Are You Lonesome Tonight? Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry? We drifted does your mail come back. Welcome guys this is significant lovers. We are your hosts Mel and Kel and For joining us for episode 3, we're cousins, but we're cousins, like, people should know that. Yep, originally from Massachusetts, yet now, we live in New York City. Yep. That is true. We used to have a podcast called another, by the Twilight. It was watched by light.
Yeah, obviously. And but if you don't, if you don't like to, I don't think that will affect your enjoyment of this new show. Which is totally different and it's about couples. As you might be able to guess relationships, love, heartbreak, cheating divorce, Seth sometimes, sadly. Yeah, and yeah, we've always really been huge, hopeless Romantics, which is why we started this podcast and also just fascinated by other people's love lives. So, I've been saying it's like a
true crime podcast. But true love is trying to like finish here. I love that. Yeah, true love true. Love podcasts. So today I guess we're going to Goering into it. Got so he's a big one. It's a big so we can't waste any time. I might be long. But today we're not swimming. Yeah. Only have an hour. Yeah, maybe it won't be that long. Um, I'm Kelli, I'm Kelly and I'm hosting today, I guess you could say so males in the audience,
and it's my turn. I'm kind of nervous, so don't hurt me. But today, we are doing John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Hmm. What three words would you use to describe this couple? I think last time when you asked me for one word. Yeah, I said intense. Yep. I'm gonna stick by that say, intense, creative and hippie. Mmm, I probably would have said, it's just crazy how hippie they could be, though. I don't know. There's so many more words I could use to describe them.
But yeah, I am a huge Beatles fan. I'm kind of nervous. It's because what if people listening, you know, there's a lot of bills fans out there. What if there's some baby boomers listening, who know way more than me, you know, and I forget things. Um, but there's so much to say about John and Yoko that this could be like ten hours long problem. Yeah. So just gotta, you know, I feel like someone could have their own podcast dedicated to death that. Yeah, probably.
There's a lot to say, so bearing with me. But yeah, I'm a huge Beatles fan. It's Mel knows. Li like my second Obsession after Twilight. Wow, say yeah, but you're not as big of a John fan individually. I, I feel bad saying that because spoiler, he was murdered. Yeah, imagining it but he's not. Yeah, it's true. He's not my favorite. Beatle and John and Yoko aren't my favorite Beatles couple, but I felt compelled to do them. Yeah, it just chose me. Yeah, I say you know I just felt
like a half a day. Do this, maybe someday. We'll do the other ones but yeah. Yeah do you I was wondering because I know your kind of a Beatles fan. Yeah, I remember in high school you said Golden Slumbers was your favorite song. Is that still true? Mmm, I don't think so. Mmm, I don't know what would you say it is? Tough question. Yeah, it's tough. I think I would say my favorite is probably oh, it's Let It Be. And I know that's so basic but as beautiful as not.
So beautiful and when you're in a really bad place and then it's, you know, it's like the Power of Now. Yeah, let it be. Yeah. And accept reality. Actually listen to me on the way to like, get in the mood. That's really emotional. Yeah. Head like chills. And that song I just think it's like it's so simple but it is the secret to peace. So, so good. I think so. Beatles songs should be someone at church. Oh, 100%.
Fortunately that's Paul's long. So not John but he has imagined actually saw on a trash can on the way here. The word. Imagine that's a sign. I thought so yeah. John knew you were about to cover him and said, I'm letting you know that I'm with you. Oh my God, I miss you, I'm with you and I'm gonna be okay. And you along the whole way. The episode. I don't know if he would have been dead for a number of years. So you can there's numerous people that he can really, you
know, look over at this point. Sometimes you today I would be scared to meet John Lennon in her life. Yes, he's intimidating to me. Yeah, yeah, probably. Now my perception of them in yoga obviously that they are hippie. I feel like that everybody Nose up, but I always wondered if that little bit of that is a facade. Like, obviously, they're super
rich. Yeah. So it's like, how and I guess like a lot of that lifestyle was kind of, the counterculture lifestyle was lived by people who actually had wealth and privilege in order to live that way. But I don't know, I always thought a little bit bit. Might be a facade. Yeah, I mean, you're not the only one to say that. That and we'll get to it but just kind of questioning like is them doing a bed-in for peace like this?
I really do anything. Yeah. Like Is that them just being self-indulgent? Did they donate a lot to charity? Um I know that I didn't really do research. I'm sure they did but I don't know about them as a couple or like during the time John was alive. I'm sure they did. But I know that you'll go has a lot. Yeah, it's John died. Anyway, I guess we should get in and get into it. I want to learn everything. I really don't know much about them though, besides their image.
So there's a lot. There's I didn't I was shocked by some things. Okay. Yeah I really didn't know a lot my sources. I used a couple books for this, The Beatles, just to prove that like I'm not making this up beetles by Stephen Turner The Beatles get back by The Beatles. That's the movie but they also have like my mom got me a book version of it. Oh wow, cool. Looking at that the Beatles. They all the same title he feels by Hunter Davies.
That's like the best Beatles. Look really wants to learn stuff about them and then the last days of John Lennon by James Patterson and which Caitlin my sister gave to Charlie for Christmas, oh, that's so sweet. And I just read it. That's so sweet. I think she even Charlie crazy.
I know. Okay, so wait, don't look a little bit about their background for, oh God, start with you ago, Yoko, Ono. Just born February 18th 1933 in Tokyo. Her father was a wealthy banker and a former classical pianist, mmm, legal background, I mean Musical and her grandfather was actually in the yes, sudha Clan a Japanese Samurai can group. I don't really know what that means, but something important. Yeah. Um, and her name translated to English means ocean child.
Yeah, so when she was little her dad moved to San Francisco for work actually and she didn't meet him until she was two years old oh cause she didn't move with her dad know. So like he just went without okay, San Francisco. And yeah she don't know how until she was two. She had younger brother and she went to an elite school in Tokyo. Hmm.
So I think she was kind of rich but during the world war to fight Fire bombings in Japan. I think they lost their house and her family had to carry all their belongings in a wheelbarrow. Oh wow. And her dad was in a concentration. Camp beside gone. Oh my God. But I think he got out of it and then the family moved to Scarsdale New York, but she stayed in Japan and then she went to Sarah Lawrence College in 1952 when she was 19 years old. So, her whole family moved to
New York by her. She stayed. Yeah. Okay. Well, she a grown. Adult at that. How long she stayed in Japan? Because then she went to New York when she was 19. Yeah, there's only like a year ago. Okay. But I guess she was like at a boarding school. So, but anyway, so yeah, she wanted to school when she was 19. But then in 1956, so I guess that would have been four years later. She married a Japanese composer named Toshi. Ichiyama Toshi ichiyanagi! Oh wow!
I had I've no idea she was even married before. I know, I didn't know either crazy. So she's married to this guy and I guess when she was in school, she studied poetry English literature, music composition, she wrote songs. And then after college, they lived in Manhattan just started doing experimental art like hosting events in the experimental. Art was like letting people walk on walk on the art on the ground and like lighting it on fire. She's really into arson
performance art. Yeah, yeah, it's like experimental stuff, but then in 1962, her and Toshi, got divorced, I feel living apart for years. She moved back home with her parents and she was suffering from depression, and then she was put in a Japanese mental institution. Wow, I don't know that me, neither. I don't know any of this stuff. I guess you came back. Back and then she married Anthony coxe again. Yeah, American jazz musician. Well, I didn't know she had two big reasons.
He did and in 1963, she gave birth to their daughter kyoko-chan because I had no idea. She's even had another child. I don't know. Either, is that daughter still in the picture? Kind of. Wow. So John Lennon was a stepfather. Yeah, I didn't even know that I know me neither. But apparently, her and Anthony's relationships are to fall apart, but they stayed
together. Hope Brand New York, but they stayed together and you'll go left most of the parenting to Anthony. So she could pursue art, okay? So that's probably why we don't really know much about her daughter. Crazy. So, that's where I leave off of her. John Lennon. Um his father Fred Lynn in was brought up in an orphanage. Oh wow his mother's name is Julia. She wasn't an organ.
She's so they're in Liverpool is people probably know Fred was working on ships as a waiter and he would go off for like months at a time and no one knew where he was when John was born. Oh, I'm sure that has Like some type of psychological impact on John I would say. So apparently, John was born during a heavy air raid in 1940 and he's named John Winston, Lennon, Winston being Winston, Churchill and apparently Fred, his dad was locked up in the Ellis Island, jail.
Oh my, some reason, and I don't know why, but he would like, send letters of Julia, but no money. He did come back to Liverpool for a little bit and was John for a bit and then he went to New Zealand and he kind of deserted them. Wow. Yeah. So John didn't grow up with his Dad and then his mom Julia. Which The Beatles have a song called Julia about her. She got remarried.
And she wasn't really like I think she was young and wasn't really able to raise John like, I don't really know what the deal was, but he ended up living with his Aunt. Mimi and Mimi, basically raised him. Okay. And for a long time, John didn't Even know that his mom was like five miles away. He thought his mom was like really far away. Oh my God. That's really sad. You know, it is sad so he could have just seen his mom like
regularly, mmm. Wow. Yeah. So, his Aunt Mimi was like basically his mom and she was like a lot more strict, but she seems like to care about raising him, you know, is that his? So that's his mom's sister, I think so. Yeah, mm-hmm. Like people didn't approve of his dad, I don't know. I feel like he's kind of a bad situation in a way, but as a teenager by then he had like already met Paul and George and stuff.
