Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry we didn't stand apart? Does your? Hello everybody. Welcome back to Significant Lovers. We are your Co host. We are two cousins. My name is Mel. And I'm Kel. And yeah, this is a podcast all about relationships, whether it's in pop culture, modern day or historical couples or
anything in between. We're talking about, yeah, famous couples, their timeline, our thoughts on their relationships, and how they relate to us as humans in general. Yes, any couple is possible. There's infinite possibilities, really. And so today's episode, we're picking out where we left off with Bennifer a couple months ago.
If you haven't listened yet, we've covered Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck, their original relationship from the early 2000s, like 2001 was it till 2004, their broken engagement, you know, everything that happened with that. And then we also covered Ben Affleck and his marriage to Jennifer Gardner. Yes. Now we're talking about Ben Affleck with Jennifer Lopez when they reunited in recent history, and this is still a developing
story. Guys, we are recording this on September 16th and stuff is coming out day by day. So this episode won't come out for a couple weeks. So it's possible that more might come out after this is recorded. Hopefully nothing major, but this is everything that has happened since they're reunite, since they reunited, and the day that we're recording it. Crazy Trilogy. You could say. Yes, yeah.
When we could cover Jennifer Lopez and her other relationships in between as well 'cause there's a lot with that, but it just seems like the time to pick back up with these two 'cause they're giving us a lot to talk about right now. It's true. We've gotten messages from you guys saying we need to get on the microphone and talk about it, so we're doing it. It's time.
And I'm gonna give a little content warning because with most episodes, I feel like I try to be really nice and understanding towards the couples, you know, even some couples that have not been the best. But I feel so bad saying this with this couple. I had a hard time not being nice but just liking them at all. So. That might come across in this episode if you're a huge Bennifer shipper. I'm so sorry, but I'm I just gotta be honest about this
couple. I. I thought this was gonna be like a trigger warning, but just warning. We might not be that nice. But yeah, I mean, usually, usually I want to be as sympathetic as possible to people, even people that do bad things want mostly for modern day people, I feel just bad because like they could hear it or you know what I mean? Yeah. And even like historic people, sometimes you just like get attached to them.
But yeah, I we might be a little biased basically because when I heard about recent things about Bennifer, I was like, Oh my God, are you kidding me? Yeah. So. My take on them is either they are stupid or they think that we are stupid and we'll get more into that. But yeah, I find them pretty annoying. The three words that I would use to describe them are cringe, forced, and ridiculous. All of the green negative usually we have like the last
ones negative. I'm sorry, compliment sandwich, but yeah, my. Take on this couple is I do think that they're stuck in the early 2000s and that very traditional approach to celebrity and publicity. And I think that's all they know, maybe because that's the time period that they came up in. But it's really annoying because they're always complaining about the attention, but I think they're very obviously calling the paparazzi and doing things that they know will get
attention. It's just doing things that are representative of a bygone era that they started in. But it annoys me because it's like I said, as if they think that we're stupid. Like they're both trying to re energize their careers by resurrecting this relationship that fueled their stardom 20 years ago. And I find it honestly kind of sad because even though there are some positive articles about them and there are some hardcore shippers, it's not a believable story.
Like we see right through them, especially with Ben Affleck's face all the time and how miserable he looks. And just like we know too much about their own baggage for them to, like, sell us this great love story that they think they're selling, I guess. But where does it begin? So we're going back to April 2021. Jennifer Lopez and A Rod have officially announced their breakup a month after calling off their engagement.
Jlo and A Rod had been together for almost 4 years and the two of them were very, very public about their relationship and their blended family. A Rod had two daughters, Jlo has two twins, and they seemed like a pretty happy family together. I actually thought that her and A Rod like seemed to work together. They both were from New York. They both were Latino. They both Who? Who is a rod for our European listeners who might not know? Sorry, a Rod is a professional baseball player.
I would say he's actually like one of the last like celebrity baseball players that we've had in recent history. He's dated a lot of high profile people, but he's most known for playing on the New York Yankees. And yeah, Jlo's famously from New York. I thought that that seemed cute together. They both have like their nicknames are their first initial and then a little bit of their last name. Like I just thought it made
sense. But sources say that their breakup have been a long time coming but mostly seem to have been triggered by cheating rumors. A little context. A model and personality TV personality named Madison Lacroix, who was from ATV show called Southern Belles, went public claiming that a rod had been pursuing her on Instagram, sliding into her DMS and offering to fly her out to Miami to be a side chick.
So that's pretty bad. I understand why Jennifer would break up with Alex. They tried to make it work for a little bit, but ultimately she broke up with him because she couldn't trust him, which is understandable. So then you get with Ben Affleck I. Know that's what's understandable like OK, I'm breaking up with someone because I think they might have cheated on me so I'm going to get with the guy that cheated on me 20 years ago who I know. Also cheated on Sense.
Yeah, and I know he also cheated on his wife and mother of his children with the nanny. Like why would you trust this guy more? I don't know. I guess I will say to give her a little benefit of the doubt or whatever. Sometimes when you are heartbroken over someone, it can be therapeutic in a way to make yourself heartbroken over somebody else. So yeah, maybe that was a distraction. Yeah. So she's not really wasting any
time. She, soon after that, days later, is spotted coming and going or Ben Affleck is spotted coming and going out of it. Jennifer's Bel Air house on numerous occasions, but there's one instance when he's photographed and sources are claiming that they're just friends and that apparently Ben had reached out to Jlo after she heard about the breakup and just wanted to see that she was OK. Weird. When is that ever?
Yeah, what the heck? You hear that your ex has gone through a breakup and you just reach out as a friend. I know you OK. Yeah, obviously it wasn't very innocent. Then in May, both Jen and Ben had a week off of work, and they decided to spend it together at Ben's house in Montana. And a source tells PEOPLE it's all been quick and intense, but they're happy. Yeah. Then they're photographed together in Miami at Jennifer Lopez's gym there.
And then a week later, she's seen leaving his house in LA. So then she just got divorced. Oh, she's not divorced, but she just broke up her engagement. OK. But so that just happened, yes, just happened. And her and a rod were like living together. And like I said, their families were like super close, basically married. They they were cohabitating. At this time, sources are saying that their relationship is very serious and that they are discussing their future
together. How could it be serious already I. Know way too fast and it's not like you're picking up where you left off because you left off like almost 20 years ago, before you even had kids, before you had these separate marriages. Like it's kind of like you're starting from scratch. Yeah. So then in June, the first photos come out of them kissing. So, you know, we know that they are together and people are freaking out like, this is a big story in the tabloids.
