Are You Lonesome Tonight? Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry? We drifted does your mail. Hi guys. Welcome back to the podcast where we're talking about love and relationships and breakups other people's. Yep and times. Our own. Yeah, sometimes sometimes if I'm going through something like this podcast, really helps me. And I'm not, I'm really not just saying that. Like, I've been with him, I've been in my head lately, the past couple weeks. Like I just in my feels about
stuff. Mmm. And feeling like, oh, gosh, like I can't figure it out. Yeah. Oh, and then really restless. And then, I'm like, you know what, all these people had failed relationships as well. Yep, they still are very cool. Interesting people on their own 100%. It's been inspiring. I'm now by the way if not to start diving into my life and I'm kill and we're cousins, we're not the significant lovers. We talked about the Centennial owners because we're cousins.
Yeah, don't know. We've done some cousin relationships. Oh yes, yes. Yeah. Well we have another someday. Maybe, but yeah. Albert Einstein. Yeah guys. That's an amazing episode coolest. Definitely haven't listened to these fly. No. And I'm not even saying just saying this Mel, that's one of my favorite. It actually is a very interesting story. Yeah, it's got drama. It's got letters. Mmm, I love whenever we get like actual written things from first person from the people.
It's so, it's like, you're going in their head that one super intimate. It. Like a movie. So I highly recommend you guys check that out. This second least popular is the Jane Austen woman. You guys think that these people are born. They're not dead. Yeah. No, no, there was a pirate Jane Austen was hungover. Go hear it? Yeah. Albert Einstein, premarital sex. Yep. It's a little slut guys. Yeah, it's really honestly. There's like, there's stuff in those episodes. Are like more salacious?
Yep. Then the modern day one? Yes, check it out. I beg of you. Premarital sex and cousin sex. Okay. Okay. I'm not saying I condone that. I'm just saying it's in the episode. Yeah. Anyways, this couple that were covering today is Iconic because of the movie that they met on, which is Ryan Gosling. Rachel McAdams you know them from The Notebook. Yes Noah and Allie and that movie is just the epitome of romance.
And I feel like because they dated in real life, people really love this couple together wish that they were still together because of the movie and so I didn't know anything about their actual relationship as yeah. Real human being separate from their characters so I'm excited to die. I've into it. I'm excited to all. I really know. Is that MTV movie award? Show when they won best kiss and they ran across the stage and she jumped up and yeah, it is.
Am I going to get to watch that again? Yay, I don't know. I don't even think. I knew that they were dating, though. I thought they just put on a great show. That's what I thought this is. Yeah. And I also it made me so bitter because I always wish Kristen and Rob would do that like, what the heck Ryan and Rachel did it? And they don't get you like, they looked so confident and it
was so sexy. Yeah. And she will be loved by Maroon 5's plastic and you see, Hilary Duff and Lindsay Lohan in the audience will talk of will get it to Italy because if anyone doesn't know, Robert, Pattinson Kristen Stewart, one like 54 times and they never actually kissed. No. I mean, so the first time he like they start this is I think Actually their best one. Yeah. Is it okay if I talk about? Yeah, their first one. They like slowly edged closer and then she pulls away.
I think that's the best one because there's still like a lot of tension. It's kind of like the bedroom seems while I am. Hmm yeah but then year after year they just keep not kissing. Yeah because they're too awkward. Second one. They did this little bit where they're like bumping into each other. Yeah. And then he like grabbed her and I thought maybe they kissed for down and goes one. Take you backstage. Well, that's that. And then the fourth time he
wasn't even there. And she like, pretended to make out with herself. Yeah, he kissed Taylor Lautner. Yeah, it's just like just. Yeah, so I would go on YouTube and watch the Rachel McAdams, and Ryan Gosling, one and cry. Yeah, I mean, that one is like, if you want to have butterflies, watch that clip. Mmm, but, yeah, the three words. I would use to describe this couple are silly.
Oh, cool romantic and I couldn't really think of a third word and I don't know if this makes sense, but I want to say inconvenient. Okay, is the one. All right I got it so now I think I'm sure it applies. Mmm. Yeah, it's like, this is a think a case of when careers and relationships. Do not mesh with a lot. It does have work gets in the way. Yeah. Definitely happens a lot for actors. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Kind of like LOL and true which he's in. Yes. So that will come up 20, not
really. But I think at the end I want to bring it back to that. Okay? So Ryan Gosling, who's this guy, he was reminding me of Robert Pattinson actually a lot like I felt like he was A Canadian Robert Pattinson. He was born, November 12, 1980 and Cornwall Ontario, Scorpio, just like me. He's his dad is Thomas, Ray Gosling. He was a traveling salesman for a paper mill, which meant he moved around a lot. Oh my God. Check. We could have a drinking game
for our podcast like drink. Every time someone moved around a lot when they were young. Yeah. And his mom, Donna. Secretary in his older, sister Mandy's four years older than him. And I didn't know this that he was raised very strictly, Mormon his family, not Mormon now but they were when he was young and so like hot religion very heavily influenced every aspect of his life when he was growing up. That's interesting. They aren't anymore.
Yeah, I know so but he was very rambunctious as a child. He really struggled with rules and authority and he got into a lot of fights because a kid His nickname was trouble. Jump, this thought was really odd and interesting. He talked to GQ magazine in, like 2007, about his starting point in, like, what got him into child acting?
And he said that he did a backup dance in his school talent show for a girl where he started dancing, like, very provocatively on stage and it got him a lot of attention. He said I go up on stage and start. Dry humping, the state he's seven, this is like insane, I'm grabbing stuff, I'm licking, my fingers, I'm going to grown women and trying to grind their faces. Meanwhile, I'm like, what have been, you know, I was born inherently filthy and then we won.
And we go out on the front page of the newspaper and because I was so young and what I was doing was so sexual people really liked it, they really supported it and then because I won that. I got on a TV show that was like Star Search. My It's were like you have to come up with a real routine and honestly I said, that's what I do. It's my thing. And they were like, but it's disgusting, you can't do that.