Moves your music. But then he like reconnected with his mom and they would like hang out all the time. And apparently, she acted like a teenager kind of. Okay. So it was a little upsetting to me me because then he like resented her. Yeah, he's acting like the real parent but sadly. His Is Mom, Julia was hit by a car and died. Oh that's sad like kind of just as they were getting reconnected. Mmm, that's really sad. And people said that after that like his classmates, I don't
know if people know this. Yeah, that it made him less sensitive to people's feelings and more cruel with his humor after that. Okay. And that's kind of the vibe I get from John Lennon. Like, I know he cares about world peace, and I think he does have a soft side. It does seem like kind of me. Yeah, I'm sure there's like Such a like psychology behind that like something that he learned. Yeah.
They're all that pain that like he has to be like insensitive to other people because he can't bear like the burden like other people's suffering. Like I think he was a really sarcastic person. Mmm. Yeah, but it'd be like vulnerable. Yeah, that's the vibe I get, but correct me if I'm wrong people. And as everyone probably knows, he's in the Beatles. Mmm. And he married Cynthia, Powell in 1962, which I didn't put anything about them, really?
That could be another episode. I'm gonna think it's interesting, like, yeah, long ago. So famous, and he had another wife, like, what, what happened, but not going to get into it. You could do you okon her. There is not much known. Yeah, him and Cynthia had a son named? Julian. I love that name too. It's a good name boy and girl so that's where I end with his backstory but so one thing that would Julian he's kind of an absent father though, as well, right. Yeah.
A little bit about. Okay. Yup. But yeah, this is interesting that his father was absent and then he was also an absent father. This crazy how that happened? Yeah. Like you would think that like you would remember. Like I didn't like how it felt not have my father but I don't know. I haven't lived that experience. So I'm sure there's a science behind that too. I know. It's like I'm looking at my computer screen too much.
No way. Yeah. Okay. All right, people, so John and Yoko. Yep, they met I have no idea. They met when John miyoko, they met, we were gonna call her podcast the night they meant, which is now the name. Did you see? I made it the name of our tier on patreon. Oh wait, I did not see that. Yeah, so if you guys who grabbed her Patron, five bucks a month, you get bonus episodes. So every other week, you got a
new episode. So that's called the night, they met and damn, in which a lot of people didn't really like that name. No, I'm gonna go with it. I thought it was good. It was fine. But people, with so many people got bogged down by the night. It's not about the night that you cover more than the night is kind of after like the Lord here on song.
Yeah. But I also did keep accidentally saying the night, we might also do whatever writing as well, wasn't meant to be. Yeah, they met at an art show. November 6, November. 1966 apparently John read a newspaper article describing a black and white movie directed by a Japanese avant-garde artist named Yoko Ono. A member of the experimental Global artists Collective fluxus, okay? The other day in Vermont, I saw somebody wearing a shirt that said, John Lennon broke up.
Fluxes. Hmm, like how did that person? Oh yeah. Why did they have a shirt? That's such a of scared. The Beatles knowledge that he's selling, no shirt. And look. Why do they care to me? Right? Oh I gotta make a point. Yeah I got it. Yeah. Oh yeah I meant to say like one big question. I think we're going to try to answer today is did Yoko. Ono. So-called break up as people always?
Yeah. They're trying to make a point about the misogyny of that that she had her whole Career Success. Yeah. And then he came along and he broke up a no one. Who cares about that? Because everyone thinks that his thing was more important. Yeah, that makes so much sense. I mean, he was like, probably most famous person on the planet. I can see why people think that, but she did, she didn't put her career on hold later on Mmm. Yeah, so the Beetles are invited to the November 8th.
Ah, it's my birthday opening of Ono's unfinished. Paintings and objects. So but it wasn't really my birthday because they showed up a day early My accident. No, I think I'm very busy and she was actually mad that they showed up early. She was saying to somebody like you can't have people here before I'm done because I wasn't done setting it up. Yeah, I would be annoyed too. Especially like the building apparently she had a black sweater and black pants to match her long.
Black hair, parted down the middle. So yeah, she was pissed that they were there but then she chilled out when she saw John, okay? And she said, later about meeting, she said he was shaved and he was wearing Uma suit up to then. Englishmen had all kind of looked weedy to me, that was the first sexy one I met. Okay. And John was actually seven years younger than her? I didn't know that. I always thought she was younger than him. She's older. She's on her second husband already.
Oh, she was still married at this point. Yeah, yep. Is he okay? Yeah. I didn't know that. You know, they're both married. On asked what the event was. She shouldn't own but yeah. And apparently, she handed him a card, and he opened it. And all it said, was breathe. Oh, like that. Was a part of the event, I think so. Okay, so yeah, I can see why I said there could be. Yeah, like that is crazy but that night this isn't that according to the last days of John Lennon. Yeah.
And he wrote it kind of like a novel even though it is nonfiction but you wrote like he went home to Cynthia his wife but was thinking of yoga we can guess but It. I don't know. So that was 1966. I don't have anything about well. They did meet again in another Art Gallery event, but I don't know anything about 1967. I'm assuming they kept in touch, but I couldn't find anything about 1967.
I wonder if the beetles in regularly like attended stuff like this, like, they did like, like, why would John be showing up, not even knowing what it's for, I don't know. Yeah, maybe it was like a publicity thing. Or like a, I think I didn't write down his name but I think somebody like brought them and then I don't know. Okay. So they're both still married, mmm, February 1968, The Beatles visited rishikesh India. And if you've heard of this but they got really into like
meditation stuff. They visited my hurry, she Mahesh Yogi's ashram and they went kind of because their manager Brian Epstein head recently died, and their group was like, never really the same after that. I will say that I think Brian Epstein's death had something to do with their eventual breakup. Mmm they didn't really have like a leader anymore and I think Paul kind of took over things and then people resented him for that. And yeah. So how did the manager die?
Baby overdose. Oh, that's sad. Anyway, yeah, so they went to India and throw a bunch of other people there to the musician. Donovan who I didn't really know him until recently but Charlie likes him he's kind of like Jake Bugg, ish Donovan was there and the actress Mia farrow's there. Oh wow her sister Prudence was there and that's what this long due Prudence of her. Oh and I'm crazy. That is crazy is apparently she's like this is something to a child go. But Prudence Pharaoh got like
Really into the meditation. When like not come out, I don't know. She was just like secluded from everybody else. That's what she was like to into it to me. So like the song lyrics are like, Dear Prudence. Won't you come out to play just crazy? Yeah.
Let Mia Farrow was there. So while they were there, John and Cynthia, his wife were often separated because of different meditation, routines and Yoko would write to John On mmm, and she would write things like, I am a cloud watch for me in the sky. Apparently, John will get really excited about her letters. That's odd. An exchange contact information. When they met mmm like a couple years ago, right, yeah. So I'm guessing this whole time,
they've been talking. Yeah, he told Cynthia he needed space and he moved out of the Bungalow. They've been sharing in India. That sucks. And how long have they been married for? I think they got married and okay, they got snowed in 62, so this was 68. Okay, mmm, I feel bad for Cynthia, um, on the flight from Delhi to London. He confessed his indiscretions during their six-year marriage and I don't think it was just, you know, go, but I'm not really
sure. Yeah. And I don't even know if he did hook up with Yoko, I don't know if you just meant like writing the her or I have no idea what indiscretions means. But yeah. Apparently, he's cheating on her and Cynthia, was shocked, and John later said, the Dilemma made him feel suicidal. Hmm. When I got back to England, he sent Cynthia off to relax with friends and grease. It kind of weird. Okay, you go, chill out. I know. And I don't know about how that
works. I know he's like, oh, I've been cheating on you. Why don't you go to green? Yeah, come on. I've been cheating on. You won't even agrees and I just keep getting. Yeah. That literally. This is really what happened actually. Um, and Julian stayed with the housekeeper. He called Yoko and told her to take a taxi. Oh, are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious. I know. It's not really like the most feel. Good relationship.
I'm sorry guys. But um, and she still married to. Yeah, she's still married and has a daughter. And apparently, so she took a taxi over and they stayed up all night making music and then they made love that song. It's my God. When someday return from Greece, she found John and Yoko in robe, sitting cross-legged on the floor facing each other and John said, oh hi that's awful. He was so he felt suicidal about know her and then he enjoys music dear. Yeah. And then he responds.
Oh, hi to me, that doesn't know. This isn't seem like a guy was was I know over cheating on his wife. It's horrible. Yes, John's done is not my favorite. Sorry but it's true. Cynthia was super upset obviously, but they like it comes. I'll do a few weeks. Okay. Then John sent her on holiday. Again, why does she even going this time? Italy? Usually, the guy if you want such, he's the one who made away.
He doesn't send the wife away, I guess if someone was like, I just paid for it like floods Hotel. Here's a trip. You and your friends do it early. I guess. Maybe I would Would ya? I know I guess if someone's gonna cheat on me they might as well pay for me to go on an expensive trip. But I like and then while she was gone, you'll go move into the house.
Oh my God, they've been her husband, Tony Cox and daughter Kyoko, from that point on Johnnie Walker, pretty much Inseparable. So, is Young and like file for divorce and stuff. Yes, he has. So just some Music things during this year, there's just some like Yoko references and music like Happiness is a Warm Gun in that song. He's like Mother Superior jumped the gun and apparently he used to call Lyoko mother.
Oh my God. I know that's obviously like tied to his weird childhood and his mother kind of abandoning him. I need a fix could be about her but uh, apparently at the the time he was dabbling in heroin so it's pretty bad. Some Julia came out that your to that's about his mother. But there's the line, ocean child calls to me, which references yoga because her name means motion. Child is interesting to the top, like, tying yoga to his mom as well.
Yeah, it seems like, I don't know why he didn't feel this with Cynthia, but he seemed to see Yoko is almost like they're figuring. No, because she's Yeah, maybe that's true. Yeah, maybe she seemed like, I think that John really thought you'll go was like, on his level maybe even higher than his level. Like she was so experimental and creative. Yeah, you're cute. He respected her. Anyway here did Cynthia. Hmm.