It's almost reminds me of like a reboot. Like Oh my God, I never thought that TV show would come back after all these years. It's. Cool, but it's almost like a fan fiction in a way, you know? Yeah, I feel like I'm back in high school. Yeah. Everything's right again. Like, we would be freaking out obviously if Robson got back together, but how genuine would that really be when people want it so badly, you know? That would be crazy. Yeah. That's a whole other
conversation. I would be sad for sure. At this time, a writer for Vogue, Raven Smith, releases an article titled Why Bennifer Matters, And I think that this excerpt was kind of interesting, she says. Much has changed since their original dalliance. Jlo has twins and Ben's acquired their mass that massive Dragon Tattoo. But as a couple, they nearly predate the Internet, reminding us of the organic way we
function pre apps. Sorry to be a snap, but this final brilliant part of the story is love itself. We're all human and as we rebuild and grow, no matter how hard we try not to allow it, no matter how much we we fall in love with someone new, we all think of the one that got away. You've pictured your what if person as if you read this. I'm sure the business the business can be completely
finished with no loose ends. But we all have a what if someone out there wondering wandering the planet without us. It's not painful, just passed and we're resigned to it. But Ben and Jen are a slim hope that the past doesn't have to lay doormat, that one day, years from now, you and your what if might be in a circumstance that lets you love again.
Whoa, interesting. I mean, what are the odds of that this couple is like allowing all these people to feel that like kind of fan fiction type of excitement in a way. I don't know how genuine that is. Yeah, and even though that sounds romantic, I mean, it happened because other relationships ended, you know, a divorce. And it wasn't like just as happy story. And I feel like that article makes it sound like ohh, like you could end up with your what if.
But I'm assuming a lot of people are like married and that's why they are not with their what if. So, you know, it's kind of weird. I know. And, like, the happy story would maybe be that like, yeah, your divorce doesn't happen or like, yeah. Hey, maybe you'll get divorced and then you can end up with your wife and. Yeah, I know. That's sad. I also find a little, I mean, yeah, it doesn't really matter how long you date somebody.
But like Jen, Jennifer Lopez, she she was actually engaged twice before she was originally a game engaged to Ben Affleck. She had been married twice before him and she even had a 10 year relationship with her high school sweetheart who she didn't even end up marrying before Ben Affleck.
So like she had like 3 pretty significant relationships before him that it's like interesting to think like, oh, you know, from her younger days, like that broken engagement, she had three full intense relationships before that. And then like a marriage and a broken engagement after that. So it's kind of funny to be like, oh, he's the one that got away. Because that could be several people. Yeah, exactly.
But I don't know. I also think it's kind of unrealistic because if a relationship doesn't work out the first time, it's, I don't know, a risk to think that it would years later. And it's like weird to I don't know to for that writer, not no shade to her, but to say, Oh, it's hope that your what if might work out. It's like, oh, you mean the guy that cheated on you, like engaged. I don't know, especially now, like their lives are more complicated than they were years
before. But this was, I should have asked this on the Patreon, but it was a question I was thinking about with this couple is like, at what point does a complicated history only complicate your present in a way? Like some people you might have a complicated history with and you that like intensifies your bond, but you wouldn't be with them otherwise. Like the person that they are right now isn't really up to your standard, but it's just the history that's driving that connection.
But you're asking at what point does the history make it not possible to have a relationship? Yeah, like at what point is the history detrimental to the relationship more so than it
adds value? I feel like sometimes if there's something related to your family or your friends or something that like being with that person would cause issues, you know, from the like if, if it really is making your present more difficult by being with somebody, that that's when I think the past can make it impossible to make it the future, if that makes any sense. Yeah. Especially when everybody in your life hates that person. No, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
What do you think about that? I mean This is why I didn't ask Patreon because I feel like there's just too like the patreons on Patreon but I feel like it's too hard to summarize. But maybe when you don't really trust that person anymore, like you have baggage from things that might have happened.
I totally get that. Like a history, I think, like a complicated history, I think sometimes might make someone hold on for too long because they want everything that they've gone through with that person to be worth something and like. Yeah. When you overcome things, that can make you stronger, but at some point I think it might create unnecessary hurdles that you otherwise wouldn't have with someone that you're starting fresh with. There's so much to that.
I know I'm moving pretty fast though. Jen made their relationship Instagram official in July when she made a post celebrating her 57th birthday. And in the photos, like she's showing off her ABS, she's wearing a bikini and the second the 3rd post in she's kissing Ben which I found like kind of egotistical too. I don't know. Yeah, like me, me. Oh, here's the supposed love of my life. Or. Whatever, me, me.
Like the first couple photos, it's like she wants people to be like, Oh my God, she's 52 and she has a body like that. And then, and she knows that's what people are thinking, and then she knows that people are going to go crazy when they see that third picture. Oh my gosh, yeah. And it's like, I don't know if the fame and the publicity is the reason why you guys broke up originally in the 1st place. Why are you showing it off that quickly?
Three months is not that. Like you could wait a minute. Some people don't even like post anything on Instagram for like a couple of years into their relationship. Oh well, we've talked about this, talking about this. I think a few years is too long. A few years is too long, but it's like a celebrity. It's. Different celebrity is different, yeah. Because like, that was a huge problem for them before, so why wouldn't you like try to be more private?
I'm sorry to be a bitch, but this is what people mean when they say work on yourself. Like reflect, change. You know this is kind of changing what you were saying. You know? If publicity is what ruined their relationship the first time, why would you just dive in and do the same exact thing again? Yeah, exactly. And they keep doing it more so. Then for her birthday they celebrated in San Tropez and there at the club they are very heavy on the CDA and they're
seen singing her song. Jenny from the blog. Yep. I know and he's got like all alcoholism issues. Doesn't seem mature. Meanwhile, they're photographed together on a yacht, which is decorated with framed photos of them from earlier in their relationship, like. That is insane. Who goes on vacation and brings photos to display? That's crazy. Like it's not like it's their permanent yacht. They're like renting it or something. Like why would you bring photos
to like a hotel or something? Are they still in Saint Tropez? Cause I've heard that if you ever see celebrity photos on a trip like that, that means that they were called or like told about this ahead of time 'cause why? I don't. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't think there's like round the clock paparazzi in Saint Tropez for American celebrities, you know what I mean?
I don't think yeah exactly IA 100% in stage because then on the gut there's paparazzi that shoots a photo of them recreating the iconic Ask grab shot from the Jenny from the Block music video. It's so fake. Do you think we're stupid? They know that people are going to be eating that up. Like, Oh my God, look, it's it's benefit from the past right now, benefit from the block. Like they know we're going to be doing the side by side photos.
And it's, it literally does feel like it's like a 90s reboot coming back and like that people are just like hungry for it. But OK, are they like actually together though, and they're just playing up their celebrity? Maybe, but I don't even know how you have that conversation like I. Know I cannot wrap my head around like so-called PR relationships. Yeah. Like how that actually goes down.
