91. When Miley Cyrus Met Liam Hemsworth

Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your. Hi, everybody. Hey, guys. Welcome back to Significant Lovers. I'm Kelly and I'm Mel. We're cousins, Cousins and this is a true love podcast about famous couples and history and pop culture. And yeah, welcome to season three. This is our third year of this podcast. Wow, it's been so fun. Welcome to everybody new, everybody that's been with us

since the beginning. We love you and I can't believe it's taken until our third year to do this. Couple today. I know this is a big couple, this flagship. Yeah. And it's a long back and forth. Is Miley and Liam. Miley Cyrus. Liam Hemsworth, Yes. And if you haven't listened to it on Patreon, we covered Miley

Cyrus before. In the past we covered her relationship with Nick Jonas, which I hope you guys remember that from 2006, 2007, that was a. Cute episode, I'll link to it in the description. Yeah, that couple was a lot more off and on than I had ever thought it was. A lot of it was like one of those relationships where you're in it, but it actually doesn't even last that long. But once you're broken up, you're not really broken up. You keep going back.

You definitely lingered a lot, and that's kind of similar to this relationship. And so I feel like with that in mind, there's a lot of like, you know, why do you sometimes keep going back to someone? We've talked about this in the past, like how many times is too many times to break up? And is it a pattern? Is it something that we can grow out of with new relationships? Maybe, I think. Yeah, I hope so. But that's interesting. Maybe is it a pattern? Was it a pattern for Miley

Cyrus? Yeah, I don't know. I'm not because we covered her in the past. I'm not going to go too much into her back story, but definitely I would recommend that episode. And I feel like just a few words to describe Miley. We all know her. She's expressive, confident, impulsive, carefree, free spirited. A little chaotic, yes, but I feel like she does have a very big heart and she's very genuine. She does. She does. She's she's very, I wouldn't say that she's like calculated like

some other celebrities are. She's just, she is who she is. Remember she randomly showed up in the Joaquin Phoenix and Liv Tyler? Yeah. She's just hanging out with them. She's like, when she was really young, could just like, hold her own among adults. She was like a teenager just goofing around with them. Yeah, I don't even know why, but oh, Miley. Oh Miley, she's funny.

But then Liam. So he was born January 13th, 1990 in Melbourne, Australia. Hey, that's the same birthday as my friend Maddie. Oh nice. Yeah, anyway. His mom was an English teacher and his dad was a social services counselor. And he has two brothers, Chris and Luke. He moved to Phillips Island in Australia during high school, and he spent a lot of time surfing. You know, he's that kind of stereotypical Australian guy. But he was also very inspired by his older brothers who had begun

acting before him. It's like that's very common. And he did school plays, and he got an agent. And then he did Australian TV shows, including a show called The Neighbors and The Elephant Princess. And then, when he was 19, he moved to Hollywood and began, like, pursuing his career in the United States full time. So young. Yeah. What is that with Luke Hemsworth? Because Chris Hemsworth, if anyone doesn't know, he's also a very successful actor. Yeah, Hemsworth is like, he's

kind of different from them. Like I hate to say he's like shorter than them. Interesting. He does act he's but he's not like a leading man. I don't. OK. But he, he has roles. He he's still working, OK. Yeah, I think he was in Westworld. OK. This movie called The Death of me. I'm looking at his eye. But so Liam I would describe as being goofy, quiet, kind of traditional, bro Y laid back. Yeah, kind of mysterious, I would say. A little stoic. Oh my gosh, he sounds like your type.

I know. He is he is a little hot headed, I think not, not my type and a little Moody. And the three words that I would use to describe this relationship are silly, unstable and incompatible. Oh, no. Not a great sign, but showering, Yeah, we're going to go back to 2009. And so as Miley is beginning to transition her career away from Disney Channel, she met with the Disney executive Jason Reed.

And at this time, Disney was trying to help Miley expand her star power beyond just Disney. They wanted to introduce her to older audiences. I know. I feel like, why would you want to? Yeah, do that. Disney have a hand in that. I don't really know, but they wanted to just help her transition into more mature roles. And they asked her like, what kind of projects would you want to do? And she said she wanted to do a movie similar to A Walk to Remember.

Oh. Yes, which is a Nicholas Sparks book that they then made into a movie with Mandy Moore. I feel like she was like saying she kind of wanted to like embody Mandy Moore's career trajectory a little bit, which is interesting because I feel like Miley doesn't really act at all nowadays. I know. I feel like a lot of those Disney stars have kind of not Selena Gomez as much, but a lot of them have like given up on acting all together. Yeah, does seem like they pick one or the other. Well.

I guess Hilary Duff stopped. Music. Yeah. I feel like her music career never really got going. I guess Selena Gomez still sort of does both, but she she takes a lot of time off between age it seems. Yeah, I agree with that. Demi Lovato, definitely. I don't think acts anymore. Definitely music, but yeah, but then Zendaya, I mean, I don't actually know she had an album. I. Forgot, I didn't even realize that she had music until recently. Did. Yeah. No, she did. Right? She did.

Yeah. Yeah. She's an actress, though. Yeah. Yeah. They definitely choose one or the other. Which one would you pick, Mel, assuming that you had great talent in both, which I do not? I feel like acting is harder, but I feel like I would pick that. I think it's easier for them to make money with music. Yeah, I think I would. I think I would pick music. Yeah, if I had to pick, yeah. The thing is, I I don't wanna say something negative about

Miley off the bat. I think she's so talented and such a great performer. I think the actual Miley songs, she hasn't really had too many that are like that she's written that have been amazing. I feel like she kind of still struggles to find her identity. In music, yeah, I know. It seems like she's always changing her sound and style, and I there's been a couple times in her career where I felt like, yeah, this is what she should be doing.

I don't know. I wish she would stay away from the Super pop music, even though it is good. Sometimes I just think her voice sounds better with the more rock or like country sound. Yeah. And like, she'll start to do that, but then she leaves it and like, I don't know. Yeah, it's a little all over the place. Like hip hop ish.

Yeah, it's interesting. But so from there, Disney called the the director of A Walk to Remember, and he signed on to the project without even any project to sign on to. So he just was going to direct a. Oh wow. Titled Miley Cyrus Movie. That's how big of a star Miley was at the time, that she could just say something and make it happen.

And then her people called Nicholas Sparks and asked if he had any books that he was working on that might be a good fit for Miley. And he didn't at the time, but he said he would be down to write about a teenager. Oh my. Gosh. He wrote the script for the last song before he even wrote the book. What I didn't realize it was written basically for her. Yeah. Oh, it was. And that's why she's, like a

musician in the movie. Like, the character is named Ronnie, which is after her grandfather. She had a lot of like creative input too in the story. That's so interesting. I know. So around this time, Miley is 16 and Liam is 19. Obviously Liam is cast in the other lead role, the romantic lead role in the last song, and tabloids are reporting that Miley is dating her Co star Liam on this. Because all these pictures of them making out come out, but

it's from filming. They're like on the beach. But it's interesting 'cause if you go back and listen to our Miley and Nick episode, it definitely still seems like at this time something was still kind of lingering with her and Nick. There were still sightings of them together and evidence that they might still be dating. I remember that. I mean that, yeah, that happens

sometimes. You're like, you're still talking to your ex or hanging out or whatever, and then you meet somebody else and you like them too, and that happens. Yeah, especially when you're young. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Miley denied these claims of dating Liam. She posted on Twitter dumb blogs. I do not have a boyfriend. Stop wasting your time making up lies. I would be so depressed if that was my reason to breathe. All I want to know is who are these sources?

Who is the insider? I'm sure their parents are very proud, huh? They are professional liars. OK. But weirdly, right after that, she was photographed kissing Liam at the airport in Nashville. What? OK. I feel like, yeah, she was still attached to Nick somehow. And then that's why she had that whole reaction and then. But there was a little truth to it, you know? Yeah, I'm just guessing. Just maybe she liked Liam, but she was embarrassed. She didn't want him to know or something.

I don't know. But meanwhile, there are stories coming out at this time that Liam's ex-girlfriend of five years, his high school sweetheart, a girl named Laura, claimed that Liam dumped her when he returned to Australia after shooting the last song. And that up until that point she had believed that all those photos were just a part of the movie. Maybe that's why Miley denied it, because he didn't. Oh yeah, true. This girl Laura apparently wrote on her Facebook page.

