CBS's Jim Nantz + Traina Thoughts

[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome everyone to S.I. [SPEAKER_03]: Media with Jimmy Traina. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for listening. [SPEAKER_03]: We have one of the top voices in the NFL on the show today. [SPEAKER_03]: S.I. [SPEAKER_03]: Media podcast, regular Jim Nantes, CBS, huge weekend for Jim. [SPEAKER_03]: Sunday, he will call the Jets Bill's game and it will mark Jim's 40th anniversary to the day. [SPEAKER_03]: at CBS.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we get into a lot of reminiscing with Jim about 40 years at CBS. [SPEAKER_03]: How he got the job. [SPEAKER_03]: Also get into a lot of schedule things with Jim. [SPEAKER_03]: Jim and Tony Romo and CBS will have the chiefs Cowboys Thanksgiving game. [SPEAKER_03]: And Nancy says right here on the podcast, he expects to blow out the record. [SPEAKER_03]: for the most watch regular season game of all time.

[SPEAKER_03]: So good stuff with Jim Nans from CBS and following him, Salakata and Trane of Thoughts to close out the show. [SPEAKER_03]: Before we get to it, just a quick reminder if you've missed any recent episodes, go into the archives, check them out, and also make sure you subscribe to SI Media with Jim Utraina. [SPEAKER_03]: We got Andrew Marchant from the athletic on last week to go through a slew of sports media topics that were in the news.

[SPEAKER_03]: Brett Musperger, who I discussed with Jim, he was on two weeks ago and I felt today we'll be celebrating its 50th anniversary in week three, so you want to make sure you listen to that spot with Brent Musperger. [SPEAKER_03]: So again, Andrew Martian, Brett Musperger recent guests, subscribe to SI Media with Jimmy Traina, and let's get to this week's show. [SPEAKER_03]: Jim Nance, followed by Traina Thoughts in Salacada. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right here, right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right, joining me now, always a thrill when he comes on, and we have a lot to discuss. [SPEAKER_03]: The voice of the NFL on CBS, Jim Nance, Jim, how are you? [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, my friend, how are you? [SPEAKER_01]: Good to see you, Jimmy. [SPEAKER_01]: Always so lot to talk about, especially after the first week of the season and so many stories, so much speculation about where it goes from here or so. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fired up ready to talk to you.

[SPEAKER_03]: and what a week for the NFL. [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately for you and Tony, you didn't have the best game, although I think, not the best game in terms of, you know, you want it close late, but an eye-opening game, I think, nonetheless, because the Packers didn't just beat the Lions. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they dominated.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was significant, but the NFL in terms of what they got, Sunday and I Monday and I, [SPEAKER_03]: Good Lord, it's amazing that the show keeps rolling on. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, all of the prime windows and the 425 window is the biggest rated one of all, despite what you may hear somewhere else. [SPEAKER_01]: They all hit except for our game. [SPEAKER_01]: But our game had so much buildup going in with Parsons with Mike and making his debut in a Green Bay uniform.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we love the matchup. [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't turn out to be as riveting and back in the work close to these other games, [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we were there to see it and it was an impressive performance by the backers. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was telling also because I was of the, I'm of the belief that the lions, it could be a, I don't want to say a rough year because they'll, they'll still do well, but losing all those coaches. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's going to be a factor.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe you saw a little of that. [SPEAKER_03]: on Sunday in your game there in green bay. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they've got too many weapons. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we met with John Morton and Kelvin Shepherd, the two new coordinators, and I don't want to minimize the loss of Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson, and they rightfully earned themselves head coaching jobs. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is a reflection too on the preseason.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't really have a chance to go through the mechanics of play, calling, setting up your defense, whatever and getting into the flow of it. [SPEAKER_01]: And they're playing a very fired up green bay team that had been boosted by the acquisition of Mike of Parsons. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just don't go from 15 and two to over the cliff. [SPEAKER_01]: There's just too much talent there as to many skill players.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe in those coordinators are going to be okay. [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe in Dan Campbell, most importantly. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good point about the preseason. [SPEAKER_03]: We got to get to, you're going to celebrate your 40th anniversary here at CBS and it ties into the Bill's jet game that you'll be calling on someday. [SPEAKER_03]: Before we get to that, let's do some schedule stuff because we love to do this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we do. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, we do. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me start, well, I'll start with this. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll go backwards. [SPEAKER_03]: And it is a gift this year of chiefs, cowboys, thanksgiving. [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people think it will be the highest rated regular season game of all time. [SPEAKER_03]: Give me, I want you on the record. [SPEAKER_03]: I want Jim Nance on the record. [SPEAKER_03]: Will you break a record on that day?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's no question. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, the other thing that our audience needs to be educated on, there's a new. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a new metric. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a new way of measuring the audience's size, which is tailor-made for the sports audience that was never being completely covered and picked up in these meals and ratings because they weren't able to rate out of home viewing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got that factored in with two enormously popular franchises. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it'll help if they have good records, it'll help even a little bit more. [SPEAKER_01]: But even with that, people are watching football on Thanksgiving Day. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the prime slot in the late afternoon. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, I, I'm on the record Jimmy on the record saying I think that we not only will break the record, I think we'll blow it out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, yeah, when you have the chiefs that, you know, it's funny. [SPEAKER_03]: We've, I don't know if I've talked about with you. [SPEAKER_03]: I think we have, but I definitely talked about on the podcast how the chiefs had become the new cowboys in terms of ratings and the cowboys are still the cowboys because I remember last year getting into it a little bit with

[SPEAKER_03]: a late-season game that I thought should have been flexed out of Monday night and Joe Buck said to me, the Cowboys will never be flexed even if they're terrible and in that game did like a huge rating when they were completely out of the playoff race, so you get the chiefs and the Cowboys. [SPEAKER_03]: Probably you can't, you probably couldn't have gotten a better matchup in terms of if you want to break the all-time regular season record, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would [SPEAKER_01]: the cowboys have like a half a century of history behind being the team that America watches the most and then Kansas cities in this little dynasty stretch right now with maybe the biggest star in the league, you know, one of the top two or three guys in Patrick and Andy Reid and and there are a rough

[SPEAKER_01]: habit of winning, yeah, I think that would probably be about the best match up you could come up to to try to figure out how to break the record. [SPEAKER_01]: Then you put it on Thanksgiving day and just to put it in perspective, though, it will be a monster number, but it won't be like a playoff number.

[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be somewhere in that neighborhood, but this isn't like anything we haven't done before in a... [SPEAKER_01]: to visual round or an AFC championship game and put the Super Bowl course in a completely different category. [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm excited about it and listen, it's just one of many great matchups we have this year. [SPEAKER_01]: I love our schedule. [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we won.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it and didn't produce quite the drama we were hoping for. [SPEAKER_01]: But there are matchups coming up like Baltimore. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, let me, and that's where I want to go. [SPEAKER_03]: This is where I want to go with you before you, because I didn't want to, I don't want to give it away. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just curious. [SPEAKER_03]: So, Jim and Tony rumble will have bills, jets this Sunday.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll get into it, because I know that's a big day for you in an anniversary, but I want to look ahead, because I was trying to figure out where Jim and Tony will be the next few weeks. [SPEAKER_03]: And week three, I thought there were two possibilities, bangles at Vikings or Broncos at Chargers, [SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually there was a second game that I think was being discussed and it's not it's part of New England. [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one that was being discussed.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, which one would you send us to? [SPEAKER_03]: I would send you, well, I'll say that's the time, by the way, so I'll say this. [SPEAKER_03]: I think if they sent you to Minnesota for Bengals Vikings, [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I was going to say San Diego, LA for charges Broncos, I'd have no quibble with I think they can send you to either one and it's a good choice.

