15. When Marilyn Monroe Met Joe DiMaggio

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Yes. Yes, this is our furthest back of a said so far, is it? Yeah, as I was just telling you, Joe DiMaggio was born 19, 14, screws back. We've gone. I do want to go really far back as if you are down. Drums Odes 1700s. Yeah, let's go bareback hundred. Yeah. These see ya? I don't know, but I do, I'm really excited about this episode but it is Sounds like someone's like a leaf blowing outside. Oh, We're in New York City that's where some of this story takes place. I go.

Okay, so these are the sounds in the cities on City. We hope it gives a nice ambience in the background. This I think, Is very interesting story but it does get kind of dark later. Say, I mean, we're going to talk a little bit about Marilyn Monroe and her death. Not a ton about it, but Joe is kind of there in the picture around that time. So, okay, I truly know nothing about this. So I think I'm going to be learning a lot along with you guys.

I didn't know anything either really and I'm glad I Did this episode because I've always seen Marilyn, whole life. Everyone has, yeah, I've seen her in 50s diners, like in posters. And in my parents house, we even have a doll of Marilyn Monroe in that white dress. Yeah. You standing over the great, which is from The Seven Year, Itch. Apparently, but yeah, I mean, I don't know anything about her. Like nothing and not Joe DiMaggio, either.

I only knew I knew he was a baseball player and I knew him from the side. And Garfunkel Song, mrs. Robinson, but that's how I has come to learn a lot about them. And it's very fascinating. Actually. This this is like stuck with me. I've been thinking a lot about them. Yeah, I know wanting me I love I mean sometimes older couples like not that I've covered ones, it's old but like wasn't like are not from like the 2000s and Beyond.

Yeah. They take a lot more to prepare because you're like you have to get books for them and like there's actually so much that's out there that it's hard to like pick what you're going to talk about. And so it's easy for it to Zoomer life. It has consumed my life. Mmm. And I made a playlist about them. Yeah, doing. And not to do my own horn.

Is really good. It like, really brings you into it. Like, the first track is right, he's gonna be Private, Pyle, if we do this, I don't even know if we're gonna share these or what. But well, I guess maybe we can make it public for the public ones in private for the private one ideas. It's the first track is like his retirement. Page, which is on, is out there as a track for some reason, retirement from the Yankees and it's only like 50 seconds but it's him talking.

And then there's this song that's like joltin Joe DiMaggio. Like from back then like from the 50s then Alana song, this is so on. I guys, then a song by Marilyn Monroe, Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend, she sings that and then there's some others. But it just that must really get you in the mood. Like it's an immersive experience but it is kind of it is tragic. Mmm, so heís but there's low. So would you say the tragic is one of the three words that you would use to describe this

couple? Would I would? That is one of my words I would say. What about the other two words I would say. Possessive don't know, I know And then I would say, enduring, okay, mmm-hmm. So the only thing I knew about this couple before doing this was the story about. So Maryland, Joe were only married for nine months and then she had another husband after him.

Arthur Miller, the writer, but I had heard and like, read an article before that after she died, Joe sent flowers to her grave every week for like the rest of his life. Or whatever. And I'd heard that story and I was like, wow, that's so touching. Is it true? It is true - it wasn't the rest of his life is 20 years but okay, so he lived a lot longer than her that he did. Yeah. And he did send who's six roses three times a week for 20 years to her grave after she died. What that's it?

Why? I know It was a lot then they must been piling up out there. I don't know, I don't know if like the cemetery was clearing them out or I don't know how they were managing that or maybe fans were taking them or something. Yeah, oh well that's nice of him it is. Did he remarry after? He never did oh, but the thing is, they had a really nice dating period but they did not have a good marriage. It's like that's happened, very bad but they were good friends.

Afterwards. So I was, they were good axes, there's an exodus but girlfriend girlfriend, bad husband wave. Yes. So I guess I'll get into it. So who are they? Are they who are they? So I used this book for this episode called why use other sources to, but called Joe and Marilyn. A memory of Love by, Roger, Khan was Kate Ahn try out. My dad has this book 20 So you spent money? I know doing but I brought it home and he's like, you're reading Joe and Marilyn. I have that book.

I know and it was a really interesting book like it really immerses you in the time, I liked how the writer talked a lot about like, what else was going on in the world at the same time but it didn't get into them as a couple until the last chapter of my God, the last chapter. So the whole book is like backstory. But who they are then individual chapter. Oh my God. Both Joe and Marilyn came from nothing. Wow!

Nothing nothing at all. Let's look, Honestly though the opposite of almost every other person. We came around this podcast. They were both very poor brushing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing enough. Yeah, I say, who Joe is, by the way, the baseball player. Yeah, baseball player. Yeah, for the Yankees, which is tough because we're Red Sox fan. Yep. So it's tough to be talking about supposedly one of the best ball players of all time and he's from the Yankees Yankees talk.

But Joe, as I said, he was born in 1914. November 25th 1914, to Sicilian immigrants, in San Francisco. He grew up in San Fran. Go and his parents didn't speak English. Only Italian, they couldn't, I don't know if they could read or they couldn't read a lot. I don't know. His dad was a fisherman and Joe himself dropped out of high school like pretty early. Oh wow, donut, I school and he had eight siblings. Oh my God, he is the second youngest of nine kids and they

all lived in a small house. All the girls were in one room. All the boys are in another and when they're older some of the kids like slept on the couch And in the dining room and stuff, they were all just like cram so hectic, I know. So, how did he become a pro baseball player? The crazy thing is, which I didn't know either, and I know my parents will be like rolling her eyes at me, but that him and two of his brothers. Vince and Dom also became Major

League center fielders. So three of them, wow, in the Major League Dominic, DiMaggio played for the Red Sox. And Vince, his brother was on a Teams were like mostly the Pittsburgh Pirates. Oh wow. Did they play at the same time? They did. So they played against each other. Wait, that's crazy. You know, I didn't know that apparently they had like songs about it. Like the Red Sox had a song about how Dom's better and I'm damn sure that Joe was like, the most successful one, right?

He will. Ya. I think, if I'm understanding correctly, feel like Dom, the one on the Red Sox was second best and then Vince Third. Best fathers in Ganky and a Red Sox. Yeah, my family. Crazy. And the crazy thing is, this was before little existed there. Yeah. Thing like that, they literally played on like a paved alley and use like a broken paddle for a bad list, a solo back then like the ballplayers back then probably weren't even that good crazy.

But like so as though it's weird because like I feel like now like The Scouting process, Essex, so serious. This is what happens. So after he dropped out, he was working in an orange juice factory was still playing baseball with the kids in the neighborhood. He lived in like an Italian neighborhood North Beach and apparently there's a Sandlot Scout so I guess someone that just went around wow watching people play in sandlots and saw Joe playing really well and had him.

Try it out and he got on the minor league team that San Francisco. Seals mmm played extremely well in the seals. He broke the record for most consecutive hits and he gained a following like the whole neighborhood to go see him play and is really successful on the minor league team and I guess over two different back then. Because today minor league, baseball teams are kind of connected to the major league team where they like, for

instance, the woo socks. Mmm. What they would want to be on the Red Sox, right? Yeah, I think so. But back then it was like separate. So the Yankees had to like buy him basically off the minor league team to be on the major league. Oh wow. So they like offered him a contract and he was signed to Yankees in 1936 same team as Lou Gehrig, who is also like one of the best players of all time, I guess. And he played 13 Seasons with the Yankees.

They won ten of those 13. They won the American League pennant and they 19 World Series with Joe. Oh my God, that's actually kind of crazy. I know, that's pretty impressive. He's really Lucy was really good. It's like he didn't have the kind of training that leg.

That's why people say to. Yeah, I would say he was a natural player because like literally like what I think about people in my high school who like, wanted to join the MLB but like didn't even make it. It's like, they had been training since they were like four years old.

Literally, some people stayed back just like better their chances of like being pro baseball players and like couldn't even make it. I'm sure they would have made it by Standards back then he but I mean, he's still considered one of the best ball players of all time. I think he's, I don't know, I think being on like SP and he's like consider 15 really but we still be good playing against modern players, I guess, I don't know. I mean, what change would you say just everyone just as

standards? Like I feel like the people are faster the velocity of their hits are stronger. I don't know. I think the records have changed. He was really good hitter. That was like his thing. He had a 56-game hitting streak. The most enduring record in sports. Wow, he was on he played center field to I wrote he was the Tom Brady of baseball All yes, up there with Babe Ruth and Ted Williams and he had some nicknames joltin Joe, and the Yankee Clipper. Hmm, so I'll get some Maryland

soon. But when I was reading this book and other articles I've read about him, he came off really cheap especially in his early years. He cared a lot about making money, maybe. Because he grew up really poor. Yeah, makes sense like his main motivator and he was always fighting the He's about his contractors like huge drama about it, there's like chapters

and chapters about this. He wanted to make 40,000 dollars, but he was he was really good like he's winning because those areas for them, basically he wanted to make 40,000 dollars. But this was the 30s, this is Great Depression and a lot of people apparently, the average American was living on like two thousand dollars a year. Wow. So that's yeah. But then I read that Babe Ruth made 100,000 in the 20s. Oh sounds like oh I guess. R t.

