ESPN's Scott Van Pelt on a Possible Big Change

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to SI Media with a Jimmy trainer. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for listening. [SPEAKER_00]: We've got Scott Man's help. [SPEAKER_00]: For me as we end on the show today, Scott is always an outstanding guest. [SPEAKER_00]: Today was a different guy to a lot of top looks with Scott. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, a lot of rumors out there he may move to five o'clock. [SPEAKER_00]: We can get into that.

[SPEAKER_00]: and the overall sort of state of sports media a lot of topics we covered there with Mr. Van Pelton, then of course, Salakata, follows Van Pelton for our weekly train of thoughts segment. [SPEAKER_00]: Before we get into it, quick reminder. [SPEAKER_00]: If you missed any recent episodes, check them out in the archives and subscribe to as I meet you at the Jimmy Traina. [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Drico from NBC Sports was on the pod last week, Laura Rotlidge from ESPN two weeks ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have some thoughts on both of those interviews, so they come in the train at Thoughts segment with South so you could hear that. [SPEAKER_00]: I also had Peter Schreger and Andrew Perlott for our year-end to extra have against a Joe Buck on the pod recently as well. [SPEAKER_00]: If you missed any of those, check them out in the archives, subscribe slash follow the podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: Please and also a [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Apple. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Scott van Pelt for me is PN followed by Silicon and Trinidad thoughts. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, here, right now on SI Media with Jimmy Trana. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, join me now. [SPEAKER_00]: He's one of my favorites when he comes on. [SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate him because I know he's been extremely busy this week. [SPEAKER_00]: We saw him Saturday, Sunday, no, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, all over the place, Scott Vamp. [SPEAKER_00]: Help. [SPEAKER_00]: Scott, how are you?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm well, Jimmy. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy to be home and available to the visit with you. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, give me, give me like the schedule the last few days. [SPEAKER_00]: But where, where, where, where, let's see. [SPEAKER_04]: Sunday, we were in New England. [SPEAKER_04]: It was divisional playoff day in the snow. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: And then we left there at halftime. [SPEAKER_04]: We were lucky to get out of Foxbrook.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cause they started snowing pretty heavily. [SPEAKER_04]: And then as it got later in the day, it got, [SPEAKER_04]: the weather got way more prohibitive went down to Miami in Miami for Monday National Championship game between Indiana and Miami then after that game we drove north the Palm Beach Gardens Tuesday night we did TGL with Tiger and his team against Justin Rose Colomore, Kossoth,

[SPEAKER_04]: I get it sort of niche and whatever with golf indoors and it's like how's it rating is doing really well with young folks and just that and the other thing, but it's just kind of growing the game will go off with an indoor version like think people to play it, you know, you hit on mats in your basement or in the garage or whatever, this is the. [SPEAKER_04]: version of it if money were no object.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we were in so far for TGL on Tuesday and then I'm here now and we're doing or after an NBA game tonight, Jimmy and Steven, I just taped a pod. [SPEAKER_04]: I said, I think we're going to Canada for a hockey game Thursday. [SPEAKER_04]: Why wouldn't we? [SPEAKER_04]: Then we'll just go to the Australian Open and Hangout for a couple of weeks.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, no, I mean, the last three days were pretty busy, which comes at the end of a busy season of traveling, but [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, these are the big events, they're the fun events being on the field Monday nights incredible, being a New England on Sundays and incredible. [SPEAKER_04]: So no complaining, just the reality of what you know what you sign up for.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I really appreciate you saying yes to doing this after you were happy to those three events, but also like, what is the body response when you go from New England and the snow to Miami? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's, well, that's, that's [SPEAKER_04]: Better than the other way, right? [SPEAKER_04]: You go from the snow to the warp.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank your body is happy to be in humidity There's the skin isn't dry and cracking and it's it was funny Jimmy because when I got to down to Miami It was in the maybe in the upper 40s and people are dressed up like like it's the you know

[SPEAKER_04]: like it's the game of thrones and the white blockers are approaching right i mean there are puffy coats and they're not gonna survive the day perhaps because it's it's not in the 60s 70s or 80s but i got to tell you you know cool ish on Monday night Miami i guess maybe but no man it was it was beautiful you know what it's like when you can get down there i feel feel some sun on your face is very welcome [SPEAKER_00]: 40s is like, you know, t-shirt with a hoodie over it.

[SPEAKER_00]: No jacket. [SPEAKER_04]: You're fine. [SPEAKER_04]: You're fine. [SPEAKER_04]: Not if you're lived out of Miami. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not. [SPEAKER_04]: It's where's the puffy coat? [SPEAKER_04]: Where's the beanie? [SPEAKER_04]: Where are my gloves? [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna have to go brave the winter to go out in my car to drive wherever I'm going. [SPEAKER_04]: But it was like I said, it was good time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to start with something bizarre only because I feel like you would appreciate this. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I always do a little research on whoever's coming on, even wouldn't mind how well I know them or don't know them. [SPEAKER_00]: And when I put your name in a Google search, and I hit news to see what's the latest going on. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be impelled. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: This is just this shows you.

[SPEAKER_00]: How completely screwed we are as a society and how the internet is the worst thing that's ever been created. [SPEAKER_00]: The first thing that came up for Scott VanPelt news was quote, and it was from A.O.L.Dock. [SPEAKER_00]: It was A.O.L. [SPEAKER_00]: and Yahoo, it was one of those. [SPEAKER_00]: And it said, ESPN Scott VanPelt. [SPEAKER_00]: has medical scare, says, hard got out of whack.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now the first thing through my head is, I'm supposed to interview Scott Van Peltmornies having a metal scare, what I click it, and the article is from 2022, yet that is the first thing that comes up when your name is put into a Google search. [SPEAKER_00]: Does that give you any concern? [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think that's really disturbing. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you said it at the start.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the internet and the search engine, God knows it could have led you anywhere. [SPEAKER_04]: That did happen. [SPEAKER_04]: It was always meant to do the show following the National Championship game. [SPEAKER_04]: And I got on the peloton in my heart rate spiked and it wouldn't come down. [SPEAKER_04]: And I actually had to, that was, that was not a fun afternoon. [SPEAKER_04]: I actually had to go.

[SPEAKER_04]: an ambulance, they gave me this shot of stuff that basically stopped your heart for a second, which is not a great time, but the second that they do that, it just, everything was fine. [SPEAKER_04]: But I did have a medical scare. [SPEAKER_04]: I did, that did happen. [SPEAKER_04]: And so that is part of my history. [SPEAKER_04]: But the fact that that's the first thing. [SPEAKER_00]: First, I mean, it was AOL.com. [SPEAKER_00]: I just re-looked it up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, hey, have you had any issues since then? [SPEAKER_00]: You've been a hundred percent. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I, I, [SPEAKER_04]: I did I did a full battery of tests with right I mean I'm lucky I this is my home town I know some people who know some people you get in with some heart doctors and they put you through a battery of tests and they came to Realize that I was dehydrated.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's actually funny to recall what it was that the the Raiders and the chargers that played a game the night before which [SPEAKER_04]: went to overtime in the outcome of it was going to determine who made the playoffs it was wild and it was really late night. [SPEAKER_04]: And then I got up the next day and I hadn't eaten anything or I hadn't had any water and then I got on the bike.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was dehydrated and I exercised and my heart rate just spiked and it didn't come back down and they determined that it was a one-off. [SPEAKER_04]: They did, I mean, we check for everything. [SPEAKER_04]: Blockages, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right. [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, I'm knocking on wood at the moment. [SPEAKER_04]: I've been lucky that nothing else happened

[SPEAKER_00]: Lots has happened since then for that to be the first search is kind of a curiosity, but no, thankfully I'm not currently in the middle of a medical episode or immediately on the back end of one my guess is I'm gonna guess that because the national title game was on Monday that maybe someone Re-publish it or did something to bump that up the Google search, but you know, it's crazy But that it does sound like it was best possible outcome.