[SPEAKER_03]: Me personally, I would probably send you to Cincinnati, Minnesota, only because you probably don't get the Vikings a ton. [SPEAKER_01]: ding ding ding. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got. [SPEAKER_01]: So that. [SPEAKER_03]: So last night had to make you happy knowing you have the Vikings in two weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: And we would have got a little way. [SPEAKER_01]: And it is I've seen the maps that preliminary maps for week three.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it is the the biggest split for us on a regional week. [SPEAKER_01]: And the second biggest audience size is the Pittsburgh New England game. [SPEAKER_01]: You got to remember the game you're talking about is not a double header day for us Denver. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Argers. [SPEAKER_01]: It's in [SPEAKER_01]: late dangling 405 Eastern. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm slot.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't normally, it does sometimes happen to where it's the biggest audience size, but it's rare. [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we're going to have a scenario. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's exciting. [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, match up. [SPEAKER_01]: And you've got look among other things. [SPEAKER_01]: You've got Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. [SPEAKER_01]: Old teammates from LSU.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the two best guys I heard Joe make a reference to it last night. [SPEAKER_01]: No, maybe it was Scott Manpile. [SPEAKER_01]: Scott in the closed game show. [SPEAKER_01]: They had Jefferson on the Daskan. [SPEAKER_01]: He was saying, you're the best in a league. [SPEAKER_01]: If it's not for your old LSU team, we're going to have that little match up. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's great. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that worked.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now we for you mentioned that's a no-brainer Ravens chiefs no-brainer I mean absolutely double-hat of the Lamaric is Patrick and and by the way, they're both on one so you know somebody's gonna walk out of that game You know It at best two and two right now, you know, okay [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: That's a big one. [SPEAKER_03]: That's one of the biggest in the year. [SPEAKER_03]: And then I wanted to get you in and out the last one here is week five.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious. [SPEAKER_03]: Denver at Philly or Cincinnati at Green Bay. [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough. [SPEAKER_01]: That's a tough one to call. [SPEAKER_01]: No, you got the wrong week there. [SPEAKER_01]: Big guy. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a dream. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the following week. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's weeks. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote that. [SPEAKER_03]: I said week five.

[SPEAKER_03]: Denver at Philly week six Cincinnati Green Bay. [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say is that the is that where you think you'll be those two weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: We have not been assigned yet, but I think you can take it to the back when you have triple champs. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't get a chance being normally on the AFC side of the ledger. [SPEAKER_01]: We don't normally get that many swings at the plate with the cowboys or the Vikings or the Eagles.

[SPEAKER_01]: And here they are the Super Bowl champs. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a sexy match up Denver and Philly. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to, I mean, hasn't been assigned. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think it's 99% away there. [SPEAKER_01]: And the next week, week six is back to our double header game. [SPEAKER_01]: And we will undoubtedly be in Green Bay for Cincinnati and the Packers.

[SPEAKER_03]: When you see Sunday night, the bills and ravens have a classic like that, is there a little part of you, even if it's just 1% of Jim Nance that gets a little pissed off that NBC guy's new game. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's up. [SPEAKER_01]: There's not that. [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Man, it's a little bit, I wish we had the game, but I get how it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I get how it works and when it came to the disbursement of all the games and you have that first place schedule on the AFC side. [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, Baltimore is going to play Kansas City, and Buffalo is going to play Kansas City, and Buffalo is going to play Baltimore. [SPEAKER_01]: But you can't get them all. [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, we didn't get to hand pick.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when you were going to lose one or two of them, but we did get Buffalo Kansas City, and we did get Baltimore Kansas City. [SPEAKER_01]: So something had to give. [SPEAKER_01]: And listen, it was a great show, fantastic game. [SPEAKER_01]: Good for the NFL. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what a way to start the first week of the season. [SPEAKER_01]: With that game, it was a storybook. [SPEAKER_01]: It really was.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you don't send Toreco attacks and say, I hate you for taking our game. [SPEAKER_01]: I love Mike Toreco. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no, there's no hate in the heart. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's run on this and then we'll move on. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know, I mean, you just come all, you just came off lines of Packers, do you, do you know what your best NFC game is for the season that you, that you think you'll end up with?

[SPEAKER_03]: You went to, obviously you don't know down the road and things can change. [SPEAKER_03]: You get an injury, a team of flops, but I'm just wondering if you know off the top of your head if you have a better NFC matchup coming down the road. [SPEAKER_01]: We have some crossovers where we have one. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one. [SPEAKER_01]: For example, we have, [SPEAKER_01]: late in the season we had Pittsburgh at Detroit who knows where that's going to fall at that time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just thinking about the Cowboys or the Cowboys at Denver. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, it gets confusing a lot of folks, but usually the broadcast network travels with the team from your conference. [SPEAKER_01]: So Dallas at Denver, even though it's a team from each conference, that normally would not have been in our package.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that will be a game that obviously we will have the chance of doing so that might have been that might have been it The lines and the Packers is to straight up and I've seen match up

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you mentioned, you mentioned Pittsburgh's all, I'll just stay with this and then we're going to go on to your anniversary with CBS when I saw you I saw Jim over the summer CBS has an NFL media day every every year right before the season and you told me I'd love for you to get into it a little bit here for the listeners the team listen you know you're going to get from Baltimore you know you're going to get from Buffalo even Cincinnati to an extent

[SPEAKER_03]: the team that you are very curious about that can make a big difference in the season for you and Tony is Pittsburgh. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's because the way the schedule is laid out by the league by CBS. [SPEAKER_01]: There are some, again, a very attractive matchups for us with the Steelers being one-half of the equation. [SPEAKER_01]: If they're good, there is a run where I think you could even see maybe six out of seven weeks we could be with the Steelers.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a regional week, Pittsburgh at Chicago. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if they're good and you got the Chicago market and I do think the bears, even though they had that game last night, I think they're going to be a lot better. [SPEAKER_01]: I really do. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe in that franchise going in the right direction. [SPEAKER_01]: So Pittsburgh, Chicago, on Thanksgiving Sunday, we're going to double up this year. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to Buffalo at Pittsburgh.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is a there is a Baltimore Pittsburgh game, the week after Thanksgiving. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a Pittsburgh game at Detroit. [SPEAKER_01]: So yep. [SPEAKER_01]: I can't recall what the other two could possibly be the case. [SPEAKER_03]: Football is back and underdog is the best place to make picks and win money all season long. [SPEAKER_03]: Playing on underdog is easy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's called Met Life now. [SPEAKER_03]: You'll be at Met Life. [SPEAKER_01]: My lady and myself, you know, yeah, it's still kind of stuck in that. [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, it did get my life. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a terrible stadium, but that's besides the point. [SPEAKER_03]: Just nothing to it, just a big, great building, but whatever. [SPEAKER_03]: Bill's jets, you will call that with Tony.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tell the listeners why that is a significant date for you, and why you're calling that game. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not the one I call the game, the game. [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great, you know, like the majority of the country. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's what's big. [SPEAKER_01]: You got Josh Allen in the game. [SPEAKER_01]: So Right, it's a regional week for us. [SPEAKER_01]: So that has another blue with why I'm calling the game.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, until now until you start building it up, you're getting worked up here a little bit. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Actually happens to fall on the exact date, meaning September 14th. [SPEAKER_01]: but when I made my debut on CBS in 1985.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I go from September 14th, 85, when I was in the studio being introduced by Brent Musberger, from the booth at the Big House, he was about to call Michigan a Notre Dame and he threw it back to the studio and introduced me on the air. [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, I was just a kid three and a half years at a college, I was on nervous wreck, trying to mask all of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he go 40 years later, I'm gonna be back in the New York area [SPEAKER_01]: calling in an F.L. [SPEAKER_01]: game. [SPEAKER_03]: So that your first assignment was studio for college football in 85. [SPEAKER_01]: My, my analyst in the studio was Pad Hayden who remains this day of very treasured friend, amazing man. [SPEAKER_01]: And my behind the scenes editorial consulted who really figuratively held my hand for the entire year or two.

[SPEAKER_01]: to make sure I was up to speed and could hang in there with the likes of, you know, everybody was at CBS on the Ross with that time, from Brent to Pat Summerall and shouted me everywhere or I shouted at him was Mike Francessa, and Ed Goren, who had gone to become the president of Fox, was the studio producer of that show, and remains of, you know, like a guru and mentor of mine at the same time. [SPEAKER_03]: What do you remember about that first day, September 14, 1985?

[SPEAKER_01]: I just can remember how calm I was going through auditions. [SPEAKER_01]: I was one of five to audition for the role that had happened four weeks earlier in that same studio. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was the old NFL today studio.

[SPEAKER_01]: and on the back of the chair right on the back of the chair was a piece of tape and it said brit i was sitting in prince chair been insimitated and i had calmly gone through the auditions for whatever reason uh... the good lord gave me a sense of calm when the the sees are stormy and uh... and i was in the mix with uh... james brown

[SPEAKER_01]: and the anchor on the weekends at WCBS in New York, Fred Ymore and Pat Hayden had audition as the host, but he was always going to be a part of the show and ended up being the analyst and Roy Firestone. [SPEAKER_01]: So the five of us came to New York and audition on August the 17th of 85. [SPEAKER_01]: The night before [SPEAKER_01]: the audition Ed and his wife Patty Goren took the five participants, contestants out to dinner at the old Russian T-room.

