ESPN's Joe Buck + Traina Thoughts

[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome, everyone, to SI Media with Jimmy Traina. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for listening. [SPEAKER_02]: On today's show, we have the voice of Monday night. [SPEAKER_02]: Football, Joe Bok, who is outstanding cover a lot of ground with Joe on working with Troy Ackbin and they're upcoming schedule. [SPEAKER_02]: They got some good games here to close out the season. [SPEAKER_02]: Joe also is recently named the Ford C Frick Award winner.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be... [SPEAKER_02]: honored at the Hall of Fame for that is we get into that and a couple of other things with Joe who is always entertaining and then we have trained thoughts with Salacata after the interview with Joe Buck before we get to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jobok, followed by Trana, thought it's all right here, right now. [SPEAKER_02]: on SI Media with Jimmy Tren. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, joining me now. [SPEAKER_02]: Congratulations, aren't ordered. [SPEAKER_02]: Just want to big award. [SPEAKER_02]: Got the end of the season. [SPEAKER_02]: Comment a lot of exciting things going on. [SPEAKER_02]: The voice of Monday night football. [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Buck. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm good, Jimmy, how are you?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's good to do our little yearly trip down memory lane and look into the future on your podcast. [SPEAKER_03]: I've been eagerly anticipating this since the last time we hung up. [SPEAKER_02]: not gonna lie. [SPEAKER_02]: I almost wanted a cancel when you made a six seven joke on Monday night. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know. [SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty you. [SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty you.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is except I have seven year olds and if you can do one thing that it's funny because this is the world we live in. [SPEAKER_03]: My sister is with my boys. [SPEAKER_03]: And I did the six, seven thing during the open and my sister Julie immediately texted me we go to commercially a text from my sister that says why it said oh my god that was awesome that's going viral.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like how does he even know what that is but it was a tip of the capital, Blake and Wyatt and then I don't care if you don't like it yet another thing I don't care if you don't like. [SPEAKER_02]: Now I feel bad. [SPEAKER_02]: Now you threw the kids out there, because when it happened I was like I should cancel Joe and get Troy on instead. [SPEAKER_02]: Since Troy was just so Troy like Troy showed why he's a whole other level than every other analyst on Monday night.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not taking the bullshit from the referee is calling out the dolphins for a trotaceist play calling like that was a that was a virtuoso from Troy on Monday. [SPEAKER_03]: I actually thought about you when he was talking about the haunting thing or Jordan Brooks standing over whoever it was and then him getting a flag and then Russell talking and Troy refuting it and I thought man if there's anybody who's got to just shitty and grin on his face right now it's Jimmy Traina.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's you got the trainer you've got that right you've got that right you got you guys have You guys have a good ending here because you get you get the Niners Colts game, which will be big And you have another game that's gonna be good in there. [SPEAKER_02]: No, you have you have yeah Sanfred Indy and then Chicago Sanfred right those are you guys two games Why do I have that wrong?

[SPEAKER_02]: I know I had that wrong Sanfred Sanfred Indianapolis right and then Rams at Falcons [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's a gross. [SPEAKER_02]: I looked at the Sunday night game. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it was. [SPEAKER_02]: That's gross, the Falcons. [SPEAKER_02]: But this week will be the finest cults become to big thing now, because of Philip Rivers, like can you believe he's playing? [SPEAKER_03]: No, I cannot believe anybody could walk away from this game and then five years later.

[SPEAKER_03]: Pick it right back up after coaching high school or whatever he's doing, being a dad to 11 kids and at least one grand kid because we can officially call him a grandfather and then going back out there and stepping in and at least having his team in a position to win. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's, [SPEAKER_03]: that's absurd, really. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it just speaks to how smart he is and he's not doing it with raw athleticism.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's doing it with his mind and in his knowledge of the offense, which evidently he's running for the high school team that he's coaching. [SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to talk to him. [SPEAKER_03]: He was great when we talked to him before. [SPEAKER_03]: When he was a player and now I'm sure he's got an entirely new perspective after getting out of the game.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he was going to be a broadcaster and I thought he, you know, when he walked away, it seemed like that was the next natural step for him.

[SPEAKER_03]: uh... and i thought he would be really good i think he would kind of have a folksy almost like done maridiff kind of vibe to him and and kind of have that you know the southern accent thing going which makes him my think lovable right out of the gate but he didn't do it for whatever reason and uh... so now areas resetting his hall of fame clock and we'll see how we play is against the forty nine is on one day [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you meet with him in person, you do it on Zoom.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, we're all Zoom for the most part. [SPEAKER_03]: These days Jimmy, I don't want to let you down or burst your bubble or you think less of us, but yeah, I, you know, back in the day. [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe we've talked about this. [SPEAKER_03]: So just stop me to sit and session or whatever we do if I'm boring you, but we should get there on Friday morning.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the old drill Friday morning home team practice sit around wait for people to struggle in and talk to them and get in the car go back to whatever city we were in. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was maybe the world's biggest waste of time, at least in my world. [SPEAKER_03]: Now, if you have to recall on here, he may say something totally different. [SPEAKER_03]: If you have dance on here, may love going to practice.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would rather read and do the work that I need to do with the time I have, then stand out at practice. [SPEAKER_03]: watch them run through drills half-heartedly, and then come in and, you know, sit in a big room, go to a big dinner, get up, do it again on Saturday, wait for the visiting team to come in. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not complaining, it's an unbelievable life, I'm lucky sky in the world. [SPEAKER_03]: But just doing it on Zoom, we know all these guys anyway.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like they cut to the chase, and [SPEAKER_03]: Oddly enough, or maybe not oddly enough, they prefer it, and I think when they prefer it, and they don't feel like you're holding them captives. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you get more information out of them than you would otherwise when they're kind of itching to get out of the room. [SPEAKER_03]: So we get just as much.

[SPEAKER_03]: information just as much background as we always did and I can be at my desk doing work on my board, which is gotten jammed more as the years have gone on. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I didn't plan on asking this and it just popped into my head while you were talking about this. [SPEAKER_02]: There was, and you don't have to get into this if you don't want it, but there was that whole thing earlier in the season with [SPEAKER_02]: they were supposed to do it on zoom then though, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that yeah, I mean, that that's yeah, we we had them that was before the or that would that whole thing happened after the Washington game, which was [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, you can count the weeks, probably like six, six, seven, six, seven, seven. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh God. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no. [SPEAKER_03]: I've kids. [SPEAKER_03]: It's in my hands. [SPEAKER_03]: But it was somewhere. [SPEAKER_03]: Now we had them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And so we had already been through that where, you know, these, these meetings are all set up. [SPEAKER_03]: on their time. [SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of the beauty of it. [SPEAKER_03]: I think when we were just talking about the difference between in person and on Zoom, if you do it on Zoom, you can go to the PR director.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, whenever it works for you guys and we've had them sometimes where they're spread out and we're sitting there for an hour at different slots in the same day for the same team and it's just like, hey, we understand you guys are busy. [SPEAKER_03]: You're preparing for a game. [SPEAKER_03]: The last thing you probably [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of part of the drill, but we will do it when it works for you on your schedule.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so we had that same issue week one with Caleb, and then we had it again. [SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, I guess he brought it up saying, well, I didn't talk to Troy, but we sat on a Zoom waiting forever, and he just never came. [SPEAKER_03]: So, [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know what else we can do. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: He's the implication that like Troy didn't show up for me. [SPEAKER_03]: That's the part that bothered me the most.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like whoa, whoa, whoa. [SPEAKER_03]: This this this was on your guy's schedule and we sat there and [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we did it happen twice within the first six or seven weeks and it's, you know, whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: It's, Troy was great. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Troy, you know, I think he goes back to the time. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't mean to speak for him, but he's not here last I checked. [SPEAKER_03]: So I will.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he loved that time with Madden Summer all, you know, he's told you, I'm sure that it was like therapy to him when he went in that room because he saw them week after week after week and he became really good friends with both Pat and John because they had the cowboys do the cowboys the packers of the 49ers pretty much every week. [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like therapy to them.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think when when Troy saw other people in that room, I can tell you because it was whatever when his career was winding down and I was in the room with Tim Green and he showed up and he's like, who the hell are these people? [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: never seen this guy and that's Tim Green and where's Pat and John and if they're not here something's really happened to the Dallas Cowboys at these two shrubs are doing the game.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think he realizes and we all do, hey, you have bigger things to do than talk to us and if it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit, just tell us and we'll go on about our day and [SPEAKER_03]: that we weren't there or he wasn't there was not an accurate description of how that all went down. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had a feeling that was the case because I remember you came on here and after when I Troy and we went through how, you know, Troy doesn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Troy thinks if you're 10 minutes earlier, late. [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, there's no way Troy blew off a meeting with me. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god. [SPEAKER_03]: He's well, he's on every call. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's the same thing like in the car. [SPEAKER_03]: He's on the call. [SPEAKER_03]: 15, 20 minutes before it's supposed to start, waiting to get lead into the room as we say now in the Zoom world or whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, by the time they're 10 minutes later, he's been on the call for 25 minutes. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, trust me, we were sitting there. [SPEAKER_03]: It just didn't, just for whatever reason. [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_03]: It just didn't happen. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have to [SPEAKER_02]: Be conscious of like, let's not overdo it with Philip Rivers this week. [SPEAKER_02]: Or is it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, he's 44 years old. [SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't played in five years. [SPEAKER_02]: This is the story we could pound it as much as we want. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, no, because it's not the story and I don't think it should be the story. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Philip would want it to be the story and there's an entire, you know, NFL fan base that brews for the 49ers that is not going to want that to be the story. [SPEAKER_03]: The story is whatever the game presents.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think most of the time, you know, we all fall in love with these storylines going in and very rarely. [SPEAKER_03]: there's the game follow what the storyline was supposed to be. [SPEAKER_03]: So for me, we talk about it at the beginning. [SPEAKER_03]: You can't ignore it. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it is an interesting storyline. [SPEAKER_03]: And then you just talk about how he's playing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he'd go into the, you know, what's he been doing over the last five years, the health insurance stuff, all the other things that are out there now because he's come back. [SPEAKER_03]: I think he just covered the game and go home. [SPEAKER_02]: And Buzz, I mean, the cult play of hopes are on the line too.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm sure the cult's fan cares more about that than even hearing about the, you know, yeah, I mean, they're on the edge of it and trying to fight their way back in after seven and one start. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you have to do the game. [SPEAKER_03]: And this is an interesting storyline that I like all great story lines evaporate after the first 10 minutes of the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I screwed up writing my notes. [SPEAKER_02]: The bears San Francisco is the Sunday night game the week after. [SPEAKER_02]: So you have nighters of cults, then you have Rams Falcons. [SPEAKER_02]: Now here's what I'm curious about. [SPEAKER_02]: Week 18, you don't know the game you're calling yet.