[SPEAKER_00]: You've had no wishes since then. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: but they stopped your heart like just hearing those words can f with your brain. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, okay, so I don't know we're going to go down this road in the back of an ambulance and the guy says you may feel funny for a second and then The you feel like I don't know how to describe it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just feels like your body feels warm for a second and you're like, and then, okay, and I said, what the fuck was that? [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, well, it stops your heart for a second. [SPEAKER_04]: I said, you might want to tell somebody [SPEAKER_04]: He said, well, we don't want to say that because then it might freak you out. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, well, yeah, but you're going to feel a little funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't quite describe the... [SPEAKER_04]: the turning it off and turning it on. [SPEAKER_04]: But it's in that amazing Jimmy that like your phone, your computer, it doesn't work. [SPEAKER_04]: What did you turn it off and turn it on? [SPEAKER_04]: It can't be a sense. [SPEAKER_04]: That's what they did. [SPEAKER_04]: You turn it off and turn it back on and then the whole whatever was happening. [SPEAKER_04]: By the time I got to the hospital, the guy was like, you're fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I literally, I asked the doctor, I said, I'm supposed to do it goes, I know what you do, you got a big game, then I said, can I go to work? [SPEAKER_04]: And he paused for a second and he said, you could. [SPEAKER_04]: But we stopped your heart and you came to the hospital in ambulance. [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you go home to your family. [SPEAKER_04]: And I said, I'm gonna do that. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it sucks to miss the big ones because the big shows are the most fun shows. [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, Monday night, I'm sitting there talking to Fernando Mendoza who couldn't be a more wonderful young man and story. [SPEAKER_04]: And you're in the arena on the field talking to the guy. [SPEAKER_04]: Like those are the games, man. [SPEAKER_04]: Those are the most fun things.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, you miss, you don't want to miss one of those because only a few of them come around a year. [SPEAKER_04]: But I took the doctor's council that night and I came home and thought, I'm glad I'm coming back here driving and you know, we're, we're fine. [SPEAKER_00]: It is funny when you, when you were first home, that story in my head I'm going. [SPEAKER_00]: How on earth do they not give you a little heads up that they're going to do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Then I'm thinking of myself. [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine you lay in there and they go we're gonna stop your heart. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, please don't do that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, please can we not get up your heart. [SPEAKER_03]: No, but it's, uh, it's something. [SPEAKER_03]: It was, I, it's one of those, I'll play remember. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll put it that way. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Play this, been no instance since all that'll be easy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess compared to this. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to go to five o'clock? [SPEAKER_04]: I have absolute no idea. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to go to five o'clock? [SPEAKER_04]: It I don't know what it is. [SPEAKER_04]: What is it? [SPEAKER_04]: What am I doing Jimmy? [SPEAKER_04]: Work shop at for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me what I'm doing if I'm One of the questions I had is I do feel like with your night show the night version of sports center I feel like you have a decent amount of time because it's usually an hour maybe more after big events Yeah five o'clock it would be 30 minutes. [SPEAKER_00]: I would assume. [SPEAKER_04]: That's not a lot of time. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a lot of time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I have absolutely no idea [SPEAKER_04]: As we sit here right now, the only thing that was ever discussed, and I don't want to get to in the weeds with this, because I don't want to speak for him, but, I mean, it's been reported. [SPEAKER_04]: Like over the summer, we're still when I talked about the idea of doing, we did SVP in Resilio years ago. [SPEAKER_04]: We talked about the idea of, could we do it in a TV format? [SPEAKER_04]: And we talked about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Berks on the record talking about it, we talked about it. [SPEAKER_04]: And that was a fun thing to think about because it's like man, you know, Ryan has created his own very successful link. [SPEAKER_04]: And to reassemble in a different time and all of our lives in a different format, where we'd have to be more nimble, right, in only 20-some-out minutes of actual content. [SPEAKER_04]: That was appealing.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he has a million different irons in the fire and options. [SPEAKER_04]: And ultimately, we just couldn't get there. [SPEAKER_04]: And he can sort of describe the reasons why I don't want to speak for him, other than I will speak for him and saying, both of us were excited about, man, wouldn't this be cool, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, because we haven't done that show in more than a decade and there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there's still, there still, there still, there still, there still, there still, there still, there still

[SPEAKER_04]: We've gone through enough runway that I'm wondering, like, is this going to be a thing? [SPEAKER_04]: I thought maybe, but again, Ryan has done so well that he had so many different options that figuring out or you're going to have to put other things on the side to do just this. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, again, that's where I don't want to say for him exactly what led it not to happen because that's for him.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, we were certainly, we didn't talk about it once for five minutes, like we talked about it. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he and I and whatever, but things are tricky. [SPEAKER_04]: You know, he lives a Manhattan Beach, you know, he's got a really good, got a really good set up. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not asking him to abandon any of that.

[SPEAKER_04]: for a TV show but but if you looked at it pragmatically and you thought let's look at the runway here and figure out what could it be down the road could it evolve into something more could it be the last thing you do if it's good look at Tony and Mike man there they'll do it forever and it'll be a great show forever [SPEAKER_04]: And that to me was appealing, the idea of something was someone you really like, and if it succeeded, that that could work.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so when that, when that became not the direction that this would go, then it becomes, well, okay, so what would it be? [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: I love doing the shows that I do after the big events, because there's nothing else like it. [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing. [SPEAKER_04]: And I know that the players, the coaches, and the leagues all appreciate what we do, and how we do it. [SPEAKER_04]: I know that for a fact, because I've heard from them.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I don't want to abandon that. [SPEAKER_04]: But what would five o'clock be to date? [SPEAKER_04]: I don't have like some rundown or some run-of-show [SPEAKER_04]: I believe we'll talk about it. [SPEAKER_04]: I'll tell you that because I think they're interested in talking about it and I appreciate that they're interested in talking to me about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but if it isn't something that... [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not just going to do it for a reason to try to open up my contract to say we gave Steven a 20 million. [SPEAKER_04]: What, what am I worth? [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And frankly, that becomes, I'm not going to money grab it. [SPEAKER_04]: just because somebody else got paid a gigantic amount of money and try to figure out, okay, well, like, how do I approach that?

[SPEAKER_04]: But opening up your deal, Jimmy, in this business is the only way you ever get a chance to really do that. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not a, the money is just an as interesting to me as my life. [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't want to work 200 and some odd days a year to do a show to say, I make this money that I can't, [SPEAKER_04]: Spend on vacations with my family.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got I'm in a great spot of being able to have time off and do things I like I'm not I'm not in a rush to Put more on my plate just so you could say hey you and Martian and Dich in a Randall all the people that talk about this can be like hey vampire You know, he's gonna get the giant bag although he could get my money never interest you the way like Steven A's does which is fine by me [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about anybody's money. [SPEAKER_04]: Good. [SPEAKER_04]: Why Park?

[SPEAKER_04]: I watch people. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't get wild. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've never, that's, I couldn't kill us about that. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, either do I. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's my point. [SPEAKER_00]: That's my point. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this. [SPEAKER_00]: I care about it in the standpoint of like, when you hear like Tom Brady's getting 375 million from Fox, you go holy shit. [SPEAKER_00]: That's unbelievable.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I put it away, but I seem to do a pizza Hut at, I say, this Tom really need the money from pizza Hut, but that's really the extent of like, I don't care if someone makes 20 million, 40 million, 50 million. [SPEAKER_00]: You get what you can get and you'd be happy with what you can get and you should get as much as you can get. [SPEAKER_00]: That's my philosophy on it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm more interested in like, you know, you'd go from an hour to a half hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd maybe have more eyeballs on sets

[SPEAKER_04]: our shows are highest rated studio show we have i mean because we follow games so i i wouldn't have more eyeballs at five but i don't like i i'm as famous as i need to be i don't say it to be a prick but like what i mean i'm six six and i'm ball and i've done this twenty five years i got in the world people know who you are like i don't i'm not worried about the numbers of people at five or eleven doesn't to me what all the matters to me is this is is it a show i want to do because i don't i don't oh you do what are you doing

[SPEAKER_04]: that's kind of the point. [SPEAKER_04]: It's is that I enjoy the big event sports centers. [SPEAKER_04]: But okay, what if you get to still do the big event sports centers and then you do something that's on a daily show. [SPEAKER_04]: Look, a couple of years ago when you and I did this and I said, I'm not going to be doing this in half many years. [SPEAKER_04]: What I meant is grinding out 200 sports centers a year.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't want to be disrespectful to what the show is. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just the appetite [SPEAKER_04]: It I'm not in the trenches, but it's every day doing it. [SPEAKER_04]: Are you gonna eventually not be any good at your job or it's obvious that you're not as good as you used to be. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to be in that spot.

[SPEAKER_04]: So doing big event sports center when your legs going to 100 miles an hour because the adrenaline of the moment is so real and you're the one on there's nothing like that. [SPEAKER_04]: So I wouldn't want to.

[SPEAKER_00]: abandon that well I I had per gone in late November Burke Magnus and he said what he said if you got five o'clock we would still see you around the big events right and we've had right and we've had we've all had that conversation okay so let me ask you are there any pros to five o'clock in your eyes

[SPEAKER_04]: Sure, if you can come up with a cool concept that you're interested in doing, because the way I always figure it is if I'm interested in the topics and I'm interested in the guests, then you're going to be interesting to your viewers. [SPEAKER_04]: And so if we can find a sweet spot of something that makes sense and Tony and Mike can still do yesterday's stuff at 6 o'clock, 6 o'clock, 6 o'clock or 5 o'clock, 5 o'clock, 5 o'clock.

[SPEAKER_04]: They can still do yesterday at 5 o'clock and such a compelling way because it's them. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And so they before sports center and stuff, like, whether it's get up, first take back if he before all that stuff was on during the daytime, them doing that when PTSD I started. [SPEAKER_04]: That was sort of the first the first word on yesterday's stuff, right? [SPEAKER_04]: And somehow all these years later, it's still resonates.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's still, uh, it's still tracks. [SPEAKER_04]: That's credit to both Tony and Mike and ride home and that whole crew. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you thought about this, do you feel like if you went to five o'clock, you would only want to have one partner, or could you see it where it's like Scott Vampelt and friends and you can shuffle in, you know, one day it's Kyle Brandt, one day it's Kevin Clark, one day it's damn for Steve, like, could you do it that way?

[SPEAKER_04]: To me, Stanford Steve's got to be there all at all times, right? [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to do it. [SPEAKER_04]: He's my guy. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And when I did sports center initially, I said, Stanford Steve has to come along. [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, what's he going to do? [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to be Stanford Steve. [SPEAKER_04]: And they said, what's that? [SPEAKER_04]: I go, I don't know. [SPEAKER_04]: He's just, we'll figure it out.

[SPEAKER_04]: And now he's become his own star unto himself, which is awesome. [SPEAKER_04]: But he's important to me, and I'm not doing it if he's not part of it. [SPEAKER_04]: I'll just say that. [SPEAKER_04]: He's too important to me, unless he doesn't want to do it, which I mean, he could tell me that. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, I don't know, Jimmy. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's the idea of not driving home at 130 in the morning every night.

