Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry we dressed apart? Does your man? We're back. Hi guys. Thanks for joining us again on Significant Lovers. This is a really fun episode. We're going back to the 2000s. But before you begin, I am Mel. And I'm Kel. We are two cousins, and. Yup, and we're so happy to be here. We podcast about true love stories for anyone who feels like love comes easiest to anyone else. This is not our own word.
Someone else came up with this. This is the podcast for you. Because it doesn't. Even for the rich and famous, relationships are really hard. They are, it's true. And even the one we're talking about today, these beautiful, gorgeous young starlets from the early 2000s. Even they had to deal with hardship and uncertainty. But yeah, this is our 70th episode. Wow. Oh my God, I know. Can't believe we're here. Oh my gosh, it's flown by, I feel like. I've been.
I don't know why I've been waiting for the 70s. I knew we were going to make it and I I just felt like that was going to be when we were like really in the swing of things. I don't. Know Wow, we covered so many couples. I know I still remember all the episodes at this point. Me too. I mean somebody. Know you might start to. Forget the other day, though. I was like, huh, I kind of want to cover. Don't be offended. But I was like, I kind of want to cover the Obamas.
And then I was like, wait a minute, we've already done that. OK, at least you remembered right after. No, I remembered right after. But hey, it's a compliment. That was such a good episode. So anyway, anyway, today's episode is something I'm really excited about, and I do think it's going to be a long one. So Mel, if you have to go to the bathroom at some point or something, let me know.
But. But before we get into the episode, you know, on the podcast we've talked a lot about how mental health can affect relationships and we recently learned of an organization that is doing a lot of important work to combat OCD in relationships. Yeah, it's called no CD. And you know, OCD is more than what you see on TV and in the
movies. If you imagine having unwanted thoughts about your relationship stuck in your head all day, no matter how hard you try to make them go away, that's relationship OCD, which I feel like is a less known about type of OCD, but it comes with unrelenting intrusive images, thoughts and urges about your partner, a loved one. And breaking the OCD cycle takes effective treatment. You can go to no CD, so that's NOCD dot com to get evidence
based treatment. And on no CD you can book a call with a face to face licensed therapist. And no CD is sponsored by most insurance companies. So yeah, it's a really cool organization that I feel like is pretty relevant to our show and anybody that's struggling with a
breakup. If you know someone, a loved one that is maybe having issues with relationship OCD, then you should tell them about no CD. Yeah, we're going back to the early 2000s to talk about Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson, the TV show The OC. And I wanted to set the stage for this time period. I mean, we've talked about it before, but I don't know, I just wanted to set the scene. And so I asked our patrons on Patreon, what's the first piece of pop culture you think of when you hear early 2000s?
Because this is, you know, where Adam and Rachel, we're living at the time where their story takes place. And I want to read some of them and I feel like this is actually good ideas for our show. Just to hear what people say. We got a lot of responses, like, holy crap, I think this is the most I've ever seen from these questions we've done. But Zoe said Justin and Britney's matching denim. Full denim fits. Sarah said Perez Hilton Sunny
said the toxic music video. Britney Spears, Carrie said. Avril Lavigne, Layla said. Britney Spears, everything, Lo said. Britney Spears. Claire said. Britney Spears, Megan said I'm a slave for you. Britney Spears music video, Yeah, Britney Spears for sure. Yeah, it's the early 2000s. Britney, I think this is my friend from real life, Britney said. iPods and George D Bush getting a shoe thrown at him. Jane said Brangelina. We've covered them.
The simple life, Livestrong bracelets, Britney kissing Madonna. Yes, Muna Muna had a really nice description. Said silver and white eyeliner with a lot of metallic trimming on clothes. Also neon see through inflatables, true chairs, phones. I guess those are the see through neon things. Also bedazzling all our iPods and phones, Jane said. Also said the Delia's catalog. Yes, I loved the Delia's. I loved Julius. Did that still exist? No, I don't think so.
But then again, I stopped going, so I probably contributed contributed to their demise. Well, maybe you stopped going because they disappeared. Oh yeah, maybe. Maybe that's why the Lindsay Lohan, Hilary Duff, Aaron Carter love triangle suggested by Maureen. But she also said Frankie Muniz the dump. I don't know if I can read all of these. Oh wait, we're almost at the end. Maggie Licious said the dump him shirt. The party girl era Brangelina. Reality shows.
Guys, I said one thing. Just kidding. Low rise jeans. Flats, Any Britney VMA performance. Side bangs in Myspace. The pic of Justin and Britney in all denim. Yes, Britney Victoria said. Genie in a bottle. A lot. Of responses. And Yannick, I know this is a lot. And Yannica said for sure, Britney Spears. But also speaking from a perspective, from someone living in Germany, the music musician Ben with his song Engel. I hope I'm saying that right. I still love it so much.
I'll have to look that up. And all the weird shows on MTV, like Next Date, My Mom Exposed. I love New York. The simple life, you name it. I watched. I watched it. Oh. Yeah. Do you remember being at Grandpa's house and watching MTV in the den? Yeah, I I think I do. I I used to watch all those trashy shows like Next And yeah, I'm torrential control. Yeah, I was just talking about that the other day with my friend Sarah. Oh. My Super Sweet 16. Yeah. Love that sweet. 16 cribs, yeah, yeah.
We loved in the 2000s Hilary Duff and Avril Lavigne. I know. JoJo. Nobody said the OCS, so maybe I should just pack it up and. I think of, like, early Degrassi. Yeah, true. So early 2000s. I know the next Gen., but yeah, the. Researching this episode really brought me back. My friends and I watched The OC in high school. It's so we were a little too young to watch this show 'cause it was on in 2003 and I was in 3rd grade, but I watched it in
high school on DVD box set. And I'm going to get into the facts and everything, but I just remembered like I just unlocked a memory. My friend Maddie and I at lunch because the cafeteria was so loud.
We everyone talking whatever. We didn't think anybody would hear us. So we would just at the top of our lungs belt the OC theme song which is like California, California. And then we would scream the here we come like at the top of our lungs and my our other friends would get so embarrassed and be like, what are you doing? Stop it. We did it all the time. That's so. Funny, Yeah, California.
So yeah, those. See, it only ran for Four Seasons. Most people agree that at least one or two of those seasons were not good at all, and even the creators of the show admit it. But it was still a hugely
influential show. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of shows like that, like Freaks and Geeks and my so-called Life. Like they don't run that long, but they still make a big splash in, yeah, pop culture and the OC. It was notable for a couple reasons, like first of all that area Orange County was just called OC before and then after the show people started calling it the OC. Oh. Just crazy. I know it was the first show.
Maybe, I don't know. It was the very first but first show to like really incorporate music specifically like music by lesser known bands and indie musicians. And it had the same that, you know, music supervisor. We've talked about Alex Patsavas who did Grey's Anatomy and Gossip Girl, Twilight and really made like ATV show a place to discover music, which was like such a thing I think in the
2000s and twenty 10s. And even still, I think I feel like it kind of started here and also after the OC inspired shows like Real Housewives of OC, Laguna Beach and then The Hills, because OC has these characters like Seth Cohen, who's played by Adam Brody, who's like this hipster nerd guy with them. It also has like the opposite with these glitzy housewives.
So I don't know. Just like it was an influential show and I'm excited to be revisiting it to talk about their the stars that dated Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson. I'm excited to hear it. I never watched The OC all the way through, but I've seen enough episodes to get the gist of it. And like, I know their characters from the show. I really like Rachel Bilson. I, you know, kind of had a guilty pleasure for her show. The Hearted Dixie. I thought it was so cute and
she's just adorable. And I, Adam Brody, I fell in love with his character who is a short lived character but on Gilmore Girls. And honestly, I'm a little mad at the OC because they took him away from Gilmore Girls and his character was just probably the best guy in the show. But. I watched a bunch of clips, maybe not all of his scenes, but I watched a lot of his scenes on YouTube to see what he was like on Gilmore Girls, and he did seem pretty similar to Seth, actually.
