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Thanks for listening. I was just laughing about how when we first started the fog guys we were nervous like okay we don't want people didn't think that where the signal you can feel like we're significant lovers right now we're talking about lovers. I was gonna keep joking about it but yeah, today's Sewed is about oh I don't know what accent I like it. I like it about Cupid country folks from back in the 60s and 70s. Johnny and June, Johnny Cash and June Carter.
I am so excited. I this has been on the list in my mind since the beginning. This is an iconic cover. They are really known in history, as being like this great love story and I feel like even like in songs, nowadays, do you think that does that make? - putting in headphones. Sorry, sorry. I'm sorry. So sounds a lot better now lives with her twin brother. My cousin, I do not know. Hmm, and I'm walking a thin line because what he was in love with being together.
I love it though. Sean, if you're listening, I love living together. Yeah. Oh, since I last recorded, I now have a job. Yeah, Mel. Got a job. Hmm. So thank you, everybody for your prayers and wishes. No, that was really short lived actually. Yeah, I don't think so. Came out yet where you're saying, That you need you don't have a job and I don't think so. Yeah, I think that was the Johnny Winona one the week that this episode comes out. It will be my first week on the job really.
So it's funny how life comes. When I start my job. Yeah, I started not next week but the week after and after two weeks off just do nothing. I'm so jealous. It's really kind of time of my life right now. I'm obviously nervous to start a new job. It's scary. When you start a new job when you don't really know what to do. I just bought in the news a lot of new clothes and oh, really? Yeah, because I don't have like, work clothes. I'm going to go into an office and exciting.
Work, work work. Anyways anyway, this is my job. I was kidding. It's not my only job. You have a day job. Hey guys listening? Yeah. Maybe not. People are less fascinated with this one than the Twilight one. I know, I feel like people even still think I do the Twilight known because I think the toilet because guys music host another bite Twilight. I think that was just a easier thing to make fun of me with or tease me with. Yeah, this one is like a little more norville's.
Oh yeah, I know when I left my last job, I feel like couple people make comments like, oh, like if I, you know, whenever I do something with vampires, I think of you or something. Not only would that be? Yeah. Yeah, this one. It's just, it's more and more normal or socially acceptable. Yeah. But the last one another, but of Twilight, people are still listening to it. Yeah. That means a whole lot. Yeah, thank you guys. Gonna have to do some Twilight. These stuff here, pretty soon.
And if you guys time I was into it actually are so additional and Ben Gibbard, episode randomly had a lot of toilet room. Yeah. Well, I mean a lot he was on one of the sound. Yeah, he's from Washington, I am. I drawing a blank on which one. I don't know why you are. That's crazy Mel, which one is Young? Oh my God, meet me on the Equinox. Jack. We're talking about different
positions today to together. Yes. So like I said, Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash and yeah, they had a very long marriage and just went down in history. I think as soul mates, but were they really soulmates was their marriage? I think so. I think, I don't know, we'll get into it. So I mean, they were committed to each other for years decades and That's so rare when it comes to famous couples but their marriage like, wasn't this amazing love story which is like
disappointing. I feel like that's one thing that I like I hate on covering as I do research like but it was still a good love story. They stayed together though right? Yeah, they did. And so yeah, I feel like this episode like the questions that I have are like really, you know, like what does it mean to be like a soul mate? Like it's obviously Not without problems. But like at what point does it
cross a line I guess? And look at what point can someone not be like forgiving or don't you think when they were older though? I mean and I don't I have to hear the whole story but I'm guessing in private that it was very nice. It was they did really deeply love each other. I guess I have to hear because Mel did all the research And she's going to tell a story guy. Yeah. So I'm just listening. Yeah, yeah, well, I'll get into it. So, we got my three words. I would use to describe this
couple would be unhealthy. The first one, but then unwavering forgiving would be my three words and Ice. Yeah. So June Carter, she was born. June 23rd. 1929 and Macy's spring. Virginia. And she was born to a really well-known musical. Family, The Carter family, her mom, Mabley and Ezra. Carter, were country music singers, and they had a band with Mabel's cousin. So Mabel is June's, mom, her cousin Her Mabel's cousin, Sarah was married to azra June's dad's brother.
So it's like two cousins married to Brothers. Basically. Yeah. So they're like, related on both sides and so her aunt and uncle. Yeah. So her aunt and uncle were AP Carter and Sarah Carter. And they formed this band called The Carter family with Mabel and Ezra and they're just all country music singers. And they were Really known for popularizing what's called like Appalachian music. They're from like mountains, in Virginia, actually think they're
called the card a group, maybe. And when Mabel and her sisters, if she's two sisters older sister Helen and a younger sister Anita, when they were coming of age, they also went on tour with their family and they just all sang like everywhere, like, they were really well known, like, in country music. Hmm. So she lived her life, like, on the road. A lot and her cousins. Yeah. Yeah. June And and her cousins also were in the band and they all just recorded and toured together.
Wow. Yeah. I mean in my line which is all I really know. Yeah. It seems like it at least in the movie that Johnny listen to them when he was little. Yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah. So he knew like of her family. Wow, June. And she said this in the movies. You like you know, you had just
mentioned it earlier. She wasn't the best singer in the group, so she usually known for her personality more so, and so like she would do these, like little bits on stage if she had a character called Polly that she did on stage and she was really just like a clown, kind of, which is cute. And later when she's a teenager June, and her mom, and her sister has formed a quartet called The Carter sisters after her aunt and uncle AP and Sarah, got divorced.
Ji and Le fun. Fact. She's distantly distantly cousins with Jimmy Carter, really? The president didn't know that. I didn't even listen. Amy, yeah. I don't when they say distance, like how Justin, you know, but it must be kind of close if same last name. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's really interesting. I guess he acknowledged it ones like, in a speech. But okay, that I'm going to go back to June.
But so then we have Johnny Cash. He was born in Kingsland Arkansas on February 26th, 1932 as JR. Cash just Jr. Because his mom wanted to name him John and his dad wanted to Um, him Ray, and they couldn't decide. So, they compromised and just did JR. So those are just his name Jr. His mom was named Carrie. I don't know what she really did. I think they are all just were farmers. His dad was named Ray.
He was a farmer and a sharecropper, and a World War, One veteran, and I feel like iMovie Walk the Line. They made it seem like his dad was like really hard on him. Yeah, I don't know if that's like, actually how he was.
So why? Why he might have been I just don't see anything to like indicate that I mean he might have been like specially the time period but later on when he's a family with June, his mom and dad like live across the street, like it doesn't seem like they're really like but but maybe they, you know, worked on their relationship and stuff. Maybe Man Rober one that we just watched All Quiet on the Western Front. Yeah. Things into perspective. That's so true.
Oh my God. Yeah he probably was kind of grumpy because that is traumatizing. It's like these things. Boiled kids. Yeah. Well they really weren't spoiled though. No. I know. But yeah probably not but that's just how parents. Yeah, exactly. I mean I guess compared to like being in the trenches. Yeah, Germany doesn't seem that bad. Bad. But so when John or when Jr, was three years old, the Cache Valley moved to dicey's.
