Mewing: Can You Change Your Face Shape Naturally?

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Controversial subjects with effects can be tense But we are ASAP Science, here to make things make sense Today, we are talking about mewing, a facial reconstruction technique that you can do at home and naturally that's taken the world by storm, especially social media. We're going to talk about the science behind it, the history, and if it works. We're also going to be talking... Talking about octopus technology and counting calories. Is mewing... Is that a Pokemon?

Mewtwo is a Pokemon. That's the one. And Meowth is a Pokemon. So maybe you were like mixing up. Wow, you're such a nerd these days. Yeah, no big deal. I like traders. That's why you even knew the word Pokemon. Is traders nerdy? yeah is reality tv nerdy yeah yeah but there's a lot of reality tv for non-nerds as well like what the challenge like what well i'd say like tv is i would say that like housewives isn't for nerds. No, it's for gay guys. Or like... And girls.

There's lots of reality shows that just aren't for nerds. That's all I'm trying to say. But there are lots of nerds that love reality television. And like history war documentaries are technically reality TV. Although I bet a man would be so mad if I said that. So yeah. Nevermind. It's not like reality TV and Pokemon are the same thing. Yeah. I would say like you're, I'm more nerd than you. Is that true?

Well, you've got the sky blue. You got the glasses on. No, I don't know. You like love being a nerd. You're always like, I'm a nerd. Like if you want, I guess. So like you definitely asked that question to be like, I am. No, I just had a moment where I was like, well, you are like into science and you do wear glasses. And I'm trying to think like you like learning. Like I guess to many people you might be a nerd. Yeah, wait. But I think like. I think I am.

amongst our friends i would think they would think that i actually hate the word nerd and i think it's so stupid and now i'm like whoa i'm well there's nerds there's geeks like there's different subgroups those aren't different yes oh okay you're not a nerd then you don't know okay Wow. Okay. Okay. Why not just like start talking about it? Hit that butt. Study time. Study time. Study time. Study time. So mewing is wow. Is mewing nerdy?

geeky interesting question well i think that could end up being problematic to decide right now so why don't we like wait until the end okay mewing is interesting why don't we talk about just like what it is first so The technique is everyone at home, you can try this right now. It's actually so simple that it's kind of dumb. It's like you close your mouth.

You close, which is like for our podcast. We're going to, we're going to mute you for 20 minutes. So it's going to be silent, but you close your mouth. You allow your teeth to like.

close like to touch or like barely not like the way you would just like rest and relax your mouth and face yes and now you try to force your tongue your full tongue including the back to the top of your mouth and that's where like the kind of pain sort of technique of thinking oh this might do something to my face shape will happen you have to do this for long periods of time

We'll get into who designed this concept, but up to even two years. And then they say your jaw will become more defined in a sexy Instagram filter type of way. So I'm going to try right now, putting my tongue on the top of my mouth.

I've been trying it a lot while prepping for this, and I hate the sensation of it, but I guess that's part of it is like... also it's hard to like exercise at first you hate it why because it i like that it hurts i started feeling that my jaw was getting sore in a way that scared me but

I'm surprised you like it because you've had jaw issues. But I mean, the overall idea, and this is being promoted a lot on social media, on YouTube, on TikTok, is people being like, look at my transformation. I used to have...

have this kind of like flabby jaw looking thing. And then I started mewing and now I've got this defined wider jaw. Lots of before and after thumbnails on YouTube. Yeah. With like, you know, kind of picture like a double chin or like neck fat that's gone. And you're like, okay.

wow, mewing is, wow, it's really, it's changing the face. I also thought it would be more active. Like, it's just putting your tongue on the top. I thought it'd be more like pulsating your tongue. But it's just placing your tongue on the top of your mouth, which...

does come with like a sensation of pain which makes me think why people buy and like think it's it's like pain is pleasure and it feels like it's doing something by doing it like pushing your tongue to the top of your mouth but what the

Just like the word mewing, I thought it was going to be a lot more like... It kind of reminds me of like, you know that I've literally never watched that model movie with Ben... stiller is that his name yeah what's that called oh yeah zoolander yeah but you know how like they make that like sexy and like lots of gay guys do that face too it kind of reminds me of that without the cheek sucking but it is like the tongue is like

is like sucked to the top of your mouth well one one study i read said that like if you actually actively mew like right now like if you put the tongue on the top of your mouth like for a photo the suction will pull in your neck a bit that a lot of people when they do the before

and after they're just mewing in the moment so i was kind of like okay i want to try this for like group photo and then everyone's just like smiling but i'm gonna look like a stoic zombie and i'm gonna mew and i'm gonna go and see if i have a crazy

neck suction before we get into the science of it though i want to mention you said it is just the tongue thing and that is true that is what mewing is but there are very like a lot of like tangential um things that people associate together. So people who are mewing may also be doing like jaw exercises or things that they would consider facial exercises or like chewing on certain things. There's like a rubber thing that Joe Rogan was selling. So I do think it's like it expands beyond.

on just the simple idea, but mewing at its core is what we described. Just that like you want the whole of your tongue, including the back of it to be- Which is the hard part. The back of it is the hard part. And it does force you to close your mouth. So you're not mouth breathing. And like everyone who's like a man on YouTube hates mouth breathing. So it's like, okay, I guess your mouth's closed. Okay. So it comes from a guy named Dr. John Mew.

