Thinking Sideways: The Baltic Sea Anomaly

about something some of you may have heard about. It's called the Baltic Sea anomaly. So here's what happened in the real brief overview. There's a team of Swedish divers who called themselves the Ocean X Team, and they go they got looking for a ship actually the Baltic Sea and other places, most of the Baltics Sea because that's right next to Sweden, so that's a handy place. Um. And so they find ship Rex and they salvage whatever

valuables he can get. They specialize, they say, in in salvaging old alcoholic beverages, beverage containers and things like that. And they found like, what was it champagne or something? Yeah, yeah, creates and creates of bottles of this old champagne. It's worth all kinds of money. That's crazy, because at that point it's not good anymore. Right, I have no idea. Probably how does it stay good when it's like super pressurized under water but it's cold, that's true. Yeah, you know,

I assume the bottles bottles stiff and and heavy and everything. Yes, so I don't think the pressure would would really do a minute, but the end of the time would maybe maybe make it not taste so great. I don't think the champagne you don't really want to age that long, right, I do not know. I do not know either. Listeners action tell us, it looks like we've got another unsolved

mystery on our hands. Yeah so that's yeah. Okay, So anyway, I don't know, and I don't know if people buy those things to drink them or if they buy them just to have them. I don't know. Yeah, I just say I get this really old bottle shipood, I don't know. Okay. So anyways, so they were they were out there scraunging around for shipwrecks, and they found what appeared to be a flying saucer, a really huge flying saucer on the floor of the Baltic Sea. Well, yeah, I mean a

lot of people it's it's just an anomaly. It's this big object that such about two feet across, and it's round and flat and pretty circular, and so naturally when we're you know, it was it was a little bit of a mystery to these guys. And when we'd got out, of course, the usual UFO types stuck. Well, flying saucer crashed eons ago. It's been laid down there ever since. Yeah,

so flying saucer. It's rounded, flat, as I said, two diameter, about ten to thirteen feet thick, and it's resting on a stone pillar that's about tall, and the pillar is almost as big around as the saucer itself. There's just some overhanging the edges. Yeah, so it's kind of an interesting looking it's kind of kind of like a really

squat mushroom. On the top of the artifact of the anomaly, there's a dome shaped piece that looks and I haven't seen a complete picture of it because obviously lighting down at those depths it's kind of hard. But you see it's called the meringue, and it looks like it looks very very almost perfectly dome like and round like. It's about four meters across. It looks like a mushroom almost. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh So they also spotted up what they say is a perfectly circular hole about a foot across, and you know, I've seen pictures of it. I can't tell if it's perfectly circular or not, but they say it is. Uh yeah, Well, and again I think this is this is something we should probably just carry out for everything. Is that the images that we've got a bad well, they're the quality. It's either that their photographs or their video and their low grade video, or it's sonar, and you know, the

sonar doesn't seem to be the highest caliber technology. So it makes it really tough to tell what you're going looking at. Because when I saw the photos, I would of the that hole you're talking about. Yeah, I had never thought that thing was a foot across. I thought it was a couple of inches across. It's really hard to get a sense of the scale. Yeah, they put across. I don't know why they didn't just swim over there and so many stick his arm down there and see

what's down there? Well, how how deep. Is this about two down? But that too deep for a person to dive? I'm not sure at what point it's not too deep for people go deeper than that all the time. But yeah, at a certain point I think you need to get and I don't know a lot about scuba, but at a certain point you need to do things like saturation diving and stuff like that so you don't get the bends. Yeah, okay, because I was wondering why they didn't just send somebody

down there. Yeah. The and I think when you get to that kind of depth that is fairly deep, you probably are pretty limited for your time on the bottom because you've got to go all the way down, and the longer you stay down than the slower your ascantastic be. So you won't get the bands and so and so if you want to, like unless you want to maybe take an extra air tank or something like that. Maybe people do it, but I don't think that these are