And my little mind, I was giving the people what they wanted who are you as my parents to keep the people from getting their medicine? Oh my God, is seven-year-old move. I made up a routine routine that I didn't have the move in. They locked me in the basement until I figured it out and then they made me do it twice to make sure it wasn't an actual routine. Then I went on the show and I did the move and I-10 God. Well, I bet his little kid he didn't really know what it
meant. No, no, that's so weird. Isn't it? Anytime how like people were always like rewarding him from acting like hyper sexual, which is like. That is a thing that like adults do like reward kids for like what they're not supposed to do because they think it's funny. Yeah but he was always performing, he did it Elvis tribute act with his sister at weddings and even performed in the local Ballet company as
well. But despite having a Really big personality apparently really struggled at school and had no friends, and he wasn't bad grades and he got tested for ADHD. He didn't end up taking any medicine or getting diagnosed but his mom pulled him out of school and fifth grade to home-school him.
And he spent, I think they went through all of the curriculum like, very quickly and then spent the rest of homeschooling just learning about topics that he really liked like as well roaring The Beatles and then a lot of like bible stuff too.
Does interesting, hmm. And then at age 12, he went to an open casting call in Montreal for the Mickey Mouse Club and was given a two-year contract to be on the show and he moved to Orlando, Florida. But apparently, he really wanted to do that move like on the show thumping. Yes. Oh my God. And they said, no, you can't do the move. So he was very much on the sidelines because he refused to do much else. Oh my God. And he, apparently, he wasn't as talented as other people.
Oh, she'll like Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera so here isn't featured as much. And then in his second season, his mom had to move back to Canada for work. And she actually lived in a trailer park and Justin Timberlake's, mom became his legal, guardian and took him in what? And he would send all of his money back to his family. That's crazy. JT's mom. Yeah, they were really good friends. Wow. We also have Timberlake and
Jessica Biel episode. Yeah, yeah, we talked about the Mickey Mouse Club manner. Go check it out that Mickey Mouse Club. Yeah, we got busy. Britney Spears episode. We do we should sew around this time though. Like you know Ryan was kind of providing for his family in a way, hmm, But he didn't really mind it. He told GQ, I hated being a kid. A lot of kids feel like they got forced into being a child actor, but I wanted it because I wanted to be an adult. Dolt. Wow, it's kind of sad that is
sad. Hate to hear that. Know that around 15. He moved back to Canada after the show ended and he had small parts in Canadian series. Like Are You Afraid of the Dark and goosebumps and was also a reoccurring role on the teen drama D breaker high for one season and then at 17 he dropped out of high school and moved to New Zealand to start and a leading role of a show called young Hercules. Mmm.
How was it kid show, but he started to lose interest in it because I guess he cared too much about it. And he didn't want to care too much, which reminds me of Rob in a way. Yeah, I could see that. So then he said he wasn't going to do TV. He moved to LA, he wanted to be a serious actor for movies. And he struggled at first because his background was mostly kids programming, but he started to take a really dark
roles to remove that stigma. He played a Jewish Neo-Nazi in the movie, The Believer. And he played an aspiring teenage murderer, and the movie Murder By Numbers, which on that. He met Sandra Bullock and they dated for like two years. Wow, wow, wow. And he played an imprisoned murderer in the United States of Leland so he's, you know, no. Nobody's like dark goals, he really flipped it. Yeah, he's really pretty easily. Wow. We're not easily.
But and then some words that I would use to describe him would be kind of hipster rebellious in his 20s. He was really into graffiti art and tagging stuff in a la la. Oh my goodness, Ryan Gosling. He's been described as having a soothing demeanor. Goofy, intense yet laid-back, strong-willed yet. Oddly prepared to throw it all up in the air. Making me very attracted to him. Well, I already was he is sexy, is hubba-hubba, Miss, Rachel McAdams. Oh, she's a beauty.
She is a beauty. Oh my gosh, incredibly talented, she's what they call a character actor. Right. She transforms into the role. Yeah, I feel like she doesn't think like yeah. Regina George, you know. So different from a lie in the notebook were, yeah, the time. I'm Traveler's Wife. Yeah she really does transform and great. She looks great with every single hair color too. I know she does every single one love her.
Also a Scorpio is interesting to any group you score before November, 17 1978. So she's actually let's see. I think I knew that two years. Interestingly though, as I was doing this research, a lot of people like didn't really know. How old Rachel McAdams was hmm throughout must like much of her
career. Like I saw things that said they were, he was 25, she was 29 and that I saw articles that said she's 30 and then other ones saying we thought she was 30 but she's actually 28 like people can pin same for Lana, actually injured. Yeah, always different age. You would think that someone's famous. That's like common knowledge. I know at least in the case of Lana I don't know why when she first became famous they Said she was a year younger than she is.
And then, then it seems like it was corrected. Or she started saying how she actually was? Or I don't know. Yeah, I just had to pick one. Yes, time. I think she's only I think Rachel's only two years older than Ryan. Okay. For a while. It seemed like she was four, huh? Maybe he caught up? Wow. What the heck? So yeah, she was born in London, Ontario. So they're both Canadian. What have bonded over that. Her dad was is named Lance. He was a truck driver. Her mom was a nurse Sandra and
she's two younger. Siblings Kayleen who's 4 years younger than her and her brother Daniel. Okay, lean. That's what my sister Caitlin wanted to go by. Yeah, I forgot but nobody called her that you can't give yourself a nickname. Never works out. You know what, though? She had a pretty normal childhood didn't move around a lot. Okay, nice. And I feel like I got that from her. She seems pretty down to earth. It seems and yeah, in many ways.
Yeah, she but she did have a very successful skating career. As a young kid, not a career but she did it. Competitively figure skater, from age four, she won a lot of competitions and she was even at age 9 given the chance to train professionally in Toronto. But she turned it down because I think she would have had to move. Wow. And in the Summer she would
attend feeder. Camp. And she like, Ryan hated school and would frequently pretend to be sick so that she wouldn't have to go to school. And she would stay home and watch soap operas, and she loved the Oprah Winfrey, Oprah, Winfrey Show. Oh, I love over to. So I really relate to her. She was very active. She played soccer volleyball. Badminton is on the student council and she worked at
McDonald's, so, so wholesome. Yeah, she had like a really strong work ethic Ugh. And unlike Regina George. She was not popular, and apparently, she was teased in high school because she didn't shave her legs. She didn't know that. Like she was not that people have to, but she didn't know. Like she was, so, that's so sweet. She was like, my mom never told me. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, I, that is a struggle. I remember like having to tell my mom. Like, I think I would like to
shave my legs. I always wanted Another sister for that reason. Oh, and I also had to say that about makeup because when you're young you don't have any money or like a little bit you need a ride to yeah. Store to buy makeup forever and I'ma be like, I kind of liked wearing makeup in the play. Could I wear it and made me wear me go away. My mom was like you have to put some really, don't you care about what you look like. Yeah, I had to ask for everything, it was more the bra.