Oh, I thought his name was Dr. Mike Mew. Mike Mew is the son. So Dr. John Mew creates mewing in the 1970s as part of an alternative orthodontic practice, which he creates called orthotropics. It's like... okay like you can't just make up words but the british am i right cancel i mean like i guess you can just make up words that's what a language is yeah and he was like he was definitely like

big up on like the making up of words. That's what Shakespeare did. So maybe Mr. Mew is like the modern day Shakespeare. Shakespeare's also British and had an epic jaw. Actually, no, he probably didn't. Anyways, his son, Mike Mew, who obviously... hashtag took over daddy's business yeah white guy in business took over his nepotism nepo baby mike mu which is great name mm

is the one who started to popularize it on YouTube and TikTok. So he starts being like, hey, everyone, have you ever tried mewing? Because... jawlines we know are so in have you ever seen jacob alorty so hot and then it really starts to take off in 2019 the google trend from ewing showed like a hundred times hundred times growth from 2018 so there was like this serious trend in this idea of mewing from mic me which is the sun i certainly see it

all over social media really yeah especially on youtube i don't think that i've seen it that much on tiktok myself but i i don't know i guess there was a time when i like was curious about it because i feel like i've seen lots of videos that are about moving wow i see it on like

Reddit and stuff because I think it kind of ends up crossing over into other communities that are related to sometimes fitness, that are related to weight loss, that are related to obviously if you're doing mewing, you're considering like how you look and it's trying to transform your body. feel like it can come up in those other categories. But also because you're a man and you're talking about man things like Reddit and YouTube and it's a...

Way to change your face shape for men. The concept of like a pronounced jaw is a masculine thing. Like sharp angles is like a quote unquote masculine trait. Yes. And then I was looking or like, sorry, one study I was reading was like.

um, talking about, I'm trying to like bury the lead on like how messed up this actually is, but like, you know, go there, but that, yeah, there's not much. scientific research to say this work but they were saying that like the idea of fillers men getting fillers in that portion of their jaw to create a more pronounced jaw like back

It's like not the chin. It's like back from the... Under the ear. Yeah, yeah. Having that come out very like... See Zac Efron's busted face. I think Bad Bunny might have gotten it. It's like filler or Bad Bunny mewed for years. But it's... that does exactly what the mewing thing does. And then it was a study that said since 2019 in tandem, the amount of like filler surgeries for men has skyrocketed. So there's something about the culture of like male.

aesthetics with this jaw thing that has like simultaneously like grown. Yeah, that makes sense. Like that. It's like an aesthetic of cultural aesthetic. like, what do you say? Trend. Trend of now. Yeah. Because even, you know that TikTok filter that like beautifies you? Yeah, it just gives you a strong jawline. If you're a man, it like makes your jaw way wider. So that's why I think it's all over.

Reddit and YouTube because it's like quite a mask. Yeah. Whereas like contouring your face, like the way that women would do is like was all over. you know, their algorithms. This is like the male version of contouring. I would say there are definitely girls who do this, but I agree that it's probably like much more in the male space. But it's more than just draw that people.

a say it impacts right like a lot of times it's like get rid of your double chin is kind of what's being proposed but also sleep apnea like there's the sort of the mewing the institute of mew these men from britain who are Well, they're orthodontists, but they got their doctorates taken away. But they, like, do...

claim that there are health benefits from this, including like, like sleep apnea will go down. They complain that joint pain will go down. I think it's like anything where we live in a world where everything is seemingly. bad like even people make a lot of jokes about this on tiktok now it's like

don't eat eggs, don't eat cheese, don't eat broccoli, don't eat... Broccoli? That's like the one that is so good. I know, but then there'll be a video of someone being like, well, that's actually toxic, right? There's always some angle of like, don't brush your teeth with fluoride. If you don't brush your teeth with fluoride, you're going to... to die.

Everything is constantly facing us. And so I think this kind of fits into that category of like, oh, is your jaw just ever so slightly deviated from the norm? Then you want to do this. And I think there are lots of people that have insecurities, like myself included, about physical parts. but like, do I have an underbite? Do I have an overbite? We get like signaled in to these like

things that we're supposed to care about ourselves because we're all on social media caring about our bodies, how we're perceived to the world. I think this kind of fits in there. One thing I was going to say.

maybe you did already say it but with mewing the idea is that eventually that will become the natural position of your tongue which is why it's like eventually you do it forever my tongue's on the top of my mouth or just like that you've conditioned your body to hold itself in a different way which i look different right now you look like you're pouting when you do it oh you look like so i'm brooding for once in my life yeah but i guess like

You can see why logically people without having to look at studies think this seems reasonable. It's like, okay, well, we exercise muscles in our other parts of our body. Maybe we can exercise muscles in our jaw. And a British...

to improve our posture by changing how we stand they also say that mewing will help your posture which is i'm like how does that work but apparently that's what they say too well okay this okay we're gonna get into some of the actual studies but the last thing i want to say unless you have something else

there is a massive like i don't know the size of the subreddit but there's like lots of posts and i came across like a really big guideline on all the tips and tricks of how to effectively mew and i started noticing so i wrote down some of the things it's like they are also giving

tips on how to breathe properly like you said how to change your body posture what sleep positions you need to go in how to chew differently how to swallow differently tongue exercises you should lower your body fat so it's like you start to realize that you're like is this really

about mewing like if you're starting to add in all those things you can't then be like well mewing work if you're like if you're like i i'm gonna spend a lot of energy lowering my body fat look at my chin's different it's like yeah yeah so i think