the kind of people who do it, right. Yeah, yeah, so maybe they can call in the U. S. Navy. The U. S. Navy does all can they have people that do all kinds of stuff like that, So then they should call them the U. S. Navy and the investigating they probably have. Yeah, let those guys deal with it. Yeah, so what else besides the perfect perfect circle, they found another allegedly round hole about two ms wide. And what's interesting about this is it's in the bottom of a

square depression. It's a square box like depression in the anomaly. And in the middle of that box side depression there's just perfectly round circle, which is kind of interesting. And how far is that in in the anomaly or is this the second one? Now this is in a novel. Yeah, and let's see. They also claimed that there is a perfectly round hole. Again they're always perfectly round and uh in the side of the object about two feet wide, so that I imagine that's probably a drain pipe or

some sort probably the Yeah. Yeah, they did find another object not too far away, and that object on sonar came up looking kind of like a cathedral window. But I found an interview with one of the guys. It was that Peter Lindbergh is one of the guys that is ocean X and he said that when they went over to investigate it, it it just turned out to be a bunch of boulders. Nothing so nothing special's claiming that

something special. Yeah, now, okay, well that adds a little validity, little credibility, right And you although you know it could be a calculated move, but if you are willing to say, yeah, we originally thought it looked like a window, but we went over and it was just rocks, probably you're not at least consciously lying about I think the point you're getting at is, as we have talked about before we started recording, is that a lot of the story, not

necessarily by the guys who found it, but it's been very sensationalized. Yeah, not necessarily, not necessarily by these guys exactly. And he actually is that that same interview he said that he's he's sure it's going to turn out to just be rocks, just be a big rock formation. He says he's not a believer in UFOs, you know, And he says but he at the same time I think he is. They are milking it for a little bit of publicity, you know, I would, Yeah, I don't blame

him right now. It cracks me up because one of the things that I remember reading interview is saying, well, we need to get funding to go do more research on at which point he was imploring people to go to their website and by Ocean Team, Ocean X or Ocean Next Team, whichever the name is, by gear yea, by their gear, their shirts and their jackets, their hoodies, and I really you're milking up a little bit, a little bit, you know. I didn't even check the pricing

on those. Maybe maybe maybe I'll buy a hoodie or something like that. Yea. By the way, folks, uh, when you're done listening to us, don't forget to check out

our gift shop we've got on your way out. Yeah, okay, So anyway, another interesting interesting thing is that they found again as it's not something you're gonna be able to see through scuba diving, but apparently the sonar side scanning equipment that you showed that there was kind of a stretch of ocean or not ocean, but the sea bottom there that's kind of almost gouged out, like it's about a thousand feet long. They call it the runway. Oh I heard I heard a less awesome term. It was

called the skid mark. This skid mark perfect. Yeah that works. Uh, I'm pretty sure I didn't just didn't come rocketing down plunged through the water and skid to a stop on the bottom. But maybe it did. So there's the runway, um, and it's how how big is the runway? It's about a thousand feet long and about as wide as the anomaly is. Okay, so it's pretty big. Then, yeah, it's pretty big. Yeah, Okay, So there's some silts on the object. When they when they they're divers scraped away the silt,

they said that there was black material underneath, so stranger still. Anyway, they didn't have a lot of time that first time, so they they've gone back since, Like I think that, to my knowledge, they have been back four times. That's what I see. And they recover some rock fragments. I

don't know that. And this this is again something that's a little bit unclear, is that did they actually get down there and chip these things off of the anomaly itself or were they just loose rocks laying on the anomaly. They don't really say. I got the impression that at

least some of them were picked up from around it. Yeah, I don't know that they tried to break and I don't know that they could necessarily break something off of it easily because osing an r O V, which those things aren't strong and have a lot of torsion to take a big chunk of rock. Yeah, but you do run the risk if you're just picking up stuff like around it, that it's not going to be the same material.