That was the thing. That was hard that Is hard. I don't remember actually think I just blacked out about that. My mom bought me some but they were so uncomfortable. That I only wore it once and then like for the rest of this guy just did a tank top on me. Nice. Yeah. I feel like my first bra was like a little too big. Oh really? Yeah, I was too small. Yeah. Shaving my legs though? I don't think my mom told me to do it either. I think. Yeah, I just like found a razor and did it.
Oblique of my leg up, look really bad. Yeah, but I remember girls like talking about it and us being like, wait, wait, are we supposed to do that? What's happening? Yeah. Because like, you don't like, when you're a kid, you don't do it and then a certain age, you just start yelling and like, you don't even care about having Bob. Yeah, it's yeah, body hair is so I hate the pressure with things. It's so annoying. Be free girls.
Okay. Anyway, since then she originally planned to study, cultural studies at the University of Western Ontario. But her Drama teacher encouraged her to pursue drama at York University. So she went to college and unlike actual like other people we've covered, she did a full four years. Got her Bachelor's of Fine, Arts degree and acting. And while she was there, she did some film to she films that MTV pilot for a show called shotgun love dolls.
Hmm. And right, after graduating, she made her Canadian film debut in a movie called. My name is toninho. What do you mean films in Italy? And she took her first like International or just like flight in general. I think she had been all the fight once before that was like a half hour but she took her first real flight to Italy all by herself. So happy for her. I'm 22 years old and then shortly after College. She landed the role in the film. The Hot Chick. Oh my God.
So that's like her big. I was me and my sisters. We loved that movie movie little yeah, wow, that was early in her career, really early. Yeah. Wow. I feel like that is such a Unless taken path but like the actors who like go to school for it. Yeah. They like kind of like Joe all win. Then you have it. Sometimes seems like really quick success after graduating because also Mezcal did that to.
Yeah but we do here on this show I think he's been so many people that do like one year and they drop out. Remember, Brad Pitt dropped out like right at the end. Yeah, I think he had like three weeks left or something. That's insane. That's do. But I know just finished. Spanish like you don't know. I mean he's driving. Yeah it worked out but it's crazy but she's been described or I would describe her to as
being reclusive. Oh, silly cute, regimented, hard-working organized and strong-willed. And I have to say like I saw an anecdote about how when she was up-and-coming like, you know, or really like hot in her career like you know, after the new yeah. After Girls. She was given the opportunity to be on the cover of Vanity Fair Photograph by Annie Leibovitz which oh, yeah, huge deal. And she was supposed to pose with Scarlett Johansson and Keira Knightley.
But they would have had to posed topless and she agreed to do it. And then she walked into the photo shoot and decided that she didn't really want to anymore. And, wow, she just left like Welling. That takes a really strong person. Yeah. To change their mind like that. And be comfortable saying, like, actually I'm not comfortable. Durable. Yeah. And just leave that is really strong-willed especially in Hollywood to.
Yeah. That's a huge deal to be on the cover of. Yeah they're like but she could for her and like if she did it like that would be that would have been cool but like she just didn't want to do anything. She's uncomfortable with yeah. Good for her. Yeah. I've seen videos of her lately too. And I mean to each their own.
Like I think whatever you want to do in Hollywood is fine but like yeah she's really like aging gracefully and I feel weird saying that Yeah, but like she doesn't seem like she has a lot of like, botox or anything, huh? Yeah. And like, I mean, yeah she does. But well, it's nice to see. I don't think people should feel like there's anything wrong with just being yourself, you know. Yeah, change anything. And we all get older. Yeah. So it is nice to see that.
Yeah, it's refreshing. Yeah, you like people? Yeah, she just seems very authentic and she's such a great actress. She seems like so good. I'm sure she has like some wild streaks once in a while in her life but it's interesting because Ryan Gosling seems like kind of a bad boy. This is an interesting pairing. I mean, I don't think he's like, Johnny Depp or something, but yeah, kind of wild. Yeah, it's pretty painting. Yeah, I think they both share like real serious work ethic
though. At least was acting. Like I think they both really dive fully into their roles and are both super talented. And was that their downfall? I think I might have been. I mean, we don't know like, let's, let's yeah, let's hear the story. It's walk through it together and decide. So the notebook this is, you know, Nicholas Sparks, such a romantic film. I remember every watch it. Yeah, I haven't seen it in and I've watched like a few Clips to prepare. I waited for you for seven years
and now it's too late. I wrote you 365. 65 Butters, it always quote, it wasn't over, it's still not over passion and, but I quote that about like the snow. Yeah, I think people love that movie cuz like, it's such a fantasy. Your yeah, young love. Like being able to endure your whole life and the idea of like, lost love to say yes, but you never stopped caring about them. I think is definitely the best Nicholas. Barks movie me too. Yeah.
What would you say is second? I mean I haven't seen them all. So I don't know if I can say, I don't know. Walk to Remember. Yeah I think that it was good sad. They all like have some like dying thing. I mean I guess in this one not really but because our older yeah I think like the other thing that I That always makes me think about this movie is just the idea that like, you can have a love that sticks with you even years later like, you know, when you have a friend like you
broke up a year ago. Get over it. Yeah. Some people still think about that. Yeah. Love from like years ago. You know, any years ago? Even the mom in that movie? She like drives to the junkyard with Ali and she's like, look at that man. Like now I want to re-watch it. Oh my God. I do feel like in real life though, they wouldn't get back together. I know that's the thing, but I don't think he's like, I don't know. It's kind of sad because her fiance James Marsden, was such a
nice guy. He was like there wasn't anything wrong with it? Yeah, it's also really handsome. Yeah. I kind of feel like, if I were her I would be like tortured about it. But I'm I just stayed with him. I know. I mean, it's like it's tied together for like a summer. Yeah, I know. She laughs and now we're just talking with them. Movie is such a big part of, like the relationship. That's why people are at school.