And that's the reason there's no like proper science studies on this because like it's so entangled with so many elements. But it would be interesting to see. Okay. So to get into the science, we'll start with the quote unquote good before we get into the bad. But... So the Mew brothers, son and the Muse, Mewtwo, the Mewtwo, the two Mews, were orthodontists. And then they created this thing called orthotropic. So you even get why that like just them being those.

professions gets people to think that what they're saying is valid and they genuinely believe this. And one of their main claims is that they think jaws are getting smaller due to lack of eating food and due to mouth breathing. So there is some truth to the fact of eating food. Yes. Smoothies. Like we don't chew. That was a big part of the breath book, which, you know, half the book I love, half the book I think is a cult. But we have so much processed food. We don't have to actually like.

grind it down yes which is a really interesting part of the breath book and where there are studies that that do find that this is to be true like there are issues with the fact that we are not chewing as much we get process That's a great way to think of it. We got processed food, which has been pre-chewed for us, essentially. That's essentially what processing food is. Yeah.

compared to the quote-unquote hunter-gatherers, which all these boys definitely love. So that is true, and they actually think it is affecting jaw size. And so there is truth to that. And then also children who have... jaws that are like outside of the norm and usually need it to be fixed through braces or through or the dental work like that is a thing and whether or not that's genetic or environmental is

like something that can't currently be answered by science. But the Mew, the Mew twos, the Mew brothers are very much pushing that as environmental. They believe that by just. I see. They're saying like, you can change your body. Yeah. And they're like, maybe like, oh, your tongue's in the wrong place. Whereas like, they actually lost. They got there. qualifications taken away because of how strongly they were ignoring the

genetic aspect of a jaw issue to the point that the British orthodontic society expelled Mike Mu and the general dental council held a misconduct hearing regarding their treatment. Cause they're like, you're completely.

misinforming people around how this works. I think especially when people have a very an actual condition or like exactly like you might need braces you might need surgery yeah and then not to say like some of the like professionals speaking about this that i came across were like we we just a don't have studies that this works but when it's persuading somebody

who should otherwise get surgery to think that they can just fix their problem with this. That's when it can become a problem because that person might have like a lifetime issue now that they didn't address, especially if they're like a young person who had like a severe. oral issue and there's no credible research to say that this works so you should not listen to any of the misinformation that they do proclaim but there's also no like

evidence to say that it's bad yeah beyond like anecdotally some people being like it can cause like a jaw pain it might trigger some like everyone has different sensitivities yeah if you have a jaw issue they're like yeah go to your orthodontist or to a medical and if you start

mewing and your jaw is getting really sore all the time you should stop but it's not like you're right it's not like really causing a major issue for people so at least it's not it's not as insidious as some other things where like a practitioner might recommend like literal drugs that could actually totally but they were but like it is interesting that the sun was literally kicked out of the

British orthodontic society, like orthodontists are mad. Yeah. And if you're promoting something that is not based on evidence, that is problematic. Do you think that like, just thinking of like getting in the heads of these people, they're like, well, of course the orthodontists are mad. They want your money. I think I saw some of that. That is interesting. Is that there's something to lose by giving people their own solutions. And so on the one hand, I'm just like, okay.

if this isn't really causing harm, except to maybe people who otherwise do actually need like surgery or braces or to take in some professional help. I mean, there's lots of things in life that we all do, whether it's superstitiously or that we're just like, I'm going to kind of do it this way because I think it's better and it's making me look better.

fine. I think it's like all power to you. If it gives you a sense of like autonomy and control and it's not affecting anyone around you. Yeah. They originally started the concept of mewing for children thinking like, which is true that the development of like a children's mouth is more.

prone to like needing to be changed so it is true that if you're like a child and you're growing and you're placing your tongue in the wrong place that can affect your face shape like that's a part of orthodontics and i actually uh in my video on um breathing and how breathing can be so amazing i know you mentioned this it's like There's not a lot of evidence, but there is some evidence that mouth breathing in younger people can cause face changes, like shape changes. And so...

Okay, then maybe there's not an exact study having a correlation, but we can see, okay, the way you hold and use your mouth and nose may impact your face and body. Of course, most people mewing are adults.

And exactly in that case, you should talk to a professional who will like work through that with you and your child. And my point was that they started with the child development thing, which I think orthodontists were like, okay, like that is fair. And then all of a sudden they became like, oh, and as adults, as it started to pick.

up there like as an adult you can change it where and i think a lot of orthodontists were like wait wait like right it made more sense when you were talking about the development of the mouth because that is the important time yeah for

like people to think about where their jaw placement is to get it changed. And maybe it could be a genuine kind of therapy for somebody who has a... breathing issue or is like developing in a way that's causing problems for their jaw okay let's talk with the doctor and physician about how to train quote-unquote them how to like breathe properly and hold their mouth properly fine

I have an interesting study I came across that looked at the resting position of the tongue in different positions and tried to see like, are more muscles activated?

by mewing are you triggering more muscles are you like building strength this wasn't specifically about mewing but it was just about like um facial muscles so they literally like tested everyone before to see like what their body and electro whatever it was um and then electro well you know they're like testing um like the electrical Activity in their muscles and their job in their like natural holding positions and then they assign them to different categories So some people like

had their tongue sitting in the bottom it was like do not touch the roof of your mouth at all some people were told to like touch the full roof of their mouth and a variation of that basically they found there's no significant differences in muscle activity as a function of tongue position So you're not actually like changing the muscles in your jaw that much to the degree that you will like strengthen them as though you've gone to the gym. So I thought that was interesting. Are there...

