans is what I said. That's what I said. Wham Brian's Lions Rams highlights and you will see the game in like 15 minutes. They put all the major plays. But I actually heard a sports analyst on TV today say that based on what the Lions did in overtime. He's like, I love Jared Goff, but I would throw the ball 10 times a game. I would run it 50 times a game. He's like, yeah, that dude was a
Chris:machine.
Jerome:He's like, we ran it down their throat. And if that's what we could do to anybody, I mean, every carry was
Chris:like 10 yards. Just dude, we're
Jerome:going to, we're going to be like Michigan, how the Wolverines were last year. Just run the ball, run the ball, run the ball. Stout offensive line, control the trenches, run the ball, win the game, control the clock.
Chris:This is our Super Bowl year! I feel it! I'm so excited. All right, love it. All right. All right. Look, for those of you who aren't Lions fans, you know where we've been.
Jerome:Yeah, we've been in the dumps our whole lives. You can hear the excitement in our voice. We meant to land this plane, but as we came in for the runway we're just coasting over the runway right now. All right, let's touchdown.
Chris:Yeah go support your local cinemas.
Jerome:Keep drinking and keep watching.