Yeah. How did they write him off though? Spoiler. That he, like, went to college across the country. So did him. And what was who was he dating? He dated Lane and they just had such a cute relationship. They broke up. So did they break up? Yeah, broke up. Like off screen and it was just so upsetting because they had such a good build up to their relationship. He literally her mother on the show was really super Christian and really strict.
So he would perform like Christian music at all their family functions and. That's sad. Weren't we talking about this in our group message the other day about how TV's so imperfect that way, like the actors, can just influence the story like if they leave? Or I know it stinks out become. Pregnant or something? They need more of like ironclad contracts with actors. We need to lock them in there. Yeah, I know that will come up later in the episode for sure. And I'm definitely going to talk
a lot about the OCI. Hope that's OK. But they dated just during though, see, like within the show, they didn't date after or anything. So I know. So it's really entrenched in that. But I wanted to do something kind of weird. We don't usually do this, but I wanted to play a clip from the show that has Rachel Bilson and Adam Brody in it as their characters. Seth Conan, Summer Roberts. I know usually we just have like
interviews of the real people. Obviously they're acting here, so this isn't who they are, but I just want to show like how they were and why people loved them. So this is, again, if you like, If you think you're going to watch it and that if season one stuff is like a spoiler to you, then maybe Fast forward a couple minutes. But this takes away in season one after Seth and Summer have slept together for the first time. And I don't even think they're like officially boyfriend and
girlfriend or anything. But they that happened and then they talk about it. And this is the second clip I sent you, Mel Cohen. Summer. Hey. Hey. No. The other night when we had sex, yeah, you weren't the only virgin in the room. There's someone else in the room. Like, like the only nuts. Me, Chagas, I'm a virgin or I was a virgin? Why didn't you tell me? I don't know what I guess I felt like I had this reputation to uphold and I figured you'd think less of me or something.
No, are you kidding? Not at all. I'm just. I'm shocked. God, never in a million years. I think that you of all people, not the, that is not what's important here. This was a huge moment in both our lives. We just blew past it. Really, really quickly. Hey, not that quickly. Pretty quickly, yes. And it was a big deal. I think that it should have been special and we rushed it. What if we were to slow it down a little bit? Maybe start from the beginning? What? Do you mean
you are so? Cheesy Cowan. Come on, I'm sweeping you off your feet. Come on, the sad part is you kind of are. That was so cute. I don't know. How old are they supposed to be? Like, I never get these teen shows where they're embarrassed about being a virgin. Like, when would you have lost your Virginia? I know, 1314. I know this is the age when you're supposed to be or not the age when you're supposed to. But I know. I think, OK, I think they're.
Supposed to be juniors, but then a really weird thing happens where season 2, you think that they would have been ending high school, but then they don't. And then season 3, they're still in high school. So then retroactively, you think that season one maybe they were sophomores? Oh, they always do that on TV. Which makes no sense, I know.
Like That 70s Show. There's like seven seasons and there's like a Thanksgiving episode and Christmas every season, but the show starts with 1976 or something. So how did this take place over four years? I hate that CTV. It's just a mess sometimes. They just can't keep it together. There's like too many people working on it. Yeah, it's not perfect. Too much personnel changes. Yeah, I It's always bugged me with a lot of like CW type of shows that it almost seems like in the later seasons.
It sometimes seems like the staff writers didn't watch the earlier episodes or. Something I know, I feel like they they really should hold themselves to a higher standard. Like if you set a rule in ATV show, I think you have to stick to it. Like how they changed Uncle Jesse's last name in full house. You can't do that. Oh my God. I know you. Established. They have to. There should be like a book somewhere in the writers room. Exactly. OK Everybody's family.
Like, yeah, How What's their mom's name? You know, like we need to remember everybody's details because it's so annoying how they get it wrong. This is a good question that we should ask the audience. Like what are TV continuity errors or things that always bothered you from a TV show? Again, not to go back to that 70s Show, but in the early seasons Donna had a sister and then later on she's an only child. Just so I hate when she was. Well, that's an issue on the OC.
On the OC as well, Adam's character Seth, his mom the dates and mom and dad the dates of like how old they are make absolutely no sense. Like she she supposedly like went to school and did all this, but then she has her 40th birthday. So then it's like, wait a second, how is she like the mother of an 18 year old? Like, it's just it just doesn't. Make sense? That makes no sense that she would have had to be a Teen Mom. Yeah. Shows always do that.
Teen shows always do that. I want their parents to be really young for some reason. I remember in Hannah Montana, Billy Ray, his character turned 40 in one episode. Like what? He's been in his 30s this whole time, raising a teenage pop star. I don't think so, yeah. Yeah, we should ask people that because it drives me crazy. And I'm sure people will point out ones that I've never even thought of. That's Seth and somewhere. But those aren't real people.
Who is Rachel Bilson and Adam Brody? If I had to describe this couple in three words, I chose California. Have to Jealous? Oh. And domestic? OK. I put the Dark One in the middle this time. OK, Rachel Bilson. Rachel Sarah Bilson. As we said, she's known for playing Summer on OC and Heart of Dixie and couple other films and TV projects. She, in case you have no idea what she looks like, she's a short brunette with brown eyes. She is pretty upbeat, seems silly, She's seemingly forgetful
person. She's into fashion, but she also seems pretty down to earth to me. I I don't know if that's a correct assessment, but that's just what I'm getting. She was born August 25th, 1981 in Los Angeles. She is the daughter of Janice Dango, a therapist, and her father, Danny Bilson, a film writer, director and producer. Oh, Nepo. Yep, she's in the bit. I mean, he's in the business.
And it's funny, he actually created the 1990 TV show The Flash, which is based on the DC Comics, and he's also written some comic books, which is so such as a coincidence because Seth Cohen, her love interest and Adam Brody's character on OC, is a huge comic book nerd. So it's just interesting that her dad seemingly is a comic book nerd too. And her dad has also written scripts for video games. And guess what? What he helped create The Sims.
I knew you were going to say that as soon as you said what? Oh my God. That's, like, the only video game we ever. Played that. That is, besides like Mario Kart but The Sims. I have been in such a mood to play The Sims lately. Me. Too. That's such a sign. Well, you know, I never got The Sims 4, but recently I've been considering it well. But when is the? God knows I don't even know timing. Out. I know. That's the thing. When I get into The Sims, I don't just play a little.
I have to play all night long. I have to play until I nearly pee my pants because I'm too lazy to get up. It takes over your life. I know it's 3:00 AM and I'm still playing it. I think he only helped with Sims one, but we played it. You know, we we did it. That's an early 2000s. Thing. Yeah. What an influence on our lives. I know. Thank you, Danny Bilson. And guess what? His father was a director. He directed shows like Bewitched and Get Smart.
So get Smart. So she's a third generation? Hollywood professional We should make that a part of our drinking game. Take a drink every time someone, yes someone's parents, is in the business. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know, they all still had to work hard, I think. But, you know, they definitely had connections, Yeah, that other people don't. They say the hardest part is getting your foot in the door, so. Yeah, Yep, they do.
She has an older brother. Her mother is Catholic and her father's Jewish, so she grew up in a Christmica household just like the OC and Rachel's parents got divorced when she was nine years old and her dad remarried 7 years later and had two more daughters with his second wife. So she has two younger sisters too. For some reason I feel creepy, like if she listened to this I'd feel so creepy being like yeah, when you got remarried 7 years later.