Isn't that much? WoW, today, so I'm not sure like you guys can plug it in your inflation calculator. Figure it out. I did some inflation calculating later on in the story but he did move his family into a nice house and he financed his dad, his dad, got a restaurant. Basically, some those nice. I mean he has so many siblings that he had probably is like looking out for it to be true, but he did come off a bit sheep and obsessed with money.

He's Numbered. As at all serious, quiet, somewhat aloof withdrawn and stoic men. Sorry, there's a lot of adjectives. Oh, I love us. The man who smoked a lot and drink. A lot of coffee up to 10 a day, which made me feel better because I'm a coffee addict and attends a lot. There were a lot of mentions of him drinking coffee and later in life, he actually was a spokesperson into commercials for mr.

Coffee but Sir, Hugh and the picture on the Yankees Eddie lopat said, Joe was the Loneliest man I ever knew which is like why am I once again doing an episode about someone described is the only person someone's ever known. I'm Prince Charles, I don't know. Yeah. And one of his friends complained, if I'm standing in a corner saying nothing the broads. Think it's because I've got nothing to say. If Joe DiMaggio standing in a corner saying nothing, this is their language.

In fact, that not me the broads, think he figured, he must be thinking, Deep Thoughts The Bride. There's a lot of I believe that you should do in north islands again. I really want to have a Norfolk. We wasn't called Transatlantic accent. Yeah, but I can't do it. I need to study how to do it. The broad that the broad abroad to study, how to do that. And there's a whole part in the book about how when he was playing for the Yankees and he was had this hitting streak.

You know, it was a great depression and then it was World War 2 starting and he really was a distraction for people during World War Two. These ball was just huge at this point as the war was starting, and I think that's why he's mentioned in mrs. Robinson when it says, like Alex, where have you gone? Joe DiMaggio, our nation turns. Its lonely eyes to you. What's that? You say mrs. Robinson joltin Joe has left and

gone away. I was kind of sad so people are dependent on him for Unity. It's in distraction because he Joe has been asked about that song and he's been like on. I don't know why they mentioned me, I don't know what that song means. I think he would How old was he when he died? Wow. So we're alive at the same time. So yeah, we were. But so there was this other book written about him that I didn't need. Sorry, I don't have time, but like I read reviews about it called.

Well, there was a couple of this might have been, like dinner with DiMaggio. I can't remember what this was, but it was written by someone named. Richard bent Kramer. I read a review of it by Joseph Epstein, and he said, of It creamer proposes to show us the less than elegant side not to put too fine. A point on it DiMaggio. The book makes Joe out to be a drip, a jerk, a boar and a creep with nothing good to be said about him off of baseball. The baseball field.

Yeah. If he was not the Deep Creek presented by Kramer neither will it do to make him out to be just a dumb jock, use more complicated than that. I don't know. We'll get into it before, Marilyn. He was married actually, he was married to a woman named Dorothy Olsen who is also an actress. But in like small roles on these two, she wasn't that famous besides being with him. And her acting name was Dorothy Arnold. They were married from 1939 to 1944 and they had a son together.

Joe jr. But Joe apparently wasn't very present with Dorothy. He's super busy with baseball just An attentive and was kind of cold towards her. At least that's what she said and they were sore often on. They kept like breaking up and almost divorcing, then getting back together and then whatever. But they divorced she remarried and apparently, he continued to love her even after the divorce.

Good science. Yeah. But then he met Marilyn so about Marilyn Monroe, who is she Norma Jean, I can't believe I'm saying this. She's just such a Icon. You know, it's just, it's cool to get to know her. So, these are some adjectives that I saw written about her. Sweet tender tough intelligent chronically late, most of messy and even shy kind of like a lot of contradictory in animals, but that's she teacher of people.

I know people here are that way. Hmm, they contradict themselves and she had a really rough upbringing. We got it. Yeah she was born. June 1st as Norma Jean Baker. As he said in Los Angeles. Her mother had had a son before but he died in childhood. She never knew her father really? Yeah, just do people know who the father is. I'm not sure, no, maybe I didn't see it, but maybe just never knew. I don't think she had a

relationship with him. Her mother and grandmother, both struggle with mental health, and her mom, Gladys couldn't really take care of her. So, she put Marilyn Norma Jean then, but put her in a foster home when she was only 11 days old, really know, and her mom checked herself into like a mental facility and Marilyn lived. Like her whole childhood in foster homes. And then she was in an orphanage. What I did, I don't know. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Meant she was back in a home.

I know. And apparently was really hard for her to talk about those years so she didn't really talk about. It was so sad and she was married before Joe to she married someone from her high school gym. Dougherty Hunters. Only 16 years old. Wow no I guess she She kind of just wanted to get out of home. She didn't really have anywhere to go. That's understandable.

Yeah. And he was handsome and like a couple years older and I don't think they got along so well or I'm not really sure what the dynamic is. I feel like there's not a ton of information about this, but they did get divorced in 1946. I think they're fighting and it's just not good Mac. Yeah, so when she was on her own she started modeling and she was really successful at it one month, she's on the cover of five magazines. Beans. She posed for a calendar artist.

I think they were nude paintings, or whatever and photographs, I don't know what they were like and he paid her five dollars an hour which I actually thought seems like a lot for the time because I had a job at Macy's in New Hampshire in like 2014 that paid like 775. Wow. So I'm like okay, it's like the 40s, five an hour. No, probably is a lot. Wow. What was the average person? We can wiggle was a minimum wage like a quarter. Probably probably.

If the average salary was like, 2,000, a year, she was trying to get an agent to trying to get into acting to do auditions for some reason. The book kept calling them interviews. So I don't know if it was like a different process back then or something, but she had a lot of interviews. She met a casting director at 20th Century Fox. He's very taken with her but he said, she had to change her name and I guess Monroe was her

mother's maiden name? And she said that the first time she signed an autograph to go, really slow because she wasn't sure. How to spell Marilyn. Oh, you know, it's not as sweet. She said, she didn't know where the wire that I went. She was fired from Fox supposedly for not sleeping with the studio president. Are you serious? Yeah. That's something that would happen back then and it's so stupid. She lost her contract because you got a contract with Columbia and she lost that for the same

reason. What's that crazy? I know I fucked up world, I know and it's crazy that it's like a hundred years later. Well, not quite a guy. It's not honey, but it's a long time later and we still have issues like this, ya know, it's crazy. They just hold her like, oh, you're fired. Because I guess so cheese. But she did get a small role in a movie called love happy. And then another role in the asphalt jungle and I guess it caught people's attention

saying, who's that blond? She has brown hair right today. Dye hair. Yeah. Sorry. Bleaching your hair. So after that fox re-signed her contract for 500 a week and she was 24 at the time, so back. Then, they did it kind of more like how music contracts work today where they would say, okay, you're doing like, seven movies with us. Yeah, it's not like that anymore for film industry, but yeah, like, Judy Garland was like MGM like, yeah. And she like work for the studio.

Yeah, so she was in a couple movies, a roller derby movie, The Fireball. Then as long as young as you feel and 1951 with a more complex, plot and Regional love triangle, movie called love nest in 1951. Then let's make it legal voxel. Enter to RKO for the movie Clash By Night. Weird, like, your property. I know which drew a lot of praise and she's in a bunch more movies before Joe. She had a lot of other lovers.

Well, if I just say a lot, but she had a handful and a lot of them are older men and sometimes married men. Hmm. That's her thing. I guess some of the stories about them were really tumultuous and crazy to like, well, she's with the actor.

John Carroll, a voice coach called Fred Karger and then this last one, this executive called Johnny Hyde, they just want a really dramatic relationship and then he actually died of a heart attack in Maryland was like You did and I think that really like fucked up her life after that and he actually started taking pills to help her sleep and that kind of became like a problem.

Yeah. What's he makes you already just had like no Foundation yeah from her early childhood which stays with people who ever what happens when you're that young if you're put into foster care at 11 days old. I know that's gonna be trauma that lasts a lifetime and nothing else in her childhood Helped either. So she really didn't have a chance but not to this is nothing to do with that but I don't know how her hair looked

so naturally why know she did. But that actually truly is like a bunch of that I just like, I don't know. It's like there's some like oh she trauma but her hair like yeah I guess she's really keeping up with the roots or somebody. It's yeah hard to like make that as a brunette. Like it's hard to keep up with that for so long, so that's one. Good thing. I mean, I think she was like, she had troubles, but I think she was happy with where her career was going.

I don't think her life was like a total misery at the yeah. So Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. Met in 1952. Where were you guys in 1915 and have been me? So I would say they had their first date March 8th 1952 at Villanova for the first public date. It's been suggested that they had met prior to this and we're dating privately but I don't know, maybe she'll really pervy saying this but some accounts say they slept together on the first date in the back of a car.