Okay so as John and Yoko started living together and John and Cynthia started getting divorced. Paul wanted to show his support for Julian and Cynthia. So he drove down to weigh bridge where they lived bringing a single red rose. Oh, that's sweet. It was at some point in that our ride, he started coming up with the song. Hey, Jude originally, hey, Julie. And then he Jewels? No, I love Paul. That's so sweet. And how old is Julian at this point?
A little boy? Yeah, I guess I think that like he was born when around when they got married. I think they kind of got married because She was pregnant that kind of. Yeah. So I guess he would have been 60. That's what I know. Consider it, a Paul, John believed, Hey, Jude was addressed to him, I guess. Okay, encouraging him to be a co co because there's a line you were made to go out and get her. Oh my God, the opposite.
So your son that you're not even like paying attention to later in. 1987 Julian said Paul and I used to hang out quite a bit. More than Dad and I did maybe Paul was in two kids a bit more. At the time, we had a great friendship going and there seem to be far more pictures of me and Paul playing together at that age, the pictures of me and Dad. Wow, that is crazy. That's a sweet appalling Isn't it? I love farming gardening. Okay this is about to join. Also said, this is sad to.
I never really wanted to know the truth about how dad was there were some negative stuff talked about me. Like when he said that, I'd come out of a whisky bottle on a Saturday night, stuff like that, that's tough to deal with you think, where's the love in that? It was very psychologically damaging for years and damaging for years that affected me. I used to think, how could he say that about his own bloody son? Son, wait.
So he basically said, like, the only reason he was born as because, like, they got drunk and like had sex, that's never Bowl. I know, that's so sad. Yeah, that's so like, how can you have any, how can you be so little compassionate for your own son? Like, even if that's true, like you would never say such a thing. I know you would obviously love your child so much. It's terrible. I feel like John had a lot of issues.
Around this time, I think he did get better but not know, I'm not excusing it but I'm just trying to explain. Like it's hard to wrap your head around someone writing and saying, all this stuff about peace and stuff. Yeah, exactly sure. Yeah. So did he ever realize? Then that Hey, Jude was about his son and said of him, I think he did. Okay. Apparently dudes, their most successful beautiful song ever. So what is you were made to go out and get it mean then if I'm not sure.
Yeah I mean it could have been about Yoko I don't know. Hmm. Maybe it was about something I don't know or maybe it was his own thing about Linda or something. And he just turned on there. Like I'd have no idea. Sometimes I feel like a song is like a mosaic of like different things put together. Yeah. Could have been anything. So around this time, this is one. John broke the Bands. Long-held pack forbidding wives and girlfriends from recording sessions.
Apparently, George Harrison said she just moved in that's annoying. And if you guys watched the get back documentary, which came out this year, you can see, you'll go is literally sitting while the recording. Yeah, the album's Abbey Road and let it be. She's just sitting right there. Like I couldn't believe I mean some of Footage has been out forever but I just never saw it but she's like right next to them. Yeah, like why would she have to be there?
Yeah, and I feel like then the others can't really be as creative because someone that they're not as close to is there. And like yeah I feel this way about like people when they like are in relationships really a new relationship, sometimes they feel like they always have to invite the other person and I just was kind of new. Yeah, yeah. And luckily like my friends really aren't like that but I know some people.
Whoo-hoo, like once they've gotten in relationships, like their Partners. Always just then a plus one and and sometimes I think it's fine but it can really just throw off the entire Vibe. Yeah. I mean they had been writing songs like just them. Yeah. There's it's like a very intimate relationship. I've never heard music with people but I would assume it would be awkward to come up with things in front of someone. You don't know that.
Well yeah, exactly. Or maybe you don't even Because I kind of get the vibe that at least George didn't like Yoko. Yeah. Well, it seems like she's coming in and like, she's making it seem like she's a member. Yeah, of the songwriting team. Yeah, I do think though. I mean you would think you'll go would have a thought like I probably shouldn't be here but I do blame John Moore for this Dynamic. I mean it's him that wasn't making a boundary. Yeah, exactly should have said
playing with the dogs, you know. I'm like, see you later. Yeah. And like a part of me is like, well, there's something kind of like sexist and annoying is like no girls allowed, I know, but I understand it when it's such an intimate personal. Yeah, it's of songwriting. And if all the other members have up to this point respected that, yeah, that is pretty shitty of John. I know. I don't think it's because they're women. I think it's just like, they
didn't want anyone else there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh boy. So They when they were doing The White Album, there's this song Revolution 9. I think it's like there were song ever but it's very weird. It has John and Yoko like screaming and moaning with samples and this is the song, one of the songs but Charles Manson thought was a message to him and like inspired the Manson Murders, which is pretty crazy.
And Paul was not happy about this song because cuz apparently he'd been making sound collages at home since 1966 and he felt like now John would seem like an innovator. Yeah, he wasn't happy about it, nine times. So it's still 1968, June 18th Yoko is actually pregnant. But at this point, the public didn't know that John had left Cynthia. Oh wow, I didn't know that me neither, so they're not married. Okay, yeah, I think there's
still like processing divorce. Really John and Yoko attended a film Premiere in London, wearing matching outfits. And so this was like the first time. Yeah, solemn. She's only 2 months pregnant, though. So don't think people knew yeah. And there were a lot of angry fans yelling racist. Slurs that hurt. Oh, that's awful. And the next morning the relationship was international news. Why were they angry? Just because she was Japanese. Or were they were?
I mean, obviously just seems like they're racist. Yeah, I think they were mad. Because they liked on and Cynthia. Yeah, felt like she was a home wrecker. And then yeah, it was throwing racism and into that's awful. And then John found himself in the biggest Scandal since is Jesus comments? Which if people don't know, he said the Beatles were bigger than Jesus. Okay. I can see that being controversial. Yeah, I don't like that comment. I don't know. I do think it is like, so provocative.
We have people who are really mad about it. Like some people like You know, super Christian like burned. Yeah, that's also just super arrogant.
I know obviously they were incredible, but yeah, to say that is just and he's like, well, it's just a fact but like on. So John and Yoko needed somewhere to go, I guess because like, they're both married still technically and, you know, Cynthia still like lived in that house with Julian. So apparently, Ringo had a flat in London and he had leased it to Paul and Then Jimi Hendrix, interested. Wow. But he evicted Hendrix because he damaged the walls during an acid trip. Oh my God.
Not crazy. These people are crazy. Yeah, so John Yoko need it. So he's pretty strict. Yeah. I know damage to the property. I moved into that apartment. Yeah. So this is leading to the big controversy. There is a cumbers. Yeah. No, the biggest controversy was just him. Oh, okay, together. Okay. Yeah, it is leaving Cynthia ever. Oh sorry. That was the biggest controversy but then there's another kind of busy um in the late morning, October 18th, 1968. So John was 28 and yoko's. 35.
Mmm. And you'll go six months pregnant. They're in bed half naked apparently. When there was a knock on the door and it was a police officer. And at the time they were freaking out because John described their life at this apartment as a strange cocktail of love sex and forgetfulness or Yoko called it a diet of champagne caviar and heroin very bad. Um we at the room or are they doing all those drugs together?
Yeah I think so. At the door was detective, a detective Sergeant, I didn't get his name but he was the same one who had busted Mick, Jagger Keith. Richards and Donovan resulting how this this detective is just like on a mission to arrest every musician. He came in alongside two other detective constables and to K9 handlers and a policewoman and they found some can of this.
That's all they could find. That's not bottom, they were they arrested them squad cars, brought them to police station, John pleaded guilty and but charges against the, okay. Do our jobs. Yeah, but sadly a month later. She had a miscarriage. Oh, I know that's awful. I was expecting this to be Shawn. It's not Sean. I know it's so sad because I feel like you could probably attribute that whole experience. Yeah, exactly. I mean you can't know for sure?
Yeah. But like the stress of like being arrested and then like being in prison overnight and everything. No, very sad drunk. Slept on the floor of her hospital room and they named the baby. John Ono. Lennon. The second They're sad. So then that see month, November 1968, John and Yoko came out with an album together called unfinished music. Vol 12 virgins, what the fuck? That's what's up. There are totally nude on the cover and I was like so scandalous. So it was like sold in a paper
bag. Wow stores and at Newark Airport, the shipment of albums was actually seized and didn't. Bounced pornographic. Wow. FBI opened a file and just - no way why if we're just being nude? Yeah well because this time like the 60s FBI was like spying so much on anybody that was like countercultural. Yeah that's true. That whole I saw that movie seberg that Kristen Stewart's Jean seberg. She was like an actress and she was like an advocate for the Black Panthers and the FBI.
Like you know, it was really afraid of the Black Panthers and you know the whole social justice movement so they were like tapping her phone. Yeah, I've been stalking her and yeah. So they ended up doing that to John Lennon to apparently George Harrison didn't really like you'll go at least that's what I picked up from some research.
I'm sure it was more nuanced than just like, I don't like her but he said to her Dylan meaning Bob, Dylan Dylan and a few people said that you got a lousy name in New York and you give off a bad Vibe. He said that's a hurry. Yeah, it is kind of mean, and John said, I didn't hit him. I don't know why. That is pretty mean. It's one thing to not like your friends partner, but don't say something right to their face. Right.
Crazy. You give off a pile of how, um, kind of modern that sounds I know, you know, so, Now, we're not in 1969. I got this from the get back documentary. This is January 13th. 1969. Mmm, everyone's everyone's at the studio. Yeah, but Johnny ago haven't shown up yet. They're like really late. I think everyone sitting around waiting for John Yoko and they're talking about meeting that they had over the weekend and this is all recorded, it's all real. And Paul said, there's only like
two things like two answers. One is to fight it and fight her and try to Get the Beatles back to for people without you o go and sort of ask Yoko to sit down and sort of ask you o go to sit down at the board meetings or else.
