Are You Lonesome Tonight? Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry? We drifted does your mate? Oh my God, we're recording. Oh my God, welcome to the podcast. Welcome to significant lovers. Happy Whirlwind Wednesday. This is Mel and Kel and this is our we're cousins. Yep, this is our first time recording separately in different states. Now for this show, good, we're on the phone right now. We aren't we aren't doing a video call. We can't see each other. I think I kind of like that.
Yeah, me too video calls her. Just don't like them. If you think about it, we're kind of preparing for it to be a podcast because we're listening. Hmm, not seeing so true so we aren't yet. This visual cues from each other. That's true. Yeah, I can't can't just motion with my hands, which sometimes, I think when we are recording, we do like make faces and it doesn't really pick up. I do, we definitely do make
faces. Has yeah I am home in Massachusetts. Shout-out Massachusetts Mel's still New York so that's why we're doing this. It's today's episode is very special because it is our first listener, requested officially listener, requested episode, I couldn't come up with what to cover. And so I asked our listener janica from Germany, what she would like us to Cover it because I had to say, janica, you are one of our most loyal amazing listeners.
We love all of your insights on every single episode and I feel bad because she's the best. A lot of people we cover are like American celebrities, but not necessarily famous elsewhere. So she doesn't even know everybody. We talked about but still listens and it really means so much to us, you have no idea. I know we've talked about for awesome likely Oh my gosh, I
feel bad. She doesn't know because Nana guys in the video comment, like I didn't know who this was, but I still love the episode and it's so sweet. So yeah, we wanted to do someone that you love. Same, goes for other listeners to like some of you guys are so, so so sweet and we love you. Yeah, I wanted to do more of these episodes for, I'll just reach out to somebody and say pick someone. And yeah, as long as it's not like a crazy abusive, terrible relationship.
What would you do if someone was like, do I don't know. Do I like one? That's Leland, Melinda Gates, I know yeah. That might be kind of interesting to me but like I wouldn't want to do it. Is the what's her name the actress? That was killed Natalie Wood. Oh yeah, Natalie Wood. Spend in Robert Wagner was her husband. They were like, yeah, that's very famous. We have very famous Hollywood, couple, and she died.
And a lot of people think that he killed their, but like, he was never arrested or anything, but I wouldn't want to cover that like just in case he did kill her, you know, I think, I think we can just position some episodes. Little differently is if they're kind of a thriller or That's true. It G. I don't know because I yeah some things are really interesting
but they are Really brutal. Hmm, I know usually were like, oh love, we love it. Like it's all romantic, but we might be missing out on some interesting episodes if we don't do anything bad, you know. Yeah, I don't know, we just have to spin it a different way, I guess. Yeah, that's true. But anyways, this one Ian ago, this was such a great suggestion because I didn't know anything
about this. Also, the couple is Jessica or Glee a so of The Veronicas. It's a very Italian, last name and Ruby Rose, you might know her from Batwoman and Orange is the New Black. And she also has done a lot of modeling. I didn't know anything about this couple whatsoever. I was just telling Kelly, I don't even know that they were a couple. So this is the first time I've ever truly learned anything like completely new. From scratch, and it was so
interesting. And wow, it's a pretty enticing story. There's a lot to talk about, so I'm excited to get into it too. I always remembered that the Veronica's, I think got their name from the movie Heathers, one of my favorite movies and I don't know. Writer Place. Veronica. So, mmm. Cool connection.
Yeah. And then Ruby Rose, I remember You know, I was on Tumblr, a lot in high school and I remember Ruby Rose was very popular on Tumblr like pictures of her and stuff but besides that I really don't know a lot either. So I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah I think they got their name from the Heather's and also a comic book character named Veronica Archie. Yeah yeah. That's like those two Veronica's together. Yeah. If I had to pick three words to describe, If this couple I would
say public huh? Bold and messy. Okay, messy one, I like it. Yeah, we have a few of these messy ones. Now, I kind of want to go back and like, that's why most, I want to go back and like, do you remember those things in school when you do a presentation or whatever and like, you'd put some words in and like some words would be bigger than others. I was like, oh yeah, they word scramble. What was it called? Yes, I do. Yeah. I know like that and like our Cloud. Yeah, weird Cloud.
I want to do that with the three words for each episode to see, like, which do that characteristic is the most common for relationships. You should do that Mel. And also, wish we were keeping track of percentage. We think people will get back. I know. Yes. And I also know, I kind of want to, like really like bring up the data on this. Like I want to go Through our stories on Instagram because we do our custody battles there. Oh yeah.
See like who which one has like the highest variant or variation or something? Like yeah, which one's the most divisive. There's actually there was only one custody battle that we ever did. We're 100% of people picked one of the people and which was that can you guess? I should know this. I should know this. I because I've looked through it so many times. Like literally zero people zero people pick like, picked one of these people on their relationship. To give up.
I give up. It was Albert Einstein and his wife. Oh no one. I'm surprised. Actually, I had to because Albert Einstein is like the celebrity, like he's the one that we know, I'm surprised. Because I bet a lot of people didn't listen to it. So, yeah. I'm surprised they wouldn't just pick Albert. Einstein. No, they must have known that. He was not a great guy. Oh, I didn't know that. Mmm. So we did this. Episode 9 Stein. He's great. Yeah, yeah. So that's only been a couple
where men have one. Yes. Which way? It's not. It's not impossible, right? No. I think I couldn't tell which caused have one. I think. Jason Sudeikis. Yeah, Jason Sudeikis one. There was one pretty recently but then we're gonna get we're gonna get into the episode Obama scowl Oh, wow. You know which one we forgot to do? We forgot to do robin? FKA twigs. I know we can do it. So, Jane Austen really beat Tom Lefroy. Yeah, seems that one of us? Isn't that bad?
Like he wasn't that guy. He wasn't like a terrible guy. No he was. He was fine. Yeah I'm surprised Paul one. Okay, maybe that's the only time. You guys won actually Jason Sudeikis and Palmas. Go really? What about what about the so Penn Badgley and Blake Lively? I think Blake. Wait, we're almost I'm Blake one. Oh wow, yeah women always win the custody battles. Yeah, but who wins when it's two women? That is tough one has to lose. I know, I am pretty sure for the Lindsay.
Samantha One Lindsay, One. And you know why? It's a democracy you guys vote. I love it, but I think that was wrong. I think Samantha should have won but whatever people don't know who she is. Thanks for the Ashley Benson and Cara. Delevingne one, I want to say that Ashley won. I think so too. Yeah, I have a feeling I know who will win this one but actually you know it could really go either way. Cool. Well II don't know. So I'm intrigued.
Let's let's get in. Okay, so as we talked about Jessica or Galore, I don't care her. Last name is tripping me up or Gilly. Also, she is a member of The Veronicas. She was actually born on Christmas Day. Nice and 1984 with her identical twin sister. Lisa in Queensland Australia. They grew up in Brisbane with their little talion, Australian parents, Joseph, and Colleen and their parents were both. Both very big into music and they took the twins to a lot of concerts.
Their dad used to actually be in a band in the 70s and the 80s and you played guitar and keyboards. So he really pass that down to the girls. And they were musicians and originally they were called the twins as their band name. And when they were 17, they sent demos to local Publishers, which led them to getting songwriting credits on Singles by Australian Idol winners named Casey Donovan and Kate Dirigo, I'm not sure and also this Russian pop Duo, which I have not heard of tattoo.
Oh, I've heard of them. Are you have? Yeah. Like you know, a lot of like Russian stuff I do. I do like Russian culture. Oh yes, yes, sure. The government. Yeah. But I do love. I do love rush. I wish things were different. Yeah. Hopefully someday things will be different. They wrote songs for them. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, as teenagers. Wow. And then in 2005.
They signed a global record, Global record deal with sire records for two million dollars and they released their debut album, The Secret Life of which had their first major hit called Forever, which peaked at number two, in Australia and was featured in the film. She's the Man demanded Barnes. Think they were also fairly. As I was listening to that today and I was thinking oh, this is such a Gossip Girl song. Yes. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Very like late 2000s, they released for additional singles, off that album and they spent a year on the Top 40 chart in Australia.
And then in 2006, they went on their first US tour with supporting acts by October fall and a little-known band named the Jonas brothers and their supporting act, which I think is funny, because I was actually listening to fluently forwards podcast today and really, they were talking about How the Jonas Brothers used to have a song about like Australian girls and how they just wanted an Australian girl. And I was like, oh, that must be because they went on this tour.
Whoa connection. Hmm. It must be why it's funny because they were like, that's so Random, like, why did they have that? And like I had this little piece of, you know the answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, the reason You comment like a mean. This is no. We we love Shannon who actually the reason. Why? And then their second album came out, in 2007, they released. It's called the hook me up and it, did we a number 2 on the Australian charts, that's pretty
impressive. It is their single untouched. That's like their big song. Also peaked at number two and even peaked at number 17 in the United States. So it really expanded them outside of Australia. That was a big song here. It was on the radio. Mmm, I remember it. Well, yeah, I don't remember it too well, but oh, I liked it. I think I bought it on iTunes. I feel like I'm Watch. Am I wrong? I feel like their music video for that would come on on the
end a lot. I'm not sure they got during the commercial breaks, sori I don't know. And then with the success of that album, they embarked on another world tour and just background on Jesse's dating life in the late 2000s, who dated a musician named Azaria real name Daniel Burn. He's an Australian musician from the band, the follow. And I read a report from 2008 that he went missing and no one like knew where he was.