Well I mean and I Did Mary was into that, I don't know. And apparently he sent her flowers and next day and said, this is apparently, I don't know. He said, you know, this is the first time I've ever called up a girl, the morning after I laid her to see how she was eating it as a compliment and I think she took it as a compliment, you know, this is the first time it would be like his voice. Yeah, the book described it as an earthy.

Comment earthy. Okay, so he's kind of being like, you know, usually I'm a dick to ya girls, I sleep yet but how are you? You know, I forgot to mention, I think I skipped over it but the I feel like Joe before his first marriage to Dorothy. I feel like he was sleeping around and talks about him. He really loved this bar called toots Shore. Which apparently like Hemingway went to mmm, that kind of crowd and yeah. And he like Showgirls. Okay.

So he must have liked that Marilyn put out on the first. Ya do ya. But then there were some other stories and said that they didn't but there were more, that's what they did. So that's so funny that it's like even it was in the book historian. Yeah, I'd hope if someone put it In the book that it's so funny. Like, literally that's celebrity gossip know, it is literally celebrity gossip, but by the time people have become icons lived and died. Its history.

Now its history. So it's like any like, the stupid little stuff we're talking about for like, like Miley Cyrus and Nick Jonas or whatever a hundred years from now. That's like hmm your historian. That's true. Actually went to read something. The kind of relates to that about gossip. So, the author of this book, I guess he was friends with the

poet. Robert Frost, mmm, because this guy's pretty legit writer actually and there's a portion of the book where the author said he hung out with Robert Frost and frost asked him if he liked gossip and Roger, their author said. Yes. And frost said so do I? But most people have a hard time admitting it. Yeah. When Robert Frost Liked it you guys know Robert Frost two roads diverged in a yellow wood would like even he likes gossip and zoom like to gossip, I guess I should say.

Um I repeat rest in peace, Robert Frost. So back to Joe and Marilyn when they met Joe is actually already retired from the Yankees. He'd retired 1951 1952. So it's kind of like, if you imagine like, Tom Brady retiring and then getting with Kim Kardashian, Ashley. And here's what I've heard, people predicted that I literally saw Tick-Tock that was like, mark my words, Tom Brady, Kim Kardashian. Like I'm gonna go on a date next to her. I could see it.

I could teach you they're both fresh off a divorce. There's the biggest easy celebrities ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean he was huge be like at this point he wasn't really like Rising anymore. And so then to be with Marilyn, really like kept him. Mm. Yeah. Spotlight like raise my hand. I wonder if you liked that if he was a contracted to that that's the thing is like he will get into it. He didn't seem to like the

attention. I think he liked being with this beautiful woman and maybe he liked this, dad is really liked knowing that he was with the most beautiful woman in the world, but it seems like he didn't enjoy. He really hated the Press first of all, and I don't think he actually liked the spotlight, so yeah, I don't get it. It's one of those things where people like go for what they actually don't want. Yeah, we take junk, huh?

Mmm. So connects Maryland told her friends that Joe had the finest male body she'd ever seen and that Joe brought a great bat to the bedroom. Oh, little baseball pun there. Yeah but she also told her friend actually he's kind of shy just like me they saw their dating, they met each other. Friends and family. And they went fishing with Maryland's makeup, man. But, apparently, both of them had like more acquaintances than friends. Some don't know what?

Thought there was an interesting, sometimes, as a case for celebrities. Yeah. Yeah. You're everybody's friend. You're no one's around. She feels movie called River of No Return in Alberta, Canada, and Joe followed her there and the Press asked if he was visiting his girl and he said something like, yes, what? The hell's wrong with that? He wanted to give her a lot of advice to look out for phonies and not to tell reporters too much.

But when he's yeah, which I think at first, he appreciated, but I kind of get the sense that later on in their relationship. She was sick of that. So there's this video actually that was found in a camera of his. It's like a home video of Maryland. Wow, you made. And the first shot is like the two of them together like smiling at the camera and then it's shots of Maryland, playing golf golf with a friend and she's smiling is really cute and that I want to show you but the

audio is completely unrelated. It's like a radio interview, so maybe I'll keep it in. I don't know. It has nothing to do. But she's talking about like Favorite musicians view, it's the people, it's like streets, I guess the people in the streets and the atmosphere just like it. The real Scooby-Doo who are your favorite people? Well, my very favorite person and I love her as a person, as

well as a singer. I think she's the greatest and that's Ella Fitzgerald. We've already had people who is your favorite magazine. Well, frankly to say frankerz, however, he didn't used to be, it's the way he things. Now, I know when I was a kid and, you know, junior high school and high school and he was sort of Bobby Socks Idol. Even though I was in bobby socks, he was in my idol. It is until recently, I think his whole style and I don't

know. There's something has changed don't report that the sound that he makes out the big round. What can we use to style? It comes to sound like Sammy Davis to but Frank style. You can feel it, it's not a good swing, he does my don't know. Yeah. Her voice like because it's like a Radio thing, it's like she's such a fragile voice sounds so like dainty. And I wonder if that's her real voice. I feel like sometimes she talks a little bit differently. Hmm. But oh yeah.

And to prepare for this, I felt like I should watch a Marilyn Monroe movie because I've never seen one. So, I did watch one. I watched Some, Like It Hot and it was silly, but I did really enjoy it. Actually the last couple of times. Yeah, it is cute. I love to watch it old movie like every now and then I feel like it's I like how they're not super fast pace. Yeah. And so, like it, like slows you down. It's like comforting. Yeah, movies.

Now, like they just like, jump from seem to same way too quickly. It's true. Like, sit there for a second and let it breathe, you know? Yeah, it was funny. She was good. I mean, she did play kind of a ditsy person and I know from my research. Apparently, she was frustrated with that. She didn't, like, having all those dumb blond roles and she wanted to play more serious

roles. But she was, Very captivating on screen for dresses were really Scandal is actually, I was thinking during I was like, this would be a scandal is even today really? Yeah I should watch it. It had beads kind of just over her chest was on her Pleasant and present know what it was. It kind of looked like she didn't have anything on in a way but we really have to beat oh wow this home so dumb but Like to say it growing up, I didn't even know that she was like, a movie star.

Yeah, I don't know what I thought she was. Yeah. But I didn't know that. She was like, actually an actress. Yeah, she was. I know. I feel like she just became like an icon. Yeah, person that you've seen diners and movie theaters and some, but like, I didn't even know, like I know this now and I've known it for a while but like that, that iconic, white dress, that she wears in The Seven Year Itch, I just thought it was like a dress that He likely where yeah, you know, I

didn't know that. That was like from a movie. Yeah. And like that her hair that that was not like a hairstyle. She always had. It's cool to learn more about these people in 1953. She was in this movie called Niagara. That was a big break for her as like a serious movie. And then she was in Gentlemen, Prefer Blondes, which has the song Diamonds? Are a Girl's Best Friend, And which I had heard before her most of her movies musicals. I haven't seen them obviously all of them.

She did sing in Some Like It Hot actually. So I don't know. I don't think they all were, but it seems like she did singing a lot of them.

As I said, she wanted to be in more serious roles at this point, her life, she's starting to read like a lot of books and poetry, and she wanted to be in more complex characters, Joe suggested marriage to Marilyn, but she was kind of afraid of Of another marriage, she said, no, but they spent time apart and she missed him so they got back together and planned A Wedding Date. Okay.

There was a whole thing about Joe wanted to get married in the church, but they said, no, because he'd gotten divorced or something. Yeah, and the Archbishop in San Francisco was like, he hasn't been to church lately anyway, so they didn't have Is waiting. Um, I was listening to this podcast about her. I was like so obsessed recently. Like, I didn't understand why I didn't want to even listen to anything that wasn't like related to Marilyn Monroe.

I don't know why. So I listen to like a couple other podcasts about her. Yeah, but then you're like, method podcast. And they were saying something about how she they weren't about her and Joe though. So I'm not like just ripping them off. But they said something about how she Had agreed to marry him because she felt bad for him. And I don't know where they got that from. And I hope that's not why she married him. No, it sounds like she said.

No because she was scared but then obviously he was upset about that so they're not going to keep dating. Yeah. But then she missed him as a partner and as a boyfriend and as a lover so she said yes just to keep him in her life, right? I hope so. I mean that's what I would assume so they married on January 14th, 1954 at San Francisco City Hall. If you live in San Francisco, maybe go walk by it and think

about that. Um, when they were pronounced man and wife, he took her into his arms and kissed her and the photographers and newsreel men as they called them asked him to do it again. So he did it again and then again and then another one. So just like kept kissing her over and over does In case? Yeah, he took Marilyn in his arms and hurried down a corridor and the reporters and photographers started chasing them, but it was a dead end.