But I always felt dicey's Arkansas at as part of the New Deal, different families, poor families had the chance to work on land that they would later own. And so his family was really poor. He was also the middle child of seven kids, he had three sisters and three brothers and they worked on this field. Just singing gospel music together, and his family was
really close. It and he learned to play guitar from his mom who was into music and then as depicted in the movie, when Jr. Worked on the, when he's 12 years old, his older brother Jack was nearly cut in half by a table, saw at work and then he died a week later from his injuries, which affected him a lot. So sad, he was really close with his brother Jack.
Hmm in the movie they made it seem like he died like right away but But he died like a week later and also in the movie, The dad says to j.r. Johnny, like, where were you? I don't think that's that happened. But I guess like, apparently Johnny had like, a bad ominous feeling about the day when he woke up that morning. Mmm, and so did his mom. And so they both had a lot of guilt about that. Hmm, that's so sad. I didn't know he It's a, where were you? We might of, I just don't know it.
They like him and Jim like we're a little bit involved in the movie, in the casting, the very beginning. But I like the movie was filmed like after they had died. So I don't know. Really get the story from. Do you know how there's like something I probably shouldn't? No, that's okay. But yeah. So in high school, his voice dropped and he started singing on the local radio station and he was inspired by traditional
gospel, music and Irish music. Eric actually, and actually during his senior year of high school, is school took a trip to the Grand Ole Opry where he first saw June perform on stage with her family. Wow, that's crazy. And as a very deep voice. Yeah. Hey, my head, then in 1950 at age 18, He enlisted in the Air Force and he wasn't allowed to register using his initials. So that's He started going by John our cash.
So changed his name and while in training camp in San Antonio Texas, he met his first wife, Vivian Liberto at a rolling skate Ray. Yeah, really cute. And they did it for three weeks before he was deployed to West Germany. And then for three years, they just wrote thousands of letters back and forth to each other and now So she really waited around for him. He did. That's nice, that's good. I was thinking that during All Quiet on the Western Front, get
back to that. When I was like, man cause I mean, they went through, utter hell. Yeah. One of the guys was married and I was just thinking to myself like imagine if she like moved on while he's gone like that would be so terrible you know really risky but also it's like a happened. I know it did happen but also it's like I feel like the chances that he might come back are kind of slim after watching. Movie is like and then he didn't, yeah boiler, so sad that
movie really. Like, put a lot into perspective, it did very sad movie anyway, anyways. So yeah, John, he worked as a morse code, operator, intercepting Soviet Union or Soviet Union Army transmissions and we'll while overseas, he also formed his first band called The Landsberg barbarians with other soldiers.
Hers. And in 1954, after four years in the Air Force, he was honorably discharged and a month later, he and Vivian got married and they moved to Memphis Tennessee together where John's old appliances and studied to be a radio announcer and Johnny worked up the courage. One day to then audition for the sun which is a recording studio where he eventually went over the producer by singing in his rockabilly style. And Received a record deal.
Wow! And I really wanted to watch, I didn't end up doing it this documentary that is about his first wife, because in my research, and after watching the movie, Walk the Line, it sounds like her kids who she has with Johnny. They didn't really like, the way she was depicted. Mmm. And the movie like she was like nagging all the time. Yeah. And I do, it's like we'll get more into like their marriage. Yeah.
As the story progresses but I do think like they didn't really paint her in a bad light and I know a woman who waited around for three years for this guy, I know true. And then like of course, she's going to be nagging him because he's like cheating on her. I know they did also make her seem really not impressed with his music to, which is like my dad has a job for you. I think we always do that in
movies. Like the wife's dad has a job lined up and he refuses to say, Guys know, I don't think that really happened. Either they, I mean, when I was watching Walk the Line I did know. I did think he was being really bad and I was obsessed with Johnny, but I also was like, oh my God like he should just leave her. Yeah, she was really annoying. And that is what's her name? She's the actress. Who's like she's actually she's dead woman.
Who's in? What's that, show, that Caitlin what everyone's fun Once Upon Time. Goodwin. Yeah, she can be kind of annoying and so like I feel like that was very deliberate casting. Yeah, I'm sure that was not fair. No. But like she was pleasant sometimes. Probably. Yeah. And his wife really was treated very harshly by the Press because she actually a lot of people thought that she was black at the time period. She was very Italian, but She just had they cast Jennifer good.
I don't know. That's I was gonna be surprised by that too, and I feel like it's a pale his purse. Yeah, I know. I know, I know that's a prize me, I mean, but she did claim, she was white and very Italian. But like to this day I feel like people still speculate that she might have actually been black and it's like the KKK was like
really on her case and stuff. Like people were like really racist towards her and like I don't know if she actually was, I think she might have actually just been Italian but people really Really like sent a lot of like vitriol her. Why? That sucks. Hmm. And like she wasn't like, she was just a normal person. Like, I feel like he had an easier time with June, probably because she was, like, broadened. Like she'd always been a part of
like, Fame in a way. Yeah, but poor Vivian like I know, hopefully she Got a good amount of money and was able to enjoy. I really don't miss a real life that sucks. I what we were saying the other day in the Johnny Depp episode because he had an ex-wife who's forgotten to. Yeah, that would suck Johnny Cash or Johnny Depp. It's like hey I was married to him. I know you remember three years, they wrote letters back and forth like that's a big deal. I know she really waited for him.
Tragic. I know. But so do, you know, had some? She had some ex-spouses as well. Oh yeah, tracking a little bit and 1952 at age 23, she married her first husband, another country. Singer named Carl Smith, who was one of the actually most successful singers during that time, period 1950s. I've never heard his name before but I'm sure some people have no, he was like a big deal to Tanya and in 1955 Joon gave
birth to To their baby. Rebecca, Carlene Smith, who actually just goes by Carlene, Carter. A few months. After Carl had actually broken up with her. So, like really did. It's horrible? Yeah. Didn't last long, I guess. Apparently, he just wanted her to be a stay-at-home mom in June. Obviously, like wasn't going to do that. Like she was a singer and yeah, lived on the road a lot.
So, after their marriage fell apart, She was really devastated and she moved to New York City with baby Carlene to attend acting school, Carlene Carling. And then around this time, Johnny also began starting a family with Vivian there s. Their first daughter was in was born in 1955, followed by their second daughter, Kathy, a year later and Johnny was also growing in popularity in music and he had his number one, hit walk the A line, which he actually wrote for Vivian.
I keep a close. Watch on this heart of mine. I keep my eyes wide open. All the I keep bins out for the closet by because your mind, I Walk the Line, he wrote of her Vivian. If she was really scared that as he became more and more famous, all these women were like, throwing themselves at him that he cheated on her. So, he walked, he wrote that song to appease her worries and
tell her that he was faithful. Even though he was, she like the movie made it seem like He wrote it for June, no he didn't. So then in 1956 or yeah. 1956 June. And Johnny first actually met like face-to-face backstage at the Grand old Opry and even though he was married at the time, he apparently said to her, that he would marry her someday. Wow. You know I that always happen. That's really weird actually in real life. There's someone just said to you like out of someone who's in a
relationship. Yeah, I'm gonna You some dilute that would be weird. Actually someone did say that to me, really? Yeah. That's why I didn't tell you about that. I don't know. Is it recently? It's about like a year ago. Someone who I went to college with messaged me and said that, I don't know. I don't know that. That's crazy. Yeah, very bold. Yeah, that's what I said. It's kind of a lot like, for someone to say and but apparently, June wasn't that face and she just said, good, I
can't wait. And in later years, June talks about the first time they met on the Johnny Carson show and I'll play a little clothes. She's really long-winded in her stories though, but I was like, John. I was in the meantime working with Elvis Presley now and then and that was kept dragging me into these little places to listen to No. Do your husband have? Got it all wrong. Who is that? And he said, that's Johnny Cash. So he kept, we kept working
these tours. And I kept listening to this man, Johnny Cash, and I remember one night I had come home to the Grand Ole Opry to work. I'm going to go on stage and just all kind of slim guy walks up to me. It was just nice little grin and he said, oh, I'm you only care that my God, I bet the man and I'm not eating them, but you see Life Changes a lot. At that time, I was really married to somebody else and he was too only.