Which this is a different time. Everyone was. I know like. Open at that. Sharing everything, Yeah, she wrote. Liam and I have been inseparable since school, but it's Miley Cyrus. How can I compete? Girl, don't do that. I know. If you want them back, don't post stuff like that. I know. Poor Laura. Like we said a couple episodes ago, the path to getting over someone and the path for winning them back are the same paths A. 100%. Which is moving on with your

life. Yes, mentioning them like by name in a Facebook post. I I'm not judging this girl. She was young. I get it. But I'm just. I'm just trying to give some advice to our young listeners. Yeah, yeah, be careful. Poor Laura. I know. So in October of that year, after they had finished filming, Miley tweeted, FYI Liam doesn't have a Twitter and he wants me

to delete mine with good reason. And after that she did delete her Twitter and blogs were reporting that it was because of Liam because she had put that out before. But then she released. Do you remember this? She released like an iMovie rap on YouTube where she rapped about deleting her Twitter. No, I don't. She was like yeah, the rumors are true at deleting my Twitter. Can you believe I finally got got 2,000,000? But I had to say wait, why do I remember it all?

Oh my. God. I had to say adios, I had to say goodbye and this little rap is to tell my fans why. So she also this I wrote down, she tweeted no she rapped. No it wasn't because my friend told me to. Y'all know what very well what you say I don't do and the reasons are simple. I started tweeting about pimples. I stopped living for moments and started living for. People. Wow, was this all from memory?

No, this, but so she interesting she referred to Liam as a friend, but it kind of does seem like she deleted it because I am because she told us he wanted her to. And then in December, this is not really anything to do with their relationship, but it was reported that Liam and his brother had allegedly been in a involved in a drunken bar fight several months back. And I want to bring that up because I said he's a little hot headed.

So maybe that might give some, you know, indication of his. OK. His character a little, I don't know. But now we're in 2010 and they are doing press for the movie and Liam is asked in an interview if he's dating Miley. And here is a little clip. Did I read somewhere that you guys were dating or just friends? Yeah. I mean, you know, I, I I get nervous talking about my private life, but yeah, I mean, it's it's hard to deny. Yeah. So many photos. Great. So cool.

Now, has she been over to Australia yet? Have you shown her? Yeah, she came over around New Year's. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it's cool. You know, it's nice to show her where I'm from and see how I live and what I grew up doing and yeah. Oh, that. That did make me blush a little bit. That was cute. I like when they just say yeah yeah dating then. It's crazy. I don't know it. It just made me feel something, seeing him being kind of awkward and shy, and then, yeah, we

can't. Deny And then I also have a clip from May of that year of Miley talking about their relationship on the Graham Norton Show. You found love in a film, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. You're all loved up. Yeah, I actually, I got flowers sent to my hotel this morning and I was really excited and it was really sweet. It was the first time you ever like, sent me flowers on the road. So I was really excited. And it's really cool that you get to work with someone that

you like. And he he too has ABS and that's nice too. Because this is his name's Liam Hemsworth and he now if you work that he used to be in a home and away in neighbours. Yeah, which I've never seen. But he's never seen Hannah Montana. Is that? Yeah, I never seen his show

either. It was I think it was good that he didn't have any pictured as like, you know, the Disney and he actually was like ready to work with someone that was excited about a new movie instead of just thinking like I'll know here someone thinks they're going to be like a real actress and not work out. So it was good. And and was your first the one on the screen? Yeah, which was sprung on us because we on the script it said Miley and Liam frolic on the beach.

And I was like, alright, I can frolic, that's fine. So I decided to go on to my frolickingness and they start yelling like make out. And I'm like OK, so I'm like jumping. I'm like wait, what'd you say? You know, I can't be the one that's like come on. So our first scene was actually the first day, which is, yeah, our anniversary coming up. And after that, I was just like, Yep, he's, he's awesome. But now I just said 18 soon, yeah. Anniversary. I'm getting really nervous. Yeah, no.

Do you think? Wedding bells? Oh no. Well, I can't marry him. And then you can and. Then. I control. It all the time, you know, I just don't know I. Think you might as well. It's as good as it's going to get. Don't tell me that. Seriously, it will never be better than. This one. Marry this one. You agree with me, don't you, Usher? Well, partially, I think it's up to him to ask her, right? Yeah, it was a ring. And like a big one, yeah. Liam Cheapo flowers Where's the rock? Not.

That Lily all. That sofa and so they could watch me at home and away proposing. Get on with it. Oh. Exciting now when they get married, because we'll know that it all started here. Oh my gosh, so many thoughts, I know. But I that just is a testament to how fast Miley grew out that she'd be 17 and the interviewer would be saying, oh, get married. I know so young. I was thinking before he said that. I was just thinking in my head how she's so young, such a teenager, so cute.

Yeah. And then to ask married soon. Like, calm down. She's 17. She's literally a child. She's so sweet, though. I know. She's just so good at like, having fun within years. I know she seems so carefree, she just talks so easily. The guy next to her was JP from Fresh Meat. Exciting and was. Was Usher. Also there Usher was there too. Yeah. It it's they do seem different. Like he does seem more reserved and not quiet, but speaks much more slowly and carefully. And she's a lot more like

bubbling energetic. Yeah. Like he's, he's not gonna say too much. Yeah. But so then in August of that year, Liam's Rep confirmed to Pupil that the two have split after a year, a year after they first met and or a year after they were first reported to be dating. What already? It's over. Just kidding, because then as the whole. Happens. A month later, it seems that the breakup was short lived because they are photographed kissing in a car in LA. OK. So that's their first breakup. OK.

So then in early November that year, Liam has been back home in Australia for almost a month. Can put a stress on any relationship. And while there, witnesses claimed that Liam looked single after he was spotted partying with a blonde Australian model at a club in Melbourne. What? Meanwhile, on November 21st, she had a big 18th birthday party and while there she was spotted kissing victorious star Even Hagia. He plays. I've actually never watched Victoria. Me neither.

I don't know the character's name, but he has brown hair. He's kind of like a rocker looking guy on that show. So it seems like her and Liam might be broken up right now. But then in December, you guys remember this. A video is leaked of Miley smoking a bong while partying. And the video was filmed by an alleged friend five days after her 18th birthday. And in the video, she rips the bong and is laughing a lot. And she's very all over the

place. And she points to someone off camera and she says, is that a Liam look alike or like, what the hell is that? Is that Liam? Is that my boyfriend? And then you hear the friend. The friend says, stop that. Don't talk about that. That's a buzzkill. But Miley keeps saying he looks so much like Liam. He looks so much like my boyfriend. So it's like, are they broken up? It seems like. Why would that be a buzzkill though?

Exactly. And like, she was just making out with someone the other day, so they must be on a break maybe, maybe like because he's home in Australia for a month, they're on a break and they're going to get back together or something. But that's strange. Yeah, it already seems like there's some issues. So then it's 2011 and it's February and Miley is filming her new movie So Undercover, which apparently was a really bad movie. I don't remember that.

It never was really released. It had a very small release and then I think was like straight to DVD or something. I don't know why. Like she's such a big star, even if it's a bad movie. I guess it can happen to anybody. Yeah, but it was rumored maybe she was dating her Co star from that movie, but it never got confirmed or went anywhere. And then in March, she is on an Australian radio show and she was asked if she was dating anyone and she said I may or may not be single, but I love

Australian boys, obviously. And when asked about Liam, she said we're very close. I'm not going to comment too much. So it's definitely like in a Gray area. Yeah, and then in April, they're back together. Be well, it seems, because they're spotted in a car together. And meanwhile, this month is when Liam is announced to be playing GAIL in The Hunger Games. Oh my God. So he's becoming a bigger star. Was a big role for him. Turning point.

Yeah. So it's 2012 now, and things seem to be going very well for them. They're both very much together and they appear in love. They're outwardly a couple, there's no Gray area anymore. And in March, the 1st Hunger Games comes out and they walk the red carpet together. And around this time, it's actually rumored that they might be engaged. After, of course, Miley starts wearing a ring on that finger. Oh my gosh, is that on our drinking game? I think it. Might be.

Take a drink. Should be. If you're not driving right now, take a drink people. Why do they always do as they always wear a ring on their ring finger? It's so weird. Has to be on purpose. And then act like annoyed slash surprise when people think they're engaged. It's like you're not marrying any other ring except a ring on that finger. That's the wedding ring finger.

I feel like it also doesn't have to be a diamond ring for people to think it's an like a, an engagement ring doesn't have to be a diamond. Any ring on that finger signals engaged or married. It's true. I feel like it's good that people walk around with like, you know, their relationship status so you don't accidentally hit on someone. Yeah, and embarrass yourself. I know it's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, Miley denies this. She treats. I'm not engaged.