I know all of this. I just looked at his Wikipedia and saw like when he married the other wife. But I read in a news article that when Rachel was 16, she's apparently hanging out with the wrong crowd and an unsuitable boyfriend and she was in a horrific car accident with her friends and boyfriend. She said I was with my girlfriend and these two guys driving down the Pacific Coast Highway. We were going really fast and we were involved in a head on collision with a truck.
We were in a tiny car and it was pretty bad crash. They had to cut us out and I was in a coma for a few days. The yeah, the crash ended that relationship, which is a good thing. Oh my God, that is. Awful. I couldn't believe she's. Lucky that she's here. I know. Seriously, that's amazing. She's and I've that.
Yeah I've read that because of her injury and the coma that she has kind of memory problems which would explain a lot because OK, in the present day, in the recent present time, she and her Co star from the OC, Melinda Clark, they created a OC rewatch podcast called Welcome to the OC Bitches. And I listen to it and Rachel doesn't remember anything from the OC like pretty much nothing. Like every time they talk about an episode she she it's kind of, I feel bad like she had this car
accident. Like it seems like it's a real problem but it's a little frustrating as a listener because you want to hear about you know behind the scenes stories and she just doesn't remember anything. Oh my. Gosh. I like that. I know that. Would be kind of sad to like forget such. I know huge. Chunks of your life, especially
when you're in your young 20s. Yeah, I wish that she mentioned it on the podcast because I didn't know that when I was listening to the podcast I was a little bit like, jeez, does she just not care? Like, why doesn't she remember anything but? Yeah, that would explain. It's probably because of that. Yeah, that must be so weird. Does she remember like the feelings? She, I mean, she does remember some things and it seems like she remem OK, this is me just this is me speculating and
analyzing. But she seems to remember a lot of things with Adam Brody, so I feel like it's just the emotional thing she remembers. And then it seems like the work she doesn't remember that well. Which makes sense. I mean, honestly, I can't. I don't remember things from like my retail job 10 years ago. That's true. That's significant. But if I couldn't take you back to like, a day when I had a certain task or something and I had to do it like, yeah, when we were an actor, in a way, it's
kind of just your job. And TV, especially these network TV shows of the early 2000s, they had so many episodes. They were working every day for most of the year. Like, I can understand why you wouldn't remember specific days, because they could all just blur together. Yeah, exactly. During high school, she did theater. Rami Malek actually went to her school and acted with her, and they were friends.
Oh, wow. And it's kind of funny because in the present she, she's talked about this, She apparently posted an old picture of her, Rami Malek, on Instagram, and he asked her to take it down. What's Why I don't? I think he just didn't like how he looked or something. Wait, I OK. I feel like I would never do that. Like people have attacked me and hid. I know this. Before. I would still never say can you please remove this because if someone did that to me I would
like be mortified. I don't know. I know I would like cry I. Would feel so bad because it's like I'm posting it because I'm so proud of the fact that I know you. And you want me to remove? It I know that's kind of vain of him. I know, I'm sure the. Picture is still online I kind of want. To look it up. Yeah, I bet it. That's funny. So she told people that. Yeah, I don't know why that's. So funny. Yeah, it's. Hey, she's. Like, kind of a big mouth she does. Oh, I guess he.
Was a little because like also. On He's a little chubby. He's chubby. Yeah, but hey, come on. Do you think I didn't even look at the picture? Do you think it's OK? Or do you think like she should have known better? No, I mean, he's chubby and in like a cute way. It's just he's younger. He looks honestly. Yeah, I mean. Different. Maybe he didn't want people to know that he used to be a little chubby. Maybe. Who cares?
Like, come on. I know for the OC she attended Community College in San Diego while pursuing acting, but she only did a semester. Take a drink. Take a drink. She appeared in several commercials and had one episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and was on the show 8 Simple Rules for Dating My Teenage Daughter.
So just a couple little things. And then she learned the role of the bitchy popular high school girl Summer Roberts on The OC, which first aired in 2003. Her character was initially just supposed to be a supporting role. I think in the first episode she only has like 2 lines or something. But then she became a series regular as her romance with Seth Cohen, played by Adam Brody, became a significant plot. OK, who's Adam Brody?
Oh guys, he has always been one of my celebrity crushes so much. I hope my boyfriend isn't listening to this, huh? Adam. Jared Brody is his full name. He's on the OC, but he's also been in things like Mr. and Mrs. Smith in the land of women. Mel, I feel like we need to watch that someday. Yeah, I think you have seen it. It's I have, but it was. I was like in middle school or something or high school. It was like a wicked long time
ago. Kristen Stewart and Meg Ryan, that's and Adam Brody. It's like perfect for us. It's crazy. Jennifer's Body. He was also recently in promising young woman and he's on the show. Fleshman is in trouble, which I've heard is good. And so, yeah, you guys might have seen him around. He's also been in several bands and writes screenplays and songs in his free time. Adam is a very smart, aleck wise guy type of guy and he definitely brought a lot of that to Seth.
He's a fast talker and he's very quick to make a joke and sort of unlike Seth though, at least when he was young, I'm not sure if he's like this still, but he was very confident and self assured in his early 20s, Yeah. And I think today he seems a little more subdued and kind of embarrassed about his past self. But yeah, he seems very confident. I mean, he's such a good. Looking guy I can see why he I
know then. Yeah, but he's he's really not this like meek, shy, nervous guy, you would think because of Seth Cohen. And he seems like A, at least at this time period, he seemed really cool, like almost too cool, like intimidating, you know, like he knows all the obscure bands and movies and he's really confident and makes
jokes. And I don't know, that's that's Adam Brody. He was born December 15th, 1979 in San Diego, CA. His mother, Valerie, was a graphic artist and his dad, Mark Allen Brody, was an attorney. And he has two younger brothers, Sean and Matthew. Mel has a brother Sean, his family's Jewish, which is like Seth Cohen and Rachel have to wish. And he had a bar mitzvah, apparently, but against his will. And in school, I guess Adam received poor grades and was just really into surfing.
Surfing was like his life. And it's funny, I listened to an episode on Pod Crushed. This was like a month or two ago, Penn Badgley's podcast, and he had Adam Brody on and it was kind of crazy because they were like, I feel like we're the same person because Penn Badgley was on Gossip Girl and that's created by the same people that created The OC.
And both Seth and Penn's character, OK, all the names are confusing me. The character Seth Cohen and the character Dan Humphrey, they are kind of similar. They're like bookish, shy, nerdy, whatever. And they were just like, it's crazy to be talking to you. Like, I feel like we're the same person. They said they're both versions of Josh Schwartz, the, like, the TV creator. And OK, then it gets crazier because Dan OK, the names are confusing me.
Penn Badgley's dated. You guys get what I'm saying? Penn Badgley dated. Blair Waldorf, well, character Blair, played by Leighton Meester, who's now married to Adam Brody. Yes, dated. And she was like the bitchy girl. She was the bitchy girl, which is kind of like Rachel's character. Yeah. He like the alternate universe. He basically married the alternate universe girl of his own show.
Yeah, literally The New York version, The New York version of his show, OK, that was, like, hard to get out. Yeah. But on that podcast Adam was talking about, for whatever reason, he went to kind of a bad high school or bad middle school and that there were a lot, there's a lot of violence and fighting. And that one of his friends actually died in high school. I think he went overdosed and just sounds like he was in kind of a like skins euphoria type of like kind of scary situations.
It sounded like he was kind of scared and there was a lot of people being beaten up and I don't, I don't know why, but that was like what he described as his youth but also having fun surfing. And I don't know, it just seems like he wasn't like taking school that seriously or anything, just like Rachel he, he attended Community College. He did it for one year and then he dropped out at age 19 and he moved to Hollywood to become an actor.