Now I'm like, we need to do a separate one about those little balls that people are biting that Joe Rogan's hold. Yeah. Curious about that now. Cause that's not mewing. I saw that come up casually. I didn't actually like research it, but I, yeah, that's what I meant when I was like, it's tangential to mewing. Cause I think people whom you might also be like, Oh, I should get that and like strengthen my jaw. Well, the thing is like,

I had jaw problems. My jaw locked once where I was like, it was crazy. And it wasn't just from sucking dick, but it was like, literally they were like, you're gay interesting it was like a part of it and i was just like okay but it also could be a lot of things but i had like a clicking jaw and then one day it just like clicked so hard that i was like and i went to a dentist who like clicked it back. It was crazy. But then I...

went to a, because you made me think of electro, like they put a, what is it called? Oh, like they were like zapping their. It was awful. They put. Electroshock therapy into your jaw. Electroshock therapy. Although, and I'm straight. No, I didn't do. I do want to do an episode on electroshock there because that is actually coming back, which is what? Yeah. Okay. Like light shocking to the brain as a mental health.

Oh, I know. Okay. So anyways, hold on folks. We're going to get to that one because it is fascinating. Anyways, no. What is that stuff that you won't do where they put the needles in your back? acupuncture yeah so it was acupuncture but then he hooked it up to this like electrical thing and then he stabbed needles in your jaw so it's needles and three needles in your jaw and then they go and the electricity goes and it's like actually crazy because your jaw goes I know I feel

I could never. I know you could never. I've done acupuncture in my knee once and it cured my knee and I hated it so much. I was like, well, I guess I just have to. When my knee pain came back, I was like, well, I can never get that again. And you want to go on Survivor.

Lots of people have needle fears. I'm actually not afraid of needles to get vaccines and stuff. But there's something... It did such a weird sensation. No, it's a different type of needle when it's not the same. And they're leaving it in. And then they're... They're electrocuting you. That's not right. And then you pay them like $120 and then you do it like week after week. And I was kind of actually after he does it, you're all loosened up. He comes in and he like pulls your jaw. It was.

so intense. Every element of that story is something I hate more and more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then, now I can suck down. No, I'm kidding. Now you like open your mouth. Yeah. You can open your jaw so big. But the interesting thing was a mouth guard was like, I really think would help too. But I have not had any jaw issues since. I'm just picturing, like it's a night guard. Like you don't wear a mouth guard during the day. But I was picturing you just like every day.

No, but it was like a very interesting thing that I had a clicking jaw for years. And then these things worked. So there is obviously jaw. There's lots of people who experience jaw issues and jaw pain, especially. If you also are like anxious or stressed, like a lot of people carry their stress by tensing their mouth and clenching their jaw.

I like the beat. I hold the beat and music in my jaw. And I was like, and he actually was like, that's dumb for you to do that. You hold the beat? Like, I'll go like... Like, I'll move my jaw, like, my teeth back and forth, like, too, like, because I listen to music 24-7 to the beat. And then, because he was like, you're not.

like, I don't grind my teeth. I was like, no, but I grind my teeth to the music, my friend. And he was just like, yeah, don't do that. But anyways, my point is that there is something about like jaw issues and even like that.

sort of concept like it worked because the dentist I went to said like she loved this guy but there are like probably people who that doesn't work for I really think that the mouth card in the end was the actual solution I don't know if I needed to electroshock therapy myself into becoming straight for it like And part of me does deep down believe that it's just that I needed a mouth guard at night to like knock, to like lock my jaw. But yeah, it kind of just made me think like,

I can see how people subscribe to different ways of fixing solutions without necessarily knowing what the exact reason is. Yeah. But I ultimately, it's like even when you go on like these subreddits, and I have one other funny thing from the subreddit I'm going to read. But even when you go on them, there's so many posts that are like, how come you still mew even though there's zero scientific evidence? Every now and then someone will be like,

Like, here's, like, something I found. But, like, most people, at least who are, like. Are, like, why are you doing it? Because we know there's no scientific evidence. Or I guess there's a difference between knowing something doesn't work. Like, maybe people hold out faith. Like, there just hasn't been research on it. And that's fair. I think that's.

That's a lot of people right now. And that's a lot of people in a lot of spaces. Yeah, intermittent fasting. Yeah, well, there's evidence for that. Girl, do we need to do a part two? It ain't coming in very well, my friend. That's not true. That is true.

Oh, we're going to fight. I literally have a new meta-analysis that can... Oh, okay. Put it in. Put it in the list. We're doing intermittent fasting part two, and there are going to be arguments. It's like, A, it's not necessarily harming people. If it is, they'll probably realize it's having a negative impact on them. Two, they might go, well, there's not like a study that disproves or shows that it doesn't work. So maybe there's just no research yet. Yeah, why not?

But something I found interesting on that same massive Reddit guideline, it said, it was a section that was called... Proposed practices for fastest results. So this is under mewing. And then there's a section like called healthy diet. Quality sleep, anaerobic exercise, HIIT training, fasting, sunbathing, grounding, and nofap. So you're like, okay, this was like one of the things. So I'm like, some of these categories. Like the cum in your balls is going to go.