I've worn the same ring on this finger since November. People just want to find something to talk about. It's Topaz people. So. You can have a Topaz engagement ring, but a few months, a few months later, in June, a 19 year old Miley tells People magazine in a statement. I'm so happy to, I'm so happy to be engaged and look forward to a life of happiness with Liam. What? She keeps denying things on Twitter and then it they turn out to be true. It's so weird. Why is she doing this?

You can't trust her. You know, this was when she was wearing her iconic topknot bun. I don't know if you guys remember, there were these buns, a Twitter handle, Miley's bun. She wore that. Everywhere. Yes. This was one of my favorite eras of Miley. Yeah, mine too. I love the bun. But just as quickly as she let it go, in August that year, she cut her hair, which was a changing points in her career in this relationship. In her public image, she dyed it platinum blonde.

People freaked out. People did not like it. Very short. Very short. Yes, I mean she's gorgeous, she can rock any hairstyle, but this really marked the beginning of her bangers era. Yes. Which was a cultural reset. Her bad girl era. Yeah, and this was AI mean, you guys remember it was a massive departure from Disney. And I feel like I would liken it to JoJo Siwa's transition right now where like people definitely.

It was so shocking because it was so different from what people were used to that people were definitely like making fun of it a lot. So this is when the song We Can't Stop came out. At the time, not quite yet, but I guess I jumped ahead. But I remember when it came out, I remember saying out loud it was like the worst song ever. But I actually love it now. But. It is the music video. It's funny because they have those lip balms in it that are. Oh yeah, the Essos.

Essos, yeah, they're like a little circle. Yeah, obviously. But it's like I rewatched it. I was like this kind of an ad, yeah. I love the look of that video though, it's very cool. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I would say this era is defined by a lot of more like hip hop and club inspired music, a lot of twerking. She stuck out her tongue all the time. I was just about to say that she's naked a lot. I feel like it's a lot of shock factor.

She's trying to shock people. And I love Miley, but I feel like definitely I've, I hear some of the criticism that she's like appropriating hip hop music at this time too. Like I feel like people she's like twerking, but in a way that's like kind of making a mockery of it because people are kind of making a mockery of her, even though I think she's doing it earnestly. It's like kind of like I'm so crazy. I don't know.

Yeah. But so, yeah, then there are reports that Liam is getting very frustrated with Miley's constant tweeting and especially tweeting stuff about their personal life. And September of that year, she tweeted Ever feel like you just no, she says. Ever feel like you want just ever feel like you just want dot dot dot something more? Not sure what exactly. Dot dot dot passion, perhaps? Then she tweeted no, there is not trouble in paradise. dot dot dot just thoughts.

And apparently he was really embarrassed by that. Interesting. Yeah, I would be too. She also tweeted, Sometimes I feel like I love everyone more than they love me. Hate that feeling, which is sad. I feel like anyone in her position would feel that way. When you're kind of like a product or other people to make money off of, yeah. She also tweeted. Why do I torture myself and whatnot. PS I love you. Ah, I gotta put it all together. I have to. I have to pull it all together,

yeah. Crazy. Little yeah, it's a little erratic at this time. Liam was also away filming The Hunger Games, Catching Fire in North Carolina. I don't know if they're having issues with that. Yes, this, this was a time still where people were kind of posting whatever thought went through their head, but I still feel like some people took it further than others and she kind of seems like that kind of person. Yeah, she seems to have low

impulse control at this time. We've had a couple people like that on the show. Yes. Well, not on the show as a guest, but you know. I mean, Liam, I think also has low impulse control, but in a different way because then in December, once again he gets in another bar fight. Oh my goodness. So you weren't just making this up? No. No. What about him being hot? Yeah, yeah, no, it came from somewhere. So then it's January 2013 and Miley was talking to Cosmo and said about Liam.

I'll literally look at him and be like you are hot. Dear God. The other day I turned on the pool heater and it was steaming and he walked outside and took off his clothes and jumped in the pool. I was like I'm going to faint. The hottest guy of my life in a steaming pool. This looks like a Playgirl shoot. That's cute also. I know she also said. So I took a photo and made it the background on my phone. My best friend grabbed my phone and was like who's that? He's so hot.

That's my hubby. It's my hubby. Yeah, so because she used the word hubby, naturally people are wondering if they are already married, but they're not. So then it's February and Lina and Miley have been engaged for eight months. However, there are multiple reports, many different news sources that say that Liam was getting hot and heavy with actress January Jones at a pre Oscars party. What like, where would that come from specific a pre Oscars party? There is going to be pressed there.

So I kind of tend to believe it. What the hell? A source claims that they were all over each other and even kissed. However, sources tell enews that Miley and Liam are totally fine. Don't know what to make about that in March. Breakup rumors continue to swirl, which is amplified by the fact that Liam took a one way trip home to Australia in March with no plans to come home. People say I don't know how they know that. And he and Miley are taking a break and.

Maybe he just didn't get his ticket back yet. Yeah, I know. I mean, he's ready. She doesn't have to back down to then. It's April, and it's reported that Miley and Liam have postponed their wedding due to ongoing issues. Oh no. A source tells People magazine that Miley and Liam had another agreement. I'm sorry, another argument before the weekend. Another agreement would be good. Another argument before the weekend and the engagement ring is off again.

Oh my gosh. So this is signaling a lot of on and off. Like it sounds like the engagement ring comes off, it comes off. Another source says they don't want to get married until they figure out all of their problems. But Miley is very worried about losing Liam. She is crazy about him. It's crazy how long ago this was this. I know this story is going to be. There's a lot more to go. I know over 10 years ago. It's crazy.

So in May, Miley did an interview with V Magazine, and she tries to negate any breakup rumors by saying that she and Liam just lead very busy lives and that they don't have time to be photographed when they're together and that they would often just hang out at home. And maybe. Yeah. But it's interesting is at this time, Miley is photographed a lot out and about, and she's consistently not wearing the ring. And then she is wearing the ring, but at this point she's

been wearing it for a couple. Weeks I I love Miley, but I feel like at this point we can't really trust what she says. No, he's already lied to us. So then it's June and Liam actually joined Twitter even though he didn't have issues with it, and he followed Miley. And it's interesting because he was so against it. But I literally already said that. So then it's June 20th, and Miley and Liam are photographed together for the first time in five months. They're leaving a movie theater

holding hands. Also, Miley goes on Good Morning America and the reporter asked if wedding bells are in her future. And Miley says I'm wearing a ring. So seems like it's back on. Yeah. Then the next month, they went on vacation to Canada together. Things seem to be OK. In August, they walked the red carpet at the premiere of his new movie Paranoia. But then August 25th, this was Miley's infamous VMA performance when she twerked on stage with a

foam finger. Robin Thicke mm Hmm during his performance of Blurred Lines. Blurred lines. I always associate blurred lines and we can't stop together. Me too. They just go together. I will say I rewatched the clip and I hate to say this but if I was Liam I would have not been cool with that performance cuz she's like unless he signed off on it like she's like grinding up on him and like. Yeah, remind me, I haven't watching forever. She's like, really?

He's like following her around on stage and she's takes the foam finger like puts it on his Dick. She starts grinding on him like twerking on him like wow her butt. Her butt is like where his Dick is like it's very sexually explicit. She looks like she's naked because she's wearing a skin

color bodysuit. And I I hate to be this way because I don't want to be like a prude or like shaming my The only reason I'm saying this if you're in a relationship and the other person isn't comfortable with that. It's understandable. It is understandable. Yeah. Like I think if I saw my boyfriend, like all up on another girl, even though I know it's a part of a performance, I feel like maybe you have to agree with it. But I guess two sides of the coin. He's an actor.

He makes out with people in movies and stuff. This is her job. He did make out with Jennifer Lawrence in the movies. So I don't, I don't know, I kind of see both sides. Yeah, but we don't, we don't know the whole story. Like I would be curious, not that it's our business, but if he knew about it and like how much was told to him. I wonder if he knew that like, Oh yeah, we're going to be silly.

Like, I'm going to do this with a phone finger, but maybe, yeah, maybe he didn't know the whole extent. Also, it's OK to like change your mind later too if you realize that wasn't cool. Yeah, exactly. Well, the tabloids are reporting that Liam was allegedly mortified by her performance and that her new persona is not what he signed up for, which I guess I would say to that. It's like, that is Miley Cyrus. Like, she literally has a song. You can't be. I can't be tamed.