[SPEAKER_02]: They leave everything sort of T.B.D. [SPEAKER_03]: like that or that does that annoy you from a prep standpoint or like you've been doing so long it doesn't know this is that I think it's great you know that's it's the one time when we switched from Fox to ESPN ABC at Monday night football we we are handed a schedule in May or whenever comes out and that's pretty much the schedule unless the game as we know is just completely [SPEAKER_03]: then those are the games we're doing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so when we were at Fox, you know, I think earlier in the year, they had a Cincinnati Fox had a Cincinnati Buffalo game that was going to be one of their biggest games of the year. [SPEAKER_03]: And I may have one of those teams wrong, but, you know, Cincinnati had the year that they had, and they were able to switch into Bears Packers.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, you have an inventory to select from, and there's probably in that inventory [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you didn't know it was going to be that big of a matchup. [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously Packers bears is always a big game, but Everybody expected the other one to be and they can flip into the other one and and move some things around and it's not as convoluted a process as we have to go through on a Monday night.

[SPEAKER_03]: So having us in line for a game that means something which is what we should get week 18 and usually because our games are on Saturday that day [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a standalone win-and-in, but doesn't really affect other games, you know, so we get a couple of years ago, we had Houston and Indy, where the winner wins the AFC South losers out. [SPEAKER_03]: That's it, cut and dried here in the play. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a mini playoff game.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a couple of games there that makes sense as we sit here now, probably Baltimore, Pittsburgh is a possibility, Caroline at Tampa Bay, kind of fits that criteria, but I can't have that in front, could be in the mix. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't act like I've gone through all the different [SPEAKER_03]: permutations, but it's kind of that that's the way the NFL likes to go with it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And suddenly Sunday night gets the big bush forward, you know, you know, that's the last game of the year. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's right. [SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be, you know, they're they're biggest to that weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be shocked if you didn't get one of those three games on Saturday. [SPEAKER_03]: I think we would be too, but you know, who knows, things change and certainly will between now and then.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure something will happen that we don't know is coming right now. [SPEAKER_02]: I have so much I want to get to with you with the Ford Frick and Indiana Football. [SPEAKER_02]: Let me just stay on NFL here for a little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: You think there will be a collective [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we kind of wish the chiefs were in the playoffs this year. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think good riddance from for the for the overall NFL landscape?

[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think will miss the chiefs or we could use a break from the chiefs? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think those are two. [SPEAKER_03]: I think you can say, oh, you know, they win every year and it becomes fatigue because it's almost baked into the to the season like of course they're going to be and so, you know, what are the other 13 teams are going to be in the playoffs. [SPEAKER_03]: my favorite place to go.

[SPEAKER_03]: Doing a Patrick Mahomes game, Kelsey, you know, everything that goes on with the chiefs, the atmosphere in that stadium, I'll miss it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you that. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the audience is with the numbers that they get. [SPEAKER_03]: with people tuning in to watch the chiefs play, whether they want to watch him win or lose, it tells you that they are as strong a brand as any in the national football league.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think, you know, some people could say, oh, as we see him every year, blah, blah, blah, blah. [SPEAKER_03]: But I, I think it'll, it'll be a little bit of a hit that they're not in there of ratings. [SPEAKER_03]: Why? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no one's gonna, no one's gonna be more upset about them being out of it than our friend Al-Michael's on Christmas night. [SPEAKER_02]: Now they're stuck with Denver K.C. [SPEAKER_02]: The game means nothing and my home's isn't even playing.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a rough one there for Alan Amazon. [SPEAKER_03]: He'll be right. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, come on, come on. [SPEAKER_03]: We're worried. [SPEAKER_03]: You know what's al, nobody, go ahead. [SPEAKER_03]: No, you go. [SPEAKER_03]: You go.

[SPEAKER_03]: Al is one of the most awesome people that I've got in no better over the last few years and nobody makes me laugh like that guy like I will get a text a random text that is so funny about whatever game I'm doing or whatever hotel they put us in or like he cares about all that stuff and and I

[SPEAKER_03]: I it just makes me laugh and and you know the games and the little comments and he is so funny to me and and so it's been I would say the last four or five years I've got to know him a lot better and and I'm so glad because I used to think of him more [SPEAKER_03]: As my dad's generation or, you know, he was doing Monday and I football on TV. [SPEAKER_03]: My dad was doing Monday and I football on the radio. [SPEAKER_03]: I saw this big TV star over there.

[SPEAKER_03]: He kind of felt like in that group. [SPEAKER_03]: And now I get to call him a friend and somebody who always wants to face time and whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: And I just love the guy. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'll slip in some complaint. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: He will not let it go. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the focus is so much on the chiefs. [SPEAKER_02]: There's also a danger of the lion. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not being in the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_02]: That could be a hit too because they are the number one that in terms of fun. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the number one team in the league to watch. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, from the head coach, the quarterback is is I mean, beloved, he's is genuine a guy is there isn't a lead. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Gibbs [SPEAKER_03]: you could make the case is the best running back in the national football league all things considered. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's just a great atmosphere there.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that would stink. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, we have the Super Bowl next year. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, [SPEAKER_03]: So you see these teams now and Detroit's in that category of, you know, my god, if they could ever get there, man, it would be so fun to do them in a super bowl. [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, you know, people as we've talked about a thousand times, I was root. [SPEAKER_03]: or think I'm rooting for against or all that other stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, I just want really fun compelling matchups. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Whoever wins or loses, I don't care. [SPEAKER_03]: But the hype around any Detroit game is great. [SPEAKER_03]: The hype around every cheap game is great. [SPEAKER_03]: And there are a few of those brands, even Buffalo. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to go the entire year without doing a Buffalo game.

[SPEAKER_03]: Which is crazy to me, but you know, maybe in the playoffs, maybe we get him in the playoffs, but yeah, I I agree with you about Detroit because they're just fun. [SPEAKER_03]: They're fun to watch. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Where is the Super Bowl next year when you guys have LA? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'll be easy for you then. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: LA are you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is that something that's on your mind that you guys have the Super Bowl next year? [SPEAKER_02]: Is it something that's more on the mind of ESPN than Joe Buck right now? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, when will you get into the fact that you guys have the Super Bowl next year? [SPEAKER_03]: I think part of me has been on that track since the second we signed with ESPN and ABC.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was kind of the drive line that on both sides, like, you know, because we left in a Super Bowl year at Fox, [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, yeah, but there's still one coming now at ABC. [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like it was, you know, light years from then. [SPEAKER_03]: And now here we are, you know, almost a calendar year away.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's been a long slow build at ESPN, a guy named Andy Tenant is kind of, [SPEAKER_03]: doing all of the prep and and getting the entire presentation together for the network. [SPEAKER_03]: I just sat through which sounds like a negative. [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like mouth open just in all of all the things he and we and they have prepared already kind of taking over Santa Monica [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to be a spectacle and I think Disney, the power of Disney is going to make it really special and Andy's a really smart guy, but they have a countdown clock in the offices there and it's been going for a while now and it's going to be real and I got to talk after that presentation.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, you know, I've been lucky enough to do a handful of these and what you realize when you do it the first couple of times you get all that hype in the two weeks and all the build up and the network executives and the sales people and all the stuff and then it's some point.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have to identify who the kicker is, who the two people are waiting for the kick off, who makes the tackle and it's like, okay, there's a game and so I'd like to think that they know they're in good hands with Troy and me doing this game and our entire group, which I think is getting better and better and better, week by week.