[SPEAKER_04]: At some point, probably, yeah, that I could see how that would be appealing to have more [SPEAKER_04]: But again, that's not, it isn't worth it to try to chase a bag and go to bed earlier for show I don't want to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so this is where there are creative people, you know, the faucets and the maquades and the burkin and across the board, people who are part of our show right now that it's really just a matter of getting in a on a zoom or in a room together and just like, what would it be? [SPEAKER_04]: And again, I'm really grateful for the fact that they're willing to have that conversation with me.

[SPEAKER_04]: But there is a zillion talented people at ESPN that could fill that spot and do something great with it. [SPEAKER_04]: So if that's what ultimately happens, then cool. [SPEAKER_04]: I just appreciate the fact that, again, that they're willing to have a conversation about, I think what we did at Midnight has succeeded, you know, when we did it more than 10 years ago. [SPEAKER_04]: And I think if we did something at five, I think it could succeed as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: But again, as I sit here with you two day, I don't necessarily have a run to show in my brain that I could imagine what it would be. [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know how you take what we do after games end and make it make sense at [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't want to do, I'm not going to steal PTI's run down even though it's genius. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not doing get up or first take because they've got that covered.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, see what I'm saying is just, it's a tricky other thing. [SPEAKER_04]: When somebody says, oh, what do you want to do? [SPEAKER_04]: And here's this blank canvas. [SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, wait, I'm supposed to paint it. [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm kind of good where I'm at. [SPEAKER_00]: Can I make my pitch? [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're as I sort of any I sort of made it there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I would love to see and I think you've already hit on this with Stanford Steve because you guys do a great job with the podcast and we're going to debate if it's going to be a 30 minute short five o'clock and I think this ties into [SPEAKER_00]: Tony and Michael Woban having so much success and if you want to go to like Mike in the middle of a whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Give me a show with his no former athletes.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are plenty of shows whether you know you mentioned first take you mentioned get up NFL live filled with ex-athletes NFL live they go so hardcore with the exes in those and that's great. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also something to be said about PTI making the mad dog where it's not the x-affleat. [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead. [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no, I'm with me doing my finger here was like, you're on to what we're saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's the chemistry of, of two guys, a guy in a gal, two gals, whoever it is, right? [SPEAKER_04]: It's the chemistry of, of friendship. [SPEAKER_04]: That was at the core of PTI. [SPEAKER_04]: That was the core of Mike and the Mad Dog. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm with you. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you're almost like, you know what it could almost be like?

[SPEAKER_00]: Not like this, but I'm thinking of like the, like, um, [SPEAKER_00]: What's the name of the Andy Cohen Show watch what happens live where it's him with the two chairs you with two chairs give me non X athletes like when show McDermott gets fired

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear from the non it like I'd rather hear like I want to hear from the X athlete don't get me wrong because they have a perspective on the locker room and all this but then I want to hear from the person who didn't go into like who didn't play like what is what do you think about Josh like to get into like the Josh Allen career I'd I'd almost like that more from you than an X athlete because you coming out of it where I'm coming at it from because I'm not an X athlete I get it I just think yeah I think doing

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not doing a different version of get up or first take or PTI isn't they already have that so what was appealing to me about the sports center we did is it none had ever been done like that. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's a template that, you know, that the just thinking out loud of something the way that Obermann did it where you have, like, I did one big thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you had an essay that started your show on today's topic is this thing, and it's an essay that starts your show about the the important topic of the day, and then you dive into that with

[SPEAKER_04]: panelists of some sort, but that's where you probably have, you probably would would wait into the athlete lane, um, I, I think the thing I, the thing that I was always glad that that happened with our show is like, before Lewis Riddick became kind of a star, I felt like we had him on with us a lot on sports center and would have different people like, went like win horse before, like, and I'm not saying we made these people, but just

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm trying to like, Spencer Hall is a writer that I always loved and you like you see him any place else I write Thompson anytime you could talk to write Thompson anytime you like Bill Barnwell like give give people opportunities and lanes like the great people we have. [SPEAKER_04]: are excellent. [SPEAKER_04]: But the problem is every single person, every single show wants them.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when you can create lanes for voices that are heard as much or people who aren't seen as often, you know, like I'm having me know on before I felt before she became like a fixed

[SPEAKER_04]: Giving people lanes and opportunities to be seen and heard is really a cool thing, and our sports center, I mean, Christ, we've done it for a long time, giving it to the folks that aren't necessarily the ex-athletes, but there are people that are voices that are smart, people who are smart, that's appealing, that's appealing. [SPEAKER_04]: I feel you, five o'clock, you love as much runway man, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta really be tight, and I'm not.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I talked too much. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I got it. [SPEAKER_00]: I got it. [SPEAKER_00]: And like here's the, this is the example I should have used. [SPEAKER_00]: So the bills have the press conference today. [SPEAKER_00]: The owner chimed in basically says the coach wanted to key on callman and, you know, basically. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, being was a good soldier. [SPEAKER_04]: I read that right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now every I know that every player because I've already seen on Twitter market speed every player is going to rip the owner every player is going to rip the owner. [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be nice to have like the non-x player be like, you know what can Coleman does think? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not a crime to say that. [SPEAKER_00]: You like should the owner throw his player under the bus? [SPEAKER_00]: No, can we not make can Coleman out to be Jeff just in Jefferson?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like there is the in between. [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: And we don't get the in between with the x play. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I will work shop this further. [SPEAKER_04]: You can be well give you a coordinating producer credit if you come up with a thing that works. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I'm all. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got that. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got that. [SPEAKER_00]: I've got that. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's fine. [SPEAKER_04]: Traina.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well have Tuesdays with Traina. [SPEAKER_04]: You're like more. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even have to be that often. [SPEAKER_00]: Just wants to look more. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny too because you got me because I was going to read that quote from you. [SPEAKER_00]: When you did this podcast June 15th, 2023 and you said there's no chance you'll be doing sports center in three years. [SPEAKER_00]: Here we are two and a half years later. [SPEAKER_04]: See?

[SPEAKER_04]: All right. [SPEAKER_04]: So that means that means we got six months to blow the whole thing up. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: All right. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to make. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't want to be a liar. [SPEAKER_04]: But again, I'm, you know what I, if I didn't make it clear then, I think I just meant that it wasn't, it, man, I don't know, I'm a what did I mean? [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I just meant that it wouldn't be hundreds of years a year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's good. [SPEAKER_00]: It was fine, gaming could, gaming could pop, and then here's the other thing, we'll transition now, if you do five o'clock, and it's only half out of this either part. [SPEAKER_00]: I need Scott Van Pelth doing some non-sports stuff, because I feel like that's almost where you shine the most. [SPEAKER_00]: And I say that because in doing research, I found out now. [SPEAKER_00]: You have a Diet Coke addiction. [SPEAKER_00]: Budoo.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now, I need to know how bad this addiction is. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's, I think every person that has a die-coke addiction wants to act like they have the worst one. [SPEAKER_04]: As if it's a bad debater. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand that, you know? [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I remember vividly when I got to ESPN and boomer was like, Scotty, nobody drinks more than me. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [SPEAKER_04]: I stick around pal.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean I'm going to get a cooler with the bottles. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean literally as we sit here we have an empty one next to me from from earlier doing a pod with Steve. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's I'm not proud of it. [SPEAKER_04]: It's just I constantly am drinking them. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean to famously for ancestors always the guy. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no see he's a canned guy. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't get that that that I find the answer also. [SPEAKER_04]: I got to go bottles.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can also tell you [SPEAKER_00]: from knowing people who worked on that show. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't always die of coke. [SPEAKER_03]: Understood. [SPEAKER_00]: And he wasn't a can guy. [SPEAKER_00]: He was a bottle guy and he would rip the label off. [SPEAKER_03]: Because I see. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm just it. [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I mean, I'm not casting aspersions. [SPEAKER_04]: People could do what they like to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I am strictly a die of coke guy. [UNKNOWN]: I [SPEAKER_04]: So is Diet Coke the first thing in the morning that we grab absolutely wow it's just it makes no sense to people that It doesn't make sense to they think wait, that's it from yep give me one crack it. [SPEAKER_04]: I'll drink you right before I go to bed my body I'm in I'm immune to it the cow the caffeine will keep me up not me jack [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm not way too.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can have coffee at 11 o'clock and I can be sleeping at 11 15. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's what a gift. [SPEAKER_04]: What a gift. [SPEAKER_04]: Because there are people that don't have that capacity to Jimmy, you and I were that that's our superhero power. [SPEAKER_04]: What a sad one to have. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I've never wanted to be that part like now I'm at the age where my friends will say like, oh, I need to have D calf. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't ever, what's the point?

[SPEAKER_04]: Diet Coke would no caffeine in it. [SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing? [SPEAKER_04]: What's the purpose of this? [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't get it. [SPEAKER_04]: A caffeine free anything. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand, but especially if it's a diet soda that doesn't have caffeine, I don't understand. [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a placebo for you. [SPEAKER_04]: You want to feel like it, but you're not getting any of the, any of the, I don't, I don't, I don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, but see, how does this translate to, what is this? [SPEAKER_04]: It's segment on television. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a weirdo, literally. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm supposed to talk about that because he has a question I have for you. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you'll appreciate this question because this is a fat person question and you're clearly not, and I clearly am. [SPEAKER_00]: Bye. [SPEAKER_00]: fountain bottle can do you have preferences for sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm in Miami the other day and I'm walking out of a store and this this this this woman as a t-shirt I'm not a t-shirt I beg of her on a sweatshirt because it was 50 and she was clearly in peril. [SPEAKER_04]: And the the the the sweatshirt said I need a diet cook and I walk right up to it was a group of women And I walk up to her and I just said are you can her bottle?