Yeah. Here I was just a second ago like defending Liam, but now I'm like oh that sucks for Miley. It's sad. I know she doesn't like her new interests twerking and sticking out her tongue. I know, but news breaks soon after that they have officially

broken up and OK, this is crazy. One day later, Liam was photographed making out with Mexican American singer Elsa Gonzalez. Liam and yeah, they were spotted running errands and workout clothes together, which someone at the time said that seems like something you do with, not someone you're casually seeing, like working out together. Well, let's run some errands. Like what? One day after I'm sure like the announcement wasn't maybe the day they broke. Up, but that's.

So soon. I'd be pissed if I was Miley. Yeah. How did you line that up so quickly? You had to have been maybe texting this girl on the side. Just slap in the face how quickly I was replaced and now you're thinking to me when you fuck her. Oh, it's too odd to know. Yeah. Also weirdly, that same month, this girl Elsa is photographed in a store next to a mannequin that's wearing the same outfit that Miley wore during the VMA

performance. And there's a framed photo of Miley during in, like in her outfit next to the mannequin and this girl's photograph, like pointing to it and grimacing. Oh my gosh, yeah. OK, that's, that's a lot, yeah. And then the Wrecking Ball music video comes out. Crazy. That was huge. So big. But see, that was like huge, but like kind of a joke. Kind of, yeah. But at the time people said it was a good song. I think people actually liked it.

I remember, I feel like we talked about this on the podcast. I just remember in College in the dorms, everyone had would have their doors open and stuff and everybody was watching this music video when it came out, like at the same time. It definitely got so much attention, mileage, crying. It's very emotional. I think it's a good song. But she's like on the Wrecking Ball and then like licking naked and then like licking the sledgehammer. It's like it is weird.

It is weird she did that because it is such an emotional, heartfelt song. OK, but now that I'm thinking about it, maybe she was naked as like a fuck you to Liam because she's like you. You don't like this new behavior. This is like an emotional song about you. I'm going to embrace to rebel. I'm going to embrace what you hate about me. Maybe. Maybe that's kind of smart. Especially the licking the sledgehammer. Yeah, maybe that kind of makes sense. Yeah, because it did feel out of place.

Yeah, so then in November, seems like Miley's maybe moving on to she was spotted making out with Benji Madden while she's out partying in LA. Oh, I did not know that. They both continue to be linked to other people into the new year. He is linked with Nina Dobrev. I didn't know that either. Yeah, and she's linked with with Kellen Lutz. I didn't. Know that either? I know. No, but later I didn't. But later Kellen denied it, he said. I never dated Miley, but maybe they hooked up. Maybe.

So random, though. Yeah. So then in April, Miley gave an interview with Elle magazine, and she spoke a little bit about their breakup. She said when I went through a really intense breakup, you know, I was engaged. And when I was with him or when I was on Disney, the thing that gave me the most anxiety was not knowing what to do with myself when Disney wasn't there to carry me anymore. Or if I didn't have him. I lay in bed at night by myself, and I'm totally OK.

And that's so much stronger than the person three years ago. Who would have thought that they would have died if they didn't have a a boyfriend? Well, that's good. Yeah. That she feels like she won't die if like, I know it's understandable to feel like you would die without somebody or something, but you don't want to feel that just about having a boyfriend, you know?

Yeah, but it's interesting because that tweet she put out when she originally denied that they were together, she said I would be so depressed if that was my reason to breathe. Oh yeah. What the hell is going on? Is she just like pretending to be this like super independent crazy girl? Maybe it's kind of so. I know. Then in June, an unreleased. I mean, she is kind of often in a relationship.

She's not single that often. In June, an unreleased smiley song called The Last Goodbye was leaked on the Internet and some people think that the lyrics were about Liam. They are. How has my best friend become such a stranger? It seems like everything was fine. We've already been through this twice and I'm never coming home for a last goodbye. So already it seems like they're pretty rocky. They've broken up, gone back together multiple times.

Yeah. Around this time, Liam said that spending more time with Jennifer Lawrence, who laughs all day and is funny, helped him be more present following his foot with Miley. Interesting. Meanwhile, it seems like Miley is dating Patrick Schwarzenegger. Oh yeah, I remember that. But doesn't, I mean, I don't know. We don't know her. But doesn't Miley laugh all day? Seems like it. Yeah.

So in December, Chris Hemsworth, Liam's brother, was on the cover of GQ. And he said, I've watched Liam do things I did at his age, like being in relationships he shouldn't be in or being reckless just to prove a point. And I had no empathy. My mom had to remind me I was the same way. I. Had no empathy. Interesting. Is he talking about Miley? I know. So then it's 2015, and Liam is interviewed by Men's Fitness, and he said about the breakup. You fall in love with who you

fall in love with. You can never choose. I guess some people just come with a little more baggage. I mean, look, we were together five years. So I don't think those feelings will ever change. And that's good because that proves to me that it was real. It wasn't just a fling. Wow, that's actually really sweet. I know he's really opening up.

Then a month later, an animal shelter tweeted out a photo of Liam holding a new dog and they wrote Thanks Miley Cyrus for loving dogs as much as we do. He helped find this gigantic 6 month old puppy a new home. Liam Hemsworth, you will, you will give this deserving baby a great life. What? Yeah, so my. Animal shelter leaked to the world that they're back together. Yes. What? Oh my gosh.

And just aside now, it also seems like maybe something more had happened with Liam and Jennifer Lawrence while Miley and him were on a break because she Jayla goes on Andy Cohen's show Watch What Happens Live. And he asked her if they had ever kissed off screen. And she said, Liam and I grew up together. Liam was really hot.

What would you have done? I also don't understand saying that we grew up together because aren't you guys like still kind of filming The Hunger Games or like it just ended? Has the last movie come out yet? I don't know. But it's like we're not like 10 years past it. So you guys are still kind of in that same age group from when you met I think. And they were, I mean, they were young, but they were probably like 20. I don't know how it's like grew up. Together. Yeah, it's weird.

We grew up. Is it like you guys weren't in Harry Potter? I know. Oh my gosh. And it's funny. We're still in the same decade from the movies, but it's 2016 January and photos come out of Miley and Liam in Australia spending New Year's together at a music festival. And then in March, in an interview with Entertainment Tonight, Dolly Parton, who is Miley's godmother, was asked about Liam and Miley and she said. I was really happy to hear that they've gotten back together and

seems like they are. Soon afterwards they were photographed getting lunch with Chris Hemsworth. Wow, it seemed like it was so over. I know for this, yeah. I mean, they were broken up for like, I would say at least like a year and a half. Wow. How do you even like, I guess like, how do you get back together? I don't know. I just don't get it. I guess they just text or call and yeah wow, they must always have like 1 foot still kind of near the door or the door not fully closed. Wow.

So then, let's see. I know we, we have said this on the podcast before, but it must be crazy. Imagine being her friends. Oh I know it must be kind of I, I feel a little bad for their friends 'cause you never know what to say, what side to be on. Like, do we love Liam? Do we hate him? You know? I've been in the situation. It's like you kind of can't say anything bad. If they get back together, you're going. To come back around, yeah.

Yeah, but sometimes you need your friend to hate them in order to be like, OK, yeah, I can't date someone who everybody in my life hates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard. So then Miley posted an Instagram of Liam with his dog and she captioned it. So much love in this pic. And a few hours later Liam posted a photo of Miley. But I don't really know what the caption was because it's now. Deleted. I'm sad. But they're like back together and they're open about it. It's.

Back on. It's interesting because this reconciliation definitely coincides with a dissolution of Miley's bangers persona. She's definitely having a metamorphosis once again. Sources close to the couple are saying that Miley is a changed person and that she is partying less, doing yoga and living a healthier lifestyle. So it's kind of putting all the blame on her for the breakup.

It definitely also aligns with her album that's going to be coming out soon, her Younger Now album, where she's kind of like rejecting who she was during bangers and saying like, I don't have to be that person anymore. And I feel like that's kind of one of Miley's downfalls. Like she doesn't commit to a personality very long. I guess how humans are like we're not always one person, but like as a celebrity, it's I

think sometimes hard for her. She has obviously characteristics that stay with her over time like being this like outspoken person, but she definitely is constantly having a rebrand. I hate what you mean, it doesn't feel like she's really building off of the last project. It's like every time she's scrapping it and saying what I was doing last time wasn't me like now this. Is me. Yeah, exactly. She's I feel like she's getting maybe less like that now.

Yeah, but she seems like she's struggled with that for a while, which makes sense if you grew up on Disney Channel and you've only known celebrity. Yeah. Kind of be confusing like who am I? Totally. A source tells People magazine that Miley is doing everything to please and make Liam happy, and that before, Liam couldn't handle when Miley acted nutty. See, I hate that that that would make me feel crazy.