So they were trapped with the Pressed swarming them and they like struggles, words, adore, and they got out and they just skipped their wedding reception entirely, my God, sounds like a cartoon is crazy. So they drove down from San Frisco to Paso. Robles, we, what were they even doing in San Francisco? Oh, he's from there. Oh yeah. You're that's it live in New York, but he also lived in San Francisco.

So they drove down to Paso Robles and they stayed at the Clifton Hotel. It checked in at 8 p.m. and apparently didn't leave until 1 p.m. the following day. Yeah, people know that. And apparently, yes, they asked for a double bed and Joe asked for a room with a TV. Wow, people are so nosy, they know those, the hotel apparently put up a sign that was like, Joan. Maryland, stayed here. People joked about like, why would you ask for a TV on his honeymoon with Marilyn, Monroe.

And later on in their marriage. Maryland actually did complain. That he watched too much TV, really? Yeah, she's staying, I mean, I wouldn't want to TV is going to take a shower. I'm guessing. It's some point, like pop on the news. See, what's going on, true? Yeah, I know, I don't think it's that big of a deal. This isn't yours too.

If you talking about you on the TV, you want to make sure that like they don't know where you are, so they stayed in Palm Springs for two weeks and then they flew to Japan. So I guess this is our honeymoon. But not really, because Joe was holding baseball clinics there. And I read that he started telling you what to do. Kind of saying things like no shopping today, the crowds will kill us and she agreed but didn't like being told what to do. Hmm.

And so he is doing his baseball clinics in Japan and she got an invitation to go to Korea, to entertain the US soldiers, that were there and Joe couldn't go with her. So she went without him and it was really nice. I mean, I watched footage of it, she performed for them and well, really great. But he was actually asked about this in Japan. I have like a 10 second clip about it. If you can understand what he's saying. This is the man.

You enjoyed your trip to Japan. Well, everything has been fine, we've enjoyed our trip. The only thing that I have to complain about is that I haven't seen very much of my own and she is making a trip to Korea touring through the camps. And so maybe half of that way to will be able to spend a little time together. She hasn't seen much Maryland. Yeah. I was like the only thing I have to complain about. I wonder if he's mad at her or he. Yeah, I feel like he is.

Yeah. I mean, it's like not like it's your honeymoon in Japan. Like you're not actually doing work there. Yeah. Like so she had the right to go to Korea. Yeah, she's like, you're doing your thing. I'll do my thing. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I think it was totally fine over to do that. Also, she's doing a weird country. I know.

Yeah. Hmm. money hearing his voice wall over those one fun only thing I have to complain about, so As I said, the murders only nine months so it didn't take long for things to start going downhill, seems like they already are ya, they were things start to go wrong. He was the she was messy. He was repressed, she was not. Yeah, I don't know how to put that. Both had a temper. I guess both were stars. Mmm. He wanted those things.

Don't go well. He wanted to live in San Francisco. She wanted to live in LA, she wanted him to do. Excitement. He does like to watch TV. He was possessive, she forged with other people. She wanted social life. He said they had to be careful about phonies. He wasn't disaster. How long did they date? I found the different two years actually. Okay. Yeah. But maybe they didn't see each other that much or some they

didn't live together. So I think that they once they married and then live together It just started all these things became clear. Yeah, yeah, whoo. That's how people should live together before they get married. She talked to, I guess at least two people about her disappointment in Joe, but on the outside, the world was calling them like Mr. And Mrs. America not everything always seems as it appears or not.

Everything always is As It Seems It really wasn't, I guess he would like go cold on her and not speak to her for days. Sometimes and I read that she may or may not have had some brief Affairs during her marriage to Joe. I don't think it's confirmed. He said she was away sometimes with no explanation and he would freak out. Who did he say this too? I don't know his friends. Who then hold the biography, Marilyn said he was insanely jealous, but his friend said he had good reason.

Mmm, but I don't think so. You don't think so? Well, just his behavior later. I just don't think it's Justified. Okay, but I mean you did say that she did enjoy sleeping with married man so that's true. I feel like as a married woman, would it really stop her from having me? Yeah. I don't think it's like crazy to think that she would have cheated on him because she did have affairs when she was married to Arthur Miller later on.

Yeah, I mean she probably did she don't Joe and like, maybe that's why he wasn't even happy about Korea. Not to give me a pass here, but like maybe maybe she was nervous about him her being surrounded by all these male soldiers, I know. And I actually wanted to do her an Arthur Miller before this. It was more my idea than doing Joe DiMaggio, because I thought it was interesting, like, he's a writer. You know, he wore glasses.

I was like that. Yeah. Just sitting like, Marilyn Monroe with. This writer guy, that's interesting to me, but that I thought I should do Joe first, like, I don't know, no one order. Yeah, it is pretty confirm that she had affairs with him so I don't know, I don't know. So this though, we're approaching this incident that ended their marriage. Oh, no Marilyn was filming The Seven Year, Itch, the famous scene when she's wearing the halter dress, she's standing over the subgroup.

So Subway, grate and the dress flies. Yeah. And this was so confusing to find what happened like to find the straight story because really, it's written about in many different ways. But apparently, the studio was inviting, press and onlookers to watch them film this scene as publicity.

Yeah, but I was so confused about it because I read in some places that it was a publicity stunt and some places that it was filming and it is confusing Because the final scene in the movie wasn't filmed on the streets in New York, it was filmed in a studio but I guess it's like reshot it. Yeah for publicity. So I want to thank you. Did it like multiple times so everyone was like, oh I was there when they filmed that. Yeah.

They want to people, they want to generate excitement so they invited people to watch them film it and on the street, in New York and Joe wasn't not happy about it. He didn't want a crowd of people watching her Flash, the crowd-based, it's only She's a saying it. I know that's why I was wondering like, could you really have done anything? Like told him no. But she's like owned by the studio.

I know I don't think she would have been able to do anything, he felt uncomfortable about it so I guess there were a bunch of onlookers and when the dress went up someone made some comment in like a New York accent saying like trees, I thought she was a real blond apparently.

Her underwear was kind of see through something and He know I know and he was Furious he walked onto the set all pissed off and apparently had Maryland change into less see-through Underpants and this is what's like really sad for me to say I'm sorry ma'am but later that night at the hotel they had like a huge fight about it and people could hear them yelling and fighting and apparently Shield like bruises on her arms next day. Oh no. That's really sad. He's fuck him.

No seriously it's all her fault. What the hell? It's so it's really her job that she had to do. And I feel bad because I know you on the show were like we're not going to do love you so much. Well, like if we uncover something Young cover it, I have also say about that. Also, it's so bad like the unfortunate thing is like that kind of stuff happen all the time, it did for a cup for in relationships, it back then. That's why I said to you this is our Drake and Rihanna.

Yeah, by the way, we talked about this, I was like what if we uncover it because I do want to do some older people, People from like the 20s before I want to do, like, F Scott Fitzgerald and Zelda because they seem cool. Yeah. I was wondering like, I feel like a lot of men hit their wives back, then they did, they

did. So, in the thing is, we talked about this because I said I wanted to do Rihanna, but I didn't want to do Rihanna and Chris Brown and I didn't want to make it seem like we were Making light of it or and sizing it, but I think the difference is going to don't want to seem like a hypocrite is that like, all we know about Chris Brown and Rihanna is that? And then to cover them would be kind of like, but here's the rest of the story.

Yeah. Whereas I feel like Marilyn and Joe people don't really know anything and if they do, they only know about like the flowers. He sent her grave or something. So I don't know. It is unfortunate though. I think also like it's really unfortunate but there is an underlying Standing that that stuff unfortunately was so common back then and it doesn't make it right. But like it's going to be hard to cover. Couples that I know really far

back enough. Like we're gonna unfortunately, uncover all that stuff all the time and it doesn't I think, do anybody any justice to just like pretend like it didn't happen by not covering those couples but I don't want to. There's there's such a like plethora of relationships, modern-day couples that, we Could come? I'm not gonna waste a second, I'm stupid. Chris Brown or like, yeah, any other like abusers from from today? But that's what he said.

Yeah, I've like seen. Like, I remember watching like buying or something like one point. I was like, like, I miss, like, 1950s couples. Like I like romanticizes like, no. It's like, it's like husbands would be their wives for, like not making their dinner, right? So even all these videos I've been watching of Maryland, Marilyn and Joe, there are a lot of people in the comments that are like, I wish I was there.

I wish I was born back then. You know, like and then people respond, he literally beat her whatever. Like yeah, I don't know the extent like this is people say this happened. I don't know if it happened again. Mmm, but I'm really proud of my own because she left him after that. Good, yeah, good yeah, yeah she did. And actually to your point I like copy pasted this random Comment from somebody. That said what you were saying unfortunately, those were the times back then, Joe DiMaggio

probably wash his own mother. Get treated the same way, didn't know any better. Remember, America's favorite TV show The Honeymooners? What do you think? The biggest laugh was about one of these days. Alice one of these days, the guy like raises his hand. Oh really like is it was a joke? Yeah like the he's gonna hit her one of these days so I mean, it probably happened in like everybody's on family, to be honest with you, they're our family under the bus, but so yeah, he apologized.