I mean I I would be willing to bet that they were like actually hooking up and like together and stuff, but how? I just don't get how that goes. I feel like that would take away the romance from it, knowing that everything that you're doing is also has an ulterior motive and for other people to see. Yeah, I feel like it would take two really egotistical people to the town with that. Yeah. And I wrote in my notes, like, I was like, I find this so egotistical.
Like, even though I love Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart, I love them as a couple. I would not really buy it if 30 years from now they got back together and we're deliberately recreating images and moments that they knew was popular. During the Twilight era, you know, like, I would not find that genuine. So strange, Oh my. God, I don't know, like what the like they go to can and they're like making out on a rooftop or something like, hey, obviously
you know that that's not real. He like climbs up in a tree and then leans down to her. And I hope that I would not fall for it. If they didn't, I might. I might be just too excited. And I really, I don't get it because Ben Affleck supposedly is the one who hated media attention and couldn't handle it the first time. So like, why would you be going along with this now? Just out of desperation? So then in September, they attend the Met Gala together and they pose for picture kissing
through their masks. In October, Throughout that month, Jennifer is away in Canada filming a Netflix movie called The Mother, which is a which this time it's apparently hard on their relationship because they're apart from each other. And then for Thanksgiving, she flies back to LA to spend time with Ben and her twins, Max and Emmy. And then he also spends separate time at home with his own children. Speaking of, I have to wonder what Jennifer Garner is thinking
throughout all of this. I know I I read that she was just like happy for him or not happy for him, but she was over him to the point where like she didn't really care. Almost like she was relieved that like now he's Jennifer Lopez's problem. But I think honestly, it would be hard for the kids. Like I'm just imagining if my parents broke up and then like one of my parents got back with
their ex from earlier. I know we talked about this in the episode with Jennifer Gardner, but like from a kids perspective, it would almost feel like, well, did you ever really love my mom or or love my dad? Because were you thinking about that other person the whole time? Yeah, I know. So how old are the kids now? If you had to guess, it's OK if you don't know the exact age, but.
Right now his kids are 18. Like right now as the time we're recording this, he has an 18 year old, a 15 year old and a 12 year old and she has 216 year olds. So at this time they're like three years younger than that. So teens are pre preteens. So they're still young, like still the age where you need your parents around. So I also have to wonder like that's I don't know if they would have heard about this, but it's just weird like, oh, why is dad like out on a yacht in Europe?
Well, you know. Ben Affleck actually did say something about it when he went on The Howard Stern Show. He was like, all I care about is my kids and how this effects their kids. And he's like, I know they're not immune to it. He's like, I know that, like, kids at school say things to them and like, talk about how I'm in the tabloids. That has to be hard for the kids because it's not like they're taking things slow and easing them into it. Like it's happening very, very
quickly. And I feel particularly bad for Jennifer Lopez's kids because they had these two other basically step sisters through her relationship with a Rod, who they were very close with. They all lived together, they traveled together and then very quickly now they have three different basically step siblings. You have to have like a blended family again. And that's hard. Like I've never gone through
that. But I can't imagine having like step siblings and then your parents get divorced because what does that mean for your relationship? And to have to do that like multiple times seems like it would be kind of. Traumatic. That seems really hard. The stars and their children, I
know. I also wrote my notes like it did did remind me. I know I mentioned this before when we did the Pete and Ariana episode, but it really reminded me of them again because there's like a new article about them every single day and every single article mentions the projects that they're working on or the projects that are coming out right now. So like there is so much promotion for all of their stuff at the same time.
Strange. And then in December, Ben goes on Howard Stern so take a drink and he talks about why him and Jen broke up the first time. He said. I would say that media attention was about 50% of what just destroyed our relationship. The idea that people hate you and they hate you together and that being together is poison and ugly and toxic and the thing none of us want to be a part of. And who the fuck would want to have them to dinner and what the
fuck are they doing together? He was like very aware of what people thought and that that got in the way. I think they had other problems too. I guess I was just going to say like, I don't know why that would ruin your relationship, but like, I don't know, why should they care what other people think? I mean, what about like gay couples? You know, they have to deal with that all the time getting shit from people and people can make it through.
So I mean, I know it's like different to be famous, but it seems really hard to be famous. But they obviously had other problems. I but I think what I'm interpreting by that is like we said, like, like we said, these are pretty egotistical people, so they care a lot about what people think, yeah. And. Yeah. Oh, I just remember from your episode, like part one, that that was around the time like their movie Geely Whatever didn't do good and that their career was kind of taking tanking.
So it was more than their relationship I think. Yeah, exactly. I think when a relationship is no longer financially beneficial for them, it starts to sour. But so then in February 2022, Jlo is on the cover of People magazine to promote her upcoming movie Marry Me. And the cover line is Jennifer in love. And in the article, she explains why her relationship with Ben now works better, better than it did previously. And she says, we're older now, we're smarter, we have more
experience. We're at different places in our lives. We have kids now and we have, we have to be very conscious of those things. It's a beautiful outcome that this has happened in this way at this time in our lives where we really can appreciate and celebrate each other and respect each other. We always did. But we have even more of an appreciation because we know that we can take that, that life can take you in different directions.
So as mentioned, Jennifer is promoting her new movie Marry Me. So of course, Ben and Jen are posing in front of posters that say Marry Me at this time on the red carpet. And this is obviously fueling engagement rumors. And so then, of course, two months later, guess what? They really do get engaged. Oh. My. Goodness. She shared the news in an e-mail newsletter to her fans. She said.
Well, at my favorite place on earth, in the bubble bath, my beautiful love got on one knee and proposed. I was taken totally off guard and just looked in his eyes, smiling and crying at the same time, trying hard to get my head around the fact that after 20 years this was happening all over again. I was quite literally speechless and he said is that a yes? I said yes, of course. That's a yes. Like he's a scumbag.
I'm sorry. Again, about with the ulterior motives here, like, I don't find it very romantic that you're telling us in a newsletter, an e-mail newsletter. If it really was genuine, why aren't you just like letting, I don't know, like rumors swirl and then like a Rep confirms or denies. Like it just seems odd to me. I I would like if these are different people in different circumstances. I would think this is really,
really sweet and romantic. I do love people reuniting like that kind of story, but it just doesn't seem smart. I was just, when this was happening in real time and I was hearing about it. I was just all throughout. I was just saying, are you kidding me? I know. No, because I don't believe that Ben has probably done the healing that he needs to do from all the shit that he's put people through before. And yeah, there's no time that these people worked on
themselves at all. This is actually Jennifer's sixth time getting engaged. 6th time. 6th time like I said, she's gotten engaged like 2 years earlier. What the heck is the psychology behind that? I know what even is engaged to someone that has been engaged to six times. I know how big of a deal is. I mean, obviously you're downsizing a little bit. You're like, now I'm Naked in the tub. Yeah. But it would be ridiculous in a way if it was like an over the top engagement.