And in Hollywood he worked as a Blockbuster video clerk. He had a couple small roles and then he had a reoccurring role in Gilmore Girls, as we said. And then in 2003, he was cast in his breakout role as Seth Cohen on The OC. And there's been a lot of talk about how when he auditioned he came in and he was a post audition for Seth, but he read for Ryan, the other male lead. And then he like ad libbed his lines and was obnoxious and disrespectful to the writing.
And Josh Schwartz, the creator was like pissed and didn't like him and thought he was arrogant. But then the casting director for some reason really liked him and brought him back and this time he actually read his lines and then the creators like Josh and Stephanie Savage thought he was amazing and cast him. So right from the beginning he was like a little bit of a know it all and smart Alec. And from the beginning too, he was skeptical about being on a high school show 'cause he was
already in his early 20s. But he thought the script was good, so he signed on to the OC and that's where he met Rachel Bilson. But yeah. Apparently, they already knew each other. Is that a drink? It's not, but we could make it 1. How did they know each other? They already knew. Each other. So my sister Shannon got this book for Christmas calls. Welcome to the OC, The Oral History. And I skimmed through it and just took pictures of everything
that I thought was relevant. And so I got this from this book. Rachel said I knew Brody before because he had casually dated one of my friends. Casually. I think I thought he was cute and funny, but he was dating my friend and he was around, and I don't know if I thought much beyond that. I was dating someone when we started the show, so it wasn't immediately. Oh, I like this guy that grew into itself. But I always thought he was cool and funny. I just thought he was a little
bit of a Dick at times. But that's just his sense of humor before I really knew him. And then I realized that that was just his charm. Yeah, that is interesting. I mean she, she emphasizes. Like casually? Yeah, I I take her at her word. I mean, I have some friends who have dated people and it's like they don't even really remember them and it's no big deal, but depends depends on how much it meant to the friend. Yeah, I know. I'm so curious now. I you never know.
The friend might have been like it's mine, or the friend might have been like, what the fuck? I want to have went on two dates with a guy. This might sound terrible and I didn't really feel a connection, but I was like kind of could picture him with my friend and so I like, rejected him. But I said, you know what? I actually think he'd be a great match for one of my best friends. And I set them up and they went on a couple of dates, didn't go
anywhere but like it was like. Why would that be bad? That. That's awesome. I is it. I think that's what you should do. Yeah, I know exactly. I was like, you know, you're a really great guy. I think, like, honestly, I could picture you dating one of my good friends. You seem to have fun. I think some people, I think some people might take that offensive like they're like, no, I want to date you.
You must really not like me if you're trying to set me up, but it should be a compliment if you think someone's good enough to date your friend. Yeah, no, I feel like I've read that, I don't know, advice in magazines before or something where they're like, set them up with your friend. Like maybe that was the deal with. I mean, obviously they would have gotten the chance to get to know each other really well, playing love interest on the TV
show. And if your friend just, you know, went on a couple dates with him a couple like couple years ago, he really cares, especially if they're totally moved on. But yeah, maybe the friend was like, go for it. Hopefully, yeah. And so she was talking about how he was kind of a Dick. But that's just a sense of humor.
And apparently before they really knew each other, because on, you know, at the beginning of the show, she she was a minor character, she only had a couple lines, Adam joked to her on on the set. Well, you're lower on the totem pole than me. Oh my God. And I know which like, technically, yeah, that is true. But people usually don't say stuff like that. Yeah. So that's just an example of his sense of humor. And it's kind of weird.
There's actually, it's it was like a known thing that Adam had this joking asshole way about him, but it was just a joke. And as a promotion for the show, they did like this segment on MTV about The OC and there's this segment that's just about Adam Brody and how he's a Dick and I'm going to play a clip. Glamorous and just a regular jeans and AT shirt kind of get out. I think he's about ready to leave, yeah. I'll call you Girl Slayer, all
right. Good times. Once Adam arrives to work on his scooter, he gets a shave, some makeup and then deals with wardrobe problems. I like it, but it's a little, it's a little pokey in the neck and I don't know if that if we can do something with that. Hey, I got you your. Child. Oh awesome. Thanks a lot. I ordered a grand. The man knows what he wants, and apparently he doesn't like being interrupted while he's trying to get it. Yeah dude, if like you didn't
have a boyfriend. Or even if you did and you didn't want. To tell him, I told. You that I don't think. Can I talk to you? Can I? Recheck your marks over here. Please dude, check this Toby. Well, it can't all be fun and games. He had to take a break to rehearse a scene with Rachel Bilson. You are extorting the county, exposing the company to Huge No. Is that how you're going to do it? No, that's fine. I just no, no, no, it's good. It's good. It's It's getting there.
I just didn't know. OK, great. Now I know. Let's do it again. OK, you were extorting the county, exposing the company. There's just this thing you're doing with your eye and it's it's just, it's fine, but it's just it looks a little lazy. Come on, America's watching. Get in the game. All right, let's go again. You were extorting the county, exposing the company. I'm good, thanks. But every day must come to an end and Adam does it with style. It says it's not a cow, that's a chicken.
Anyways, I hope I didn't bore you guys too much. I hope you had a good time. I hope it wasn't too anti climactic. And thanks for checking us out. I feel like I knew a lot of guys like him in high school who were just a ham and always, yeah, yeah, a lot of those things were visual. But the Chai latte, he threw it away. He pushed this man in a pool. He's like, it starts. He's in a bathtub getting his
nails buffed by someone. Yeah, someone gives him a latte and he throws it across the parking lot. It's obviously a joke, but it seems like it there was some truth to it that he actually did joke around like that. And then they had the idea to, I don't know, make a skit about it. And it's OK. It's interesting because there was this part in that video where there's this girl. She was on the OC. She played a girl named Anna. The actress's name is Samira.
He says, like if you don't have, if you didn't have a boyfriend, we could blah blah blah. And she says, I told you that's not a good idea. It's good because that's going to come up later. Actually. There's like a real thing with that here, that it's in this little I know. Wait, who is that girl that he's like talking to? So she she was on the OC as kind of a minor role or like a reoccurring star.
She played Anna and Seth. Cohen was in kind of a love triangle with her and Rachel's character. Oh my God. And so in this little bit, she is a boyfriend, but like, he's still trying to get with her. OK. Wow. OK, and she did in real life. And I guess I'll just say it now, but it'll come up later that that Rachel was actually jealous of her, I guess. So. There was like stuff going on. And at that point in this clip, were Rachel and Seth dating? I don't think so.
I'm sorry, not Seth. Adam Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, we can call them entertained, Rachel. Slash summer, Adam, Slash said. Yeah, so I just thought that was funny about meeting Rachel Bilson. Adam said she was super funny, super loose. Obviously we got along very well, so just very comfortable. I think the dynamic was fun. I knew her only a little before. My first strong memory of her is shooting an early episode, sitting next to each other and talking for a while.
And she showed me her iPod and explained to me what it was and how to work it. Yeah, they didn't date right away and she said she was dating somebody else initially. I don't know what happened to that relationship. I guess it just ended naturally. And Adam said very early on, maybe two or three weeks after the show premiered, I remember someone grabbing me and hooking up with me. And right after, she said, welcome to Hollywood.
That could seem gross, but I remember it being very innocent and joyful and to never have been repeated. That was the only time I've heard that she was older than me. So sounds like he was like having fun. And the ladies want him. Yeah, the ladies want him. They really do. And interestingly he so he was in a band at this time and Jonah Hill played keyboards in it briefly.
And I know so random. And Adam said that because of the show they actually attracted people and could like sell out shows because people wanted to see Seth Cohen in a band. And Rachel has said just about the OC and doing with him. She said I had to attribute all my confidence as an actor and doing scenes and everything else to Brody. He really taught me how to do it and it was the best lesson.