They really had amazing chemistry and like you see a movie or show sometimes people have it and sometimes they don't, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're dating in real life but some people are really good at the romance. Yeah, and they had it. Yep. And I just want to talk about the history of the movie for a little bit, so I liked it. It based on a book by Nicholas Sparks, which came out in 1996. And two years later, the film rights were purchased by new line Cinema.
And actually originally Steven Spielberg was interested in filming it with Tom Cruise playing. Oh wow. That's different would have been really different. Can you guys picture that the notebook? Yeah. Starring. Tom Cruise. I can picture it. I can't. But yeah. It wasn't a house. Yeah, and I yeah, I was It over. Yeah, I was like, Ryan, Gosling. That would be like, he pokes up. And, yeah, yeah.
So, but Steven Spielberg backed out for other reasons, and it went through several directors until ended up with Nick cassavetes, mmm, originally or allegedly, George Clooney was then going to play Young. Noah, what was he doing? Young enough to dinner? No, heck then, and Paul Newman was Play older Noah but George thought. That Paul didn't look enough like him. Wow. So that didn't happen and forecasting. They had considered a few people. I guess.
Cassavetes wanted someone who was not handsome, not are not too handsome which Drew him to Ryan. But I think Ryan is very handsome. Yeah, he is. But I think the fact that he had played these darker roles had an appeal because yeah, there is something kind of dark about know. Noah and cast of Eddie said I just thought he was weird
enough. Sorry Ryan that he could just take one look at someone and believe that he would know that that was the person for them but a few other people were considered including Kevin zegers Damien and Gossip Girl. Oh, okay, you must have been young. Probably, maybe he just looks young. So, yeah, he was young on Gossip, Girl. Mmm. He's hot guy. Yeah, he is hot. Henry.
Cavill. Okay he's also a hot considered doesn't get it. Yeah and also James Madison was considered a low he got the second TV. Yeah guy so he's still got a pretty good roll that's a good-looking men weren't talking about right now. These are all very handsome guys who but maybe for a male director, it's harder to know like what is too handsome, you know. So to get into character, Ryan, moved to Charleston. South Carolina for two months.
He wrote on the Ashley River and made Furniture himself. What the heck that is? So Robert man, isn't it getting into the role? He really immersed himself. Did someone pay for his lodging there? He just do that on his. I don't know. I must have had some money. Yeah, that's true. But so I could cast the role of Noah they had to find their perfect Ally and I Yes, they had brought in 10, really big actresses and a lot of them read with Ryan.
Some of them were Jessica Biel. Wow, again, check out our Jessica Biel episode, Ashley Judd. Oh, Reese Witherspoon. Okay, I can really see that. Yeah, I can picture that. Yeah. And apparently supposedly but it's been debated. Britney Spears really wow, fellow Mickey Mouse Club ER yeah. And even though I think Rachel did have success with the hot chick, she ended up being a last-minute audition and cassavetes didn't even know who
she was. So this is like the movie came out the same year as me and girls, which he had filmed right before the notebook. I like no one knew ya Yin has yet. So and the hot chick. She does play like a main character, but you don't see her that much. Yeah, it's more about my God. What's his name? Rob Schneider. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Neither. It's more about Rob Schneider than hurt but she, yeah, it's not really like Freaky Friday, where it's even. Yeah, the to make body swap. Yeah.
Yes, I'm Nick. Cassavetes didn't know who she was. Yeah. And apparently, she was the only actress who when they went in for the audition. She didn't want to, like, talk about it before, like, she just went into the scene. They were all blown away, especially by her chemistry with Ryan, and she got the part. So, Reese Witherspoon didn't get the part and no, it's not because everybody gets rejected sometimes your big names, like, Reese Witherspoon.
I can't picture. Jessica Biel in the film. I know I would have been different. Jessica, Biel, and Tom Cruise. Oh my God, I wonder if it would still be such a classic. I know you. No way to know, you know. So despite their chemistry, Nick cassavetes. He's told VH1 in 2014 that they didn't get along on set. Oh, this is everybody says they were enemies to lovers and there's only really been like
few remarks that indicate that. So I don't know if it's super like, blown up because it is such a clickbait. Yeah. Headline, like they hated each other. Yeah, I don't know. This is what's really don't get along. Nick said they were really not getting along one day on set,
really not right. Came to me and there's 150 people standing in the big scene and he says, Nick come here, he's doing a scene with Rachel and he says, would you take her out here and bring in another actress to read off camera with me? I said, what does I can't? I can't do it with her. I'm just not getting anything from this. What? Well, that's just one day exactly. Maybe they. Okay because if they I don't know if they were dating yet or if anything had happened yet but
then you can have a conflict. Yeah, I don't. Think they were dating but maybe they were attracted to each other and that led to tension. Yeah. Sometimes that can make you annoyed with somebody. Yes. Definitely how much you want to fuck them. Yeah. But then like if you're really if she was really into him and then he like hit on someone else or something I could see being like enjoyed. That's so true. I just made that up. Yeah, exactly.
So true. Yeah that you know, sexual frustration that can really make you angry. Yeah, Nick. Also said, we went into a room with a producer. They started screaming and yelling at each other. I walked out the director further revealed that they emerged from the fiery encounter and they announced. All right let's do this. Allowing the rest of production to be smooth sailing. Hmm. Sounds like maybe they also were just arguing about artistic differences.
Like how they wanted to portray both really into it. Wow, I want to know what the argument was. I know Ryan later said, Said about working with Rachel, we inspired the worst in each other. It was a strange experience, making a love story and not getting along with your co-star in any way, in any way in any way and she said we weren't throwing vases at each other so it wasn't loathing but our relationship was not what you saw. On the screen.
I would say that we were both well professional. And then they dated control volume is, but they weren't dating during the filming. They were hand dating when the movie came out, what they didn't date for a while, but I did want to show you a clip from when they were promoting it and like we can analyze, okay, their chemistry, let me see.