But she said it was too late and she felt for divorce October, 1954 sighting, only mental cruelty. Hmm. For some reason, she had a public announcement about it in front of her house, which seems unnecessary. Yeah, there was like footage and images of her looking really. Sad. I mean maybe like I mean nowadays like people have so many other means of like communicating. Yeah. Stuff like that. Consciously up uncoupling radio it TV.

Yeah, that's true, this area. But they did that for some reason there were like 100 Paparazzi and journalists outside their house. Joe took his things downstairs and she stayed upstairs and plan. Was that he's gonna move out tomorrow? Just crazy to me. It's like they were trapped in the house together. Put the heck. So she told her friend for the book Marilyn Monroe, the biography. She said, Joe didn't like the woman I played, he thought they were sluts.

I don't know what movies you it was thinking about. He didn't like the actors kissing me and he didn't like my costumes, he didn't like anything about my movies, and he hated all my clothes. When I told him I had to dress the way I did, it was part of my job. He said I should quit that job. But who did he think he was marrying when he was married? Being me exact. She's an actress. You idiot. I'd be like if she's like, if he was still playing ball, I hate

baseball so much. I don't like you playing as you want when you have to run around and I don't know. Maybe you thought you could take less seductive rolls. Yeah. But I mean, I was even stay on the road. Yeah, I was thinking about it though. Like, you know, like even talking about that iconic costume. Yeah, I'm from The Seven Year, Itch. How if someone were to dress up in that costume? They would be like I'm Marilyn Monroe for Halloween?

Yeah, no one would say, I'm whatever the character's name was in that movie. But, like so many other movies, like, if you dress up as, I don't know, Chucky like, yeah, who's the always? That's it. I think, I animatronic, she dressed is the character Ponder. Yeah, they didn't Radcliffe. Yeah, but like people for some reason. Even can't separate Marilyn Monroe from the characters that she played. That's true. And so like, in my head like, yeah, she play Dad, it's a bimbo, not that.

That's what people would call it. Yeah. She wasn't happy about it. Yeah, so people think of her that way, do ya? And I don't think she was really that way. Yeah also I want to apologize because I like laughs really like at the I thought she was a real one but because it Accent was funny. Not because I think it's really mean that someone said that it's sad.

He's really mean the book was like, and this was his wife or whatever, just how Pissed. He was to here and yeah he definitely was insecure and it's just so crazy to think about, I mean, who knows what he would say, publicly, maybe you would say, like, I'm fine with it. But it's just interesting to contrast like, we had that episode about Penn Badgley Blake Lively and he said, kissing other actors. There's no big deal. It's fine.

Yeah. Apparently some people can't handle it. No, he is one of them. It's been said that like he wanted to have more of a stay-at-home Wife or she wanted a fun and spontaneous husband and both of them were just not suited for that. No. Good for her though for leaving? Yeah, this is it this is not working out. Yeah, I know. Why do people marry people that are like literally the opposite? I know they really probably should discuss what they wanted out of this marriage beforehand.

You know maybe I was wondering the maybe she just kind of lied to maybe she didn't feel comfortable. Saying she would be what he expected, you know what I mean? Or maybe she thought, she could be what he expects. Yeah. And maybe she didn't know, I know they should have talked about it, we really don't know. But it seems like it was kind of an emotional move to get married. Hmm. How did they have a long engagement? I don't think so. Yeah, it's usually they didn't

really think it through. Yeah. Like it seems like like I said they broke up because he wanted to get married. And so that was the Deal-breaker. Yeah we get married or we break up. Yeah. So she got married. Yeah. Yep. It sounds like it. They're only married for nine months. Wow what's odd? Is he accompanied her to The Seven Year Itch Premiere after their divorce in 1955? There's like a video of it was like commercial, do you think they were still hooking up? Maybe.

A popular Broadway, New York theater, radiates glamour for the sneak preview of the cinemascope version of The Seven Year Itch, and the birthday of its star. The incomparable Marilyn Monroe, who Thrills the theatrical district with a personal appearance, escorted by the great Joe DiMaggio. Miss Monroe wears a short tight fitting evening dress, molded to the figure with the popular v-neckline, a vision of delight. Vision of delight. He does the kind of handsome there.

We were discussing. We just went out to dinner before recording this, that he and pictures. Like he's kind of ugly hot. I was saying I thought he was attracted. Actually. I can see coming, he's tall. He's got the slicked hair, you do. He's kind of attractive. Looks better as I said, like in video real life. Mmm, pictures. Yeah, I got his baseball card is

not cute. He got better with a Dye would say it's interesting but see, I was wondering because you guys know how Kim Kardashian wore the Marilyn Monroe dress. Yeah. And she was accompanied to the Met Gala by another famously ugly hot guy. Pete Davidson was that, like, just your opinion, man? Well, I do think Pete Davidson is really hot. I'm sorry. I think he's hot, but people would call him Ugly Heart of unique faces.

Yeah, unique racism. When I say ugly, I think I look like be Davidson. I think, Kelly and I look ugly hot. No, ugly. I do think we are hot but he when I don't wear makeup, I really look like him. I think he has an interesting look. I mean I think he was a jerk. Obviously I'm not trying to like do you guys see my forever? But I I don't know. I'm just feel like Lana Lang too carried away. Like all those ugly? I don't know. I don't think we are ugly hot. What does it matter? What you say?

I don't care. We're gonna like, offend our listeners were saying we're ugly. It's like, I'm literally being like, more, like, apologetic to ourselves, and to these actual people, but it's just like, a known thing that like, people say this. About these people and I don't I do find Pete Davidson very attractive but Joe DiMaggio. It does seem like he becomes an acquired taste. Yeah, he is.

Well, I would say, I do find him to be attractive and in a way I find him and I'm not excusing his behavior guys, I'm just talking about, looks I find him more attractive than someone like Ryan Reynolds. Hitting on him because he's just like plain to me and I don't think. Yeah, I completely do you. And I'm so sorry guys, but we keep talking about your child has, he's obviously, yeah, which makes him that interesting less. Hi. Yeah, it's not unique in any way.

Yeah, sorry Ryan but Robert Pattinson. He I mean he's he's beautiful. He's obviously hot but in a way that's not a little unusual. It's unusual. Yeah. A little unusual. But if you look at him like yeah, it's hot and there's no debating but not, everyone loves about repentance. Look. Yeah, it's your my mom doesn't really care for him but I guess there's like different is you sometimes like someone just has something a little bit different about the way that in which they are attractive.

And that can be Peeling. Yeah, I also do think there's also something to be said to about the fact that he is from like a different generation and it's just like, guys don't do their hair like that anymore. Yeah, just like that anymore. So, there's something like a little attractive about it now. True, you know? Yeah. Like I wonder like how he would be groomed today and if he'd still be an attractive, because he has that, like, classic look.

I wonder, I wonder. Did you ever have a beard? I don't think so. So I think I ever saw pictures of him at the beard, you supposed to have supposedly, always kind of dressed up. I don't know, like, what are you look as though? Wicked old man. He had, he looks horribly like white hair. Mmm, I mean, I was, he looked a little older, but crazy. We could have met him. I know we could have when I would've been like five or something, I wouldn't work at

all. Yeah. But somebody in our life could have met him. Um, it's supposedly after this. Send it Joe. Did go to therapy after this and quit drinking and expanded his interests. Whatever. That means she also started going to therapy, Marilyn wanted to have more hits after her marriage to Joe. She was in Some Like It Hot like I mentioned earlier, the movie, The Misfits that was written by the playwright Arthur Miller who she married and she was with him.

For a couple years. And I think she actually had some good years. They're like, it seems like she was making audit, new friends, and was learning like, method, acting, and learning, taking acting lessons to become more serious. And she made friends with all these, like, poets, and writers and stuff. And I think her life did go up there a little bit. That's good. Yeah, I mean from outside, that's what it seems like. Yeah, but her marriage to Arthur Miller start. Declining.

And then was ending in 1960. Joe and Marilyn got back in touch. Okay. So they didn't stay in touch throughout her marriage. I, I don't think so. I think they did have first, but then, they didn't. They didn't talk for like, five years or something. Um, at this point. Sadly, she had been struggling with alcohol addiction and to taking a lot of pills to help her sleep mostly, and it was

really messing with her work. I guess she was really Ali, groggy and tired in the morning and she couldn't remember what was done it rehearsals and the day before and it was just messing with her life, which is stressing her out and she had had a fling with Frank Sinatra. And as many people have probably heard supposedly maybe a fling with John and Kennedy. Hmm, I don't know, some people say they might have only met like a couple times. Some historian guy said they

might have had one sleepover. I don't know where they're getting this deformation from. But yeah, she had kind of had a at the end of her marriage to Arthur Miller. I feel like things started to get a little crazy when she was interviewed in 1960 and she talked about Joe I'm gonna play that. It seems like at this time to her, Fame has probably become so much bigger than yeah. Like is even possible for someone to live with, it's true.