Working with him was a gift because of how much confidence he gave me. Just believing and doing what you want to do and really going for it. And it was always fun doing a scene with him. So that's her like today saying that. But she has said that many times that like she owes everything to him for her acting, which is a lot. But then when did when did they start dating? Like when did the feelings start?
Rachel said. I remember she she has shared a lot about this, she shared a lot in that book and she has shared a lot on the podcast, she said. I remember after shooting the scene where I kiss him, which by the way is season one, episode 6, for anybody wondering, The scene where I kissed him, I remember thinking, do I like Adam? And I remember thinking after work because I feel like it was the last scene I shot that day being like, wait, do I like Adam? That's when those wheels started
turning. Oh, we've all had those moments when we're like, wait a minute, do I like this person? Yeah, it's it's hard. Once those wheels start turning, it is hard to turn around. Oh, and it was very hard to turn around. Sometimes impossible. Yeah. Almost impossible to stop. Yeah, everybody. Everybody. OK, maybe not everybody, but lots of people had crushes on Adam Brody. Even the woman who played his mom, Kelly Rowan, the actress, said that she was crushing on
him while rewatching the show. And he told GQ back then, girls always want a hug and I'm not a very huggy person. I'll be standing at the Grove, which is a mall in LA, and there will be an assembly line of girls who all want an embrace like I'm Santa. And Rachel mentioned a story about Nikki Hilton wanting to meet him at a club. So people were really attracted to him. And it's just funny because on the show they act like he's this loser. So. Nobody likes, but everybody fell for him.
TV shows always. Do that because they'll never cast like an actual loser for those parts. Apparently their feelings for each other slowly grew while filming season one, but especially so she said that she started thinking about it episode 6. And then she also said, especially after filming the infamous Tijuana episode, which is episode 7, and she said it's this weird thing, you have to kiss somebody and then you're like, wait a minute, does this mean something?
So I don't really know, like what things happened after this. I mean, they were all hanging out a lot. I'm guessing going out. And I'm guessing they just, you know, they got together, they kissed, I don't know, I don't know what happened, But they started dating and everybody on the set knew and seemed to think they were really cute. Adam has told a story before about how he bought Rachel.
Now I don't really know this is in the timeline, but he bought Rachel a Pitbull named Penny for her birthday and Rachel actually cried because I guess she was overwhelmed and just wasn't really expecting it and the dog was. Way too big of a gift to get somebody I. Know and I think the dog was really more for Adam but they they kept Penny though so. That's a big gift.
I know on the The OC welcome to the OC Bitches Podcast, Josh Schwartz, who is the OC creator by the way, he he was the, you know, writer create creator of this show when he was only 26 years old. Oh. My God, it's. Kind of crazy because they were like in their early 20s. Yeah, they're too. He was only like a couple years older. Yeah. Yeah. And people have said that this kind of because he was so young, it was a great thing because he was able to like relate young
people so well. But also it was kind of bad because he wanted to be like friends with the stars. And then he would never, he would never talk to them as the boss. And so then they became kind of disrespectful in a way. And I feel like it led to kind of a chaotic setting, not too crazy, but we'll get to that that later. But Josh Schwartz has said that Adam and Rachel are very much like an old married couple.
And she agreed. And they talked about how Adam and Rachel would be getting the newspaper and they would go see matinees and getting bagels. And I don't know, they just seemed like they really quickly clicked and were having a simple life together. But they still, they still went out. Like I saw paparazzi videos of them leaving a club with some other people and people on the street were yelling oh shit, the OC and they still went out.
But she has said that she's described the relationship many times as domesticated and how she's thankful that during this time of being really famous she's with Adam because it helped her stay grounded and she didn't get pulled into a lot of the drugs and partying going on at the time in LA.
And I almost feel like I don't know if this is intentional, but her saying that is kind of a dig at Mischa Barton, her costar, because she hung out a lot with Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan and all those people and everybody knew it. And so it's interesting that Rachel has many times said, yeah, I didn't party and stuff like that, like I was just with Adam, so. Yeah, I mean, that would kind of bother me if I was Mischa Barton. It's like, oh, I was in a relationship.
So yeah, I don't know. I know they have a weird relationship for sure. Her and Misha. As the show went on, everybody became really tired. The seasons were super long and the network was really pushing them. Fox ordered 27 episodes for season. Oh my God, that would never happen nowadays. I know 27 shows are like never and they were like 10 episodes. I know. And they were 16 to 18 hour days and they burned through the plot
really fast. Like so much happened since season one that later on, because they already did so much, it started to get a little bit ridiculous. You know, with the breaking up back and forth and then introducing all these random sorry characters. And you know, it just it's hard to get a little bit soap opera esque because there were so many. What else can you do? Yeah, and Rachel has talked about this really crazy schedule.
And she said I was 21 years old and had no real responsibilities, so it was fine. You work all year long, essentially. But at that age, and my boyfriend was on the show, it was way easier for me because a lot of my life was there. Looking back at it, it's absolutely it's absolute insanity. I could never do that now. And on The OC, Adam's character Seth.
As I mentioned a little bit before, he had a love triangle with Rachel's character Summer and then this girl Anna, who is this quirky alternative type who really Seth had a lot more in common with Anna probably, And in season one, Rachel's character treats him horribly and talks down to him and acts like he's a loser that should be honored to be in her presence. But still, he loves Rachel's character Summer, so he's in
this love triangle. And Rachel has talked about how she had some jealousy towards the girl who played Anna who's named Samira Armstrong. And Rachel said in the OC oral history book, I knew SOB Samira before the show. We were always friendly, but I think because of the storyline and created this weird underlying competitiveness and I feel like she had a crush on Brody. She had a boyfriend at the time, but it did feel like sometimes
life imitates art. We were always friends and friendly, but there was always this weird undertone and weirdly, Samira agreed. She said there was definitely that. Not Not necessarily a romantic triangle going on, but it was a triangle for sure. Like, oh, there's my friend with my other friend. They're dating in what? In my third wheel? But they were the cutest couple. They were so freaking cute.
Wow, I admire Rachel's honesty. I know I'm open, but yeah, I get that she is really long hour days. I feel like fact and fiction would kind of blur. And if you're trying to be in your character's mindset and get into the role, like there would, you know, be some tension that would develop from just competitiveness over like, honestly, I feel like if I was on ATV show when I was in a love triangle in the show, I would want my character to be the one
that the person, yeah, true. Because otherwise you would feel like, well, what's wrong with my character? Like you kind of are your character in a way. Yeah, yeah. Why don't they pick? Mine, I know, I something that Adam Brody said. I don't think I included in my notes recently, but he was saying I I think it was maybe in the book, I don't know that you do get typecast. And of course there are some actors that can completely transform. But a lot of times people he was.
This might sound bad because some people play bad people, but he was saying that some people do get cast because they kind of are like their characters. And he thinks that he does get cast as people, that he kind of is like, and so I I can get what you're saying. Like, I think, especially on a show and they're all young people, Yeah, I think I would feel like I want, yeah, I want to win this love triangle, you
know? If your character ends up with the guy, you kind of get more screen time. Probably Anyway so. True, yeah. Anna actually got written off the show eventually. So. Yep. It's in a way it might come down to like. Am I giving a better performance? Yeah, I'm And you want the viewers to love it? Yeah. Summer 2005 was between seasons two and three, so seasons one and two were really successful. And Season 2 was the one that had Olivia Wilde on it.