[SPEAKER_03]: And [SPEAKER_03]: you know, but it's some point there's a game and when you're doing it the first couple times like, whoa, hey, here we go. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, kickoff is down to the six and it's returned by Johnson out to the 25 and that's where whoever will set up to start tonight, that's, it's kind of a jolt, but I can't wait to do it next next February. [SPEAKER_02]: And you'll have the rare pleasure of calling a Super Bowl on Valentine's Day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what's the over-under on Valentine's Day jokes you can make during the Super Bowl? [SPEAKER_02]: That would be like a, like, you can't go more than what, like three and a half, maybe? [SPEAKER_03]: What is that with that, the number you're putting on it? [SPEAKER_02]: I would remember if you go over, if you go over three and a half, I'll have to write something negative the next day and say, Joe, push the Valentine's Day to hard. [SPEAKER_03]: I would say maybe one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I this is like when I was on stern the week before this the Super Bowl I did I think it was the Houston one and he's going through all the prop bits and I'm like I'll just tell you right now if you want to make some money. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me give me a list. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll just send it all to you. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have a a little baby beard on my face when I come on. [SPEAKER_03]: What colors might I going to be?

[SPEAKER_03]: What colors my shirt? [SPEAKER_03]: How many times we're going to reference Tom Brady in the goat and that he was a six thromb pick and all this other stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, this is the most that you can bet on that. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, it's underserved. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the most, I mean, I should just, you know, fix that and walk off into [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I have your number.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can get the information but you got you you have to mention like Valentine's Day in the open in some cute thing. [SPEAKER_02]: I always spending Valentine then like [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if there's a play where someone may be tackled someone to heart, oh, it's Valentine's Day that was a love tap. [SPEAKER_02]: You know that there'll be a couple of moments you'll get that's good. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to I need to write these down.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I will be all over the Valentine's Day jokes because there is my wife can tell you ain't nobody love Valentine's Day like me. [SPEAKER_03]: I am Mr. [SPEAKER_03]: Romantic. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see how, well, I do think we'll get some good stories about couples breaking up over the Valentine's Day Super Bowl combo like it. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you better get in here. [SPEAKER_03]: What are you doing? [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you not?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not even going to get myself in trouble with that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that'll be I know ESPN that they've been they've had that they mark for a while. [SPEAKER_02]: So that'll be that'll be fun to see get you and Troy back there calling a Super Bowl next year on looking forward to that. [SPEAKER_02]: Now what's going on here. [SPEAKER_02]: Is there any chance at all somewhere down the road?

[SPEAKER_02]: When I've double duty, Joe Buck, good morning, America, and Monday night football, would we go into morning television here as you have graced ABC, the breakfast show with your presence here? [SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, I've enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_03]: I continue to enjoy it. [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds corny and it's, I don't even wanna say it, but, [SPEAKER_03]: It's true.

[SPEAKER_03]: They make it so easy for me to slide in there and act like I know what I'm doing or act like I'm part of the show and I've done it with George a couple of times, Rebecca Jarvis a couple of times Robin Roberts. [SPEAKER_03]: I did it with Strafe for I think twice Michael Strahan and I [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. [SPEAKER_03]: They're great. [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy kind of doing that and exercising different muscles in the business.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got to, you know, my wife, Michelle Bayesnerbuck, who was in GMA 3. [SPEAKER_03]: The last time I did it, which was a couple of Mondays ago, and just to be on set with her and show what she and I can do together, you know, with microphones and giving each other trouble is, [SPEAKER_03]: is fun. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really, you don't get the room when you're doing play by play to show personality. [SPEAKER_03]: That's why forever. [SPEAKER_03]: That's why I wrote a book.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's why I go on stirrens, why I do podcast. [SPEAKER_03]: It's why, you know, people, they feel like they have you pigeonholed after the Randy Moss touched down thing and green bay and everybody thinks they know [SPEAKER_03]: to show, you know, your personality is a good thing and I think it feeds ever so slightly back into what I do when I'm standing there on Monday night football or before that with a world series or whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: So I, I think all that stuff's good.

[SPEAKER_03]: The more you can show, the more rounded you are. [SPEAKER_02]: So if I could bet on a little Joe Buckley part of Good Morning America at some point, even though you said no, I don't even understand why why that no. [SPEAKER_02]: I bet yes based on your [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know, you seem like you've enjoyed it, you seem like you really enjoyed it, and very freeing to new.

[SPEAKER_03]: you know, something like that, when you don't want the job, because it's like, okay, if this is bad, then it's okay, well then it's bad. [SPEAKER_03]: I can't do it and I stink and whatever and they'll not ask me back. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the good thing is they continue to ask me back, but I'm not like, hey, don't forget about me when you're putting your line up together for next year. [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm a good pinch hit, I'm like the rusty stop of good morning.

[SPEAKER_03]: If they need somebody, they'll bring in, look around the orange to come in and sit down at one of those chairs. [SPEAKER_03]: But the crew there, it's really a well well done show, which I was not. [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know what it would be like and they were great. [SPEAKER_02]: In all seriousness, if they did want you to do that job, what would you with those hours? [SPEAKER_02]: Would you want to do that over the hours prevent you from doing it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Or you couldn't care about the hours? [SPEAKER_03]: No, I, the hours are, are different. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, I'm not used to getting up at 430. [SPEAKER_03]: I think I reset my internal body clock when I was doing baseball every night with the Cardinals when I was in my 20s early 20s and I became, I just flipped it. [SPEAKER_03]: So I. [SPEAKER_03]: you know, every night you're doing a game to get home. [SPEAKER_03]: It's 10 30. [SPEAKER_03]: It's 11.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're on the road. [SPEAKER_03]: You go to the hotel bar. [SPEAKER_03]: You get up the next day. [SPEAKER_03]: You're playing golf. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you go to do the game that night. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just this treadmill of these weird hours.

[SPEAKER_03]: And eventually, I think you're [SPEAKER_03]: You get all shifts and it's like I can stay up all night, but you call me at six o'clock at seven o'clock in the morning and I'm a mess And so to get up at 430 Even though they make it easy here in Manhattan where you're you walk across the street into the studio You know, I'm in there at 530 the morning the crazy thing is if you don't do good morning America free You walk out and you are done with work at 9 a.m. [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, now watch. [SPEAKER_03]: So you go to have breakfast and go to bed or I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would have to completely reset the, you know, the way I, I look at the world. [SPEAKER_02]: Not that you're not handsomely paid now, but that morning television money could be enticing. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they make big bucks.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's, it's, uh, I think, [SPEAKER_03]: I'm honest when I say, you know, my girls live in New York and one's married and one's they're both very happy and I couldn't be more thankful and then I've got seven year old twins and yeah that's trying to pack stuff in just to say hey I'm doing this and I'm doing that and I'm doing this I just I'm not in that mode right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Someone that's someone on who told me they do wait [SPEAKER_02]: the WWE wrestler Seth Rollins because he does good morning football sometimes and he does it from our lay where he lives he said what he likes about it is he'll do it now so that's the show starts at eight here so it starts at five o'clock in the morning local where he is he said he likes it because he leaves and takes his kids to school [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then what?

[SPEAKER_03]: And then you're just like a zombie the rest of the day. [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I was a kid and I was doing morning radio in St. Louis and I was playing Legion baseball and that was every night. [SPEAKER_03]: We played every night or had a practice every night.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I just I would go home after morning radio taken up the alarm would go off at four o'clock or five o'clock in the evening and I'd [SPEAKER_03]: be I wouldn't know if it was five a.m. or five p.m. and it was I don't know how people do that. [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't I don't have that kind of ability to just go to sleep like C3PO and just unplug and just power down and then just hey, I'm up ready for the day. [SPEAKER_03]: It takes me a while to get to get this system running.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just looking at a tweet here the ratings this year have been crazy for you guys in everywhere They they had CBS had almost 20 they had 24 and a half million for Green Bay Denver on Sunday They had 19 million [SPEAKER_02]: for the Buffalo Patriots and the chiefs charge is one o'clock window. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the biggest one o'clock window in 37 years. [SPEAKER_02]: You and ESPN Monday night, your guys are ratings are up across the board.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know Nielsen, they're doing something different, but are you guys, do you keep up with that or you don't care? [SPEAKER_03]: I just like the general feel of like up or down, like if it feels like we'll be up some this year over last, I think that's always just a good story and a nice headline, but you know, it doesn't affect me doing the Steelers and Dolphins last night. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think about that kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you always want to do the biggest game of the week and every once in a while we get one where it's like, okay, this is going to be big and then you add to that you get an overtime game or You know, a huge audience for us over 20 million In the game we did the previous week, which was the chargers in the eagles. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was a good game when in overtime and [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that stuff's so good.

[SPEAKER_03]: It makes everybody happy around the company and makes bosses happy at lifts morale and you feel like, you know, you make a difference. [SPEAKER_03]: Even though, again, it comes down to the schedule to kind of game you get, you know, whether I just go on and babble for three hours. [SPEAKER_03]: It's probably not going to affect the rating at all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe after I get let out and handcuffs, but I just, it makes everybody a little, a little, gives everybody a little more bounce in their stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, speaking of balance in the step, you got a big honor recently. [SPEAKER_02]: You will be inducted, well, not inducted. [SPEAKER_02]: You will be honored, honored on July 25th as the Ford C. Frick Award winner in just reading the notes on that, which struck me, even though I knew it. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not news.