That's actually an issue. Yeah yeah, Well go ahead, and what do you have any of the analysis of what the stuff that they picked up was or yeah, they had it. They had an analyzed by some scientists who said that it contained lamanite and gothite. And that adds some fuel to the fire because the guy who did the analysis said that these are these are not found in nature, and these they would point towards modern construction and that aliens or aliens too. Yeah, absolutely so, more

than modern constructions, super futuristic instruction. So here's the other thing. One of the rocks that they picked up was volcanic. Yeah, and there wasn't there hasn't been volcanic activity there in eons. So that was another weird thing, wiser chunk of volcanic rocks sitting here. Yeah. Well, actually there was an explanation for that too. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm sure you're gonna

get to glacial glacial activity. Yeah, so apparently that used to be home to a glacier, the Baltic Sea, which apparently glaciers pick up rocks and carry them a long way and eventually when they melt, they you know, drop those rocks. Glaciers are hoarders, they kick stuff up. Oh no, it's true. They're they're all over. There's all kinds of facts and accounts of rocks that are completely out of place.

It's you've seen those weird standing rock formations, like how did that rock get on top of the other one? And they say that a lot and these are like the big ones that you see at some of the national parks and around our country. Is they say that a lot of those were part of a glacier and they were in different strata of it and as it melted, they just settled on top of each other. And you're telling me, is that Stonehenge was a glacial formation? Yeah?

Actually that was. That was about a dozen glacial formations. They all came and butted heads and just were stuck, you know, and then they melted. Yeah goodness. Okay, So anyway, um, but some other geologists have since said that it's actually not unusual to find those things in nature at all. That again, we're talking about lemonite and go site. I hope I'm pronouncing those correctly. Uh. Some of them said that nodules no goite. I think it's go Thie or

Goethe or something like. Okay, I don't know, too lazy to go out in the weabon, but do so. But other geologists has said that these can be These are actually found in nodules on the seabed, and so it's not it's not really anything out of the ordinary. So so much for that. They another thing the team has said has said, as they said that they're electronic devices, stop working like they have they have a satellite phone that when they're right over the object they it doesn't work.

They have to back away from a couple of hundred feet, didn't They say they had issues with their lights as well when they were on top the lights and camera why the pictures were gross. Not necessarily, but that's why they can't get good pictures because their camera wouldn't work. Yeah, I've heard I've read accounts where they were saying that there's a lot of their equipment was attempting to malfunction

on them until they got away from it. Well, I mean, like the unit they were in didn't just plot to the plummet to the bottom and quit working. It was you had to get away from it. In the sub you were saying there was problems, Yeah, which I don't know if that's just faulty equipment. Could just be faulty equipment. I mean, let's face it, you're at sea, sea water salt.

It's not good for under the ocean. Yeah. Yeah, Well, they have been able to produce some sonar imaging of the object and we can post some of that on our website for our listeners to go check out. Check out. It's hard to tell what's going on, but kind of worth the watch. Yeah, and uh, they they've paired up with a Swedish film crew and they're supposedly we're going to make a documentary. And I have not been able to actually find any evidence that the Doctor the documentary

ever actually came about. I read a news story that had been aired on Estonian TV. So anyway, apparently I looked around for any copies on the internet. There were, and somebody had posted one on YouTube, but it had been taken down because of copyright of course. Yeah, so that was it was not able to find one of those. As far as their sonar imaging goes, that has been

critiqued by some experts. A guy I think Wood's whole Institute pointed looked at it and pointed out that number one, side scanning sonar is not really the best way to image things on the bottom of the ocean. You can find stuff, but you're not exactly getting a real picture of it. And he said that looking at that, it looked like they hadn't calibrated it properly and looked like

it was kind of a little quality equipment. There are a lot of echoes and other artifacts in it, and so when you see things that look like straight lines and stuff like that, now it's probably just an artifact of your electronics and not not not it's not necessarily doesn't show mean this thing was man made. It's just

something introduced by your by your equipment. Didn't They say that the same thing about some of the dark areas that are shown on on those side scans, Because this is this is what raged around the internet at first is oh, it looks like the millennium fat It kind of does, but then it's got these weird dark lines across the top and you can't tell what's going on, which you know, it makes it look like maybe those

are deep cracks or something. And he was saying that that's also not the same issue because they're kind of straight, but they shouldn't be dark like that. So I'm not and I'm not really an expert on side scanning sonar. I don't know exactly how it works, and I'm kind of assuming that it takes slices of a picture, so what you're seeing and that is probably a reconstruction of