Something I've never asked about. and it's this movie is not that steamy but it's but there's a real Affection that develops obviously on screen between the two of you but you don't know each other when you begin a movie, right? And yet you're going to have to do love scenes together. So how do you get to know one another? Well, you just, you know, you have loved Saints and their private time. That's not true. No, it's because it's because it's sort of a makes you sort of
mildly. Uncomfortable. I would think about how do you How we going to do this? Do you sit down. Have a conversation about it sometimes? Yeah. What's the time we would have a conversation? How are you going to do this? How am I going to do that or well, sort of what's your sign or or you know about that licks? I mean what are you doing? No, I think I was more nervous about it and she was she was kind of people really comfortable. I was I mean I just yeah.
I knew he was going to be a gym. I mean I was pretty sure he was going to be a gentleman and you never know but what would not being a gentleman fee? He asked Being a little bit more aggressive in the scene than you did anticipated. I, I don't know, I think, I think you sort of have to jump
in before you can jump out. So, you know, we did, we did the first scene and we sort of said, you know, anything you're sort of worried about anything you want to talk about and we think we were both sort of on the same page instinctively. And I think what was interesting also about the way that we did the film is that we shot the last part first? And then we did the first part last. So we had an opportunity to sort of really connect and get to newish. Not a large. Yeah. Yeah.
Not a lot but it's very awkward. Yeah. Yeah. They seem pretty nervous. They did. I mean, maybe just being on TV and talking about it, but yeah. Yeah. I don't like, they definitely don't seem like they're dating their, yeah. Like who like the interviewer was a bit flustered to like, you'd as in question and they didn't answer right away. He starts adding to the question nervously does. Maybe I'm reading too much into
it though. I think Ryan seemed to attract its original because he was a kind of tapping on her chair. And like, what do you guys think? Is touching someone else's assigned side. Like, cutting your finger and the pot. Yeah, you know. I think it's it's contact. It's suggest a little bit of. Yeah. Intimacy meeting her halfway. Yeah. But so yeah, they were not dating there and later they had reconnected in 2005 so the movie came out, 2004 1. So this is what's crazy who years after filming.
Ryan told e-news, I don't know what happened. Two years later I saw Her in New York and we started getting. We started getting the idea that maybe we were wrong about each other. What they made their debut on June 4th 2005. My ninth birthday. Oh wow. At the MTV Movie Awards where they walked on the red carpet and then this is the famous cast. Let's let me Scott it. It's so cute. That doesn't just make you
believe in love your jacket off. He he like gives Like the little finger of like come here and then he jumps up and down like to prepare mmm and like he grabs her hair and at then at the end he kisses her forehead or yeah. He's like holding her around. His waist was my pleasure so romantic I love it. That the crowd was green me. I'm like, I would be doing something like that. They seem so cool. They did both beautiful. Oh, I wonder if they still have this trophies. I wonder that Mom.
It makes me sad. They're not together anymore. That's killing me. I know just watching that. So then they even went to the Teen Choice Awards that year where they also won best kiss and they kissed again, not on stage, I think probably carpet know, maybe they cuz it's Teen Choice Awards. Had that, yeah, I didn't know that. You sure they're photographed. In December in SoHo, New York on December 20th where she has her hand wrapped around his arm while she's on her phone.
So like yeah, they're together. Wow. It's so crazy. Yeah, like yeah, yours later. Then in February, they tended the 76th, annual Academy Awards together and he's photographed. Giving her a kiss. We just really interesting because that's cute. He's not as affectionate anymore like he's been with Eva Mendes for years if it's together and they really hardly make appearances anymore. So he's a lot more private today and then in August of 2006, he's profiled in W magazine.
Thin and by Marshall, hey, men and Marshall human rights Gosling and says he had no idea, they would become an item while they were filming. We were together long before we were physically together. He says, all I knew is that she was a force to be reckoned with how I was going to reckon with it. I had no idea. She was not someone you can ever dismiss or put into any category. She's many things.
That's beautiful. And when asked if their relationship was anything like the notebook, he said, yeah, every time I come home, Rachel screams. Why didn't you write me Gosling jokes? Citing a particularly wrenching seen from the tearjerker. Every morning, I put arrows outside her bedroom and I build her a house every week still, he won't comment on engagement or marriage. Rumors, ask her. He says that when I suggest we call her to do just that he
quickly changes the subject. Object to his reading habits. Hmm, interesting. They always got to ask about that. I know he talks about her a lot more than she talks about him and interviews, or back in the day, she's private. She is, she really is, she's about the work, you know. So then they attended the 13th, annual SAG Awards in the Critics Choice Awards that year in 2007, and they were extremely affectionate on the red carpet. Wow. And he's kissing her head a lot,
no signature. And she had her couple e blond hair with pink streaks. Cool. And she can do any hair style. She can crazy. So lucky. So then in February 2007, Ryan is profiled by The Observer magazine, and it's revealed that him, and Rachel have actually been long-distance, most of
their relationship. He lives in LA and she lives in Toronto what, but I think they both Spend a lot of time in both places that same month Ryan is nominated for best actor at the Academy Awards for the first time for his film half Nelson, who's nominated for best actor and he attends the Academy Awards and walks red carpet with his mom and his sister Rachel's not there. That's a bad sign. Yeah, you're in a relationship. Yeah, to not go with your man to the Oscars. That's true.
I mean his first time being nominated, that's huge. Normally, I would say like, oh well you don't know, she could have something going on but that's a big deal. Wow, I mean she might have I did try to see like she filming something a month later. It's March and she's he's doing press for his new film The fracture and he was asked about Rachel and he said, she's kind she Me to do so much. She's the most Discerning person I've ever met.
She'll read a script 100 times. She's Relentless Relentless and she looks stunning. Hmm, so it seems like they're still together. And then in April, Rachel is profiled in Elle Magazine and is asked about Ryan's selection of acting roles. And she says, he's very brave. I don't think he sees the point, unless you can find out what he's made of every time. Hmm. Meanwhile Ryan attends the premiere of his film The fracture and once again Rachel does not join him.