And then I was like, trying to find him what and I couldn't find any articles saying that he was found. But I think he was found. I don't think anything. Hope so. Yeah. Is this man? Still missing. He's not a guy. I think he later stayed. Good friends would just so he was found. I hope he's safe and doing well, how I don't understand. How did he go missing, like where I don't know. As reported by this thing and like his bandmate was also missing suppose. What?
Yeah, that's crazy, but he's okay think and gesso Jess, she just identifies as queer but she did both men and women, okay, so right on. Yeah, we love it, supported it. So, speaking of women, then we have Miss Ruby Rose Lana. Hi Mom. Hi. As her full name, she was born on March 20th, 1986 and Melbourne, Australia. Oh, and I should say to anybody listening that would make her an Aries and Jesse's a an aquarius,
I believe. So today, I was in the waiting room at a hospital and this guy he was like 68 years old. He started talking to me a bunch. And he randomly was like, Your sign. I saw that Scorpio and he's like, oh, it's Leo, stay away from them. Why does later like a couple minutes later he was like Scorpio is a good sign though. I'm like, that's not what you just said. Wait, I have to, I have to correct myself and oh, it's anybody who's really into astrology.
You probably were mad at me for a second. She's just as a Capricorn, not an aquarius Capricorn, shame on you mouths, I'm so sorry. That's funny though. It's yours. Son. I don't know why I didn't expect that from an older gentleman. I wouldn't either. Anyway that's my random tidbit from the day. No one time.
My dad said something about being a tourist and I was like I feel like for some reason I think assume that you wouldn't even know what Zodiac signs are weird and bizarre the vast and I was like why is it kind of Boggling my mind right now that you even know what astrology is at all. I know my parents have never talked about it, but I think all my dad probably knows is that he's a Taurus and that's it, the best. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I don't know anything else about
anybody else. I only know things about my crushes. Mmm. Yeah. Like, I only know, like, the compatibility with me. Yeah, yeah. So Ruby was born to a single mom Katya who had her at 20 years old. And her mom left her dad when she was really young. I think like less than two years old and I think the dad was abusive. So they were on the run a lot. Like they were like, trying to escape this. Dad, I guess is the story.
Dang, her mom was an artist and she was in grad school, when Ruby was really young, and they really struggled financially. Actually, they lived off baked beans and mashed potatoes and they would sleep on people sofas and in their backyard Caravans and staying with different relatives and just not a very stable childhood. And at one point Ruby ended up joining a church choir which allowed her and her mom to live in the parish. Wow, in Melbourne. Wow. Yeah.
Very tough life. They didn't even have a A TV and Ruby never really even considered acting because she didn't watch TV, but she always wanted to be a writer. And she said to variety magazine, I wanted to write a book for kids that were my age. I just wanted to have a way to communicate and speak to kids like me who didn't have someone. I was just this kid who had no friends, who was super unpopular, got bullied and got beaten up at school and was like, I'm going to be a famous writer.
And got one reason why she was bullied so much is because she was very much, not gender non-conforming she came out as gay, I just 12 years old. And while her mom was incredibly supportive, the other kids at school were really harsh about it. I mean, this must have been the 90s 2000s early 2000s. I can't do math. Yeah, she she was just 12 so she's won in 86. Yeah, it's a nice, the 90s. Yeah.
She achieved her head and she also was, you know, poor as well and like people were just so mean I guess girls would write we hate Ruby on the bathroom stalls and she even had to stop going to the swimming pool because other girls would accuse her of looking at them. And so she was really depressed and even suicidal as a kid, which is really sad. And she has said that, like the boys would even Hit her and they would say, like I would never hit a girl, but you're not a
girl. And at one point, it got so bad that she was outside of a coffee shop across the street from her school and four girls. And one guy brutally beat her up so badly that she got hit in the head with a metal chair, and got a concussion and just very severe injuries, and had to be hospitalized for several days, my God, that's serious and 50
other. Other students witnessed it from the coffee shop and her mom wanted to press charges but they were advised against it because they didn't have a lot of money and it just would be really costly lengthy, legal battle, but Ruby ended up transferring schools. And she has said that kids who witnessed it have told her that they had like PTSD from watching it happen. My God. Jesus. Very tough. Tough upbringing.
Sure that has had a big effect on her and her personality in 2000. Fucked up. Yeah, things started to turn around for her though. She is a very beautiful person. She's absolutely stunning is and that is kind of her Saving Grace here at 16. She She joined this modeling competition for girlfriend model search, which is a magazine girlfriend magazine and Australia. And she said she hated modeling
though. She said that she really didn't like being constantly criticized for her appearance, but it just paid the bills and I'm gonna knock and say easy money. But like it was yeah, an easy opportunity, not not even easy but it was available to her because she was so beautiful. And while modeling she worked as a customer service representative, and she did school. And she also took acting classes.
And then in 2007, she entered a contest to be a host on MTV Australia and she won and whoa after that She interviewed a lot of different people and did a lot of just like one-off gigs to doing red carpets. She also do Jade on the side and she made small appearances on. TV shows and she also was a guest judge on Australia's Next Top Model.
So she really was like becoming a household name just kind of you know getting her you know, foot in the door and different different places and I'm guessing doing MTV is probably how she met. Jess, I'm not sure, actually how they originally met but they first started dating in 2008. That would make sense. Hmm. Their first 2008? What a great time. We're really good time. That's really the Pinnacle of culture. So the phrase. Yeah, well you can make up your own phrases.
Doesn't say existing ones. I don't know if it's the Pinnacle I but I it was a good time. It's a very distinct. So the ad they made their first appearance as a couple In April of that year they were 22 and 24 years old, just being the older one and they went to a fashion show. Cool. And yeah, that's all I know for Australian Fashion Week and I don't think they were really reported on too much the next time we see them. As, in October, the Veronica's
released their song. Take Me On the Floor, which has a line that says, I want to kiss a girl, Want to kiss a girl and their music video. Also shows girls, making out and around this time, photos of Jess and Ruby kissing at a bar and cuddling and a restaurant came out and this led to people online back then accusing Jess of being a faux lesbian for publicity because it came out at the same time that that song came out once again. Yeah, once again we've learned kids, don't peek. King.
Being a lesbian. Oh yeah. No I literally read an article actually that was about this and even reference Lindsay Lohan. It's like, oh now it's cool to be a lesbian, like all these fake lesbian? Yeah. Yeah. They're talking about keeping the Phoebe Bridgers one. I feel like, yes, they are Mills kind of accusing her, or of people pretending to be by or something. Wait, snail mail was yeah, remember we do this is a tangent but remember she said like close to pick if you're a by girl post
a picture of your boyfriend. Yes. And then Phoebe did it. Oh, I don't know. That snail mail was like being accusatory. Do we talk about that? We did. Yeah, and you were like, oh, she definitely did that on purpose or yeah, you know, I didn't know. I didn't know it's ill intention though. I thought it was on purpose, but no, I think it was how that's changed. Well, honestly, the comments on that video. A lot of them are people like
debating Phoebe sexuality. It's like that's the kind of like we posted this Tick-Tock that kind of got a lot of use. A lot of people are fighting like in the comments. I'm really not paying attention. Into it anymore but I just see like people like arguing about her being buy or not. Buy like I don't understand why people feel the need to assume somebody else's sexuality. But yeah, this also this also
was around debate. I know this was around the time that I kissed a girl came out that song, very big song and I could see. Like I was kind of, you know, I was getting into the Discord at that time and I was like I can kind of see where someone might be coming from that. Like it's like very much sensationalize. Something that is very detailed. I could Trend.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I think that's a lots of Plaisance. Like you can't be like oh the straight girl from The Veronicas is pretending to be gay because it's like you don't know her at all. You can't say that and yeah he's not so yeah, she was asked about this and she says that was the most ridiculously degrading thing to say. If a celebrity doesn't come out and make a statement about their sexuality, they're a fake lesbian, what happened to privacy?
People say, we set up shots. Have people stalking us with cameras all the time. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not going to be tricked into feeling like I have to make a statement about something because everyone wants confirmation. I'll just live my life how I want. If they want to call me a fake lesbian and degrade my sexuality and my choices, go ahead. I'll just ignore it which is so true.
It's like they're really forcing her to like say, oh I'm gay because they're like accusing her of being straight. It's kind of weird. I know. So was this the first time she had been in a relationship with a woman? I don't at least to the pulse of the public I think she had had experiences previously. Yeah, I know that is stressful. I think that's people come
people kind of do that. Now to when it comes to casting for roles like they're like, oh, you can't cast reactors in like gay Parts, like that's kind of bad. I think too. To force actors to disclose their sexuality to play a part in like you can't. I don't really get the why people say that like are they just saying that people should get representation or something? Yeah, really it's about. It's about the character. Like, no offense, the actor doesn't really matter.