[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't believe that I was in the company of Pat Hayden and James Brown and Roy Firestone, who regaled us with so many stories from [SPEAKER_01]: He showed that, right, not closed show that he had on the SPN, I was a fan of all of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was just a kid that had come out of the Houston market, but then migrated to Salt Lake to the affiliate in Salt Lake where it was an anchor and I did the Utah Jazz Games with Hot Rod Hun League and I did the BYU football and basketball games on television. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just a young kid. [SPEAKER_01]: I was just happy to be in the building. [SPEAKER_01]: I was happy to be at the table with you guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: how did you when did you find out you like how did it go from the audition to September 14th you're in the Brent's chair how did you find out what was that well I was the fifth to go into the into this studio was in a room the green room so to speak and I couldn't watch the feed of the the other guys but when it when it came time to audition I they walked me in and I set [SPEAKER_01]: which was something I had never had, make up a plight or anything even in the local level.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sitting there, you know, I put the barber so fest over you and there's wonderful lady named Rose Mary. [SPEAKER_01]: She's brushing me up and whole thing. [SPEAKER_01]: She's whispered my ear, she was like, I hear really good things about you. [SPEAKER_01]: That's really, she goes, yes, they're anxious to see how you handle this. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they have their eye on you. [SPEAKER_03]: So did that add to the pressure?

[SPEAKER_01]: Though it relax me, I was very calm, but I was escorted by a guy named Jenny Wall, who was a legendary stage director of stage manager at CBS. [SPEAKER_01]: He had worked on the Captain Kangaroo show and had even been on the air with Captain Kangaroo, which had been filmed and taped in that same studio where we were operating the NFL today. [SPEAKER_01]: So, Jenny walked me up to the desk and I sit down and looked around.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I totally was familiar with it, I watched the NFL today, it was a ritual for [SPEAKER_01]: come home and watch from church and watch the NFL today. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was kind of waiting to get some instruction. [SPEAKER_01]: They put an earpiece in and then Jimmy said came or say, hey, young man, he said, you recognize this? [SPEAKER_01]: This is my wallet. [SPEAKER_01]: I said, yeah, he said, you left it in the green room. [SPEAKER_01]: This is New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: Be careful. [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, the awful. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: And they handed me a stack of of index cards, blue cards. [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, this is the scoring. [SPEAKER_01]: These are the scoring.

[SPEAKER_01]: you're going to run through and then they had a pile of high-light sheets over here and it'll mark on the card if there are highlights with it like game three had a had a three around it circled and red Sharpie and over here was number three but it had a chance to rehearse it and again I'd been told the night before from Ed that we were going to run through the top 25 scores in the first segment and eventually I'll cut you off and send you a commercial.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then the second segment we're going to come back and do is many scores as we can. [SPEAKER_01]: We'd like to get through a lot of the scores that you want to see if you can rapidly do it. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the third segment we're going to bring out a college football expert and you can interview him about the season ahead. [SPEAKER_01]: So I've looked up and I'm like I am here on my desktop. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm seeing a reflection of myself.

[SPEAKER_01]: I never operated that way before. [SPEAKER_01]: I never lived. [SPEAKER_01]: I never had time to write scripts when I was a local anchor. [SPEAKER_01]: Because you did it all. [SPEAKER_01]: You cut the edited tape, putting out of, run down what your order is for the director. [SPEAKER_01]: And I learned from a radio background, since I was 19, how to just be conversational and randomly talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I was a little caught off guard [SPEAKER_01]: in the shot, and over my shoulder was a RP, a rear projection where I could see the scores. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how they did it with print back then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, you know, whatever it wasn't hello friends at the time, well, okay, wait to the credential, college football report. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get right to the top 25. [SPEAKER_01]: First off, number one, Nebraska. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I've started going through the scores. [SPEAKER_01]: And went through the highlights. [SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy, I don't know for whatever reason it felt easy to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then Ed eventually said, take us to commercial, back with more scores and highlights right after this. [SPEAKER_01]: And they actually ran a commercial. [SPEAKER_01]: So all these monitors, you don't see it at home, but they're monitors everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: always catch up on your sightlines. [SPEAKER_01]: So they're running the commercial. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here in my ear and it says, good start. [SPEAKER_01]: He said, we're coming back here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get as many scores in as we can. [SPEAKER_01]: I made a middle note to myself that I thought they might do something out of order. [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't going to be clean. [SPEAKER_04]: Right, audition. [SPEAKER_01]: Someone, you would want them to see

[SPEAKER_01]: you would want to see how they can handle chaos right kind of mentally him note that something might not match up and sure enough again of that second segment and there was a score that was out of order in however I handle it but let's get to this score first it will get back to that in a minute meanwhile army is playing the day against Lafayette whatever it was and went through it and got the train back on the tracks it felt easy and smooth and um

[SPEAKER_01]: Ed says 20 seconds to break promise that we're going to have an expert come on to talk on college football when we continue basically led to break parading part of what he said and they ran a commercial. [SPEAKER_01]: I think if told to this before and during that commercial out from behind the set comes a guy that I did not recognize. [SPEAKER_01]: I had not met with him prior to this.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was the first time I would meet him and he walked over, he had a blue blazer on, he walked [SPEAKER_01]: calmly said, Hey, I'm Mike Francis said, you can ask me anything you want. [SPEAKER_01]: So nice to meet you Mike. [SPEAKER_01]: He says any, you can ask me anything. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have time to really get to know him. [SPEAKER_01]: I had a minute commercial break. [SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back from commercial and back here with Mike Francis and Mike, we're early in the college with all season. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's start right now. [SPEAKER_01]: Talk about the favorites this year. [SPEAKER_01]: for the National Championship. [SPEAKER_01]: Then I set way to the Heisman race. [SPEAKER_01]: And we did this for three minutes back and forth.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Mike had a couple of times by the way where he was clipped on his answers, which I'm sure he had been instructed to do. [SPEAKER_01]: So that I had to be able to engage and pick it right up smoothly. [SPEAKER_01]: And thank him, promised the second half is coming up. [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for watching the Presidential College report. [SPEAKER_01]: we were done. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it went well. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not an overconfident guy, I ever, but I'm not underconfident either. [SPEAKER_01]: I just did what I was asked to do and I had lived through that 15 minutes. [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as it ended, there was a door that connects the studio with the control room. [SPEAKER_01]: And boom, I could hear the door sound like it slammed open.

[SPEAKER_01]: And out came three or four people, Duke struck the director, Ed Goren, and Ted Shaker, [SPEAKER_01]: They came walking right up to the desk. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still sitting in the chair and Ted's got this kind of like, like, you didn't know what to say, excitable look about him, he said, wow, wow, wow, yeah, that was really good. [SPEAKER_01]: How did you feel the wind? [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I thought it went okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: He said, however you again, I said I'm 26, you think you could actually do this for real. [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, would I have more time to prepare? [SPEAKER_01]: He said you'd have all week to prepare. [SPEAKER_04]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: I said I can do this. [SPEAKER_01]: He said, your mommy, a lot of that guy pointed right over my shoulder. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the old set had all these little monitors that were buried inside of the walls.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was taking all the feeds and that was the kind of the set design. [SPEAKER_01]: And he pointed to a monitor, CBS of skin, it was the Saturday we auditioned. [SPEAKER_01]: So the net was on the air with a horse race, the wood memorial. [SPEAKER_01]: And I looked over and I guess I had turned to late, and they had made a camera cut. [SPEAKER_01]: It was the horse racing analyst, again, big a student of the television on the air.

[SPEAKER_01]: Guys named his Frank Wright, not Frank Lloyd, but Frank Wright. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I remind you a lot of Frank Wright, who was just distinguished like 65, working, you know, guide us to see it all racing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_01]: Not him. [SPEAKER_01]: Look again, I turned around and looked. [SPEAKER_01]: And Brent, of course, did everything. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: In America.