The other thing is just to realize she's there you know and he's not going to sort of split with her just for our sakes and then it's not even so much of an obstacle as long as we're trying not to surmount it you know while we're still trying to get over it, it's an obstacle but it isn't really it's not that bad, you know, they can stay together, you know, it keeps saying that but it shouldn't be We can't operate under these conditions, boy. You know, we're coming out.
It's like we're striking. That's what it is. It's like a strike because work conditions aren't right, but it's not that bad, you know? And the director of the movie Michael and Z Hogg said, but he knows that doesn't he? And Paul said, John knows that sure but he's Michael said, does he talk about it at all? And Paul said, no, but he's you
see. We've done a lot of beetles now, we've had a lot of beetles So I think John's thing know, obviously, if it came to a push between Yoko and the Beatles, it's Yoko, you know, mmm. And then later Paul said, they just want to be near each other. It's his decision that it's none of our business to start interfering with that. Even when it comes into our business, you still can't really say much, except look, I don't like it, John. And then he can say, well, screw you or I like it then.
Michael said, have you done that already? And Paul said, well, I told him, I didn't like writing songs with him and go go. Michael said, were you writing together much more before she came around and Paul said, oh yeah, for sure. And then Paul said it's going to be such an incredible sort of comical thing like in 50 years time. You know, they broke up because you'll go sat on a, you know, or just something like that. What well, you see, John kept bringing this girl on what it's
not as though. There's any sort of earth-shattering splitting rows or anything? Yeah, we said this was all recorded this whole conversation. That's crazy, you know? It's in that documentary. Yeah, that's that they actually said it. That's crazy. I mean, you know, and it's crazy that the footage was just like, like, locked up for so long. This is making me think.
Yeah, now that Yoko broke broke up the band but John broke up the band because he didn't care about it enough to like make other people feel more comfortable if you watch the documentary, it really does seem like John and care that much. Yeah, I know he kept my coming in late and he just didn't seem to be like, Bring as much material and Paul knows that to obviously he's like, listen, it's not that bad. Like if but we were to give him an ultimatum, he's gonna leave
the band. Yeah. So so we just have to deal with it and he was like, really nothing they can do. And then later that day, the tape suddenly turned on. This is so weird. There was like no video component but just audio and I'm not how somebody got this audio but It's John Paul talking and John said, um, I mean, I'm not going to lie, I would sacrifice you all for her. This is how it is, you know. And that's all it was though. She comes everywhere. You know. And then Paul said.
So where's George? John said fuck knows our George's. Oh, that's it. But we're was good. Yeah. They were not getting along really and at the same time, as all this I think George was But you'll go but he also wanted more recognition. Hmm as a solo artist and there were also disputes over like management and Paul was actually
suing the rest of them. It's like kind of a long story but they had both chose like different managers or something and Paul didn't agree with the ones they were working with. Wow. He could, like split up his like to not work with that guy. Yeah. You didn't. Like the only way to do that. With BJ like Sue The Beatles. Okay, that seems like that could have a better impact on them splitting up, it didn't he did but it's not as like I don't know interesting as like because
of a relationship. Hmm. It's very dramatic. So there were like a bunch of things going on. So it's not like totally honest to say, it was just Yoko but I think it was definitely in contribute. Yeah, that seems like a huge Factor. Yeah. Like if they were all getting along totally. Well, I don't know. I think Probably the management thing going to be even happened. so, Then finally Yoko Ono and her husband divorced. Wait, they're still together. Zona, how are you not getting together?
What like, they're still technically okay but they were. Yeah, they were separated. Yeah, it was okay. February 2nd 1969 and became official. What's in some so long? That's crazy. Maybe he like, wouldn't be served or whatever. Yeah, he refused. I'm no, no. I don't think it takes a while. Mmm. Like a month later. John and Yoko. Got married. Okay. They decided to get married suddenly. This is kind of annoying to me, two days after Paul and Linda got married. That is so annoying.
Did they go to found Linda's wedding? They actually did not. Oh yeah, I'm fine. We're invited though. Linda only, they just got married like a registry. Really like a big deal. Yeah. But I do think, what are the odds? They got married and then two days later they got suddenly decided to get married. Yeah, that's it. Obviously copy it. Now I know I think they were that's so like, I don't know narcissistic almost. Hmm, I know.
So, John and Yoko tried to get married in France, but they were turned back at the Southampton dog because I didn't bring passwords no. Um, in the end they flew a private plane to I can never say this right. Gibraltar. Mmm on March 20th. They got married there. They're on the ground for less than half an hour. No less than an hour. They're on the ground for less than an hour. Then I took off for Amsterdam that was the day. We got married, big, Flyers? Huh celebrity.
They're like under Fire for the. Yeah. That's when they did their famous bed-in for peace. Mmm. We're basically, they stayed in bed from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. They shouldn't buy the whole day and they did it for seven days. Oh my God. And they just let like journalist. Interview that entire time. And that's actually like incredibly easy. Yeah. I have like some footage from it. I don't know what I would want to show.
That is like, very performative. I mean, if you want to like, I feel like if people did that today, I think people did say this though. Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like if you did that today people be like, oh, they're just so full. Yeah, they are. I do think some people did say that, I don't think. Ink necessarily the whole world was just like, it's amazing. I thought this was funny though. Wait, I see if I can find it. It's a pretty long video but oh wait, this might be it.
It's just been making signs and so squeaky the marker. Wait, but they're walking around, they're not even staying in the bed, you're getting ready for it. Okay? Remember, I don't know what that high-pitched sound is. Thought it was your become very close. I've no like journals even bothered to go. They did though because John Lennon was insanely famous. Yeah. But okay, I thought this is really funny. Um, this journey was Gloria Emerson just like ripped them off. I'm gonna play this.
The only reason, if I'm going to get on the front page, I might as well get on the front page with the word peace, but you've made yourself ridiculous to some people. I don't care. If you're not good, if it saves lives, you don't think you owe you. Ha ha. Can't you give up something else? There would be no. Stop it. It doesn't. It's not the sacrifice. You can't get that into your head. Can he? You've stated a half a dozen times their MV is irrelevant.
I agree. It was no sacrifice to get rid of the NBA because it was embarrassed and kind of a perilous. Did you make how did I don't nobody dies in campaign for peace? Can you understand that? No, I'm very big advertising campaign for peace and self. Well, you think you ever taught? Nice, middle-class gestures for peace, and intellectual manifestos written by a lot of half-witted intellectuals, and nobody reads them. That's the trouble with the peace movement. Well, it just seems another
nether land. I mean, I can't think of anyone who seems more remote for ugliness of what's Happening than you, when I do. See, you getting up and a Tuesday morning and thinking that see, what should we do today and what war is going on, that's your imagination, you know? Really only Zoe carry on. You make, what did you make it feel? That's it. I'm someone who admired you very much. Well, I'm sorry. You like the old mop tops? Dear.
And you thought it was, I was very satirical and witty and you like Hard Day's Night love, but I've grown up, but you obviously haven't have you. Yes. Well, what have you grown up to now, 29? Yes. Yes. How was Greece? That's beautiful. So they sang one of your songs, well, if you great song, sure, but it's not all you can say about that. The moratorium was saying that in America. They're so serious about the protest.
Moment just then but they were so flipping that they were singing a happy-go-lucky song, which happens to be one. I wrote, and I'm glad they sang it and when I get there, I'll sing it with them when I get in and that was a message from me to America or to anywhere that I use my songwriting ability to write a song that we could all sing together and I'm proud that they sang it at the moratorium. I wouldn't have cared if they'd signed we can do. We shall overcome but it just so
happens. They sang that and I'm proud of it and I'll be glad To go there and sing with them - Jolly. I will make it jealous. You know, we have to make a jolly. I can't afford to be neurotic. Maybe we might stop the war but enjoy. Yes. It's because the thing is, when you're happy, and when you're smiling, you don't want to kill somebody, do you? You know, it's when you're very serious, you start to think about violence and death and
killing. I mean, have you ever seen a person a person killing somebody with a smile on his face? And Being happy. No. Killers are unhappy people and their violent, because they're so unhappy. And so damn serious. Steve Allen be boarded. Thank you, goodbye. Well, I think that's what you wanted, but the last point was a good point and she didn't want to respond to. That was a good time to do the other part.
That's kind of cute. I do, like, I didn't have many Clips, but I do think your crew seems very sweet. Yeah, she seems so Optimistic and cute. Yeah, but I do agree with the reporter. I mean, like, let me really think about this. I what would I bet in do? I guess it is kind of like an advertisement. Yeah. But I would think most people are good amount of people are thinking to themselves. Like oh this is stupid. I feel like you need almost like more specific advice to make
change. I don't know just saying like piece. Yeah exactly what is that? So big it's like you can afford to just lie in bed all day most people. Yeah and like but like people who have it's like maybe at a time like maybe when I was like sick or something, I like lie in bed for like a week long or something. Yeah, it's not making a difference. Friends. Like the only way to really protest is so like, actually change somehow hurt the oppressor?
Yeah, that is causing it like to, I don't know. I mean did they Inspire some change? Maybe, I don't know. I mean, it could be just, it's all so big. Like so many small to decisions, maybe can lead to some people deciding. Like, I'm going to move it to turn or something. Yeah, I think so. Self-important about that's the thing. It's like they're not aware. We're of like, this is yeah, such a minor thing I do for the most part. Agree with that reporter also I
love her voice. Yeah. Heck I want to talk like she's so cool to me. Like wow. I want to be that woman. She looks like Anna Wintour something, she's so chill, she seems so smart, but I mean it's, I can kinda see like, well, if you're gonna be like a pop star, like, I guess it's better to say that But then just like any random thing. I don't know if you're going to have people's attention maybe it's better to say that then whatever but it does come off a little Annoying. Yeah.