Hmm. So there's more speculation that they're not together and when asked where she is, he said, she's working, we go back and forth. That's just the way it is right now. Okay. But then, a few days later Ryan, attends, another screening for the film. And again, goes with his sister and his mom and people ask, where is Rachel? And he's even asked if there's any truth. Earth to the breakup rumors and
he says, no idea, no comment. Oh my God, I just want to say this reminds me whenever I go to a family party without my boyfriend. It's not goes, I love you guys. But everyone's like, where's your boyfriend, boyfriend? And I feel like they're being skeptical or something, but it's tough because we both live in New York. And so when we're home, like, he has to see his family. So when I'm with my families with his feelings, but but I've never been out of Red carpet, whatever.
So, I can't imagine what that's like, but I can picture people. Just being like, where's your already having trouble? They yeah. They must like the fact that no idea actually. Remember when, remember, when I got dumped like, right before Christmas, everybody was asking me, like, where's your boyfriend? And I have to say, I was like, I just got dumped, people are really nice to me. Yeah, people Are like when you say, you just got broken up with you, people are like, oh yeah,
they really. Are you here? And I'm like how cool, how you're such a nice girl that on the red carpet? Yeah, I would wonder. I bet that's happened at least once, but I've never heard of it. I wonder if there's ever been a celebrity where they asked, where's so? And so, and they're like, they're fighting back tears. Got we, I just got done. Yeah, just broke up. Yeah, that's so hard. Yeah, they have to act like everything's fine. I do think it's a Telltale sign
though. If there's been multiple, Apple high-profile. Yeah, and the partner is not there. Even if they are together, it's just okay, that's sad. Yeah, yeah, okay. So, meanwhile, a source tells People magazine Ryan is really controlling, he has been directing her life, including her career choices. One that can get old. I wasn't expecting that. Yeah, it wasn't expecting it
either. Damn, so meanwhile, there are tabloid reports that they aren't broken up, but that they were taking a break, Nia wants distance so that he In focus on his Sig sizzling career in that, Rachel is not taking it. Well, another source says that Ryan is in love with her, but it didn't work out because of their conflicting schedules. I would not be okay with it either. No, me neither. Who wants to hear? I need a break. A break is a break up. Yeah. Agreed, break is break up.
I mean, yeah. You could get back together, but it's still a break up. Yeah. You know, if you're on a break, you're free to do whatever you want. I think that that's the timeless. We are friends. They break know, we were on a break. I think a break is a way to cushion the blow. Yeah. Not like catastrophizing the idea because it is painful. You think death? The end of? Yeah and ship it.
Is it really is. I feel like whoever initiates a break though they are just too afraid to end it but they want to deep down. Yeah, you know or more. They want to have their cake needed to exactly. They want to leave the door open for maybe but and it may be like sometimes a break is good and it. Yeah. Needed. But you cannot go into a break thinking that like it's a break. He's not a timeout. Like it is, it is a breakup. Yeah, I know I'm thinking about this.
Because like it's just not it's not fair, I think it's cruel to tell someone like I'm not going to talk to you or like that's just not greedy. She's not how you treat your significant other and to give them. Hope that. Yeah we well because I think it would be really hard to move on if you're in a break with someone because you're like, oh yeah I'm gonna get back together
with them in a month from now. So yeah maybe it gives you time to get used to the idea of living without them to I don't. That's true. They definitely happen. People have debated this for so long. They still happen. So then met Ryan goes on a boy's trip to Miami with the boisterous. We have with a guy named Zach Shields. I think that's a Telltale sign and oh yeah, that's break up. That's not good. Oh no, this guy's Zach.
He is one of Ryan's good friends at the time he's actually the boy then boy friend of Rachel's sister. Kaylee Kaylee. Yeah. So he's even seen traveling with Zach and Kayleen, Rachel sister at tired, that's weird. It's later revealed that Ryan and Zack have secretly formed a band not even go to Israel that summer to record music together but meanwhile Rachel's back in Toronto prepping for The Time Traveler's Wife so that's so hard. All this is going on is just
prep for movie. I mean yeah as exciting but I feel like that would be hard. I know. Yeah. At least like it would distract you but I guess like you're still in Toronto to like that's yeah, probably as memories with him there. Yeah. So then Ryan and Rachel both attend, the Toronto Film Festival in September, but they go for their respective movies. I don't even know if they cross paths. With each other, Rachel was there for her film, married life.
Ryan was there for Lars and the Real Girl, and they don't want the red carpets together. Oh God, but maybe they already Gather Ryan apparently takes home a mannequin from the event, which like I think there's a mannequin in his movie and he tells her reporter a reporter asked what Rachel thinks about it and he says she's not happy about it. Hmm. So hmm. But then in October, Ryan is profiled in GQ magazine for an article called The Loner by Alex Papa demmas, which I was like,
why is that familiar? He interviewed us works. This is, oh my On. I remember that. Yeah. We've met this guy and he interviewed us. The good on you for remembering that. I don't know if I would have. Yeah. I was like this seems. Yeah, really familiar. Yeah, we got interviewed for another bite of Twilight and we'd have masks on. Yeah, it's kinda awkward was really hungry his stomach. Okay. He's not, he's really nice guy. He was you have Hana school, he's legit journalist.
Hmm. All right, so what did he say so? Well first, I thought it was funny like the interview takes place in a coffee shop and the waitress already know Knows that Ryan wants meatloaf before he's order it but he's been staying in an apartment in La nearby where he's doing experiments but declines to elaborate, okay? I mean anything, I know they're painting this picture of this
like kind of wacky dude. And on the notebook, he says, I mean, God Bless The Notebook. It introduced me to one of the great loves of my life but people do Rachel and me a disservice by assuming we were anything like the people in that. Movie Rachel. In my love story is a hell of a lot more romantic than that. Mmm, that's nice. He's really gushing about her and then Alex reveals that Ryan and Rachel have broken up.
A few months before and Ryan apparently says that it had nothing to do with the media attention it didn't have anything to do with people's obsession with them and I think he even says it didn't have anything to do with conflicting schedules but he isn't sure what else to say. And then he says the only thing I remember, Remember is we both went down Swingin and we called it a draw and he adds women are mad at me. A girl came up to me on the street and she almost smacked me.