That does upset me. And I feel like whenever a guy calls a woman crazy, it becomes, like, you turn crazy because, like, if someone's calling you crazy, it, like, turns you into that, you know? Yeah. But another source says that Miley's problem was that she thought Liam was boring when he complained. Another source says Miley never got over Liam, despite them constantly fighting. Before the split, Miley always said Liam is the love of her life.

There were so many things that she loved about their relationship. They had a lot of fun and Liam was mostly very supportive of Miley it seemed. She was always hoping and dreaming that they one day could get back together. Sweet. And she also went on Ellen and she showed off her engagement ring and she confirmed that they are, in fact still engaged. Wow. Yeah, I was curious. We've talked about this too before, Like when? Well, I mean, this was more extreme.

It was Paul Simon and Carrie Fisher. But how they were like, married and then go back together. This is not as dramatic as that. But I was wondering, are they just boyfriend, girlfriend or fiance's again, you know? Yeah, it would be hard to have like a demotion. Yeah, they were so young when they were engaged. That like they were. I don't think it would be weird to be like, OK, let's kind of start over. Yeah, like at the the end of Mamma Mia spoiler Oh.

I've not seen it. Oh, you haven't? No. Oh, what the fuck? You've never seen Mamma Mia? No, I haven't. What that's? Crazy. Are you sure? I could have sworn we went in theaters together. We did watch it together, but I fell asleep. Oh my gosh. Through no faults of my own, I was tired. Whose fault is it? Just, I don't know Father Time. You always fall asleep during movies my.

Philosophy is if you start feeling like you're about to fall asleep during a movie and you cannot keep your eyes open, you, there's nothing you can do. You have to give into it. Otherwise you just like will fall asleep anyway. I don't. Know if that's true? Well, yeah, at that. Sorry to spoil but at the end of the movie they stay together but they decide not to get married, which always kind of upset me because the whole movie is preparing for the wedding. I'm like what the hell?

Yeah. No when? Like what the heck. I get it, but it's a little disappointing. Anyway, anyway, so Miley throws Liam a 27th birthday party and she posts on Instagram. Happiest birthday ever. It's my favorite being ever ever ever. You have been my best friend since the day we met. I am beyond lucky to share so many animals with you. I love you and. That's so cute. I know it is. I know I don't know the whole story yet.

I'm like worried there's going to be some shoe that drops that tells me that Miley was cheating the whole time or something. But she I think she really loved him. OK, Because I was going to say that. I just think she's so loving. So there's so much emotion in her. She's so expressive. I just think you're so lucky to be loved by Miley Cyrus if you are. Like she just seems like she's bursting with joy for the person she loves, so it's just so cute.

Totally. I think she wears her heart on her sleeve and not everyone's like that. He was really lucky, I think. I definitely think she gave it more than he did. He wasn't willing to meet her halfway. I mean, I do think she was willing to change for him a little bit, but I'm sure there was some resentment because maybe he wasn't. But so on this new Younger Now album, she has a song, Malibu. Oh yes. That song is about Liam and how she never expected that they would be back together.

And it just like paints them as being so in love and like so happy and peaceful. And it like, it is this euphoric feeling like if you do get back together with someone that you were heartbroken about, It's like, I can't believe like it worked out. She's frolicking and skipping and she's playing with balloons, which again, it's like very different from twerking. It's so much more innocent vibes and makes me wonder like how much of that is like Liam's influence? It could be a lot.

I mean, I do think people are very influenced by their relationship and who they're with. It's just inevitable, you know? Yeah, totally. I mean, I mean, some of it's good. Yeah. And they're very public. And Liam is also very affectionate. On Instagram. He posts a lot of pictures of Miley, and he often calls her his little Angel. He also posts a lot of cute, silly videos of him pranking her. And yeah, they're like, they just seem like very solid at this point.

Like they seem very in love. I feel like it almost seems like, OK, they, they were together, they broke up and now they're together and now it's like we as a society, that's Miley and Liam, like they just are two peas in a pod and we accept. Them, they seem solid. They can't be kept apart. Yeah, they made it. They're together. All felt right in the world. Yeah, Miley was asked by the son when they be getting married and she said I'm just riding this out.

I don't envision marriage. I'm 24. I hope I get what? She's like 24. I know, I know, she says. I have too much living to do. Yeah. She's so young, crazy. And then she went on Howard Stern and she admitted that she's like, it's nervous whenever Liam works with other actresses, which I think is refreshing to admit. Like she's so honest, so refreshing. I'm sure everybody else feels that way too. Yeah, wow. Thank you, Miley. I know. She says I keep little spies so

I don't have to be there. Wow. I know I love it. OK, because sometimes there's been people on this podcast that we've talked about that make me feel like we're different species or something because they don't have jealousy and I'm just like how I don't understand how they. Do this. They're lying. Cool. So then it's 2018 and based on their public appearances, things seem good. But sadly their Malibu home burnt down in a massive wildfire at this time.

They lost many personal items in the fire, pretty much everything they had in that house. And it makes me sad because Miley had just been on Jimmy Kimmel a few weeks before and she was talking a lot about how sentimental she was and like how she holds on to things and how that's one of their disagreements and their relationship. And and Jimmy Kimmel was like, what kind of stuff do you hoard? And she was like, well, it's not hoarding.

It's like collecting. And she said she still hold on to the pack of peanuts that were served on the plane when she flew from Tennessee to California, when she landed the role of Hannah Montana. And she was like that, that pack of peanuts, like, represented this huge change in my life. Like, she seems very sentimental. And like you said, yeah, like, when she loves something, she loves it. So it's just so sad to think about all those things being gone.

That's one of my biggest fears. I know it's kind of material materialistic, but my gosh, I feel so bad. And then she talked about the fire on Howard Stern and that is the next clip. Oh, OK, let me see. Did you just give a half $1,000,000 to the fire? There were fires in Malibu, your house. Your house is destroyed, right? Yeah, and you have, like a menagerie of animals. You got, what, seven dogs? Yeah. How many horses I have now? Two horses that are big size and then I have too many.

Yeah, two pigs. Too many horses Two big horses 3. Cats. Yeah, So what happens when a fire is going down? So actually like Liam, I've never loved him more for this. This is your boyfriend. Yes. He's not say yeah, kind of yeah. Ish. Which part? My partner, I call him my survival partner now. And he thinks it's not romantic, but I learned that it is. That is why you pair up with someone is for survival. And he, it was so incredible. He got all the animals out in his truck.

He put two pigs in crates, which I told you is so hard. Yes. I said, how did you get them out? And he said the only thing I could do was get a really powerful hose and spray them in the ass. So he just chased the pigs into it, which was genius. And actually, I was kind of glad that I wasn't there because I think the thing that got a lot of people in trouble was in California, we have fires all

the time. And it's it's a little cry wolf sometimes because you don't know when it's actually going to get to you. And I think that you think there's no way this could actually happen to me. Neil Young lost his house, right? Yeah. And I was thinking about that too, because I was thinking that just that my age and the amount of songs that I've written, and that was the hardest thing for me to for me to lose was every song, including Malibu, I lost because I always write it on paper.

Oh, you mean in the Malibu house? Was my song writing book that I wrote the lyrics in in the car so that's gone and so I was thinking about these artists and even. Why didn't you man save the book for Christ's sake if he's busy with the. Pig, he grabbed his camera. But the one thing good that was about the guy said, what do you grab? He's like my laptop and my camera. But the good thing about that was is I actually had a lot of physical pictures that obviously you lose.

It's really hard and so I'm glad he grabbed the computer. So he came. So in a fire, he he saved the animals, which you got to do first. Yeah. Then he got his camera. Yeah. Then he got his computer. His. Computer yes and then he had to go deal with my cats are so stupid they He tried to get the cats out but he was kind of trying to lead them to the truck 'cause he had the dogs and all these things and one of the cats

started running away and. Put them in a. He made the he the cats have never really been outside. And I think he started opening the door, trying to get them in and out. And the one cat just ran away. And. And I'm so glad that he didn't just say OK, you don't know what you're running into And. And got them because I like this guy. Yeah, he's really. He's really, really.

Decent guy. Yeah, I. Mean he got a lot of action for saving the animals Oh he did yeah, he got a lot of. I was going to say, when do you even have time to? Get them back. We had, we had to make sure he knew I was very, very oh. My gosh, yeah. First of all, it's so sad. I'm so traumatic. Yeah, Oh my God, that's my nightmare. Literally. Also just so scary like having to save all those animals when there's a fire approaching too like so.