So back to the story around this time. John changed his name to John Ono Lennon. Hmm. He removed his middle name Winston. He loves Yoko. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's why I said intense describe my flick, the obsession intense. Yeah. Like they just were together all the time. They are obsessed with each other. He said about getting married. John said intellectually. We didn't believe in getting married but one doesn't love. Someone just intellectually for two people.
Marriage still has the edge over just living together. Yeah, I agree with that, I like that. Yeah, I mean it's so totally different to say like my wife or my husband. Then I don't agree my roommate. So kind of back to the discussion about Broke up the Beatles and that's a maybe like you could see it more as their relationship. Not just yo, Cobra, beautiful. Yeah. But so earlier in the Beatles career John had been like a major contributor to the group
singles. Mmm. But around this time he really didn't he still wrote songs but Paul's are to just dominate with like Hello. Goodbye, Magical Mystery Tour, Lady Madonna. Hey Jude get back, let it be All those ones were by Paul John's were just I don't know little weirder little less popular which whatever. But the British comedian Spike Milligan said, and I 67, I knew John Lennon quite well. He used to talk a lot about comedy. He was a goon show, freak it all, which was a show at the
time. It all stopped. When he married Yoko Ono, everything stopped, he never asked for me again. That sound. Yeah, I hate that too. When people just get in early Change it. They use abandon all of their old friends, and it seems like that's what John did. And I don't think that's healthy, mmm. It's not know. I know I hate when that happens to it's so sad. So guys, if you're listening, try to maintain your friendship relationship. That's all I got to say. Yeah, that would be my bed in.
Yeah, Kelly's really good at that. Oh well, I love. My friends. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I love you and your friends are forever. So yeah. And you just you never want to find yourself in a situation where like you depend completely on one person. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's all I gotta say about that. Yeah. And then in the book, The Beatles by Hunter Davies which is kind of like the best Beatles book, I'd say he wrote then Along Came Yoko at light at
last, he meaning? I found a kindred spirit if of a very unusual kind John was immediately sparked into life. He was away on a new plane realizing at once that Paul who had been who had until then been his buddy, his soul mate was as conventional as Cynthia together, John and Yoko discovered, new and all-consuming aims. The rest of the beetle, didn't matter anymore. When Paul came up with an idea for say, a live TV show, John
wasn't really interested. Yeah, that does seem very unhealthy everything Everything not just his friends, all his passion, his music. Yeah. Is like Falling by the wayside. It be. So sad to be Cynthia's. I know it's sad if she ever find love again. I think so. But I don't know. Yeah, different episode. Um, yeah, I love the relationship between John and Paul, to, I find it really interesting and that makes me sad if that's true that, like, at this time, he started to
think Paul was A basic course. Musically like, oh, I'm so avant-garde and your yeah, all your Silly Love Songs but those are the songs that are connecting with people. I know. So I do think that there are an awesome pair like Duo and yeah each other so much but I hate like after the Beatles broke up, I feel like John started, trash-talking Paul's music and stuff and that just breaks my heart. I like One Direction it is it and you know it's in my notes Here by guess.
I'll just get to it that. Like apparently if anyone's a 1D fans I was talking about. So Shannon the other day that apparently people kind of compared Zane's, fiancee Perrie to go go and like that using lost interest and I mean they didn't end up even sticking together. Yeah like that. There's a similar situation that is interesting. I wonder if that's really the case. Shannon say that she thinks Perry contributed to it. I think it's similar that it's
like, it's not Perry's fault. Yes, just the guy. Got more into his personal life. Yeah, and I don't know. Yeah, let me screw up. Yay, I don't know. It is quite misogynistic that people and I just said it that way. But yeah. Act like it's yoga or act like it's Perry. It's the it's the guy who chose to prioritize that instead completely to the point of abandoning everything else. That's interesting. I feel like it's become like a Trope. Mmm, so the Beatles officially
broke. Up April, 10th 1970. Hmm. I know during the Apollo 13. Yeah, I guess so. Early 1971, John was reading. Yoko's poetry book grapefruit which I haven't read by did see in the book store the other day and uh, this is 21. Poem is titled tuna fish sandwich piece and the words in the poem say imagine. Thousand suns in the sky. At the same time. Imagine clouds dripping and apparently like that same day he wrote the song. Imagine oh Cubs exotic. She inspired it.
Yeah they had imagined on the mind just seem like there's something a little half-baked about their art so maybe I just don't get it. But that sounds like the fact that you think that Paul is basically that does feel kind of basic. I know, I know, I don't know. I mean imagine is a great song but yeah I do think you need all the you know when you look back at history or whatever you need every piece. Yeah. So I mean rock music was still not that old.
So maybe it doesn't seem too complicated. Just be like imagine. Yeah, but you know, you need that stepping stone. That's true. But yeah, I know I that's, I mean, this is why I'm sorry, why? John isn't my favorite Well, he's my least favorite Beatle because I don't like how he would look down on things and I do I feel like I'm on a self-important. Mmm. Yeah. And not a lot of self-awareness but imagine is a great song. Yeah.
A lot of his songs are great. No it's a great song but yeah it's like it is at the end of the day. Simple message. Yeah. And so if you're going to be criticizing Paul's music, I know like look at yourself. I mean that's a great song that deep. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's getting along. Yeah.
So revolutionary, you know. So August 1971, John Yoko moved to New York and apparently John said, you could say I fell in love with New York, on a street corner Yoko and I were forever coming going to New York. We love it. It's a center of our world. America is the Roman Empire in New York is Rome itself. New York is at my speed. New Yorkers are like me. They don't believe in wasting time. Yeah. Is interesting. And feel like he has become like
a New York icon. Yeah, it's interesting there so hippie to but they're actually living in a city. Yeah, yeah. No. I mean, Paul was actually the farmer guy. That's so interesting in Scotland. Yeah. And look at animals and stuff and they lived. I mean, you can be a hippie in the city. Yeah, but yeah, they not this point but they do eventually live at the Dakota, which is right on Central Park and that's like it's really easy.
Yeah. So they had like doorman, they liked the diverse atmosphere of New York and apparently their interracial marriage didn't stand out as much as it did in English. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, apparently they said that people were a lot more like, racist towards them England, but okay, this is crazy at this time. 1971, they didn't This is so bad. You didn't know where yoko's daughter was. Are you serious? Yeah, wait. Well they knew she was with the dad Anthony cock, but they don't
know where they are. Yeah. They didn't know where they are. You looking for? Yeah, they were okay, um, I mean, I don't know how hard I'm really tired people. But like, apparently Cox disappeared with the eight-year-old daughter. Kyoko and he won custody of her after successfully claiming that. Oh no wasn't unfit.
Mother do her to her drug use. And He her ex-husband changed kilgore's name to Ruth Holman and he subsequently raised her in an organization known as Church of the Living World or the walk that doesn't look at called. Yeah. And she didn't see her again until 1998. Oh my God. I know that's really sad. That's Matt. That's like 20 years, right? She was a fully grown adult. Yeah. She saw her daughter. I know from 8 years old. Oh my God, this story is just
insane, that's crazy. You know, why would he do that? The dad just like, because you got caught up in this church guess so I don't know. He's, I mean until you get to that point, I am kind of like, oh yeah, well sounds like it's good that he got custody like sounds like she didn't mean she's doing drugs like yeah they were in the walk. Yeah. Okay it's like more going on. On there. Yeah. Which we turn a light on. Yeah. Wait, let me get water. Hello break.
You're gonna make the flight back to the story. Isn't this crazy so far? Yeah, this is crazy. Okay, even the craziest part. So just to sum up like they're both married, they get together, they got arrested. Stay. Did they sleep in bed for a whole week? They yeah, her daughter goes missing. It's fucked up. Cheers. Okay and it just keeps going. Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Okay, so John's there in New York pajamas struggling to get a visa to stay in the US and FBI was stocking them.
Their phones were tapped. I wrote whole story. Oh I guess I just meant, there's a whole story to it but I'm not going to get in. What do you think? What is the FBI? Like think they're connected to? I think that at this time the FBI just didn't like anyone inspiring, you know, like visual or feminist Uprising that like a violation of like the first amendment. That's why I was so fucked up. Yeah look into it. It's crazy. It's awful.
Um yeah so 1971 this is when their song happy Xmas Wars over came out. Mmm. Oh also like the Vietnam War. More like they didn't like anybody inspiring, you know anti-war. Yeah. Yeah. But like that's so anti-American to be against anti-war way. It was Maybe still is. I'm gonna um, what is this? Okay, - I need to interview around 11:00. All right, let's just, let's see what this is. Who would like to ask a question of young firsthand, I saw.
Was that young lady right there? Would you wait until the boom gets to eat, but would you mind standing well, I absolutely Like
what? Like, in general, I'm going to like, like a lot of times people say, in, about demonstrations and all and like, how, like everybody should rush out and go to demonstrations and everything, and it's going to help, but I don't know if it really helps and I want to know, like what I can do. Like me just personally like to help people in like get better and like help the peace thing and how how people in general Health, you know how I can do it. It was urgent that.
Did I think you know, we can all do it but if we can't solve our own personal problems, we Of a silver, big problem. All we have to do is convince one person and that's all you have to do. And if everybody convinced one person, the whole world is going to be convinced, you see, it's that simple. People tend to think that somebody will say them whether it's a president or a you know, whoever your hero might be somebody's going to come out the
blue to save you. And there's only people can save us, only us all deciding to do something about anything, whatever it is, just even making that decision. I want to do something is a star The person that you're really responsible to people around, you like your parents, which is
the biggest, you know, problem. I thought it was don't live at home and your yes, but I mean you don't have to live with them but in other words, people around you, you know, if you can start to convince people around you and if we all took care of our friends around us, then the whole world would find, you know, just want to show how they do. Ya know I think you'll go so sweet. It seems sweet, you know. It's a really sweet idea.