We were, I mean, I was separated only I was living in New York on. He wasn't separated and then it was a mess. I know those problems. We got him again for a long time. I just saw him kind of passing through. I don't know why we didn't work together. There's probably a lucky thing. Yeah. But we didn't. He kept going his way and I kept going my way, and I'd worked show dates over here. And Johnny Cash would work show dates over here, but I always thought he was kind of nice. You.
Yeah, she's so cute. I love her. Boy, isn't she? I can't force you to just hang out with Elvis? Yeah, and so crazy. Yeah. She did a lot of touring with Elvis and in his book, her son with Johnny Cash, John Carter Cash, theorizes that June actually had an affair with Thelma away. He doesn't know, for sure what he's like, I would believe it. May be interesting. Whoa, yeah. So yeah, Elvis really hung out with both of them. So he was like a Common Thread
for them. So then in 1957 June married, her second husband Edwin, rip Knicks, who was a police officer a race car driver and a former football player. So really not in the country music scene at all, what a renaissance man. Yeah, and yeah, in the movie Walk, the Line like John Zack, you got married. Like he's so then the next year 1958, they had a daughter Roseanna Lee, who just goes Bye Rosie.
And during this time, June would often go on tour with Johnny Cash and the girls would stay home with rip. Like rip jeans kids. Yeah. And even though they were both married Johnny and June, both feel like they openly just had feelings for each other. Hmm. Like I think they're just like a very attracted to each other like instantly. Hmm. There's no hiding it. Yeah, it was really palpable just a lot of chemistry and they had a lot of chemistry like on stage to like fans love when
they perform together. There's this journalist who wrote this book called Johnny Cash, the life which is a biography. Oh Robert Hilburn and he said that he'll burn, they would frequently fight and yell at each other. Like you got divorced. No, you get divorced. Like Like they're really open. My god. Really liked each other their problems obviously in that they're both married. Yeah, and then June later told Rolling Stone in 2000. I never talked much about how I fell in love with John.
It was not convenient time for me to fall in love with him and I wasn't and it wasn't a convenient time for him to fall in love with me. I was frightened of his way of life. I thought I can't love fall in love with this man, but it's just like a ring of fire.
Fire. So it's believed that June, then wrote the song Ring of Fire about their relationship, but it's really debated if that's true because she actually originally gave the song to her sister Anita, but it wasn't really a big hit, so then Johnny had popularized it when he sang it. So, people are like, does she do that? Why did she do it? When did she give it to her sister in the 1950s?
Like the mid-1950s? Hmm. But I shoulda known Johnny, but like it's like So it doesn't match the timeline and you say no does. But also another thing is Johnny's first wife. Vivian had told reporters that he said that he actually wrote the song Ring of Fire and that just he decided to give June credit because he wanted to help her out financially. What? I don't think that's true though because then why would she give it to her sister? But truth? I'm not sure.
I don't know if it was like necessarily really written about her relationship with Johnny, but like once he sing it, like I feel like it became the song. I like represented. Their relationship. Love is a burning thing and it makes a fiery ring. Bound by wild desire. I fell into a ring of fire. I fell into a burning Ring of Fire. I went down, down down and the Flames went higher, and It Burns.
Burns Burns the ring of fire. And then, in 1959, Vivian, John My wife gave birth to their third daughter and Cindy so their families growing mmm. Despite him spending more and more time with June man and then in 1961 June became a regular on the Johnny Cash show which was this variety show that Johnny had hosted throughout the actually no sorry that comes up later so I'm okay. She became a regular on the Johnny Cash show which we think was a tour and the two of them
were very popular. We are together on stage as I said, but John had a really bad substance abuse issues. He was really becoming more well known for his drug addiction and reputation to be a live wire, which is obviously depicted. And the film, however, he proposed to pay her a monthly salary to tour that included a closet. If she couldn't make a show, she would still get paid. And as a single mom of two, that was really appealing for her, so she decided to go on tour with him.
Hmm. And also that year, Vivian gave birth to her fourth daughter with Johnny, I'm a daughter named Tara, however, things were really bad for him and Vivian, she wasn't. Yeah, she was really catching on to his affair with June and she found receipts that John had, you know, bought June very expensive gifts and some of his bandmates were tipping her off as well. Well, so it was becoming really obvious and his daughter Cindy with Vivian gave an interview once.
And she said, once June came along, she relentlessly while she wanted dad and she was going to get him. And she did she made herself very available to where to where he pursued her back. Sorry, maybe we should just wait. All right intermission. Hmm. Wow, this is the first relationship we have that starts from an affair. No. I think John Lennon and Yoko straight into your right. Actually got I was reminding me of this. Hmm I'm so glad she's not a
movie there. A movie about their love story. I don't think so. Hmm could be wrong but I don't think so she's still alive so maybe she just didn't room hasn't approved that or something maybe when she does. That's the crazy thing about Walk. The Line the movie is that came out like 2005. Like they both died in 2003. So it's like, very way. Yeah. Like remain over, like, people were thinking about them. And this movie came out, it was like the perfect time. How about can you finish a very
good job? Yeah, he was really good in it, he won the Oscar, right? I don't think so. I don't think he wanted to Joker, right? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Was he nominated? Probably because you're mine and I Walk the Line. Let me see under wood burning when your farm the flame gonna hire. Only one for Joker. Joker. Not the Joker. I always make that mistake. Okay, hey so yeah, his drug use was really bad. Oh no, is really drugs Mel amphetamines?
Mainly? I think later he did like opioids and narcotics as well just like in like alcohol. Yeah, pills. Yeah, pills pills pills pills pills in 1965. He was arrested crossing the Mexican border with Over 1000 tablets of amphetamines and this is really bad in. 1965 he accidentally set fire to a campsite in Los Padres National Forest which led to thousands of
Acres of forest burning down. And he killed many of the endangered, Condor birds in the area and he was the first person to be sued by the US government for starting a fire. Oh my God, pay like thousands of dollars for that and like he said it was an accident but I think Was like drunk or something. So, oh, really bad. He was didn't mean to. Yeah, it's really bad.
I think of and what I got from the movie again, like, it's just a movie but like he, it seems like he just had a really bad impulse control, especially when. Oh, yeah came to like when he was drunk like he just would smash things. Yeah. And like that, like led to him cheating on his wife to like, he just had No inhibitions damn. Hold him back from whatever he wanted to do. Yeah I mean I know I noticed was the movie but when he like ripped the sink Off the Wall.