Go up and make that Mewtwo? I don't know. Oh, there was also a list of supplements. So at that point, you're modifying so many other things. Of course, if you're suddenly doing aerobic exercise and fasting and sun... bathing and getting quality sleep like your body is gonna change also there was it was like a big part of the incel community mewing yeah i guess it's but i'm like sometimes i'm just like

what like what like apparently it was like a big thing well to modify your body i guess anyone who's feeling insecure about their sexual attractiveness or yeah yeah but like it is just so interesting when you're like reading a study and all of a sudden they're just like oh yeah incels do it and you're just like okay what is happening like what like that to then you're just like okay now I'm like

really lost because it's just like this is how does like a i mean it's easy i think many many more people than in cells do it and it's easy to just like take a group that like but apparently there was like a like in the like growth of the insult movement of like 2018 19 there was a mewing move it's just like that is so weird but but um there's no non like there's no peer sorry peer reviewed in there really is no reliable research on this and and all the

reliable resources are people saying that talking about the Mew brothers, the popularity, how actual issues need to be addressed by healthcare professionals. You can fix your jaw. You can, if you have issues.

and it's probably genetic and environmental and but but but i guess there's nothing that and those before and afters like they're like it's like fitness before and afters yeah it's like people change their angles they suck things in they flex they do it's easy to fake before and afters or like convince yourself that you had to change because of the way you're like

holding your posture. Well there's like it's kind of like reminding me of like face yoga which is like a goopy new thing like goop as in Gwyneth Paltrow like you suck in like like doing a sour face like and then you like hold it and you're like okay ow that hurts I guess I'm doing something or you blow out one cheek like and then you toss the air to the other cheek like I do that for fun all the time and then you like

just rub up your eyebrow, like literally just like pull your skin above your eyebrows away as if to like pull away your wrinkles and touch under your eyes. It's like, okay, it's all kind of related. It's like, these are, these are.

exercise this feels like this feels like exercise it's a new idea like in some ways or I don't know like I'm pretty sure like goop didn't invent it is probably like truly an ancient practice but it's like it's probably not harming the person and we live in such an insane like optimize your body world that any like we should we could make let's make one up

Right now. Like we could just make one up. We're a sub science. We could truly make a bunch of people. You want to snatch nose. You have to just flare your nostrils five times. And then suck, like squeeze the nostrils and suck. Yeah, and suck.

And try and keep the nostrils closed. And if you do that every day, you'll get a drag queen snatch. You won't even have your makeup anymore. It'll just have like the dark lines and then the little white dot on the tip. And if you kind of like take... your chin and you kind of like squeeze it and then you like release it and release it in a year and a half to two years which is how long they say mewing takes you'll get the little butt chin

uh you'll get a little bit chin and there's like actually a really good timeline because no one will do that for two years and they're like oh i just didn't it probably is because i just didn't commit but i but i i will be on social media getting surgery being like well we we did a little

well liver can't stretches but we just ate liver and then finally we spent thousands of dollars on steroids yeah like it's not that hard to trick people and I think we're in such a social media age of fitness fitness influencers like at a certain point

how many times are we going to tell someone how to like do a bench press? There's a finite amount of content that can be made. So I can imagine it's like easy to be like, wait, no, I'm going to start talking about this jaw thing. Yeah. And I'm going to tell people that here we are talking about. it yeah yeah exactly and and and to be honest it's not like it doesn't seem as insidious as other things it's not yeah but it's all linked it's all linked to men trying to not die

Trying to live forever. There's lots of women who are trying to not die. Yeah. But you know, it's me. So I'm going to pick on the men because it's, I mean, I'm watching YouTube and I'm watching Reddit and it's, it's giving man. Yeah. Lots of things are giving man. Um, yeah.

I think that's the consensus, the conclusion. There's not really evidence for it. Do it if you feel like it, but it's probably not going to make a big difference for you. But I'm sure some people might message it and say it did. So, you know, everything has anecdotal experiences that...

are not supported by evidence and you're and we're gonna keep listening like maybe next week we're gonna talk about those like weird two balls oh yeah we should because i am curious about that again sorry i think i brought I got lost with what I was saying. But when I had that jaw issue, they said it could, they're like, don't chew gum. They're like, don't.

So I'm kind of like, wouldn't a chew ball be bad? But maybe your jaw was being overstimulated or something. But I can't imagine you're not being... Isn't a chew ball epic overstimulation of thine jaw? But maybe not if you don't have jaw problems. Oh, I see. You were sucking too much dick. Okay, so now we're going to move on. Okay, we'll take a little break and then we'll come back. Oh, what was that? Okay, see ya.

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What did we learn this week? So mine's really cool, I think, sort of. But it's like a patch the scientists in South Korea created. It's like a soft, stretchy rubber patch that on one side is smooth. On the other side, it's covered in tiny little suction cups, like three millimeters in size each, designed to be like the suckers of an octopus tentacle. And they're like, if you put...

like smear a medication onto someone's arm, then clamp this on the skin. It will deform and reduce the physical barrier of your skin, allowing the drug to go into your skin. two-fifths of the way through your human skin, therefore, like, absorbing the drug into you without needles. And, like, although there's only sort of one antibiotic that they...