They're playing a character. We shouldn't have to even care or know who the actor is. I mean, obviously we do all get swept up in the fascination and stuff but like an actor. They're to play a character. It's about the writing is what the characters. It shouldn't be about the actor. Yeah, exactly. Because that's the point of acting. I think it's a little homophobic. I feel that imply that like a straight person couldn't possibly like play a gay person to, I don't know. Yeah, isn't it?
I mean, people say it's fluid. I don't know. Yeah. It's you don't know, someone's Love life or innermost feelings and not II mean I understand to an extent like oh like they're like there's not enough opportunities for queer actors. So like we need to allow them for the roles that are not meant for them but like but they should be able to play straight people to, you know. Yeah, exactly. I just think it's a dangerous precedent that like people had to tell you their sexuality to
get a part. Yeah, even if it's like, kind of well intention that doesn't sound good. As I say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's so true. So let's see. So then there's the Aria Awards in 2008 and just tons with her sister Lisa. Well, I think Rosie Ruby is working the event for MTV. But interestingly enough there are reports that Ruby was spotted kissing singer. Vanessa amuro. See backstage.
What? And apparently, the two were pretty drunk blasphemy, Vanessa. Actually this woman, she was kissing who. I don't, I'm not too familiar with, but apparently she had a boyfriend at the time and a spokesperson then said we can confirm Vanessa is not bisexual. She has a boyfriend in Allah. Once again, why do we need to confirm someone sexuality? Yeah, we can confirm. Firm also don't like it is not bisexual, that's not confirming or denying that she was kissing Ruby, though.
That's true. That's true. So that's also her boyfriend is in l.a. that's pretty far that is, but things are okay between the couple. I think they celebrated jessa's 24th birthday later that month in December in Sydney, with 100 close friends. And Jesse's ex-boyfriend actually attends the one that went missing so he's okay. Oh, okay, good.
Yeah. But it's so funny though because I was literally like searching like Azaria found like I couldn't find anything that like reported and then he was at the party was at the party though. So yeah. Happy to see that. It's cool. Doing a totally Australian episode. I know anyone from Australia listening. Hi. Good day, mate. But then their relationship must have ended because what it seems like they broke up and that's the episode. Where just getting a they did break up though.
I was about to lose it they did and they both went on to date other people Ruby in 2009 dated Australian model Lindsay and and they were reportedly engaged. But then called it off. What? And this relationship even included a very messy and dramatically. Of triangle with Australian Top Model contestant Lola van voorhis who I think was dumped by Lindsay for Ruby but then I'm really confused because it seems like then Lola and Ruby dated so oh wow I don't know that's a lot of drama.
Same here Ruby also dated Australian model Catherine McNeil and they also got engaged but called it all. What engaged again? Yeah. Yes, I'm Googling. These women are very pretty. Also that year, unrelated to anything actually in 2010, Ruby tweeted. I'm sorry, but Kristen Stewart, has to be a lesbian. I don't mean to stereotype, but isn't it? Obvious? Which is like, yes, Kristen, I don't want to date women, but I'm pretty sure that's a big No-No until like to out people
like that. I know. But Even though it was 13 years ago, it was, it was a different time. Yeah. It definitely is not cool. But I feel like people just said stuff like that all the time. I know they really did especially like at this point like Twitter is so new. People were really running wild. He's a wild west. Yeah, meanwhile just went on to date The Smashing Pumpkins singer-songwriter Billy Corgan for two years. Oh, they broke up. A poem 2012.
So at the same time, Ruby's career is going in a different direction. So she really wanted to be taken seriously as an actress. So she moved to LA in 2012 and at this time, she really struggled to obtain an agent or a manager. All the business people that she met told her that they wanted her to do reality TV instead because there was no openly gay woman on reality TV. These are there like you would be a huge hit in this area but she didn't want to do that. She wanted to act seriously.
So in 2014, she produced her own short film called Break Free where she fights back against gender norms for women. It's honestly pretty simple concept. Like she's dressed very feminine and then she like, takes off her wig and then she takes Earth. If she cuts her hair, she takes her makeup off, and she changes her clothes, and then she looks more masculine. And but it was a pretty big video for the time within the first two weeks.
She got 5 million views, and I think it has 40 million views now. Wow. And that video really led to her success. She ended up getting cast on Orange, Is the New Black as the character Stella Carlin, who is an inmate who gets locked up while being abroad. So she still Australian on the show. Okay. So this wasn't, this wasn't like season one right now. I think it's like season 2. Oh, okay, because I feel like I was just thinking to myself, remembering do you remember when
Orange is the New? Black was like the first show? They would stream on Netflix. That was a Netflix original. Remember thinking it was so weird. Like, what Netflix is making shows now? Like, I don't know, it was, it was a huge deal. Yeah. And it was a huge hit to. It was, did you watch it? No, I just watched the first season, okay, it was okay, I didn't like love it, or hate it, to be honest with you. Some people of people loved it. Yeah, it was a hit. Yeah, Pete and people loved her
character as you mentioned. She was really big on Tumblr. I don't, I'm, I don't know. I remember to remember, like, Orange is the New Black being big in general on Tumblr, but because I didn't watch it, I just kind of scrolled past all that stuff, but But she mostly interesting lie. Not gained a lot of attention from straight by men.
Yeah. They were like obsessed with her beauty and like it was the kind of the thing was like, oh, she's like the woman that we would go gay for was that thing? Yeah. I remember people saying that the this one article about her says, Rose resembles an androgynous Angelina Jolie. She is a rare combination of angular and soft. She's a badass with a permanently arched brow and a Justin Bieber haircut. In other words, she is a lesbian James Dean and straight.
Women are falling madly in love with her. It was written by Emma Beetle of Maclean's. The Canadian news magazine and I like that at this time, she's dating DJ Lauren abedini and then I don't know, something must happened. They must have broken up because in 2013, Ruby began publicly dating American fashion designer Phoebe doll and they got engaged after only two, Two months, but it's our third engaging. Oh, my God, they broke up in 2015, baby. Doll.
Two months. Isn't that crazy people, some people get engaged in that time. It's yeah, that wow. Oh my gold crazy and days later after her breakup with Phoebe doll, Ruby was spotted out with Halls Lee and there were rumors that they had a fling. And I think they probably did there were some flirty Tweety it but not sure another fling that she had supposedly before. Jess was Demi Lovato actually really hmm in October Ruby tweeted.
I think I'll take a few days off of social media, while Demi, Lovato's friends attack me for being a scorned ex-lover. Get over it. I like the hair. What does a hair mean? I think, like Demi, maybe just like had cut her hair or something, I'm not sure. Then Demi Lovato fans freaked out. And so then we tweeted, I'm the one person Demi has slept with that. Didn't sell naked photos of her. So F 0. Oh my gosh, but now you're talking about sleeping with her. I think that's kind of worse.
Why were they mad when I hurt to begin with? I don't know, but I don't know why she took it to Twitter. This kind of attention seeking it is. I just randomly Googled Phoebe doll, cause I was like, oh, it sounds familiar. I don't know. And I don't know if I've heard of her before, but apparently, her grandfather was Roald Dahl. Oh, isn't that crazy? It is crazy. Anyway, that makes sense I do. It's really common name. Little nipple titties.
Yeah, totally. And then Ruby also tweeted about that Demi Lovato. Exchanged? What just happened to me on Instagram. Wasn't very nice and I retaliated, because I stood up for myself, it's all sorted out. Now, back to business. I do think she has a very, she's very low impulse control, when it comes to social media, And can be a little attention seeking and that will be a theme throughout this episode.
Oh, and Demi. She was interviewed about this, and she said rumors are rumors, and people are going to spread them. You can believe what you want. But no, I was not in a relationship with her by the way. Love is fluid. So I think they probably did hook up. Probably, and then gesso also dated musician, Josh cats of the band Bad flower. For two years until 2016. She likes musicians make sense. They have that in common.
Mmm. So then Ruby and Jess reunited in 2016 when Ruby wrote and directed The Veronicas music video for their single on your side. And in this music video, Ruby also stars in it and like they are acting as a couple. They're making out there doing my God. Things like Very romantic and sexual exes. Wait. So how long had it been since they broke up? Eight years? Wow, a long time but they had stayed friends, I think, but they weren't.
Oh, they weren't romantic or anything before this from they broke up and then the music video. Like, rubies character has an overdose and I wasn't really sure if that was Has to be representative of something that happened and they're real relationship. Because when asked about this music video just said, it's me, me and Ruby Rose. And it's our love story in the video. It's about the dynamic, the highs and the lows of people and love in a relationship.
Wow, she also said we have been friends for eight years, a really long time and it just was honestly the craziest thing. We just reconnected over. This video, she wrote and directed it and is in it with us and we just sort of fell in love again. Yeah, I guess so. And she also said they back together back together. Like they got they found them while shooting the music video. This is, this was like they're coming off as a couple. And she also said, she reminds me exactly how much last time
definitely happened. She doesn't let me forget anything. I don't know, it's just crazy. A crazy thing. When you care about someone for so long and then you have the chance to be able Able to reconnect, we've grown up a lot. We met very early on and we were very different people. Wow. I know you believe that is our really eight years. Is a really long time to reconnect. Yeah. But when they were doing the video where they at that point, they were still exes.