[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that you were 27 when you called your first world series is really remarkable. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you did so many world series. [SPEAKER_02]: I have the 20 I think you, whatever it was. [SPEAKER_02]: 24. [SPEAKER_02]: 24. [SPEAKER_02]: 24. [SPEAKER_02]: So let's start with this. [SPEAKER_02]: What did getting that award, what does that mean to you? [SPEAKER_03]: I got emotional and I didn't know that I would. [SPEAKER_03]: I was not expecting it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I swear to God, you know, I know this. [SPEAKER_03]: Bob Costa was my champion in the room. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, they change the rules, not that you want to get into all this, but they change the rules, few years ago, where it used to be the national quote unquote national broadcasters would get considered every three years. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, now everybody's in the same pool. [SPEAKER_03]: And that that kind of works, I think, against the national project.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like national should not be mixed with local, but that's just my opinion. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I can't act, and I'm going to have now but it'd be part of the voting committee, I guess. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll have a better understanding of all that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, these are people that are doing these games every day, and I live that life, and I know what that takes, and I saw that from my dad, and I know the commitment, and it's just a different job.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a completely different job, you know, doing the national games, [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and you sometimes at least I felt like an interlope or when I would show up and, you know, act like Mr. Bigshot, doing the Yankees Red Sox and you've got, you know, whether it's John Sterling or, uh, jokes stick Leone, who, it doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_03]: Every team has their, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And so it I didn't think it was going to come this year to go back to your question.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was I was at a golf event down in Mexico in Kabul and I was sitting there with two of my very good friends and the I knew the call if I was to get in was going to come in.

[SPEAKER_03]: whatever was 10 o'clock that day it was 10 15 and I was like, yeah, I kind of knew it wasn't coming and then it just popped up and I got a call from a Cooperstown number and I was told and I choked up because I think of all the connections with my dad and I said it on the broadcast last night, I'm Monday night football. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like everywhere he's [SPEAKER_03]: I go, my dad has been there before, and I love that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love that in so many different ways, but it also, you know, it's still [SPEAKER_03]: leans into my imposter syndrome and all the other stuff that that I deal with in my own mind that that I see a therapist for. [SPEAKER_03]: So I I deal with all that, but this was one because I when I was when my dad went in in 1987 it was the summer after my senior year in high school and I had never seen my dad that happy. [SPEAKER_03]: I'd never seen my dad that proud.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'd never seen my dad [SPEAKER_03]: you know, he normally he would be they have these great parties and my dad would give the preamble of the story for the song Danny Boy and my dad would tell this great Irish story about a father whose last son is going off to war and it's this [SPEAKER_03]: beautiful story. [SPEAKER_03]: And then somebody else would sing, oh, Danny Boy, the pipe's there.

[SPEAKER_03]: And my dad was so hammered at the celebration after the, after the award presentation that he just went in and started singing it himself. [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like in the corner, like, oh my god, that stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: This is so bad. [SPEAKER_03]: But he was so happy. [SPEAKER_03]: And it just was, it was like the hinnacle of his professional life.

[SPEAKER_03]: And [SPEAKER_03]: You know, to now have somebody call me and tell me that all these years later and I get to go in there and join my dad on this board they have in Cooperstown is surreal to me because it's nothing I ever thought of. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you said the first world series of 27 doing that was never even on my mind. [SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to be my dad. [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to be the Cardinals announcer and I was so lucky and glad I did.

[SPEAKER_03]: But saying the Yankees or Champions of baseball, that sentence never kicked around in my head. [SPEAKER_03]: It's all just kind of weird that that that went on and it feels like a lifetime ago. [SPEAKER_03]: And now I get to celebrate with my wife and my girls and my sons and my mom, who's there in 87, it's just really cool. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you call 24 world series. [SPEAKER_02]: You should get the freaking award. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's about time.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, do you think it's also a little bit like, you know, absence makes the heart go, grow, father like you haven't called baseball now for several years, which is nonsense. [SPEAKER_02]: And now, once you stop calling baseball, there was so much. [SPEAKER_02]: I miss Joe Buckley, miss Joe Buckley, miss Joe Buckley, miss we miss Joe Buckley, miss we miss Joe Buckley, because he got plays a role in getting the award or those people don't maybe.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I don't know, which is just silly. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's just a, that's a common phenomenon. [SPEAKER_03]: You got a retire or die before anybody goes, Oh, that was all right. [SPEAKER_03]: And, and, you know, it's in great hands now. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel like that personally. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that played in. [SPEAKER_03]: I think my age being 56 is still

[SPEAKER_03]: considered young ish for something like this um yep so i i think that's all it played but i i was never like oh my god this should have happened years ago i'm not that guy i'm i if it happened one years from now it still would have meant the same and would have been that impactful to me it's just my mom wouldn't have been here i might not have been here to to see that happen so for it to happen now i think you know with the mom factor in there i think is

[SPEAKER_03]: is is the best piece of it. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's well deserved. [SPEAKER_02]: That's a sure. [SPEAKER_02]: And every every time I talk to you, I always say, Joe, why can't you just cut the shit and call some baseball for you? [SPEAKER_02]: It's piano now. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I have a 30 game package next year. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'll do an opening day. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you're doing opening day. [SPEAKER_02]: He's feeling that on your podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that is open.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, opening day this year, they sold the one game tonight. [SPEAKER_03]: It's not opening day. [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I just, they're first broadcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so you need to do it. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so you'll be doing the first major league baseball broadcast for ESPN, opening day after the next. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the way it's laid out right now. [SPEAKER_03]: We're trying to piece it all together. [SPEAKER_03]: I do.

[SPEAKER_02]: going to do anything more than opening day. [SPEAKER_03]: I think opening day for somebody who hasn't been involved in the game for four years and I did do opening day last year. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's easier to do the launch off of the beginning of a season because I think it's looking back, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a lot to talk about, I mean, I could probably do it right now, you know, the Dodgers have their lineups going to end up in the Hall of Fame.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's there, they're easy names and all that, but I think once you start getting into the season, [SPEAKER_03]: That was the beauty of when I was doing the cardinals. [SPEAKER_03]: I would do the game of the week. [SPEAKER_03]: But it was easy to keep up to date because I was doing these storylines every day. [SPEAKER_03]: I think when you show up in the middle of a year or now, hey, the SPN's got a playoff series, do you wanna do it? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, have I watched?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: Am I aware of all these different transactions and all deserves? [SPEAKER_03]: No. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not prepared to do that without, you know, putting myself in solitary confinement for a month and trying to catch up with everything that's gone on. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: So just one game next year. [SPEAKER_03]: as it stands now. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even honest to God.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know what what what ESPN has. [SPEAKER_03]: I think Jimmy put Jimmy put Tara has been on this crazy role of of of this like win, win, win, win, win and got the got the out of market games for the app, which I think. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they have this MLB TV. [SPEAKER_01]: MLB TV. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: MLB TV is gigantic. [SPEAKER_03]: So I have whatever it is going to have. [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have 30 games.

[SPEAKER_02]: during the year, during the week, but they don't have Tuesday at seven or Wednesday eight. [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be flexible, but there's 30 games and it's usually going to be like Tuesday Wednesdays, I think. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there you go. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to get, you know, bring it down. [SPEAKER_02]: But you do, I do feel like you're in the sort of celebrity world that you did the podcast with Oliver Hudson.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to, did you know Rob, Ryan or it all? [SPEAKER_02]: Did you have any memories with the, was he on the podcast that I should have checked, but just wondering if you even know.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, I just, I'm like everybody else, just bored, and it's, [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think for any parent, you know, it's just there's so many tentacles to this story and it seems like another little tidbit comes out every day, but I, I never knew them have a lot of friends that did certainly did and I've talked to a couple of them, but I, yeah, I don't, I don't have any personal contact there at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, give me, give me your favorite Rob Reiner directed movie. [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: I could probably win Harry Met Sally. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love that little. [SPEAKER_03]: This is final tap. [SPEAKER_03]: And a few good men. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_03]: Those are the ones that are coming to the top of my head. [SPEAKER_03]: What am I missing? [SPEAKER_01]: Is there some of there's a stand by stand by me?

[SPEAKER_01]: It would be I think the big one that maybe you didn't mention. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I just I just went Jerry O'Connell.

[SPEAKER_03]: at the charger game a couple of weeks ago and I you know that hit at a good time you know with with my age and all that so I right obviously really talented and then you know seeing the clips that are coming up on my Instagram when I when I go to it or any social media and some of these [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you realize that the brilliance of the writing and the death of the material and, you know, these wrong moments.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I just came across one today when Meadhead, I think his name was Mike in the show. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Mike in. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Archie and Mike in Gloria are moving out to California.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there's this really poignant moment between Rob Reiner and Carol O'Connor that is there subtle things going on in the acting and you realize I mean that was there was a sitcom and it was such a reflection of society and there's so many so many taboo topics that today's like oh my god I can't believe that was on network television

[SPEAKER_03]: But it was, I mean, I was watching it, you know, as a kid and probably not understanding the depth of the material and, you know, shining a mirror up against society and making us all just realize, you know, old prejudices and different things that they were just kind of baked in and just all of us seeing it. [SPEAKER_03]: But this, these beautiful little moments, the comedy, the timing, [SPEAKER_03]: It just was brilliance, and there's just nothing like that anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's too bad because I think generations now have come and gone and don't know anything about all in the family and it's some heavy stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, essentially you said that because I remember to watching it as a kid. [SPEAKER_02]: I remember even watching it as a teenager, maybe even in my early 20s. [SPEAKER_02]: But you watch it now and you have a whole new appreciation because there's so much of it with the, you know, liberal versus conservative.