[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I remind you a lot of Brent Mossberger. [SPEAKER_01]: He said. [SPEAKER_01]: you do. [SPEAKER_01]: I said, wow, that's a nice thing anyone's ever said. [SPEAKER_04]: There you go. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Eddie, I want you to take him out to dinner and you guys talk. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I want you guys to get to know each other. [SPEAKER_01]: So I went back to the Parker Meridian and we sat down and said, you know, basically, young man, your life has changed today.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be either the host of this show. [SPEAKER_01]: or we're going to hire you to work and groom you a little bit at one of our ONOs. [SPEAKER_01]: CBS owned and operated five stations at that time. [SPEAKER_01]: Now there's the equation's different. [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be in one of our ONOs. [SPEAKER_01]: What instantly on the O's is going to be in New York, RLA, maybe Chicago, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, that pointy told me that I knew my life was not going to be the same. [SPEAKER_01]: We had dinner. [SPEAKER_01]: I flew back the Salt Lake. [SPEAKER_01]: It was excited. [SPEAKER_01]: and I waited for the call and then I found out that I had made the final two and I needed to come back to New York a few days later and I went to dinner with the president of the sports division at that time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Peter Lund still around still champions everything I do and I'm grateful for that and Ted and we went to a restaurant on 50 second streets which is now a [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't find out to later Jimmy that I almost lost the job. [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I had it, they did bring Roy back to, but I guess that my order for lunch almost cost me the job.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they ordered first and they ordered swordfish, I'm 26 and I'm, you know, I'm eating hamburgers, hot dogs, steak, fried chicken, you know, I mean, I don't know anything about sophisticated food. [SPEAKER_04]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: And I have looked at them and said, sore fish. [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: What is that? [SPEAKER_01]: I've never had in my life, okay? [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they thought, Oh, they've looked at each other like no life experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no life experience. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to put this guy on national television. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's never going to hurt a sore fish. [SPEAKER_01]: How can we trust this guy? [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that until later, but they later informed me that he almost lost a job on the order.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to get into Brent in the NFL tail a little bit, but I have a, I know I have a lot of people who listen, who are New Yorkers, who are Mike in the middle of fans, because I was a, I heard Mike in the middle of fans, so I know there's a lot of people listening to give us a little synopsis of what Francis did for you, you know, as sort of your. [SPEAKER_03]: What did you call him, your editorial consultant?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us what that relationship was like in terms of, in work, in terms of work, what he did feel. [SPEAKER_01]: When you got to know that he had no on-air experience, okay, he had not been on the air at this point in 1985. [SPEAKER_01]: And he really was Brent's guy. [SPEAKER_01]: So he went with Brent and on the road for college basketball and I'll prep him for the games. [SPEAKER_01]: He was in the studio on Sunday for the NFL today.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, remember Brent was back in those days doing the NBA. [SPEAKER_01]: He was doing everything. [SPEAKER_01]: And basically, he went on the road with him. [SPEAKER_01]: helped him go through the process. [SPEAKER_01]: He also wrote Jimmy the Greeks national sports column, nationally syndicated sports column. [SPEAKER_01]: Then when they got 150 papers, he would go write it, the Greek would okay it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he was doing a lot of things behind the scenes for CBS people. [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, just you know, we would talk about football, we'd talk about matchups, we'd talk about [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would come into the city on on Thursday for the Saturday show and you can bank that we're on having dinner with him Thursday night breakfast lunch and dinner on Friday, going to the studio for hours before on the air. [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I was over-prepared.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mike's knowledge was we know how deep that runs and back then he was just a young kid too. [SPEAKER_01]: So when I would be looking into, okay, I'm looking at the disclaimer now, I think that's the camera right there. [SPEAKER_01]: run by a great guy we just lost the last year think Dave Kavanaugh. [SPEAKER_01]: So I look in the Dave's camera, just off to the side. [SPEAKER_01]: OK, over on this side, Mike would be standing there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't look at him, but I could see him. [SPEAKER_01]: And early on, he'd almost be like an orchestra leader. [SPEAKER_01]: He'd almost be like, you know, almost like, make, I could see the hand gestures like good. [SPEAKER_01]: calm down or you know, he just was basically just he was that he was coaching you basically this is what she was getting to me positive reinforcement. [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, listen, it's a bond there that's incredible for 40 years. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a absolute huge figure in my life to this day. [SPEAKER_01]: So I, the think the things that he did for me back at that time, you know, of course he was assigned it, but a friendship evolved [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I think that it made an enormous difference for a young kid that was now suddenly cast in front of the bright light.

[SPEAKER_01]: To get our member, ESPN was six years old at that time. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Get a national television gig at that point. [SPEAKER_01]: was I mean it's still hard. [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody wants to get in the business but there's so many outlets there's way more inventory of jobs but back then you had the three networks and you had ESPN as a startup and you didn't really have the regional kind of cable maps and metrics you have now so.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: You know I hadn't landed in a very big position and I had people that [SPEAKER_01]: You know, in 1987, I will tell you this because this is your history. [SPEAKER_01]: The fans started. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it might have been like even July 1, 1987. [SPEAKER_01]: Susan Walman was the first person on the air. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she was doing the updates for maybe Greg. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Greg might have been the first host it was on the air.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they had a guy that was running the fan named Luke Griffin. [SPEAKER_01]: who I had known because I had worked down in the Houston Market a little bit as a stringer, sending in reports to mutual broadcasting. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd go to a game and I'd give a 30 second reader. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm living in the dorms on the Houston campus. [SPEAKER_01]: I knew Luke and he had seen he had seen my career go from just to kid as a stringer is now as on CBS.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I made a call to him. [SPEAKER_01]: And I told him that there's a guy that you really need to take a look at. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think he could be really good at this, his knowledge of sports is amazing. [SPEAKER_01]: It has a way of packaging and phrasing his remarks that I think that in time, he could be a superstar. [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Mike may have asked me to call him if I knew him, whatever, I made that call.

[SPEAKER_01]: and he got to go in and meet with him and they eventually put him on the air with that colon. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Mike didn't take long. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was he was rising through the ranks. [SPEAKER_01]: Me, while dog was over it. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say WMCA, maybe. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: Do what I show. [SPEAKER_03]: He can't I think. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually the two of them were united for quite a while and 19 years.

[SPEAKER_01]: The greatest [SPEAKER_01]: will ever be and they both made it big on their own as well. [SPEAKER_01]: So, grateful, grateful for all of them and dog too. [SPEAKER_01]: They both been grateful for us. [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of the greatest of all time, um, [SPEAKER_03]: It's a big, it's a big couple weeks here for CBS. [SPEAKER_03]: So you have your anniversary on that Sunday of Jets Bills coming up here in week two.

[SPEAKER_03]: The following week, week three, I'm looking forward to this. [SPEAKER_03]: The NFL today is going to do a throwback edition to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the NFL today, 50 years of the NFL today. [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously those old days when it first started, Brent, Jimmy the Greeker of Cross, Phil's George, [SPEAKER_03]: Brett will be in studio week three in New York, put the car and crew James Brown and Bill Cower and others. [SPEAKER_03]: You have a role in that at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't heard anything about it yet, but that's not. [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's still I'm sure being developed. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there are only four anchors in the history of the NFL today. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm honored to be one of them. [SPEAKER_01]: We've already lost one. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with Greg's basketball just so, you know, it's still hard to get my mind around that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we had, you know, Brent and Greg and JB and I were the only four in the 50 years. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had six years in the seat, 98 through 03, and it just had a profound impact on me as a kid growing up. [SPEAKER_01]: I just love the show, love the cast, that's why I'm sitting in his seat, many more. [SPEAKER_01]: I still hear that NFL today music in my head. [SPEAKER_01]: It just, it just was powerful, just very, very powerful.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I had, I had Brent on the podcast two weeks ago, as sharp as ever at 80, 80, 86 years old, you know, a treasure for me was for the Super Bowl in Las Vegas is I've, I've really felt with Brent being a resident there that I, I wanted to go have dinner with them. [SPEAKER_01]: I, just do you know how I get into these, yes, or, [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit quirky or a fine meaning in people and places and numbers and whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I really felt it was important to be able to go with it at Super Bowl and have a chance to be with Brent and we had just a great night, three hours and I invited Mike Arnold to come along who was our incredible director and he had worked with Brent again 30 something years [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure do. [SPEAKER_03]: I hope and I can't wait to hear it week three. [SPEAKER_03]: I think people They should bring it back. [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think, Jimmy?

