Thinking Sideways: The Secret of Plum Island

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We'll talk about Jesse in a minute. Yeah, I know, he's an actual hero guy. Oh yeah, he's awesome. So anyway, we're gonna talk about another cool mystery. Uh, we're going to talk about the strange goings on at a super secret government facility. It's on an island off the east coast of the United States. But you didn't know there was something like that, Daddy, Well there is. Have you heard of the Montalk Monster do you haven't? Some people have. Yeah,

he's the best actor ever. Have to look at his face, like, what do you haven't? Uh? And also have you heard of lime disease? And also there's there are some other Montak monsters out there, similar kinds of things that are washed up nearby, and I've seen the pictures of them. And lime disease was first identified in nineteen seventy five.

And Old Lime, Connecticut, Well, the town of Old Lime is eleven miles northwest of a place called Plumb Island, which is a tiny island in the mouth of the Long Island Sound, which puts it basically between Long Island, New York, and the coast of Connecticut. And it's about eighteen miles northwest of Montauk Point, the tip of Long Island, which is where the Montauk Monster was found on the beach. Yeah, and you guys have seen pictures of the Montauk Monster. Right, yeah,

it's like, yeah, it's it's pretty weird looking. Yeah, I will agree. It is not in a good state. Yeah. Now, so people have drawn a connection. I mean, it's it's that close to Montauk Point and there's this weird island over there where the government's doing all kinds of stuff that they won't talk about. Uh. And it doesn't help that Plumb Island is surrounded by guys in boats with guns, like you know, we're talking homeland security guys. They won't let you near the island. You are not allowed to

land on the island. Uh. And and actually the island was indeed a biological warfare research center for a little bit. And that's really true, that's not I'm not not just making that up, um, but that officially, at least that mission was ended in nineteen nine. Unofficially, well, who knows what's going on there. Some people suspect that maybe it's

still continues or something even more nefarious. Uh. Some people suspect that, of course lime disease might have originated there, and and maybe some other things too, like the West Now virus might have originated on that island. It also doesn't help that a few of the strange things have been found nearby, like a human body that was found on the beach, or a body that seemed to be mostly human but was kind of different. That was two

thousand and ten when it was found. Uh, And somebody recently dredged up some photos of another creature that was found in nineteen fifty nine on the island. You've seen those photos, I sue, Yeah, well that doesn't look like a human being. I don't think you have to agree. Maybe a human dog hybrid. So all this prompts a lot of questions, what the hell is going on on Plum Island. Well, okay, first I'm gonna give you a little background about the island. So, yeah, I know, it's

totally sweet. So you all know where Long out of New York is. If you don't, we'll get into get a new Google or something and go take a look at it. This is This is Plumb Island. P l U M. Yeah. Not to be confused with Plumb Island. Yeah no, no, no, that it's just plum like the fruit. Yeah. So, Long Island is a long, skinny thing that's parallel to the coast of Connecticut and Long Island Sound is in between Connecticut and the island and then in the mouth of it on the east end you and you can

find it on Google. Just type in plum Island and maps and it'll take you right there and it'll show you aerials and everything. Although I'm sure they've been dummied up by the government, but you can see there's a bunch of buildings, there's some roads and stuff like that on the on the island, it's eighty acres, it's a it's about what like one point three square miles something

like that. Yeah, it's been home by the FEDS since when it was bought for a construction of Fort Terry, which at the time it was not necessary to protect Long Island Sound from enemy ships that we were at war with Spain at the time. You all remember the Spanish American War. Yeah, like it was yesterday, right, Yeah, yeah, and uh. And so after after I think World War Two, Fort Terry was finally shuttered and then the Army Chemical

Corps took over the island. Then I guess they were going to pursue researching the biological warfare, but then they turned around and decided to give the island to the U. S.

D A. That's the U. S. Department of Agriculture. Well, they had plans and they started to build, but it almost looks like it was really underfunded because they began construction, but then when the U. S. D A took over, they had to take over these buildings and use them as is and I think expand on them or complete some because it wasn't as if the facility was all there and ready from when the you know, the World War Two Organism group was in there. No, I mean

for terry was. I mean they were probably there were some fortifications and probably all the rest of it was just wooden buildings for things like barracks, you know, mess halls and storage rooms and stuff like that. You know, so not exactly research laboratory stuff, right, yeah, really, but they have sense done some building on there and they've got some shiny new buildings and the USDA established the Plumb Island Animal Research or excuse the Animal Disease Center,

most of the research putting mouth disease. You might also have heard of that as cliff and mouth disease, which is a nasty little thing that hits your cows and pigs and stuff like that, and it can be hard on agriculture. Uh yeah, I mean if if you if your animals get it, you have to kill them and like burn their carcasses. They're not the meat is non saleable. Yeah, at that point, it doesn't kill the animal, but it's

non saleable. Yeah. Yeah. It makes them, Yeah, it makes them kind of useless and so yeah, and it can be actually devastating I mean to the animals because you get that and it's like, oh, Herbie, too bad for you. Yeah. But but also some other things besides that, render past and a few other weird diseases like that. Yeah, yeah, number quite a few things they've looked into. Yeah, but mostly foot and mouth. They're looking for things like early detection,

the tools and vaccines. There's I don't think they've ever invented a vaccine for foot and mouth disease. I don't think so, I don't. I don't believe that that's certainly not going to stop them from trying. I mean, probably at this point they're not trying anymore. But back then, well, yeah, we managed to eradicated in the US in ninety nine. But you know, on the other hand, it might come back.

So it pays to be prepared. But yeah, mainly it is footing mouth that they do stuff there, and of course it's on the island because it's against a federal lot of study foot and mouth disease on the US mainland because as well, like I said, we eradicated it, we don't want it back, so it's not legal, and it's it's rather hard for a cow that or pig that's infected to just wander away because it's stuck on

an island. That's exactly the deterred. Yeah, although there has been some talking about closing the island down and moving that, moving the whole research center to the mid Kansas somewhere, and the same thing island middle of Kansas. Yeah, where they gonna go from Kansas. Where I really love about this is that did you look at the site where they were going to put it in Kansas? It's right on if what I looked at is where they're really

looking to do it. It's damn near on the banks of a river that pours straight into a major metropolitan area. And I'm like, oh great, so you're researching diseases and when you have something go wrong and it overflows, it's gonna go right in the river. But things never overflow. Things always go perfectly. If toilets have taught me anything that is not true, too, wouldn't it it would be that's there. They are a great um not it's not

about a four allegory analogy. Okay, yeah, well we'll talk of that later and okay, back to our island history. Usually if you if you read about the history of the island, you also here mention of Eric Trout, who was said, you guys have heard of Eric Troub, right, yeah, supposedly a Nazi I guess he was officially a Nazi Party member, German guy who has been called the godfather

of Plumb Island. Um. And during World War Two, Eric Troub worked for the German government on what's called Rheims Island off the north coast of Germany and the Baltic Sea, and he was doing kind of similar stuff biological warfare, but it was animal oriented kind of stuff. He worked on things like foot in mouth disease and render pest,

just like they do on Plum Island. But of course part of the idea was an offensive use for these diseases, so you could weaponize it and infect your enemies cattle and pigs and stuff with this, and you know, like totally screw up their food supply in time of war, which is actually super effective. Yeah, an army Marxist his stomach right. Well, yeah, we talked about that in what was the potato beating exactly. So this is this has been practiced time and again, I mean thousands of years ago.