Okay. So this is her talking about Joe in 1960 at away, difficult and building. He was wonderful athletes and you could hear the baseball anything from his Direction, he can get his hips. So, He understood. Some things about me and I understood something about him and we based our marriage and I say something. Well, I don't want to say that. I don't think we understand some things about you, he has very

sensitive nature. In many respects, no, one thinks of an acid me being, I don't know, not having that, but this may do a marriage. Wasn't happy, one it and using nine months. Seriously and at the end, she was like I don't know what else to say, hmm. I mean if it's interesting because at first when she's talking about him, she's describing what everybody else already knows about him. Like he could hit a baseball. He was a really good baseball player.

Like yeah, everybody knows that. But then she starts like slowly getting into like, more personal things that like not. Yeah. Everybody else would know. Like yeah, he was really sensitive and like our marriage like wasn't good but like I think she pulls back on that she's like, well, you guys know like it ended. And I'm honestly, she said kind of reluctant to like, yeah, me too personal. She said, I said we based our marriage on some things and I say some things.

Well, I don't want to say that. Yeah, she's very careful. Yeah, I think her words and that clip. Um, it's like over a video of her. Yeah. Joe, the winner camera always like pans into like your legs or her, by or her boobs. Is really a fencing. Know, it's crazy. Like the, the video from The Seven Year Itch Premier, the camera just goes right. Yeah, seriously. Okay, I mean, it's like, she literally is like, being told Time and Time Again by everybody that like, she doesn't matter.

But Sides like, mmm. What she can offer sexually. It's just like you can see in every single like way. Why she struggled? So much know. You can see it is tragic. Hmm. Christmas Eve. 1968, she noted in a letter to someone that Joe had sent her a forest full of poinsettias along with a card reading. Best Joe. Hmm, was he trying to get back together? I'm not sure at this point what he's trying to do but I think he did try to. Yeah, so Marilyn started

struggling with the medication. She was on the pills just taking and and she was having some mental health issues and was checked into the Payne Whitney psychiatric. Psychiatry clinic in Manhattan and she was apparently locked in a padded room against her will and was treated like really horribly there. My God, that's kind of our nature. So she called some of her friends but they didn't do anything or they couldn't help

or something. Then she called Joe and he flew to New York from is either California or Florida. I'm not sure. But it was one of those and he moved her to a better place and cuz I think he just went in there and like made all these demands and he was Joe DiMaggio. I don't know. So he was able to get her moved somewhere better and he visited her every day.

She was there for three weeks. Then after that, she went to Florida for spring training with him because he was a batting coach and that year at the Oscars. Bob, Hope dedicated the song second time around to them. So people thought they were getting back together but Marilyn said they were just friends. Hmm, I don't know. They stayed in contact a lot.

I guess I I don't really know what was going on with them because I feel like she was kind of seeing other people too but they definitely were talking a lot and then he even lent her money to buy her final home in Brentwood. You loaned her five thousand dollars, which today is fifty thousand dollars to make the down payment. Oh wow. You know so on August 1st 1962, apparently, he told someone that he was going to ask Marilyn to marry him again but that's stupid, you know, but sadly she

was dead four days later. Oh my God, I'm sorry guys. He must have been crushed. I know he was, she's found dead in her apartment. On August 4th 1962 and something. Sometimes I'm like, is this true? Like it seems almost too perfect or to Fantastical but there wasn't unfinished letter to him beside her for. She was lying. She had over to overdosed on nembutal pills which were something she'd been prescribed. The thing is I didn't really know this. There's a lot of debate about

how she actually died. Mmm, Um, and I'm sorry if this is really really dark. But yeah, like trigger warning. Yes. Oh, yeah, for suicide and they drug overdoses. She was, it was ruled a suicide by the police and in the papers but I kind of thought that was it and that's what was in the book. But a lot of people say, they don't think that's what happened. They think it was an accident.

Hmm. That and it is interesting because apparently she was being prescribed different medications from different doctors that were not communicating with each other, which is crazy. But like, she had a psychiatrist and like, another doctor that we're giving her things. Oh God. And I guess she had been off something for a long time. Then she went back on it.

So her tolerance may have been way lower than what she remembered the and A lot of people think it wasn't an accident and some people would even say like she wouldn't have done that, like mean some people even say it sounds kind of funny, but like they said her Roots were showing, like she wouldn't have committed suicide with her Roots showing like she wouldn't want people to see her that way. Or I don't know me, she usually, like to look done up, I don't

know. People said she wanted done and I guess she was clutching the telephone when she was found, which makes it really tragic. It's really tragic, because it's like, we're trying to call somebody. I know like for help or something. Yeah, and then kind of similar to Diana. There's another group of people that think she was murdered.

I know people get all into it. There's something weird about her maid that found her but she wasn't supposed to be there because she was fired or something and I'll get him to that actually a little bit later but it is it is really sad and she had seen her therapist actually 28 times in the last 34 days of her life so she was struggling. Yeah unfortunately stuff like that like you can really just never know. I mean like if it's obvious yeah, but it wasn't obvious. Yeah, yeah.

Also, if there was a letter next to her half Written Letter to do that, she didn't finish like I feel like if she was like, trying to die. Yeah, would have been finished. I know you would think so. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, we can never know. That's really sad. How old was she? She was she was 36 years old. My God. I know so young adjectives. How old was Joe? At this time. He was 48. Okay, yeah, he must have been

just shattered by this. He was he was actually the one that claimed her body because that's what you do when someone dies and Because she did have a half-sister, but she wasn't able to get there till like the next day. So he did. And he along with inez's melson, arranged her funeral and he said, said that a lot of people weren't allowed to come including like think nothing, including Frank, Sinatra Dean Martin Peter Lawford.

The actor, the whole like rat pack is they were called because he said, they They killed her in air quotes, which I don't think he meant literally. He think he meant, he felt like Frank Sinatra in that group of men, they were like known for drinking a lot womanizing and stuff. And I think she had been hanging out with them. Pascal beers and he blamed them on her troubles, I guess which I don't know what their relationship was like.

I don't know if Joe is like better at this point, but I do Wonder like, how does he know that he didn't could? Me to her trouble. Yeah, I know that's kind of hypocritical because like he was also hanging out with her at this point, I know in her life but also is a part of this him like still being jealous of other men to be so. Yeah. They weren't, they weren't

allowed to funeral. It was a small funeral, it was like, 30, closest friends and family but you went very I wouldn't say overboard but no, expense was spared on the floral arrangements and this is when he contact, he contacted Parisian florist and ask them to design, a blanket of flowers for her funeral and he ordered several floral wreaths hearts and crosses and he was there, while the makeup was being applied on her and all through the night, and I guess before the casket

was closed, he leaned over and was kissing for me. Was getting but leaned over and kissed her saying, I love you. I love you. I love you. So complicated. It's so complicated. I can't see past him hitting her. I know. It's like I don't want even sympathize with him after that, but I do think he really loved her at the same time. Like and he was there for her in many ways the way nobody else was. I know he was It's tragic and it's not okay what he did, but

clearly he was suffering too. If he acted, I don't think he knew any better. I think he's like it's I don't want to give him a pass it all, but like he saw his father, do that to his mother and he just thought that was what people had to do to like get their way with their. Yeah, house. And in in the time period people didn't know any better. Yeah. But not an excuse. It's really bad.

I do hope and You kind of feel like he was trying to amend for his behavior and say sorry through all he was doing and I think the flowers and everything, I feel like he I don't know, I was trying to make it up to her or something. At least that's my interpretation. I don't know. Yeah, he never married again. I was trying to figure out if he dated anybody. I couldn't really read some weird articles about him having like a crush on someone. I'm like, what the heck does

that mean? I'm sure he did. But He I don't think he had any kind of serious relationship and it's said that he entered like a period of Agony. After this. You know, baseball was over his whole crowd of friends at the bar like that's kind of old over and he wasn't getting back together with Marilyn like he thought I mean she was dead now so just really tragic.

Mmm, but then this is when he made the order with the same florist Parisian florist to have six red roses delivered to Her grave three times a week or ever was the order. It said the order said six, fresh long-stemmed red roses three times a week, dot, dot dot forever, and Apparently more than 18,000 roses were delivered in all. Wow, he really supporting that business. I know he wants but he actually did stop sending them in 1982 because he said it was causing too much sensation.

Yeah. Cause then it's like he's like this is performative now. Like people. It's like becoming a tourist attraction. Yeah I bet people were like waiting there for it and I don't know might have been causing a hole. Yeah. Don't know. But he did do it for 20 years. Yeah, paid for it for 20 years. Yeah, I was gonna say Lee. It's actually like not like he's like going there. Yeah, flowers off. Yeah, we have that much money. You know. It's not that, it's not that it's like, really like the

Flores is doing that 20 years. Like you just like paid for it. It's something that's kind of passively happening. Yeah, but it's sweet. It's a really sweet. Gesture is sweet. And there is a whole thing about I don't really get it because he blamed, the Rat Pack on her death, but he also blamed the Kennedys.