[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_03]: They should bring it. [SPEAKER_03]: But should it never left? [SPEAKER_03]: It should have never left. [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, on the wrong person to ask, I'd bring back the old graphics. [SPEAKER_03]: I'd bring back, I'd make it 1980 all over again. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm the, but yeah, that song should absolutely come back. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, though. [SPEAKER_01]: I, I think, I don't [SPEAKER_01]: It's still impossible to beat that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's that sound great. [SPEAKER_01]: That's like I upcut here at the top that opening drum set man. [SPEAKER_03]: It's That's it What's better than that? [SPEAKER_01]: It should be used theme songs that are out there people talk about the CBS college [SPEAKER_01]: football music that's lasted 40 years. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, there's, there's, there's, uh, Sunday night football's orchestration. [SPEAKER_01]: There's the master's theme music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: something that might look a little 70-ish. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't quite have that down yet. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's a really cool thing that we're doing. [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was awesome that you had Brent on the show. [SPEAKER_01]: And he finally got, and I talked about it on your show. [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: We had to get him in the little hall of fame.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: One of the most egregious, like, what about absences that there was in Canton and his guy that just created NFL Sundays from the studio. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so happy and rejoice [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking forward to that week three. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to get your take on something. [SPEAKER_03]: I read recently and then I'm going to end with a ridiculous question. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to get your take on this because I saw this.

[SPEAKER_03]: This comes from John O'Ran's newsletter. [SPEAKER_03]: He spoke to Toreco. [SPEAKER_03]: Toreco had an interesting comment about basically kids, I don't know if kids is the right word, but younger people today. [SPEAKER_03]: don't really aspire to be played by play people. [SPEAKER_03]: They're looking more at the hot take stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: Let me I'll read you a Tereko's quote is here. [SPEAKER_03]: Again, this isn't John O'Ran's newsletter on Puck.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do notice when I go back to school now, you find more of the students who are interested in being hosts and opinion makers and less who are interested in being played by play announcers. [SPEAKER_03]: The celebrity factor becomes the magnet and the idea of coming through the ranks is not there as often as it once was at least in some of the students I see. [SPEAKER_03]: What has been your experience with that you think Mike's onto something there of you I didn't get a lot of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think you've got an accurate read on a Jimmy. [SPEAKER_01]: I really do think that it speaks to the power of social media hot takes creating conversation and they think that's the business and they think that's what they want to get into I'm sure that [SPEAKER_01]: Mike also gets a tremendous amount of mail and inquiries from kids that are in high school and college. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm fielded all the time.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of the honors of my life because I used to be one of those kids. [SPEAKER_01]: It was writing letters in my time. [SPEAKER_01]: But most of them when I try to distill what it is they want to do, I say most of them, not all them, but I would say it's over 50%. [SPEAKER_01]: They want to be famous. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: They want people to hear them. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to go against the grain here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure Mike's wired the exact same way. [SPEAKER_01]: That was never the hook. [SPEAKER_01]: It was the story and the ability to be a storyteller that was the draw. [SPEAKER_01]: it had nothing to do with trying to get your face out there, your name out there or say something profound. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just different. [SPEAKER_01]: It speaks to the way we work today. [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got a hot take on everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's okay not to have a hot take on everything. [SPEAKER_01]: People feel like they're incomplete. [SPEAKER_01]: If they're not able to converse and have something really sharp and edgy to say, because you have to be that way. [SPEAKER_01]: having a reservoir of play by play guys because everybody is drawn to the idea of being on camera. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's fascinating to me because [SPEAKER_03]: I understand the appeal of the hot take opinion, get your comments out there, become famous, make money. [SPEAKER_03]: I get why that would appeal, but that should not take away from the fact that at least from my perspective, and maybe I mend my own world on this, but like, I think play by play is one of the coolest jobs you could have in the entire world.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when I was a kid growing up, I wanted to be the play by play guy for the Yankees. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I wanted to do. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so to hear that kids don't think that play by play is, and I think Tureko hit on something too, because you see this no matter what the profession is, it's not just to play by play. [SPEAKER_03]: The younger kids don't want to pay dues, they don't want to work their way up.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've seen this at SI, people come in at 23, 24, they want to be a senior writer. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's, I think a lot of that element to it as well. [SPEAKER_03]: But play by play is like one of the coolest jobs you can have. [SPEAKER_01]: It is actually the coolest job you could have, you know, really it has and I see this same urgency to when I communicate with younger people who want to get in the business.

[SPEAKER_01]: They'll send me a tape while they're in school. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll follow up. [SPEAKER_01]: They'll follow up maybe a year out of school. [SPEAKER_01]: And they'll send me another real, I'll say, you know, you've got to go somewhere and get that experience. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I understand it, but do you know anybody at CBS, I could send it to them? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're 22 years old. [SPEAKER_01]: And they ain't, what, wait a minute, why do I need to go to Casper Wyoming?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't this tape just land on the right desk? [SPEAKER_01]: At one of the networks, I see it all the time, Jimmy, but the job, the people who say you're talking about your own job is that's self-aggrandizing here, but it is an art form, being able to put it up. [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: But the whole thing together and leave an impression, not be the story, but be the undercurrent that makes the story even a little bit richer.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tremendous responsibility. [SPEAKER_01]: and we've talked in the past about the old play-by-play voices of my youth and we still have, and we still have out there working to do great things and I love our Michaels and you know, I've watched him a lot as a kid, he probably cringes when I say that. [SPEAKER_01]: I did and admired him and still just hang on every word he says, but like the idea that [SPEAKER_01]: you can be at the event is the draw.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not to be setting it up with a bunch of hot takes or watching it and then following up with a lot of takes in the aftermath. [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, the rating is the game. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the announcer, but we as the play by play, broadcasters have a chance to be in that massive audience. [SPEAKER_01]: We're there on the scene. [SPEAKER_01]: The goal is to be at the game in my mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not trying to disparage the studio work or the hot take guys it's just I found the the richest rewards I could have you know I'll I'll go back to to big in the host of the NFL today. [SPEAKER_01]: When we got the NFL back in 98. [SPEAKER_01]: I got a call from from Sean McManus and Tony Petiti who's now the big 10 commissioner.

[SPEAKER_01]: it's a gym you you were here in the past used to call NFL games you know was in my I was like 30 years old I was calling NFL games and Who is your adolescent when you were 30 years old and Hank stream?

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, a little lot of games I think eventually Ray the cross who's enjoyed to work with Tim brand too Tim brand love 10 stay in touch with him, but We get the NFL back [SPEAKER_01]: And we had lost everybody, Greg went to NBC, J.B. [SPEAKER_01]: went to Fox and you know what, I still had things to do. [SPEAKER_01]: I still had the the chance and the gift of anchoring our golf coverage and I was on the NCAA tournament with Billy with Packer.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep. [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I had every reason to stay at CPS, you know, those were events I was never going to walk away from, everybody knows that. [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, Sean in short says, what would you like to do? [SPEAKER_01]: You want to do the play by play, or you want to do the studio? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I like the idea because of my hook to that show, that music, that set, must burger, fill us.