I know you know just a little at a time and then the whole rules of be a good player. Yeah I know she warms my heart. She's so beautiful too. So February 1973 things started to go downhill for them. Oh, their apartment was robbed. They had no security in their Bohemian, Loft and John Social Circle in the village was not what it once. Was, he felt taken advantage of Used by the yippies. Oh God as he called them and the night Nixon won the election. John Lennon. Just lost it.
Yeah, he got super drunk and high on cocaine and pills that night and they went to a party and to everyone's shock in front of everybody, he took another woman into another room, but when I feel go and they just started like hooking up and about this Yoko said. She didn't come on to him at all. He just pulled her up and went in the next room and they were groping. And all that and we were all quiet and someone tried to cover the noise. I playing a Bob, Dylan record.
Oh my God, my jaw is hanging open right now. I had no idea here. I am thinking he's like this incredibly devoted guys in her know and that at least, okay. Like, you know, he's abandoning his entire life to be with her but at least he Loves her. Then he does this. That is so shitty. So annoying that it's like oh because Nixon got elected yeah like control yours. No. Cause you did not need to do
that. And that's so not going with what they just said like starts with you, you know, like just be good to everyone around. Yeah, exactly. I'll raise yeah. Like oh, it's a form of protest. I'm gonna cheat on my wife like Just show it to Nixon. That's my point. You'll go. It sounds like that was upsetting for her it was it was so yeah people are playing Bob Dylan to cover up. The noise Yoko said we did it anyway.
I know right? I don't know what they're doing is they're having sex or what the hell is going on? We heard it anyway, and everybody had their coats in the Next Room where John and this girl are making out. Oh my God. So I guess there's no but still so nobody can go home. Yoko said it was very embarrassing. That's terrible. The fact that he would put her in that situation, he really obviously doesn't respect her that much, it's insane. It's insane, dude. And then we're gonna go get your
coat. I don't want a party John. This is the cheating on his wife. I wonder who that woman is. I don't know. I didn't really look into it but it wasn't written. Yeah, the next day, John was remorseful Yoko, said, you need to figure out how she felt. But because remember they got
their apartment got robbed. Yeah, they got a call about an apartment that was open in the Dakota on Central Park and even though this was like a weird time for them, they decided to go see it anyway and they liked that they had guards and security. So they decided to move in. So about the incident at the party. I'll go said that situation really woke me up. I thought, okay, we were so much in love with each other and that's why we sacrifice everything.
My daughter, everything it Worth it if we were totally in love with each other, but if he wants to make it with another girl or something, what am I doing? So Yoko decided they needed time apart and she said, I started to notice that he became a little restless so I thought it's better to give him a rest in me and rest. So she suggested that John goes to LA It's kind of funny. What's up with the people?
Like I don't know, sending people, she suggested John goes to LA, and apparently, he lit up. And she knew that John wasn't good on his own. Mmm, this is the crazy part. So she set him up with her assistant Mae ping to be a 20 21, 22 year-old chinese-american woman from Spanish Harlem Yoko said May paying was very intelligent Didn't attractive woman and extremely efficient. I thought they'd be okay. So she set up John and may to be romantically involved together. That is so odd.
And and she was just fine with that like oh he's in. She did it for you know if you love someone set them free. Yeah. For him to come back. Yeah I believe so well because it worked right? It's just nuts. I mean who doesn't like I know what if I got her pregnant? There's no there Mary? I know. So summer in 1973 John and may flew to La, is he doing this town is crazy and they were there for a year and a half. Okay.
That's a long time, you know and John referred to this time of his life as his lost weekend which I thought literally because I had heard of it I thought was literally a lot. Yeah so did Charlie my boyfriend who's like a huge Beetle Maniac? He also thought it was literally Weekend? No, it's a year and a half. Yeah. A year and a half of depression debauchery, but also creativity productivity and fun described it. If you chose the word weekend to like really minimize that time
period. Because it's weird how like that's not remembered in history. I know so crazy. So, for the first time, John Lennon was not defined as a Beatle nor the husband of Yoko Ono. Hmm. I mean, I still think it's fucked up but I guess I can kind of see this time being important for him to like, figure out who he is. Or what? Yeah. But why does it need to be with another woman? Like, I know, I know crazy.
So during this time he finished three solo albums and produced two others for friends, And he became friends with Elton John mmm and he also fell into a group called The Hollywood vampires, which was a drinking Club Last Man Standing kind of thing. And in the club was Bernie taupin out in Spartan writing partner Islands, writing partner, Keith Moon of the who Ringo was in it. Nobody I know, and Micky dolenz of the monkeys so they're just A
drinking Club was owed. They literally were just drinking yet. Because what they did you guys drink okay? Again, it's like if this time he was getting sober something and you know Changing, maybe he did, but it's just sounds like he's yeah, up to debauchery. I wonder if they wrote to each other and see it in contacts during exam. Okay, they did.
So, I was about to say that, that may paying found the phone calls from Yoko, becoming increasingly controlling MMA said first, they were directives to keep our relationship quiet, which is fine with me, then crisis mode, kicked into would call in with instructions of what to say that she had thrown out. John she'd call. Every day to remind us of what to say, one drama after another what to say to reporters. I guess so. I mean I do think that she's a right to be controlling, its her
husband. Yeah. And she, yes, a doctor situation. I know it's an odd situation. Yeah, it's crazy. Apparently. John and Yoko were in contact every day. Okay. My phone multiple times a day. This is stupid. I don't know why you didn't Buzz. So crazy. He just with me. Me and poor may. I know why did she go along with it? Your situation. I don't she's so young to know, Harrison.
She's 22. Mm-hmm. So I guess after a while you'll go, I mean, this is her idea but after a while she was started to, you know, not be happy with it anymore and she went to Paul McCartney. Wow. And asked if you do her favor. So Paul went to LA and told John Yokota Back as long as he made an effort to court her. Mmm that's so sweet of Paul.
Again that to I have a quote from Paul he said no one ever no one ever goes on about the time to John Hurt me when he called my music, music people keep saying I hurt him but where I think because of those doing things but where's the examples? When did I do it? Nobody knows how much I helped. John me and Linda went to California and talked him out of his so called Lost weekend when he was full of drugs. You told him to go back to Yoko and not long after he did.
I went all the way to LA to see that bastard, he never gave me an inch, but he gave, but he took so many yards and feet. Yeah, Paul also said, I have some juicy stuff I could tell about John but I wouldn't not one yolk was alive or Cynthia. Oh my God, John would Donald grab for the action? See, the first thing in his head. We admired him for that. That's yeah. John really does seem to strike me as such a hypocrite like these things that he accuses people have.
It's like you're one to talk and I love how Paul said, so-called weekend year and a half. It is called the last year and a half. I know it's like it is phony of him to say that. Yeah, he won't be honest. You know, what he's doing with his life and Like really his love for Yoko. Seems like a facade. Now that Paul has even go there and convince him to get back with her. I know. So John went back to New York but he was still with me. Oh my God, he was staying with me.
Oh my God. I know and John felt like he was publicly out of favor at the moment and then the other Beatles had more solo hits. Paul had had three number-one hits in the US by then I guess all the Beatles. At the Plaza Hotel, to sign papers to end their lawsuit. Um, but John, didn't show up and he said, I didn't sign it, because my astrologer told me it wasn't the right date. Oh my God, the group was annoyed, and George invited him to a charity show. Oh my God.
That's so annoying. George is having a tough time at that time, too? Because I really think this could be a good episode. His wife Patti had left him for his best friend. Eric Clapton. Oh my God. I don't even know who's best friends with a group best friend and so George, I really loved. Eric Clapton like I almost feel like the way John feels about yoga like, oh, there she is. Such an artist whatever. Yeah, George felt. All right, that's terrible.
You know, so Paul met up with John and made of smooth things over, I guess. I don't know what that means but John and may then took Julian, who is now 11 to Florida and went to Disney World? Okay. I don't know why I put that in there, but I think I thought was interesting. Like I can't really picture someone that I know. I'm gonna guess. It's sweet that he's doing something for Julian. Yeah. So John start hanging out, David Bowie. At this time. Fun fact, there's always producer.
Tony Visconti later, married Mae ping. Oh my God. I know everyone's okay, it's that, Invisible String? Yeah, without Yoko setting up. Yeah. May and John John and David Bowie. Dave always produced, are ya, Mae ping. They would have never found each other. So it always almonds have. He's all meant to be. That's very nice. Yeah. Um, but okay, I guess seems seems shady it seem like there's maybe over Laughs or something because sometime in 1975 Yoko, became pregnant and Johnny Joker
back together, okay? So I don't really know like how I'm sure some people out there. No, I'm sorry. I don't have the information but I don't know like what happened with him. Yeah, maybe she met Tony and but seems worthy this arrangement with may like it was never supposed to be long term. No. Yeah, it seems like it was an arrangement and he overdid it. Yeah. It's how I Receive it like it's like the TV show the ultimatum. I don't know.
You haven't seen it but it's like they practice dating other people in order to decide if they really want to be together it seems like that's what Yoko was trying to set up. Yeah. I think so but it wasn't really working. No. But now they're back together. Yoko's 42 at the time and since she has had miscarriages in the past she was on bed, rest Malthus time and John took care of her like, push her around in
a wheelchair and stuff. So, It's cute, he showed Yogo his Los Angeles, diary that chronicled all the highs and lows during their separation, that was interesting, and then he burned it in the kitchen sink. Okay. Very young creative. Yeah, I mean, are you guys like that? Yeah, I'm mad. He did all that, but I think that is a nice symbolic gesture. Yeah, I think it's in the past and shows transparency obviously. Yeah, your see everything, that's true.