Yeah, 'cause like, Oh my God, lady, like, how many times can you do this? But what were you going to say? Well. Actually, her first engagement to Ben I think also wasn't that big of a deal. I think he was like, what? Wasn't it at the house and he had like roses or something? Oh yeah, you're right, you're right. Playing her song, which was kind of weird. Yes, yes, but they barely knew each other at that point as well. Yeah, like I think it was when she first met his family.
Yes. Which to me she's kind of rushed, but it's actually her 7th time being proposed to because on an episode of Carpool Karaoke she revealed that she had also rejected a couple proposals in the past. And just like based off the math of what she said, we can assume that another person had proposed to her at some point that she said no to. So I mean that's crazy. 7 times she's gone through that once in a lifetime experience.
No shit. I know it happens to people a couple times, but once you get to that time it's like, OK, obviously something is not going right after after the thing of the yes and the getting married. Like at some point you have to do something like introspective work and maybe it is like you're not picking the right people. I wonder. It's so like Elizabeth Taylor in a way. I wonder if what she'll do now and if she'll just kind of stop 'cause that's what Elizabeth Taylor did.
Like she had all her husbands and then at some point when she was older, you know, she just was single the rest of her life. So I mean, I hate to like be shitting on Jennifer here 'cause Ben's the problem, but like, that's kind of the point. It's like if you had gone through this like bad relationship you just got out of on, why would you go back to someone who's like a walking red flag like Ben Affleck? Yeah. I mean, he's he is the red flag, yes. But yeah, I know.
So I'm not. I'm not saying it's like her problem completely, but she should know better. Yeah, yeah, from a mile away, we know it's not going to work. And don't, don't sit there and tell us about the kids. It's all about the kids you want. And you don't give a shit about the kids because otherwise you would not be in this relationship in the first place.
I would like to like ask the listeners, I'm not sure when maybe some episode or I don't know if I should say it right now, but it, you know, it's been something that I've struggled with. But when do you tell a friend or something that like you don't think it's a good idea or? I know, yes. Yeah, it's hard to do. Yeah, it's really hard. For celebrities, it's probably even harder because they're probably surrounded by a lot of
yes people. So just three months after getting engaged, they eloped in a surprise wedding in Vegas. So like, again, didn't you say like we have to be more cautious for the kids? Like, why isn't that moving so fast? What is the rush here? Her kids were present, but his weren't even there because they just did it spur the moment. And his kids were away at summer camp, which I feel like would be very upsetting for them.
Be like what you just like did this without even warning us like you just got married after that a couple. This is like a couple months into the future. Jennifer actually goes on Jimmy Kimmel to promote her upcoming romantic comedy called Shotgun Wedding which. Is that? Crazy. Like she gets engaged around the promotion of her film Marry Me Yeah. And she gets married very quickly around the promotion of her film Shotgun. Wedding Mel, I did not know that.
That's really weird. Like surreal. I didn't know that she was like mirroring her movies. Yes, in her life. That's why I feel like this has to be staged, because what are the odds that it would line up with your projects like that? Dick. That's creepy. I know.
Yeah, 'cause it's like you read these articles where she like, talks about something having to do with her relationship with Ben. And then the last paragraph will be and Jennifer Lopez new movie is coming out and it's like has a title that like mimics whatever is happening with Ben. Like it's like too good. It does seem so old fashioned, almost like 1950s in a way, 'cause I feel like people would always starring movies that like kind of reflected their life.
That does seem like an old school, really old school way of being a celebrity if. I mean, maybe it's just a crazy coincidence, but I would think not. Yeah, it's too good to be true. And then on the show, she said that it was Ben's idea for them to elope before their big wedding day because they were busy planning it, and that she was experiencing a little bit of PTSD from their first wedding
falling apart. So he said, let's just go to Vegas today and get married to eliminate the pressure of the anticipation, which kind of seems like a good idea. But like I said, it's kind of shitty that then his kids were left out of that. Yeah. Well, so then they did have their big wedding in August, which again, like even that is a pretty to me. I still think that's a shotgun wedding.
Like, they got engaged in April, they're getting married in August, They have a big wedding ceremony and reception on Ben's 87 acre island in Savannah, GA. Jennifer wore a custom Ralph Lauren dress with cap sleeves and open back cut out, a flowing train and ruffled detail and a very dramatic veil. And all the guests also were told to wear white. There were three days of activities and the wedding concluded with a big romantic fireworks show.
And then the newlyweds jetted off to Italy for their honeymoon. And there are some very high rise photos of them taken by Pop High res photos taken by paparazzi where they're all dressed up and walking hand in hand and they look in love and stylish and very cute. But then there's more grainy, authentic pictures that come out that appear to show Ben crying and looking very distressed. And Jennifer seems to be comforting him.
So it's just very different from, like, this, like, big love story and like, happy ending that they're trying to sell us. And around this time, sources are saying that Ben is having a hard time with the media attention on their relationship. I don't know why I don't buy that. I know because it sounds like. Another problem. Yeah. Jarring though. Yeah. The contrast between the high resolution so happy pictures and Oh my gosh. I know I, I feel like they weren't prepared with how much
people would be on to them. Then in October of that year, there are reports that Ben and Jen are already butting heads over Ben's bad habits, including his failure to clean up after himself and his smoking. Then in December, Jennifer shared in her fan newsletter that the couple had a big blended family holiday celebration and that all of their Christmas decorations were Hummingbird themed in light of her upcoming single Hummingbird. Oh my goodness, so
self-centered, I know. Like it's just like it really is like so old fashioned to be blending all these career. Yeah. Aspects of your life with your romantic life and personal life in this way, why should Christmas. Be about your professional project. And it's so self-centered for the kids too. It's like what? Why do we care what mom's song is? I know I didn't have a normal Christmas.
Yeah, I was thinking it too, because I was like, it's kind of ironic that she has this newsletter in a way to like, connect with her fans and be close to her fans to sell her products and her movies and her music. But honestly, it's so unrelatable that you even have a different themed Christmas, the core every single year. Like most people go into their attic or yeah, they like pull out the same stuff and like it's nostalgic and it's a tradition.
Like that's so weird to what even is like Hummingbird themed Christmas decoration. I know. Are there pictures of that? I don't even understand. I don't think what that would look like. Oh my gosh, that is so not Christmas at all too, at least in the northern hemisphere. I know it's confusing the southern hemisphere too, but you know, you wouldn't like see Hummingbird, at least where we live. Like you wouldn't see hummingbirds out. Like that just doesn't make any sense.
Oh, she has like jewelry That's Hummingbird stuff. I think the tree is decorated with hummingbirds. Oh my goodness, we actually do have, funny enough, a Hummingbird ornament my family. So I guess I take it back. Yeah. I just remembered. Just the fact that she's telling us like it's a case. You just have some things for yourself and your family. And then you probably remember this.