Yeah. Johnny Depp, we just covered. Yeah, I know. He is also known for trashing hotel rooms, I guess. The oh my God Johnny's. I know I'm down. Anyway, yeah. So his wife Vivian Take it anymore. So she filed for divorce in 1966 from Johnny and they finalized their divorce in 1967. She was forced to. She had to make a choice, and I think she was sad about it. Want to think she really, really loved him.
But she felt abandoned by him in many ways and he wasn't there for her, wasn't there for the kids. He was really just preoccupied with June. Like he was really obsessed with June and around that same time, June got divorced from her. Ben rip and apparently, she was really a shame to be divorced twice like everybody was judging her. And I had to say, like they're both very christian-like. They're both like, very religious. That must have been really hard.
Yeah, I would feel really ashamed myself to be honest. Yeah. And back then I know kids are two different. Yeah, guys. To door says she probably did believe it was wrong. So she's like what the fuck? I can get this together. Yeah she just like like her feelings for John Johnny were also really strong but she was really reluctant to like really be in a committed relationship with him because of his drug problems, but he had good. Yeah. I mean that seems pretty healthy on her part.
Yeah. He likes to be it. Reluctant. Well, could you two kids, too? So she was like I'm like I don't want to get my kids like messed up into this. Everything. So yeah, she was pretty horrified by all that but so John moved to an apartment close to her in order to pursue their relationship further, like once they both were single like, he just like wanted to be together. Yeah.
And in his autobiography, he writes about that time saying, I was canceling shows recording dates and when I did manage to show up, I couldn't sing because my throat was too dried out from the pills. I was in and out of jail,
hospital and car wrecks. I was a walking vision of death, and that's exactly how I I felt damn great time and in 1967, Johnny was a guest suicidal and he entered into this cave on the Tennessee, River called Nick, a jack cave, where he intended to end his life and he crawled for three hours until his flashlight went out. This is like a well-known story with him. God, apparently, in that cave, Johnny literally had a Resurgence of faith. And he said, they're in Nikka Jack cave.
I became conscious of a very clear simple idea. I was not in charge of my destiny. I was not in charge of my own death. I was going to die at God's time, not mine. I hadn't prayed over my decision to seek death in the cave, but that hadn't stopped God from intervening. And this experience, made him develop a closer relationship with God, which brought him closer to June, who was very Christian. And so then I started going to church together and he got sober and they like really fell in
love. Wow, Mmm. Yeah, although that same journalist I mentioned before Robert Hill born, he kind of undermines the story in his biography by saying that at that time for whatever reason that cave like would have been flooded. I don't know how he knows that. What? I don't, I don't think he's lying. Yeah. Like maybe he was crawling in a puddle exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna believe Johnny that that really happened. Yeah. And why, does he really have to crawl for three hours for it to
be meaningful? Exactly. Yeah, you know, I think it was a huge case are scary. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, now I'm now on a lighter, note, Johnny and June's do have a song Jackson like we're gonna Jackson. Yeah. That that year won. The Grammy award for best country performance. When I went to Jackson Wyoming with carry on, I know it's not the right Jackson but I kept playing that song. They couldn't stop some. Yeah, it's really catchy. I'm gonna Jackson Jackson. Look out, Jackson town.
Jackson, I'm gonna snowballs Jackson Kuwait. Were they married by that time? No, they weren't. But then on February 22nd. My friend Hannah's birthday. 1968, Johnny proposed on staged, June. And she also talked about this on the Johnny Carson show, so I'll share it, let's hear it. Anyway, after all these trials and tribulations, he finally
well then let's get married. Yeah, Johnny Cash straighten himself up really and and he proposed to me on stage in front of about 7,000 people in London, Ontario, Canada, really? Yes, that's really romantic. I couldn't say anything. I didn't know what to say and he just stood there and looked at me and grinned until I said something. You said yes. I said yes. Yeah, good, good. Cute to see, Johnny smile. I don't know. It's so funny.
Like when you watch the movie Walk the Line to like so serious when he like proposed. Yeah, he was like, he was really in love with her. Like I feel like that's pretty obvious. They got married, just three days later. Like, they were going to wait until the end of the school year, so that they would have to gank her kids out of school. But the her daughter Has were really excited about it and they were like, they made all these plans, like, they got music. You Ikea.
I think and it's just three days later they got married. On March 1st. 1968. He was 36. She was 39. He's got it. Yeah, but like, I love that, like, especially, they went down history of this, like, amazing love story, like they were in their late 30s. That's beautiful. That's really beautiful. Like, people feel like I'm, you know, I'm turning 30, I haven't met my soul mate, like they Yeah, they're almost 40 and that's when they got together made for years like yeah that's beautiful.
Despite it being her third marriage, this was the first time that June had changed her stage name so now she was going by June Carter Cash, but I mean, he's more famous and more famous than her. But yeah. Like it rings. Yeah doing by June. Carter Nix. Yeah, June Carter Smith. This one have been the same. Yeah, King Carter Cash, sounds good, Mmm. Yeah, that's a nice ring and their son, John Carter Cash writes in his book that apparently, his older sisters, you know, June's daughters.
They had said that before, they lived with, Johnny June was, really strict was really strict about neatness and chores, but then once they became a family, all those chores went away and they were really spoiled like they'd never had a single chore, they had a lot of help. Help. They had like chefs and housekeepers and like they just lived a life of luxury. Oh my God. What my sons, having a lot of money but it was weird. She just gave up on being strict, though.
I know. Yeah, she sure didn't care anymore. Then in 1961, the Johnny Cash show, premiered. Which was a variety show on ABC, featuring Johnny and often June along with other musicians and especially the Carter sisters were on their lock and the show aired until 1971. So I think that means some kind of like a household, like, I mean, they're obviously Super Famous like they came into your house. Yeah, they were in your living room so they combined had six
total daughters together. Wow for from Johnny and to from June so many daughters. But they really wanted a son so they tried for a year and a half to get pregnant and they finally welcomes their only son. And only child together a baby boy named John Carter Cash on March 7th, 1970, John, Carter Cash and that night Johnny opened a show for the Johnny Cash show by saying, hello. I'm Johnny, Carter Cash. His daddy. Oh, it's cute.
And it's cute. Hmm, and most of my information that I have for this episode, I got from a book written by John Carter Cash, which is interesting because it's like Adjusting to see a child's perspective. Yeah, it's called Anchored In Love. And he really wrote it about his mom. But obviously it's like a big part of that is his mom's relationship with his dad. Yeah. And so it's really cool to see his perception like of his parents. Marriage is a picture of June on
the cover. Mmm. Yeah. And there's a lot of pictures in the book as well of her Them together like it's a picture of him as a baby. And I could tar case. Guys, you can't see. I know so and then he said in the book about those early years, he says their relationship at that point was as good as it had ever been in their careers were soaring. The world was their stage. It was in this life that I was born.
