Appoche production. Today we're going to be chatting with Levi, Soid welcome back to the show. When we're talking about the pain that's associated with trauma, so emotional pain, physical pain. So we're really going to unpack that today. So as a coach, what would you say, is there like a more common type of pain that you see a lot of your clients come through with.
Well, I mean there's so many different pains, right, And you can have gut pain, which is so common like ibs that the people have got so much pain. You've got endometriosis, which has pain associated with all the time. You've got headache pain, migrain, you've got lower back pain, you've got knee pain, You've got pretty much every single disease or condition can have pain associated with it. And sometimes conditions don't have pain associated but they're horrendously disastrous.
But pain is just exhausting. When you've got pain associated with something, you're energy levels are just so low all the time. It's just so fatiguing, and it's just like carrying a heavy weight with you all day every day. So that pain is connected to that block stress in
the body. Pain is just another beautiful signal right, But it's just saying, hey, there's inflammation here, or hey, please don't keep thinking this way, or please don't keep overloading yourself like this, or hey, three hours of sleep isn't good enough. Can you please help me a little bit recover? Right, And we don't listen to it, and it sort of goes okay, a little bit of pain, it shuts up, and then it goes okay, try this for size. I'm trying to tell you something again here, pain or any
of our conditions. You could I don't be playing tennis and you go over on your ankle and you've got a certain amount of pain. Now, obviously that's a contact thing. Whether you're saying your muscles a week because you're not recovering, or you might be going through an emotional stress, which is that's an association, but it is. It's just a physical majority thing where the most of my pain is just a response to a huge amount of inflammation because
I've torn a muscle or a ligament here. Right, The amount of times that somebody's period pain has been fixed just through taking magnesiums in can be six and all of a sudden they come back and they're like, I'm a different person. We haven't cleared any trauma, but it's just like, hey, during these times, I just need extra amount of this nutrient, right, And because you haven't given that to me and you haven't been able to, I'm going to throw out these extra symptoms to say back,
the fuck off, don't do as much work. And you're like, no, I can do it through this, and a lot of women just push right through. And as we become more connected to our body and listening, etc. And I've seen that with you Ash, you back off and it's like where you can. Life happens obviously, but you sort of listen in and you go, I can only be at a seven out of ten during this period. Plus I need some extra sleep, I may need some extra nutrients.
And so a lot of times we can resolve that pain or the excessive pain for PMS just with that extra supplementation. So we've got there can be a physic call cause of pain, there can be a nutritional deficiency, but the majority of pain that people go through is what we call chronic pain, and chronic pain is really defined as anything that lasts over six months. Now again, I'm at that point with chronic pain where I hate to use percentages, but I would say ninety five percent
of chronic pain is just an unsafe nervous system. So it's fear in the body, and majority of that isn't the food, and it's actually the body is now, you know, which is really smart. It goes I've perceived that this food, this causes the bloating, and the bloating equals the pain initially, but it's now just remembering that this is a condition, or this is a position, or this is an emotion
that causes this. And so what we do to reverse that is show the body that this is now safe and people can now eat gluten again, they can now eat dairy again. An example is you know someone that walks in and had been through almost everything, just about to have their backs like fused. They're having injections just to manage the pain, and within really within an hour
and a half, they're touching their toes, they're swaying. In a session or when you can use music and use vibration, we can put you in a place using body up breathing so that your nervous systems calm and I can help you regulate the current emotions so you're in a great place, so then we can do the movements, and then you can go back home and you're stressed or you're in a shitty situation, and the pain can come back.
And that's where like sometimes you get a benefit and then it comes back, and that's where we go, Aha, the nervous system's not safe. Now we need to Actually, it's like a little light bulb that goes there's underlying trauma or block stress there that we now have to release, and when that's all gone, then the pain never comes back. Anything short term up to six months. Really, it can
be just physical. In a physical pain. Let's say I've got a knee pain and I just keep doing squats with an imbalanced muscles and I'm creating that inflammation all the time. Then that's also physical, right. But when we're talking about these long term standing things where it's a year, two years, three is twenty years of just constant migraines or constant pain. And what we have of these conditions a lot of the time where someone will start with ibs this is a pattern I've seen all the time.