It's February 2023 now and there is an awkward moment at the Grammys when Trevor Noah, who's the host, is talking and they didn't seem to know that the camera was on them. And Ben whispers something in her ear. And then she seemingly reprimands him and she actually hits him in the chest and rolls her eyes like she looks genuinely angry. That's not flirty. And then he seems to angrily pout.
And then he like, addresses tie. And then Jen turns and she notices the that the cameras are on her and her eyes look so big like they get like horrified. And then she completely code switches and pretends to laugh at whatever Trevor just said. But it's the kind of laugher. No, you know, she didn't hear what Trevor said. She's just laughing because she heard other people laughing. And she's like, oh shit, I have
to act normal now. And Ben still has this like grumpy distance stare on his face at this point. And I don't know if this is real, but the Daily Mail hires a lip reader to interpret what they said to each other. And allegedly she said look more friendly, look motivated. And he said, he said, I might. So some people assume that maybe he was drinking again and that she was maybe scolding him for that because we do know that his alcohol issues.
He later said to The Hollywood Reporter, I saw Trevor Noah and I was like, oh God, they were framing us in the shop, but I didn't know that they were rolling. And I leaned into her and I was like, as soon as they start rolling, I'm going to slide away from you and leave you sitting next to Trevor. She goes, you better fucking not leave. That's a husband and wife thing. So maybe it's like. Just like regular banter but I
don't know it just look. The code switching I think is what makes it look super funny and like they were caught in the ACT because like her eyes just look so horrified when she sees that they're on camera. In a way I do feel a little sympathy for them in that moment because like that does suck, but you can't just like be a little annoyed at your partner at some event and you have to, you feel like you need to be smiling and happy and everything. Yeah, totally.
And I feel bad for Ben in that regard because he said that the fact that people assumed that he was drinking again made him feel guilty forever, even being open about his alcohol issues. Like he was like, you try to be open about things to like lessen the stigma, but then then your whole life people are going to be wondering if you're relapsing. That is tough. So I feel bad for him with that,
but it is a funny clip. And then in February, also for Valentine's Day, the couple got matching commitment tattoos, which are crossed arrows, kind of like an Infinity sign. And it says BB and J you. Sure about that. All right. I know, we know how that goes. Every time, I think, I'm pretty sure every time we've mentioned tattoos, like with a couple, it hasn't gone well. Yeah, but I'm sure there have been couples we covered that have tattoos and it's fine and we just didn't mention it.
But it's happened a few times on this podcast. OK, so the in that same interview Ben talks about the media attention more and he says she as in Jennifer, she thinks that because of the experiences that I've had I've become very guarded. And she's right. I view these things as landmines where if you say 1 wrong thing your career might be over. So she tells me today, relax, be yourself, have fun. You're actually a fun guy who is real and genuine, and you just seem so serious.
Do I seem serious? But as in many things, she's really right and she loves me. She's looking out for me. She's trying to help me. So it's like, maybe I ought to fucking listen to her. Then says it is kind of interesting that he does seem to have such a issue with press, but she presses him to be more open because I think that's just not a relatable issue that a lot of people have. It's being guarded about people in general is very different about being guarded about media attention.
But yeah. And then in May, paparazzi catch footage of Jen and Ben getting into a car. And once again, he looks visibly grumpy, very grumpy. And when he opens the door for Jennifer to get in, he angrily closes it shut, like, he kind of slams it in her face. But you can maybe assume that he's upset that paparazzi is there in general. She's probably calling them. Exactly, and maybe I'm ignorant but I feel like why aren't you just at your house in Montana if you really hate paparazzi that
much? Like why are you in places where paparazzi would be? Right. I mean, ever since throwback to an episode a while ago, but Samantha Ronson said Lindsay Lohan called paparazzi. So people do it, yes. So it's a thing. And Jlo just seems like the type that would. Yeah. But honestly, like, he had that relationship, too, with Anna de Armas or whatever. And he was also photographed with her a lot.
But like, if you watch the videos, they're walking super slow, like on walks, like in their neighborhood in a way that I'm like, someone probably called the paparazzi in that situation, Yeah. I know I don't. I don't know if I buy that he actually hates the paparazzi. Yeah. Or like OK maybe he does, but he still is willing to do it for his career if that makes sense. Yeah, like maybe his team is calling the paparazzi.
Yeah, I think. He I think he is consenting to it or like knows about it. Maybe he doesn't technically like the experience, but he wants the benefits of it. So yeah, kind of like how a lot of us have to do things we don't want to do for work. True. But we would argue, like, I think that's kind of optional. Like, I think you must have a lot of money by now. Like you could pull it back a little if you wanted to, but it
seems like he doesn't. Yeah, I just like, what are the odds to like, I know paparazzi are probably, they're probably always in some locations like or close by and maybe the airport or outside like a Hollywood studio or something. But what are the odds that they would always be like know where you are every single day I. Find it so weird? Have you ever seen paparazzi in New York? I don't think so, no. I I know you saw it in Italy,
right? But yeah, I never, I mean, I didn't live in like downtown Manhattan, but I never saw them in New York either. It's just, it's weird. I wonder if anyone listening if you live in LA, like do you ever see them like camped out somewhere? Just curious how it works. Maybe they're just really good at hiding, but I feel like if you've ever even tried to, like there's some celebrities where I've had tabs on them all the
time. Obviously Rob and Kristen in my younger days, I knew where they were at most times. Not like they were exactly like I knew the state that they were in most days because I just was a huge fan and I wouldn't be able to tell you like if they were going to a coffee shop or they're like regular day-to-day whereabouts. Like that would be so hard to figure out.
We have tried purposefully to like see celebrities before and didn't like it's hard, you can just happen across them, but it's really hard to actually like wait around somewhere and see somebody so. So what I don't get paparazzi would be like, in the right place at the right time. Like someone has to be tipping them off. Yeah, unless they're just waiting outside their house,
which is creepy, but yeah. But yeah, the ones where they're just like, yeah, going to a coffee shop, like, how did they know? Yeah. Yeah, and then in this video, like they're getting into a parked car somewhere. So I mean, maybe someone saw them at like a restaurant or something, but it just seems odd. So that same month, Ben and Jen attended the premiere of her film Mother. And on the red carpet, Ben, first of all, he looks terrible.
I hate to say that but his face is very red and his skin is puffy and his eyes look very sunken in like he just doesn't. Oh no. He looks very tired and they're posing and Jen kisses him like she's doing kind of the fake laugh, like she's really like playing up the pictures. And then he whispers something in her ear and then she kisses him again. And then he puts his face in her face and he seems to be saying something very intensely in a
pretty angry manner. He doesn't look like chill at all. The Daily Mail hired a lip reader who apparently said that they are merely talking about where they're going to stand and like, take pictures. So maybe there's not much to it. Maybe just being in that setting like stresses him out. But it definitely, especially in photographs, like it looks like he's yelling at her, but maybe that's just how he naturally is. I don't know. Kind of scary. I know.