But I kind of didn't understand that because she was like, it's our love story, easy. I can't really imagine doing making a story with my ex about our relationship, but I know. Wow, I know, I feel like that's like, it's really sweet and not to expect that you're going to get back together. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Bring up feelings. Yeah, I do reminds me of on the show Girls.
I don't know if you remember this, but like Adam started making a movie, some kind of short film, or they were like acting out him and Hannah and then it made him like want to be back with him. Mmm, spoiler, then didn't work out. I think that happens with artists. Yeah, we're just hos. Artists. They relive their relationship. Yeah. Fall in love. All of that is really cool. Hmm. And Ruby post on Instagram a photo of her and dress and beds
together in lingerie. I think from the music video and captioned it on your side, and I didn't realize. But just at this time, is also just to give you a historical context. She is a member of Taylor Swift's Squad at this time. Oh, Was she in the Bad Blood music? I think she was. Yeah. Oh, and she, and her views refers to Taylor as her best friend. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, because I think they are close friends, but I don't think they're best friends.
And I think, I don't want to say that's like a little bit, not attention-seeking. But like, I just think it's a little bit of a stretch, but I don't know, I don't know. Hmm, there has so many so-called best friend. I know. No, it's impossible to have that many best friends like what happened to Lourdes to? You're so right. Do they even talk? They were they were like best friend, God, really?
I mean it was that was a criticism of Taylor at the time that like every time a woman was like up-and-coming and Hollywood a music scene that she would like take them under her wing and like put them in her Squad. So they were always kind of like in the background of her still. Yeah. Am I don't think intense Lord. I think she said something once because she lives in New Zealand pretty much all most of the
year, most of the time. And I think she said something once like I don't hang out with those people, I don't know. I think I said I'm sure they hung out and had good times. But yeah anyway but definitely end up the squad stuff. Then in December Paparazzi stamps photos of Ruby and just embracing each other. While on a break from a photo shoot and the two of them along with Jess has twin sister.
Lisa went to the secrets of the lake rainforest Retreat and Australia for Christmas and they posted a picture on Instagram together. Hmm, nice. And then it's 2017 Ruby stars in the XXX sequel, the return of examined. Ur cage, never, honestly, never heard of this. I think something that people are fans of but Totally wasn't ever on my radar. To be honest with you, was it like graded, exercise something? No, it's like an ad. Oh dang. Oh, you haven't heard of it either.
No, they've been diesel. Oh, one of those things, but the to attend the premiere together, they walk the red carpet and Ruby says, Jess is the most amazing person. We just Jam every night. We play music and sing and cook dinner and she's amazing. Raising, she's wonderful. She's always such a moral support for me a moral compass. I'm glad she came tonight. I can't believe it's still just so cool that they got back together after eight years. I know. It's very sweet.
It's really sweet. I feel like it's tough because I know the full story so like I'm not as like, wow! It's amazing. Okay. Okay. Alright keep people also, take you back to the Time, like, people really shipping this couple actually, like they had a really good following, especially on Tumblr people that mean they just seemed like not to use this for to camp at the Pinnacle of Love at this time especially like as an openly like lesbian couple and young.
Yeah, beautiful. Like they really seemed like they were as one would say like goals, you know? Very sweet. Yeah, that happens on his pocket. I felt that way, during the Scott Fitzgerald and Zelda 1, you're like, oh cute. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, if that's all I knew. Yeah. So then in February of 2017, rubies interviewed for the Mark, Mark issue of Cosmopolitan and she says about their relationship.
It was the last thing I expected to happen, but when you're involved in something, Your passion, both passionate about, It's Not Unusual to become attracted. We're now the people, we wish we were back then, and in the same article, she says that she has a very healthy sex life and that she likes to explore and she also says that she's not looking to get married anytime soon and that according to the media,
she's been engaged 5 times. But she does not say, but she does say that she wants kids someday and that a long-term partnership is important to her. Okay, according to the media five times, but has been three, right? I think. Oh my God, she's like Brad Pitt. I know it is a lot of Fielding management. Wow, on Valentine's Day, Ruby post a collage of throwback pictures and she captions that we have some pretty. We have made some pretty bad decisions in our lives mostly
fashion-related. But one decision we never regretted is love each other. Happy Valentine's Day, just Jessica and then just commented. Six emojis, including one of two girls, kissing a love, heart and a lipstick kiss. And then in March, they're somewhat long distance. Ruby is filming two movies in the United States Meg and Pitch. Perfect 3, which I didn't even know that they made a Pitch, Perfect 3 to do it. I don't think so but I never saw the second one. Eat me neither, I did know about
the Meg though. Yeah, I liked Pitch. Perfect one. But I didn't feel like I needed to see. Like, what happened? Yeah, as long as of you see what? What happens next? Yeah, I do think Pitch. Perfect was Very another, like, what symbol of the times of like the early 2010's as well. Yeah, acapella was in. Hi. Yeah, just the quirky nerdy but I'm going up song. People get him really obsessed with like cup instruments. Yeah, but didn't actually is in
that. Yeah, she was in the Third one, at least maybe the second one today but seems like despite the distance, they're really making it work. When she has a few days off, Ruby actually flies from LA, to Sydney to spend just a few days with just, for the Sydney, gay and lesbian Mardi. Gras wear dresses performing. So really, a world win trip for world. When one's? Yeah, we're willing Wednesday,
next month. Adjusting Ruby are Added to be house hunting together after they were spotted touring Jared Leto's two million dollar La home, which was listed for sale by God. I wasn't, they bought it though, but they were photographed at the open house. And in the same month it seems like they take a trip together to somewhere mountainous and foresti not really sure where but just posts a photo to her Instagram and which Ruby is
topless. And she's facing the scenery and she captions it. There's something beautiful about disappearing somewhere. No one else can find you. Accept the only person you never need to hide from. Oh, interestingly enough this same month? Ruby on follows. Jess has twin sister Lisa on social media. What? That's not good. Mmm. So what check back with that later, people noticed that people noticed that, yeah, only a few people at the time but then it became a more important detail later on.
Okay, but for now things seem OK and may just post a photo to her Instagram of a 64. Can Telecaster guitar, that Ruby gifted her which is valued at around 4,000 dollars. Hmm. In the following month, just tells reporters that she's teaching Ruby. How to play guitar in June. They attend the glamour Woman of the Year Awards together and they hold hands on the red carpet and Jess. Where's all white?
And Ruby wears all black and they just look very yin and yang and it's very beautiful, very cute. And an August just and her twin sister Isa fly home to Brisbane to sadly, visit their mother Colleen. Who was very sick. She at the time they didn't know, like what like what was wrong with her. But now we know she had a very rare brain disorder called Progressive supranuclear, palsy which causes neurological issues, including speech impairment and dementia. That's so sad. It's really sad.
And they did, they did. Like, what was wrong with their mom, but she was very sick and I think she kept getting misdiagnosed with things and Ruby flew down with Jess for support and Jess posted a photo of her and they're like, the twins is Mom Colleen. And Colleen is sitting on Ruby's lap, and the hospital, and the captain says loves of my life Ruby and a butterfly headband, GIF gift in Care. Bear slippers to my Pixie, Mama and matching flannel is my
favorite thing about today. So, it does seem like Ruby was like a very solid support system through that, which is nice. So, sad, I know, it's really, really sad, then in October. It's the, the Aria Awards is announced which is the Australian Grammys and, okay, I don't think I said that earlier and the, on your side The video, which is the one that just and Ruby starred in. It was not nominated for the best music video, which is a fan voted category and just got
really upset about this. It wasn't nominated, okay? Just got really upset about this and she put on Twitter, nothing like having on your side past 20 million views, tackle real issues, LGBT visibility and still not get a Best vid nod by. At Aria official. And she also tweeted, can't wait for the equality theme. They push this year whilst knobbing the most-watched LGBT video of the year because of ego and politics and after this away, how are they nominated?
So they weren't nominated. No, I mean you said that it was a fan voted. Oh yeah. So how were the nominations determined? Also the nominations. I think our Herman by the academy. Okay, but then when it's like actually time to pick the winner, that's a fan voted one. I think I don't like it. When people don't cook, when people complain about not getting home. For ya know, feels really entitled to me.
Well, you know who didn't like, it either was, who Jesse's twin sister Lisa. Because, after this, there were a ton of headlines that were saying like The Veronicas Slam the Aria Awards. And so then Lisa posted Jessica Veronica, not the Veronica's on Twitter. Oh, so this led to people speculating that the two sisters were feuding and then people started to catch on to the fact that they haven't even posted any photos together and many months. Oh my hmm.
But I could see being Lisa and being like being pissed about that because it's like I don't want like you said it's like even if like you feel like you had been robbed for an award like it's just I don't know it feels very entitled to me, I don't know. I hate it personally when people complain about not getting Awards it's just there's so few people can get nominated and I don't know.