So between the two seasons, you know, Rachel and Mischa were, even though that there's been reports that they didn't get along that well. They have been seen out and about hanging out and they went to see Adam's band perform. And it's interesting because Mischa Barton that summer filmed a movie with Hayden Christensen called Decameron, which I find interesting because of things that happen in the future in
summer. That summer, Rachel and Adam were seen out and about together with their Pitbull Penny, the one that Adam got and made Rachel cry. But they were also separate a lot. She was filming the last kiss of the Zach Braff and he was filming in the land of women with Case Do and Meg Ryan. And so then they come back for Season 3. And so in the beginning of the show, everybody was super into it. Everybody in the cast, crew, the even like the camera guys were reading the scripts, like the
lighting people. Everybody was into it and like quoting lines and stuff, but because they had burned through so much plot and because there was so much pressure from the network and there were too many episodes, like I said, it was kind of becoming like a soap opera. And the quality went downhill. And the mood on set on season
three was not great. And Adam Brody was clearly not enjoying playing a high schooler in season three because again, they should have been in college by now, but then they just kept them in high school. So the kids really lacked enthusiasm. And they they, I think they all were kind of Divas. Ben McKenzie, who played Ryan. Anna Brody, Rachel Bilson, Mischa Barton. I feel like all of them were not acting the best.
And Tate Donovan, he played Jimmy Cooper, one of the dads on the show, and he also dated Jennifer Aniston. Fun fact, he directed a few episodes and he talked about how the kids didn't even read the scenes. Like, they had no idea what their lines were and they would say stuff. Like, yeah, they'd say stuff like, this is bullshit, man. Like, why am I even saying this? It's so stupid. And Adam's disengagement and lack of trying was really palpable.
And it actually inspired the writers to write in the plot line that Seth got into smoking weed. Because Josh Warts said how do we explain his lethargy on screen? Because he was just like, not talking the way he used to. He was not acting the way he used to. That's so interesting. I know that's kind of people do say that. I know and people say that Rachel always had a good attitude, but she did once tell Tate Donovan when he was directing, she said. I don't read lines.
I smoke pot. It's annoying. It's like, it's like that's the show that made you famous. And like everything is temporary. I don't. I don't know. I get getting sick of any job and maybe you feel stuck and you're like, I don't give a fuck, but like, yeah, an actor is such a luxurious job. Well, an actor at that level to be on TV, probably making a good amount of money. Mm hmm. So many people would kill. Us. I know.
Position. Yeah. It was upsetting to me, especially, you know, Adam Brody was always like a somebody crush of mine. And reading about this and I was like, oh, I also kind of annoyed. It's really admirable when actors still give it their all even when they're not. As into the subject matter, guys, I, you know, I hate to say this, You know, I hate to say it, but you know what I'm going
to say? Yeah, yeah, I don't know if Robert Pattinson. Yeah, I don't know if he was super into Twilight. Once we get to Breaking Dawn. But you better believe that he gave his all in that performance. I don't think he did. I don't think he phoned it in at all. He still gave 100% and did such a great job. You know when he's Edward is crying about Bella, like I know. I think that is a true testament of a great actor and a great
professional, yes. And someone with great character and it all connects, you know, I think that people that really give their all to even like stupid TV movies, like that can lead to something. Yeah, exactly. You don't ever know someone's going to see that. And like, people will talk about how great of how great your work ethic is or whatever. Like, yeah.
And I think that the actors on The OC, they were mad because they were getting offered scripts for movies and stuff and they had to turn it down because of The OC, which I can kind of get. But I almost feel like if they had put in a little more, maybe they would have gotten offers after the OC ended. Exactly. Sorry. Yeah, so true. Because also, it's like if you think the show sucks, it's not going to be any better if you're not putting in effort.
Yeah, I mean look at that guy on Riverdale this year. He's been he's been like in talks or being nominated for stuff the movie made December. Like people said that about that show, that it was kind of a joke and then you know he did a great job. So, I mean, Adam Brody has, he's had a career, but it just sounded like they they got a little arrogant. Yeah. About it. And he he made it really clear
he didn't like the show anymore. He actually said that he let his scripts pile up outside his dressing room to show that he hadn't read them. That's really. That's kind of unattractive. I know, I know, And Rachel said about this. Here's the thing about Brody, even half his effort is still genius, which is frustrating because you're like, dude, you can just phone it in and still be you, Which is admirable in a way. But there were definitely times it was like, dude, suck it up.
It was hard thing for me because I'm one side it's my boyfriend, on the other side it's my Co star. So how do you balance that? And about the show, Adam said people really liked Seth and Summer together, which is great. So then the break, they break up for a year, Break them up for two years, really. Ross and Rachel it. And instead I felt like we were in this sitcom where every episode we break up in the beginning over some misunderstanding. And then it'd be a comedic thing
of me trying to get her back. And then I would by the end, which was enjoyable. And like I said, I wasn't dying to do the melodrama. I was happy to do the light stakes comedy, but it felt like in terms of stretching A dramatic storyline out to make people care not just from the beginning of the episode to the end, but to make them really invested in that long haul, it sapped some of the power from
potentially doing that. So yeah, I don't know, he was just unhappy with it. So we've talked about this before. This is a hard couple to actually find stuff of during the time.
Like there were no. I went back and did the archives of. Time stamps and could not find many actual online articles, but I did find one from February 2006 on Fox that just had like random goings on about celebrities and it said Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson of the OC. This is February 2006, dined together on Saturday night, looking a bit glum at the Great Eatery Luke's in West Hollywood. They were the youngest people in the restaurant and seemed like they wanted to be anywhere else
in the world, April 2006, Rachel told Teen People. We always have a lot to talk about and we tell each other everything. I feel like I have everything now. The dog, the house, the job, and him. I can't ask for anything more. So OK, this article said they looked unhappy, but you know that can happen anytime to anyone. And then she tells teen people that she has everything, so
seems like it's going well. September 2006, Rachel began filming the movie Jumper, which also stars Hayden Christensen, the actor who's knowing known for playing Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars and he's her love interest in the movie.
OK, so keep that in mind. So she's filming that the rest of Fall 2006 and early into winter 2006 and then December 5th 2006. This would be like just about when she stops filming this movie, it was reported that Rachel and Adam had broken up. Oh no, but they still had more to film The OC. Oh, they're really going to phone it in now? And in January 2007, OK, so this is like a month later, it was announced that the OC had been canceled. OK, that's a relief if you're
one of them. Yeah, I know The last episode ever would air February 22nd, 2007. The season was cut short. Wow. It's an odd coincidence that they broke up right before. Yeah, maybe there was writing on the wall. Yeah, but success, I know. I was wondering. See their. Relationship develop beyond the show. I know there's a lot to think about here. Maybe they knew it was ending anyway. And, you know, kind of like how high schools couples or even college couples, like
graduation's coming up soon. And they kind of know that, like, OK, I don't think we're going to get married. So like let's you. Know. Start a new chapter, Yeah. Yeah, OK, so apparently they had already filmed a lot of season 4, which was last season, but they still had to do the spoiler skip head. They still had to do the wedding after they broke. Up. Oh my gosh, that's like awesome girls. The same exact thing have been done. Gossip Girl. Is this fake? Like what is going on?
Would. Kill me if I went through a breakup with I know, and then I had to film a pretend wedding with them. I know. I'd be. Throwing up. That is crazy. Me too. It's so strange. Do you have a sense? Do you have a? Sense Who broke up with who? Or does it seem like it was mutual?
OK, so I so it's known that shortly, or maybe not that shortly, but sometime after they broke up, Rachel started dating her Co star from that movie Hayden Christensen and she dates him for like 10 years and they have a kid together. So it's a serious relationship. And it's funny, a lot of articles say that they met in 2007 or 2008 on the set Jumper.