I don't know. I mean, a lot of people think this actually, but yeah, I feel like he refused to shake ground candies hand when they first met apparently at the New York, Yankees Stadium. And then you'd agreed to go to the Kennedy Center for something, but he only agreed, if none of the political family would be there.

So that lets probably I'm guessing the conspiracy theory about her death is like people being like she was having an affair with JFK and like they knew stuff and interesting Lee. It's like a little more than that. Oh really? Again, like this is a theory, but I guess I'll mention because I remember when we did our Charles and Camilla one, we like, I don't know. I think some people do think the royal family killed Diana. And I don't know, I guess I'll just mention it.

But this is apparently, the reason why people say this happened that Marilyn she had a journal but it went missing. I guess, I don't know she had noted her conversation with Robert Kennedy about CIA plans to poison Fidel Castro with the aid of the Chicago gangster, Sam giancana in the government's investigation into Union Leader, Jimmy Hoffa's Mafia links. When real met the Kennedys through Peter Lawford, we mentioned earlier, he was like in the Rat Pack their British

brother-in-law and his beliefs. His past Roberts pillow, talk about the CIA stuff to Frank Sinatra who then reported it to the gangster guy. So basically it's that she knew information. And didn't keep her mouth shut or something, but I don't know. Wait, so is all of that true or that's the conspiracy people don't know if that's true, so I don't know. Okay. I mean it's not like but it's not like that's a widely considered fact I don't think it's, I don't know.

Yeah. I mean I think those things did happen but I don't know if Maryland did know about it. Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, he really thought that he said like I always knew who I was her but how Marilyn Monroe and we all know, I know, I don't know. I feel like, I feel like wouldn't they wouldn't be telling her. I know, I'm just saying that's what he said, but she said, I film actress she have to do with any of that.

I know big, unless it's the, yeah, the pillow talk, like, I don't know, like, oh yeah, we're gonna kill this guy, like, I don't know. I I do think like that. Unfortunately, it's that happens all the time when like a young person dies in tragic way, that's a celebrity, like then everybody's going to be like, oh, they were really a turd and to Be honest. Like I sometimes find that like

makes it harder. I know and I kind of like in a way like it I think it stems from like grief and anger that you want to like I don't know but I don't come up with another reason yet another reason. Yeah, beyond that. They had been struggling but because it feels so random and so unjust and you want to put blame on somebody? Yeah. And I think that's what people

do for dying and too. I mean, any shade of people who like really believe, I don't know, but that you want to blame somebody other than unfortunately these things happen like really random tragedies do happen. And it's also sometimes in a situation like this, it's like very painful and hard to think about how much pain Marilyn had been in. Yeah it was an overdose or a suicide. Yeah. So like it's It's a reaction to want to actually get with

somebody else. Yeah. Who is to blame or not not that she's getting or anything but yeah, I'm not like a scholar anything. Like I'm not an expert on all of this but I don't know my I feel like it may have been an accident. That's what I gathered from everything I read but And I can be really sad that accidents like that. Can happen. Hmm. Um, it's been said it's even at his Wikipedia, but that Joe said, when he was dying that his last words were, I'll finally

get to see Marilyn again. But his brother Dominic said that wasn't true. So he might have said it at some point, but I don't think those were literally his last words. Yeah. How do you kind of hard to time your last word I know? I know, I know I feel like if I was on my deathbed, I would say something some died. Yeah, it's very poetic. I'm going to choose to think that he did say. It may be his last day. How did he die? So he died of lung cancer. I was so happy.

News gonna dive yet at the age of 84 in Hollywood Florida. And in 1999 later in 1999, there was an auction of Joe's things, which makes me a little sad. I mean, maybe they donated to charity or something, but I don't know. For some reason, upsets me as family sold, like all his things, and one of the things they put up for auction, was one of his journals. And in it, there was a list of rules. That he'd written to himself of how to act with Marilyn, and I heard about this from the Irish

Marilyn Monroe fan club. So thank you, what were the rules? Um, and there actually is, like a scan of these Pages. Like, it's real. It's not just like someone saying it. So, these were the rules. He wrote, we had very beautiful handwriting, by the way. Well, it was kind of hard to read, but it was very flirty. Um, it said don't ever be critical. Forget ego and pride, talk from the heart. Be warm, affectionate and love. Don't be a, I really couldn't tell what it said is very hard

to read. Some kind of don't be a dick or something. I don't know, but it didn't look like that. I have no idea what he's trying to write. Don't be a blank, be patient. No matter what? No jealousy. Remember, this is not your wife. She is a fine girl. And remember how unhappy you made her happiness? Is what you strive? Or for her in capital letters. Don't talk about her business or her friends.

Be friendly towards her friends. Don't forget how Lonesome and unhappy you are especially without her. Oh my God. That's like actually really sweet and cute. It's like sad that he was really trying to work on himself. He was considerate, he did keep journals. Apparently, I think like a lot. Of them are for auction classic Joe though, a lot of the

entries. Apparently for some reason at the end of the day he would like, write down how much it's been really, how much each meal was he's like, really keeping track. We don't know what cheap he is. Like, that shows how much ordering those flowers. That's true. How much he really loved her because this is a man who he was really taking. Yes, it does. Doesn't waste money. Yeah and yet he's kind of wasting money on flowers. Going to a grave that people are probably going to steal like

five seconds later. That's true. And it's going to say this like at the end, but he's been asked to talk about Merlin so many times and he's always said, no, and once he was offered 50 thousand dollars to say something about her and he said, no, wow, he is really Into making money. So I feel like that says, something that he just didn't. He was offered to him more than his yeah. Original baseball. Catcher act like to dream salary. Mmm, his original contract was like twenty five thousand

dollars. I wanted to make 40,000 all he wanted for die, eventually he died, but it took. Wow. Yeah so he like he really did like love and honor her. It's like hard to see. I hope. I think he did just that one time. It's sad. He also so, in all these, this auction of his things, they also had his wallet. I don't know why I'm sensing that there. I don't know. It's just well, I'm sure they kept a lot of other. Yeah, they did. But just have one case on,

right? Yeah. He just had one some grandkids investing. I think so. Um, so they auction has wallet. And in it there was though they auctioned what was in it. Yeah, like the whole thing. Oh wow, yeah, but it was even, it's even on Christmas. Tease, the auction website. It went for four hundred twenty five thousand dollars. Well this was in the wallet so they auction the wallet and they auctioned this piece of paper that was in the wallet. That was a letter from Marilyn Monroe.

The Apparently he'd been carrying in his wallet this whole time which is like 40 years. Yeah. What. I'm just mad because they're just silence and I remember like when I used to drive a car? Yeah. Listen to a podcast if there is sirens and you get scared because I thought it was like on the road. So it's an area is an egg and they just pulled over. Yeah. Sorry. That is scary podcast. Put sorry, what were you saying? Yeah, we're totally. This is a totally independent

pain cats as you can. Probably tell were not in a studio, we don't have contrast have producers and um yeah this letter from Maryland was in his Wallet. And it was broken in four pieces but I mean, it's been in there forever like she died in 1962. Wow died in 1999. So it's crazy to steal his wallet, but this is what it said. Oh, and it was on the back of a dry-cleaning receipt which I liked. Mmm. Wow this is so gross Oracle. I know how much did this? Four hundred twenty.

Five thousand dollars. Wow. Yeah this piece of paper. Um, Dear Joe. I know I was wrong. I acted the way I did. And I said the things I did because I was hurt, not because I meant them, and it was stupid of me to be hurt because actually, there wasn't enough reason. In fact, no reason at all, please accept my apology and don't don't, don't, don't be angry with your baby. She loves you lovingly your wife for life mrs. JP DiMaggio. This is from when they were married, I guess so. Yeah.

I mean, I'm assuming why don't she wrote it? After, but they like still like called themselves. I like when they were friends again. Did she make their relationship was better? It did after she had gotten divorced, from Arthur Miller, but maybe because they weren't together because they weren't together. And she was suffering though. Yeah, it is nice that they were able to have seems like good

friendship. Yeah, he refused to talk about Marilyn. After her death but he did say she was a warm Big Hearted Girl that everyone took advantage of. Yeah and that's the story. I'm sorry. What's the likelihood? They'll get back together? Just kidding. It's not what I want to do. Yeah, City Rob. Oh yeah, no I know I mean I think everyone would say Marilyn is so guys on our Instagram.

You don't follow us that you should because it is really fun poles, where well, first, we have people guests what they think the episodes, can because we teased a picture, like a zoomed in picture of their hands or their shoes or something. And then, we sometimes do these custody battle of you, pulls, hmm. Where you say whose side you're on. Hmm. There is always someone who choose the size you wouldn't expect but I love Besides it's never been 100% one person.