[SPEAKER_04]: And she immediately knew she goes on okay, okay, I said because there were only three bottles in there And I bought them all I said, but if you're a bottle and I'd give you one because I don't want to take I don't want to take from you [SPEAKER_04]: Because if you're a bottle, you can't do cash. [SPEAKER_04]: Go say, oh, I'm can, I can't do bottle. [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, and I met, I looked at him like, what kind of sociopath are you?

[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, you like bottles? [SPEAKER_04]: Is it cans? [SPEAKER_04]: It's a very odd thing. [SPEAKER_04]: I will drink cans in a pinch. [SPEAKER_04]: I just don't enjoy them as much as bottles. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Fountain is very tricky. [SPEAKER_04]: I think Chick-fil-A and McDonald's both do it really well, whether some fizzy combination or a dissweet and the bubbles are just right. [SPEAKER_04]: But when you get bad fountain, I'll throw it away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: I'll throw it away. [SPEAKER_04]: You get a bad mix, Jimmy. [SPEAKER_04]: No good. [SPEAKER_00]: And you think this isn't a topic for five o'clock? [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean for years I'll give him a pop Sandy Montag who's been my representation. [SPEAKER_04]: They've like they've said People the student moves product vampire got a big audience die cook.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, we're gonna go ahead and ride with Taylor Swift We're good that we're all set [SPEAKER_04]: I, do you don't want to late 50s people? [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Crowd? [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: Nope. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need any of your help. [SPEAKER_00]: I think a brand like Coke doesn't need any help from them. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't even even tell us, whiff. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, there's a get more of a American.

[SPEAKER_00]: Coke? [SPEAKER_00]: No, of course not. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, as a good agent, you're just trying to angle for something. [SPEAKER_04]: Get me a pallet of soda. [SPEAKER_04]: Get me, get me a gross of soda. [SPEAKER_04]: Just be delivered. [SPEAKER_04]: I literally have asked the guy in a grocery store. [SPEAKER_04]: I see the guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, listen, it's like a drug transaction, you walk up real quiet, like speak easy, hey, what do I got to do just to get you to stop by the house? [SPEAKER_04]: I'll make it worth your while. [SPEAKER_04]: They're having these clandestate. [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, why don't you just come get him here? [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, cause sometimes they're not on the shelves, man, and I need to.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we got a monster Blizzard coming in, and all I can think of is, I don't care what we have in our house. [SPEAKER_04]: We better have Diet Coke. [SPEAKER_04]: So when you and I are done, and I'm done picking up kids from school, I'm gonna go clear out shelves. [SPEAKER_04]: Bread, milk, toilet paper for the Blizzard? [SPEAKER_04]: Nope, nope, don't need it at all. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna be the Diet Coke junkie. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to be a Costco shop or you got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where you got to go if you want the bottles. [SPEAKER_00]: You got a load up at the cost put there's How deep you want to go here, man. [SPEAKER_04]: You can't go too far where you get too much of it that then there's dates on there And you don't want that date to get too far down the road then you lose the good fizz and that's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got to do fizz Do by any chance watch the show hacks on HBO [SPEAKER_04]: Jimmy I haven't watched one TV show since breaking bad. [SPEAKER_04]: I watch games. [SPEAKER_04]: I have children. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm really terribly boring. [SPEAKER_04]: Steve and I fight about this. [SPEAKER_04]: He's got a hundred shows I'm supposed to watch and I watch. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm so narrow and boring. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll with you on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I did watch hacks and I the only reason I brought it up is because the main character played by Jean Smart who's supposed to be like a Joan Rivers kind of knockoff. [SPEAKER_00]: has a diet, has a, has a, has a coke fountain in her kitchen in her house. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, so I was thinking that could be good for you.

[SPEAKER_04]: See, but the fountain, I just, I, I don't, I don't mind schlepping wherever to get the bottles as long as they've got, you know, long as I got the I noticed about this, I'll think you wouldn't say exactly how many bottles a day you have. [SPEAKER_04]: It depends. [SPEAKER_04]: Like when we go to Monday night football, this is so embarrassing, but it's true. [SPEAKER_04]: Say it. [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. [SPEAKER_04]: It's not embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just, [SPEAKER_04]: It's a known thing, like when I got to the National Championship on Monday in Miami, the fridges didn't have die-cook and the folks that were there knew they act like I'm going to go full rainman if I don't get a die-cook and they are scurrying and then they find like these three miniature cans and they said we're going to hide them in here in this and this refrigerator I'm like

[SPEAKER_04]: But thank you like I can't think the miniatures out of their hand like miniatures get the get Miniatures get better that than nothing better that than nothing but at Monday night when we get to Monday night count down there's this one little miniature fridge filled with ice filled with bottles There's probably a dozen in there and I go through however many I go through and then there's folks out there that are crew that's out by the set [SPEAKER_04]: Pittsburgh regular season.

[SPEAKER_04]: They brought them to me and they were freezing. [SPEAKER_04]: This is my guy, Roman. [SPEAKER_04]: He took the handwormers, duct taped handwormers around the frozen diet cook. [SPEAKER_04]: So it could it would unfreeze. [SPEAKER_04]: This is a true story. [SPEAKER_04]: He took handwormers and duct taped them to the diet cook. [SPEAKER_04]: So it would freeze enough that you could actually drink a little bit of it. [SPEAKER_04]: That happened.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying all this out loud. [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if it's embarrassed for you. [SPEAKER_00]: But you still haven't given me like, oh, we took in double, did you? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_04]: For sure. [SPEAKER_04]: I will leave it there. [SPEAKER_04]: More than six, less than 12. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's, it's, I mean, somewhere in there, the thing about Coke, Warren Buffen wrote about this.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's why it was one of their gigantic Berkshire hat the way home runs. [SPEAKER_04]: Most, they hit a lot of home runs. [SPEAKER_04]: But the first Coke you drink and the sixth Coke you drink are equally as satisfying, whereas other sodas after two or three, it's like, nope, can't do anymore. [SPEAKER_04]: And somehow the sixth or seventh or eighth is as good as the first, and that's the magic trick of it. [SPEAKER_04]: That's why this is an addiction.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it is an addiction, but I suppose as addictions go, it's not as bad as some others. [SPEAKER_04]: I hope if it wants to be as bad as others, then I've enjoyed knowing you, Jimmy, and thank you for having me on through the years. [SPEAKER_00]: You ready for this transition? [SPEAKER_04]: Sure, hard left. [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of addictions, I can't thank you enough for bedbeats. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a favorite bedbeat from the 2025 season?

[SPEAKER_00]: One that sticks in your head one that you still can't believe? [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the East Texas A&M, I think Lamar, that was the one where in the middle of it, I asked Steve, wait, are they playing by gas station? [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_04]: I did it I did a horrible job on the read because I was so aghasty what was happening and I was so thrown off by just the totality of it. [SPEAKER_04]: It involved a touchdown late a team was getting like eight and a half points.

[SPEAKER_04]: They gave up a score with four seconds left and they were still covering but then on the kickoff they did that pitchy pitchy woo woo and they're throwing it around. [SPEAKER_04]: And the guy just chucks it in the direction of the gas station. [SPEAKER_04]: And I pretty sure was Lamar recovered it and they covered and it was such a catastrophe.

[SPEAKER_04]: But then the thing about bad beats that's astounding to me is how the people that are in it, somehow, it's like a badge of honor. [SPEAKER_04]: The whole Southland conference turned into the content for the week that this had happened. [SPEAKER_04]: This is truly the no publicity's bad publicity kind of a thing that the way folks can somehow turn that Lemon and deleminate has been amazing to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that that one was uh that one and the villain over total against Penn State was incredible because it [SPEAKER_04]: There were timeouts taken, there were reviews. [SPEAKER_04]: By the time we did the year and review, you see James Franklin running on the sideline to call a timeout and you realize, holy shit. [SPEAKER_04]: James Franklin was the coach of Penn State. [SPEAKER_04]: They were undefeated when this happened.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like we're trying about a bad beat like think of what happened to that guy's season after this they lose to Oregon Then the wheels fall off. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean he landed in a great place. [SPEAKER_04]: He'll he'll be excellent. [SPEAKER_00]: I think down to Virginia That's just the one that's villain. [SPEAKER_00]: No, but and here's what here's what I love about this [SPEAKER_00]: For me, that would be the number one for you, you may be at your number two.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a 52 to 6 game. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the best part of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_04]: And the beauty of the segment is that, and I'm making the point, that Jimmy, that involve both game and total. [SPEAKER_04]: And that's for the true, true degenerates. [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if you're involved in it, if you've got a side in Villanova Penn State, [SPEAKER_04]: maybe, maybe, take it, take it 20 second, make it a full. [SPEAKER_04]: Let's take a look in the mirror.

[SPEAKER_04]: I say this is a man that had hot hand warmers duct tape to die at comfort. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not judging anyone. [SPEAKER_04]: But if you've, if you've got Penn State land the number to know of and you're sweating that out at the end, you know, you kind of get what you paid for. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the beauty of a college football center. [SPEAKER_00]: It is, right? [SPEAKER_04]: I started noon and goes till two in the morning.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's it as we get closer to the Superball here Yeah, is there a Superball Profit you love to bet like do you love to bet the coin to us the anthem the length of the anything like that? [SPEAKER_04]: No, but But I I'm certain I'll eventually change course. [SPEAKER_04]: I used to Look down my nose at fantasy football. [SPEAKER_04]: Jimmy is like like you guys are losers and now [SPEAKER_04]: Well, as a gambler, I always looked at it like, what are you doing?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, if you want to have, you want to have skin in the game, take the points, lay the points. [SPEAKER_04]: You're in and you're out. [SPEAKER_04]: But then fantasy football with friends became a cool thing. [SPEAKER_04]: And now, so my point as it relates to that is I used to, I used to test, test kit. [SPEAKER_04]: And now I look at props like, what are you doing?