[SPEAKER_01]: The whole crew, you know, I wanted to go in there and recreate the NFL today. [SPEAKER_01]: And I like the idea that could be off the road for almost half a year. [SPEAKER_01]: And my agent, Barry Frank said, Jim, you're making a mistake. [SPEAKER_01]: I said, Barry, I've got to get this out of my system. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to go back. [SPEAKER_01]: I had come in as a studio guy, kind of transitioned to a play by play guy and I wanted to go back and did my toe in that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Still anchor the golf, still call the NCAA tournament. [SPEAKER_01]: So for six years, at the end of six years in the summer of 24, [SPEAKER_01]: I was in Houston, it was Father's Day weekend, and I got a call on a weekend from Sean and Tony, and he said, we're going to make a change. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to put you on the number one games with Phil, or click Reg in the studio. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to flip you guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard it for six years from my agent that you should have chosen the games all right that's your calling so what he said so I got to see it all I'm grateful for my talk you got to be the studio and Yeah, I'm now at 500 and This weekend of being my 500 and fifth NFL game on CBS. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll try to remember L.A. [SPEAKER_01]: She guys did a little fun on camera wild card game. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, to speak in a calling everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to end on a ridiculous question. [SPEAKER_03]: CBS and Paramount, they just made some big headlines because they acquired UFC. [SPEAKER_03]: Would we ever see Jim Nance call a UFC match or host a UFC event or do anything in terms of UFC coverage for CBS and Paramount? [SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been discussed yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm excited that there's a commitment to acquiring properties and I'm excited [SPEAKER_01]: these folks that have come in here led by David Ellison and I know and Jeff Shell and I know how committed they are to sports. [SPEAKER_01]: I know this is a different way of looking at sports, but it's it's it's it's good for us more jobs for all the people I care about the producers and directors and all the people I work with and CBS sports family.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I when they have the first event. [SPEAKER_03]: When they have their first event, not on paramed, but it's on big CBS and they say, Jim, we need you to just host the studio for us until we get to the actual fights. [SPEAKER_03]: Would you be intrigued or would you say not my, not my bag? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've always had a one rule, so I probably have to stick to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: amount, you could maybe go back through all the events that I've done and say, well, how much does you know about Polo? [SPEAKER_01]: How much does you know about speed skating? [SPEAKER_01]: How much does you know about whatever? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've done like 40 different sports in my career. [SPEAKER_01]: If you go take the full scope of it all. [SPEAKER_01]: But I've tried to be heavily involved in only things that I can talk about with some area addition.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel that I'm qualified [SPEAKER_01]: to be able to speak to UFC. [SPEAKER_01]: We got baseball and this is, you know, you were in grade school. [SPEAKER_01]: We got baseball 35 years ago and I got offered a chance to be a part of that package and I was probably my play, but I didn't feel like I can handle it well enough, conversa, well, even though I love baseball and I was always very mindful and careful.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't expect it, but now after this podcast, I'm getting a phone call about this, you know, we'll see. [SPEAKER_03]: Jim Nans turning around while this Sunday, they will be calling the Bill's Jets game, week three, Bengals Vikings, week four, a biggie with the Ravens and Chiefs, 40 years at CBS for Jim Nans. [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations. [SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate you giving me the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nice to be able to, let me stir some old memories and they've needed a place for the rest of the land. [SPEAKER_01]: They've been sitting in my head for a while. [SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it. [SPEAKER_03]: There you go. [SPEAKER_03]: You got it any time. [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks. [SPEAKER_03]: Be well, Jim. [SPEAKER_03]: Have a great season. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, joining me now is he does every week for our train of thought segment from WFAN or radio in New York.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and why TV in New York, my buddy. [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, how does how are you? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm good, but I know I'm not doing as well as you are. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't be more excited than you at this time of year. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would have been more excited if I didn't get destroyed in betting this weekend. [SPEAKER_03]: But nothing happened to me. [SPEAKER_03]: That was half as bad as what happened to you. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, brutal brutal.

[SPEAKER_03]: So let me just tell, let me give a little background. [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, I debated long and hard about whether I wanted to admit this of the pod because I really don't because it's pathetic. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm an embarrassment. [SPEAKER_03]: I fell asleep in the fourth quarter of the Bill's Ravens game. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just disgusting. [SPEAKER_03]: And I know what happened, too. [SPEAKER_03]: I could tell you exactly what happened.

[SPEAKER_03]: For about a month. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for about a month, I've been eating clean and healthy. [SPEAKER_03]: But some days the first day of football, so you got to like splurge, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So I had three Sicilian slices of pizza and it put me in a carb coma. [SPEAKER_03]: 100% what happened? [SPEAKER_03]: Because I even fall in the sleep in the chair watching games at night in weeks. [SPEAKER_03]: So, but I know that I had a carb coma dosed off at 40 to 25.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I get a text from my buddy, Junero, from 1130 at night, where we've had this thing for 20 years about how Matt Prater is the most underrated player in NFL history. [SPEAKER_03]: And every time he kicks like a 50 yard field, he'll be texting each other. [SPEAKER_03]: So I see a text from him at 430 in the morning that just said Prater. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going, why is he taking, I'm like, don't tell me he kicked some game, I checked the box score.

[SPEAKER_03]: I see the bills end up winning that game when I have it fall asleep as 425. [SPEAKER_03]: Then I see a text from south with some screen grab from draft kings or fandle, I don't know where. [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought he had won some Paralyze and we go, that's good. [SPEAKER_03]: Then I tell Sal, I text him, you know, a reasonable hour the next morning. [SPEAKER_03]: I say, I fell asleep, you know, do you believe I lost that bet?

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I double checked it and so that he had lost it. [SPEAKER_02]: And now you can tell the people, what happened to you, boy, before that, do you think, because I give you a pass, like, I've been in those carcomers in a four o'clock window. [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of times at halftime and four, I'm like, what the hell happened here? [SPEAKER_02]: Is it worse? [SPEAKER_02]: is it worse to fall asleep or worse to have gone the bed?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because a lot of people I guarantee you went to bed and I would have if I didn't have the bed. [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think? [SPEAKER_03]: In this case, it was worse to fall asleep because you feel like a flat slob because you fell asleep because if you were in a carb coma from having three slices, it's a silly pizza. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, three is nothing.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so three corners by the way, corner only honestly because I would have gone too bad if I didn't have action on it. [SPEAKER_02]: I took it on the chin during the day, because I had these dealers minus two and a half was my big bet lost that that in the parley. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, when they when they when you bet a low spread and they win the game and you lose the bet that's the worst.

[SPEAKER_02]: two and a half like come on to give me a break um anyway so I lost that I had 30 bucks left to play with after my initial deposit and I decided to do a same game parlay and I had jock Allen I just wanted to focus on one aspect I had Allen for overpassing touchdowns hit two or more overyarded [SPEAKER_02]: Josh Palmer over 30 yards receiving, which hit on the final drive, and I had Allen 30 and have rushing yards, which also hit on the final drive.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, Allen scrambles on the final drive, then I'm like, all I need is the Josh Palmer, that that's the horn one, cross to my fingers, completed the Josh Palmer for 15 y'all, whatever one says, like, holy crap. [SPEAKER_02]: This was worth it, staying up all night. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm back to even in my account. [SPEAKER_02]: I won this bet. [SPEAKER_02]: The bills make a big play down the field. [SPEAKER_02]: They get in field goal range.

[SPEAKER_02]: They take three consecutive knees, which loses, I believe, five yards, which gets Allen to 30 rushing yards, and I had 30 and a half over. [SPEAKER_02]: And I lost the parlor because of that bullshit. [SPEAKER_03]: Now listen, that is the worst way to lose bets. [SPEAKER_03]: I've lost bets that way. [SPEAKER_03]: I lost one last year that way with the Neil Downs when you bet rushing yards for quarterback. [SPEAKER_03]: But you lost it in a five leg parlay.

[SPEAKER_03]: My God. [SPEAKER_03]: We've been, how do you go on Monday? [SPEAKER_03]: How do you go on Monday? [SPEAKER_03]: How do you live life on Monday? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I didn't I didn't gamble.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just tried to and then and then the worst part of it I'm I'm texting people that like I texted Nick Costos and you the two people who I thought can help me Like vent of this proper gambling thing and neither if he got back to me you will pass out He's probably need deep in his sorrows from losing the Ravens bet which was also a disaster if you had the Ravens But that was a brutal beat [SPEAKER_03]: That's unbelievable.

[SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't I couldn't help you but I would have been able to help you all I would have said was yeah, this happens it happened to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I didn't know that because I don't do these things a lot But also think about what it would take like I was losing that bet the like 95% of that game Right, just hoping that one final draw then then boom he scrambles check [SPEAKER_02]: past the Palmer check and then not been thinking that I was going to get beat three friggin knees. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, dude. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the bothersome.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know, so did he have, like, how many rushing yards did he have before the knees? [SPEAKER_02]: I believe he lost five yards because it was minus two, minus one, and then again, minus two. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even think about it until I saw him taking it and I was like, oh, shit. [SPEAKER_02]: And then I went to the site and saw it, I was like, oh, they did take off two yards on that. [SPEAKER_02]: Then the next one was only one yard and I was still winning at that point.