I think it's very, I mean, it's new Like, sometimes I do think like people are very obviously robbed when they should have gotten nominated and like and and there are time, but it's subject. It is really subjective but sometimes like especially like I can understand what it's like. Okay. Like sometimes Oscars, it's like all the nominees or why it or something like, it's like, I
understand. Like, as a whole like being like, okay, this seems like a very biased selection of films, but in this one instance, it's like what if your music video wasn't actually? Lee like up to par with everything else. What if I haven't seen it? I'm sure it's great. But like what if it just wasn't the best? What if they prefer the other ones? Yeah, they can't they can't just give it to you because I don't know.
Yeah, it's tough. And I just think it also, I'm sure if you're Lisa you're like hey I don't want to spoil our relationship with the Australian recording artists Association. And like, I don't, I don't want us to, like, have a bad relationship with them, moving forward. Yeah, yeah. So speak for yourself. So, then a month, later, same sex. So I don't even realize this same-sex. Marriage wasn't even legal yet in Australia.
Oh, but a month later, the Australian people voted in a survey that they wanted to Legalize It. Ian wide. This was 2017. Yep, it's not crazy. Wow. Yeah, it is. No it's not. But I mean it's not a couple years after the u.s. I know that's true. It just feels like it's a it is crazy though. I don't 2017 feels so recent I know it does. So Jess is Sister. Lisa posted a tweet celebrating her excitement over the decision saying oh I'm so happy you're something.
I actually didn't read what she said, but she's happy. Yeah yeah. And as a reaction to this Ruby A Ruby Rose tweeted. So glad to see Lisa or glia. So screaming screaming in excitement about the yes vote, after telling us, she thinks that we should feel lucky. We don't get stoned to death, like they do in other countries and to get over it a few months ago, really warms my heart. Oh damn, she's posed that about her girlfriends. Identical twin sister. Oh, yeah, twin yeah.
Not even nurses there. And I could say, like I didn't even mention those but like just and Lisa grew up like best friends. Like they're identical twins. Like joined at the hair like literally like band together. Like they're thick as thieves. These two girls. I'd say So Lisa is straight. Yes or okay. Mostly dates men seems she's mostly been in long-term relationships with men. Okay I don't I don't know if he's been with the woman's but seems like she always has a
boyfriend okay. But like I mean there's there's more tweets that will come after this but I think like that's pretty low of Ruby. To tweet that about Lisa, even if Lisa said like get over it, even if Lisa said like oh you're lucky, you're not so into death, which I can see being upset about. So then take it publicly to Twitter is I think really shitty Yeah, II don't like, people are their family drama and stuff like that. I want to know what Lisa meant by should get over it.
Like it over what? Well I have a bit about the, was it the Aria? Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm guessing it was. I'm guessing just was mad that the music video wasn't nominated, and Lisa got mad that she attacking big stink about it made a big stink about it and probably said, like me, Maybe she said, oh, you should be lucky. You're not stoned to death or something like that, but I don't even think she's like I'm I'm guessing Lisa's not a homophobe. Like it seems like she was
excited about this decision. Like she probably did say something offensive but like to then take it to to Twitter and the political climate that they're in like knowing that people are going to go after Lisa. Like I think that's pretty shitty. I'm like that's a very private can't take that back really too. And to make her seem like she's like homophobic, obviously, she's not her twin sister, her best friend is gay?
Yeah, I do think that would suck to hear like, maybe belittling, like, I don't know if they're complaining about, you know, the state of gay people in Australia and how much it sucks. And then she says, like, well at least you're not getting stoned and yeah, I don't know. It is belittling like middle yesterday, never but It's tough. It doesn't. Yeah, I'm sure she isn't like a full moon homophobe and like maybe it was taken out of context. I don't know. No, I think so.
And like also like I think families have it is like if you're that close with someone like you're gonna say something offensive to them, but like you need to work that out privately. Unless it's like to a point where it's like, there's no coming back from that. Like, if I said every like if I was famous like, I could cancel every single family member. If I like said, every shitty thing they've ever said or done.
Well, family family is always way harsher to family because you can be exactly because they're just rough Walser. Yeah yeah yeah. And That's like you know it is. Yeah misspeak around them like you say yeah really hurtful things sometimes when you really want to hurt them. Yeah. But like it's because you know that they're Never Gonna Leave You which maybe is not a good thing but it's like to then have Ruby like go and like painter out to be this villain. I think that's like really
shitty. That would be really tough. I think they'll be really hard for Jess. That's such an awkward position to be in. Yeah. So oh day later Ruby post an Instagram story with Jess asleep in her arms and she writes I'm always and just as asleep and they're at the airport waiting for a flight and Ruby writes. I'm always woke though because I'm her little protector and then people get mad at Ruby for going after Lisa and She says it's an emotional day.
I'm a human being and need to remind myself not to let the people below try to drag me down. And then a few days later, Lisa posted a response and she said this past week. I have been accused of making intolerant, statements, and holding and tolerant views. I did not make those statements and I do not hold those views. Sexuality has never played a factor in my acceptance of
people or their relationships. I have, and always will continue to show my unwavering support for the LGBT, I Community with pride and continue to celebrate love acceptance and tolerance. Lawrence within our country and Community. Mmm. And like I don't know her personally but like up until like even like a year before like Lisa was hanging out with Ruby and Jess like she was
posting pictures of them. Like she likes her whole, the whole Veronica's music video was like Jess and Ruby like making out. I just would find it hard to believe that she would be like homophobic in that case. Just think it's a really strong accusation to make. I could actually see her being Oi. That Ruby is kind of becoming the center of attention. Yeah, with their band but at least I do in the video, I don't I don't I don't know if she was in it actually.
Oh, so then just released her own statement and she said with the comb, my conversation that was happening in the lead-up and outcome of the marriage equality result this week, I feel it is necessary to share some feelings. I may not have struggled with inner turmoil. But that doesn't mean I haven't struggled with people close to me, degrading my sexuality because of their own personal
judgments or ignorance people. Can publicly support the LGBT community, but behind closed doors and flicked deep pain because of their own inability to accept her. Understand you, as a part of that Community, she's added that can be particularly difficult and heartbreaking experience, but one that has been a private and feel struggle in my life. For anyone struggling in silence, please know that you are not alone. She talked about her sister sounds like it. Oh no, her identical twin
sister. And I just find it really sad that the sisters are fighting at this time because keep in mind their mom is very very sick and they have been closed their entire life and it seems like they would be like the only two people who would really understand that experience with each other and like it would be nice if they could like lean on each other through it. But yeah.
Sad. It doesn't seem like they have each other then in December Ruby and I'm sure it sucks to if you're a hardcore Veronica's fan. Yeah. It's almost like they're breaking up which is like usually. Like I remember like people are upset about the Jonas brothers breaking up. It's like they're settling. I don't know if it is weird. We bands break up all the time but you just don't expect that with sibling know. No. Oasis the brothers. Hate each other really? Yeah, they absolutely hate each
other. What happened did a podcast about siblings significant, siblings? I mean, that's like, that's problem. That's an area of people haven't really delved into it. All the sibling relationship is I think I don't know, there's nothing like being best friends with a family like Kelly and I owe your best friends. But it's like, oh shucks, because of her also related to each other.
We have this like, Glue that keeps us together that even if we have a disagreement it's like we're never going to stop the deeper level. Yeah it's way deeper. Yeah it could have a falling out like in theory like we could have a falling out where we like don't speak to each other which I don't Envision happening but it did. It's like we'd still see each other at family events every now and then. So, Yeah, yeah, it's definitely different from just regular friends.
I don't know, I feel like that you can Envision someone just totally disappearing from your life or, you know, not being in touch anymore but yeah, I know I feel like it's not as possible within me. So yeah, with a regular friend fight like sometimes you can be like oh yeah. Oh that's a. This is over. Yeah, this is over. I know and like you don't Don't with family, it's like they're always going to be your family.
So like yeah, there's I know some of my friends, we really like we don't have arguments and so I feel like, even if we had a little bit of a scuffle, I would feel like very anxious that. Yeah, our friendship is over forever or something. You know, it's so funny like in our group message with like, me, you and Kaitlyn and Shannon sometimes we can get in an argument about something so silly. Then in a different group message. We're like talking about something funny.
I know I feel like we haven't had as many arguments lately. No, yeah. It's usually like two people. Two people like like, either a movie or an actor or something into people don't know. It's a stupid. It's always 2 verse 2, which is good. Yeah, but nothing. Don't be so sad. If it's 3 verse 1 it has been three verse one before. Yeah but it's usually I feel like it's not I don't feel like I've ever been the one. You're lucky. Anyways I don't know. I feel like maybe Caitlyn's been
the one before. Yeah I think Shannon maybe. Oh maybe me but I can't remember. So it's all good. Now they usually don't last very long. Fitz. Oh yeah, Ruby goes on the Aussie radio show. Kyle and Jackie. Oh, this must be a very popular show because it keeps coming up in my research with this. Okay. And she's there to promote Pitch, Perfect 3. And she's she opens up about the difficulties and their relationship and just being long
distance. And she says, every relationship has its ups and downs and great moments. But that's what I love about it. I swear by it with every relationship ever. And that's therapy. I think it's the greatest thing. Thing for an individual. First, you need to know yourself and heal yourself, and love yourself to love someone else. We all communicate so differently. Depending on what we've been through in our lives, and what walls are up. So, doing therapy and then just working together.