It's like you invaded your enemy's territory, you burned his crops. Absolutely, so, yeah, this is old stuff, but you know, modern biological warfare kind of stuff, but old stuff. But Troub Eric Troub was brought to the US under Operation paper Clip, which you probably heard of, where we got a bunch of German scientists have brought him over here after the war before the Russian Russians could get their hands on him.

And he was interviewed extensively about his work on Rehem's Island and supposedly this was maybe the inspiration for the creation of the facility of Plumb Island. Maybe, But contrary to popular legend, Trout never actually worked on Plumb Island. I think he was offered a job there one time. It was she turned down and he was like, no, I'm done. Commute I'm tired of working on islands, or maybe he had a better job offer. I don't now, And we're working on this bomb thing over here. It

sounds much more exciting. Yeah, it was a foot and mouth bomb. Yeah, But as I said that, they did actually work for a little while on biological warfare. But it was kind of like what Eric Trout did on Rehem's Island. It was not human diseases, just made ways to make your enemies cows and pigs. And officially, at least that mission was enter in nineteen sixty nine by

the Nickson administration. They were negotiating the Biological wearsk Business Convention at that time and which became supposed the international law in nineteen seventy two, the Biological Weapons Convention, which banned defensive research in the weaponized stuff. It's kind of an elastic standard. I think you can still research diseases. You just can't. You know. It's sort of nobody knows when when you're crossing the line and taking that research

into that disease to actually unleash it on your enemies. Right. But you know, obviously, if you've got a little warhead that's designed to spread foot and mouth disease. Well, yeah, you stepped over the line. Okay, yeah, yeah. Uh and if you're manufacturing and vast quantity as well, that's kind of stepping over the line too, you gotta you know. So that's that's the biological seems like a pretty yeah, yeah, it is. Uh, well, no, it's fuzzy in a way.

You know, it's just a question of quantity. I mean, how much is too much in terms of quantity? You know, one of a cross that line. Well, you know, it's it's that's that's where it gets a little bit fun. Yeah, but of course that's then the research on Plum Island has strictly officially at least been into animal diseases again put in mouth, et cetera. They've built new buildings, uh, and there are a lot of old are like buildings

also to go back to the original ford. I think there's something like seventy buildings on the island, many of which are kind of fallen down and they just left because it's cheaper to just let them run away. Probably right, Yeah, maybe, I mean, you know, when you're on an island like that, bringing in demo cruise and all that kind of stuff, maybe that does cost a little electra. I mean, it is a potential. It could potentially backfire if you have them hauling away debris in an area where you were

doing testing. Yeah, maybe I don't know, and maybe you've got some bodies buried out there. I don't know, but that's yeah, it could be. But that does help to further the kind of sinister image of the island because a lot of buildings are kind of scary, right when you think about it. I mean, I mean all the scary creepy up never happens in spiffy new concrete. You know,

industrial buildings. There's Chinese skyscrapers. Have you noticed that I have? Yeah? Yeah, never. Yeah, because Satan likes old, krusty, ugly buildings, because Satan is old and crusty. Is that what it is. He's an old, crusty building. I'm pretty sure. Actually. Yeah. So if you're listening Hollywood, you know, so everybody occurved ball in your next horror films, they put it in a shiny office tower. I'm so excited to get like a million emails from

people that are like, what about this movie? Yeah? What about that movie? I can't think we'll learn about it. Yeah, I suppose that was at the die Hard That wasn't a shiny office tower. Okay. Uh. But also you know when you think about old buildings like that that are dere looked at everything are kind of a perfect cover for secret labs, right yeah, yeah, yeah, because who would look under an old rotting warehouse? I would and I

would never think to look there. Yeah, but if you're in the know, you walk in and you pick it with through the garbage and to try this, and there's a wind up passed out in the corner and you sort of roll him over and there's a shiny hatch setting made of stadless steel. Secret lab. Yeah, so yeah, that's it's a it's a perfect cover, and who knows, maybe that's what's going on there. Yeah, Jesse Venturance, I

promise we talked about Jesse a little bit. Yeah. Uh. If you haven't heard of Jess, Yeah, he's the former governor of Minnesota and one of America is leading intellectually and uh had a TV show for a little while called Conspiracy Theory, and he did an episode about this particular island and you guys, I know, watch I set you guys a link. Yeah. Yeah, as much as you could as much as I could tolerate. Yeah, and we will have a link to that episode on a web

page if you want to watch it. Yeah, if you've got forty five minutes in which you'd like to murder your brain, it's that it's not that bad. Oh, come on. But well, of course Jesse mentions the Montak monster, uh, and also another beast that washed ashore not too far west of there. They interviewed this local web journalist whose name was Nick cutting Narrow, and you'll see him if you watch the episode. He saw the original Montark monster

which washed Ashore, I believe in two thousand and eight. Right, he obviously lives lives there. But there was also apparently a second thing that washed ashore which he saw, and they showed some video of this monster, and it's hard to say exactly what it was, but cutting Narrow did say that it had pause, or rather clause, as they said. He said they were actually like chicken claws, which is not something you normally see on fish. It's kind of which is kind of weird. H Yeah, but I've seen

the video of it again. It's just this sort of you can't really tell what the hell it is. Is it like shaky you cain't camera footage? Uh, well it's not. Or is it more because it's a gelatinous blob that's been in the water. Yeah, it's kind of like that, but you know, it's some sort of hideous genetic creation obviously created in the lab. But now seriously, though, it's hard to say. When stuff is in the ocean for a long time, it's a little worse for the wear.