[SPEAKER_04]: And then I imagine, I get why they're popular because it's, I mean, if it's the coin flip, it's heads or tails and you move on or if it's the over and the anthem. [SPEAKER_04]: If there's, I'm sure there's money to be made. [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure there's sharp people that are able to really nail down that prop lane. [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard enough to win anything. [SPEAKER_04]: So I, I just look at it as, that's another place where you're just burning money.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with all that. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's the day I enjoy burning money. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't bet those things during the season and that day like to go crazy and totally get it. [SPEAKER_04]: It's, you're gonna sit there for eight hours. [SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna eat six bags of Doritos drink. [SPEAKER_04]: A 12 of whatever it is, beats his subs, whatever wings. [SPEAKER_04]: And you're just gonna fire.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm fine. [SPEAKER_04]: And you're a fellow, you know, people used to generate almost like it's a cool thing. [SPEAKER_04]: but you're a guy that likes action and I yeah that's why part of the reason why I think you when I kind of get it I get yeah you and I are in the same boat. [SPEAKER_00]: I just really it's too you got that you guys have the Super Bowl next year we do. [SPEAKER_00]: I know Perkin and Joe Buck was on that he told me he has plans already starting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh it's big. [SPEAKER_00]: Preparations. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, we're going to do our show Sports Center from so-fi the night of the Sports Center in Santa Clara because the minute that that Super Bowl ends, we're essentially on the clock and we are going to make a big grand celebration of

[SPEAKER_04]: what the Super Bowl is and and the fact that it's going to be like and we're talking all hands on deck ESPN like Disney the whole thing of how how do we celebrate this game and all that has been part of it the people that have been part of the story of the fabric of the most American the biggest game in

[SPEAKER_04]: I think again, it's celebrating what the people of the game and the game itself and the fact that it's going to be, you know, the Joe and Troll have the call, it'll be the biggest, it'll be the biggest day in the history of our company. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good nugget. [SPEAKER_00]: So after this Super Bowl on the eighth, that's in Santa Clara, you will be doing sports center from so far as the kickoff to the ABC is. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_04]: Great.

[SPEAKER_04]: correct so i mean and then the whole point being look all right so that was done next year will be crowning a champion right here and you know it's a long way to go to do a show but i get it in it's all it's a way to sort of light the fuse and set the table of what will be this year long thing all right i appreciate it i'm gonna let you go i had a few more but it's you know i don't know i feel like we've hit a good spot to end it on what i don't want to keep me if i had no reason

[SPEAKER_04]: I got to go pick up my kids. [SPEAKER_04]: So that's a better. [SPEAKER_04]: That's a better end. [SPEAKER_04]: So it's always going to be with you Jimmy. [SPEAKER_04]: Good luck. [SPEAKER_04]: Good health in 2017. [SPEAKER_00]: That was the last I also want to say I love real or fake true TV shows when you in Stanford Steve do that. [SPEAKER_00]: That was my other thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I had to get in there. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That's now you can go pick up your kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: That thank you for liking it. [SPEAKER_04]: When I don't laugh out loud at a lot, but when you get real or fake TV shows and this year, one of them was inside the NDA,

[SPEAKER_04]: think how funny that is and that's just a guy named Jeff Brown here in his brother write him every year they're the creative genius by the inside the NBA's funny and i was laughing so hard because i don't know what they are and i was so pissed at myself act afterwards for not just slipping into shack and being like hey chok chok chok inside the NBA [SPEAKER_04]: just just imagining inside the NBA but inside the NBA and just imagine how shack and Chuck might do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just missed a window for something that would have been funny to me, but so I apologize to you. [SPEAKER_00]: You know that for storing the business. [SPEAKER_00]: That segment is part of that's a perfect segment. [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, take it easy. [SPEAKER_00]: Go get your kids. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks. [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Joining me now is he does every week for our training thoughts segment from SNYTV to [SPEAKER_00]: How's it going? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not bad. [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on with you? [SPEAKER_02]: The sadness is starting to sink in. [SPEAKER_02]: There's three football games left, but other than that, not bad. [SPEAKER_00]: Two football games, one spectacle. [SPEAKER_00]: It's over after this week.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so depressing, because it's like, now you don't have the Saturday gate. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, last week, it was, you know, didn't have like a Thursday or Friday game for the first time. [SPEAKER_00]: Now this week, we don't have a Saturday game for the first time. [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Sunday at 10 o'clock, it's over, but I'm looking, are you not looking forward to having like a normal Saturday or Saturday without football?

[SPEAKER_02]: You could do whatever you want. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I am. [SPEAKER_00]: I am. [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, the football season. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't say Saturday and Sunday, just Saturday. [SPEAKER_02]: Like at least one of the days on the weekend should be football free. [SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy that for a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like last Saturday and this last Saturday was great because the first game was at 430. [SPEAKER_00]: So you had it Saturday if you wanted one.

[SPEAKER_02]: But you didn't have a saturday night. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, yeah, well, which is fine. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's why I love the wild courage. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, leave me alone, wild card divisional, leave me alone all weekend is getting nestled in. [SPEAKER_02]: You know that that weekend or those weekends are about football. [SPEAKER_02]: But then after that, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice to get back to, you know, because we've had saturday football games dating back to what mid December. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm talking about NFL. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not talking about college. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, you say, oh, you're not going to have a Saturday night. [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing Saturday night? [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be like four degrees.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you would, you're going to die for a football game this Saturday night. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you know what, you know what, you know what I'm doing. [SPEAKER_02]: Like watching Netflix or whatever shows with my wife. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I get too far behind. [SPEAKER_02]: If the football consumes both days on the weekend, now I have less time to watch shows with my wife. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's got, you know, let's keep everybody happy.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be shoveling snow Saturday night. [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you doing that? [SPEAKER_02]: What are you crazy? [SPEAKER_02]: You don't do it either. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you have somebody come do that for you? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about the snow. [SPEAKER_00]: It's free. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't get warm right now. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a major issue.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is freezing, and even though the therm- what do you set your thermos at at? [SPEAKER_02]: Monts at 68 usually, but even though it's 68, some parts, it can't get up that warm right now because it's so cold. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm having a problem with the heat in my house. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem. [SPEAKER_00]: It's hot. [SPEAKER_00]: It's working, but it's not, it's sub-standard right now. [SPEAKER_02]: Not good.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is frigid dude, yesterday felt like eight degrees outside. [SPEAKER_02]: It isn't New York, because that was constant. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny. [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought of this. [SPEAKER_00]: You're actually a good guy to ask about this. [SPEAKER_00]: So, one of the, one of the things that my oldest best friend from seventh grade that we bonded over our whole lives was we hated the summer. [SPEAKER_00]: We hated the heat.

[SPEAKER_00]: We would always call it oppression. [SPEAKER_00]: And like four or five years ago, he did a complete 180 and he flipped on me and now he hates the cold and loves the heat, whereas my stance is I'd always rather be cold than hot, because I could put on a sweatshirt and a jacket and I'm fine, even though I just said I can't get more. [SPEAKER_00]: And the summer there's no relief when it's like 90 in you live.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now this has been a [SPEAKER_00]: I texted him yesterday, I don't know if you've seen it, but on social media like the weather, people like the local news, they're going crazy about what's going to happen this weekend. [SPEAKER_00]: What did you do? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like the whole weekend, I sleep. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Snow, two feet of snow, five degrees, like they're going nuts. [SPEAKER_02]: We're just in the northeast or I have not done everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is going to be major. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not everywhere, but, you know, I don't think it's supposed to be as bad for us as people in other parts of the country, even. [SPEAKER_00]: So I said him the tweet, and he writes me back and says, and you still choose this over the impression, over the oppression. [SPEAKER_00]: I can put on a sweatshirt and a jacket and I'm fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, pression equals zero relief.

[SPEAKER_00]: Then he wrote back a nasty comment about me wearing scarves. [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, the EMFs of the key, not the scarf. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is where you can weigh in. [SPEAKER_00]: He writes back, the ears are key, but the cold goes right into my skull. [SPEAKER_00]: It's horrible. [SPEAKER_00]: I wrote you and you sent it of skull. [SPEAKER_00]: He wrote, when you are bald, there is no insulation. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel it in my brain. [SPEAKER_00]: That was my friend, Brett.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know how you feel. [SPEAKER_00]: I was tall in your brain, the call. [SPEAKER_02]: I do understand what he's saying, but it's nothing that to me, like one of those skull wool caps. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I wear them all the time, and I'm perfectly following it. [SPEAKER_02]: As a matter of fact, yesterday I had one on, [SPEAKER_02]: with that on.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not afraid of the cold, even as a bald man, once I have one of those good, you're going to get a good, like, you know, will he add or whatever is? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, according to my friend, Brett, he can't get any relief. [SPEAKER_00]: And it goes into his skull and then into his brain. [SPEAKER_02]: And come on, scarves and earmuffs. [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't want to score for earmuffs, maybe ever in my life. [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that one.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't hear the 180s? [SPEAKER_00]: The 180s that wrap around. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I've seen you with them. [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen you with them. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I just wear the, you know, the beanie, the little, you know, and keep your eye on the hats. [SPEAKER_00]: See, I don't do hats. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's nothing will cover this cloth. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't do hats. [SPEAKER_00]: So I do the wrap around 180s.