Then they go to fibroma allergia, which is another condition that's basically says it's pain from unknown causes, right, whether they have this idiopathic pain. And there's so many of these diseases where the definition is we don't know why, but it's just pain that we don't know in the kidney or the bladder or the lum or whatever. Basically, when we see this pain, when we're trying to lean into and go because it's quite confusing, Now it goes well, is this pain only physical or is it from a
lack of recovery or nutrition? Or is it emotional? The first step is we ask these questions and we go okay. First up, has it been over six months? And is the pain still there? If it is, then that's one little tick where we go, oh, this could be solely emotional. Next is does my pain sort of switched and change sides or change positions if I'm completely present in the moment, does it go away or does some days when I'm calm? Is it up and down? And if we go yeah,
it does? Or there's another tick where we go hmm, this could be again an emotional source of pain. Then we go does it involve it started with one thing and now I'm getting multiple pain, So I've got ibs, and now I've got knee pain, and now I've got migraines, and it's just keeps the adding on in different areas. You know, I didn't fall over at tennis. There was no sort of massive start point, and they just sort of come along. So we now it's getting multiple pains
on top of each other. That again indicates us, this is again our nervous system telling us that it's got a lot of fear inside and that this position or what we're doing is not safe. It's just a little oil light again, trying to get us to listen. Listen, listen, and we're not. And the body's basically trialing some strategies to get you to listen. It goes ah, when I
give you pain, you seem to stop doing something. If I've got a pain in my shoulder, what happens normally is the pain happens, and then the muscles around the shoulder joint will hyper contract to try and basically say don't move that joint. You know it'll happen, and you lower back your ql and your so ass will squeeze down and try and stop you from bending and moving.
It's doing that because it cares it's trying to say you are injuring me, stop moving, and everyone goes, I'm just going to take extra voltare right now and still do my movements right, still going to play stuff that's hurting my shoulder. We obviously need to manage it. We need to listen to that and go, Okay, this movement's stopping me. I don't want to stop forever, but for initial period, I need to listen to that sign. I
need to back off. I need to look and go see someone like a physio or a cara or whatever that manages these muscle imbalances and see whether, hey, maybe my posture rounding over all the time is tighten these front muscles, loosen these back muscles, and now I've got an instability in my joint in my shoulder or my lower backs out because I've been sitting over on the side like this and now one side's tighter. There's so many physical causes. But when we have these hyper pain.
And this is the cool thing to know that function posture doesn't equal pain. If you go into a physio and you show them an MRI, you come over and you've got this massive posture like this, they'll be like Okay, so you've got impingement. We can see that your burs is inflamed, and you've got winging scapula. There's the reason, and it's not always the reason. It is not great, and we'd like to reverse that, but it doesn't equal pain.
But when we correlate that and to the same part, there's been studies that show that I think it's sixty five percent of people without back pain have bulging discs. Just because you've got a bulging disc and we do a scan and you've got a disc and you might have lower back pain at the moment, that's correlation. It doesn't equal why the pain is there. It just says you might have had that bulging disc for twenty years.
We don't know. And also we have people that go through back pain where you know, I've been through back pain before where I couldn't walk for a week and then all of a sudden it's better. Just so happened to happen at a really high stress financial time. But regardless, did my bulging discs stop then now it's probably still bulging. So what is the cause of this pain? Right? It's not always equal to function. That's what we see.
I have a question. I'd love to know your opinion around it, because I one hundred percent believe there is a time and place for certain medications and whatever. But I do think we're living in a society where as soon as there's any type of pain, it's just like straight to the doctors, take this tablet, blah blah blah. Even like basically Panadole and Europe and Voltaire and Excepta and I've taken it. I'm not saying I'm fully against it,
But what's your opinion around all of that? Like how can we always get this message out there that there's always a root cause? And when do you think is the time and place? Like I'm assuming you don't ever take panadoll, what would you do with it? Creasy headache on migraine.
So this is what we want to do is let's say I do an injury right away, There's going to be great inflammation in that area, and our job is if I want to make that recovery period faster, I want to limit the amount of inflammation that's created. I also want to listen in and go, okay, I'm not going to keep moving my body in that area, so straight away I should stop the activity. A lot of times the muscular contraction there, you know, like say, if I pull the humorous up into the arm sock, it
will make it hard to move. So I got to listen to that and say, okay, stop moving my arm like this. Then I want to add ice to it to reduce the inflammation. Then I would also get people on any inflammatories for that first day or two, because we're wanting to minimize the inflammation because however much inflammation is left, the immune system has to go in and eat that inflammation up before it can start to heal. And so there are certain times where medication is brilliant.
And in regards to just a simple headache, if I don't normally get headaches, and I've got a lot on today and I need to be thinking clearly, take panadole, you know, like that may help, and if it does, fantastic, but don't just keeping taking it every day from now on. That's not the cause of your issue. The three number one ways that the research says that we can regulate our emotions and mind and thoughts with our body is breathing deep breathing in the belly using that vagus nerve.
We've got humming or singing, and touch. They're the top three where we're using body up regulation of our body, but movement for me, I think they've either missed that in the research. Jumping makes sense to me as well. Any sort of percussion or movement or anything that gets that out is essential