It's yeah, but Nick cut Narrow also investigated a human body that was found on the shore of Plumb Island in January, mean or seven years ago, well almost eight years I guess. Yeah, the body was human, but it had these strangely elongated fingers. Uh. And it also had five holes drilled in the skull. Were they the size of a nine millimeter bullet? I don't know about the size of more, but they but there were five holes. And what some people have suggested would indicate the scientists

or maybe performing brain experiments on this creature. Yeah, it would also wearing shirt and pants, but it had no wallet. And the other way to identify who were what it was, you know, I mean, I guess you know, the driver's licensary New York driver's licenses male female genetic aberration. Yeah, but yeah, I had. There was no identification, obviously, the body has never identified if it was ever even a

fully fledched human being. But this Nick Cutt Narrow guy I want did go down to the local sheriff's office to ask questions about the body, and he said that when he got there they clambed up and wouldn't talk to him about it. Yeah but yeah, apparently he said he talked to them on the phone like the day before. He says, yeah, I want to come down and talk about it, and they said the guy just said yeah, sure, come on down. But then he shows up and it's

just like bam nothing. That's probably their game with reporters is let's just make that guy come all the way down here for nothing. So I guess he's gonna come all the way down here, he's gonna spend half an hour just finding a parking spot, and he's gonna put a bunch of money in the meter, and then he's gonna show up and we're going and then we're gonna

take it him for improper parking when he gets back. Yeah, but anyway, Yeah, so but he thought that was kind of haicky that they wouldn't talk to him about this body. Since Jesse aired his episode, which I think was in two thousand and eleven, somebody also posted a YouTube video I referenced it earlier of a creature that was found on the beach on Plum Island in nineteen fifty nine. And I've seen the video. I assume you guys watched the video too, right, all thirty seconds of it. It's

not a very long video. Yeah, And it looks like maybe as some sort of animal human hybrid. It almost looks to me like the like like the hind quarters, back legs of a dog maybe, but the but the front legs are not dog legs, and they look they have elbows and look almost more human to me. Did either? I know Devon has, but have you, Joe, did you ever play that old video game Altered Beast? You've played Altered Beast? Devon? Oh God, what's wrong with you people?

Video games? It's an old video game. Yeah, but there is one. I think one of the very first beasts you become is this dog hybrid thing, and it's got, you know, a true doghead and the rest of it just a hairy human body. That's what I thought. It looked like you saw you thought it was a human body with a dogheads kind of thing. Yeah, I thought it was kind of the opposite, like a dog, partial dog body with human arms. Maybe I don't know, yeah, but anyway, it looked like a skinny bear to me.

So skinny bear. Okay, Well, well maybe if you're lucky, we'll put a link to this video, you know, you know, on your website and you can look for yourself. But unfortunately nobody's thought like like set a beer can down next to this creature for scale so you can they were creating this film when they were yeah, when they were filming it, you know, because so you can't really tell how big it is. I mean, it could be the size of a twenty pound dog, or it could be the size of a small bear. I mean, I

don't know. It's just you know, it's out of that way with the Montac Monster. Frankly, I mean it's hard. You can't really tell exactly how big that thing is. Oh, there's a there's a scale reference on the fly on it. If you look, there's a horse fly on that thing, so it gives you a sense of scale. Okay, I didn't see the fly. Yeah, yeah, there's a horse fly on its shoulder, just behind its head, and it's it's

almost in perfect profile. But yeah, there's a there's a fly on it, so you can actually use that to gues estimate. It's I still think a beer camp would have worked better, would be the best. Yeah, that'd be good. And the other thing about these carcasses is they disappeared, like the Montak Monster very famously was. It was photographed, but then the carcass was taken away, and it just sort of vanished, you know, and you can't nobody knows

what happened to it. Same thing with this this beast or whatever they found on the on the shores of Plum Island. Same thing with the dead body that they found, and all those taken away by the authorities. I guess animal control, maybe I don't know, and the garbage man, now just kidding. I assume some guys in suits came and grabbed them into them away, but I don't know.

But but the Montak Monster definitely disappeared, and that's one of the reasons that sort of contributes to the mystique of the monster, is that it vantished the way it did. Certainly not getting around and it looks alone. No, obviously, you know somebody took it and wow, why did they dispose of it? Why is it not in the museum? Uh?

And also back to Jesse Ventura, you know, in his episode, which of course you're going to need to watch, you know, it's the security on Plumb Island seems to be unnaturally tight for a research facility. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. Yeah, I think I mentioned that Department of Homeland Security took over the island in two thousand two. You did not,

but not, Okay, now I have. Yeah. Obviously, apparently in the wake of the nine eleven attacks, it was thought, well, Plumber Island, you know, if terrorists invaded and say, set some of that stuff loose, or you know, grabbed a bunch of it and there's you know, just hooked off to the Midwest and infected all of our cat Yeah. I was kind of hoping that it was like because they were like, listen, it was really great to defend against the French or the Spanish during the Spanish American War.

So this this is a good tactical move against terrorists too. Well, yeah, they a little terrorist art modest sales up. This is the first point. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, you know, it does make way more sense for them to be like, listen, we don't want anybody to hear their hands on this stuff. Yeah, but but but but Jesse seemed to think that was a little strange that there was that much security surrounding this island. Jesse thinks a lot of things, He says

a lot of things. Well, yeah, and and in fairness to Jesse, I don't know if he believes all of it or not, but you know, he seemed to feel that it was just like you know, he's he's of course, as he reminds us many many times in this show that he was a former Navy seal and so he knows he knows something about these things. And he thought it was just way too way too much security for

a humble agricultural research you know. Sure, So like I couldn't just like take my boat out there, Okay, could if my boat sank, could I like swim to the island? Probably could? They would probably not take you at gunpoint, and you know, like strip search you and everything like that, you know, and and probably like you know, call the local police and have you taken away where then they'd run a background test check on you have where you

were released. But yeah, they wouldn't kill you, I don't think. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't and they probably wouldn't let you drown. But yeah, you're not. People are not. I heard one story about some guys that were their boats sprang a league and they and the closest islands plumb island, and so they want there and they and they were being yelled at and waved way back by the people on shore, and they actually went ahead and beached on the shore and the guy just came up and said,

get that boat off our island now. We don't care if it's leaking or you're thinking or not, get it out, get it gone now. So they took they left and apparently another boat was passing by and gave him a toe back to shore, so they didn't drown. But apparently they're they're pretty hard core about not letting people on the island. Yeah, but there, of course there are people who work there. There's a ferry that goes out there