You find another level of understanding and appreciation. We're at a point now where we properly know how to communicate, long distance, which I think has been the hardest thing. So basically revealing that hurt and just start in couples therapy. Oh wow. Yeah which interesting I think couples therapy. It does seem like it is a good thing but to be in couples therapy that early into dating is quite rare. Would you say right?
Yeah I would I would say it is a good thing but I know I think you maybe this is just our bias is going into it or. Yeah. But usually you think of Is a couple that's been together for a long time and they're trying to make it work because it's important to them but yeah, I don't know. I mean, they, I guess they reunited after a long time but it is surprising. It's surprising. I don't think that it's
necessarily a bad thing though. Like, because I almost wonder what it would be like, if couples, like, just did couples therapy like, from the get-go. Like, if that, is everyone there? Yeah. Not sure. Wow. So, then they attend Did the Pitch, Perfect 3 premiere together, along with Ruby's mom, Katya and just post a photo of the three of them together and says last night with two of my
favorite women in the world. Rubes you work so hard in the strength of your beautiful mind and body as they carry you through all your dreams. Inspires me everyday. You don't need this dress to shine but God, you looked perfect. Wow. And their photograph kissing at the airport together. That's really sweet, really sweet. They seem incredibly supportive of each other and just like
madly in love. Oh, then it's 2018 and Brew be undergoes, spinal surgery because of a herniated disc that she got while playing the Batwoman in the CW shows. There's like a couple shows where she plays Batwoman in, okay? And she needs to be in a wheelchair and then she has a walker and a cane and she bought it. So how she's struggling with it. And she also posted an Instagram picture of her and Jess with a caption that says behind every strong female lead is another
strong female lead. Hmm she's a big and so I don't know what's up with Lisa, I know. Yeah, that'll come up. So and okay. It seems like things are actually patched up with these sir because Jeff supposed Instagram, a photo of her, a friend Ruby Lisa. And another friend together with a caption that says this week, I experienced what it truly means
to love myself. And these three Souls were waiting to surprise me. And welcome me home, I actually think only one friend, besides the two of them. Wait a second who wrote this? Jess. Okay. So carry on seems like things are good. Then it's March and it's the 10-year anniversary. Three of when Ruby and Jess first met and gestures photo of them together from 2008 with a heart-shaped balloon that says love you and she wrote ten years
ago I met a goddess and Ruby commented. 10 years with you. That's my answer. Wow. But then in April on April 1st Ruby announced the Snapple has officially split up. She says what I've shared the past two years, learning, and sharing my life with an amazing human being an experience for which I am very blessed. Breakups are always incredibly hard on the people involved but I can only be grateful for the experiences.
We shared, it's with a heavy heart, to share that Jess and I parted ways a few Months ago, we still love each other very much, and I will always support her and be her biggest Advocate, which it wasn't a few months because the post that was through. Yeah. Well, suppose we want to say Ruby Ruby. I kept catching her in Lies when it comes to the time.
And I think like, maybe it's unintentional, but like she would always sit, like she would be like, oh, back when we were together in 2009. Like, no actually work together, 2008. Or like she would, ya Technically, that wasn't ten years together. Know she would say stuff like that, a lot, he, where she would like really exaggerate how long something was interesting.
But so people thought this was an April Fool's joke, obviously, because it was April 1st, that's stupid, a, you should not you should not announce a breakup on April 1st. Yeah, you should not you should announce anything on April 1st. That reminds me. I'm Robin. FKA twigs engagement was got him out on April 1st but that turned out to be true and I'm guessing this turned out to be true today. It was.
Yeah, because I'm Ruby tweeted. I understand it's April 1st, but I would never use something called personal as an April Fool's joke, really bad. Timing tells me that she didn't really think about it before posting that because I feel like you would be like, okay. Now I can't put this out. Today, I'll wait till tomorrow. I think it's a little weird boasting about it in general. I know some celebrities do that
but what do you think? Yeah I've seen some non-celebrities do it. Yeah yeah really weird to make it. I don't think I can totally get posting on Instagram picture of this kind of like sad or like one through bro. I don't know, but it's weird to like talk about your recent partner like in the third person and kind of like PR type of statement.
I don't got because it almost sounds like like when someone when you announce like someone in your family died or something like we know, they meant so much to me. It's like, I don't know because it was a breakup. Like, there's a lot more complex feelings that go into that. Like usually you're not really oh, I wish them the best. It's it's like, no, like all. Why ourselves to just be like bitter and upset about it in private?
Like you don't usually put on this facade to the public that you're really sad that you're really happy for them, you know. Yeah, I think I would be pretty freaked out and maybe even like devastated if my ex-boyfriend. Was it something like that guys? Like that's like it's really over. I would be reeling. I don't know. It's a kind of embarrassing. I know. Yeah, I'm very yeah. People do it.
Very PR. Yeah, I hate these like HR templates that people with me to hopefully that dies out some do. Yeah, definitely, I just got a chart template myself, a couple weeks ago. It was not great. I would rather someone be like, I would rather somebody be like, hey, No, I just really don't like you that much, like let's end this. Now then to be like, a whole statement, that's like, yeah, reflecting on my knees.
I don't think that you and I can offer each other, what the others looking for, and I can't sleep in an emotional capacity. Oh, I am heartless. Yeah, it sounds like you're getting laid off. People need to stop. Okay. But so, yeah, they broke and I feel like whoever posted first, it feels like they Chose it. Exactly. No, that's so true. It seems like they were in control which I think is actually the opposite in the situation, but I mean, it's
really over. Once you post that, like there's no going back. Yeah, happened. I don't think. Oh, my God, we I totally forgot to actually see this thing that happened years ago. Oh, I'm mad at myself. That's okay, so before I asked what happened, and you have some Insider knowledge.
Yeah. So I must have skipped some this part in my notes, but like months before, this Ruby actually deleted her every single picture of Jess from her Instagram. So people had actually speculated that they had broken up like months before breaking. Yeah. Oh, that is a very telling if someone deletes every picture but then they were spotted out together like a couple days later.
And I think that's like when they Did some events together so they must have broken up and gotten back together. Yeah. Damn, but so that kind of shows I think that maybe there was some rockiness in the relationship to begin with. So they're broken up and in May Ruby post a screenshot of a tweet to her Instagram which reads the greatest act of Love is letting go. If you love them let them grow to go if they come back dot dot
dot and then diamond ring emoji. What so to me that says that Ruby thinks that like she's letting just go so that she'll come back to her, you know. Oh like to me that says, meaning Jess ended it. That's what I think. Mmm. So then following the split just is seemingly she's focused on her family like her. Mom is very sick, she's home and Brisbane with Her sister and they are doing a dementia memory run and walk together.
It seems like they're really just there for their mom that even postponed their upcoming album just to spend time with their mom. So I don't think. So, Jess hasn't said anything about The Break-Up, I don't even know if she's like thinking about it. She's really just focused on, you know, her family.
Well, that's good. Then in July, I think it seems to me. Like Ruby and Demi Lovato were hooking up because well Demi commented three heart-shaped emojis on one of Ruby's posts and then Ruby responded to it. Hurry and then know Ruby. Also posted a story of her legs on a yacht with her hand on her crotch and then she tagged Demi Lovato where her crotches? Whoa. Okay. That's very telling.
Yeah, Then Ruby seemingly confirms that she's in a new relationship because she does a Q&A on her Instagram stories. And someone asks, do you have a boyfriend or a girlfriend? And she posts a picture of her and a male friend? And she writes, this is my man, but my girl is none of your
business, LOL. So I don't know she's really, I don't know if she's dating Demi Lovato or if she's dating someone else or if she just wants to make it seem like she's dating somebody else you know hmm like she could have asked that was that guy? I don't know. Some random guy she gave a she's not dating him know. She could have honestly ask that own question and like the Q&A just like have that answer. Yeah.
You think that's a possibility? Yeah, I think XO, this is only really three months after the breakup. Oh, I do think she was hooking up with dummy guns to my head. Yes. Seems like it that, hurry, that kind of grosses me out for some reason her and dummy. One of the comment, hurry. Oh, I know, hurry, it sounds like come have sex with me. It's soap.
Public like I just yeah I don't I don't know I think it's a little attention sinking especially since dummies like a more famous person but that's just me. Then in September Jess does a Q&A on her Instagram and someone asks her and then wonder if she just wrote this herself. Someone asks, how do you break the cycle of going back to a relationship that brings out the worst in you? And she gives a lengthy response. She says, please don't be hard on yourself about it.