So then October 9th 1975 their son, Sean Taro, Lennon was born. Sean. And he's like a musician today. Beautiful, beautiful. 1977 both John and Yoko announced that they will be putting their careers on, hold to concentrate on raising their son. Sean, that's sweet. So, they did, and then so I don't really have much information, but then a couple years later, November 1980, they John Yoko released an album together called Double Fantasy and okay. Now we're like getting to the
end here. I know I'm getting like really like scared and sad. It's scary. So December 8th. 1980, John have busy day him and Yoko had a photoshoot interview, and they were working on their song walking on thin ice. So, this is actually the day. I don't know if you've seen it before but Johnny, okay. We took their really famous Rolling Stone cover which is Yoko is lying there with clothes on and he was like yeah. That's the same day. He's not crazy with the day he died. Is my you serious?
Yes. Yeah. It's the same doesn't day. They shot that that's crazy. I know it's so weird. Not like, I know you were asked me the other day about, like things that are, you know, seem like things are connected the universe. There's a lot of things on this day. That is very weird. Yeah, they shot the iconic Rolling Stone cover and you leave of its was a photographer. She's very famous. It wasn't even printed yet that
no thing cover. Um and apparently, John loved it. Like when they were taking it and said, this is it, this is our relationship. He loved the picture, then that same day, he was interviewed for archeo radio, and the guy that interviewed him, Dave schoelen, well, Yoko is there to. Maybe she was interviewed to, I'm not sure, but he said the eye contact between John yolk. Was amazing. No words, had to be spoken. They would just look at each other with intense connection.
So during the interview, John reflected on how he'd recently, turned 40 and was becoming middle-aged. And he said, I hope I die before you go, because if you go died, I wouldn't know how to survive. I couldn't carry on.
That's so crazy that he said that, I know, the day he died, he said that it's not like oh my gosh and he said, I always considered my work one piece, whether it be with the Beatles, David Bowie, I'm John Yoko Ono. And I consider that my work won't be finished until I'm dead and buried and I hope that's a long long time. Oh my God I know that's really does make me think. Like sometimes things are just
so weird how they connect. And like I really truly think that like in real life like there's foreshadowing all the time and I know weird to not think that there's like something Greater going on. It's like, Joe. It's like noon. A weird way. I know, like, what are the odds that day you'd say, like, I hope I die before you go go. Yeah.
See so after the interview, they stepped outside and John was looking at photographs from a shoot, with a photographer named Paul gorosh and that's when a fan Mark Chapman walked up and see Fish, Lee asked him to sign a record. And he wrote John Lennon 1980 on the record and the photographer actually took a picture. Oh my God. And it shows John with the fan, Mark Chapman and I guess John
sighs out. Okay. And the fan Mark time I just like walked away and John turned back to Gorge with like a puzzled look and then I think they'd gotten car and left so that same fan, Mark Chapman. He stayed outside all day, outside the building, John and Yoko, went to the studio to work on their song. And then they stopped at home to see Shawn before dinner at 10:45 p.m. they stepped out of the car outside of the Dakota. And that's when that fan, Mark, Chapman shot him five times.
Oh my God, and apparently down the street at 135 Central Park West James, Taylor heard the gunshots and he leaned his head out of his window and said, I'm pretty sure that came from the Dakota. Oh, my goodness. Interesting. Mel's been into him lately. So they were constantly like two cops, really close by and they just pulled up in their patrol car and put John in the car. And the officers asked if he was John Lennon and he nodded his chest was soaked in blood. You just taken to Roosevelt
Hospital and Yoko is in the car. Just stunned and silent and he arrived alive in the hospital but he died there. And Yoko is swamp sobbing in the arm of a police officer. Oh my God. I have literally chills right now. I know it's crazy. And what are the odds to that? Like that fan had been photographed? I know to so weird like that they could have the evidence. Yeah, I regretfully like I actually don't know a lot about John Lennon's murder and like
why the fan? I'll tell you I have information about it but apparently when they the doctors were working on John, And they were playing like Beatles music over the sound system, like All My Loving o sweet when John was declared dead. Jaune, Tom, when John was declared dead Yoko, said he can't be dead. He was just alive. Apparently, she collapsed and then banged her head repeatedly on the floor. That's awful. It's so sad. I guess on TV ABC was broadcasting.
The final minutes of a matchup between In the New England, Patriots, Miami Dolphins. I'm just kind of right now but I just thought it interesting and there's a less than a minute to go on the clock but they interrupted the game to announce an unspeakable tragedy confirm To Us by ABC news in New York City, John Lennon outside of his apartment.
Building on the west side of New York City, the most famous, perhaps of all the Beatles shot twice in the back, rest to rush to Roosevelt Hospital Dead on Arrival. Oh my God, I can't imagine what it was like to be watching that. I know time. That would be insane. And it's just Don't care. Like the end of the game was playing. They're just like yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah. So apparently like Mark Chapman after he shot. He even give him attention. But, you know, it is.
You wonder like, why did he do that? Um, I know about The Catcher in the Rye. Yeah. The cops asked? Do you realize what you just did and he said yeah, I just killed myself. I am John Lennon. Very creepy that is so creepy. I know. So, apparently he was angry that John would we kind of said earlier that? He would like preach love and peace. Yeah and millions of dollars.
Chapman said, he told us to imagine no possessions and there he was with millions of dollars and Yachts and farms and Country Estates laughing at people, like me who had believed in the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around the music. He also recalled having listened to Lennon solo music in the weeks before the murder.
And he said, I would listen to this music and I would get angry at him for saying, in the song God that he didn't believe in God, that he just believed in him and you, Go and he didn't believe in the beetles that this was another thing. That angered me, even though this Becker had been done at least 10 years previously, I just wanted to scream out loud who does he think he is saying these things about God and having in the Beatles saying that he doesn't believe in Jesus
and things like that. That point my mind was going through a total Blackness of anger and rage. So I brought the Lenin book home into this Catcher in the Rye milieu where my mindset is Holden Caulfield and anti phoniness. Because yeah, if you guys haven't read Catcher in the Rye like Holden is. So disturbed by phoniness in the world. He hates phonies. Yeah. Like - and I always thought like, oh, I mean, it's weird, like JD Salinger how much I must suck that.
Like, I know, accidentally inspired this. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm tingling Beatles, like The White Album unintentionally. Inspiring Charles Manson to murder. Yeah, exactly. I mean but honestly, as soon as I do, wonder if people would have found a way anyway. Give that's just an excuse but also I think of like Qatar in the right. I've been so long since I read that but isn't the phoniness kind of like like a Holden's entire personality.
Just A coping mechanism to deal with the fact that like he's like in deep grief over the loss of his brother. Yeah. Yeah I mean it's like total misreading. I think it's like just insane that that's the message you would. Yeah exactly kill people. Yeah, not at all. Oh what was the point of the book every day? Yeah, this guy sounds like an idiot and crazy. Yeah, he was obviously insane. So what so did he just ask for an autograph to like, add like more?
I don't know. I mean, maybe he thought, maybe he's said this. Like, I'm sorry, I don't have the information, but maybe he thought. Like he wanted to change his mind or something or like he was a huge fan. But yeah, also wanted to Tell me like it's just bizarre. That's so sad and I feel like my
heart is broken for yoga. I think of like I don't know when you ever have a nightmare something and something terrible happens and you like get a do-over by waking up and like she like, I know, instant their entire life and change, it's so sad. I mean, she was an artist and musician to and stuff, but like I feel like John was her life in a big way, like So much of her life was John. Yeah, it's just insane and they have their little boy like and
he was so young, right? Yeah, he was apparently he woke up to reporters outside his home. He knew something had happened and Ringo called his ex-wife. Cynthia to tell her what happened, oh my God, apparently Mark Chapman had planned for months months to do it. Like it was really premeditated and he also had planned to kill Paul. Me Johnny, Carson. Those are the Taylor. Jackie Kennedy, girl, Reagan and a few others. Oh my God. How does he thinks gonna do all? I know, I guess.
Like we do one big pot. You idiot. You're just not giving advice but like how did he think shooting him in front of people? He was gonna be able to then do a bunch of other celebrity. Yeah, that's crazy. It's just insane. They do say that because like, you know, how he said I killed myself, did you say a lot of people that do stuff like this? If they are like suicidal.
Mmm. Yeah. Because obviously, you don't really care what happens to you after that, it's fucked up, weird thing to how I said, James Taylor like heard it and she apparently, the day before this happened, Mark Chapman accosted James Taylor on the 72nd, Street subway station, that's so we I know Taylor said the guy had sort of pin me to the wall. Almost glistening with manacle sweat, and talking, some freak, speak about who's going to do and his stuff with how John was in.
Didn't I was going to get in touch with John Lennon. That is crazy. You know, I know I mean we live in New York City and I never see celebrities so rarely, so someone, yeah. Sorry, wrong, you saw Shailene Woodley, but that's crazy. You know that like days apart? I think he was just like hanging out. Mmm. Like doing nothing. Just on the street. Waiting to see people. Yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, it you know that's how John Nichols wasn't intended. It's very sad.
Since then mean you don't, you'll go still makes music. She still does a lot of things. I actually don't know anything about like her love life. I didn't look into it. I should have but well like we said, we have tunnel vision. Yeah. It's couples just about them. You know, we're not doing their whole all the relationships, but She's she still has like the same philosophy of seem piece thing. She's on Twitter now.
And in this year, June 18th, I just found this random tweet, but I thought it was just kind of like Charming that she's like this name because she tweeted change will happen. Don't try to use World changer, head World. Peace will instantly ran over us as we change our heads, and it will be done. You don't even have to lift our fingers. We just use our wits, which is all we had. She's so sweet. She is. And she she's done a lot of like philanthropic work sheet from of topic work.