a lot of a lot of blips. I read that the side scanning sonar is not just one, but it's two that are then fed in to a computer that then assembles. It's not calibrated exactly, so they should both be, let's say, pointing exactly straight down, but they're off kilter a little bit towards her away or probably towards each other, which is what's causing the echoes, because the front one is picking up stuff from what the rear ones throwing

and vice versa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that this is probably not the highest quality center, because you know, even Peter Lindbergh themselves said that they were having trouble with their stabilization of the gear, and there's there's those things they're supposed to have stay like like gyros or whatever, and they keep them pointed in the proper direction, and apparently there's either was non existent or

not working that well. So so and so, you know, as far as looking at this same thing and saying, wow, that's a picture of it, well not really. It's kind of like looking at ultrasound. I mean, I've looked at people's ultrasounds of their unborn children, and they're gonna look at this, and I look at it, I'm like, I can't see anything, or like I can kind of see the curve ahead. That also could just be like who knows what, you know, like could be some undigested food,

you know, you know it's yeah, I don't have a clue. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of the way side's getting sonar is just that doesn't really give you a clear picture. So anyway, the the imaging has been severely critiqued and and it's been said to not really be accurately reliable as far as telling us what's down there. Anyway. I meanwhile, you know, I'm not really sure if they've actually acquired just an up at ocean access, like I was talking about acquiring

a tour submarine, because you can buy those things. You know that they're the ones that are they have all the big domes, glass domes and signs in the front, so and so people can buy tickets and ride in this thing and look at the domes and they can take them to view the anomaly. And they have pictures of the submarine on their website and they have pictures of them in it. But I didn't know if they actually were just checking it out. I was wondering, Yeah, did you guys buy this or you just at the

at the carl A sublot. So I guess one of my biggest questions about this whole thing is like, why haven't other people gone and checked it out? You know, people with better equipment. There are a lot of people right who are really interested in deep sea anomalies like this, who have really good equipment and go and explore a lot of deep sea things. So like, why haven't any

of those taken interest in this? And like Jacques Cousto, But I mean, you know, that's I guess that's like a big question mark in my head is like, I think just these guys. Yeah, I think these guys are keeping it and they're keeping the exact locations secret. Yeah so yeah, yeah they haven't. They haven't disclosed where it's at yet. Yeah, it's somewhere between Finland and Sweden. That's

not super helpful. Yeah, so guess yeah, it's just a detriment to them, right because if they could get other people in here to like explore it, they could have access to better equipment. Yeah, it could understand what's actually going on down there. But their salvage operators, so they they practice the art of mom's the word until I can guarantee I know what it is and then hauling

up or make some money. Yeah. So yeah, they're not gonna like you, but yeah, I would think they could at least find some investors or find a partner somebody that somebody with more money and better equipment. That would you know, there are a lot of people out there. Yeahbody's gotta be Yeah. Gates just asked him for some money. Absolutely my email he's given her away all the time. Yeah, yeah he does. I know. I've sent him like thousands

of emails demanding money. All I got was a season desist or okay, but anyway, so the this, so this kind of activity in their part has caused some people to suspect their motives and this whole thing. And they and they're benefiting from keeping this thing as mysterious as possible. So because they're making money off they're probably I don't know how much money they're selling on their have a stuff they're selling on their website, but I imagine they're

selling some stuff. And if they can actually go a bunch of wealthy people into buying tickets for the little submarine tour to go see the anomaly, and that'll be

a nice little money maker for him. And obviously the best thing for them has gotten them simple this publicity and so nobody ever heard of them before, and now apparently they say that they have been they have actually signed some sort of a deal with some Panamanian Indians who have exclusive rights to this area off the Panamanian coast.