every day. It takes all the workers out there, and uh, there's all sorts of security, not security in terms of guns, but interms of disease spreading and security bio security. Yeah, people, of course, you know, I have to show your ID and all that stuff, you know, and it makes sense. I mean, and then you gotta like, you know, go into a room and change out of your street clothes and into lab clothes and stuff. And then when you've done at the end of the day, you have to

shower twice. But I feel like that standard for most research facilities like this, we would take it would be Yeah, so I think you have to take a disinfecting shower and then and then you go off and take another shower, you know, So it's like serious. Yeah, Devins makes a great point. It's this is not unique to Plull my lad well, and if it is, then I would like to talk to somebody because I'd like for it to be standard everywhere, Like if this is overkill, like we

need more overkill places. Yeah, they're actually not even like the highest level of biosecurity there, and I think it goes up to five. I think I thought it was four, but I could be wrong, but that's fine either way. I mean, I think it's their three that Kansas site is going to be a level four, and yeah I thought there was a level five, but it doesn't matter. Well, I mean we only know there's a level four. There's probably a level five, level six, probably a level M seven.

Uh probably Yeah. I just I'm just gonna go on the record and say I would like every kind of bio research facility to have like this should be the minimum. If you're researching something that can infect things, that should be. Then some poor researchers somewhere who works on, you know, making better, plumper, tastier strawberries, They're like, damn you, Devon, I have to take disinfecting showers. Now, that would be funny. I don't want you to accidentally infect my normal strawberries.

I like them. Little thank you. That would that summer. But yeah, I mean it would be funny if if Devin's words were the genesis for a whole new crash program at the government to clap down on everything. Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting the residuals from that. Yeah, you get a lot of hate mail. It's the government. They'd probably be like, here's a million dollars a year for your suggest for your idea. Yeah, that's how they

treat suggestions. Right the US. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, we've gone off. Okay, so yeah we're are oh yeah, back to back to the type security on Pull Island. Yeah. Oh by the way, by the way, if you if you're an animal like like like, if you do have to swim ashore, be sure you don't look like a deer or anything like that, because they will shoot you. That makes sense to me though, yeah it but but yeah, I mean they don't want

it catching any sort of mousease anything else. You're taken back to the shore and so and so, any any crater like that on the island gets shot. There's but birds apparently do not get shot. But they shoot mammals because apparently I guess hoping the mouth is as a putt in mouth is a mammalian disease. I don't think it affects birds. Nose doesn't make the jump. Yeah, and so yeah, so they're not that worried about birds. In fact that they also don't store animals outside. They used

to in the beginning, but animals now. I was actually really kind of impressed with their protocols because the entire building is negatively pressured, so that if a wind, like you know, if there's a crack in a window, it's gonna pull air from the outside rather than push it out when you get into the actual infected section where the animals are actually being infected. That's even at an even higher pressure, so all air is pulled into that

area so it doesn't escape. Now they have Now they have is they have a big fan and ceiling that blows it all straight out the ceiling, a big gas fan. Yeah, I mean, I mean hopefully they've got all I'm hoping that that, you know, they have a really monster sized hep A filter on there and not just some crappy thing they got at home depot, you know, furnace filter or the one that they got at that uranium plant we talked about. It really good ones the bags. Yeah,

I'm assuming that they've got some heavy duty filtration. Sure, it costs at least ten dollars more than that. It's the federal government come on tree anyway. So okay, So we don't think that it's gonna spread diseases or anything like that, Well, we don't know. I mean, some people say that it has spread disease. Again, there's people who

think lime disease originated and on this island. But back to Jesse, they I don't know if you guys made it far enough to see the scene where they try to charter a local boat to take them to the island. Maybe yeah, I don't know. I'm sorry. I was yeah to get on this boat. And then it's and and Jesse said, we wanted to take us to take us to Plumb Island, and the guy says, oh, no, I can't take you there, And so they're like, oh really,

you know why not? Well I'm supposed to take you there, so well, so they want asked and this marina, they asked some other boat operators and they would and they were like, no, I won't take it to Plumb Island. Sorry, I just I'm sorry. This is like I'm going to go on a lot soapbox here for a second, but this is like far and away. My biggest problem with like most conspiracy theories, is that you know, this is

a reasonable thing. This is it's a government run facility with like reasonable security for what they're doing there, and reasonably they've asked all of the boat owners in the marina to not take people there because they're like, it's it's not a civilian access area. It right, I think it's more told than asked. But well, either way, okay, so I think all those things are reasonable. Yeah, j didn't see it that way, right, And so like that's the thing is, then when you come in with that

conspiracy theory, you're like, well, obviously they're hiding something. It's like, no, they're just they're trying to make it so you don't accidentally infect all of our cows. That makes sense to me. Yeah, but they did then, not just the government's not just hide you said, but they struck fear into the local populace.

I mean, these guys are afraid to go there. And of course from their point of view, it's like, well, I have a charter boat operator, and you know, these guys know that I live here, so they know that I know that I'm not supposed to go there. So I can't just like stumble over the island and said, on the bow of your boat, did they see you buzzing them once a week with a bunch of gawking tourists. They knew who you are, your identification numbers right there,

they can very easily find you. Yeah, I just don't I don't think it's very nefarious, but well, yeah, I did look nefarious to Jesse, but a lot of things seem and it's not to him. Well yeah, but it's not just him. I mean, there there are people that are really really worried about what's going on in this island, like what if some killer plague is released? And there have been some accidents. There was one in apparently footing Mouth was released to animals off the island. Don't ask

me how. I haven't heard specifics of it, but apparently there was that. I think that was when they decided to move the animals inside. I would guess I think that was. I think that was at that point. I think they recognized I think that they might have thought that perhaps what happened was it was transmitted by birds, because you know, even though the birds can't catch that, maybe a bird picks up a tick off of off of a critter, you know, and it winds up flying

back to the mainland or something like that. So at that point, but they got it in hand, apparently because I could still buy I could still buy stakes at my local store, so apparently they got it under control. But the animal pans are now indoors um, which makes sense negatively pressured indoor spaces. Yeah, yeah, but of course there are other things like ticks that people think it

might escape from the island. Uh. And it's believed, of course, like I said, that lime disease originated there, and there the U. S. Government has experimented with infecting insects, deliberately infecting that with bugs like cliff and mouth and other things, and then so that they could release some over enemy territory and destroy crops or destroy farm animals or whatever.