[SPEAKER_02]: It reflects so much of today. [SPEAKER_02]: The way it holds up is crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: So [SPEAKER_03]: and the spinoffs that happened off that show I mean Jefferson's being just being the the main one and and you know that was more of the same more of the hey let's look at really what's going on in in America right now and and you know different groups and how they're made to feel and jokes and you know as I said before prejudices it's it's you know normal [SPEAKER_03]: TV anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll make the bizarre transition to do something a little more uplifting here. [SPEAKER_02]: Indiana football, the passion of yours, can they win the title? [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's let's be honest here. [SPEAKER_03]: I went to Indiana. [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't graduate. [SPEAKER_03]: I was in I was I got there in 87 this semester.

[SPEAKER_03]: After they last won it all Basketball the Bobby night the Keith smart shot from the baseline against Syracuse like I remember being like that's my team. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going there We're gonna win every year and nothing on the basketball side has come close [SPEAKER_03]: to what it was like five minutes before I got there. [SPEAKER_03]: So then I get there and Indiana football was pretty good. [SPEAKER_03]: It was not bad Trent Green who was basically the same age as I am.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think maybe half a year older than me. [SPEAKER_03]: Or as a year older than me in school was in the same dorm. [SPEAKER_03]: I followed him there I was certainly aware of him Anthony Thompson the running back and then there's like a gap And but I used to go to all the games because I couldn't get enough and you got a student Package of tickets and all that same with basketball.

[SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't get enough and but then when I left and they weren't good it was like [SPEAKER_03]: you know, are they on a watch or whatever? [SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm almost like a bandwagon fan.

[SPEAKER_03]: But what's going on in the last two years is as good a job of coaching as I've ever seen and maybe it's the good side of the NIL stuff and the transfer portal because if you have a and I'm not a fan of all that movement and [SPEAKER_03]: I know the money and all that's crazy to me, but if you have a coach that knows how to coach and can identify talent and get them into a program, you can turn things around fast and I think last year they were really good.

[SPEAKER_03]: This year they are heading shoulders better than they were last year. [SPEAKER_03]: It's because of the quarterback, but it's also because of the depth they have so much depth and that they are a really well coach team. [SPEAKER_03]: So that is I've watched a ton of their games [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I can't act like I'm Troy or anybody else sitting here breaking down football.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I do feel like I've watched enough sports to go, okay, that is a really well-coached disciplined smart team and that's what they are. [SPEAKER_03]: And I, yes, I think they can. [SPEAKER_03]: We feel like the interlopers in this thing, but I feel like I feel like Indiana. [SPEAKER_03]: They're number one for a reason. [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're a legit number one and I do think they can win it. [SPEAKER_02]: Were you like all wrapped up in them beating Ohio State?

[SPEAKER_02]: Was that important to you? [SPEAKER_02]: Because I went on Twitter and said the game was meaningless and people were giving me shit. [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like it was more meaningless to Ohio State. [SPEAKER_02]: I think for us, well, what was the ramification for Ohio State losing? [SPEAKER_02]: The ramification, they went from making a playoff, they went from making a playoff and getting a buy. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying, I get that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think if you're Indiana, it has different meaning. [SPEAKER_03]: think if you're Indiana, that's a game you don't win. [SPEAKER_03]: The Penn State game. [SPEAKER_03]: That's a game where, you know, the foot's out of bounds and you can't close, but you didn't win at Penn State. [SPEAKER_03]: That's another game. [SPEAKER_03]: The Ohio State game for the Big Ten Championship was one of those games that if Indiana lost would have been like, see, they're not that good.

[SPEAKER_03]: there it's indian uh so it I think it was meaningless for Ohio State to a certain degree but there's pride and balls I think it was very meaningful for Indiana to prove that they could win that game as they you know now have this little break and get to sit back prepare and and play the winner of what should be a really good football game with uh oh you and Alabama. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, I want to end it with this because you know, I I checked your Twitter.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're not a big tweeter at all, but I saw there was an Indiana tweet in there and then I saw something I just wanted to read this to everyone because I found it so hilarious because you are not a big tweeter. [SPEAKER_02]: So then it makes this even better. [SPEAKER_02]: So. [SPEAKER_02]: I know what you're gonna, yeah, I know, and go ahead. [SPEAKER_02]: So this is what I love about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many things like I can analyze this for an hour because you sent the most innocuous, straight forward, non-controversial tweet ever. [SPEAKER_02]: You said, [SPEAKER_02]: Troy and I were on it to write the forward for Rich Padolsky's book on the all-time pair of Matt and Summer All. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great read and highlights the history of their great relationship on and off the air. [SPEAKER_02]: Give it a read as we start another exciting football season.

[SPEAKER_02]: There is zero percent. [SPEAKER_02]: Anyone can actually come back to that tweet and have anything to say. [SPEAKER_02]: It's pleased read this book. [SPEAKER_02]: Great book about the great book. [SPEAKER_03]: I have really nothing to do with. [SPEAKER_02]: Greatest broadcasting to a whole time, read the book, enjoy yourself. [SPEAKER_02]: And someone writes, you enjoy jerking each other off in the booth. [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't anything like this?

[SPEAKER_02]: You both can handle watching KC bury your asses. [SPEAKER_02]: You're horrible in the royals on the world series. [SPEAKER_02]: Some things never change, and you're a sorry, bitter, little boy. [SPEAKER_02]: Same with Troy. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I need to get into this. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you enjoy your giving each other, hand jobs in the booth.

[SPEAKER_02]: You've got an anti-KC bias, horrible when the Royals won the World Series, and then Troy, he says, Troy is also a sorry, bitter little boy. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a choice face to this guy. [SPEAKER_02]: To this guy. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you came back with, I mean, it's just perfect. [SPEAKER_02]: This is how you hand, this is the way for everyone out there. [SPEAKER_02]: This is how you handle Twitter. [SPEAKER_02]: Sir, I did not say this lightly.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have a sitcom or drama script in you. [SPEAKER_02]: Please explore your talent. [SPEAKER_02]: The world needs feel good TV or film. [SPEAKER_02]: You have it. [SPEAKER_02]: Keep me in mind when you go into production. [SPEAKER_02]: If you need funding, I know people. [SPEAKER_02]: That, that if that is, I've always said with Twitter, especially now, because it's so horrible now. [SPEAKER_02]: If you give me a good insult, I'll reply.

[SPEAKER_02]: that it just, you know, like for me, like, if something like who cares, if you write who cares to me when I tweet automatic block, that's just the block. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'd rather you say you're a dumb fat fuck than say who cares, who cares is a boy. [SPEAKER_02]: Give me some creativity. [SPEAKER_02]: That guy had some creativity and I love, like he's going back to the Royal Sprout series. [SPEAKER_02]: What you, was that? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a fifth to a 15.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, still better. [SPEAKER_03]: Still better. [SPEAKER_03]: funny I wrote that I shouldn't admit this but I was driving.

[SPEAKER_03]: I shouldn't say that I mean I was in a car I wasn't driving right I was riding and I wasn't thinking I just made me laugh I don't know why and it was just like yeah [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's so absurd, the tweet, that I, so the second I sent that, I did a screenshot and I sent it on my family text, because I was proud of it, and I sent it to, on my family text is my wife, my sister, and my two daughters. [SPEAKER_03]: that are in their 20s and live in New York.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I got just blasted by my daughters. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, bad, you cannot respond to these people. [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody gets that, you are taking their bait.

[SPEAKER_03]: That is so bad and then Ben Stiller who one of my daughters worked for and so it's not like it came out of nowhere I know him in one ounce, but he saw it and then he he kind of played along with it was like Yeah, you know keep me in mind or whatever whatever he said about this production of this guys, you know this guy's play or sit on or whatever

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I then sent that back to the group text like okay, was it that dumb like it it was it made me laugh and I feel like if you shine the light back on some of these morons right it's just good sport and if they're going to send it

[SPEAKER_03]: then they got to be ready to get it back and this guy probably does not expect to get a reaction, but he he I was just I was I was laughing when I wrote it I was I'm like I think you're gonna read that and cry and be like oh my god this guy didn't like me when I did the royals in the world series and instead just the absurd you like this was in response to you saying this is a good book about pets I'm [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like read this great book about Pat Summerholen and John Mananty. [SPEAKER_02]: You and Troy jerking each other off in the beginning. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that seems like a natural next step. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's great. [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate this. [SPEAKER_02]: I know you're busy. [SPEAKER_02]: Let me do this properly now. [SPEAKER_02]: So you have Sam Franted Indianapolis this Monday. [SPEAKER_02]: Good game.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ram's Falcons week 17, week 18, TBD. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Saturday afternoon. [SPEAKER_02]: And you have a wild card game. [SPEAKER_02]: and a divisional and a divisional. [SPEAKER_02]: That's great. [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's good for us as fans because there's no better booth. [SPEAKER_02]: So we look forward. [SPEAKER_02]: I like when you guys have the big games. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I like when so do we have the big games. [SPEAKER_02]: So do we.

[SPEAKER_02]: Week seven. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a poem, but that's right. [SPEAKER_02]: We got we got good stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a place to be fun. [SPEAKER_02]: Players will be good. [SPEAKER_02]: And congratulations on Fort Frick. [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks so appreciate it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: Bye bye.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, joining me now is it does every week for our train of thought segment from SNY TV in New York, my buddy, Salacada, Sal has a going good, you know, all things considered.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this is your second day, yeah, we're taping this on your second day of, I mean, here's a thing, you still have SNY, that's what I think is, it's not like you're, you [SPEAKER_00]: completely like out of the sports media business, like you were going to say, second, second day unemployed, I mean, it's not right. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're not unemployed, right, which is why I'm fortunate to be able to have a job still, most people lose a job, and they don't have one.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm fortunate to have that. [SPEAKER_02]: it's your second day being home during the day. [SPEAKER_02]: So how's that going? [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird getting used to because you have to remember this used to be my schedule, but it's been years since that's like when I last either didn't have the midday show or a full-time overnight gig, which meant that was sleeping during these these hours. [SPEAKER_00]: because I was exhausted.