[SPEAKER_02]: And now I'm thinking, take the field, go for the love of God, take the field, go or run or end the ball up. [SPEAKER_02]: do something and if you do take any only do it for a yard and he did it for two yards again. [SPEAKER_02]: So I believe he had 35. [SPEAKER_03]: I will say this and maybe I'm saying this because I'm a degenerate gambler and I've lost bets that way. [SPEAKER_03]: A kneel down should not be a rushing attempt. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, I agree.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a ridiculous scoring rule. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: I also don't like like for instance last night on Monday night. [SPEAKER_03]: I'd bet over six and a half catches for just a Jefferson, which lost, but there was one play where McCarthy throws him a pass behind the line of scrimmage, running play. [SPEAKER_03]: That's counted as a running play. [SPEAKER_03]: Everything embedding is stacked against you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we can correct it.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's against you and we still do it. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sick, sick people. [SPEAKER_03]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: I have a couple of sports observations and then we can get into some other things. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you watch the Chargers Chiefs game on Friday night on YouTube? [SPEAKER_02]: No, very little of it. [SPEAKER_03]: One of the worst game productions I've ever seen in my life. [SPEAKER_03]: Just her.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got to pray YouTube now YouTube, which does as good a job as you could possibly do [SPEAKER_03]: For some, they tick it. [SPEAKER_03]: Just made that game so beyond annoying. [SPEAKER_03]: Just putting all these people on who I have no idea who they are. [SPEAKER_03]: Just no clue who they are. [SPEAKER_02]: I read so who did I used them was on the play by play. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, and then just doesn't have the game doesn't have a big, big feel.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a problem. [SPEAKER_03]: Also, on Saturday, I went to use the new and improved DSPN app. [SPEAKER_03]: Try to get the quad box, did not work again. [SPEAKER_03]: So that is now three times I've tried to get the quad box going on the ESPN app, and I'm over three. [SPEAKER_03]: Now I don't know if I have maybe an older version of an Apple TV device.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know I have great internet, I'm paying 100 bucks a month for internet for 100 gigs or whatever the hell I'm streaming left and right all over the place. [SPEAKER_03]: but I cannot get the quad. [SPEAKER_03]: I can get two games and one of them is blurry. [SPEAKER_03]: So as I try to get more than two games, doesn't work. [SPEAKER_03]: I had a problem on Sunday, if Sunday ticket on YouTube, I had zero problems. [SPEAKER_02]: So I wanna, well, you're more beautifully.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wanna either talk this out or complain about this. [SPEAKER_02]: Why can't I pick my own game mix on YouTube TV? [SPEAKER_03]: You can, oh, if you have an Apple TV device. [SPEAKER_03]: Why, yeah, I'm new to. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not an IT guy. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the technology is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but also this is the second year in a row, where as I was streaming the Sunday ticket, when it was with Direct TV and outside of the local games, I could pick any game that I wanted. [SPEAKER_02]: With YouTube TV, I felt the appeal was that including the local games, you can pick any game that you want. [SPEAKER_02]: And I cannot do it. [SPEAKER_02]: They have a lot of game mixes available, but I cannot singularly pick the four games for the quad.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the deal is. [SPEAKER_03]: with YouTube TV and the local games, because I don't have YouTube TV, but I can tell you on YouTube where they do black out the local games, so like you can't get the jets and giants on Sunday ticket. [SPEAKER_03]: Every single combination of game mix is offered. [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't, you don't pick your own games, either. [SPEAKER_02]: You're picking one of their combos.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's, but they offer anything I would make. [SPEAKER_03]: They, anything I would want to come up with, they have it. [SPEAKER_03]: They have every combination that's available. [SPEAKER_02]: But, but they know, see, for me, like I saw one with Jack's, Giants, Valvins, I'm not getting involved with the locals, because I don't get the locals. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't get the locals on something. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you don't have YouTube TV. [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so non-local, they offer every combination possible. [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, so you answer, so you still don't pick your game mix, but they offer every combination possible. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so that's the same as direct CV where I have the difference and it isn't advantage is that I at least have game mix offered within the locals. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not ones that I can choose. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, at least you do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been waiting about to find an answer for this for, you know, a year and a half now. [SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, you mean, but I don't, like I said, I don't have YouTube TV. [SPEAKER_03]: So, Jets and Giants are never offered to me on Sunday ticket. [SPEAKER_03]: I have to put them on a separate TV with the local channels. [SPEAKER_02]: And I just have to accept whatever their quad makes is that includes both, that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like for me, the fourth game was cold dolphins, which I had no interest in. [SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of stuck with that. [SPEAKER_03]: I find that hard. [SPEAKER_03]: So you tell me they didn't have a quad box with Jet's giants.

[SPEAKER_02]: Falcons box and brown spangles what correct they had they had a two box jets giants which I love they had other combinations they didn't have the jets Giants I want to jet science falcons and jag wars and they did not have that [SPEAKER_03]: I find that very interesting because, again, on YouTube, they have every combination you can imagine. [SPEAKER_03]: It should be all of them. [SPEAKER_02]: If I can't pick the games myself, give me every combo, but I can't.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's, I have, I, it would be impossible for me to love Sunday ticket on YouTube any more than I do. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the greatest.

[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's there watching everyone else in America is watching the red zone losing their minds because they had one minute of commercials over seven hours I mean, come on, give me a break One minute over seven hours One minute is, I've never watched one minute of red zone in my life And people who have been out of a one minute of commercials Right, ridiculous [SPEAKER_03]: I got JJ what was great on the jet steel again, what I and that's going to be a great booth.

[SPEAKER_03]: What I like about JJ what had fun didn't act like he was solving cancer and still gave you a good balance of X's and I was in entertainment. [SPEAKER_03]: So he did a good job there. [SPEAKER_03]: Can I one comment that I have from this? [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I like it as well because JJ what didn't make it about himself. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, it wasn't looking my brother and all like he almost went out of his way to kind of ignore that and play it down the middle, which I respect.

[SPEAKER_02]: He did the game, he had fun, they joked with all the X's and O's and it wasn't about looking me, haha, here I am. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you hear, did you hear his WWE heel turn line? [SPEAKER_02]: I did refresh me though. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm forgetting. [SPEAKER_03]: But he got it wrong, but I give it the the effort and the the attempt.

[SPEAKER_03]: I give in a plus so the ref The games in New Jersey in New York and it's a jet-home game the ref calls a penalty on the jets [SPEAKER_03]: Then he gets back on the mics his correction, the penalty was on Pittsburgh, so JJ said the ref did a heel turn, but it really was a face turn if you were wrestling nerd like us, so that was a good good job, listen, I could sit here and rant and rave and go crazy about Ryan Clark and what he did to Schreger.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's all been set already, like I'm late to the party, but just, but again, this stupidity, the utter stupidity. [SPEAKER_03]: So if Ryan Clark is on, get up. [SPEAKER_03]: with Schreger. [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want to hear from Schreger because he didn't play. [SPEAKER_03]: So when he's on first take with Steven A Smith, I would assume he doesn't want to hear from Steven A Smith because he didn't play.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when he's on NFL live with me in a times, I assume he doesn't want to hear from her because she didn't play. [SPEAKER_03]: And when he does the Monday pre game, [SPEAKER_03]: From Monday night, football is with Scott Van Pelt. [SPEAKER_03]: I would assume he doesn't want to hear from him.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or does he just not want to hear from Schreger because there's an issue there, which is what I end up thinking because why you attacking Schreger, who knows more about football than 95% of the people, 99% of the people on TV, who's plugged in, has been covering the leaked for years, has more context than anyone.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just a ridiculous, [SPEAKER_03]: ridiculous thing to say to someone on life TV like and again if Ryan Clark has an issue because triggered it and playing the NFL and is on the show giving opinions then take it up at the ESPN bosses why you calling out trigger go to your boss and say hey we shouldn't have anyone on who never played football what a don't be don't be thing to say I um well whatever I'm not even going to get to it well said good job yeah

[SPEAKER_02]: What was the arhypidding player, you know? [SPEAKER_03]: He was a good player. [SPEAKER_03]: He was a good player. [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: Why? [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, I'm with you that, no player. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's just the lowest. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody could have an opinion. [SPEAKER_02]: We watched more football than players do, but nobody could have an opinion on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then even if you do, like, it's not exactly Tom Brady that we're listening to with Ryan Clark. [SPEAKER_03]: And just, you know, [SPEAKER_03]: The greatest show in the history of sports took radios, Mike and the Medok. [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't play. [SPEAKER_03]: And Mike would probably try to tell you he wanted to play, but decided to do something else or whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: But this theory that you have to play to tell us what you see with your eye, you know, I don't need to play the game to see if a player is playing well or not. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, by the way, there are a lot of people that watch football and have watched football, follow football that no more rules in, I don't know, so I'm NFL like coaches. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there are a lot of people, and just because you played, it doesn't mean you're good TV or a good authority on anything. [SPEAKER_03]: Correct. [SPEAKER_03]: There are people who play to a table TV. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the way it is. [SPEAKER_03]: So Team Shreger. [SPEAKER_03]: I got it just way in because so many people hit me up. [SPEAKER_03]: This is how it's turned stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen anything.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen anything more ridiculous in my life. [SPEAKER_03]: There is zero journalism, the media, all of it. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I've never in my life seen a bigger disaster. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, first they said he was canceled and fired over the summer. [SPEAKER_03]: While he's on summer vacation and his contracts not up till December, [SPEAKER_03]: He comes back, now he played this prank, which I didn't really find.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I knew within five seconds it was a prank because people don't want Twitter saying to me, oh my God, Andy Cohen's replacing out. [SPEAKER_03]: So I said, no, it's a prank. [SPEAKER_03]: And then for variety and the associated press to put out breaking news, serious replaces, how it's done with Andy Cohen without checking without, I don't understand what's going on with [SPEAKER_03]: Like, we don't check to see if anything's real. [SPEAKER_03]: It's unbelievable.