Their ship there, yeah, and their shipwrecks out there apparently like from you know, chips coming from South America and curbing ownds whatever you know, and obviously loaded with lots of gold and stuff like that. So there's probably all. Yeah. So you know, if they if that actually is true and if that pans out for those guys, and that could that could make them lots of money. And maybe at that point they'll just say, Okay, here's what the

anomaly is. We don't care anymore. Yeah, here's the latitude and longitude. Yeah. So anyway, other people that have put towards some other theory. I mean, we've got we talked about the UFO theory that are out there so far, there's about four of them. One is that, of course it's the UFO. Another another theory is that it's a turret from an old battleship. And I don't know that any turret was ever made that was that big, so I don't I don't really shape. Yeah, I was going

to say the shape is wrong to me to be turret. Yeah, plus would have bigger holes in it. Yeah. This is a guy from Discover magazine to put this particular theory on me. Do you mean that it's like a two hundred feet wide turret, right, it's a two hundred diameter turret. Yeah. Oh so that it's like, uh, the gun turret, you know, the gun turret that right? Yeah? No, I I understand that.

I just okay, yeah, I hadn't think okay, yeah, you know, I didn't have time to go out and check Jane's fighting ships to see, like you know what, like World War One Arab battleships were sunck in the Baltic But those turrets actually on old battleships like that, they're not

really anchored. They just gravity hold them in place, so they if a ship sank and it turned over tumblipped, then I think that turret could indeed fall off of it and come to rest on the on on the floor of the sea there, but there'd be a nice big shipwreck very close by. Y yeah, yeah, so yeah, so you would think that it would have started to rust pre severely after that much time. Yeah so yeah.

I'm not really buying the whole turret theory myself, but we'll see after they after they finished to get back out there with a whole lot of money and cool gears. Another uh, an ex Swedish sailor somebody that used to be with the Swedish Navy apparently put forth another theory, which is that is the base of a World War two era Nazi anti submarine warfare structure or device, and I kind of like that theory. Actually I didn't get this,

I didn't need it. Well, you know. So the idea is is that they would build of this concrete and steel structure and it would have wire mesh, and somehow the wire mesh in this it's a it's a little vague. The scriptures ever, with the wire mesh would would spook submarine's radar systems and cause it to lose its variance and crash. And that confuses me. I don't know what the guy is talking about, because submarines don't you generally

use radar. When I read it, When I was reading this theory, what I got from it was remember how we talked about they said that they had issues with their equipment when they were near it. Yeah, exactly. And what I understood it to be was more of it was throwing out some kind of field. I don't know what kind of field that would be that was gonna

mess with it. Not just mess up at sonar and and tell it it's at the wrong depth of or angle, but more it would really screw everything up and then kind of like their sat phone, things would just stop working and then they would sink to the bottom and be done. It couldn't matter that it could mess with sonar and some way that it would send back kind

of like blips are like anomalous blips or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, the you know, the problem I've had with this is what I've been reading accounts by journalists who obviously don't know anything about the submarine submarine warfare, and the description of exactly how this messed with the submarines is still kind of beyond me because it interferes with their radar, while submarines still generally use active radar because it gives

away their position. Uh yeah, this on a previous joke. Yeah, so you know, yeah, yes, they're coof Also, the Nazis were pretty scrupulous about keeping records and and there would be something in the history books about this if they had built some enormous structure at the bottom of the Baltic Sea, I mean we would know, we would know about it. But Joe, we don't know about I mean, they didn't keep records about the fact that they are now living in the center of the earth. The Nazis

are Oh yeah, that's a good point. They're in the middle of the Earth. The lizard people. Yeah, they are well, because you know the earth is hollow. Yeah, they were pretty careful and their way off the door to destroy stuff like that that would give away their position. Yeah. But you know, so as far as the Baltics Sea anomaly, I don't think they would have cared about that. That's when there they want. They're wanting to grab all their valuables and just head down and join the what people

are they? The lizard people? Yeah? Okay, yeah, so parties throw a wicked, heinous Yeah, okay. So I would have to say that unless there's some some some major disclosure, some story and comes across some evidence of them building something like this two feet down in the Baltic Sea, I have to say that this is not a credible theory. Well, I guess the Yeah. The other thing that comes upright is how did they build it that deep? Right? Would They probably would have built it on land and then

and then take it out there and draw. Yeah, that's the only thing I can think of it because they wouldn't been able to. Yeah, and it's conceivable that they could have done something like that. That That would be a major project. I mean, like, how would you float something that huge and heavy out to the middle of the Baltic Sea and drop it. Yeah, that's a little weird. And I swear I read something when in an accounting that was saying that this was similar to I think

it was on this story. I've been reading a lot of stuff lately, but something about the Brits were doing something similar to to mess with U boats around England, and so they would put things out there and they would mess with them, but their ships, of course knew the proper path to get through, but it was a deterrence.