And so they're thinking as well, maybe they were messing around with inspecting ticks with lime disease and then they you know, and then some of those somehow got off the island and onto the mainland. And again it's the nearest town. The nearest town Lime, Connecticut winds up being kind of we're going like ground zero for lime disease.

Or are they even doing something more sinister, like radical genetic experiments resulting in like the Montauk monster, resulting in that body with the elongated fingers and the holes in its head. Yeah, is that what's going on? We'll talk about theories. Maybe, well, some people think that more and worse, So yeah, I don't Before we move on the theories any more any more thoughts you guys have any other any other stuff you want to talk about about? Theories, right,

we need to get into some theories then, alright, theories. Well, we've got several theories for what's going on in the island, so okay, we'll start with the least likely first. Uh So, one theory is they are just researching animal diseases. They're telling the truth. Yeah, yeah, which is right, you know, right? And seriously, why would you put your super secret facility to research foot mouth on an island so it doesn't infect anything else? Right, Devin, Right, that's a little see Pat, Yeah,

that's a sorry, making a little too much sense there. Yeah, well okay, but actually, actually no, it would make sense. That does make sense. But they could be up to some other stuff there, so you know, let's talk about what can potentially be up to. I am pro conspiracy.

I think there's a lot of other like weird stuff going on, but I also don't think it's that weird that they would just put their facility researching things that are like super contagious and could totally obliterate agriculture as we know it. Yeah, on an island. So it's secretly safe and the way. Yeah. No, no, yeah, but you know, I mean they could still be shoe hoarding something. They could be doing a lot of other stuff, kinds of

stuff on me. Yeah. One the area people have wondered about this is whether they're genetically engineering something, maybe conducting genetic experience experiments and maybe trying to produce disease resistant animals, and you know, perhaps some of their experiments, you know, one a little wrong and they wind up with things like the Montauk Monster or the guy with the long fingers, that kind of thing. Yeah, So that would that would that would still be in the line with their stated mission,

which is protecting agriculture and lives livestock. You can try to develop vaccines and treatments for footing mouth and all that stuff, or engineer cows and pigs that are just immune to it. Yeah, I'm but I also don't think that's that weird. No, I mean, I guess that wouldn't be that weird. They just didn't and it would. I think it was in China somewhere in Asia. I believe they just genetically modified pigs. You know, if you heard about this. I don't think that the will ever get

them in America. But pigs did not have the gene that allowed them to like self warm or something like that. So that's why they amass all that fat. Somebody just like spliced in a gene and the something. Yeah, I mean, like I think they did it, like with rat gene or something like that, so that they can produce their own body heat. And it's like they're leaner, happier pigs that take less resources to create. Oh so you're talking, Okay, pigs are warm bodied animals, so they can generate their

own heat. What you're getting at is that they're better at retaining they can't regulate their own heat. Yeah, first whatever whatever is going on, listen, I'm literally recalling this from an NPR thing I heard like four weeks ago. I'm just saying that genetically modifying animals to be better is not this like secret thing that has to happen in actually being for a long time, a long long time.

But now that we have the tools that we have, it's a literal Pandora's box because you can say, hey, look, the pigs are leaners, so they're healthier for you to eat. And by the way, it turns out, we accidentally eradicated their natural immunity to X. Yeah, and all pigs are wiped out when because they all ate raspberries or something, you know what I mean. Now, I know it's like, well, and that's why they don't immediately, you know, introduce this

new genetic thing into the general population. I think they let us sort of, you know, cycles yeah, that's probably not probably not a bad idea, but although but also I don't necessarily think that's again it's like not this super nefarious, weird like X file thing happening. But but again, you know, when when you're doing research, you've got to go down all kinds of avenues and paths, and some of them might be a little weirder than others, you know. But you know, but also I don't know if they're

actually doing this. You think it would be easier just to develop a vaccine for this stuff than trying to you know, engineer a cow that for example, they can't catch it. Well. The hard part with the engineering a vaccine, though, is that the disease tends to be a moving target, and and there are there are certain parts of a disease that are easier to target than others. So there's there's really specific things, but those things change. It's kind of like you know, when they do the vaccines for

the flu. Each year, they're hoping to go for some particular aspect of it. They're guessing at what it's going to be present that year, but it changes from year to year because all those kind of things move, and there's some more base items of a virus or things or bacteria that you can attack, but they're much harder to target specifically. That's why things like vaccines sometimes it's just a money making scheme for companies because every year they have to make a new one, which is you

get the conspiracy of they're doing it on purpose. They could totally cured if they wanted to, but why would they throw away all that free money? Well that was a tangent, but but it was good. It was It was very helpful, but good quite just like cancer. They could totally cure cancer, but you know they'd rather like have people die. Oh no, I mean they won't money. That's what it is. Okay, Yeah, where where was I though?

The but and you know, support for this comes from, of course horror stories about you know, like you know, the Montalk monster for example. But that's about it as far as evidence goes for this. Can we talk about what the Montalk monster was? Well, there are there are people, um, there are certain people at this it's and they're kind of out there conspiracy serio types who thinks that it was a raccoon. It was a trash panda, yeah, trash bandah yeah yeah yeah. And when you look at it, it

it does kind of look like one. It's uh, I think it was missing its jaw, like its upper job as to the front of its nose was all warm. Yeah, and and it was of course, his hair was gone. Apparently after you're immersed in seawater for a certain amount of time, your hair does kind of tend to fall out. If you do some looking around, you can find photos of raccoons that have been submerged in that area, and they look almost identical, except they still have the ringtail.

The hair was still on their tail. So it seems pretty clear that it's it's a raccoon, and based on the scale using that fly, probably the right size. Yeah. But raccoons are terrible, terrible little creatures, and so I'm not upset the fact that they're drowning in the they're cute until I encounter them in real life. They're awful. Find them in your neighborhood. They're never cute that kind of right. Yeah, there, it's just little monsters. They are

kind of nasty. I mean, they're cute, I had to say. I like looking at pictures of them when they're cute, not like gross ones. Yeah, and they are actually a little a little sweeter natured when they're just cubs. You know. It's when they get older they get kind of mean, just like people. Yeah, really everything. Yeah fish fish fish are never cute. Yeah, I thought you, But they don't get mean like they definitely do. They attack worms and fishing lures and all kinds of stuff. They're nasty. Yeah.