Scary. Yeah, saying like my cats like, yeah, having to like race at the house. There's like smoke. Approaching. That's crazy. It was funny how she she still brought some humor into it though. Being like, my cats are so stupid. Yeah, Oh my gosh. Yeah, I love her you feel so bad for. Her. In a way, I feel like this traumatic experience, like really bonded them. Like when you go through something so intense like that with somebody else, it's like

nobody else gets it like you. You lean on that other person to understand how you're feeling. I bet. That would be so sexy though, like someone saving your beloved animals. I know. I can't believe he was by himself. That's kind of scary, I know. Wow. That's like, heroic. So this led to Miley and Liam getting married. Wow. Very soon after that, in her Tennessee home, they got married in a very private, spur of the moment, low key ceremony.

Miley wore a satin ivory made to order Vivian Westwood dress for $8600, which is a lot of money by my standards. But like, for a celebrity, it seems pretty like she bought it online. Like it wasn't, you know? Huge thought out. There. I mean, some celebrities wear wedding dresses that are like $30 million or something. Yeah, OK, maybe that's generation 30,000. I don't know. Anything like over 10,000 beyond my tax bracket. She was barefoot and Liam Ward does a black suit and white

sneakers. So super cash this wedding. And she posted something on Instagram along the lines of 10 years later, but I couldn't actually find the post that's based on my memory from the time because it was deleted. No. I know, so sad, but guys. What? This sucks.

It's like one of those things that once they get married, there's a shift and things keep going in the opposite direction and you want them to 2019. Now, January, Chris Hemsworth goes on a radio show and he says that Miley and Liam are not yet officially married. But I think at some point they do get married. Wait, so like after the ceremony? Yeah, he said. They. Still weren't married? That's weird. Yeah, but some point they do get

married, so I don't know when. So it's April and they are at The Avengers premiere and Miley and Liam posed on the red carpet and a paparazzi guy says to Miley. Miley give him a kiss and she pretends to lick him and he says this is based off the interpretation of people who read lips. He apparently says can you behave for once? Oh my God. And then she makes a face. Then they pose separately and

then they pose together again. And it seems like he goes into like, tickle her stomach, but then she swats him away and she just poses by herself and she like, fluffs up her hair and she's like, look at me. And she's very independent. So people think that signals he's like oppressing her and like very loaded, yes. I mean, I feel like this kind of jump into conclusions, like people get annoyed with their

partner and say stuff like that. I don't know if you from one comment you can say like he's oppressing and controlling her. But yeah, but that is not good when you start to say and people, I've done it too, but it's not good when you start to say things like you always do this, you never do that like saying can you behave yourself for once, that is. Very hurtful especially when she's just being playful and having fun like what she did. Like pretend to lick him like

not a big deal. Like he needs to lighten up if he has a. Problem with that. So in May, Liam is on the cover of Australia GQ and he says that him and Miley eventually want kids but right now they can't because they have too many animals. Meanwhile, they attend the Met Gala together and guys spoiler this is their last public appearance together. It's ending so quickly after they got married, we. Didn't know it at the time. But they're still together.

In June, Liam posts a photo of Miley to promote her new EP She Is Coming, which is now venturing back into Miley's rebellious, a little bit more sexually explicit side. I know. So, you know, I don't know if she started to feel comfortable because she had the ring on her finger, which is like, yeah, you should feel comfortable if you're married. But it's definitely very different from this, like seemingly repressed side that she had on younger. Now, this album, I wasn't that

successful. It didn't have many hits. She had that hit like mother's daughter. But I don't know. But Liam seems supportive at first. He took a picture of her and captioned it. Girls Got Talent. She might just make it. dot, dot, dot. Wow, Wow. To the awesome dude me for taking such an incredible photo. Hashtag husband goals. OK. And then in July, a month later, Miley is interviewed by Elle. And she says, I think it's very confusing to people that I'm married, but my relationship is

unique. And I don't know that I would ever publicly allow people in there because it's so complex and modern and knew that I don't think we're in a place where people get, she says wait. And knew that I don't think we're in a place where people get it. I mean, do you really think that I'm home in a fucking apron cooking dinner? I'm in a hetero relationship but I still am very sexually attracted to women.

Oh. But so this is what's interesting because I interpret that as her saying that they're not monogamous, maybe because she's saying it's so complex and modern. Like otherwise, like what? What? Even if you are a bi or pansexual girl in a hetero relationship, If it's not, if it's monogamous, it's still pretty traditional, kind of. Yeah. Is this the first time she said no? I I have other thoughts but is this the first time she said that she wasn't straight or she

been saying that for a while? I think she had said it previously, but this is the first time I feel like it's really getting a lot of attention. Yeah, I feel like saying that it's modern and, you know, I'm not just at home. Like it would make me think, oh, are you in an open marriage? Well, also it's the fact that she says people wouldn't get it. That's what's making they wouldn't be there in an open relationship.

I know, but I, I think it's weird 'cause I don't think just being in an exclusive heterosexual marriage means you're like lame or boring. Like I don't know why she's implying that like. Obviously nobody thinks you're home with an apron. You're Miley Cyrus. I almost feel like she has. She has a very traditional view of marriage if she thinks that. That's what it is, but true.

Interesting. Very quickly after that article came out, it's reported that Miley and Lamb have split her Rep. I know her Rep shares Liam and Miley have agreed to separate at this time. I still remember where I was. I was playing a board game in my basement. Oh really? And I was just aghast, Like I was so shocked. I don't remember where I was, but I was really upset because, like I said earlier, I thought it just seemed like they

belonged together. They had kept getting back together and then they finally got married. It's been years. It's been 10 years more. So it's really sad, I know. Her Rep continues ever evolving, changing as partners and individuals. They have decided that it's what's best. While they both focus on themselves and careers, they still remain dedicated parents to all of their animals they share while lovingly taking this time apart. Please respect their process and privacy.

Oh, that's a question I should have asked you guys. When you break up, do you think you should share custody of pets that you share together? I don't know. That's really tough. It's so tough. I think it's tough if you got the pets together at this. I think if it was kind of someone's pet 1st and then you live together, I feel like the original parent gets the pet. But I don't know. I don't know what you do. That's tough. What do you think?

I think. Most of the time only one person ends up getting the pet, but I think that would be so heartbreaking to feel like you lost your partner and you lost her. Yeah. I must feel like the person who did the breaking up should be the one that sacrifices the animal. Yeah, I agree. Definitely should be the person who the pet is more attached to and the person who does more work, but so sad I do. Think.

If you're in a new relationship though, it would be so hard if your new partner was sharing custody of a dog together with an ex. Like I would get it but because. You'd have to see them and you might have to go to their house and I don't. Know yeah. And it's like the doors kind of open because they communicate all the time. Obviously people with kids do that, but it's not ideal. Like no.

It's not ideal. I mean, I feel like it's different because I think the general understanding is that the pet will be OK, but like, it's it's, it's for the best interest of kids to see both their parents. You know, it's just it's different. I know people say like their pets are their kids, but it's not the same. Yeah, I even said that my cat was my son, but it's not the same. Yeah. That is tough though. I think a lot of people do stay together because they don't want

to lose their their beloved pet. I mean, Lucy had a lot of pets. You can kind of divide them, you know, that's. Hard. That's true, that's true. So Liam posted on Instagram a photo of a sunset with the caption. Just a quick note to say that Miley and I have recently separated and I wish her nothing but health and happiness going forward. This is a private matter and I have not made, nor will I be making any comments to any journalists or media outlets.

Any reported quotes attributed to me are false. OK. I feel like at the time I thought he was so heartbroken by this statement. I'm not commenting on this like, I just thought like it sounded bereaved. Yeah, interesting.

It is a contrast. Like, I feel like Miley's kind of painted us a bad guy here at the time because she starts spamming her Instagram with vacation pictures of her in Italy with her new girlfriend already, Caitlyn Carter, who had been reported to have broken up with her husband at the time, Brody Jenner, a week earlier. And a week. Earlier, Brody Jenner and Caitlyn Carter are also like, living in Malibu. So I don't know, like, these two couples had known each other maybe.