She funded the strawberry Field section in Central Park. Oh wow. She founded the Imagine peace Tower and Iceland which guess I'm going to see because I'm fine, I'm going to Iceland Zoom. Yeah, it's like this these beams of light that shines in the air but it's actually run on geothermal power. So it's like eco-friendly and it has Pete. Imagine piece written in like everything. She's donated to many Charities, like disaster relief in Japan and the Philippines.
And every other year, fifty thousand dollar, grant for peace, she co-founded the group Artists Against fracking and yet she continues to make music of yoga. Oh no. Paul McCartney said. I thought she was a cold woman. I think that's wrong. She's just the opposite. I think she's just more determined the most people to be herself. That's really sweet. It seems like they are in contact with each other. If I'm not me. Yeah. I think they are.
They are they did have like a TIF I mean I don't know I feel bad that I just had this very nice thing and then because two years after that oh no. Oh publicly compared John Lennon to Wolfgang? Amadeus Mozart. And then she said Paul McCartney was more like his last talented Bible. Antonio salieri. And this infuriated Paul McCartney's wife Linda yeah who's dying from France breast cancer all the time and when Linda died McCartney did not invite.
Yo go to the memorial service. Yeah I mean it's fine. It's sad it's always a little drama but I do think that I think that Yoko and Ringo and Paul are like on good terms and they do talk and stuff. Yeah. And I know Paul's tried to have like a relationship with her and there's like this whole story about how she at first said, like I don't because he contacted her and said like I would think John would want us to still be in each other's
lives. Yeah she said something like I don't want your pity like you shouldn't call me just because you feel like you should and then he's was like you're right. Um but I would like to be in your life and so I think they are. It sounds like Paul he's like oh Is going out of his way to do things for John's. Even still like know I love and he really cares about not just dumb but like the people that like mad to John.
Hmm like his kids yeah. Like even like I've seen a cover of like I'm seeing beautiful boys and getting all choked up. Also I have to say I guess Yoko had kind of a difficult relationship with Julian. Mmm, John's son with Cynthia but their relationship has improved over the years. I guess. Jillian was like disappointed about her. Oh, her handling of Lenin's of State because apparently he was left out of his father's will. That's awful. You know, and I don't know how
that happened. Yeah, it's not have one or something. I don't know how that happened, but he battled Yogo in court for years. Oh my God, I'm in 1996 for an unspecified amount which the media reported was believed to be in the area of 20 million pounds, which Julian has denied. So I don't know. And he also said, Julian said, dad gave up music for a couple of years to be with Sean. Why couldn't he do that with me? Yeah, I'd imagine. That is so heartbreaking.
It's sad. I mean there's a lot that goes into it though. I Obviously, John was younger when he had Julian. I'm not giving making that an excuse me. Like usually people. Yeah. And he was still in the beetle. Yeah. Exactly probably wasn't gonna do that. It is really sad but obviously he found probably a maturity later on had nothing to do with Julian but that's heartbreaking and it's kind of not a good look on Yoko. That like, why is she even
battling with Julie? I know like I feel like if I was in her situation and be like this is John son. I Him to be taken care of. And I would hope that John would have wanted Julian to have no some money as well. I don't know what her argument would. Ya look into it? Maybe she felt like some of it was hers or something because she did albums with him like I do. As of a couple of years ago, I don't know if she's still does, but maybe she does. She still lived or lives in Dakota?
Oh, where he was shot outside. I had no idea but she said something like that was our home. Only John like she didn't want to leave it today. It said that she's withdrawn from public life but she does still make someone parents. Yeah, I think I've seen her. She makes like dance music today. Oh, She must be really old though. Yeah, she's 89. Wow. And, um, her son. Sean makes music today. He's on a song with Lana Del Rey. He looks a lot like, John that he does, and it's usually it's
just like him too. Yeah, I know makes me sad. She's 89. You know, like how much time looks really good for her age, she does she does. So that's basically what I have. That's ano KO Z. I feel like I learned so much me to it's correct. It's so dramatic. Yeah, it's crazy. It's so sad. Do you think if he was alive
today, they'd still be together? I, I do kind, I mean, I don't know it's tough to say but the journey would have been like if they would have just been together this whole entire time with absolutely no more drama or whatever, but I don't know, I can't really picture them both being like a live in the Together in a way. I agree. I mean, it's an unfair question for sure. It's probably a little offensive.
Sorry. But I do think they really seem like, I think they really did deeply loved each other. I don't know what the weekend was last weekend. I don't know. I I mean they were in contact the whole time. Yes. I don't I don't think John ever Stopped Loving Her. Hmm. But it seemed like he had issues. Yeah, yeah. Very, very intense love for each other. That's true. Do you think they were a love at first sight upon meeting in that art gallery. I kind of think they were. Yeah, they were.
Wow, your site. When you think about it, too. It's like I mean this is why life I think is so magical like this. You know, was that their manager just arranged for them to go? Yes. A little event. Yeah. They didn't even know why they were going. Yeah. It's like that's like fate. You know, it's like something just brings you somewhere where you're supposed to be at the exact right time for a memo. The person that you're going to fall in love with, it's crazy.
It's interesting. Now when you listen to music you can think about all this. Yeah. Give you some perspective. Resin piece John mmm wasn't three hours. One hour 52 right right I'm shy. No just flew through. Oh my god. Well when I record an episode and not the next one with the one after that. Yeah. Can I say what it is? I think that will still be three hours, I'm excited. I hope not. But so we have a fun one planned, for our next episode. 30. And Kelly is also in the
driver's seat for that. Yep. Do you want it? Give a tease of what that one will be. Oh gosh, I didn't I didn't think of anything. Um, this is a relationship from the 90s, And not a lot is known about it. But everyone knows a song about it. That might be different way too much a little obvious. Okay, so I say, no, let's keep that. I'm sure there's a few people who don't get it. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I'm excited on peeps. Listening. Huh. Wow. My first episode lot
information. Yeah but it was so much fun. I know I didn't know so much and I didn't know any of that teaching stuff. No, I just crazy Diamond. I still haven't been to the Central Park, like the Imagine thing. Oh yeah. I've been there once before. Is that near the Dakota think it's okay. Mystics. I've like been in that area but yeah, I'm do it. I was also thinking as well until I go back to it, but the idea of yoga still living in the building, all those years that
must have been really traumatic. Actually, just still walk outside. I know where he died. Yeah. Well I guess he didn't die there where he was shot. Mmm, that'd be really scary. I don't know how she got through that and maybe I guess, like, just continuing to live there, like, desensitize is her to it rather than like, if she were to leave and come back.
Yeah, true maybe. Hmm. I remember because I studied abroad in London, my friend Lisa. And I went to their apartment in London and we stood outside of it and played happy Xmas War's over outloud interested. And we went to Liverpool to, hey, Lisa. If you're listening, it's funny because I feel like I'm such a bigger Beatles fan now than I was when I went to Liverpool. Yeah. Like I didn't even know anything when I went there.
Yeah. I feel like you have become such a bigger fan, the past few years. I have, I wanted to like I remember being like, Oh, I wanna get some books but I don't want to learn more. And then I like finally did. Yeah, Charlie's would get into them so that helps I don't love that Christmas song.
Happy Xmas. Oh really Yeah, you know, I prefer it actually to Simply. Oh Paul's it makes me think of like the shoe department being a man, know how creative you have to be to come up with a new grid. Oh, I know catches on, I wish you'd Sean, my brother and I were actually saying this the other day, if you write a Christmas You are set for life like it will play every single year. It's not that easy. No, because a lot of the hits have been around forever. Yeah. New ones people make.
They just don't stick know, I would say the most recent one to stick was is Kelly Clarkson's one that's like I don't even know if I know that. Okay. I can't think of Melody or the lyrics right now but I know she has it. It's like a done Anna. I don't know the song. You know what I mean? Yeah Dad I don't know if I know it. I think if you heard it you ain't no. I always want Coldplay's Christmas lights to be bigger.
All I know it's too late. I mean it's not going to be like popular now but I mean like it's not going to become a classic nass. Yeah could be but I just wish it was bigger. I feel like that's a really good song. It's I love but it doesn't really get played. Much fana. Tell me, isn't that Ariana Grande so I don't know. I wouldn't say that. That's it. I don't know that one. It's like Justin Bieber has a Christmas but again, I don't know.
But I do think that Kelly Clarkson was like Dad and I know. Oh wait you he's like you're here to die. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think I know what. Yeah, oh yeah. Such Bibles Paul and John their Christmas song. Yeah. I wonder what it feels like to be George and Ringo. It's, you know, you're never on that lovely. I think Ringo was pretty chill with it. I love ring. I didn't really talk about him much in this episode but he's
just so funny. But I think George It was a little disgruntled by it. Mmm, little bit. So upon John's death to the Beatles. Have any type of like coming together. I'm assuming all three of them went to the funeral and everything, I'm not sure to be honest. Oh, but there is that famous footage of Paul reacting?
I'm saying is a drag, the yeah. But if you so like, if you guys don't know, there's like all this controversy because it was quoted the All said, it was a drag than John was murdered. But if you actually watch the video, you can tell he's like annoyed and like, being sarcastic. Kind of. Yeah. Exactly. And when people just find out news like that, like they're in shock. So he's just kind of being like, yeah, what do you think? Like it's drag like yeah, I'm not sure.
I'm not I'm not total expert yet. I'm not not there yet. Yeah, but I'm on my way, I would like to get a degree and beetles knowledge. Random facts. Well, there's like a workout like museums. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah, that year that month blah blah blah blah. Yeah no. I don't know why I find it. So interesting. Well, thank you guys for listening. It was a wild ride. Thank you so much. Thank you God, for leading that episode. That was a big one that took so
much research. So love you guys love. You catch us next time. Bye, your heart.