But anyway, the so, so, what do we got? So the evidence the Montark monster and some of the other stuff that's washed up on shore this presented is evidence doesn't look that conclusive to me because, like I said, the monster was probably a raccoon, in fact, almost certainly

a raccoon. Uh. The other stuff that was unrecognizable, well that's what happens when you're in the water for a couple of weeks or a couple of months, you know, I told you my story again about my friends who came across the body in the Wayhammer River and just left because they didn't think it was a body. Yeah, they just left. Yeah, And so it's definitely at least that's what they told you. Yeah, they probably left the body there. Actually, that's what they meant when they said left. Yeah.

And as for that dude that washed up on the beach in that probably was a mob hit, I'm thinking, I don't think so, you think so. No, they don't usually like experiment on brains or anything like that. They would just like you know, baseball, bat to the knees, whack them, yeah, stick their feet in concrete and just dump them. Okay, well, okay, so not a mob pretty in the back of his head with a gun. Yeah

that could yeah, well yeah that's too Yeah. But so okay, maybe a mob hit or maybe a Devin like devil says, not a mob hit. But but the body did have those weird elongated fingers. But then again, on the other hand, there is this thing called Marfan syndrome. So I don't know if you guys have heard about. Yeah, yeah, so it comes with a little bit of deformation in the body. Including deformed hands with really weirdly long long fingers. Yeah, and so it might have just been some guy with

mar fins. So I I didn't ever like see pictures or anything like that. No, I didn't need of it. So like that's just it's like hearsay to me, you know, like, oh, he had long fingers, like okay, yeah, well no, it's entirely possible, like I said that, it was just it

could have been some sort of genetic anomally. I mean, he made have been a guy with just long fingers, could be too, I mean, but or marphins, like I said, there's some other genetic anomally I mean, actually, genetic anomalies occur naturally a lot to a lot of people, to a lot of people, and so not necessarily because there

was in some sort of Frankenstein experiment going on. But in the other problem I have with this theory too, especially when it comes to the body being evidence, is the body was found on the beach of Plumb Island, So it was not on a beach as if escaping from Plumb Island. Yeah, and so it's like it's so if it was this was the fruit of one of their hideous experiments, and you've got to ask why they turned the body over to the local lease. Why would

they do that. They wouldn't stay with the ninety nine footage. I mean, where did this come from? It was because again the nineteen footage, it's on YouTube. They say that it was found on Plum Island, and so you got to ask, well, okay, so if it was found out Plum Island, these guys go out and say, oh, one of our credits got away again. Good thing, we got it before we got off the island. Why would they take film of him? I mean they know us there's and I want to just like, you know, bag them

up and haul them back to the incinerator. But being is real, No, I had no idea, you know it. I was going to say, because I feel like the video is like if you okay, So, if anybody has you ever used any kind of film animation software, there are preset filters to age things, to give it the lines and the spots. And if you play that thing slow and you watch a spot, you know you can pick like just pick a quadrant. You'll start to see

the same set of lines appearing over and over. There's no randomness to which if it was real old scratched up film, it will be completely random. So that is that is somebody's fun thing that they made and antiqued with some kind of I don't know, I movie filter or something with probably like a dummy from Spirit Halloween, because you know, what it really looks like to me is like a werewolf decoration you would get like at

a Halloween story. You know that. I mean to me, it looks totally like a dog body except for the front legs, right, which is what where will things look like often where they're like, you know, the arms of a human going oh, but like everything else is the dog. Like I really wish everybody could have seen you pantomime.

It was quite funny because we got our TV show. Yeah, um no, I mean I think that's kind of what it looks like to me is like somebody took their like werewolf dummy out like filmed it and then like put a filter on it and was like this from night, especially since it was released after this like other weird mont talk that you know, it's kind of to me

it was that point grab. Yeah, it was put on YouTube and I think, yeah, well, and the problem is is that you know what if it was a real if it was real and it was really somebody out there with a camera checking out this weird thing they had come across, they just circles it. Instead, this came don't walk around it. Yeah, this stays in one place and floats back and forth, almost as if it's someone holding out a cell phone camera and just kind of

shifting back and forth. Knowing that like the zipper goes up the back of the costume media. Yeah, that sort of thing. That well, also, I gotta say that, you know, next time you want to put something like that out there, don't say you found it on the beach on Plum Island. You found you found out on the beach like, you know, just across the shore from Plum Island on Long Island. Hello, Okay, so that all right? So kind of butcher death thing. Yeah,

I gotta I gotta say I I don't think. I don't give a lot of credence to this whole genetic experimentation kind of thing going on in the island. There's just no like I said, I uh, you know, as far as the human body, it was a mob hit. You know, somebody got shot in the head. Okay, sorry, Okay, in deference to Devon, it was an accident, okay, uh okay. Yeah,

so no, no hideous genetic experiments. But maybe they were creating some sort of fast breeding ticks and mosquitoes, or maybe just not trying to breathe the ticks of mosquitoes, but just trying to come up with a breed of tick that would take various diseases without getting infected and dying themselves. That's the whole thing about those. You gotta make sure the bug itself is just going to carry

it and not die from the disease itself. And so maybe they were messing with that stuff, some of those ticks or bugs got out and next thing you know, we got lime disease was not a disease, et cetera. So maybe it didn't actually originate there, but it just got Another possibility is that just got a foothold in the population because there were more ticks to spread it

around from. There's some serious flaws in this, well there are Yeah, what that sounds wrong, and there is actually a theory that's out there, and you know, and on apparently reputable pages that there we have a bigger tick problem today in the US because of government experiments in the nineteen fifties and sixties. In other words, they were doing all this experiment and they were a little careless.

And now we've got more ticks in the US and their guess what, unfortunately, faster breeding ticks and the government. And this is not entirely out of speculation, because the government did do research on all this stuffy because they're using it as a weapon weapon. Yeah, And obviously creating a faster breeding tick, for example, does make sense if you want to drop a bunch of ticks behind enemy lines, and you know, the faster they breathe, the better it is.

As a weapon. You just want to make damn sure they don't get out of your lab and into your own country kind of screw I like maybe putting your lab on an island. Yeah, that's one way to do so it's harder for them to get a place. Yeah. And of course that once you created these fast reading ticks, you know, you infect them with whatever diseases you want to spread and there you go. Again. It's not too far out there. Actually, uh, quite a few everyones have

done research along these lines. And like we talked about earlier, if you can destroy the enemy's food supply. Great idea, what time anyway, especially if like you can do it with ticks or something that might also like get on humans and make them miserable, Like if you've got your troops are also infected with ticks or something like that, like that extra miserable. Not only are you not eating well,

but also you're somehow infested with this thing. And yeah, I don't never had a tick, but you know, I kind of suspect I would like it if I can. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, not a few people that had ticks, Yeah they got rid of at least I hope they did. But apparently, from everything all my research indicates is the research that was done on ticks and infecting these bugs and stuff like that was all done at Fort Dietrich, Maryland. So not Plumb Island. Apparently not.