It was almost like, uh, gosh, I can't think of the Star Wars is the only thing I can think of, Like the Star Wars program that we were going to do in the eighties with Reagan, something like that, whereas a bunch of beams of something in the ocean, but it somehow messed them up. But I couldn't find a core lay shouldn't and make it sync up, so I didn't.

I couldn't follow it. How big a problem were submarines in the Baltic Sea or you know, I mean, like worth that kind of investment to like maybe kind of mess with them. Yeah, maybe, because I mean the Soviets they have a Baltic sea fleet. Yeah, and so yeah, and so they they would have been sending submarines to the Baltic all the time. So yeah, so it might have been worth their investment. But it just seems like kind of I had no idea how this supposed thing

was supposed to work. Usually anti submarine defenses tend to tend to be more like things like nets and cables and stuff like that. Maybe it was supposed to be like a net would be there and then the submarine would be coming along and would trigger something, and they would let the net up and the trigger and the summarine and be like, oh no, but it's too lush, and then they would like pull the net back in and it would be like released for the next one.

But I like it. So when if they cracked the thing up and what they're going to find is a whole bunch of Soviet subs in their rusting Soviet I like it. This sounds very much like every bad movie I've watched where they're running along and then the nets scoops them up. That's what that's akin to to me. It was the Nazis, and they did some crazy Yeah, they they had some ideas that were really bad. They had very unique ideas. I will so you have accepted

that they are living underneath us. Oh yeah, Oh no, because I don't believe in the lizard people, so therefore they can't be living with lizards. Certainly there it's just hollow. We all know this. But uh, and I said, you had another theory, which is that this is the drain plug of the world. I mean, and so if we pop that that, we're just draining the oceans and we'll have so much more land to work with. Okay, I made that one up. No, I'm actually somebody actually said that. Yeah,

I'm yeah, it could be the drain plug. I guess what they needed. Yeah, if they go back and look there's it's probably a little chain attached to the center of that thing and they just need to pull on that. Favorite theories so far. Okay, so let's let's cut down the theories one more time. Okay, we've got UFO, the anti submarine warfare structure or slash device, the turret from an old battleship, rock outcropping train plug of the world

says five theories, which what are you guys voting for? Devon? I like drain plug of the world, okay, yeah, or Nazi like Venus fly trap net situation okay, Okay. Personally, I think that I'm going more with the rock outcropping, just because it was known that there's We do know that there was big honking glaciers in that area a long long time ago and drag They were known to

drag stones around, which to me would explain the runway. Yeah, is if if it is on the bottom of of a glacier and it's being drug along with the glacier until it finally breaks free and it's really burrowed its way in there, that would make sense to me maybe, yeah,

something like that. It's possibility, and that you know, if it was being drug along, it was probably being drug along for a really really long time, right, so that would kind of explain its round shape that had been worn into, and then the glacier would have been scraping across the top of it once it let go of it, so that might explain part of its dome shape. I mean, this is me spitball in here, but that's the only thing that I can come up with. It makes sense, yeah, yeah, fact. Yeah.

The fact is is that you know nature produces all sorts of interesting objects all the time. That seemed incredible, But you know it's totally nature. Yeah, it's totally nature. It's just rand. I'm kind of between rock out cropping and train plug. Yeah, but I'm gonna have to flip a coin here and flip think. Yeah, that's sound lazy. I am. I'm too lazy to get up and go find a quarter. Yeah, Okay, it's a rock out cropping. All right, there you go, folks, mystery solved. Yeah, this

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