[SPEAKER_02]: All the people care. [SPEAKER_02]: People don't care. [SPEAKER_02]: They want to believe what they want to, they want to, yeah, they want to believe that. [SPEAKER_02]: They want to hear anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't want to get into this. [SPEAKER_03]: I really don't. [SPEAKER_03]: But like, there's this whole thing with Howard, where like, MAGA wants him canceled, because he spoke out against Trump. [SPEAKER_03]: So they are convinced to show.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like, he's on the air. [SPEAKER_03]: He was on the air yesterday. [SPEAKER_03]: He was on the air today. [SPEAKER_03]: But they're convinced he was canceled. [SPEAKER_03]: and the show zone. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know what you're supposed to do. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how you combat that. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the same thing with ESPN in the red zone. [SPEAKER_03]: So ESPN does not own the red zone and it felt us. [SPEAKER_03]: There's a deal for the NFL.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, for ESPN to distribute the red zone, it's not official, it has to get approved. [SPEAKER_03]: And it wouldn't happen till next year anyway. [SPEAKER_03]: And when the if the deal goes through, next year ESPN will distribute red zone, meaning if you want to watch red zone, [SPEAKER_03]: but the NFL still owns red zone, runs at red zone, operates red zone. [SPEAKER_03]: But there's all these people that say ESPN put the commercial on red zone.

[SPEAKER_03]: Even though red zone had commercials in week 15 and 16 last year, when ESPN had nothing to do with it. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: But you tell people that I had a mutant block at about 200 people, because I would say, [SPEAKER_03]: ESPN just, well, first of all, there's no deal. [SPEAKER_03]: So right now, they have nothing to do with red zone on September 11th, 2000 and 25, ESPN does not have anything to do with red zone.

[SPEAKER_03]: When the deal gets approved, ESPN will distribute red zone. [SPEAKER_03]: That's their only involvement, meaning you need to go to ESPN to watch it. [SPEAKER_03]: You tell people that and they say, that's not true. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, what are you supposed to do? [SPEAKER_03]: What are you supposed to do? [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing I'm learning that is forward. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit different when you have. [SPEAKER_02]: They just they don't want to hear it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you can give a factual statement like you just said. [SPEAKER_02]: Last year here's the proof. [SPEAKER_02]: There were commercials in the red zone. [SPEAKER_02]: This year here's the proof. [SPEAKER_02]: You could say it Shepter can tweet at what you did ESPN has nothing to do with the red zone right now. [SPEAKER_02]: That's reported fact and yet people want to believe what they want to believe in. [SPEAKER_02]: I know. [SPEAKER_03]: I find it terrifying.

[SPEAKER_03]: I really do. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's wrap it up with this. [SPEAKER_03]: You had a weekend alone last weekend. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if your wife was in Atlantic City, did you do any gambling? [SPEAKER_03]: Let's start with that. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no gambling. [SPEAKER_03]: What's the point in what is the point of going to Atlantic City if you don't gamble?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe her friends did, she was going for, you know, birthdays for friends or whatever, but she's not a gambler. [SPEAKER_02]: All right, not enough room for two gamblers in this household. [SPEAKER_03]: Did you tell her about the parlay? [SPEAKER_02]: No, no. [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't try to explain to her the meal day. [SPEAKER_02]: She was asleep. [SPEAKER_02]: She was asleep so then I'd buy that time. [SPEAKER_03]: So how is the weekend as a bachelor?

[SPEAKER_02]: If, dude, I'll tell you, it was nice. [SPEAKER_02]: It was fun to tell my daughter. [SPEAKER_02]: And then when she goes to bed around seven o'clock, take her out to McDonald's, go get pizza, whatever during the day. [SPEAKER_02]: But then when she goes to bed, [SPEAKER_02]: the greatest thing ever. [SPEAKER_02]: It's me, the dog, the couch, and the TV. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody talking to me. [SPEAKER_02]: No distractions. [SPEAKER_02]: No do this for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like it used to be me and my time. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you know what I did? [SPEAKER_02]: I've been watched that Cowboys documentary. [SPEAKER_02]: I got through five episodes today.

[SPEAKER_02]: what did you think love it I love it love love it it was the perfect appetite for the football Sunday watching that Saturday night I couldn't love it anymore so far you watched it no we're how many you you went zero I never got to it and now forget it now you can't you would love yeah I know but what's time [SPEAKER_02]: get a lot. [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's eight hours. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at least an hour episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've watched so much baseball, football, and tennis in the last two weeks. [SPEAKER_03]: There has not been room for one other thing. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's your problem watching tennis. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love this open. [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, before I was like, I was like 10 in one betting the U.S. [SPEAKER_02]: Open, by the way, because that is like next level for me. [SPEAKER_03]: I had awkward at Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know who that is.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Saturday morning, first thing I did with my daughter before we went to McDonald's, we went to the soprano house. [SPEAKER_03]: Like the actual way of turning it, Carmella lived. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, now. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you taking your daughter there? [SPEAKER_02]: Because she was with me. [SPEAKER_02]: I had no talk about what it was. [SPEAKER_02]: This is a South trip.

[SPEAKER_02]: She was just couldn't she was getting dragged along couldn't leave her at home. [SPEAKER_03]: And then we tell everyone how old your daughter is. [SPEAKER_03]: Or she's four. [SPEAKER_03]: So she doesn't know about Tony and Kong. [SPEAKER_02]: Correct. [SPEAKER_02]: She's yelling in the back going Disney song Disney song and I'm going sopranos to play in the open as we drive down the book. [SPEAKER_02]: But I figured that's how you can get a kick out of scene.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was surreal seeing that. [SPEAKER_03]: How far is it from your house in terms of time like 18 minutes ish like an 18-minute drive. [SPEAKER_03]: And there's someone live in the house. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I didn't go knock on the door, but there's one sign out there that says, do not loiter violators will be prosecuted. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm sure they get people all the time going to check it out. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Did you loiter?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I drove past like three times because they didn't want to loiter. [SPEAKER_03]: That's loitering. [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't want, I figured that's sitting there, I said, didn't know what to do. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you throw your role, daughter arrested. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's life will never leave again. [SPEAKER_02]: We went there first, then McDonald's. [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to show her this a pride allows, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Does the house look the same as it did?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in the show. [SPEAKER_02]: The driveway, all that. [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just compared your Tony and his bathrobe, or his whatever room. [SPEAKER_03]: Telling Carmella, he like some pulp. [SPEAKER_02]: Go on, yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_03]: And she throws the fauna out of him. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_02]: You just get a kick out of that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no. [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely would. [SPEAKER_03]: I definitely would. [SPEAKER_03]: So real.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it. [SPEAKER_03]: I love that. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you did with your daughter. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been all my list to do. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, when the wife's around this, you never do anything you want to do. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can't get away with hun, let's go drive to Tony's house on the Saturday when she wants you at Costco, but if we're going to McDonald's, we're going to McDonald's now. [SPEAKER_02]: Me, it was a thought, all the Tony's house first. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'm glad you had that got that weekend on the [SPEAKER_02]: Never again in my life on my betting that prop never again, and please hold me to that never again And only takes the rule, but it got to change the rule.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see All right, so do you do you have any week two games? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's early in the week. [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have anything you like? [SPEAKER_03]: No, I have not looked yet. [SPEAKER_03]: Still in a week. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so have a good week. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk to you next week. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: Talk to you later.

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