I I've found no evidence that it was done on Plum Island. That's just what they want you to think. Oh, that's good point to uh for Dietrict is kind of the place. It's kind of the place. Is a much bigger place than Plumb Island. A lot more going on there, I mean a lot of people working there and working on stuff like this and bio warfare kind of stuff. And it's of course, you know, for dietricts, it's possible

some ticks escaped. I think maybe the Internet certainly seems to have a lot of fleas and ticks on its Yeah, so maybe that's where they all came from. And now, if you think about it, if they were it's possible that that maybe some ticks got into the facility on the backs of some cattle and the Plumb Island they came on with the island. Somehow they came on. I don't I don't know how thoroughly they were checked for

that kind of stuff. And the ones they're they're they're on the island and some lab tech goes by, they hop onto the lab tech, hop off in the lab into a patriots, swim around a little bit and infected with this that like lime disease or whatever, hop onto another human and then out the door and make get through the two decontamination showers and change of clothes. Well that would be the tricky part, wouldn't it. Yeah, But yeah,

it's possible. Again, you know, I don't know how Again, line disease, I think as I think they think it's been around. It's about the mid seventies, so back when

they were a little longer than that. Yeah, probably, I mean, I mean there's a lot of disease, like HIV is one of those ones where they they were pretty sure it came it was actually here in America at a certain point, like in the early eighties, late seventies, and now the suddenly realizing, oh wait, we've identified some cases that were earlier than that, so apparently it was around.

But I mean, we just got better at diagnosing things, you know, Like we used to be like, oh, it's you have hysteria, you know, or or whatever, we gotta let all your blood out of your body because it's infected like that. None of those were things, but we thought them for a long time. And now it's like we have this higher instance of you know, anxiety, but like, oh, maybe we just got good at saying it's anxiety not hysteria.

Uh yeah, yeah, you know. Lune disease has been around for a long time, though, I mean, what is it the it's to the three hundred thousand cases of it are identified or diagnosed, a more than two hundred thousand

cases in the US per year, Okay. Now that's because we have a very specific set of criteria to identify it within very good tests to run to Actually, it actually is hard to identify it is, and it's it's got some very distinct things like the ring around the tick bite is a giant indicator, the bull's eye around

the bike. But there is there's stuff out there from historical writings from the late seventeen and the mid eighteen hundreds of people coming to the East coast of the United States and being like, dude, this place is lousy

with ticks. They are literally hanging off of the trees to drop on you, and everybody's getting bid And then they're it's doctors who are treating people reporting symptoms that are pretty much without having you know, the to the degree that we can diagnose things, but it's all visual diagnosis. It's totally totally lime disease. The first diagnosed case with seventeen six, Like, that's crazy, way longer ago than you know.

This is not a new thing, that's what that's what's just so I rolled my eyes at this because it's been around for a long time. I mean, but but the theory is, well, they didn't necessarily create the disease from scratches up, but that they cause the outbreak and lime Connecticut and by by infecting ticks, deliberately infecting ticks and then just letting him escape. Sure, maybe, again, I I don't find that totally persuasive, because I get I don't.

One of the problems I have with this theory is that, well, maybe they were that care less and they let a few ticks go. But the other thing is as a biowarfare agent, lime disease is, it's just not what the one that I would pick Dad. It kind of sucks as a biowarfare is because, yeah, it's going to infect your soldiers and like what a couple of years down the line, they're going to get aches and paints and their joints and you know, and and stuff like that.

Very very few people have immediate and debilitating reactions track lime disease exactly. You know. So I mean by the time that by the time it finally kicks in and affects the enemy soldiers, well maybe the war is already over. Yeah, but it's it's a it's a crappy we're more effective to investigate how to you know, apply athletes foot to your enemy because that's going to take hold faster than Yeah, that one was easy. You just like make them build

trenches and then haven't rained a lot. Yeah that works. Yeah, they figured that one out a long time. Yeah. So that's so so much for lime disease. I guess I just think that. Yeah, okay, okay, so they didn't originate

lime disease, the lime disease out break. Maybe they're still pursuing bio warfare though, because I mean, even though we've officially given up on biological weapons, there is such things keeping your options open, right, Yeah, I mean yeah, uh so our official policy today is that we will deter biological attack with the nuclear response, which is great, but you know, what if a future commander achieved just doesn't quite have the moxie to drop a nuke or two,

or what if an enemy launches a biottack on our troops but it's not something like like massive deadly anthrax, but something like the flu or something like that, So to where we we know that they bio attacked our troops, but they didn't give something that's totally deadly like anthrax.

And that's the problem with the nuclear deterrent is that well, it's an it's an on off switch kind of things, and either or it's like having as having a sledgehammer when you're dealing with a mosquito or two, and so having some bio weapons laying around for just in case, whether you're not a a treated it's not really such a bad idea. Yeah, as a return if nothing else. Again, research is not entirely prohibited by the Biological Weapons Convention

of nineteen seventy two. You can still do some research. Well, so it's not inconceivable that they're looking into this kind of stuff on the island. Again, covert kind of thing. If it's something you don't really want to advertise, I mean, you can hide it inside another program, which is what people you know, what's the government likes to do. Yeah, I'm also not convinced that doing research into biowarfare necessarily

has to be as an offensive. You know. It seems possible that the US government, thinking well, hey, maybe somebody's going to attack us with anthrax, could do a bunch of research into Hey, is there any way to you know, nullify this is I'm totally pouring this out of my research.