Like how could you how could you let a girl like that go? I feel like I want to give people big hugs. They seem so sad. Rachel and I should be the ones getting hugs. Instead we're consoling everybody else. Interesting. Wow, I appreciate the honesty thing. It wasn't because of conflicting schedules or the Press, I know. Yeah, yeah. Like maybe they just had
personality differences. And then in December, it's rumored that Ryan is maybe seeing Michelle Williams, who had recently gone through a breakup with Heath Ledger and him and Michelle were spotted in Greenwich, Village together in New York and then weren't they in that movie Blue Valentine's together. They were about that. I don't remember when that was fit those later. Yeah, I think that was later is like 2012 or something. It's so true to restaurant. So then it's 2008 and the Press
starts referring to highlight. Yeah, carry on. I was thinking about the Press starts, referring to Ryan and Rachel as friendly X's because also attends Ryan's DJ debut because he starts DJing every week in l.a. at some Club. Oh wow. The Green Door lounge in Hollywood. That's nice of her.
You didn't have to do that. Yeah it seems like they're getting along like she arrives here as at 9 p.m. and she arrives a little bit later and showing her support and then they talked while when he was away from the DJ stand, this is a friend. They looked like good pals, he seemed happy to see her, wow, but I think it's because they're getting back together because then they're photographed in Toronto, having breakfast and engaging in a lot of PDA where she's sitting on his life. Lap.
They're kissing. I'm shocked miling. Yeah this is over. It's not all never over it. Still isn't over so see pictures She's reaching around the back of his head and kissing him. No, it's sweet. And this picture he's kissing her cheek. She is. She sitting on his lap? Yeah it's so cute. Oh, she's laughing. She has her arm around him. Sitting on his lap still. Wow, there gazing into each other's eyes. It's so cute. Really kissing if they seem really in love. But I know it doesn't last
forever. I know and then a source tells us weekly. They've been talking a lot. Their friends are quite pleased that they're getting back together and are trying to give them space. Hmm But then hate to tell you guys by November it's believed that they are broken up again a source birthdays that's so true. It's so true. Wonder why a source tells Just Jared that Rachel is too controlling. Saying this is a second. Wait, yeah, she's to control us but he was you controlling for it.
So we heard before and I thought they broke up. They broke up the first time because of their busy schedules and that's the problem again. They're both too controlling. Yeah. And so I want to, you know, ask you guys like have you ever been called controlling before? Like what is controlling mean? Yes. You know, you have. Yes. Called you controlling my family. Oh, really? Many times? Yeah, I sent I think people call me control, but like here's the
thing, here's the thing. If he's too controlling or if she is but I feel like sometimes you have to be when like you need to get stuff done like maybe. Yeah. Like controlling in the sense. It's like okay we're planning a trip like we need to plan our Jack, you know. Yeah, it's really only a problem when two people are controlling, I think Well, that maybe that sounds bad because I don't think anyone should be too controlling, but some I think more laid-back, people kind of
appreciate it sometimes. But when two people are controlling, I feel like you can really butt heads. Yeah. So it sounds like maybe that was an issue. Yeah. Both have been labeled controlling. Like maybe they couldn't decide on even simple. Things like where they want to go on vacation or like. It seems like they both are strong-willed. Maybe I didn't want to compromise mmm-hmm. Yeah. And I do think one of you been called that. I think, like, I've been called,
like, bossy before, really? And by who? I don't even know, like, I guess like maybe by friends. Yeah, maybe also my family. Like, if I have Things that I feel like need to get done like all like mmmm. Get them done. But hmm. I appreciate that. You need that. Yeah. Like, you need someone who's like whipping people into. Yeah. He would be willing to shake it. Like, come on. Yeah. It on your feet. Like, let's see. Yeah, yeah.
I move on like let's yeah, I guess sometimes in relationships, people can be controlling and that they hold their partner back from the rest of their life. We're like yeah. Maybe they limit their partner going out with friends or like Ooh, yeah. That that I think is where it can get like, really unhealthy. And yeah, that I'm saying this happened with them.
But, yeah, but yeah, there's different like there's different Realms of being controlling like you could there is the really bad one where it's like, no, you can't hang out their friends. Yeah, that's really bad. But then there could be just like her saying. Oh, I thought we were gonna go to exactly only party or something. Yeah. He's like, no. I want to do this and then he's like, well, this is important to me and then, yeah. Controlling. Yeah. Weaponized.
Guess is often times the woman because of said, oh like you're being possessive. You're holding me back. And it's like, you're just trying to. Like, she's just trying to have a standard. Yeah, you to live up to where it's like in this relationship, like at times, you need to be like, if you say you're gonna be here, you have to be here and maybe it's just not a match because if, if he doesn't want to do those things then. Yeah, exactly. It just doesn't work out.
Yeah, if you have like, feel the need to control somebody, Buddy, in order to do what you want to do with them. Like yeah you need you don't want like guys you need somebody that's gonna just beat. They're like yeah. Have to control them. Yeah. You don't have to tell them what to do. You definitely do need to come from my some and relationships though and do need to pick. It's such a such a balancing. Yeah, it really is Yang Yang, you know, balance is the key,
it's hard. So like so many things. Like this is true but also things like this. Are we doing? Yeah, I do feel like I hate that word controlling though mmm because it's so - yeah. We weren't there like we don't know, but yeah, it sounds like two very strong will the people. Mmm, who aren't willing to compromise with each other? Hmm, I do wonder. I mean, I usually don't believe in astrology, but our Scorpios
controlling. And then the other thing about conflicting schedules is like, I know, like he had said like, it wasn't but Can I sad to me? Like if you're just Dad to someone a schedule I know I hate all just outside forces like that cause relationship to end that kills me. So unromantic thing like this work. Yeah. Blah. So busy but you know what? I know they are movie stars. So their work is different and they were both like just rising
stars. And yeah how do you pass up a movie at Time. Just beginning. Oh, I'm not going to be able to see my boyfriend for months. Yeah. I take this role and I feel like everyone around them is probably telling them to prioritize the role. I don't think anyone would say like, no, no, no, you should stay home with Brian or stay home with her, you know. Yeah. Well actually that brings up a good point because there was a blind item in 2009 which people believe is about their
relationship. And it says four years ago, this couple was a hot item. In Hollywood, everyone was crossing their fingers that this relationship would last their chemistry, the chemistry between the two were undeniable in the popularity of the couple was pretty big. Mmm. Why? Oh, why didn't they? Last for, whatever reason, the agent of the female persuaded her to call it, quits sounds like a modern-day Jane Austen novel, the female, the whole
life, didn't lie. And now the damage is done, we hear she was wishes with all her heart. That things were different. That is so Dana. Thin so persuasion. But yeah, like I guess like if she is getting all these big Parts but then she's like a whole but Ryan like, yeah, you know. Yeah, the relationship is falling apart. I could see the age of being like snap out of it.