So then in June, they bought a $61 million home in a gated community in Beverly Hills. So at least they're like in a gated community at this point. Then in September. So skipping ahead, Ben is photographed seemingly engaging in an intimate embrace with his ex-wife, Jennifer Gardner and a car. The two of them are smiling with him resting his head on Jennifer's shoulder.
Interesting. Then the next day, sources say that, well, first of all, the next day, at this point, Ben and Jennifer Lopez, they actually haven't been photographed together in over a month, but then they're photographed the day after this or the day after that, so. What are the odds? I know exactly and so a source close to the couple say that Jlo is absolutely furious and feels like she's been blindsided by these pictures.
Bens been insisting they were completely innocent and that Jlo he does believe him, but he's also been unrepentant. He keeps saying that Jennifer, as in Jennifer Gardner, is like a sister at this point, and if Jlo's going to get jealous and throw tantrums over a harmless cuddle, then the problem is on her. Oh, that's a tricky situation, I know. On both sides. Ben, be for real. Your ex-wife is never going to be like your sister, especially she. Has kids together. I know I do.
I mean, we don't know these people, but I would believe that Jennifer Gardner is truly over him. And it wasn't romantic. And they both share kids together. You got to have some kind of familial bond, I bet. I bet it was just a cozy family thing, but I can get Jlo's perspective. I I would be pretty upset too. I think so, yeah. That's a tough one. Yeah, I wouldn't love it. But then, like, a week and a half later, Ben and Jennifer, as in Jennifer Lopez, are photographed having a seemingly
tense conversation in their car. And like, maybe they're just talking about something else, like some shared thing that they're both stressed out about, you know, like some work drama or something. But they do just both look so serious, like they look angry. Interesting. Do you think because we've been talking about like, oh, it seems like they want attention. Do you think they want attention
for drama too? Or do you think this is purely just a coincidence, like they got caught by paparazzi? That's a good question. I think maybe I, I think they might like, like the roller coaster aspect that their original love story had the highs and the lows. So maybe they do want people to think that, you know, like, once you're engaged and married, what are the storylines now, you know? That's true. I don't know. It's tough. It's tough because sometimes it feels like it's intentional and
then other times not. Yeah, because like, obviously paparazzi is here and we're like, Oh yeah, obviously they called the paparazzi. But like in these photos, are they calling the paparazzi? There must be somewhere they're not. Yeah, I don't know. We don't know. I mean, maybe they did call the paparazzi and they got in a fight by the time maybe she. Called them and he was like, what the fuck?
Yeah, She was like, no, wait, let's stay in the car for a bit because there might be photographers. That's true. And he's like, are you serious? And then they start getting into all their problems with each other. Honestly, I. That, that is what happened. So yeah. Then in November, Jenna's interviewed by Vogue and about her relationship with Ben. She says I feel even more relaxed and comfortable, which makes me feel even more beautiful than I have ever felt with someone else.
Every part of me, my body, my choice, my voice, even my mistakes. Like I don't know I'm. Sorry, that's so self-centered. I can't imagine saying something like that. Yeah, I don't just I feel beautiful, like me, me, me because of my relationship. It's just weird. I know I could say like, oh, someone else, like they help me, you know, feel beautiful or something. But also it's like saying I feel more relaxed. Like, OK, we've seen so many photos now that don't look very relaxed.
So in December of last year, ahead of the promotion of her new documentary film titled This Is Me Now, Jennifer gave an interview to Variety. And she revealed that her and Ben still both have PTSD, but the media frenzy that they had experienced years ago. And she says, but we're older now, we're wiser. We also know what's what. We also know what's important, what's really important in life. And it's not so much what other people think. It's about being true to who you are.
I don't know. I just feel like if you really had PTSD like you wouldn't be together in the first place. It's a lot of fuss but I feel like you need the attention more than ever. No offense but you're in your 50s and I hate ageism in Hollywood too. But like I I feel like they are desperate for attention at this point so I'm not really buying it. No IA 100% agree. I think that, like I said with the whole reboot, like a reboot is often an actor to revive
their career. And I think that's what they're doing here. They're like, OK, like we really don't want to be like, you know, on the on the outs in Hollywood. We don't want people to forget about us. So we're going to force them to remember this time when they loved us. Yeah, yeah, 'cause I, I, I just don't think people were like obsessed with Jennifer Lopez in recent years. And, and that's hard and kind of sad to witness happen. And I think it happens to
everybody that's a celebrity. But I don't think she was like on, you know, the people's top choice for cover of magazine or like who people are following. I mean, it was more like the younger people, you know, like Bella Hadid and Selena Gomez and all these people. And I don't think people were that crazy about them recently. So I just don't really buy it. No, they were definitely growing tired of her.
And I think unfortunately with this relationship, she didn't realize that people were going to get sick of her more, a lot of people. Yeah. So then in this current year, 2024, in January, Jen is on the red carpet and ET asks her about, you know, why are people so worried about Ben's face all the time? You know, she looks so angry. And she goes, Ben is fine. You do not need to worry about Ben. And she laughs. And, you know, I think her response is kind of cute, but is it believable?
Like, does he really just have a resting grumpy face? I don't know. And so then in February, Ben is featured heavily in her documentary This Is Me Now. And he says about getting back together. He says, listen, one of the things I don't want is a relationship on social media. We're just two people with different kinds of approaches trying to learn to compromise, which is interesting because, like, they are heavily on social
media. And then Jennifer says, I don't think Ben is very comfortable with me doing all of this, but he loves me. He knows I'm an artist and he's going to support me in every way he can because he knows you can't stop me from making the music I made. He doesn't want to stop me, but that doesn't mean he's comfortable being my muse, which is, I don't know, like, I don't even think Jlo writes her own song and.
Yeah, Drew. It's not like he is the inspiration behind, like behind the songs, like he's in the documentary, he's in the paparazzi photos, in the Instagram post, in the newsletter. Like it's more than just like the songs are inspired by him. Yeah. It's the the public image is curated around the relationship. I almost think that like Ben probably reached out because he could like after current a rod broke up. Yes.
Like he just hit her up, took almost like a win in a way and like didn't think through like what that relationship actually meant. Probably not. So then in May, Jen attends the Met Gala solo. And this makes people think that maybe they are breaking up. Fans also noticed that they haven't been photographed together in over a month, and there are more and more tabloid
stories coming out. Page 6 alleges that an insider says if there was a way to divorce on the grounds of temporary insanity, he. As in Ben Wood, he feels like the last two years that were just a fever dream and he's come to his senses now and understands that there is no. Way this is going to work. Temporary insanity. Yep, so saying he had temporary insanity. I think so, yeah. My gosh.