[SPEAKER_00]: What a nice scarf. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm fine. [SPEAKER_00]: My issue right now with the cold, the worst is the driving. [SPEAKER_00]: I get in the car and freeze in my ass so if I get the heat going in five minutes I'm sweating like a fat pig. [SPEAKER_00]: I got to start taking the layers off the car gets I wish I could sleep in the car the car gets blazing hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's ridiculous But supposedly we're in for this weekend So we'll see what happens all right before we get to the weekend games Let me just touch on a couple of subjects here quickly that I want to mention [SPEAKER_00]: I, okay, so I had Mike Tereko on last week as I'm wrapping up Tereko calls me out for basically not being an Olympics viewer, which I think we discussed that a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I was shocked how much response I got to that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got so much response to people saying like, I would say it was 95% of people like saying, [SPEAKER_00]: It was a good job by you being honest and you weren't being a phony, and 5% like how could you not root for the country. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't watch the Olympics. [SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to say like I would never have, I would never have a guest on and be disrespectful to the guest. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to have Mike Trico on to like, I don't watch the Olympics.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was trying to play a long, nice, lethal, all in, but then he said to me, you're not an Olympics guy, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, am I going to do a lie? [SPEAKER_02]: No, you had to be honest. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And most people seem to appreciate that. [SPEAKER_00]: What I did regret after that interview, and I still have not gone a day without thinking about it, and I'm living. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: I wrote it in my notes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had it on the paper in front of me. [SPEAKER_00]: I totally forgot to ask them about doing MLB with NBC getting baseball games back. [SPEAKER_00]: Just totally forgot. [SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the, I don't, so I was sick to my stomach for like a week after that. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a good interview. [SPEAKER_00]: He was great. [SPEAKER_00]: Response was great, but when you fuck up like that, it sticks with you and I was sick all week that I didn't ask that question.

[SPEAKER_02]: You made some news about the Jordan thing, which I saw was good. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was a big deal, but I understand your frustration. [SPEAKER_02]: You have many times. [SPEAKER_02]: And I write like all these notes and ideas that go into my head on my phone. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm doing a show, you know, now the podcast, whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: And then afterward I'm like, mother fuck. [SPEAKER_02]: I, how did I forget to do that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's all my, I don't know how you keep track though because it's all, everything we do is content. [SPEAKER_02]: I rather than my phone than once I'm on, like I find myself forgetting stuff, like I'm thumbing through the damn notes and I can't see it in time. [SPEAKER_02]: Trust me, not sort of. [SPEAKER_02]: I understand that, but it wasn't a big deal. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe I just, I just can't believe I forgot there's that question.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a basic layup question. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know that he was doing baseball honestly. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, he is not, they haven't named anyone yet. [SPEAKER_02]: And because you were asking him if he was going to Yeah, I've interest. [SPEAKER_00]: What he do some games is he not want to do it as you too busy with the NBA in the NFL And I didn't ask him I need it like a dope.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay [SPEAKER_02]: Get him back and tell me you'll watch the Olympics if you can come back on for one more question. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making that trade. [SPEAKER_00]: I just I don't maybe maybe my guys on the on the Jimmy train at Reddit page can tell me if they can forgive me for such an egregious error because they've been nice with well they've been nice for the most part. [SPEAKER_00]: Richard Dijk checks that page constantly.

[SPEAKER_00]: He checks it more than me, and then I get the updates on what's going on on the Reddit page from Dijk, which is funny. [SPEAKER_00]: Someone did say I interrupted Laura Rutledge too much. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the funny thing about this. [SPEAKER_00]: Since the first day I've done this podcast back in like 2017 or 2018, whatever it was, the one thing I always hear is I interrupt people, but like I gotta keep things moving. [SPEAKER_00]: I got to keep it moving.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't take that as a valid complaint. [SPEAKER_00]: You try to have a conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: I do interrupt, but it's because I want to get somewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so Tereko, what else did I want to say? [SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the things, oh, I did something today this morning. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've been doing this now. [SPEAKER_00]: What do we 2020 say? [SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing this for like, my been at SI for 26 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is whatever, but I've been doing contents. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 2013. [SPEAKER_00]: So like, no, 2007, so let me say, 19 years. [SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing content, 19 years. [SPEAKER_00]: I have never once in those 19 years ever been nasty or gotten snippy with a PR person.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it happened this morning for the first time, yes, I get an email, I'm not going to say you like the company, but I got an email basically saying that they have paid manning and something about a Q&A with paid manning. [SPEAKER_00]: But they said something like, do I want to post a Q&A? [SPEAKER_00]: I was there confused. [SPEAKER_00]: So I wrote back and I said, I'm a little confused. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you offering me an interview with paid manning?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you asking me to post a Q&A that someone else did with paid manning? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right, it's back. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry for the confusion. [SPEAKER_00]: We have this, this is a brand. [SPEAKER_00]: We did a Q&A with paid manning, and we want to give you exclusive, and you can be the only one that posts it. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's look right back and do what we make you think I'd want to post a Q&A from someone else when I do interviews for a living.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is your offer. [SPEAKER_00]: You're offering like because the email is like exclusive this exclusive that you'll be the only one. [SPEAKER_00]: You'll be the first blah blah and it's a Q&A that this company did with Peyton Manning because they're getting he's going to do a commercial for them I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: That they want me to post. [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[SPEAKER_00]: Exclusively. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I wrote back up saying, so you're giving me an interview paint manning. [SPEAKER_00]: No, we have a Q&A we want you to post. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, do you know what my job is? [SPEAKER_00]: Did he respond back? [SPEAKER_00]: He responded back very nicely. [SPEAKER_00]: Then I felt bad for being, I was at the C word. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he wrote back and he said, oh, no, I can't even find email. [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, no palm thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much. [SPEAKER_00]: It was very nice. [SPEAKER_00]: His reply was very nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the reason why I'm sensitive to this right now because now the Super Bowl is here and now it's going to be two straight weeks of the single most ridiculous PR emails imaginable like you have no idea what goes on these next two weeks at my inbox forgot about that so weird being out of like that daily grind with the radio forever right radio roll lots of the worst week radio for some everybody loves going to the party and one of the part of the Super Bowl, but if you're not it's like come on this ridiculous

[SPEAKER_00]: I should have saved, I saw one this morning that was so beyond absurd, I, and I deleted it and I should have saved it just to tell you like what I get pitched. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll look for it, while we chat, how did you do betting wise over the weekend? [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I did not do well as far as picking the games, but I did hit big. [SPEAKER_02]: I had my buddies over.

[SPEAKER_02]: We did, yeah, we did a parlay finally hit of the over three, the first three games you'll like this real quick. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let me go. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I go. [SPEAKER_02]: Rams bears. [SPEAKER_02]: We had the three of us picked certain players. [SPEAKER_02]: So we had Kyrim Williams any time TD check. [SPEAKER_02]: Kyrim Williams over Rushyard check DJ Moore any time TD check DJ Moore over receiving our check.

[SPEAKER_02]: But one we needed Kobe Parkinson. [SPEAKER_02]: I picked him three catches a more. [SPEAKER_02]: he has, he's on two, we're waiting, Caleb Williams, the big touchdown, go to overtime one, like that's exactly what we needed. [SPEAKER_02]: Interception, puts them in a spot where maybe they have to throw, they throw, Parkinson gets the catch. [SPEAKER_02]: We had like, I would say 25 bucks, whatever it was, it paid out, we won like 700 bucks each.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, massive, it which paved for the whole weekend, all the food, even the travel. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was true. [SPEAKER_02]: And, but the way that I would say it is, and I talked to you about this, like it's skews the way you're watching the game. [SPEAKER_02]: It was a great game, but all I could give is shit about was Parkinson getting one more freaking catch. [SPEAKER_02]: That's all that mattered.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when he did he sell it, we settled really like we won the Super Bowl, and that was it. [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't like that it's skews the way that we watch the game, but I sure enjoyed that win in watching that throughout the course that great game. [SPEAKER_00]: So it was a three leg touchdown, it would not. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Kyrie Williams was rushing yards. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a five leg, same game poorly. [SPEAKER_02]: Too many time touchdown, but five leg total.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like 75 to win 2300, whatever the math was, we want about 700 each, roughly, something like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are so difficult to win, so when you get one of those, it really is. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we were chasing all weekend doing that, like, oh, let's do this guy. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, why don't we just narrow it down if we like it guy?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like instead of going, Kyron Williams, any time TD and somebody else yards, just go with Williams yards, Williams touchdown, more yards, more touchdown. [SPEAKER_02]: So we simplified the math a little bit, but you're right, they're such, they're so hard to hit. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, how do you want your picks? [SPEAKER_02]: I forget we did straight up. [SPEAKER_00]: I went to and two. [SPEAKER_00]: So it was very boring.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got lucky with the Broncos and bears. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are my two winners. [SPEAKER_00]: And I lost obviously with the Niners and the Texans. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know CJ Strahd was going to decide, you know, not to be an NFL quarterback anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he was all for the week before and you said, you said, you lost the Niners, we all lost watch and that game was a that was a waste of time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, might have been the the I don't think I've ever watched less of a division around play of game because first of all, the complete insanity and anarchy that was taking place after the bills game with the bills brought with Josh Allen crying. [SPEAKER_00]: the the interception of bonyx with the broken ankle by the time I didn't even see the kick off return for the touchdown. [SPEAKER_00]: I got to that game late and it it was over.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was over really after you went from a nine years perspective and I was rooting for the nine as I bet the honor I was hoping they could stay in it. [SPEAKER_02]: You knew once that you got that opening touchdown it was [SPEAKER_00]: And in the interception in the Denver Buffalo game, was it a catch was an interception. [SPEAKER_00]: That to me, it was crazy to me. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a bigger story. [SPEAKER_00]: That was the bigger story, the weekend, it seemed like.