The seemingly perfect life. When the story of John and June, Carter Cash have been told in brief. This is the happy ending. They have they have this is the happy ending, they had a son and they all lived happily ever after. That seems to be the unspoken message of the film walk. The line, of course, that's not true. In fact, it's far from true. But through all the years ahead, the successes and failures, triumphs and heartache, their love lasted. Hmm. So those first like seven years
of John Carter Cash is life. There were really idyllic like they were on the road a lot. They were really close knit family even slept in his parents bedroom with them everywhere that they went I did. Okay I read a rumor online that Johnny allegedly had an affair during this time with June sister Anita and that like Anita got pregnant with his baby but I don't think that's true at all. Like it's crazy. People would know more. About that. Where'd you read that? That journalists.
Are you talking about? Yeah, I feel like that's like too crazy. And like, it was on the inquire but like nothing. That's I think people would talk about that about is true. That's very scandalous. Yeah, I know doing the Sims 4 shine. Oh yeah, I don't think that's true. So yeah, June and John were both Big. Spenders are a little Materialistic.
John Carter Cash. Remembered in the book a time when June had picked up a purse at a store that looking at the price tag and then the cashier said that will be twelve thousand dollars in June didn't even blink. She just said I'll be paying with my American Express like they just kind of bought whatever they wanted, they both had some the 70s Mmm. Yeah twelve thousand dollars on a purse. I mean that's insane today. I don't think they worried about money whatsoever.
They owned a lot of property. They had a house in Port Richey, Florida. A lake house in Henderson Hendersonville Tennessee. Hmm, an apartment in New York City, an apartment in Ashbury Park, New Jersey, a farm in bond Aqua Tennessee and an estate in Jamaica called Cinnamon Hill, which they spent a lot of time. Is it Hendersonville Tennessee? Or is it is that Virginia actually just happen? Or is it North Korea and maybe North Carolina. Actually I'm not really too sure.
It's okay. It's Hennessy. Yeah, I think they also had a house in Virginia, though. So, I wouldn't even listen to that. Wow, that's a lot. Mmm. But so, then things started to sour in about 1977 Johnny. Relapsed into his drug addiction know which apparently led to him cheating a lot. But I couldn't find anything specific about like who he really cheated with? I think he just had like a lot of one-night stand. No Johnny no, uh-huh. And Little John.
John said in the book that was mostly sober for the first seven years of my life. And when he was sober, he was a faithful devoted husband and a creative and inspiring father, but the addiction was not something that I would ever be
not in this life. And when his addiction was in control of him, he became a different person entirely And yeah, I really liked that self-control and little John says, parents would fight a lot like all the time and he lived in constant fear that they would get divorced and said that he would often run into the middle of the room when they were fighting with each other and that he would burst into tears
to get them to stop. He said that like Johnny never laid a hand on June but like one time he did like like he raised his fist as if he was going to but He never did. I don't know why I'm laughing because Mel just at, yeah, but he was like he was like the one thing I know for sure. Like, you never did hit her but like it would seem like he would, but still. Well, that's good. I mean, John Carter Cash probably would know.
Yeah. Anybody. Yeah. But yeah, he was really scared that his parents who get divorced, which is a common thing for little. Yeah, here and in 1979 June actually really did consider leaving Johnny Me and spent time away in London with her daughter Carlene, while she tried to come up with a plan to leave him. Yeah, I'm not your Johnny. And June went on vacation with little John to their home in
Jamaica, for spring break. And during that time, they were arguing a lot to the point where Johnny actually asked Littlejohn to leave the room. Hmm. Little John was so scared. He's like this is that like my parents are gonna get divorced like this is like when it's going to happen. Then and then they call them back into the room and they told him that they were going to get remarried. Wow, either vows, and he was like, what he said. I never knew what my father
said. Some my mother that day that brought her back to him. So utterly and steadfastly. But it was as if they had just fallen in love for the first time whatever. He said, and did it was pure enchantment. Mom had forgiven him without reservation and their love. For each other became stronger. Than ever. Wow, I do think around this time, Johnny went to rehab. So that's probably what made him. Mmm. When her back. Hmm.
And got clean again, just nice. And then in 1981, Johnny and June Littlejohn along with some of their friends like his good friend, Little John's like school friend. I think they're like 12 years old at the time, they all went on vacation to Jamaica for Christmas and they usually hired security. Ready for their home when they were down there, but they just skipped out on it this time,
they're like, oh, we're fine. Like, they had this like, very like false sense of security, which wasn't good, because, as they were praying at the dinner table, this voice broke out and said, someone is going to die here tonight. What? Uh-huh, and they looked at the door and there were three men with ski masks on standing in the doorway. Oh my God, one had a hatchet. Get another one. Had a dagger. And another one had a pistol. Oh my God!
And the one with the pistol was like, raising it and the air. Yeah. And like they're all just having this like Christmas dinner. Like, it was really scary and they grabbed Little John's friend named Doug. Doug is his 12 year old boy and this was the those men grabbed. Yeah. Yeah. The men grabbed him and they put the gun to his head. What Doug's poor Doug and said Ed tell him, tell them if we do not get 3 million dollars within the next hour we were going to kill you. That's so scary.
Yeah. And Johnny at told them that they would give them anything that they wanted but they didn't have three million dollars on them and then they grabbed a little John their son and kept threatening them even more saying like you have to give us some money right now. Yeah, I feel like that was like damn what happened. So then each person in the house one by one around the whole house to make them, give them anything that they had and John Carter Cash rates as we cook Lea obeyed.
I caught my father's. I never before had. I seen such fear and helplessness from him. I was trying to be strong, but the look on his face toward deep into my heart. I could tell Dad feared, we would not make it through this hellish night. He said, I do not remember who went first, but Dad later Told me that he had never been so afraid as when they took Mom, he was terrified while she was gone.
But eventually she was returned seemingly unscathed and after four hours of these left with 5 thousand dollars in cash and all the jewelry in the house and they locked everybody in the basement with food. Oh my God. That's not. Yeah, I know. I can't believe that happened the one time. They didn't have security, I know, seriously. I feel like they never didn't have security. Ever again and they broke out of the basement. By slamming, a large coat rack through the door and the three
men who had robbed them. They were actually all killed upon resisting arrest. Wow. And John Carter said that he had felt really sad about that since the men just clearly were like struggling and like poor and but he was like obviously that shouldn't have. Yeah, they sent a weapons on them. Yeah. Yeah, they could have really killed them. Mmm, but he said that, after that, ordeal, he noticed that his mom was wearing these diamond earrings that her mom had given to her.
And he said, like, Mom, like they might have killed you, like, why didn't you just give them to them? And she said, some things are worth my life. I guess what she refused to give them her earrings. I don't get this. I know. But that just like shows like the spunkiness of like her character. Yeah, she would have died for those. Geez that happened. I was shocked by that. It's interesting in that book that part like occurs and then it's like broken up by like fun.