It's possible that you were caught in a chemical cycle called trauma bonding. We produce the stress hormone cortisol, when we are in an unhealthy or abusive relationship paired with dopamine when given affection as a reward. Our bodies actually become addicted to that cycle. It can keep us in an unhealthy relationship for a long time and explains why some breakups Feel like purging an addiction when it's over, we are essentially having to break a biological dependence as well as an
emotional and psychological one. Take steps like you would breaking an addiction a 12-month program or 12-step program or any support system that can help you and reminding you to stay strong and keep moving forward. Wow. That's very telling to me, like that tells me that she in that moment has really done a lot of research about coming out of unhealthy relationships. Yeah, which to me is very indicative. Probably of what happened with her and Ruby. Mmm, probably.
Another person asks, no, and again, I wonder if this, if she just This herself but someone asks is a partner not getting along with your family, a deal-breaker. And she says, oh there are a lot of people in our Lives who might not get along with our families even ourselves at any time. It depends on the relationship and personalities and hand.
There's a big difference between someone not getting along with your family and someone outright abusing manipulating and bullying, your family and or isolating you from them. The latter tends to be the deal breaker for me. Me baking from experience? Yeah I think so but that's good. I feel like yeah I don't know if someone asked me that question. I feel like I wouldn't because I haven't really experienced that. I wouldn't be able to say something like that.
Like that's a deal-breaker for me. I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it. I don't know if it's a deal-breaker per se for me because I do think I think it's like very common for people to have problems with their in-laws, at least in my experience, like my mom and my grandmother, my dad's mom never got along ever and I wouldn't want to ever repeat that in my life.
Like I think for me that provided a lot of yeah awkwardness because I love both my grandmother and my mom and when they fought like so awkward and like even like I don't think my dad like love dark grandfather, like my mom's dad, but I think that's common in marriages. That you don't really like always loved the family that you're marrying into its, but that's why I wondered, if that's her experience because it seemed like she had quite a reaction.
I don't know. Yeah, well, definitely, I mean the fact that Ruby like really Set Lisa up to be in the firing line. Of like thousands of people online. Especially in a very heated political time. I think that is kind of like bullying her in a way. Yeah, she's taking something that was very private and like maybe easily misconstrued and Like making it very public for people. I know. But it's internet.
At least in the u.s. like Ruby is more famous than yeah, the to. So it does feel like, punching down. Yeah. And the Ruby has a very loyal following. So then in November, Lisa, gets married and just post a photo at her wedding. And Jess is in a new relationship with an American musician named Kai Carl, Then who is actually 12 years younger than her? He's 21. She's 30. What the hell are you post a picture from the wedding with
Kai sitting in her lap? And the caption says luckiest or she sitting on his lap and the caption says luckiest and then Ruby commented congratulations. So happy for you both. Oh that's nice. Yeah, it's nice. But then just responded I oh I love this stuff. Like I hate to say it but I do Ruby. Oh, Jess wrote back. I have requested. You not contact me for over four months. Now, you act like you have been given my grace of being ignored
on every other private platform. So the fact that you Continue to ignore this to contact me here publicly. Under the guise of wishing me. Well is continued harassment. Can't believe she said that publicly not crazy. Oh, so that's okay so messy. But so like I wonder not saying that I fully believed just a hundred percent but like Ruby must be contacting her non-stop, which I do think it seems like Ruby was the one that was broken up with. Hmm. Why do you think?
Why do I think that? Yeah well I mean no no not why do you think it? But why do you think Jess broke up with her? If you had to get well I'm just actually kind of reveals that a little bit later. Okay? All right. So I'll just hang tight. Yeah but it's that's crazy. That's like really bones of just to respond.
That way, if someone won't leave you alone though and then they commented publicly on your Instagram, you would probably be like, oh yes, is enough like I'm I have to embarrass you for you to stop harassing me like this. Wow. And then Ruby responded. This is news today, Monday, copy that Good Vibes only. Hmm. I mean that would be okay let's take rubies Personnel, playing
cool. Yeah, let's take rubies perspective on if she hasn't been contacting dress at all and just just said that for no reason, that would be kind of footage. He has been, but didn't know it was so, Oh unwanted, maybe that's true. Is really sad. Ruby's making it seem as if she hasn't been contacting just at all. Like I just find it hard to believe that just would comment that if it. Yeah, me too. But maybe I mean, we don't know. I doubt it.
That's really aggressive. Yeah, if it wasn't true. I mean, to be honest with you, I don't think I think it's like unhinged to begin with unless you're On very good terms for. So this is a hard launch that jested with her new boyfriend. This is the first time they posted something. I think it would be unhinged for you to comment on your ex's Instagram photo of a hard long relationship. So happy for you both like that's no. You're not like let's not play games here.
Yeah. That is kind of crazy. Yeah, I would be very weirded out if my ex supposed to come too. Yeah, I would be I mean I would be freaked out and then even more if he had been contacting me and I said stop it. Yes, that's kind of scary actually because then also you're like I don't want that my new partner to see that. Yes, embarrassing.
So then in 2019, it's February and The Veronicas are doing an interview with Stellar magazine and are asked about their rumored Feud from 2007. And S says, we were so connected, so close for that to be a threat. To anybody has been one of the hardest thing of the fight was in 2017 owed. I said, 2007, I think so. Oh yeah, 2017. Sorry, she's sad subject just says, we were so connected. So close for that to be a threat. To anybody has been one of the hardest things for me to understand.
Nobody should feel like they can force themselves into your life. How it suits them when It's toxic and unwarranted. Hmm, which really makes it seem as if Ruby was trying to tear the sister sisters apart. That's why I don't know. So, then, in March The Veronicas finally, release new music after a really long time on Hiatus, and the first single since 2017 is titled without you, which is seemingly about leaving a
controlling relationship. And one of the lines is, I know that you would rather keep me in a prison, I can't leave. But the truth is, you can never take my freedom. I'm without me. Hmm, and I just thought that was just interesting because Prison, oh, Orange Is the New. Orange is the New Black and without me isn't the song that they did together like with you or something?
But yeah, I think it's obviously about ruby and then there's another song called think of me which is About an ex-lover in the lyrics are. Do you miss me and your sheets? Do you miss me in your bed? The way we talked all night, the way I gave you had, do you think that she's the one or do you just pretend? And when she says it's love, will you think of me instead you got your initials around my
neck. One-of-a-kind, she have one yet and I bet you chained charge her rent to sleep at your house. And if she's ever late, I bet you kick her. Her out six times in parentheses, which is like, makes me think they broke up six times. I underestimated how complicated you are. I don't miss being hated. I don't miss fighting your war that you miss me in your sheets, bet you miss me in your head and these are Pete and then just told the News Corp in an interview. This song is our sarcastic.
Comedic way of looking at a relationship which under all of it was incredibly painful. And tough. So we find ways to laugh. Wow, and they filmed this. Oh no. Sorry, the song before that was with Ruby was called on your side. So I remind about that, but they deliberately filmed this music video in the same location where they had filmed the on your side music video to make new memories. So it's pretty obviously about Ruby. Yeah, because it supposedly. So just these are just got
married. I don't think she has any recent exes. So yeah. So Jessica's on the Kyle and Jackie. Kyosho and she is asked about her breakup with Ruby and she says, you know, it's a very complex relationship. I'm still trying to come to terms with the reality of it every day so it's really hard to explain to anybody. There was just so much that happened so much that I can't even get into. At the end of the day. I think the most important thing to remember is that we're all
human beings. People have their struggles, people have their inner demons, people have their own stuff going on. For me, it was time to leave that situation. Isshin and be as a happy and healthy and be as happy and healthy. As I deserve to be very nice response. And yeah, in the same interview, just said that the feud between her and Lisa was her faults. And that she had to work through some stuff in her own life. And then Lisa, very sweetly says, definitely not your fault Jesse.
Oh, which okay, definitely makes it seem like there. A yeah, definitely say rubies ball. Yeah but I think it's nice but Lisa is very forgiving and supportive of her sister. It seems that is nice and November 2019. The Veronica's released our reality TV series about their life called The Veronicas. Blood is for life and in it, they talked about how they didn't speak for an entire year which is crazy. That is not bad. Really long. Four Sisters, not talk. Yeah, that must have been really
serious. Whoa. And just said I was in a relationship that wasn't good for me. I became isolated, I had nobody anymore. I only had my relationship and then she starts crying and she says, although I have so many regrets and staying as long as I did and not standing up for myself. I did the most that I could in love that person the best I could.
I do so much work on the idea of acceptance and forgiveness and whatever happens from there is that person's Karma, it will continue to manifest what their life is and I will continue to manifest. What is for me? And then Lisa says in the documentary or the reality show when someone goes through that kind of relationship that Jess was in. It's not like one day, they wake up, okay? And you forget all those different things you were made to feel man.
Sounds like it really, really, tore her up and like still kind of did. Yeah. It sounds like she's saying it was like an abusive and emotionally abusive relationship, or at least a toxic one, but there probably is. So much sadness that like it did go that way and then it couldn't work out and that it wasn't. That's also a really cool to be good. That's a really hard thing when you're in a relationship where it is isolating from the other
people in your life too. And I don't know if that's necessarily like a tactic that like was going on here whatever. But then I feel like that makes it even harder to leave because you're like, well, everybody in my life, hates me because of this relationship that I'm In. So like, who is there to turn to but it's nice that like it seems like for Jess her sister was still there with open arms and I mean, when you're a twin you guys might not know that I'm a twin.