Yeah, yeah. And I think maybe in the past a woman would be encouraged by her friends and family to step down from her career but I feel like today, no it would seem Week or something because kind of give up your career for a relationship. I don't really know what the right thing is. Like I wish it could be a perfect balance but I know I don't know and they're both young like they're kind of our age at this time but hey they feel younger for some reason. Oh yeah, we are young.
Yeah but like they both like would later go on to be with you know, Partners who they then have spent many years with and had kids with and it seems like they both Sounds like their person and maybe this was a relationship that gave them the experience to lead to that. Which, yeah, everybody, you know, most people have that kind of relationship, but it just seems like at this time, like, this was not a relationship that was like, meant to be there forever person.
Hmm. So, you know, if it was meant to be, maybe the conflicting schedules wouldn't have been yeah, as conflicting but in December of 2008, so I'm going back a little bit. Okay, A source. Close to the couple says, Ryan is still close to the McAdams family and he still speaks to Rachel, but there are both openly single. He still loves Rachel. And Rachel, still loves him, and the timing is off, and they can't make each other happy. Right now.
And at this time, Rachel is busy filming a movie and London. While Ryan is still doing his weekly DJ Gig in La. I can see if you're Rachel, you're like, you can't come to London with me because you're DJing. Yeah, I don't know. Is this really your passion? I thought acting was yeah. Yeah, we do. So this is a month later, it's reported. That Rachel was seen kissing her co-star from the I'm Traveler's Wife, Josh, Lucas. Who she wants a date for a few
months in 2009? Oh, I didn't know that and that's it. Like, it doesn't seem like they ever get back together again. 2011, he gots with Eva Mendes who he's still been with all these years later, okay? Kids, with, I would love to cover them someday.
They seem like a beautiful couple and but a little bit later in 2016, 16 Rachel McAdams is promoting the most recent Doctor Strange movie and apparently there were rumors at one point that Ryan was going to be considered the lead role that franchise and she was asked about this and asked if she would have any hesitations working with him given their history together. So like cuz I'm yeah as that. And she responded. No, not at all. I'd love to work with Ryan again.
I didn't know that Benedict was signed. On when it came across my plate. So he's the only Doctor Strange. I've known of hmm. So very like professional. Yeah there but it seems like there's no bad blood, that's good. And at this point, Rachel was now dating Jamie Linden, who is now her long-term partner? And she has two kids with now so?
Well, things seem good. Also in 2016, they both go to the Oscars. Rachel was nominated for best supporting actress and Ryan was for her movie Spotlight and right? In was there because his film The Big Short was nominated for best picture and they sat only a few tables away that there's no evidence that they interacted inside today. They both have two kids. They both are in happy relationships. It seems yeah. I get the sense that they really
did love each other. Like they've said it but that they were maybe too busy and just didn't just didn't work out. Yeah. Wow, it happens. But I really wondered going back to lala land. When Ryan was filming that movie, if it reminded him of Rachel. Yeah, I would think I almost feel like she could have been in that movie. Yeah, I don't know if she sings.
But yeah, I mean because that movie is about like two people who are in love but they both have such ambition, that kind of Tears, them apart and the end of the movie. Oh my God. Spoiler they see each other again and then it like flashes through like out of been with them. Them breaks my heart. It really seems like that's similar to his relationship with Rachel. Yeah, I wonder if you thought about her. He must have drawn on that experience a little bit. Must have.
Don't you ask? Yeah. Did this remind you of Rachel McAdams? Yeah, lala land. Yeah, she's in the academy. She must be because he's nominated. Yeah true. I mean I think Both, you don't know if she was in Mean Girls. It seems like during their relationship, he had a little bit of a more budding career just because he had an Oscar Nom. Mmm. But yeah. She's equally like she's in so many things but now I do think they're both like a very equally.
Yeah, acclaimed actors. Mmm, I must feel like when they first dated they were pretty equal that me. Rose downwind skyrocketed her and Time Traveler's Wife to, but I feel like recently he's a little bit more high profile but she still has that huge rate. It's not made it still has that huge name recognition. Yeah. Going on. I don't know the Family Stone so that love them. I love them. She's great. Yeah, she really is a different character in that one thing. Yeah, my God.
She's like, kind of She become movie. She's really sweet, guys. Yeah, she's like, Vanessa Hudgens level. This is beautiful. Yeah, yes, she seems really sweet too. Oh, well, it seems like they're both in good relationships. Yeah, families. Now some happy for them but it is kind of sad it is. Yeah. Now I think people really just Pine for them because of the notebook and like I totally understand that you know, they had amazing chemistry. Stream.
Yeah, like kiss on stage, I know, but I think, you know what, like it's one of those relationships where it led them to something else and that's okay, it doesn't have to be forever. Yeah, happens. And it will live on and film forever true and that's it. Likely. Thank you Mal likelihood, they'll get back together. I'm going to put a pretty low. Yeah 2%. Yeah. Yeah. Also three percent maybe you shanz is like older 8 years old like the couple in the notebook
you know. Yeah it seems slim chances. Yeah that would be shocking. I don't think even though they got together when they were young I don't think it's like the movie were like they're pining. After like that's that's the thing in real life. Like sometimes that first love young love or whatever, like it really isn't your big love. Yeah. Not always. Wow. Well, thank you Mel. That is so interesting. I didn't know any of that. So cool. Do you want to tease next episode?
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