[SPEAKER_00]: My daughter wasn't even born. [SPEAKER_00]: So it feels good to get back to having some semblance of a life. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, there are negatives that come with that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm adjusting to what was my prior norm for five years ago. [SPEAKER_02]: So we haven't really gotten into it. [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything you want to say about what happened? [SPEAKER_02]: You want to just move on. [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like I showed what the fan was on Friday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, you have the floor. [SPEAKER_02]: If there's anything you want to add, if not, we can move on. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, I'm just I'm proud of the work that I've done. [SPEAKER_00]: Not only the last two weeks under. [SPEAKER_00]: you know, difficult circumstances when the I don't know how you did that. [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know how you did that. [SPEAKER_02]: I could never have done what you did. [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people said that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of people said that Michael case had a very nice thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw that. [SPEAKER_00]: And that to me to have the respect. [SPEAKER_00]: I did not. [SPEAKER_00]: From my peers at the end of his show, he said something very I've never met Michael. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm looking forward to meeting him. [SPEAKER_00]: He said something very nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Similar to what you said, I don't know if I'm able to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And those two guys were pros.

[SPEAKER_00]: So. [SPEAKER_00]: the respect of my peers and the people reaching out saying man you guys handle that like professionals I'm very proud of that and I'm also proud of the hard work that I put in starting as a part timer as recently as you know 2018 whatever it is and then working my way up to overnight and plowing through to mid days it's unfortunate um you know sad by it obviously but I'm excited for what's next and I'm proud of the work that I put in and um and I'm very happy

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Now you go onward and that I think the the respect from the peers is there's layers to that too because obviously that feels good but I also think when you have that that gives you a good boost when you're looking for your next role whether that's with the company on your own no matter what it is, having that is important.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and even before this it's always [SPEAKER_00]: five shows this year on WFAN and then obviously it goes up to you know 20 shows and then I was doing shows every day on the fan. [SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that was always important to me was the respect of my peers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I I don't know what may be come up with it then but it was something that was important to me then and you're right now when this does happen and you have the respect of your peers and people willing to help connect you or put you in touch with certain people or just keep you the positive reinforcement and believe [SPEAKER_02]: Can you listen to the fan or you can't do it? [SPEAKER_00]: It's too painful. [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now remember, I've been down this road before and last time was much more difficult. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I got fired. [SPEAKER_00]: You know more than anybody, where we have that meeting and you're going to be fine. [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't be. [SPEAKER_02]: I could not have been a worse friend of that situation. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about it. [SPEAKER_02]: You'll be fine. [SPEAKER_02]: Stop worrying about it. [SPEAKER_00]: The next day fired.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a totally different circumstance where I was legit fired. [SPEAKER_00]: This, there just wasn't a fit for me any longer there in a full-time capacity. [SPEAKER_00]: I still may do stuff part-time. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, knowing that I survived that and back then it was very hurtful to have anything associated with the fan. [SPEAKER_00]: I've done it before. [SPEAKER_00]: It just, [SPEAKER_00]: I can't. [SPEAKER_00]: Why would I listen to the fan?

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't listen to the fan. [SPEAKER_00]: I do shows on the fan. [SPEAKER_00]: So once you're done with that, to me on to a totally different world, that world can exist and have great success. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm in my world, and I'm going to try to have great success. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you listen to the fan as my question. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: No, just.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not in a while. [SPEAKER_00]: I should say I should say before that like I'm not listening. [SPEAKER_00]: Not because I don't think that it's good. [SPEAKER_00]: I love a lot of those guys. [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of those guys in my great friends. [SPEAKER_00]: Jean Adi or Morash or I only have no these guys for a long time. [SPEAKER_00]: So make my own go.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I wish them nothing but the best, but just for me, I just need to I need to move on. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see myself ever putting on WFAN from 10 a.m. to 6 a.m. basically, but that's just me. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a whole different world too.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny this time you know like only here endless come out and I've done them every year like you do a wards media wards Who's the best at this who's the best at this and I was thinking about it thinking about it and I'm not doing them this year because I think sports media is just at an all-time low right now now let me say this there's a lot of people doing a lot of good work there's great broadcasters There are some entertaining podcasts

[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like the things that are good have been good forever. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, Joe Boxer, great NFL announcer, you know, Iron Eagles, great part of my take is usually hugely popular. [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's funny on Twitter.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, in terms of new, I'm so down on the entire industry because I just think it's [SPEAKER_02]: Make a one minute clip, say something ridiculous, say something you don't even believe put it on social put it on YouTube have people yell at you get a response and like that's what social media is the pot even new podcast to usually terrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's just so little originality and creativity out there and it's just really the shows every I just so down on all of it to go and I and I don't like that we are set up more than ever for all we want is a one minute video clip say something ridiculous that's all that matters. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a great point and I know for me personally there was a lot of focal point on BT and I not having a show any longer, but there's this this is not just a me or BT issue.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a massive issue with the industry. [SPEAKER_00]: The the hot 97 morning show was no longer doing a show there on radio and they're going to you too. [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned it. [SPEAKER_00]: What do companies want? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these companies are losing money. [SPEAKER_00]: How do they? [SPEAKER_00]: find a way to monetize certain things. [SPEAKER_00]: What sells does anybody actually, again, I don't know this. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm asking the question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the majority of people sit there and watch first take or did they get the clips of Mad Dog or Steven A on social media? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if anybody has the answer. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a transition period for the industry with a billion content creators, a billion different ways that people consume the content, but clearly linear TV, old school radio, [SPEAKER_00]: Those are going it's obvious they're going the wrong way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and even podcast like an audio only podcast I don't know is if if that's even relevant anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: You have that video everything is video video video video and like I don't know like I just think it's a very depressing time I mean I guess it's been like this for a little bit But it seems now more than ever especially you know the growth of TikTok and reels [SPEAKER_02]: That's it, no one cares, people don't care about anything else.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just about the people who are in charge, you know, a podcast that's audio only, who cares. [SPEAKER_02]: A show that's about sports, who cares? [SPEAKER_02]: Like you've got to just, again, have the most ridiculous take. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, come out there and say like, I think Patrick, I don't think Patrick Mahomes will ever win another playoff game. [SPEAKER_02]: Like say that, make a one minute video and then everyone will pick it up and then you're good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but then how, okay, but even if you do that, is there longevity in that? [SPEAKER_00]: Is that sustained success? [SPEAKER_00]: How do you monetize that? [SPEAKER_00]: I could put out a tweet that could get a million views. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great, but then what about tomorrow? [SPEAKER_02]: Right, you gotta admit, well, that's the thing. [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta do it constantly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you got it, like look at Stephen A. [SPEAKER_02]: The guy's got like 87 platforms. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: He'll say something ridiculous on first. [SPEAKER_02]: Take that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say something ridiculous on his political show. [SPEAKER_02]: Say something ridiculous on his podcast. [SPEAKER_02]: Got to fight with people. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to fight with people. [SPEAKER_02]: You got to go back and forth with people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's another thing that the industry rewards is, if you feud and fight, that's what people love. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you came in Max Kellerman? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all right. [SPEAKER_02]: Or him and Jamal Hill, he just fought with, he just fought with someone else. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know if I have that in me. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's not easy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know I definitely know you don't because we talked about this You would even say it.

[SPEAKER_00]: How do you do with the colors? [SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't care and I understand that a part of me feels that way as well I definitely it's it's an easy low hanging fruit. [SPEAKER_00]: I could go with anybody but and and get there go and then go back and for I just [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to try to be above that and I do still think that there's a place for content providers, because that's what we are now.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I talk show host or Pagua, we're content providers, I still think that there's a place for it if you do it the right way and entertain with some passion. [SPEAKER_00]: But who the hell knows? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: We're learning as we go here. [SPEAKER_02]: And even with podcasts, they all have the same guests.

[SPEAKER_02]: No one says [SPEAKER_02]: All these athletes having their own podcast, I think is hurt the business because it's just all one big love fest and that, you know, even look at like Travis Kelsey this past weekend. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So the chiefs get eliminated from the play of small homes is blows out his name and he refuses to talk to the media. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, why? [SPEAKER_02]: Because we'll just talk about it on his own podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, everything just, everything right now just sucks. [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's just, tell me about it. [SPEAKER_02]: But we'll say, you know, we should have your job. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's true for now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, what else did I want to say about, there's something just, [SPEAKER_02]: No one, I also feel like, I don't know if this is necessarily the business or just the culture and the time we live in, but also like, nobody wants to have fun, nobody wants to, everyone is so buttoned up, no one wants to say anything outlandish. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, I mean, look at Fox, they keep Brady off of podcast because like the terrified trumpet battle happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, [SPEAKER_02]: It's ridiculous, like you know, it's like you cannot fund everything is about everyone like like a guy like Brady like his whole social media is aimed at like just marketing all his stuff like even social media is not fun You got an Instagram go everyone is just pushing even I do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you want my I used to interact with people and Twitter used to banter now It's just go listen to the podcast go listen to the podcast because you don't because everyone's an asshole. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to deal with no sense like it's I you don't know what I'm doing awards [SPEAKER_00]: Excellent point.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have, and by the way, I've been happier because of it, where I used to be like, no, and get into what certain people are trying to get them to understand where I'm coming from. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I just, I got to a point where I couldn't do anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: And now it's just, hey, baseball, 90 York, six o'clock, SNY, or here's a clip from my show. [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no point to even put anything out there, because it's not worth the aggravation. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: That was depressing, Bill. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's. [SPEAKER_02]: Can we have some fun now? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, despite all that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I will say some day was one of why to be my favorite day the year with the NFL That was they because they had the two double headers and You had a great one a clock slate with K.C. [SPEAKER_02]: San Diego chargers and then bills [SPEAKER_02]: Patriots and then at 425 the other Green Bay Denver you had Philip Rivers back and Detroit and the ramps So that was to me the best Sunday of the season.