Fans also notice that on Instagram, Jennifer appears to like an infographic post that says you cannot build a healthy relationship with someone who dot, dot, dot. And then there's like all these slides and they say someone who lacks integrity and emotional safety. Someone who doesn't respect your time. Someone who doesn't think it's important to call or text back
in a reasonable time frame. Someone who lacks effective communication skills equals silent treatment, withdraws or refuse to communicate unless it's on their own terms. Someone who doesn't know who they are or what they want. She's on the breakup infographic stage. That's true. I mean, it's telling that that is what her her discover page looks like.
Yeah. True. I mean, maybe you could say like, OK, if someone's in a healthy relationship now, maybe they would like a post like that because it reminds them of something from their past. I would maybe like a post like that because we cover all these couples all the time. So I always think about these things, but I think it's kind of telling. Yeah, so interesting, I know. Sources tell People magazine that they are living separate lives at this point, adding to
the breakup rumors. At the end of the month, Jennifer cancels her summer tour, stating personal reasons and a desire to spend more time with family. However, it's being reported that the tour was already not selling well, in addition to her album being a total dud, only peeking at 38th on the chart. So people start speculating online that perhaps the divorce rumors are just now meant to distract from the embarrassment of the professional flop. Oh man. Maybe, but I wrote in my notes.
It's interesting if this is now when they're breaking up because they had broken up also when they had their movie flop together. True. It's like that's when they cannot go on anymore, OK? It's like they. Can't get through it. No, they really can't. And again, maybe it's like the break up is a way to like, OK, don't don't pay attention to my tour not selling well, like. Or like it didn't sell well because of exactly exactly it does give me second hand
embarrassment. Or like, I know I do kind of hate, even though I'm not even a fan of Jlo's. I do hate to hear about like a tour not selling or you know, I'm totally flopping. It does give me. Well, especially in this stage when concert tickets are so hard to buy. Yeah. It upsets me so. Then later in June, it's reported that Ben has moved his things out of their shared mansion together. And a source says Ben continues to live at the Brentwood rental. He's been there for about two
months now. He seems OK. He's been at the office every day and seems focused on work. He's also spending time with his kids. Meanwhile, he is photographed by paparazzi without his wedding ring while Jennifer is vacationing with friends in Italy without him. It's happening. I know. Then in July, the couple celebrated their the anniversary of their Vegas marriage.
They celebrated that apart, so they didn't want to celebrate it. She was in the Hamptons with friends, where she spent most of the summer, and he was in LA. And during that trip to the Hamptons, Violet Affleck, Ben's oldest child, actually came and spent time one-on-one with Jennifer. I don't think it was, like, during their anniversary, but at some point that summer.
And sources close to Jlo are claiming that it's hurtful that Ben, during this time, is no longer putting in any effort to maintain a relationship with her kids, Max and Emmy, And like, that he's just completely abandoned them. But I was also thinking about this. And, like, her kids are 16 at this point. She's been with Ben for less than two years.
Like, yeah. Does he really have an obligation, I guess, to like be putting in, putting in an effort and like hanging out with them one-on-one or like without? Kind of weird. Yeah. They have a dad still too. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that make me uncomfortable. Yeah, exactly. Honestly, yeah, if your parent was like on the rocks with someone, I wouldn't want to then spend time with that person. Yeah, I think he's maybe just for the best.
If not, like, yeah, he seems really grumpy and troubled, too. Yeah, I wouldn't want to hang out with him if I was a teenager. Like you just want to hang out with your real dad. You know, yeah, exactly. I don't know how much of A parental. Yeah, exactly. This isn't going to last. We all know it. Exactly. I'm actually on Ben's side about this, and I am too. Oh. What I was going to say is like, I feel like getting upset about that is like, and you haven't
even spent time with my kids. Like that's just using your own kids to like make the person still. I know your life. Is this really the problem you should be talking about right now? I'm sure there's others. Like the fact that you are on opposite coasts on your anniversary. Like, what about that? I hate to say this too, but I almost wonder if like she's hanging out with his kids to like still be close to him. Like to still be like oh, what's
your dad doing? Or I don't know, maybe drag this out in a way maybe. He really doesn't want to see her right now and this is like her only way of making it publicly seem like they're still together. Yes, that's so true. Meanwhile, the couple lists their home for sale, while Ben purchased his his own $20 million Beverly Hills home without her. So they're breaking up. Yeah, they are done. Pretty. Oh my gosh, the sign. Why? Why would he hang out with her kids? I know.
He's like just a random guy basically. Exactly. They really haven't even been together that long. Like that's maybe if he's been a stepfather, stepfather for like 10 years in their lives from a formative age, but he's only known them when they've been teenagers. The Daily Mail also reports that Jennifer's mother and sisters are pushing her to file for divorce and to stop wasting any time on Ben.
The source says Jennifer currently feels like Ben does not deserve her, and her sisters agree. They want Jennifer to be happy, of course, but they feel that her sister is getting so caught up in what is supposed to be that she isn't seeing it for what it is. They want her to file for divorce 1st and get on with her life, focus on her kids in her career.
Wow. But sources are telling Page Six that Jennifer is still hoping to make things work with Ben, but that he is completely checked out and is fine with the marriage ending. What was the point? I know. Me loving you, you loving him. It frustrates me because we all saw this coming. I know. We all did. You didn't even have to know much about them to see this coming. So then, in August, on the exact two year anniversary of their Georgia wedding, Jennifer files
for divorce. The exact anniversary. Like, come on, you do love the theatrics at that point. I know because we also, if you go back to our episode on Jennifer Gardner on the on their Vegas wedding, when they got their marriage certificate, he said that him and Jennifer Gardner had broken up like on that exact day like six years prior. So they do love to use these like anniversaries. Exactly 2 years, Yes, clean. So odd. Planned. I know exactly the contract expired.
I don't know, but in her filing she listed the date of separation as April 26th, 2024. So it had been months before. So when we she attended the Met Gala solo. Like maybe they really were broken up at that. .0 Wow. However, there are a few times where they were photographed together since then by paparazzi with the kids. So it does seem like they were maybe still trying to give the
appearance of being together. And for some reason, weirdly, this couple did not have a prenup, which makes the divorce a little tricky. You would think they would have like. Especially since this is not their first rodeo. It's like not their. This is love. This time this is real. So. Weird. Maybe that was temporary insanity. I know, sorry I'm being harsh. Normally I don't like prenup, like I think it's so not romantic at all.
But these are definitely people that you would think would do that. So surprising. Maybe they knew it wasn't going to last that long and so they were like, let's not have a prenup to make it seem believable. Were they that aware? That seems like insane to me. I know, especially since this is literally her 4th or 5th marriage at this point, a source, AJ Lo source tells People magazine.