[SPEAKER_00]: That bow next thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I never worked harder to confirm that something was real and not fake. [SPEAKER_00]: Because you know, and then I texted to a couple of people and no one believed it. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't believe it. [SPEAKER_02]: My buddies are telling me. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no way. [SPEAKER_02]: Why? [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I fake. [SPEAKER_02]: What would you think? [SPEAKER_02]: Did you think it was a catcher?

[SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it's, I, someone made this point. [SPEAKER_00]: It might have been stereotypical who made this point after the game. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he was terrible during the game, because he just agrees with everything they were at. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think on Twitter, he made a point about like, something has to be done about the fact that like when they are reviewing. [SPEAKER_00]: They're slowing this down to like point zero zero zero one second.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's almost like you should call it in real time. [SPEAKER_00]: In real speed, because in real speed, it looks like an interception. [SPEAKER_00]: Then you slow it down and it looks like the bill's guy is down with the ball. [SPEAKER_00]: Then you'd, and then stare at the day after on Twitter explained it where you think, okay, it was an interception. [SPEAKER_00]: And then Joe Barrow, if you're not tweeting for two years, comes on Twitter and says it was an interception.

[SPEAKER_00]: So by letter of the law, let's say it was a cat, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I'm sorry, yes, I got it right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's one where like I can't expect the ref in real time to get it right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's where you [SPEAKER_00]: And the problem there is nobody explained anything. [SPEAKER_00]: The ref I don't didn't explain anything. [SPEAKER_00]: Stereotype just comes on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the ref's got it right because that's where he says every time. [SPEAKER_00]: This past and appearances, this guy's getting tackles. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was a good no-call. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I noticed? [SPEAKER_02]: You were the first on this many years ago. [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about this with these in-game refs being useless. [SPEAKER_02]: Here, the way I think is where we got away from it. [SPEAKER_02]: Prayer used to be good at it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But these guys have all come on. [SPEAKER_02]: They're afraid to be wrong. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, it's your job, you're the rest. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody's greedy when if you're right at home. [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us what you see based on you being a ref. [SPEAKER_02]: Whether they get a room or not as a relevant, you have to tell us what you're seeing. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, I think it was a good call, Jim. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're right, they're agreeing with everybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what it was supposed to be. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not supposed to be afraid to get criticized by the people watching. [SPEAKER_02]: That's just part of the job. [SPEAKER_02]: You need to tell us what you see in that moment. [SPEAKER_02]: And nobody does that anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: In that moment, me watching it, now I'm not a ref, I have no idea what's going on. [SPEAKER_02]: It never looked like the guy had full control of a catch.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm thinking, okay, well, if it's a tie, usually goes to the offensive player, wasn't a tie, did he have possession? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, and I was rooting for the bills. [SPEAKER_02]: I do not think he had possession of that football ever. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there was one replay where he has the ball on these down.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't really cost the freight you had to stop the free get that right, but was it, was it, you know, that's I'm saying like, was it true possession? [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: It could have gone either way. [SPEAKER_02]: What I would like to was for one of those rules and analysts to come on and tell me what you think, it as opposed to like, I think they're going to want to hear this or the rest want to hear this. [SPEAKER_02]: That's bull crap.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had a bigger issue with a couple of the past and a parent and non-past and a parent's calls. [SPEAKER_00]: Then actually that way. [SPEAKER_00]: Because that play is like, who the hell knows what the right call is on that play? [SPEAKER_00]: I also think, listen, the job, this is why I think the rules analyst, and I did love it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like people in Twitter were like, I think of you every time this happens. [SPEAKER_00]: You were the first one to do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I, you were the pioneer, like I love it. [SPEAKER_00]: But the rules [SPEAKER_00]: to explain a rule that the audience may not understand. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need the rules of analysts to tell me what they see that there was a play in the Texans Patriots game where a Texans player punched the ball at a Drake maze hands for a fumble. [SPEAKER_00]: Jim Nance, Jean, but you see there, I don't need Jean, I just saw it. [SPEAKER_00]: I just saw the guy punch the ball out of his hand.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why we go to the annals because here's what you're doing in the situation. [SPEAKER_00]: If the rules analyst is not there, just to explain a role, then he has what the issue is. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a former ref, so he knows all these refs probably has relationships with him. [SPEAKER_00]: It would be like, it would be the equivalent of me watching one of your shows and then [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Who wants to do that when they who wants to do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to do that you're not going to criticize your friend. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but yeah, but that's why it's a conflict. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a it's a whole thing's a problem. [SPEAKER_02]: It's always been an issue outside of prayer. [SPEAKER_02]: Every to me everyone's been an issue. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's a case where stereotypical could have actually done a great job there and explained why it was an interception. [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's okay, and then that's a useful way of using him. [SPEAKER_00]: But when anyone who has functioning eyesight sees the Texans punch the ball at a Drake man, it's, why do we need to hear from him? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so he should have come on and explained why he thought, let's just say he thought it should have been an interception, explain why.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then whatever the rule is on the field may follow and then he's got a, if it's against what he said, [SPEAKER_02]: Then he should say that either they got a wrong and here's why I think they got our own whatever, but I'm with you, but we could have used the next expertise on that as to why the call should have been a certain way. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's, it's, and now I see people writing columns time to get rid of the roles on a list.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where have you been, where have you been to the last three four years? [SPEAKER_02]: You've been on, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's been years, would you been on that? [SPEAKER_00]: They, they, they, they ruin the flow of the game. [SPEAKER_00]: They cause confusion and it hurts the broadcast period and the story. [SPEAKER_00]: It feels forced. [SPEAKER_02]: You can feel being forced as opposed to natural or needed.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's go to this week on Sunday three o'clock Patriots minus one and a half at Denver. [SPEAKER_00]: The total is 42 and a half and I mean the fact that this is Jared stem actually it's four and a half not one and a half. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't read my own writing. [SPEAKER_00]: It's New England minus four and a half the total is 42 and a half. [SPEAKER_00]: I bet that light is moved. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll check the phone, but where are you going in that game?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking the Broncos. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to ride with the better defense, the home team, better head coach. [SPEAKER_02]: I know the Patriots have the way better quarterback in this case with me, Patriots play better against the Texans and they did the prior game against the Chargers certainly offensively. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give me the Broncos at home with Sean Payton. [SPEAKER_02]: I think the end of that defense, I think they figure out a way to win that game.

[SPEAKER_02]: Plus, I'm getting a good win. [SPEAKER_02]: I have points. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what's funny about this. [SPEAKER_00]: I said, I'm going to bed Denver no matter what because no one's going to bed Denver because a jarred stood up now it seems like everyone's bedding Denver. [SPEAKER_00]: The public is like now smart and up I think because I think if you're a hardcore football fan you could you could make the argument who knows if it'll happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you can make the argument. [SPEAKER_00]: Shut up, Sean Payton is a great offensive mind. [SPEAKER_00]: He'll put in some game plan for Stidum. [SPEAKER_00]: You'll see some, you know, running the ball, or for, you know, you'll see the... Dobbin is double or fast. [SPEAKER_00]: He's supposed to be, I see. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I see. [SPEAKER_02]: I see. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was eligible, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: But that'll help the running game.

[SPEAKER_00]: But now everyone's on Denver, and it makes me want to bet New England. [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I mean, I was not impressed. [SPEAKER_00]: with Drake May last week, fumbling the ball all over the place. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they saw a 28 points because CJ Strowd was his inept. [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot be more inept than CJ Strowd. [SPEAKER_00]: You just can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: So as I mean, listen, I'll tell you to be honest with you when we're taping this Wednesday afternoon, I don't know where I'm going to go on this game, but I think I would probably like you said, I will take four and a half points, just because of the points. [SPEAKER_02]: to home, Peyton points, thought that to me is a three. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've, it took me, it's taking me a very, very, very long time to come to this realization.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think homefield is nearly as big a deal as it used to be. [SPEAKER_00]: If you look all over sports and all these big games, [SPEAKER_00]: It's not, I see teams go on the road all the time and when these games that you don't expect. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that has been a thing for a while. [SPEAKER_02]: However, Seattle, you told me that didn't have an impact on that game Saturday. [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely think it did, and I do think it did in Denver.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that is going to be a fact. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, maybe it doesn't matter as much, but there are certain spots to me, certain environments, [SPEAKER_02]: And I know Seattle, even remember that field used to be impossible to get a win in there. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Then it went the opposite way. [SPEAKER_02]: They suck. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: But now that it's back to being up, I feel like that's going to be a tough place to play.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Denver is one of those spots too. [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, since you won't go right there, then six, 30 on Sunday. [SPEAKER_00]: Seattle is minus three. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me double check it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually two and a half now. [SPEAKER_00]: Seattle is [SPEAKER_02]: And a half, I'm taking the Rams better team. [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's going to be tough on the road.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Rams are the better team, better coach, better quarterback. [SPEAKER_02]: I still can't get past the fact that Sam Donald is good. [SPEAKER_02]: I know I got to let that go at some point after watching with the jets all those years. [SPEAKER_02]: But I just, I can't imagine Sam Donald quarterbacking the sea hawks to the Super Bowl. [SPEAKER_02]: The Rams is better team. [SPEAKER_02]: They've been the better team to me all year long even though they finished first.