Test it, but they did it on pig skin. Then they did it on cadavers. They didn't do the drug part, but on humans, they tried to see if there was irritation and there wasn't. And it would even absorb into the skin half an hour after the whole barrier was removed. It's not...

really like something that can like go to market yet but it's the beginning of this idea of being able for people to like self-administer drugs at home that would otherwise require potentially vaccines yeah and then there's also like we did with our vaccine videos for covid people who

are genuinely scared of needles who don't get vaccines because of needles yeah it's a lot higher than you might think so it'll also help with that and i was just like i love when they use nature to do cool stuff yeah it feels like all the answers are in nature Or even like it feels like all the answers are in octopuses. Yeah. There's such a lore around them. I love octopuses. I know. It's like.

don't order that on the menu. So sad. People are really good at being like octopus on the menu. And then like, obviously not thinking about looking, I guess like when you see tentacles, is that why? Or I also, it's so popular. I guess it's just seafood. Yeah, it's just sheep. There's a lot of squid. I also think it's like an interesting sort of like class thing. Like it's usually expensive. It's like very much like if you're at a restaurant and like...

Someone goes, what's the best dish? Like, they're always like, oh, the octopus. Like, there's something about, it's like lobster vibes. But it's like, and I think people are actually very good at cognitively being like, oh, yummy, a potato that looks like, like, they don't think about it. Well, that's every.

thing we eat that's an animal it's pretty dissociated from what the actual thing is but the octopus one comes and you're like not so tentacle oh that's when it's worse yeah that's when you're actually like that's the full animal but that's what's so crazy is like i'm like i still think like and i'm guilty of it too like you can turn your

rain off whereas like when a slab of like pork yeah it looks more generic yeah it doesn't remind you at all of a pig whoa anyways we went there but it was like it's based off it's called like it's not called the octopus patch but in my head i'm like that's freaking cool and i can just picture that

In the future. The Puss Patch. The Puss Patch. Send that to the South Korean scientists. We have an idea for the name Puss Patch. But I can just think in the future, if that happens, it'd be really interesting. Cause like the needles. I mean, like I prefer to like, just have something I can suction onto my arm to be honest. And it's like giving like sci-fi future, like suction, the physics of suction is like rad.

Okay, mine is very relevant to anyone who counts calories. My boyfriend. Okay, yeah, I have my fitness pal. Okay, I saw like a viral tweet that was like, after you give a blowjob. It's like gay guys swallowing. Oh, one second. I just have to log it in my fitness. I thought you were going to say, yeah, like logging the activity of it as well. No, no. Logging like the calories.

Okay. So I just thought this was really interesting. There's, you know, people are obsessed with like calorie counting or just like thinking of food in a very specific way. And I know that it's very contentious because some people are like, it's not just calories, calories out, calories in versus calories out. This gives another piece to the puzzle.

Which is that there is a major flaw with calorie counting. And here's, I want to share some evidence. You just like keep edging the whole time. Okay. So there's research into eating almonds that found two very... awesome insights. You are still doing it. Number one, they found that

A calorie labeled is not the same as a calorie digested. So in the case of almonds, about 20% of the calories come from fat and does not actually get absorbed. But yet the calories on like a package of almonds will represent...

how many calories are actually in them. The fat in almonds doesn't get absorbed as much as... 20% of the fat of almonds is like... does not get absorbed into the human body okay so that's one angle of it and they found this with nuts in general like they're not totally bioavailable they just sometimes you can even just like see nuts in your stool movement afterwards

Okay. And so that's important because a lot of people, A, are afraid of eating nuts because they're very high calorie. Why? What? It's like nuts are so healthy. I know, but they're really dense in calories. So people are like, oh, it's not a good diet food. But number two, another study found that...

different people absorb different amounts of calories from almonds, even between twins. So like the actual, the difference from a handful of almonds. You're like, the way you're looking at me is so intense. I've never seen it. You're so overworked by almonds. Some people get 56 calories out of a handful and some people get 168 calories.

Whoa. So that's a pretty huge difference between a handful of almonds. So one twin's shitting out almonds and the other one's not. Yeah, their body's just not digesting it. And I think it's important. That is so true. I think within the context of your own body, you can track calories because it might give you a reference point of like what I ate.

before what i'm eating but you won't ever know if it's just like an app like the app i uses is like so arbitrary yeah or what i mean though is like especially in the conversations of like some people's bodies just actually absorb more food or like digest food more yeah not the same you eating the exact same meals as me will not result in our bodies being yeah that's important i think like

I understand when you're doing calorie counting for yourself, but as soon as you start to put it on other people, it's like, what do you mean put it on other people? Well, a lot of people will be like, Oh, if you're, if you're a bigger body, you just need to eat less. And it's like that you might be bigger body in the first place because your body's like,

at absorbing things on top of many different things like hormonal differences and this. So I think a lot of, not a lot of the people who are rude and in the fitness industry sometimes like talk down to people like, all you have to do is cut your calories and it's not.

And on top of that, there's so many like the way people's brains work is like different. But this was just one interesting fact. The exact same food can lead to different calories. That's important to remember. And almonds are good.

Almonds are really, nuts are really, really healthy. Definitely eat them. Don't be afraid of their high calorie count. Yeah, you might not even be absorbing them. You might just be like shitting on them. And that's good. A little bit of fiber, a little bit of stool filler.