There's always like someone would probably pick Joe. I swear to God. Yeah, yeah, it is even though it is really tragic and fucked up in some parts, I do find it. I don't know. I just Pierce's my heart in like a beautiful, but sad way, I just think it's peaceful like, the complicated nature of like human beings. Yeah. And love in general because it's like, well, I'm not going to keep talking about like it was have something that happened in the time period.

But even regardless of that, like, they weren't compatible in a relationship whatsoever. It was never going to work out with them. It seems like they had way too many differences. Has yeah and like I don't think they ever would have moved past that even later on I think he was trying to work on himself but like where does that love? Go I know right? Like even though they didn't really work together. I think they still loved each other. Yeah. Isn't that like what the Twin Flame is?

Yeah? Like yeah, we're does that love go? Yeah, seems like it's still lasted. Yeah, up until Joe died. I wonder if that's why Wasn't with anybody else. Maybe we maybe was like secretly. We have any be poor like Joe's. Like long-term girlfriend. Like, nobody knew about like he kept her a secret. Yeah. It's like take advantage of it. Mom. And maybe that's a possibility.

I mean, that would really impress me if he was hoping for the rest of his life that would really, but we haven't had impressed me. I'm a stranger. Yeah. Doesn't he? Know him, but I'm sure he was with somebody but you didn't marry again. That's all we know. Hmm, he probably could have me, he's in his 40s. It's not too late. Yeah. So I wonder what that list who's working on. Like he definitely really wanted to marry Marilyn.

And again, I feel like she wouldn't have said, see the thing about Marilyn is like, she knew about it. Like she knew. Ya knew like right early on that. The marriage wasn't going to work when she said. Originally, I know like I feel like she always was aware that they weren't compatible and now I I know I'm gonna find who did it, but I did read that. She told her friend that she still everyone that she has loved. She still loved a little bit.

So I think tainted at least have some love for Joe. You don't know how strong it was. I don't know if it was the same intensity as him but yeah I mean you always carry your past selves with you. Yeah, whole life. So it's just tragic. I did find myself just so interested and I did want to uncover more about Joe after their divorce and figuring out, you know, did he change the things? You wrote was really interesting to me so I'm sure there's way more out there too. Yeah.

I mean, I'm yeah, it is crazy thinking about how money up says to was mmm that his love for Maryland Trump. That he was, he was he was described, I didn't even mention it all, but as being cheap and like the kind of guy that I don't know when he went out to dinner with people wouldn't really like get the bill. Yeah. Apparently he would pay when he's with his teammates but if he was with like Yankees executive people or something, I don't know who else he would be going out with.

But yeah, he would just let them pick certain age. They spent their whole lives, it's cute journaling. And at all, in general, I accidentally, when I was doing research on, this was reading this article and I literally started copying down typing. What I was reading and I didn't realize it was an onion article and I got tired.

But it was like because I had so many times when it's over, I didn't realize that it said, it's like in Joe DiMaggio's Journal. Um, he writes a long list of everything he hates and it seemed so accurate, but it wasn't day. So did he call Marilyn, Marilyn or did he call her Norma Jean? Other Maryland mean, that's what he said in that video, but maybe he was just talking. Yeah, that could have been just to the journalist.

I always wonder that about celebrity couples especially when the couple goes by stage name. I know does there. Their partner called them, their stage name. That's such a good question. Personal name. I know. Could the, the name that their family calls them? Yeah, I wonder, like, I remember Taylor Swift and she was dating Calvin Harris, in a speech she called him whatever his real name is, I don't know. And even though that wasn't his

real name be, oh, wow. But then I think some people just start introducing themselves as yeah. But what about Lady Gaga. Hey did someone do they call her Gaga? Any car? Stephanie probably Stephanie. Yeah. That's just this kind of like I don't feel like friends of her say Gaga. Yeah, I was talking to God God the other day. I think Lana Del Rey who's like my favorite singer. I'm pretty sure people call her, Lana like in her life was her name. Elizabeth. Well, Lizzie.

Oh, I forgot that. Yeah. I think that that's what people should dates calls or to sure it's kind of sad, you know, because it's like You don't really know the real me anymore. The name that you grew up with.

I mean, obviously people change their name, do but I don't, but when you're a celebrity, you take on a Persona that like isn't totally you, like, you take on like an exaggerated character who you are for the sake of like, building a brand and so your stage name, like, represents that brand. Yeah, kind of sad that even In like in an intimate romantic relationship. Yeah. Being called their brand name. Maybe it's like not that date.

I'm sure he gets so used to it's like they're probably like when do I tell someone to start calling me? My real name Norma Jean. Let's hear. It's like no one names. Anyone the name Norma anymore, you know, normal? Probably come back someday. I think Marilyn is such a pretty name but it's just to to Marilyn Monroe. Yeah. I like the name dommage. Yeah, the first thing last week.

I need some value. Yeah. Apparently he got very annoyed when people called him, Tim Maggio DiMaggio. Yeah, do DiMaggio? Joe DiMaggio. It's fun to say, yeah, that song that I put on the list, it's very catchy. It's like joltin Joe DiMaggio. We want him on our side. What does it rhyme? I don't think I sing it like correctly but back-to-back mind but that's all I remember. That's it. This is a doozy. But so who is our next one? Do you want to talk?

Oh my gosh. Okay, the next one coming back to modern times, this is a couple that has recently been going through a divorce, sadly. And one of the people in the marriage should be neutral to keep one of the people is in a very highly, publicized relationship with a new flame, Who is younger? And this new flame is very in the spotlight. Hmm in the X Seems upset way too much. It seems obvious, but exactly who it is, because you told me, but I love a riddle.

I hope you guys enjoy it. Some of you will either one of you ever get goes that it but literally, almost everybody got Taylor and Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah, I some people said Taylor and Harry, that's true. But one, there was one person who wrote, I'm so bad. This never gets any of them. I see you. And I hear you because I feel like it's so hard. I know. And it doesn't, it seem so obvious. I don't know if I could do it. Actually want to read an email

from somebody really? Yeah, pulled up Sierra. Oh, Sierra. Recognize that name. Yeah, she had a dream about the podcast if it's okay, we're reading it. I just think it's so cool. I'm sorry. I guess it was just me tree, okay? Um, she said okay, hey, come out. Hope you guys are doing well. I've been meaning to share this couple idea for a while but I always end up forgetting. But today I had to write you guys up because I did dream with Kelly in it.

The dream the dream started with Kelly inviting me to go to A banks concert in New York City. I've no clue of Kelly even listens to Banks but she's my favorite artist so I guess that's where that came in. I also didn't get to see Things in concert this year because I was busy around the time. She was touring near me. So I guess my subconscious is

holding onto that. Anyways, I was driving up to NYC and plan on dropping off my bags of the hotel room that Kel booked for me, I got to the hotel which is really nice, but my stupid alarm woke me up before getting to the concert. Maybe it'll be a reoccurring dream until I get to the show. LOL, that is so cool. Do you listen to Banks? I don't really, I do know her. Yeah, take a picture. Yeah. And I You know, concert you know and I should I should listen to her.

So cool. Wait that's also so cold that you can like tell us apart enough to that just Kelly's in the dino because some people kind of some people. Can't tell us apart. Then the couple idea, I know you guys just fine if you can't, by the way, I owe you for listening. I know you guys have mentioned. It being difficult to find, lgbtq couples to cover is they're usually involved a famous person in a non famous. They have one that could work. Sarah Paulson in Holland.

Taylor, I'm not sure how public their relationship is or if there's enough details for full episode, but could be very interesting, couple with Sarah being 47 and home being 79. I think would be cool to talk about how a large age Gap. Dynamic changes and the same sex couple primarily Between Women. Let me know what you guys think or you've already looked into it best Sierra. Yeah, that is very interesting. That is I have thought about that actually.

Think they're on the list. So on our radar, should definitely cover it before she died. That's true. We should just so I don't want another tragic one. Yeah, that I hope she lives a long time. You know, 79 is scribbled, that's not the oldest cut it out, goodbye. But yeah, we should definitely cover it. That sounds Great idea. I know that sounds really interesting. Hmm because to be honest with you if that was a 79 year old well Sarah paulsen's in her 40s she show 47. Okay.

Not know, I don't know. I think what's on those in their 40s, like, whatever. It's not like creepy or anything, but differences at that point you're an adult. Yeah. Like a real but it would be a little different still. I think Steve differently. So hmm. I just think that's so cool. We were in the dream. I mean, even though she said me obviously, you were like there somewhere. Yeah. I feel like I've had a dream about Podcasts before too. So, I really hate.

Well, well, okay, well, I guess that's it. This isn't there's another siren but it's on the podcast. Don't pull over. I feel like our theme song could be Joe, singing it doing self. Think about that. As outro plays in some, hopefully, they're together, Heaven, Keep referencing. I know I get to have a nice hug. Okay. Bye guys. Your heart.