[SPEAKER_02]: Give me McVeigh in the Rams. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take Seattle. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that it's dipped under a field goal. [SPEAKER_00]: I think teams just have those years, those magical years where everything goes right, everything works out. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how it's gone for Seattle so far. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I don't think the Rams defenses that good.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I hate, now I hate the Sharbo No injury really bumps me out because I think they had such a great thing going [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't like that at all if you, I don't ever bet this because I think the odds are terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to play a touchdown, I mean, you have to believe Kooper Cup is going to get a touchdown for the Seahawks in this game. [SPEAKER_00]: But I bet the odds are like, you know, garbage, you know, like plus 180 or some nonsense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And also thanks Dravkings for on the, on the national [SPEAKER_00]: Miami. [SPEAKER_00]: They offer a 20% profit boost. [SPEAKER_00]: I go to use it, and it's like, no, it has to be plus 100 or bigger odds than that. [SPEAKER_00]: Like Nebraska in the game, like if you on the bet in Nebraska, minus eight and a half, they were like minus one 10 and minus one 15. [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't use the boost.

[SPEAKER_00]: You saw my Indiana Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know why it keeps it because the red yeah Indiana Indiana if you wanted about a minus eight and a half on draft Kings you can't use the boost Because they were minus one fifteen and if the boost was only for plus one hundred draft Kings in Fandle They are so terrible now with the boosts and the offers. [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: They know they got everyone and now they figured we're not gonna give you any [SPEAKER_02]: I use, well, obviously you know that the house is always going to win. [SPEAKER_02]: I use fanatics and one good thing that I learned this week, I had Dalton Shultz for any time touchdown in one parlay, whatever in that game. [SPEAKER_02]: He got hurt in the first quarter and they eliminated that from the bat.

[SPEAKER_02]: I ended up losing it anyway, but at least it wasn't going to be because of that. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, some of the sides do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that's at least fair, and you know, you get hurt in the first quarter.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm these these apps and whatever sports books they all think they're not they're not they they teach you early by giving you stuff and then they don't give you anything I love the sports book Jimmy [SPEAKER_02]: And even want to step up and spawn for my podcast, go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm watching right now his or hers on Netflix. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you even did that stuff like the drama the Murder mystery drama type thing now so episode one loved it. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure others, but I don't have them at the top It's called his or hers. [SPEAKER_02]: I think so. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what the girl from Rocky from a Creed The girl from Creed that played Michael B. Jordan's love interest and that and eventually his wife.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not familiar [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good one right now. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to say, well, I'm into unreal WWE and really got to watch that when I love the first season. [SPEAKER_02]: Did we talk about that? [SPEAKER_02]: You like that one? [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this about it. [SPEAKER_00]: So I saw a clip on Instagram and TikTok on yesterday, I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where Triple H is telling Cody Rhodes about the fake Seth Rollins injury and how no one knows. [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually good that they have those guys that they keep it keep a tight that didn't lead. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, I know, but just seem weird to say, no one's going to know about this while you're being filmed by a camera crew, which also means there's editors and directors. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Quite get that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so have you started it or you haven't started it? [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's all my like to do list urgent probably watch it today episode one urgent. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so how do you break how do you break down the to do list when I saw that one come out I was like, oh, that moves right to the top so everything else goes on now I forget is that the release is at one of the time Is it binge worthy? [SPEAKER_02]: I forget how they do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got to check that out for it [SPEAKER_02]: The to do is to whoever's that's going to be whoever's that's going to be beyond their podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever work I could get those take precedent and then probably stuff that the wife has to do. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what what I got to do for my daughter, you know, things change. [SPEAKER_00]: How many things are on the urgent part of the to do list right now?

[SPEAKER_02]: Things that I wanted, well, I had to, here's one that I had to take care of. [SPEAKER_02]: Today, while I was watching my daughter, while my wife had to go out, I had to take care of there was an issue with my projector. [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, it happens this weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: One of the HDMI inputs isn't working. [SPEAKER_02]: I got all these movies that I want to walk from the screener, from being in the union.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the Apple TV is the HDMI input not working, so I had to call. [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's in warranty, but they send me a refurbished one. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I don't want to refurbish one. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to know one. [SPEAKER_00]: This ridiculous. [SPEAKER_00]: A little bit of infrastructure is that's under the urgent category, urgent, but I already took care of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now and now the podcast, like that's okay, these are things I got to do, shower, go to work. [SPEAKER_00]: Then when I get home from work, the, the, do you put shower on your list of to know? [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, that's just up here. [SPEAKER_02]: I keep that. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, now what's the category under urgent? [SPEAKER_02]: When I get to it, I get to it, you know, laundry, throughout this fall, under when I get to it, I get to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, probably buried somewhere in there that's just been, you know, like the bills or things like that that I want no really part of doing that I just keep putting off. [SPEAKER_00]: So urgent get to it when I can get to it and then there's the third category. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say the urgent things are either things that I absolutely have to do or things that are going to make me happy and that I want to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, so that makes sense different.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, sort of. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'll have to do the projector, I didn't have to, but I wanted to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't have been able to rest until you did the project. [SPEAKER_02]: Correct. [SPEAKER_02]: It was hard enough. [SPEAKER_02]: I had to wait a day told because it was closed on MLK a day. [SPEAKER_00]: So I had to wait a day to take take care of it You know, I just realized we didn't really talk about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You so since last week when we lasted this you launched your own show finally So why don't you tell people What it is when it is where it could do a whole full Plug here. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want me to be the the Salacotta show podcast which I'm working on getting you on as a guest a weekly we turn the favor for all these years [SPEAKER_00]: There's the first, I'm hearing about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, well, I had to make sure, I had to make sure everything's in order before I start bringing it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: As Jimmy to come on the podcast, not under the urgent category. [SPEAKER_02]: No, first get the podcast up and running without any hiccups. [SPEAKER_02]: That was the urgent thing But no, it's the salad codge. [SPEAKER_00]: I have hiccups with a podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: I could play that right now daily episodes on YouTube Apple Spotify wherever you go. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want me to do a five days a week. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like I was doing a video show Yeah, I know it's a big commitment, but I think that's the way needs to be done shorter episodes Right, you know Monday through Friday get people in the habit of listening to it So that's what we're talking about Spotify YouTube [SPEAKER_02]: YouTube Apple Spotify.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I guess wherever else, who, but those are the main, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you would tell me a little bit about this. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the Salacotta show. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what people can search. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: I guess so. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know if this is a good sign or it's just, you know, the way the algorithms work, but like I was scrolling to TikTok yesterday, you came up.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I did the follow on Instagram. [SPEAKER_00]: Reals you came up, but you know, say you go appreciate that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just starting. [SPEAKER_02]: So you know, I think at times for me, like if I feel like I'm not on, or people aren't listening or watching, it's kind of demoralizing. [SPEAKER_02]: Like you used to get that. [SPEAKER_02]: If I were doing a show on the overnight of the fan, let's say, and nobody's calling.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even though I know people are listening, it's deflating. [SPEAKER_02]: So going from radio on the fan to podcasting obviously is a transition where I know people are going to walk with clips and down low, but I got to make sure I feel like people are watching and listening, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny you see this because I've said this before many, many times that when I started doing the podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: What was very jarring to me was this.

[SPEAKER_00]: So from 2007 to 2013, I wrote hotclux, first SI, and then when I came back in 2017, I did the training thoughts column. [SPEAKER_00]: And early on with the training thoughts and the whole time during the hotclicks run, which was insanity, thanks to all you guys. [SPEAKER_00]: I would put the column out and within one minute, I'm getting bombarded with feedback and messages. [SPEAKER_00]: You put the podcast out and you get it in dribs and dribs.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you do have to adjust to that. [SPEAKER_02]: So totally different field. [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mean that it's less than or that people aren't watching a painting different. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just different. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a different. [SPEAKER_02]: So I can't let that get to me. [SPEAKER_02]: And also with these things, they take a lot of build up. [SPEAKER_02]: Your podcast is for better. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure now, then where it was in the first year, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just gets built up eventually. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so everyone check out the Salakata Show and all the platforms. [SPEAKER_00]: These Salakata Show will pop. [SPEAKER_00]: This is come out at the same time every day. [SPEAKER_02]: We're working on what the best time is to put on YouTube, but yes, it'll be in your Apple and Spotify feed should be in their first thing in the morning.

[SPEAKER_02]: YouTube, we're still figuring out which, which is the best time to have it go. [SPEAKER_02]: There'll be some live shows in there, all that stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, good. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, enjoy the games this weekend. [SPEAKER_00]: It's over, get depressed. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you next week. [SPEAKER_00]: Stay warm. [SPEAKER_00]: Take care. [SPEAKER_00]: My many, many thanks to Scott VanPelt, my thanks to Salacata and my thanks to you for listening.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is greatly appreciated if you missed any recent episodes. [SPEAKER_00]: Go check them out. [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Tureko from NBC was on last week or a lot of lids for me as a PN 2 weeks ago. [SPEAKER_00]: At our 2025 year end, extravaganza would be to share your energy of pearl off. [SPEAKER_00]: Joe Buck was on the pod at the end of 2025. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you missed any of those episodes, go give them a listen. [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you subscribe slash follow as I need you.

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