Wow, that's crazy. It appears like Milan and Caitlin both like, broke up with their husbands and, like, ran away together. It's been exciting. I know. It's just crazy that they're like letting us in on this, Like they're very public. Yeah. So much so that I'm like, is this a publicity stunt? Are they trying to get their husband's attention? Like what is going on? Wow. But they're like posting a lot of pictures of them kissing. Like it's very, it didn't last

very long though. They broke up in September, so very quick. Wait, when was this? August. OK, I hope that girl didn't leave her husband for Miley. I know I don't know. But so obviously, like because Miley had moved on so quickly, there's a lot of backlash. And like, I'll be real, like when a man does that, there is a lot of backlash in people like our John Mulaney episode. Like people are like, this is really sad. So obviously people are going to

assume maybe you cheated. I don't think it's like a sexist thing. I think whoever moves on quickly, people think, I don't know, it leaves a bad taste in people's mouth. Yeah, but of course we don't know the whole story. Miley knows that people are upset and she tweets in response. I swung on a Wrecking Ball naked. I got kicked off Hotel Transylvania for buying Liam a penis cake for his birthday and licking it. I which I never heard about that but I lost a massive Walmart

deal at 17 for ripping a bong. I fucked up and cheated in relationships when I was young. It is no secret that I was into partying in my teens and early 20s. I have not only smoked but advocated for weed. I've experimented with drugs. My biggest song to date is about dancing on Molly and snorting lions in the bathroom. I can. Accept. Oh wait, I'll. Keep I know, worried that it's dancing with Miley. Yeah. Yeah, I know. She admitted it. She. Confirmed it's Molly. Oh my. God.

She's a little liar. She's smart though. That is smart. Like Molly and Miley sound exactly the same. Yeah. But also, it's like, what if it was Miley? But like, now because it's cooler to say Molly, so she's owning it anyway. She said I can accept that the life I've chosen means I must live completely open and transparent with my fans who I love in the public 100% of the time. What I cannot accept is being told I'm lying to cover up a crime I haven't committed.

I have nothing to hide. And then basically, like, denies that she cheated on Liam. OK. So then very quickly, Miley released a breakup song called Slide Away that kind of implies like maybe Liam partied too much and that was the reason for their breakup.

The Alamart for the song are bottles of pills and alcohol sliding into the ocean, and a friend tells People magazine everyone always thinks Miley is problematic and immature and a hardcore partier while he's this chill surfer dude, but that's actually not accurate. Liam parties with his friends, and Miley thinks he should have grown out of that by now. Another friend says she's been supportive of him when things

get dark, but it's tough. That's something that has weighed on Miley and their relationship. He can lash out at her and he hates the attention their ups and downs bring. Wow. And she performs a song at the VMA's. She's soaked in water. Feel like it's like trying to it's like a darker spin on Malibu because it's kind of about the sea. And she says, I want my house in the hills, Don't want the whiskey and pills. I don't give up easily, but I don't think.

But I don't think I'm down. Not what we thought, maybe. Yeah, she's totally flipping the narrative. She also said move on. We're not 17. I'm not who I used to be. You say that everything changed. You're right. We're grown now. Interesting. So sad. It's sad. What the heck? At this point, it's like we're grieving so. But yeah, her and Caitlin Carter didn't last.

And then very quickly Miley is publicly dating Cody Simpson and what again, like very do you remember this like Cody Simpson were super public and like very heavy on the PDAI don't. Know why I'm I don't even know if this happened but in my mind I imagine them like using tongue, like making out.

I feel like they did like it was, it was tough, not going to lie, because it seemed like like we, we thought you and Liam were end game, you know, parasocial relationships and who's like guy, I know Cody Simpson, like what? Wait, he's Australian? Is he Australian? I think he is. Oh, that's odd. Let. Me see. Yep, Australian. Wow, that was.

Wild. He was in all the teen magazines like Bop Magazine, Tiger Beat and stuff, but I never really knew why they were trying to make Cody Simpson happen and. Yeah. It just didn't. At least not in America. Maybe in Australia he was famous, but. He's like a textbook like rebound replacement because he kind of has like a similar body to Liam kind of surfery in a way. But like, at this point, he was like kind of rebranding too. He's very blonde though, yeah. Whereas Liam is dark hair.

Yeah, yeah. Who even is Cody since? But I know she she was acting like she's in love with this guy, just like I don't know where. She was like, and this is when she said I think I always thought I had to be a lesbian because like I need a good Dick, but I found I found good Dick which is like. My lady, didn't she say that doing a lie? Instagram live or something? Maybe, Yeah. Oh, that was bad. Is that the exact? Quote. I don't. I don't know if that was. Let me look at that maybe.

But see her saying that kind of reiterates what I was saying that it almost seems like she feels self-conscious. I don't know why. I mean, I think it's great that she wants to be visibly queer and that she's done a lot of advocacy for gay rights she has. But like, she feels, she seems like, self-conscious about the fact that she deep down, like, loves these men. You know what I mean?

It's like the way she said like, oh, our marriage isn't conventional, and then now saying like, oh, I thought I had to be. Yeah. She's definitely self-conscious about her image, she said. Guys, I was being a little too, like, hardcore feminist vibes and just, like, I don't know, not allowing anyone in. But now I am. There are good men out there, guys. Don't give up. You don't have to be gay. There are good people. There are good people with Dicks out there.

You just got to find them. You got to find a Dick that's not a Dick. You know what I mean? Oh my goodness. She says. I always thought I had to be gay because I just thought all guys are evil, but that's not true. There are good people out there that just happen to have Dicks. I've only ever met one and he's on this live. Oh my God, Cody Simpson. This D is fire. Is he really the only good man

you've ever met? I. Know what about your husband that is kind of problematic because it does make it sound like guys like you just need to find a good Dick. Yeah, it's like implying that like lesbians are only with other women because they've never found the right man. Miley, that was. Bad. This is why people celebrities should not do Instagram lives. It reminds me so much of Vanessa Hudgens. Yes, people are going to die, but inevitable. Maybe I shouldn't be saying.

This, I almost thought this was worse when Miley said for some reason like, yeah, because. I mean, nobody really knew what was going on at the start of COVID, that everybody was flailing. And it's kind of understandable. Yeah. But this is just like a overarching, yeah. And then we kind of, she was like, I was in my hardcore feminist era. It's like, oh God, it's like it makes it seem. It makes it seem like it was a little performative before, which is like a stereotype sometimes too so.

Yeah, I know. That's true. Miley, Miley. I think that's the thing, I love Miley and I love, I love like all the things that make her unique. But I think sometimes those can also be her like Achilles heel because she can be like a little uneducated about things or like a little impulsive and not really think things through. And I think that can be her downside. It's so we, I mean, people are always full of contradictions. Everybody is, I think.

But it's interesting how she seemed so much like someone who doesn't give an F, like don't doing her own thing. She's crazy. But she does ultimately seem to care so much about her image and what people think. And she's always changing her mind. And you know, it's interesting. She's a complicated character.

His sister-in-law, Liam's sister-in-law Elsa Tadaki, who is married to Chris Hemsworth, told reporters at an event in Madrid. My brother-in-law, well, after a relationship where he dedicated 10 years, he's discouraged, but he's taking it well. He's a strong guy and he deserves the best. I think he deserves much more. OK, in laws are coming forward. I know they're, you know, and so Miley and Liam settled their divorce, so obviously they must

have really been married. No. And then she puts out in 2020 her album Plastic Hearts, and there's a song seemingly about Liam called What the Fuck Do I Know? And the lyrics are am I wrong that I moved on and and I don't even miss you, thought that it'd be you until I die, but I let go. What the fuck do I know? Wow, don't even miss you. I know in 2020 this and now Miley and Cody Simpson are broken up so maybe she didn't really find good Dick. After all, it got boring after a while.

Yeah, yeah. But it's 2021 and in May Miley makes a post to celebrate the four year anniversary of Malibu. And she wrote a song about a place and a person that at the time I loved very much. And then? At the time. At the time. Yeah. In June, she went on Joe Rogan and she talked about the breakup and the backlash and she said, I recently just went through a very public divorce that fucking

sucked or really sucked about. It wasn't the fact that me and someone that I loved realize that we don't love each other the way that we used to anymore. That's OK. I can accept that. I can't accept the villainizing and the just all the stories. It's just amazing to me that the public kind of thinks that there's no gap of time that they didn't see the see that could possibly be what led to this.

Like, it's not one day you were happy and then on the red carpet, and then the next day you were making out with your friend in Italy. What the fuck? There was a lot of time in between that you didn't see. Yeah, I believe that. I believe it. But I will say they got married in December. We broke up like in August. It was less than a year. I feel like time is relative at this point. Like we did see them happily together. It seemed like up until then we thought, you know.