Pictures. Look like I've had that's not smart place today. This weird put a gun to my head and then and then traveler pictures. We need a minute. Poor dog. He was just there with his leg friends family name. Wow, they're really lucky turned out. Okay, I know seriously that's one of those things. It's like no. You're when you're in a moment of Crisis. Mmm. Like it will pass. And might I mean, that could have gone a lot worse. But like they won't have my had
a bat in my apartment. And that whenever I'm having a stressful moment I'm like, well I'm not still stuck in the apartment with a bat, you know what I mean? Like he's they're not still stuck in the basement with like Burglars upstairs. So I can't believe you come here to murder her. Well, you never know. That's can kill people. Hmm, I can't they have rabies No, but it's obviously this is a lot of theory but that's not
scary as well anyway. So yeah throughout the 80s their marriage was really Rocky, John Enos still struggling with his addiction and on the road they usually book separate hotel rooms just in case they needed their space from each other. Sometimes he would share bad, but usually sup separately and little John, he would sometimes share a room with his dad and he would just like, Watch over him and like count his breathing and sometimes he would stop breathing and he definitely go
get his mom. Like it was really stressful. Why would they have him? Be with Johnny? I don't get that. I think. Usually he shared a room with his mom but like I think, I don't know. I feel like they may be wanted him to like well, he's older at this point I guess like a teenager. Yeah, yeah. Probably didn't want to be with his mom. Hmm. And he describes his dad as being Really emotionally absent during that time he says bright and clear back then, Mom knew what she wanted.
Most of all she wanted a clean man in her life, a husband who could be counted on her love for him would never change. But the truth was dad was slipping away.
It also says as though, it was as though he was asleep but somehow still functioning just barely just sad and also during this time period Besides Johnny, all three of John's children were also struggling with addiction Carlene Rosie, and then eventually in the late 80s, early 90s Little, John's started experimenting with drugs and alcohol to actually started. When he's 14, started drinking. No, and they all were alcoholics and drug addicts. Oh my gosh.
So, June was constantly looking out for all three of her kids and her husband, and she was really worried about everybody around. Found her and the sucks. Yeah. Like it was awful and like the stress made her physically sick and she even ended up in the hospital at one point because she was really struggling with depression from just worrying so much. Little John said, mom was the most forgiving person I had ever known but her repeated and unconditional forgiveness
allowed those. She loved the most to hurt her. The deepest mom, gave her whole heart and soul to her family. And in some way, she enabled them in their addiction and the family is Increasingly concerned about Johnny, who is just seriously like barely functioning, and they're worried that he'll die if he doesn't get help. So June stages, an intervention for him and says that she will leave him if he doesn't get clean.
And so he goes to rehab in California and he does get clean and he stays that way for a few years, then he begins using drugs again. No, and his son Little John goes to that seem rehab to get clean as well. Damn, Man. Yeah that's upsetting. Mmm. Yeah it was really like a rough time and then in the 90s little John says in his book that he began to notice unfortunately that his mom started to use drugs to June, she had been so strong for so long and was really looking out for everybody.
But now at this point, she's like in her 60s and she's starting to have more chronic pain. She's prescribed narcotics. So she begins taking those to cope with her pain, but then she starts taking them to cope with the mental pain. To, I know, it's really tough, but he says earlier in the book that like he remembers like in those early years of his life, like being on the road, they would have a pill for everything. Like if you have headache, here's a pill here.
If you have allergies like his mom, I had this like pill book and like, it wasn't like an addiction thing. But he's like, I feel like her drug addiction came from that like mindset, which like was passed down from I'm her mom that like there's a pill for everything so when she was older, she started taking pills for pain. She just started taking them for emotional. Okay? Nana Sadness he says for so long mom had obsessed over the addiction of her husband, her
daughters and her son. Next, she moved into tonight to denial then came the time I believe when she had simply had enough when the struggle with addicts in her life, overcame her strength and resolve with no better way of describing it. I think the cumulative mental physical and emotional pain. Combined, in such a way that drug youths eventually seemed okay to her. Wow. And so, like, that was kind of her like, Giving in like she
stopped like really fighting. John's drug addiction Johnny's, a drug addiction and like just kind of gave up in a way which is sad understandable though. Hmm. Which is why I feel like their marriage was a little bit easier in the end because like that wasn't as much of a conflict because they both were no using. Little John said, I know he loved my mom. Oh, so Little John.
Staged an intervention for tune with the help of her closest friends, but she actually, she was in too much Niall and she refused help. She was like, I can quit anytime I want and like, I guess she did for a little bit, but she kept using drugs until her death. And she was just a lot more emotionally absent and faded. And it was just sad. I mean, that's kind of the way it often is for people towards
the end of their life. Sometimes, especially as they get older, like he just wasn't really the same. Yeah, she had been before yeah even even if you're not on drugs, I feel like that just kind of happens sometimes because of illness or yeah, I mean yeah a lot of people are on some kind of drug because they do have illnesses. Yeah. Like she would just wasn't him. She wasn't a quick anymore. The way she had once been yeah he said I know so little John didn't invite his father.
Johnny to the intervention for his mom and he said, I knew he loved my mom more than anything. Thing in the world, he cherished her and she him, they were business partners and lovers and encouragers in the past, when Mom was weak, the other had been strong, but sadly as the years passed, they became each other's Alibi for addiction. So yeah. He didn't include Johnny and the intervention, but it was kind of fruitless like, nothing really came of it.
You never really got help. Sadly, I feel like I got it. Like, she didn't really see herself the same way that she saw a like, her kids and her husband. It's pretty simple sad. You know like she had been taking care of them for so long. I feel like she just didn't really think that she could succumb to like the same
problems. Yeah. Beate very common thing to. I feel like for older people like get prescribed, these really strong medications for like arthritis and everything and become addicted. But in the late 90s, 1997 Johnny had been diagnosed with something called shy-drager syndrome, which is a neurodegenerative disease that causes atrophy and he was starting to be wheelchair-bound. Bound and he was also struggling a lot with type 2 diabetes and he was losing his eyesight.
So he gave up performing and touring all together. But during this time, Juna spent more time in the recording studio with her son, John as well as Johnny as well and a few other collaborators and she worked on her second album which I didn't know. She only had three albums, one came out after her death like three solo albums. This is her this album was called press on.
I think it was later now. Needed for a Grammy and want a Grammy but it's really sweet and includes this duet between her and Johnny, which this is, you know, later in their life, Johnny sings, I believe my steps are grown weary, your each day still, I've got another Journey on my mind. There is of this old world that sees to make me want to stay in. My one, regret is leaving you behind, then she sings. But if it proves to be his will that I am first to go and
somehow I'm a feeling, it will. Be when it comes to your time to travel likewise don't feel lost. Or I will be the first one that you'll see. Oh my God, they sing together. And I'll be waiting on the far side banks of Jordan, and I'll be sitting drawing pictures on the sand, and when I see you coming, I will rise up with the shout and come running through the shallow Waters, reaching for your hand.
That is beautiful. Really sweet and in 1999, June toward that album, she did about 15 shows that was her last time, really performing and touring her and Johnny were becoming a lot weaker. They both just had a lot of health problems as people sent, you know, do at that age, they were in their 70s. Now little John says that they were both in and out of the hospital at all times. Both taking care of each other. When mom was sick, the other one was healthy. And while one was weak, the
other one was strong. They were always just like bringing each other like, to the hospital. They have their own sweet. They're actually at the top of the hospital and in June 2002, they were able to have this big family gathering together for a week. However, things still weren't really great in the family. At this point. June was very strained from her daughter estranged from her daughter, Carlene who still struggling with drugs, And her daughter Rosie and Rose.