[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed Sunday more than any Sunday this year I thought it was phenomenal. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I had a good betting day which plays into it [SPEAKER_02]: So I was, I loved the last Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: That was to me as good as it gets for the regular season.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I didn't think of it that way, the best regular season Sunday so far, but now that you mentioned it, I would say that I was probably locked in to the four o'clock games, multiple games, more this past Sunday than at any Sunday before, because usually it's like, okay, if there's a good game I'll have it on, but I'm not locked in the way that I am at one, and if it is, it's usually one game.

[SPEAKER_00]: This was you had three games at once that kept your interests at four o'clock on top of the bill's game at one Yeah, it came to city and the chargers at one so there was a lot going on there [SPEAKER_02]: Right, well also worth the time of the year now where you could read out the bed and I didn't even go quadbox this week I had I had the bills Patriots on one TV.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had their raider of the chargers and the chiefs on another TV and I had put the Ravens bangles on it the third screen, and then once that got out of hand, I put it on something everything else was blowouts though, but it was good to just be locked in I didn't I wasn't all over the place [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I enjoyed something. [SPEAKER_02]: And then now this this week we've got Saturday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Saturday is set up to be is a great day because you have three college football playoff games with the two NFL games. [SPEAKER_02]: Now. [SPEAKER_02]: The two NFL games, Philly Washington at five o'clock, not obviously great, but Packers Bayer Saturday night will be tremendous. [SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, three college. [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have three college football playoff games mixed in. [SPEAKER_02]: So Saturday, this Saturday is set up to be the big, big day.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did I tell you what I'm doing Saturday night? [SPEAKER_00]: No, but this is going to get a lightest. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you go like this or not. [SPEAKER_02]: Is it holiday related? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: So I figured that how bad is this going to be? [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's not bad for me. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know how you're going to react to it. [SPEAKER_00]: You ready? [SPEAKER_00]: Let me get a rods holiday party.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to a rods holiday party. [SPEAKER_02]: How did you get invited to that? [SPEAKER_00]: He invited BT and where is it at his [SPEAKER_00]: I was not sure if, yeah, I was not sure if I was gonna go or how that was gonna work, but especially after, you know, the news, but I assume that didn't Manhattan. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and then I'm like, well, it kind of have to go to that, no? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you don't have to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you clearly want to, [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I did want to go and a part of me is intrigued and also now the new networking opportunity with the hell's going to be there. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't say why you got invited. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm trying to figure out. [SPEAKER_00]: BT. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, a rod's deal. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he reached out to me. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're nuts. [SPEAKER_02]: You're nuts.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, are you friendly with A-Rot? [SPEAKER_02]: Are you texting A-Rot? [SPEAKER_02]: I am not. [SPEAKER_02]: B.T. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_02]: So he invited the radio team basically. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: Of you and B.T. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And now we had him on and he's telling B.T. [SPEAKER_00]: I love Saul. [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have an issue with A.R. [SPEAKER_00]: Because he reached out to B.T. [SPEAKER_00]: They met. [SPEAKER_00]: He did come on our show. [SPEAKER_00]: So we had him on the show. [SPEAKER_00]: He knows the show. [SPEAKER_00]: But never reached out to me. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he reached out to you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I haven't told that story yet. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, no, no, no, no, it's fine that you said that I just, I don't think that story is for public consumption.

[SPEAKER_02]: The funny thing about it is we are taping this right after I interviewed Joe Bach who plays a big part in that story. [SPEAKER_00]: I did mention on the, you said I can mention on the radio show that he, I didn't get into any detail. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I did say that a rod, which, because I was upset. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's out to be tea. [SPEAKER_02]: He reached out to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: What the hell? [SPEAKER_02]: What about me? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, where's my invite? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's happening. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, now my question is, would you go? [SPEAKER_02]: No, I would not. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way I'm blowing off the NFL and the college football playoff to go into Manhattan on the Saturday before Christmas. [SPEAKER_02]: I would rather get hit by a bus. [SPEAKER_00]: I figured that. [SPEAKER_00]: I knew that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't sure if you, I thought maybe there was an invitation for your wedding. [SPEAKER_00]: I hit. [SPEAKER_00]: You think I'll have the game on? [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what you... Well, the only thing that's going through my brain, the only thing I can sort of process about this whole thing is I would be dying. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I would be dying to know the guest list. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, well, Geter be there. [SPEAKER_02]: No way. [SPEAKER_02]: I was John and Susan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mott and pop pinstripe maybe I was I was told manfred was there maybe a year ago and I was like That's a odd one. [SPEAKER_00]: Rob manfred was there. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know Michael K will be there. [SPEAKER_00]: You had to assume that maybe John and Susan I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, that's part of the intrigue of going. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Who's the guest list there? [SPEAKER_02]: Just do me a favor.

[SPEAKER_02]: It texted me the minute you get there with the guest list. [SPEAKER_02]: I always care about the I want to who's there. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we could discuss this in full next week if you're doing a pod. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you off next week? [SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing here? [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm not off next week. [SPEAKER_02]: I got to figure it out, but I won't be off. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so Saturday you're going to a-rots holiday party at his apartment in Manhattan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Whew, I was worried that, you know, because there's no more BT and sound, show that maybe the invite would be revoked. [SPEAKER_00]: But that would be the lowest of the low. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't know what could do that move. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't, he's not going to say, oh, you're not on FAN anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: You're not invited to the party. [SPEAKER_02]: You're on S and Y. I mean, you know, you still me. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, that was a bad take by you. [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so that's going to be an interesting Saturday for you. [SPEAKER_02]: I, I'm getting the sense that you have no, I, you want to come? [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I got bears, packers, and two college, but I mean, they're going to stink those games. [SPEAKER_02]: But the last thing I would do on, what's the date Saturday?

[SPEAKER_02]: December 20th, five days before Christmas is all my fat ass into Manhattan. [SPEAKER_02]: Not the Long Island Railroad, no. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if I would go to a jeet of Christmas boy, if I would go to that you would of course come on. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You can do yourself in trouble here again, what do you, how am I, did you watch the documentary by the way?

[SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever watch the stiller one? [SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't got, I don't have Apple TV. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I ended up, don't ask me why. [SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is the problem with TikTok. [SPEAKER_02]: I ended up over the last two weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't mention this on Twitter because I didn't want people to like give me spoilers, whatever. [SPEAKER_02]: I was on TikTok scroll like one night.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I saw a clip from Nurse Jackie with, with, with, um, Eddie Falco. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, love that show. [SPEAKER_02]: And the clip got me suckered in that I was like, let me watch an episode just to see. [SPEAKER_02]: Because someone I don't know who, but someone I know told me it was a good show and I don't remember. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was always a big bad. [SPEAKER_02]: And I ended up watching that over two weeks. [SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the episodes, they're only 25, they're like 22, 23 minute episodes. [SPEAKER_00]: I know we were in the middle of binging years ago, stopped at like after season two and then we picked it up a little bit again, but I'm not 100% into it. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I would say this. [SPEAKER_02]: The first three seasons were phenomenal. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't love the last four seasons.