The truth is there was a great deal of love, but also unfortunately, what became clear was that what were Ben's erratic mood swings that he couldn't hide from the press as much as he tried to. You could see the erratic behavior of the giant mood swings. He would go from incredibly happy and warm, the best light illuminated from him, to the deepest, darkest behavior. I think I was signaling. I think he was signaling a message to the press, but yet participating.
I don't know what that means per SE, but kind of blaming it on him, which like, yeah, we do know that he seems to be Moody. It's kind of what you're saying, like sending signals but participating. Like he was participating in the whole media paparazzi charade thing but was just like in a bad mood throughout it all. Exactly. And like, in a way that is belittling her like, but you
agreed to be a part of this. So on the bright side, it does seem like Jennifer Lopez is now friends with Jennifer Gardner. Like she's photographed leaving her house with and son Samuel. I guess I don't know why Jennifer Lopez is still maintained. I mean, it's not for me to say. I, I would think it would be super painful to have a step parent and then your step parent and your parent breaks up. It's like, is that person not a part of my life anymore?
But what I'm saying is I don't know why Jennifer Lopez seems to be continuing this type of role with Ben's kids, but like, she didn't seemingly do that with a Rod's kids. Interesting. Who she had been with for longer a month. That is kind of strange. It seems, again, like maybe there's ulterior motives there because she gets photographed with Ben's kids and it does make people think like, oh, maybe they are still together.
Yeah, What's going on? Yeah, it is nice that the two, Jennifer, seem to have a friendship. And then in August it's reported that Ben is being linked to Kick Kennedy, who is the 36 year old daughter of Robert Kennedy Junior who was recently running for president. Apparently, the two had been spotted together in LA and the sources are saying that they are getting to know each other and that they have been hanging out since June.
But apparently, according to the Daily Mail, Ben and Kick actually had a brief fling years ago, before he and Jlo even reunited in 2021. My gosh. The source claims that they met because Ben is from Boston and when you live in Boston, the Kennedy family is royalty. When he started hanging out with Kik, he legit thought that he had landed into the Kennedy family, but she was too young and not ready for anything serious.
Oh my gosh. Who knows if that's true, but again, that sounds pretty opportunistic. Does seem like he does care about how his personal life effects his image. Interesting. Of no, I guess Kick Kennedy does look a lot like Jennifer Gardner, his ex-wife. Just a little.
Bit yeah, must I do still think he like a part of him from our episode on Jennifer Gardner does see not I don't want to project my own feelings like as her being the one that got away, but that he probably does feel like he really fumble with her. Yeah, it seemed like it. And then in September, a photo is leaked of Jennifer holding Matt Damon's hand at the premiere after party for her new movie, Unstable.
I didn't know that. Yeah, not in like a romantic way, but it almost looks like she's confiding in him and that he's offering support. But sources say that he refused to talk about Ben with Jennifer. But who knows? Then she also attended the TIFF Film Festival and she's wearing a very revealing dress that shows off her bare rib cage and it appears as though her tattoo that she had gotten with Ben is now already removed. Wow. Because that's where it was like under like on her rib cage.
But then September 14th, literally 2 days ago from the time that we're recording this, Ben and Jen were spotted together, photographed together having brunch at the Beverly Hills Hotel with both all of their kids besides his oldest daughter. He's in college. Yeah, no, I'm serious. Why? According to sources, Ben and Jen were sitting at separate tables from the kids and were reportedly kissing and holding hands. Are you kidding me?
No, this, this is like fresh. This is like this is ridiculous. Yes, yes. So this is still going on. Why? Apparently like sources claim that they only got together for the kids sake so that the kids could have lunch together. But I feel. Like. You care. Yeah. See, I like, I think his child Finn is really close with her daughter Emmy, but they're 15. I think her kids are 16. They can hang out without the parents there. True. They don't need to be there. They don't need to be kissing.
No, no, no, they definitely don't. And also, if you're hanging out for the kids, why are you sitting at a separate table for? My kids. It's not like they're they're gasping at the grunch. Anyway, like just have them run around somewhere. Exactly. No less at the Beverly Hills Hotel, which, if there is anywhere where paparazzi might camp out, it is there. So true.
So apparently sources say that they are not getting back together and they just were there to discuss finances and have the kids like meet up. But again, the kids could meet up without them and I feel like it honestly would be more confusing for the kids the situation. What crazy lives they live, I know. Truly. And I wrote like it's just funny how they keep saying stuff about the kids, the kids, but it does just seem so self motivated. It does. And that's it so far. I am feeling.
More stuff could come out before this episode comes out, but yeah, that's that's Ben and Jennifer. For you, that was really fun, even though more stuff might come out, like I just don't buy it or it's it's a bad idea, but we might. We'll probably have a updates episode in the future. I can't believe that they were just seen together again. I know. Seriously. I don't know, Like it's like who they think they're fooling. Like we do know that you did
file for divorce. Maybe they're just getting back together again, I mean. I know, I don't know, I don't want to be ageist, but it's like at your big age, like you guys should be a little mature, like you should have some self-control and be cautious and think about things. It does seem like they just act on their every whim.
It, it seems very like teenager, like early 20s or something to feel like you just have to run off with this guy that you have crazy feelings for, even though he has so many red flags. Like I think when you're older you don't do stuff like that because you're like, you know what, I'm good. Like I don't need to. I've had a lot of experiences already, like, yeah, I can find some. And she's Jlo like she could find somebody else. So it's just weird. It's just so selfish.
Like I just honestly, like I said, I feel like especially for her kids, it's so traumatic that like your mom keeps having you adjust to these new family dynamics and and then like using you in them being like, Oh, the kids. It's I want to for like, how many times can you go through like a family divorce like that over and over again? I know it is selfish so. But that's Benifer. Odds to get back together. Too high. So high really I, I would say like 70% maybe.
I know, me too. I don't mean, I don't think it'll be forever, but I I could see them saying like we're giving it another go. Yeah, in her newsletter. Yeah, but then like a month later being broken up. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. I don't know who she dates from here, but I'm I'm I don't think that I don't think either of them will waste any time. I don't think what what about Kate Kennedy? I know exactly. Or I don't know.
She actually, she was like, videoed by paparazzi walking on the street and they asked her about Ben Affleck and she just said no comment. So that's kind of telling in itself. No comment. But yeah, next episode we are also covering a couple from modern day. This one of the people in this episode actually was mentioned by name earlier in this episode at one point. It's a couple that had a short
lived relationship. But also there have been some speculation about there being ulterior motives with this. Relationship. All right, I can't wait. Thank you, Mel. And thank you for listening it. Was so fun and thank you everybody else for listening. And we'll get back together next week. Is your heart filled with pain? Shall I come? Back again. Tell me, dear, are you alone?