Um, yeah. So that's all I have. Like, do we want to go on to a comment corner? Okay. So you can get in touch with us, ask us questions, or even just tell us how you feel about us talking about a sucking dick all the time, uh, at ASAP science. dot com slash chat. Yeah. Comment.

hi guys oh my gosh i just want to say i love you guys so much like you guys are actually my day ones because i started watching you guys when i was like 10 and now i'm in my second year of university and Wednesdays are like the highlight of my day whenever you guys drop a new podcast and I always watch your ASAP signs videos like you guys were my childhood and are still a big part of my life but

Yeah, my question for you guys is what has been the most fulfilling part of ASAP science and everything you've created with it? so that was from by Ravi I'm not sure how you pronounce it sorry wait how old was she we're so old we're old always a nice little reminder that we're old but actually in a lot of ways that's beautiful that we've been able to do this for so long

That was really sweet. So the question is, what are we most proud of? The most fulfilling. Oh, did I not listen properly? Yeah, I know. No, no, no. She said most fulfilling. Proud. Same vibes. Same word. Yeah, good question. Oh boy, I just went cross-eyed. Yeah, wait. Definitely like, okay. Our poppers video? No, I'm kidding. Yeah, I really liked when I explained to people how poppers changes your whole. Okay, episode done.

No. Well, kombucha girl. There is something about... So weird that that's Brittany Broski. Yeah. She really did a good job of getting herself out of that name. I feel like... It's such an interesting, great question because I have always been obsessed with science and I never thought I'd be able to be someone who like makes other people interested in science. That's probably the most fulfilling part. But I do think there is something about like.

talking about poppers or like when you go of typical science communication yeah or just like science communication we've talked about it a million times on this podcast ever it's so mask and british stoic man boring that like I do find that when we talk about like things that we are like more involved with, like eating. I can't. I'm like, can we edit this? I can't. But there's something that is like videos that don't. Yeah, that other.

people wouldn't make and just being like these are like this is important information but i also think that whenever we've sort of done videos but yeah it's things that we care about so like things that we actually stick our note neck out for like the science of being transgender being valid the science of abortions and how like messed up the way that like America is going is from a scientific perspective like making those videos like challenging like

the government for like like looking for oil in indigenous waters like all those videos are the ones that like on my deathbed like oh she died I'm gonna be thinking about and they're weirdly like I don't know, not like they're hard to make, but they're like hard to... Yeah, they're hard to make for some reason. And yeah, there's not... People hate on you for them.

It's crazy. It takes a different kind of toll to put something out there that you know lots of people will be angry about. And it's also really... messed up now that I'm reflecting is like the ones I care about are actually the ones that I'm like okay everyone's mad at me because I like said that like transgender people like are scientifically real you know what I mean it's just like

it's just crazy. It's just crazy. Like, like the fulfilling aspect of ASAP science has come out of challenge. And then whenever we're like, Is weed bad? It's like it's not that fulfilling. Yeah. It's easy to get into a lot of water. Everyone loves them. Yeah, I think mine's pretty similar. I'll try and say something different, but I agree about just being two queer people in STEM, despite still being men.

I think that we fill a different niche, especially that 11 or 12 years ago was like... difficult and didn't exist and it was like we didn't really have like science girlies as much but now we do i feel like there's more of them science girlies well i just feel like there was only men we had to hang with at the beginning oh now i feel like there's a bunch of like stem girlies that are like

No, you just stop calling them girlies. Okay, so I'm women. Yeah, I'm just like, you're like infantilizing them. I'm just, no, I'm sorry. I only say that out of love as a gay man who likes to have my girlies around. Okay, I just like, I don't know why that word is triggering me so hard.

I go to a new space and I see girls. I'm going to go walk over there. I guess you mean like when we did it in the early days, there were zero. Yeah, or at least that we were getting to meet. There weren't zero, but we were going to lots of events and stuff where it was just all straight men.

Who also like many of them have been so great. It's not to like. Oh yeah. No, they are. But outside of that, I don't know. I think just like that we've done it for so long, which on the one hand, it's like a double edged sword. Like on the one hand, I'm kind of like. we've done it for so long like she's like well i was actually five years old and now i'm in second year university and it's like you guys are still talking at me but it's fine

So, yeah, that's the one hand of being like, wow, should we stop? But the other is like, they just have had this random idea and tried to do this thing. And then 12 years later, it'd be like... whoa, we're like still doing this. And I do still think we're like making videos that we find interesting. And it's like, not only are we lucky to get to still do it because lots of people have come in. It's so fun. I think it's like. I am proud of Just Like That.

made that a reality yeah and i often like in a selfish way it's like from a fulfilling standpoint like i love learning i've always loved learning that's why we started this and now i'm like oh i still get to learn yeah like every day about that

I won't say on here, but I was just like really high the other day. It was just like, no, you can say you got high. In fact, in the last week, you've been high a lot more than me. Oh, I'm Buddha. I've been in a dark place. Okay. Wait, but what was the high thought?