But no, it was filmed in 2006 and it's a known thing that she filmed it during the OC. It was 2006, so I felt like some little like sleuth, like, you guys are wrong. I know it was 2006. And so it's just interesting, you know, like she was still with Adam, supposedly while she filmed that movie. Did she leave Adam for him? Or, you know, I kind of also get the sense that Adam was kind of done with the whole OC and maybe he was kind of just ready to, like, move on. So I'm not really sure who
ended. It, yeah. Could it be she left Adam for him, or he was a shoulder to cry on after Yeah, broke up with her? Or maybe it was just mutual and they're both like, yeah, it's over. Maybe. Find new people. I know I'm so curious about mutual breakups because I personally have never experienced 1. I guess that's what I should get in the audience, but. Can. A breakup ever truly be mutual? I know I don't get. It. I don't know.
I think I could. See maybe if you just had like a huge fight and you just both are so mad at each other for some reason. Yeah, and you both are like, OK, this is it, But if you had a fight, you might think that the other one is more responsible for the fight. I don't know. Right, right. I know. Yeah. We should ask people this at some point. Yeah, I don't think. Isn't there a song about the script when a heart breaks and never breaks even or something? Is that what that means? Oh yeah.
I don't think. I think in any break, don't break even. In any breakup, there's always somebody who is a little bit more upset. What am I supposed to do when the best part of me was always you? What am I supposed to say when I'm I'm all choked up and you're OK? Oh, that's that's the 2000. Falling to pee? That might be the 2010 might be like. Yeah, it might be 2010 or something falling to pee. What is up with the? Script I know. Where have they been? I don't know.
Well, a lot of people speculated. A lot of people thought that Seth and Summer, their characters chemistry, was off in season four, and a source close to the pair told people at the time it was a typical romance and they just grew apart. They've been on and off for a while now. Oh, oh, about the wedding scene, Rachel said. We had broken up and it's the end of the show. So many things coming to an end. At the same time. It was really bizarre.
When you're that age, you think you're going to be with that person forever. And I remember feeling like I don't want to wear something that I would ever wear for my own wedding. That feels weird because we just broke up. I was like, give me a dress I would never want to wear. So they did. And I guess she kind of. When she's walking down the aisle, she sticks out her tongue at. Oh yeah, but. I guess that was something that.
That's really cute it. Is, but I guess it's something that she just kind of added in and they kept it in. I know it seems flirty and I think it was flirty, but also her being maybe a little uncomfortable and like not, no, no, not unable to take it seriously, you know.
Yeah. And she said, I remember on one of the last days of filming the show just feeling so sad and being close to Adam, sitting on his lap and going through all these emotions, which is interesting because they weren't together anymore, but apparently she was still sitting on his lap. Probably that like in between when people break up, but they're still hanging out all the time. That's tough. I feel like I'd be losing it if I was her.
Also, I don't know, if she had like another job lined up, I'd be kind of, I'd be freaked out, you know, like, what is my life now? I. Know Not only are you going through breakup at a significant career change, too. After the breakup, there was a TMZ article. Sorry, kind of trashy, I know, but it said the O CS Adam Brody, who recently split from Rachel Bilson, was spotted with Kirsten Dunst. Interesting. And Melinda Clark, who played Julie Cooper on the show, said about Adam.
Rachel, Adam and Rachel said they were the couple that everyone everything revolved around outside the show. They just seemed to fit and they were adorable together at the end. There were a few eye rolls here and there in Season 4, but they were really sweet. I think there was a real nice connection. Oh, these are the other two stars. There's real nice connection with Ben and Misha in the beginning, and maybe not so much at the end. OK everyone, just feeling everything left and right.
I love. That what the heck? Yeah. So she started dating Hayden Christensen. And interestingly, after they had broken up, Adam still worked on a project with Rachel's dad. They Co wrote a comic book miniseries called The Red Menace. Red Menace? No. I wonder if they had been talking about that previously. Probably seems like he is close to her parents, though, for that to happen.
That's been serious. Yeah. So time passed, You know, she dated Hayden, seemingly off and on, for 10 years, and they had a daughter together. And then Adam married Leighton Meester, who played Blair on Gossip Girl and they have two kids. And then this welcome to the OC Bitches podcast happened in 2021 and I've already shared a lot of things that Rachel said on it.
But so it's a rewatch show with Rachel and Melinda Clark and throughout the show that they're watching each episode and talking about it. And obviously her ex-boyfriend is in every single episode that they're watching. And she does make a lot of references to the fact that she dated him. I mean, I remember when I was listening to it, I wanted more. Like I was always dying for her to say more. But she would acknowledge it a lot about how it was kind of awkward.
And on the podcast she talked about how she saw Anna remember that love triangle character go in. So I guess the actress, actor Samira went in to go kiss Seth the names and she said I see Samira like slip tongue and I'm watching it and she slipped the tongue and I get transported back to 18 years ago and I get a little jealous and I'm like, what are you doing slipping tongue in the mouth? There's no tongue in television. So that's funny.
And then so on the podcast, they have guests pretty much every episode of who are people from The OC, whether they were actors or directors or writers or costume people. Like they have people from the show on on the podcast. And, you know, the whole time the show, as the episodes go by, you're wondering, are they going to have Adam Brody on the show? I mean, he's the star, Like, come on. But you know, there's that weird thing because that's her ex.
And a while it goes by, he's not on the show. But then he finally was on the show. The Adam Brody episode. They did A2 parter and Yep and people who. Shipped them at one point in time. Must have been going. Crazy. Yeah. I mean, I was going crazy like I I I wasn't even watching it like while it was live. But it's just crazy to see them talking to each other and I hope they're not listening. It was a little awkward at times.
Was it? I was going to say they must be so moved on that it's no big deal. OK, so first of all, she talked to People magazine. She did like a video interview and she talked about how she asked Adam. And I do really appreciate how open she's been. I really appreciate that because
she was really honest. She said that she was nervous and she didn't think he would do it and that she texted him and said I guess she had a another dog from the OC days named Thurman and she texted him like Thurman died. You have to come on the show. Oh my. God, what a guilt trip. You know, I know. But he said yes. Yeah, probably because she guilt tripped him. And she said that they talked about having him on to watch the episode where they lost their
virginity together. The one, the clip that I showed you guys at the beginning, but then they decided it was too awkward. So they didn't do that. And he came on for a later episode. And so I just, I wrote down a bunch of little quotes from it of things that she said or he said, well one at one point she said I was never better than when I was acting with you. And Adam goes, oh that's so sweet. And she taught, told this story about how.
So there was this plot line where Adam's character, Seth and I think Ryan, the other character, we're going to Las Vegas. But Rachel was not in this
episode. Her character had nothing to do with it. She wasn't supposed to be there, but she told the showrunner Josh, she said Josh Brody is not going to Vegas without me. So she made him write her into the script and and she said, like, I had to be everywhere because I had to be everywhere you were because I was this young girlfriend with a very successful, famous, crush worthy
boyfriend. And he just kind of, like, chuckled along, like it felt a little nervous, a little awkward to me. Well, especially if they're both new people at this point. Like if I was lean, yeah, it'd be kind of, I don't know, she's probably really secure, but. Well, here's the thing. She I'm pretty sure. Rachel, I hope you're not listening. I'm pretty sure she was single. Her and Hayden were no longer together. She was dating Bill Hader
briefly, but I don't. I mean, she could have been seeing someone that we don't know about, but didn't. She give an interview saying that the Bill Hader breakup was like the worst breakup ever. Yeah, I think so. She was like gutted by that. It was very brief as well. I know. So I could. Maybe she was, you know, feeling nostalgic for Adam Brody, but it isn't appropriate because he's married and he says that he
doesn't. OK, it's like kind of sad because she's talking so much about this Vegas thing and he says he doesn't remember anything about it. And she goes, she says like, oh, yeah, I also don't remember anything. And she says we make a great pair. We should just rehash. But then I think she gets cut off. What are you doing? Yeah, let's.