[SPEAKER_02]: And my thing with the show is this is what I need to know from people if anyone has watched it. [SPEAKER_02]: Does the show want you to like her or not like her because I found her so completely detestable and hated her, which I don't like to watch shows where I hate the lead character.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I will say, the fact that that woman could do that role and Carmella, and when you're watching her as nurse Jackie, you don't want to think of Carmella, and she might be the greatest living actress we have. [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you just summed it up perfectly. [SPEAKER_00]: Whether you like to show or not or into the show or not, I never once watched Nurse Jackie and then Carmella, that's unbelievable. [SPEAKER_00]: We're as Gandalfini.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tony's on Prano. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: He was affected. [SPEAKER_00]: movie with Julie Lewis, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I like this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: I agree. [SPEAKER_02]: And she's someone like Eddie Falker. [SPEAKER_02]: Like when she did VP, you don't think of a lame Venice. [SPEAKER_02]: So she's they're on the same level. [SPEAKER_02]: Those two. [SPEAKER_02]: I will say I I really liked our comedy.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I loved the first three seasons. [SPEAKER_02]: And then after that, it falls off. [SPEAKER_02]: But I kept watching because I wanted to see her get her come up [SPEAKER_02]: That was the deal with that. [SPEAKER_02]: Howard resigned for three years this morning. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm happy about that. [SPEAKER_02]: Even though everyone, you know, on Twitter, everyone's every time I tweet about Howard, I get people telling me how the show's different.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I understand the show's different. [SPEAKER_02]: I still listen, so I don't care. [SPEAKER_02]: So three more years of that, which is good. [SPEAKER_02]: How old is he? [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's 72. [SPEAKER_02]: Because I went to the 60th birthday party and I think that was in 13, let me check. [SPEAKER_02]: 71. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he'll be 72 next month. [SPEAKER_02]: He'll be 72 next month. [SPEAKER_02]: And then three more years.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, yes, what's interesting about that. [SPEAKER_02]: Every contract he's ever signed is always five years. [SPEAKER_02]: This is the first time he did three years. [SPEAKER_02]: So he'll be done probably at age 75 and three years. [SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine. [SPEAKER_02]: Good. [SPEAKER_00]: God, man. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe 75's not in my mind. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like 75's so old, but maybe it's not anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I do too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then we got to finish up with the Rob Ryan thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, I'm old. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm older than you. [SPEAKER_02]: So for me, you know, everyone was going on and on about his movies. [SPEAKER_02]: He, he directed, which the run was just off the charts with standby me when Harry Matt Sally, Princess Pride, Missouri, and I'm leaving out a couple of others. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a few good men.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for me, and I love, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: Those must stand by me, phenomenal and Harry Metalli, phenomenal, misery, light, level, those movies. [SPEAKER_02]: But for me, it's always going to be all the family. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just always going to be that for me, just because I grew up watching it. [SPEAKER_02]: I watch the reruns now. [SPEAKER_02]: It holds up today. [SPEAKER_02]: It's such a good show. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's a top 10 all-time sitcom.

[SPEAKER_02]: And here's what blows me away. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought, arrogantly, that I think I thought I knew everything there was to know about Seinfeld. [SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea, Rob Reiner was basically the person who saved Seinfeld from getting canceled in the early years. [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I remember he told this story on Howard years ago, and I had forgotten it, and then it all came about.

[SPEAKER_02]: So basically, the company that produced Seinfeld, do you see it like at the end of the episode? [SPEAKER_02]: It was Castle Rock? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That's Rob Reiner's company, which I did not know. [SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea that Rob Reiner was the person behind Castle Rock. [SPEAKER_02]: So they produced Seinfeld. [SPEAKER_02]: The first season of the second season, NBC wanted a cancel side-filled.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Rob Rino was the one who went to NBC and just begged and demanded and pleaded with them to keep the show going. [SPEAKER_02]: And Jerry actually posted on Instagram, after was I could read it to you. [SPEAKER_02]: But I had no idea Rob Rino played such a role in side-filled. [SPEAKER_02]: He was in curb, no? [SPEAKER_02]: Was he on? [SPEAKER_02]: He did an episode of curb. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was with the curb.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'll read you with Jerry Road. [SPEAKER_02]: He said, next to Larry David and George Shapiro, Rob Riner, had the biggest influence on my career. [SPEAKER_02]: I was show would never have happened without him. [SPEAKER_02]: He saw something no one else could. [SPEAKER_02]: But nobody at the network liked the early episodes. [SPEAKER_02]: He saved us from cancellation. [SPEAKER_02]: And he wrote a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_02]: So. [SPEAKER_02]: You add so all the family then you add in the unbelievable runner movies and he's the guy who basically signed sign felt like you cannot have a better career than that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what a horrible tragedy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but. [SPEAKER_02]: What a career, you know, you know, you obviously, you can't not think about the tragedy and, you know, it's freaking me out because I ended up like on Monday. [SPEAKER_02]: I said I got to watch them all the family.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's on it's on Pluto and it's on, so I'm watching them like, and it's like, oh, such a warped messed up thing, but I'm like, [SPEAKER_02]: This guy's doing this show. [SPEAKER_02]: He's so good on it. [SPEAKER_02]: He has no clue that 40 years from then. [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to get stabbed to death by his son. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's it that I usually like celebrity deaths like we even you know we have our thing where we'll even talk to him.

[SPEAKER_02]: This one I don't know this one hit me a little bit. [SPEAKER_02]: This one absolutely hit me because I've watched him so often and [SPEAKER_00]: to end that way, just, you know, it took me years, you're a little bit older than I am. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm familiar with all on the family, but not the way that you are. [SPEAKER_00]: It took me years to realize that he was the same guy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like because he looks right obviously looks totally different.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but even even 20 years ago he looked totally different than he did on all the family. [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't really I was like, Oh, wow. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the same guy. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously tremendous body of work. [SPEAKER_00]: So, but just the end of the story. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the episode of curb that he did has one of my favorite scenes in it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's when someone bids it on a charity thing and wins a lunch with Larry.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they go to lunch and the waiter brings Larry his sandwich and tells the other guy yours will be out in a minute. [SPEAKER_02]: And Larry says, oh, do you mind if I start? [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, oh, you could just wait. [SPEAKER_02]: He said it won't get out of a minute. [SPEAKER_02]: Larry said, well, why can't I start without you? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're here for lunch together.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, OK, but how does it affect you if I take a bite of my said, and I think it's one of the great. [SPEAKER_02]: And then the scene after that is is Larry with Rob Riner, because it was Rob Riner's charity, I think, where the guy wanted. [SPEAKER_02]: And then. [SPEAKER_02]: Rob's like, why couldn't you wait, why couldn't you wait for a guy to get a food and like this is so stupid, why do I have to wait? [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm on Larry's side hundred percent on that one.

[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm with, if I'm with you and you get your food first, eat it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care. [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's all the brilliance of Larry that episode. [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, the Rob Ryan thing was horrible. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, you hit me, you hit me out of left field early when you said about it next week, because I didn't, I got, I guess, Christmas is a week. [SPEAKER_02]: Where are you with Christmas shopping before we wrap this up?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well now this new found time gave me some even a day help, so I think we're pretty good. [SPEAKER_00]: Although most stuff is done like a new one. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, are you still going into malls or anything? [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta go to get gift cards basically. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty good, but the the circle of people now that I get gifts for is so small.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basically basically my daughter, you know, I'll stand out and then my, my niece and that few and that's that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, my not getting my mother really much anymore, who, who am I behind for so, um, did you get? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, did you get the tree that did you get the tree this weekend? [SPEAKER_00]: I did. [SPEAKER_00]: We got the tree on Saturday, put it up a Sunday. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it just goes so fast though.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really? [SPEAKER_00]: How much did you pay for a tree? [SPEAKER_00]: 90 bucks. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a hundred with tax and all that's up and then an extra, you know, $10 tip for putting it on that right, ridiculous. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was even like a six, it was a six foot or seven foot tree, something like that. [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be in the top of it in two weeks. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like, yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it's a massive big tree that you get to keep for a while. [SPEAKER_02]: two weeks, two weeks out to the curb into the garbage. [SPEAKER_00]: That was just to bring it full circle here. [SPEAKER_00]: That was the one point over the weekend where like some sadness sunk in. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get a tree. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And we're taking our daughter. [SPEAKER_00]: She's all excited. [SPEAKER_00]: And we got a multiple spots.

[SPEAKER_00]: The one spot didn't have a tree that we like. [SPEAKER_00]: And as we're leaving the guys like, hey, [SPEAKER_00]: Like the, the Christmas music's playing. [SPEAKER_00]: He's got the Santa hat on, their trees. [SPEAKER_00]: And I can see the sadness. [SPEAKER_00]: It is face. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I'm going to be fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: He made even, like, he didn't meet it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He means people being well, but they're like, yeah, they're so bad around the holidays and all that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a rough one. [SPEAKER_02]: But lives and the background's singing. [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, oh, God. [SPEAKER_02]: I just spent $110. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's good that the people are nice about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's, you know, I don't, what's it? [SPEAKER_02]: I can't think of me being happy about someone losing a job at this. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying, like maybe like maybe this one or two people. [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't, I don't even think there's that. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I can never be, I can never be happy with someone losing a job. [SPEAKER_02]: So like the people online who just say nasty things. [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just that guy may do imagine how miserable they are.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: If you know, I mean, we know some of the people that leave comments, but you know, when you go to that extent, you're happy. [SPEAKER_00]: How does that benefit you if you root for somebody else to lose their job? [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't do you any good. [SPEAKER_00]: So it just shows you, you know, the weak mentality or sadness that these other people really have. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, I'll be fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the sympathy from people, that's what makes me sometimes sad or especially a [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, we will see you next week. [SPEAKER_02]: I guess we'll get a full report on the Ya Rod Christmas party. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and then we could preview the big slate of games on Christmas Day. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually glad they're not good games now, because now that takes off the pressure. [SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't use the chief set that night would have been.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Christmas Day night would have been fine for a game. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I'll say to you and everyone else who wants to come up with this genius theory. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a point spreader now with other games, don't think. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you next week. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, my many thanks to Joe Boc, my thanks to Salacada, my thanks to you guys for listening. [SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate it as always.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you missed any recent episodes, go into the archives, check them out. [SPEAKER_02]: Head eye and eagle and J.J. Watt together last week. [SPEAKER_02]: I've tremendous feedback on that. [SPEAKER_02]: So make sure you give that one a listen if you missed it. [SPEAKER_02]: And also make sure you subscribe slash follow as I media with Jimmy Traina to get this podcast delivered to you every Thursday morning. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: That wraps it up.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you next week. [SPEAKER_02]: You