Or just really thinking about how like to be youthful is to learn new things. So on the... on the one hand it's like we have done asap science for so long and it's kind of become like the same thing where you have the formula to make a new video of course we're learning new things but greg sent a video from his spanish class where you guys were like saying the words out loud it was like

as a class and it reminded me of literally being in kindergarten and I was like oh my gosh you're literally a young person like young children have to be like learning it's so hard to learn that age and i was just thinking like

That's how people stay young. It's not just like casually like, oh, I'm learning new facts. It's like, no, how can you put yourself in situations where you're like learning something that's actually so you don't know anything about and you're going to actually put your brain in the mindset.

of a three-year-old. Yeah. Which is where I'm not with Spanish. Who knows how to speak, but is now like knowing, having to learn something actually challenging, like proper grammar. I don't know. I just thought that's an interesting way. Lifelong, like it's very like...

you know like live laugh love like lifelong learner but it's like that is actually probably like one of the most important things my parents instilled in me they're lifelong learners and like it just sounds so basic but i'm like me too and it's like it is it is it is so healthy and it does bring youth and i truly in class i'm like i'm a kid like i'm big i'm like but it's sometimes difficult to sorry to cut you off sorry you did but continue

I was just saying, sometimes it's difficult to put yourself in the difficult situation. Well, that's because you have toxic masculinity. No. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Sometimes you're doing something and you're like, this is really hard. It's way easier to do the thing that you're an expert at. No, but it's... No, I guess it's just like... because yeah okay maybe my parents made me think it's so easy and it's like i do have like i'm very

I'm into self-deprecation. So I like to be kind of like, I'm not afraid of failing, which I think is maybe what you're saying. Some people don't want to go. It feels really hard to be like, oh, I'm actually bad at something. If you're learning something new, you're going to be bad at it.

Yeah. And there's, there's an element that is like the fear of failing, but the other element of like, it's actually very hard to do something new, but it's one thing to like learn another science study. It's another.

Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? Like I'm like the other end is actually being like, well, that's what I started thinking. Like an old brain is a brain that's not being challenged in those news ways, which is like a brain that has nothing left to do. Well, everyone in my class.

obviously if you're listening like there are some that are like my age but like most people are like 60 plus that's cool that's what i mean i'm like i feel like maybe you realize something even like me with bird watching i'm like it's so hard and i'm learning so much but like everyone's really old like i bet that it does come with retirement You probably start to go, wait, I need.

to keep my brain youthful by doing and learning new things so you're just it's like it might be a realization that comes to a lot of people no what i was gonna say was that i like am a child and i realized that like all my teachers were always like you don't shut up and now i'm like i'm disrupting a Spanish class. You are. You're the one. No, I'm not. By the way, we both are taking this Spanish class, but on different days, I'm absolutely silent. It takes so much out of me to go like...

Hola. Like a guy came up to me and he was just like, you're so funny to me that you just shout everything. Like you just shout out. And I was like, what? I should be in this class with you. No, because she'll always say like,

pan comida which means like piece of cake it's like whenever you're saying she'll be like pan comida and she'll be like that's what that means yeah because like it's like it's like she's like trying to be like she's just so exuberant and i just like feed into it but also i get I realize I'm like, okay, I'm like not.

we'll do a video on ADHD, but I get bored. Like when things need to be, if things are easy, things are easy and no offense to everyone in the class, but sometimes I'm like, come on, it's a stop. You've already taken classes. No, but so are a lot of people. I'm just like, am I a genius? No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But when I get bored, I just like, I just start shouting out and just like.

saying funny shit like literally like trying to like punchline like she'll say something and it'll kind of remind me of something funny then I'll like quip in a joke and like everyone will laugh but and she'll laugh but she'll also be like shut the fuck up. And let's focus. And she'll always say things like Felice or she'll be like...

Like Greg is always happy or like literally things like, like, like Greg is loud. Like she'll like comment on me, like my presence. And I'm like, this is the shit that my teachers always said to my parents. They're like, he doesn't shut up. He like. gets the work done and like i can't really complain but he's ruining it for everyone and i'm like and i'm just like oh my god like i'm it is reminding me of kid vibes like if she had to give a report card to you she'd be like

he's doing fine, but he's, he's like yelling out insane shit and it's distracting everyone. And it's like compulsive. Like I'm not. I'm not like, it doesn't feel like I have control. Like the pan comita thing. Like I'm always like pan comita. Like you yell it out. I just yell it after we all do things. And then she's like, yeah, pan comita. You know what? Our class could use one of you though, because we, no one in our class really says.

like anything that loud so it ends up being very awkward but sometimes our teacher is like ask me questions someone wants to answer this or someone has to ask a question or someone give me something yeah the other day she was like greg that was an amazing question

Because it was like the idea of you plural and you, someone asked like, I'm just like, everyone's like, I'm turning off this podcast. It's like bragger. And I'm like, I really don't like bragging, but I'm just, I was like, it was an interesting question. And okay. You know how you say E2 and you if it's one person? She was sort of being like, well, when do you use the you plural?

like you status or, um, in like Spain, they use a different thing. And she was like, no, no, you'll always respond to you. But then I was like, wait, but like, no, if a class of people said like, We love you. Yeah, she would be like, and she was like, whoa, yeah, you would have to switch it to the plural. Yeah, or to the plural of you because...

it's not going right back and forth. She's not, it's not always E2. And I was just like, oh, okay. I think people weren't understanding what the plural of you was and actually I wasn't even either until, wow, now it's just like, yeah, people are like, we've moved on. Yeah, they're like, we're not here for a Spanish lesson. So thank you for that question. If you made it here. Yeah. Thanks for listening. I'm just learning because I do think Bad Bunny like one day is going to be by and ask me out.

And then he's going to be like, oh, have you been viewing your jaws? Great. And I'm going to be like, have you been viewing? And he's going to be like, no, it's filler. Okay. Okay. Bye. Peace. Asapscience.com slash chat. And you can be on the pod. Yeah, we'd love to hear your voices. So peace. Sometimes an identity threat is a ring of professional hackers.

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