But if they're a way to like nullify the reaction to anthrax, or is there some sort of treatment that we can give people for certain different biological attacks, And you know, it's not necessarily like prudent, and definitely you probably don't really want to like tell your enemies like, oh yeah, hey, don't worry, We've got the treatment for all these things now. But that would be continuing research into a sort of biowarfare thing that's not necessarily nefarious

in nature. But also you probably would want to keep secret. It seems like that would be a thing, right, am I crazy? Doesn't it think like you would want to figure out a way to protect your citizens? No? You do, you do? You do? And you want to like it's

a backup. Yeah, it's a backup plan, and you probably want to keep it a little bit secret because if you've identified like, so, okay, we found we found a factor of treatments for vaccine any bowla and berry berry and disco music, and so we got and and and so you let your enemy know that, and then and the enemy of course it is like, okay, well we're not going to bother with those things. So you don't want to keep that a little bit a little bit

hush us. I mean it seems similar to me, like that Carat campaign, when you know the US was, oh, yeah, we have actually we have radar now right, but they were like, oh, actually are carrots and it it gets it makes your eyes fight better, and that's what our troops are doing. That's how they're able to find you guys. We don't have this new technology, right. I mean, it's a kind of you would just I don't know what, I don't know, it just makes sense. But also probably yeah,

like it's the US, so I'm not gonna put put anything. Yeah, I'm not going to put it past them. To be well, you should put anything past any government, any human and frankly and frankly, which is why I'm curious about that chemistry set down in your basement. You should be worried about more than that. But yeah, not just the US, but I think any goavernment there, it's actually kind of their job go to represent their country's interests. So they're

not about the touchy feely stuff. They're about, you know, playing hardball, you know, when it comes to things like national security. That's kind of what they gotta do. I mean, that's their job. But I think that it. Well, go ahead, I was just gonna say with along with this theory though,

with the whole bio weapon theory. People are using this theory, as you know, their writer for the whole thing with West Nile virus, and the allegations seemed to go from they created West Nile virus to they're spreading West Nile virus in the United States to observe it, which I mean, again,

it's the same thing. It doesn't make sense. West Nile virus was first identified in the late thirties, and there's actually a very obvious infection trail through time of it moving from I think, oh god, I forgot where it was first identified, but probably so, I don't remember exactly where, but it was. You know, you can follow the trail as it goes from one country to the next and makes its way along. So I mean, this this this theory.

People grab whatever is their current scary bug and seemed to say, well, obviously Plumb Island was working on that, but never I mean, if you just stop and look at the history, it's been around, it's been around, it doesn't make any sense. Well, yeah, the whole idea too that you know what you know, we're gonna like release it in America so they can like, you know, see what's what's going to happen. It's like, well why not why not release it in a foreign country like say Nevada?

You know, I mean, I mean why you know, why America just kidding Nevada? Well, why not a foreign country? I mean, you know, And because and any of this, say, oh you've got an outbreak of a disease, that's okay, we'll send our best people in there to help out. And you could totally observe somewhere else and and kill all somebody else's citizens, and you know, and so it doesn't make sense to deliberately release it in the US. And you know, I don't know how it got in fact,

you know, and mosquitoes got infected with it accidentally. It's it's not that hard to keep mosquitoes out of your lab. You know, they can't just fly in the door. You can always put fly strips up. I guess the mosquitoes they fly to that, or you gotta put up those attracted to it. You gotta put accident, you gotta put those little little electric things out that they fly in the blue lights. Yeah, yeah, that'll do the trick. My other thing is if you can have a super secret

biowarfare project, I don't think plumb Island is the best choice. Everybody. Everybody thinks, well, it's an island, it's so isolated secret. But the thing about islands is they're actually pretty easy to keep an eye on and spy on and stuff like that. There's only one way out and off the island for all the people who work there. That's the ferry, which means it's easier to keep tabs on who's who's

coming and going. Plus we know of the Chinese. Yeah, we already know that the research facilities actually underneath d i A. So yeah, Denver International Air problem. Yeah yeah. The other problem with an island is that they're subject to weather, and you know, big storms and hurricanes come through. Yeah. Oh well, look all of your research just got spread across the Eastern seaboard. Let's see what it does to them that Wellies facilities are obviously underground, obviously a mile yeah,

half a mile underground of course. Yeah. But that's how they're getting people to in front the facility without the Russian seeing them, is they have that underground elevator that they're all taking. You're right, the ferry is actually red herring. Yeah, that's probably what it is. Yeah, it's just it's just

like filled with inflatable dummies. But now I think a better way to do is to bury your secret labit side a really huge military base with a lot of people coming and go on espetially people who have degrees and like you know, biology and all kinds of international

airport stuff. Now I'm thinking Port Dietrich, Maryland. Actually, yeah, that's that's a pretty huge place, and you could you could totally bury your project inside that a lot easier you can hide it on an island that So I'm kind of liking after the bio warfare, So we're coming up to our last series, which is the true purpose of Palm Island. Doesn't mean they're not actually doing some animal disease research, but that's not really the reason for

their existence. And I think what it is is all that's a cover, and I think the actual purpose is containment of the Kennedy family. Yeah, plus Disney. Disney is there too, right, Oh yeah, he's there too, I'm pretty sure. Well, yeah,

I'm confident he's wherever the kidneys Kennedys. You know, yeah, I but but you know, if you're where the Kennedys are rich and uh and and they like you've all seen those pictures of JFK and RFK and Teddy and all the whole families sailing on Long Island sound right, Yeah,

because rich people do. Yeah, exactly. They have mansions out there and they like to sail the sound, and naturally, uh, you know, the government is concerned that they might escape the sound and reak havoc on the shipping lanes, which would devastate our economies. That's why. That's why they're doing it. Yeah. So they're actually there to They're not there to keep something out. They're there to keep something yeah, don't don't. Yeah. So okay, there it is the real purpose of Palm Island.

And again it doesn't mean they're not you know, like piggyback on top of the doing a little research on top. But it's just Kennedy's once again. Okay, well that's about it for my series. You guys have any series. I like the very first one, which is that it's exactly what it says, researching animal diseases that could be it, that's what they said on the web page. Uh. Yeah, although you know, the best thing that I found in researching this entire episode was a comic strip, and I

cannot remember who it is. It's a it's a very famous illustrator, always kind of squiggly lined characters, and it's the doctor walking into a patient saying, well, it's obvious that you have hoof and mouth disease, and he's got a horse standing in front of him and mouth. Yeah. Someday I'll tell you all about the amusing cartoons my doctor's got on a wall in his office. I don't want to. Let's let's keep you going. Not the proctologist, not him. Okay, Well anyway, Uh, that concludes our episode

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was podcast dot com. And don't forget the episode list is up. Oh yeah, the episode list. Yeah, click on that in the right and it gives you the complete episode list, so you don't have to go through the main page, page after page, page page to find the episode you're looking for a lot faster way to go. Well, that's about it. Then again, plumbers, send us an email. We'll hear from you, but not not the pipe kind. No, not the pipe kind. We're talking about the deadly disease kind.

You want to hear from you, guys? Okay, so until next week. I guess it's by guys. I don't have anything. I'm sorry. Oh my, he begs empty. So I wasn't paying attention, but of course it would