You is a deeply struggling like she had a lot of like anger issues to like lash out a lot. She's sad and his book. Little John says I keep calling him Little John because I think it's really confusing. I don't even think Golem that he says that his parents were more in love, during this time than they ever had been before. He said, although their love never died during the decades together. There had been many times when they had nearly given up on
their marriage now. However, their relationship was as unbreakable as hardened steel, the fires that they had been through. Strengthened them it to the point that they were true. As one as much a single being as any to can be most of all. And those last few months together, they were the greatest of friends, they did sleep in separate bedrooms but because June preferred to watch TV and Johnny preferred to sleep without TV. So, they spent pretty much every waking hour together.
The only time that they were a part was when they went to sleep. I don't think Really means anything. I mean, I don't think so either. I'm a wicked light sleeper, and I've always said that if I married someone that snort, I would have a different bedroom. I think it's like, healthy. Yeah, little distractions. I can really interfere with your sleep. And, yeah, it's a big one, if one person. So just like to keep the TV on all night.
Yeah, that would drive me crazy. Yeah, I mean, my parents definitely have like sleep issues as well. Like my dad goes to bed. Super super early like 9:00 at night. Night. But my mom likes to stay up and just like, watch the news until like midnight. So yes, often an issue for them. Yeah. Or like be on her phone late at night, isn't like that and I feel like my dad stays up leader way later than my mom. Mmm. Yeah. And they also have health
problems. So like they would get up to the bathroom, a lot at night and like that would just, you know, wake the other one up. So, but Jim was still in the Threw a lot at this time. Recording. What would be her? Third album, but Johnny wasn't. He was in the recording studio to like you. We often help her with her album, or like vice versa. They did a lot of like recording like a lot of their recordings.
At this time, I think were re-recording old songs or songs from like other people and they just, they had their own. They didn't like this cabin and they had this, like, recording studio in the cabin, but her doctors became really concerned with With her heart, she was having heart failure. Little John said, in his book that she was like eating like a really high fat diet. And actually we had like 200 pounds really the end of her life.
I don't like then I saw pictures of her eyes like she doesn't look like she is but like I guess if she was like not really taking care of herself. Yeah she had heart problems and so they recommended that she have this surgery to replace a valve in her heart in the surgery went well but Unfortunately she then went into cardiac arrest and she needed CPR for about 15 minutes and then she was put on life support for about a day or two and Johnny was beside himself.
He he like really believe that she would wake up like she would blink or something and he's like no she's waking up but like that was just like involuntary movement and according to Littlejohn he leaned over her in the hospital bed. Ed and he started crying. He said, baby, baby June, I love you, you're going to be fine. I love you baby. That's so cute and no runs me of Edward. Breaking dawn know, it's sad, though, it's really sad.
That's bad for me like to farad to bring down, but that's what it was. Yeah, there was little John says, there's such a sadness on Dad's face such desperation in his eyes as he begged her. Need to come back to him. It was the hardest thing he had experienced. Since his brothers jacked up Jack's death in 1944, he rocked gently back and forth talking to her in fervent tones. However, the doctors declared that she was brain dead and recommended that, they take her off of life support both.
So crazy is after they took her off, life support. She continued to live for four days. Wow. So, they were just like at the hospital for four days straight, like waiting for her final. Moments and like, just like my goodness each day kept passing, but then she finally passed on May 15 2003 at age 73 and John Johnny insisted that they have a big public funeral for her and I guess she loved flowers so much that in the obituary they wrote in lieu, of donations, sunflowers, kind of funny.
And yeah, he was beside himself Johnny, but Just a few days later, he went back into the recording studio to really not distract him. But like to cope like you said that this was like music was the only way that he could process the loss of her death and he gave an interview about 3 months later. All right, for more than 30 years, what's the secret to that?
How do people stay together? We were together 40 years, we worked on the road together since 1963 and we got married in 68 and the suited for a happy marriage separate bathrooms. That's it, I think so. When Jim passed on, did she have any advice for you to keep going? Keep making music? Isaac. Oh, she always said that she, she was my great encourager. She was my biggest critic to none. If she didn't, like, stuff in the that I did, she told me
about it in a hot minute. I imagine it must be the to be married so long and to lose someone it, cemented people would sometimes just want to stop and say the spouses sometimes just follow each other but you're still going ready to go. Where do we where do you get the? The energy machine told me in the hospital. So go to work. I said, what are you talking about? She said, don't worry about me, go to work. And at the funeral I could almost hear.
Send go to work three days after the funeral. Everybody said you're crazy but three days after the funeral, I was in the studio really well and our students, do you know, for two weeks and it was great therapy for me and I think I accomplished more than that couple of weeks than Most of the other year combined. Wow. Oh, that's cute total work. Yeah, it's kind of sad though that the inner. I don't know the guys name. I should know. But like he was like, you know?
Spouses usually follow each other? Yeah. But I could tell he felt awkward about that and Johnny was distraught though like that was a good escape to him but he was really growing weaker and weaker. For of when they get married like that 1960-something now over 30 years. Mmm, so he got was just really sad. And then just four months later in September he was hospitalized due to complications from his diabetes and he died on September 12 2003 less than four months after June had died so he
did follow her. Her weave like yeah the fact that he died. So soon after is like one thing that like people really. Yeah you know like a tribute to them being soul mates. Is that because they died like really close together. That's supposedly a real thing and apparently happens more often with men. Yes die kind of a broken heart. Yeah I know to lose your spouse would really raise your stress levels and you know, wreck.
Body and if you already have health issues and kind of makes sense that you would literally die from it. Yeah. Especially since they're both taking care of each other. Yeah. Longer had her to lean on also I've heard that women have an easier not easier time but like they are not stronger. I don't know what's the word like they are better at coping after the loss of a husband. Then men are at that age. Yeah. When a man loses his wife, there
could be many reasons why. I mean, women in general live longer, Anyway, yeah, usually not in this case, but I feel like when my grandfather died, I never like I regret thinking like I never stopped to think like that so hard for my grandmother. Like, at the time, like it just seems like this is like a new normal. Not like now my grandmother is just like the grandparent that we have. Like I never thought like that must have been really hard, you know. Yeah. I mean.
For my, when did that happen 2006? Yeah, I was like, yeah, you know, I mean I think I was young when my grandparents lost their spouses so I probably didn't think about it much too. Yeah, this is really sad. It's devastating. Yeah II just figured him out. I still think it's a great love story.
I know there was like a lot of Drugs and there was infidelity and stuff, but the fact that they stuck together and came through it all and we're still super in love in the last years of their life and we're still each other's best friends. I mean that's a true beautiful. Yeah I mean he could have been just like out both of them could just been floating from one person to the next like blah blah blah. Yeah that they they stuck together and That's nice. And I think that matters. Yeah.
I think so too. No, I think things like that's the thing like they genuinely really loved each other. I think I think like I was getting struggling with is like it's just sad that like that love wasn't like as consistent or like it just as much as they love each other. They couldn't really be happy for as long as they were together, you know, like for so much of that.