Yeah. Like that's your built-in best friend like the I can only imagine how heartbreaking that must have been for Lisa. That her sister was in this relationship. That was like, taking her away from her, I know. She might have thought that was how it was going to be forever. Yeah. Oh I didn't write this down, but Lisa also said in the reality show, like, oh, I became the enemy in this relationship. I could see to maybe, like, not saying that Ruby Rose
necessarily felt this way. But like maybe someone might feel threatened, dating someone who's an identical twin because when you're a twin, you do have such a close bond with your twin. And your joined-at-the-hip you're always doing things together and a partner might not necessarily understand that when they want to be your number one but you already have a number one since the day that you were
born, you know? Hmm interesting that's so weird to me though because I feel like it's so different being romantic with someone or being a sibling. Like even when I don't know I just I would hope that Ruby Rose wouldn't be so jealous about that because like, what the heck is not the same and I know, but like, I think, It would take a very insecure person to be
threatened by that. But like, I think some people might still, I think some people do get jealous of things that even aren't like going to romantic threat to them. Interesting even. That's why I like honestly I think that's why in-laws Feud with each other right though. Because like it's like oh you're taking my son away like maybe you know they like but if possessive I'm just saying like I don't I feel like it's just looking at myself. That's the only point of reference.
I really have. I feel like I've never felt jealous. jealous of Anyone? I've dated like their friends or their siblings or, I don't know, I just can't even picture that, you know, I feel jealous of like, ex-girlfriend like someone who's like romantically competitive with me, but not no one else. I might not really like them. But sometimes I will say, I was hanging out with my best friend Marissa with her boyfriend and I just said to her boyfriend casually like, oh, who's your best friend?
Like, just to, like, learn a little bit more about him and he goes, yeah, Marissa and I do like the jealousy that I suddenly felt that he okay. But that's still not what I'm talking about though because you're not Marissa's boyfriend, Ruby Ruby being jealous of her girlfriends sibling. I just can't really picture that, but maybe she just didn't like her. Yeah, some people do get jealous
of like there. Like let's say you're dating a guy and he's so close like with his mom and he tells his mom, everything like his. It's like, you're not even jealous like, obviously like, oh they're going to leave me fruit because it's like a family member but maybe you're jealous of like the closeness that they had that like if push come to shove like, you would pick this person over me or something which is a very possessive mentality.
Like, I don't think, I think it's a good thing that you can't relate to that because you're like secure and that sense. But I think a very insecure person might get bothered by maybe I'm just like, no one would ever feel about. No, I think since we can't do that because they're like you would agree with your family member over me. Mmm. Hmm, I think tough. I think you'd have to be very argument and I do get the sense that Ruby is a little argumentative.
It just seemed like she is getting involved in arguments with people a lot, but I feel bad because she also has a very troubled past and it's like that might be a part of it. She is so tough. Yeah, she seems like she. I think she's gone through so much trauma in her life that like she does feel like she always has to be like, it's hot.
And aggressive. Yeah everything's always different perspectives like don't want to necessarily right or wrong there are so then just a little updates just got engaged to her boyfriend Kai but then they actually saw in 2020 during the pandemic. Oh I think there were long distance because it covid and very sadly the twins mother ended up passing away in 2021. One of that disease which obviously was very hard for both of them but rest in peace.
Yes. Colleen, I keep forgetting how to pronounce her last name or your last. You probably said it several different ways throughout the several throne and happy times were ahead for just though, she began a new relationship with a woman named Alex Smith the same And they are now engaged so nice. Wow good. Good in 2018, Ruby Rose started. Playing Batwoman on the CW, show called Bat woman.
But she also appeared as Batwoman in the shows, the flash arrow and Supergirl. Since then I think she's stopped playing Batwoman. But then very recently in February 20, 23 Ruby announced on her Instagram that she's going to write a book. Book and she posted in her story and she said the truth, it will piss a lot of people off dot dot dot. But maybe you should have been better question, mark, excited to be free excited to tell the truth on the sisters, how horrific you were.
On the sisters. Yeah, like on the sisters question, mark how horrific you were? And then she says, imagine mistaking, kindness for weakness. So basically saying that she's going to like expose the Veronica sisters in her mouth, but I want to read that I know. Yeah, this is this episode could definitely have a follow-up that's really aggressive. Yes. And this is years later at this point. This is like five years later.
Years later. What? Hmm I don't I don't really know even like who Rubio stated since then but seems like she's still kind of upset about this. And then later she went on a radio show and Nova's FM, Fitzy and whip and Australia. And she said that she had posted that story because she was writing about her past trauma and she felt very triggered. And then she said, to be honest, I stumbled across a picture from the Pitch. Perfect 3, the premiere, And I'd forgotten that just how I
looked. I'm very amazing emancipated. And so that's why I wrote what I wrote but what the book really is, what matters to me is to me to kind of change The Narrative of it. It's not some sort of tell all like, Prince Harry. It's sort of here are some things that happened that are pretty hard. I wanted to be more of an inspiring book, as opposed to, you know, just a Revenge book and it's not on Gossip book. It's definitely not a book. I should be writing without My
therapist. Hmm. But that post seemed very Revenge gossip but yeah I did on the sisters Ohio. Okay, you're so gossipy crazy because like Ruby was the one that posted that very nice and like, cordial breakup posed. So it's like I don't think that. Yeah and can be like, oh, you were horrific and less you're talking about after the fact but like this is so confusing. Using, I mean, I guess I just has said a lot of things that
indicate that Ruby was toxic. So I could understand and Ruby's perspective wanting to tell your side of the story. But yeah, I don't know, that's gotta suck. I think, I don't think it really makes Ruby. Unfortunately, look any less Toxic by posting on Instagram that she's gonna like, expose them. I don't know, maybe she Just move on. Yeah. Yeah. Because you were just because maybe someone thought you were toxic and relationship like you can change. Yeah. I think you can be better.
I don't know or maybe it was all made up. Oh my God. I just think it's like I think there's, I don't know, we don't know them. I don't want to give my opinion, but I'm getting the sense. Like Ruby is a little bit aggressive here and she does, it does seem like she repeatedly has conflict with people and to me the fact that these sisters who were so close their entire lives and then they start having conflict.
Yes, he seems. Because of Ruby is a Telltale sign to me, but like, maybe but that doesn't mean Ruby. She could have a totally different perspective. Like I'm, we don't know, but doesn't doesn't really look good to me. Me neither, like, I'm probably on just aside. I'm probably picking her in the custody battle. Yeah, I think I don't know if we're at that point yet but I think I would pick her too. We are. Yeah, I don't really have any other information, you have someone.
If one of them got custody of me, I think I would have picked Jess. Yeah, it does seem like Ruby had a really tough time with the breakup. And I think that happens though, sometimes like people I mean they're really heartbroken, and then they just try to try to think of like how the other person was the bad guy and the villain. And yeah it's just it's unfortunate that it seems like years later. She has a worse opinion of it then when it actually have ended
but can't believe that. I know I'm not crazy. See ya, I thought when they got back together like, oh, yeah, and then, I was even going to say, like, I thought to myself, okay, even if they did break up again, like maybe they'll get
back together. But now I feel like know, probably I mean, did I don't, I don't think it would be impossible but just seems like she's learned a lot from this and reflected on it and now kind of distance herself and so I can't really imagine that happening again. N-no. I think it's over for good that's sad for the people that really loved them. Huh? Rob and Kristen each other like this. Oh I would be so sad because I also never want to pick sides with them.
I know. Yeah I think I was probably like a 5% chance three percent chance that they'll get back together. Yeah maybe three. Hmm. I would never say zero that would be too close-minded. Hmm. Wow to me. It was so interesting to me. It seems like Ruby is still hung up on just in a way like the fact that you're even on in. Instagram talking about them years later, I do. Yeah, it does. I am curious to read that book and that's cool because I really didn't know anything about them
and now it's by the end of this. I'm like I would read her. Yeah, yeah, hopefully he doesn't come for us but yes, that's the episode. Jesus two hours. Okay, thank you to Yannick. Oh yes, hope I'm saying your name right, but thank you for suggesting that. That was really cool. That was such a good idea and thank you. Any Australian listeners who have tuned in. Yep. Hope to visit your country someday and yes with that.
I'll tease our next episode and I think yes give it away but this is I'm actually confused on what yours is. So this will be a timely episode about a recent breakup that has been in the headlines. Headlines. Okay, I think this is. You changed it? Yeah, I changed it. Yeah, can't wait. So I think you guys probably might already know what it is but fella pink story find up and we always we always ask people to guess on her Instagram, too. Mmm. And then reveal. Are you going to post today?
I guess fun. I guess today. Yeah, yeah. I am going to, but I have to find a good picture. I know that's hard. And it is hard, I'm afraid with this. Some people are going to be like, what? Yeah, I don't know who that, I guess we can say on this one. That it's the Zelda and a scoffing. Yeah. Because you guys already know at this point. Yeah. That one's coming out this week. We're talking to the Future people right now. Yeah. Crazy. Cool.
Well, thank you Mel. And thank you everybody for listening and we'll get back together next week.