Wind it back, Rachel. And then she randomly tells a story about how the creator, Josh Schwartz, was trying to get Adam a stripper in Vegas. She was like, remember when Josh was trying to get you a stripper? And he says no, I don't remember that. And he's like, yeah, he's trying to get a stripper. And I was like, no. And he acts like he doesn't remember him. And then she says, didn't you give me this advice about going on a talk show? And he goes, oh, I don't think so.
And then she says this, like, bit of advice, she recalls. He said, And he's like, Oh yeah, maybe I did say that, Oh my God, it was a little sad. Like, I feel like she, even though I had said earlier she doesn't remember a lot of things, she did remember a lot of things about him and he kind of acted like he didn't remember.
That that is heartbreaking. I was thinking about that the other day and just remembering past relationship, where I feel like in hindsight, something that makes me realize it wasn't meant to be is I would remember all these moments and like, recall them to him and he had no recollection of them. Like, wow, these moments that were like, so significant in my memory of like a story that I had built up in my head or kind of nothing. Yeah.
I that is empathizing. And it's really, I mean, obviously it's ATV show, but it's really different from The OC because one big plot line about The OC is that Seth has always remembered this poem that Summer recited in like 6th grade and that that's when he fell in love with her because her hand shook while she's recited the poem. And it's like, I wish I was a mermaid. And it's like this whole thing that like Seth always remembered everything about Summer and so that's sad that Adam Brody
doesn't remember anything. Well, not, not, not nothing. But so, are we going to watch a clip from this episode? They actually put it behind like a paywall. It used to not be, but I don't know why. They hey, you know, we get it. Yeah, we get it. We get it. We do it too. I understand. They make it kind of hard, though. It's like some weird network thing. You have to sign up for like one of those podcast networks. But I did. I mean, it wasn't like he was totally closed off.
I did think that they were both joking around and like making faces and both being, I don't know, maybe just like a little reminiscent, somewhat flirty. And they were talking about guest stars like, oh, who was your favorite guest *? And she brought up Olivia Wilde out of nowhere and said, I remember you had a crush on Olivia Wilde and I was so mad, but I had a crush on her too, so I understand.
I feel like I think one awkward thing is they're talking about the TV show, but their relationship is coming up. I feel like if I was Lee and Meester, I'd feel more comfortable. Like, let's keep it to the show, you know? I know it's hard not to talk about the relationship, but. Yeah, I hope that they talked on the phone or something a little bit before this, because I was thinking to myself, Oh my God, imagine if my first reunion with
an ex was on a podcast. Recorded for people to listen to. Recorded. Yeah. I mean, obviously I would be like, well, first of all, I would be like, Oh my gosh, well, sorry about how I behaved back. Or I don't know, like, I don't know, like let's like rehash the whole end of our relationship. What happened? I don't. I hope that they talked otherwise because that would be really intense. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Do that for entertainment. But this other part where she said, did I turn you on to
Springsteen? He goes, I I remember you were so into Springsteen. I'm still kind of air. And he said that. I remember your dad liked him. And then Adam said, I like some songs, you know, but in general, it's too earnest for me. Well, I don't know. I like some earnest stuff. I'm just not a Springsteen head. And then Rachel just goes. Was Springsteen in the episode or something that they're talking about?
I don't know. And for Melinda Clark, I feel like she kept having a segue away from these Random. Thought somebody else was there. Yeah, she was so. She would be. She would keep bringing it back to the episode. She's like, all right, back to the episode. Yeah, I know what. Did you guys think of this scene? If you're Rachel Bilson, you're like, newly single. You're talking to your, like, hot, attractive ex like on the
podcast. Like, I feel, like, way too excited to be like, let's reconnect. I would, yeah. But he also he acknowledged that he wasn't as appreciative as he should have been. And well, let me I'm skipping ahead. But he said he's embarrassed by a lot of the things he did back then and that it was gross that he let it be known how much he disliked the script. And he said I definitely treated the word disrespectfully at that point and that it wasn't cool.
So at least at least he acknowledges that now. Yeah. And then she she did keep mentioning things like he was on watch. What happens live with is it Andy Cohen? And she said, Didn't they ask you about kissing me, Rachel? Why are you asking that? What did he say? Well, I think it what happened on the show was they asked like who did you like kissing more, Rachel Bilson or Olivia Wilde? And I think he did say Rachel Bilson because I was dating her.
She had to say, obviously. Yeah, if I was like, yeah, I don't. I don't feel comfortable with this. I know, yeah. So those those are the highlights I thought from his episode and I listened to. I was genuinely into this podcast. It it's not on anymore because they finished their rewatch, but on the last episode when they watched the end of the show, Melinda Clark, her Co host,
said. I felt like I was watching Rachel and Adam, she said on their wedding day, which is kind of a weird thing to say, but I know. And apparently Rachel, when she watched the Seth summer wedding, she texted Josh Schwartz and said, oh life and said that it was bringing up so much again. Yeah, so today, you know, they are not together. He's with like Meester as we said, and she she definitely still has.
I don't know what he thinks. I mean, he's married, so he, I think needs to keep his cards close and that's a good thing. But she definitely still talks about him a lot. Even 10 months ago she did this video for Entertainment Weekly where she went through all her roles in her career and she talked about how she felt like she was able to, in The OC, go from guest star to starring role because she made Josh Schwartz laugh and was in Josh Schwartz's good graces.
But she also said also chemistry is everything. And I think the scenes they were writing for Seth and Summer really helped. So I don't know, I just feel like little comments like that, like, oh, we had great chemistry, like she just has to mention that. So I don't know. I suspect there might be a little bit lingering feelings on her side, but. Yeah, I mean, but at this. Point I was looking too wild to it. 13 years later? Oh yeah, 14?
Yeah. So I'm sure there's lingering feelings the way those years of your life, like, will always have such a special place in your heart. But, like, you grow so much in that time, too. That's like you can never really go back and be that person and be with that person the way you were at that point. So doesn't. Totally mean anything. It doesn't. It doesn't. It's just fun for us to be a reason. But I do wish him the best. I think Adam is more professional today. She's.
Adorable. She's so gorgeous. I love how I know she is. I feel like she's like, I hate to say this, like she's like an OK actress I've never been, like, wowed by. I feel like she'll probably never win like an Oscar. Maybe same to him as well. I mean, definitely same. I know. Yeah, I would be shocked. I'd be shocked. I mean, I really, I do like them both. Even though Adam, he did seem a bit dickish. But I do have a soft spot for both of them.
But I agree. I was reading a lot of comments and a lot of people's thoughts and stuff online, and a lot of people agree that they're not, like, the best actors. I think they're good, but it's. He kind of plays himself. Yeah, it's weird. They're so arrogant about being on the show because it's like, I feel like that show is like what their skill set is best for. You know, and you kind of talked this, talked about this in the Glee episode.
But the writers really brought in a lot of their own personalities to the characters. Like a lot of things that they liked, they made the characters, like. So I mean, I was thinking about this like sometimes people, I think are acting. They're totally being a different person. And then sometimes people are just kind of acting like different emotions. Yeah, you know what I mean. And I like I get that sense from this show. But also, I'm not an actor.
So yeah, I shouldn't talk. But but yeah, that's basically Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson. Oh, thank you, Kel, for leading us through that. That was so fun. Thanks, Thanks for listening who thought this was going to be way. Longer, but it did skip. It wasn't that long. Who are we talking about next week? I know. Next week? Oh yeah, Mel knows. Next week we are revisiting somebody, somebody that we have talked about before, a music legend. And it's another relationship in this person's life.
Mm hmm. I guess that's all I'll say. And if you have a guess, tell us. And we always ask people to guess on our Instagram on Tuesdays, pretty much. So yeah. And thank you. Guys for listening. Yep. Thank you. And we'll get back together next week. Is your heart filled with pain? Shall I come back again? 10 meeting.