It was like turmoil. Yeah. And it's really sweet that they had in each other in the end and like that, that endured and and they had a friendship but you know, like I I feel like if you were Like one of June's friends or something. You'd like leave the sky. Like this is, you know, awful. So, like she had to be very, very forgiving, mhm. And not a lot of people could be, I know, it's, I think it's beautiful. Like, it's a really, I think it's a beautiful love story that
like, they hate each other. But I think, I mean, I think that's a reality for like love though. Is that like it does often have sacrifices? And like, like not perfect. Like you're gonna have to be perfect. Yeah, you can't. I mean, I think it is really hard. I think all of couples fight when they're married and probably, everybody thinks at least once about ending it and
think it's really hard. Yeah. And I also think that something like drug addiction or depression or whatever was the root issue of all that. Yeah, exactly really expect that I love is going to be so amazing that it Cures that for you? Yeah, no. Yeah, that's true. It is sad that she had to go through all of that. I think. Like, for me, it's like, what would be really hard?
Is like the infidelity? Yeah. Like because I feel like that would I would think that maybe that would be a deal breaker, but at the same time like I feel like the infidelity was a symptom of his drug addiction which was a symptom of his depression. So it's like she really saw him like for who he was and like just accepted him. I mean she knew from the very beginning, he was a cheater. Yeah, exactly. He's cheating on his wife of her.
Yeah, exactly. But it's like, but it's so interesting because like just the fact that he cheated on June, like I don't think he was it like loved her, any less. Yeah. But it's like hard to it's like so much more nuanced and like someone keeps their bad, you know. I know I mean I don't know what happened between them, maybe he was deeply. Sorry, and professed his love for her and I don't know. We don't know what happened. I do believe that people can
change. I hope they can change and it is disappointing. I hate eating, but yeah, he's cheating. I wouldn't do that. No, it's terrible but I don't know. We don't know what happened? No, no, I really don't know the specifics of like his infidelity. I think what's just sad, too. Is like the healthiest years in the relationship. We're probably the years when they were like least healthy and like their physical bodies.
Like, I mean, I think they were still both like, doing drugs like at the very end, but in a medicinal way where they were like, both just like very sick and so like, obviously he wasn't like cheating on her and going out and like doing all these crazy wild things at that point in their life. So like that's really when they were like closes when they were both like elderly and like at home and just like what happened 7 years. Of Little John's.
Oh yeah that's right. Oh yeah I first got married and that's true. Yeah. They did. You cheating during that know he was faithful. So they did have that kind to together. Yeah. If you just it was like, made me sad, like they didn't really get to experience like that much time together that like wasn't plagued by that. But it's sweet how like enduring their love was and that is sweet. The last thing I really have is in 2011, John Carter.
Cash published love letters that Johnny had written to June during their marriage and this is a really sweet one from 1994. Johnny wrote it to June for her birthday. He says happy birthday. Princess we got old and get used to each other. We think alike, we read each other's minds. We know that what the other wants without asking. Sometimes we irritate each other
a little bit. Maybe sometimes take each other for granted, but once in a while like today, I meditate on it and realize how lucky See, I am to share life with the greatest woman. I ever met, you still fascinate. Me and inspire me, you influence me for the better. You're the object of my desire. The number one, Earthly reason for my existence. I love you very much. Happy birthday princess. Yeah. It's really sweet. That is he says, Hey June.
This is Hey June. Hey June, this is really nice June. You've got a way with words and I away with them as well. This fire and excitement may be gone. Now that we don't go out there and sing them anymore but the ring of fire still Burns around you and keep Keeping your love hotter than a pepper Sprout. Love Jonica. I'm having trouble reading his handwriting but I think that's what it says. Another one June Valentine's is fine but you being mine is more fine. Thanks, John, February 14th,
1987 that's cute. Mmm. It does remind me of the John Lennon Yoko one that you know, John Lennon did cheat on Yoko and it was a lot of fucked-up stuff, but then it doesn't like they still love each other. More than anyone and we're together in their last days. And yeah they like I have no doubt that these two like really
loved each other. It's just it's just sad because it's like is it possible to have a love story where Dot Like, you don't have to like go through like that kind of hell that they went through together because I feel like a lot. I mean, I don't I don't think everyone goes through that kind of like drug addiction. But I do think all relationships probably do have hard times. Yeah, I do. I mean that's what everybody says. Yeah marriage that's treatment is.
What's more important to you? Do you want to save someone? Ever or in tough through it or do you want to break up? You know, that this isn't people off to make. Yeah, really sad thing to is a month after Johnny passed away. Actually June's daughter Rosie, her middle daughter or middle child had passed away from an accidental carbon monoxide poisoning, what do you think her? And her boyfriend were like in a bus but and it's crazy. See ya and they had died from like the exhaustion of bus.
Yeah. I like it was a school bus that like what they were in other people on it? No, it's there. Just the two of them. She was like, found dead. Just like Chad. So the three of them were all buried together in a garden and Hendersonville and see. Yeah yeah that is that is I don't know in a weird way. Very sweet to me that they died, not the daughter but that Johnny and June died.
So close together. Yeah, I know, they really to have to be a part for that long, but yeah, that's the story of Johnny and June. Wow, thank you Mel for telling your stories way. I can't believe it was like that gonna turn our, and okay, it's pretty, nor some bad things to cut out. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I probably will be less odds if they get back together. I think the heaven 100% together and have them. Yeah. And oh my gosh. That interview that was like his last interview.
He literally said my time on Earth is ending. Yeah. Like knew he was gonna die and he said that that he just hopes that he goes to heaven and yeah, they were really big. Yeah. Believers and Faith Like that's something that they really shared together which I didn't even realize how big that was to them but so I hope they are in heaven together. Yeah, I guess you didn't go on that like another wife. I'm sure that. No, that would be tough. So that didn't happen this time. Yeah.
Well should we queue up tears next week? Oh yeah. Next week's. If you guys guess it let us know relationship. What is next week couple, it's about a famous. Guy. And his name is Guy, famous guy, and probably has no, as being smart, like it's someone who like what those professions scientific scientist who's like a genius scientist. Okay. Like that's obvious musically his love life. Little bit incest in there. What? Incest? I don't even know what you just said. Should we cut that?
What do you say, incised with some incest? In their cousin cousin? It's about a smart scientist that you guys know in history and it's about his love life, his marriage. And yeah, people like don't talk about this guy like he people talking about in this way. And this way people talk about him as, you know, being smart and theories, they don't talk about him, just Kind of being a little fuck-boy. So wow. Wow, it could be several. People could be many people.
Yeah, because one obvious guy every week, we do a little question on our Instagram asking people to guess what the next couple is. Yeah, and if you guys have an inkling, you think, you know who this is, go, guess it? We usually ask every Monday night. Yeah. Your Monday during the day at some point I have to make the one for this one is. Yeah. I don't know if anyone's gonna get it. Done it. Oh well, this isn't the future. So I was like it's for the Zoe and Benoit. Yeah.
I'm always impressed by people who do get it. I know. All right and Eminem won. Everybody got that shocked. I couldn't believe it and then nobody. I feel like only one person guest who was before that At Mila and Ashton. Oh, yeah. I was so small tires and guess that one isn't that weird? Yeah. Wow. Sometimes they are kind of hard. They are tricky. Yeah I love I love the guessing.
Hmm, I wish that we could give people prizes for guessing hers but guys um maybe if this podcast becomes bigger, we can give out prizes, maybe we can register. What do you think about it? We can't do that now. But yeah right if you like this podcast tell your cousin or whoever That you like the podcast. Thanks for listening.