I know, unless we're supposed to think that they when they got married, we're like in a terrible place or something, but I doubt it. It's just not the speed that usual relationships. Yeah, Yeah. She also compared their relationship to an addiction. She said, actually, the one I called the love of mine who I was with, and we got divorced. It was almost like a pacifier. It was that thing that I just needed, not because we were in love anymore, but because of the comfort and because my brain

said, oh, this feels better. This is comforting. But actually knowing that I was giving into an addiction made me feel worse. I had that hangover. It felt like a relapse every time I got back. That's so sad, but that is mature for her to realize. I guess so, but like dating those other people right after to me seems like the same exact. I mean, what's the difference? Yeah, I know that's. So true.

I'm not saying you have to be alone, but I just, if you're like, trying to break an addiction from one thing to like just. Jump into the, I don't know, I, I kind of tend to agree with you because they it was like so passionate too and like so all over the place. She was like, oh, taking it slow with code. No, no, she said, men in my life have told me I'm a cold fucking bitch because I leave when things are done. I'm really into a lot of freaky things, but I don't fuck dead

guys. When it's over, it's over and you're dead to me and I move on, which is nice, but I again, I love Miley, but Miley, that's not true. Like when it's over, it's not over because you've had two relationships now that we've covered that have been so incredibly off and on. It's like she wants it to be true. I know, but it's not. Yeah, maybe she just has a different definition of over, but yeah. I mean, I wouldn't even say that about I'm not that kind of person.

I would not say like when it's over, it's over. Like, no, I definitely still hold on and have feelings for forever. So it's like she feels like pressured to be this super independent woman. It's kind of sad, I know. I I agree. I feel like she's like she's ashamed to admit to this vulnerability of feeling the need to be with someone. Like she only says stuff like this when it's like in the past, like I felt like I needed a boyfriend at the time.

I needed this, but now I don't. But it's like, you said that but then like gone back together with him. So I don't know. In 20/22 she was performing at Lollapalooza in Brazil and a fan got proposed to in the crowd and she said yes forever bitch. Yes. Congratulations honey, I hope your marriage goes better than mine. Mine was a fucking disaster. Oh no. Oh, and we're almost. We're almost a present day in 2023. Miley dropped her single flowers on Liam's birthday.

I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know it either. That's crazy. This is, like, Miley's biggest hit in a while. Like, she hadn't, like, dominated the charts before the song in a hot minute. And this is the song that helped her win her first Grammy. And immediately people assumed that it was a dig at Liam. Obviously, it was released on his birthday.

And the story, like on social media and on TikTok that I remember seeing was that Bruno Liam had dedicated a Bruno Mars song when I Was Your Man to Miley and that now she's like, flipping this on him. But I don't know how people know that. I couldn't find it anywhere. I will say I feel like Bruno Mars should have gotten songwriting credits if that was the case because it's a catchy song but it's not super original. Because the Bruno Mars lyrics are like I wish I I should have

bought you flowers. Yeah, she says. I can buy my own flowers. I should have hold your hand. I can hold my own hand. I should have taken you dancing like I can take myself dancing. It's like, just like taking what he said and being like, I can, I can love myself. I don't think though. I don't think that you can. I don't think you have a case there though. I think it's only like when melodies are the same. I don't think if lyrics are like similar.

That's true. They can do anything about that. But yeah, that is it sounds it must be a play on Bruno Mars. So after the music video came out, there was this very common narrative on social media, mostly TikTok, that it was a reaction to Liam allegedly cheating on Miley. The day it came out, a pop culture account on Twitter

called Pop Tings tweeted. The house where the music video for Miley's Flowers was recorded was previously used by Liam Hemsworth to cheat on Miley with more than 14 women while they were married. What? And this week up 4.9 million views, 45,000 likes and 10,000 shares to date. But there's no other evidence of this and I I don't want to this pop culture. Account. Yeah, How would they know that? I have no idea. Like it is a pretty huge claim

and this became very mainstream. Like I remember seeing a lot of tik toks. Miley is changing the narrative now. Liam was a cheater this whole time. And maybe that's true. Like the January June stuff was SUS before they got married. But people are really taking it as gospel and. That could be completely made-up. I kind of think it is also their house burnt down. Yeah, true. They're acting like it was in the house they lived in together.

And so adding to that, Miley in the music video is wearing this shiny gold dress. And people are comparing that to the dress that Jennifer Lawrence wore at The Hunger Games premiere. So they think that Miley is taking a dig at Jennifer Lawrence like that. He cheated on her with Jay Law. But Jay Law was asked about this on Andy Cohen, and she goes, it's not true. A total rumor. And I believe her because we know that they hooked up. But Miley and Liam, like, I feel

like people have amnesia. The fact that they were broken up for a lot of those ten years. They weren't just like to gather the whole time. As we just said. People kind of lack that though. They're like, oh, like they were together for It's like they were broken up for a good while. During that time. It was not a consecutive 10 years. Anytime you see something on the Internet, you really have to Fact Check it right away.

Like, you can't just believe, especially if it's just like a picture that has text on it. Like, don't believe that. It's probably. Yeah, I'm just looking it up right now. Like in the video, she's wearing this tight. It's actually like a shirt and pants with, like, a hood. It's gold. And yeah, Jennifer Lawrence wore a tight gold dress, but it's not exactly the same. Yeah. Oh yeah, those are pants. I thought it was like all connected. Kind of a stretch.

I mean, is that gold Jennifer Lawrence dress even like that? Iconic. I'm surprised people noticed. I don't think so. It's like one premiere and like does Jennifer Lawrence own the color gold like also? But I had seen other theories that it was a reference to Bruno Mars because he has the song 24 karat gold. So maybe that's why she wore gold in the music video. Maybe. I do find it that whole thing a little annoying because I just don't think that that is a

verifiable claim. And now it's become mainstream and I feel like it's a lot of like, Miley fans that are pushing that narrative for the sake of the song. I get a little annoyed when people look for too much symbolism and things too, Like I don't know, I feel like it might be just a coincidence or like just 'cause it looks cool. I don't know if maybe there was a reason, but maybe it just looked good. Yeah, And at this point, too, Miley, this is like a years after.

Like this could be about a different relationship, too. But also she's wearing like a oversized suit in it. So people were like, that's Liam's suit that he wore when he said can you just behave for once on the red carpet or whatever? OK, at this point though, like The Hunger Games premiere was so long ago. I know. I feel like if I, I mean, maybe Miley really holds on to things, but I feel like I did too.

But still, if I was coming out with an album right now and coming up with the whole creative concept, the outfits, the visuals, whatever, I don't think I would be like thinking of influences and things from like eight years ago or like, you know what I mean? Just it's possible. But the 100 years, yeah, it was a long time ago. Yeah, it was literally like 10 years earlier.

Yeah. And like you said, it's just not that iconic of it. Look, no, no offense to Jennifer Lawrence, but like, I don't think she's necessarily associated with that. Yeah, if it was like her big dress that she wore to the Oscars when she tripped or something, like. Yeah, with the backwards necklace. Yeah, or like, I even remember she wore this, like, red dress to the Oscars when she was nominated for Winter's Bone. I don't know why I remember that but. I remember that too.

She looked great. Yeah. But. Any celebrity, I feel like any celebrity who's been around for a minute, like you could probably find them wearing a similar outfit if it's just like a solid color. But yeah, I mean, Miley didn't refute it, but that is actually it. That's Miley and Liam. Wow, I thought this was going to be like 3. Hours. I know, I'm actually surprised. I guess like really skipped the back stories. That's true. That's true. That was great though.

Oh my gosh, I can't believe you did all that research. Yeah, it was a lot of going back in time, but. Thank you, Mel. I almost feel like the odds of them getting back together are not zero percent. Oh no, I think me neither get back together. I honestly think they will. I could see it. I could see it. This is like. 10% chance. I don't think she was like, when it's over, it's over. But like, if this song is really about Liam, it's not really over. And if that's the case, yeah,

true. I would say 10 as well. We we said this last time, but we still haven't had a couple get back together. No, but I could see that for them. I could see not. Out of the question. It is sad, I know. It reminds me of like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, just a couple that after everything they've been through, I just, I wouldn't think that they would break up, you know? But I guess nothing is sacred in Hollywood. I know. I'm kind of interested in hearing Cody Simpson. I know.

Wait, maybe we could cover that that. Could be a fun bonus episode. Yeah, I'm honestly, there's a lot of material. Even though it was short, they gave us a lot so. Let us know if you want that guys. Next episode we are going away from Hollywood and we're going to Washington, DC. We're talking about a couple that is associated with politics, but they are not politicians. OK, I think I know one person's kind of scandalous, scandalous figure. I can't wait.

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