Thinking Sideways: Project Lucifer

up broke the ideas. Look, I don't know stories of things. We simply don't know the answer to. Way there and welcome, end to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve as always, joined by Devin and in an echo chamber, we're just like excited because we're you know, about to leave on a vacation. Vacation. Is that vacation. Well, once again this week we have a mystery for you and we're going to share it, which is going to be the quite cleverly named Project Lucifer. I like it. Yeah,

this is a listener's suggestion. I'm going to say this now because I always forget this stuff. It was suggested by Dallas quite a while back. So thank you Dallas name. Yeah, So, what is Project Lucifer space? Yes, it happens in space. In a single sentence, Project Lucifer is a supposed plan to create a second son in our solar system, which I like. I like the idea. I think it's really not a good idea, but that's for you know, my own selfish reasons. We'll go over that, reasons why we'll

talk about that. Okay, we should probably just dive right in because there's a little bit to go over. Off, let's launch. Come on, Joe, where's your punt? You spaced out? Okay, Well, if anybody has read much sci fi, then you've probably read Arthur C. Clark's novel two thousand one, A Space Odyssey. And even if you haven't read that book, you've probably seen Stanley Kubrick's movie of the same name, Bump bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump,

bump bum. Yes, once again, Kubrick has made an appearance in the show. I really like him, so apparently hoarding him in wherever I can. Well, what people may not know is that there was a second book, and then a second film, which was called in ten Odyssey to Well, if you haven't read the book or you haven't seen the movie and you intend to, you should probably stop the podcast right now because spoilers. I'm going to talk about it. I think it's been thirty plus years. I

think we're safe. But if it's in your queue and you want to pause us now, it's the time to do it. All right. For the rest of you who are listening, here's what's going on in the second book. The monolith, which was in the first book and movie, it is still orbiting Jupiter. The monolith eventually ends up on the surface of Jupiter, where they resurrect. They're dead. No, that's not wrong. Yeah, it's Cubic's idea and two thousand one of Space Odyssey resurrect dead on planet Jupiter. Oh,

you're right, don't question. That is not the storyline. All the storyline is that the monolith ends up on the surface of Jupiter, at which point it begins to replicate itself. And I'm actually sure that that's what happened. I read a couple of synopsi, and basically what happens is that it ends up on the surface, it grows it's growing enough, and they say that is replicating itself to create more mass. It becomes a dark spot on Jupiter. You actually it's

observable from space. It is growing so long. It well, it's been a long time since I've read the book. But but essentially the gist of two thousand one is that the Aliens left a wormhole next to Jupiter. That's

what allowed our asked not to travel to them. He makes an appearance in the second one, by the way, Yeah, exactly, And so I always sort of assumed that they were just chunking, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of these monolists through the wormhole, rather than it replicating itself. That I didn't read the book, and I didn't want I didn't have the time to watch really what happened,

but that important. What happens is suddenly there are a bunch of monoliths of the similar nature in the thing little area, correct, and the monoliths begin to condense the Jupiter, which is a gas giant with additional mass. And it is this application of the additional mass that allows Jupiter to transform into a new small sun, which is super awesome for the moons around Jupiter, which are considered to potentially be habitable if they just had the right that

sun and heat and all of that. So hey woo. These moons are specifically Europa, which has ice, right, it does have ice. I believe Europa is the one that has all the cracks because of something coming from side. Yeah, there red is am I correct in that I can't keep them. And then there's Enchilada. Don't Joe, You're actually pretty close because they're thirty some odd moods are much Yeah, there's there's Europa and Io are the big ones that

everybody points to and as being possibly habitable. And then there's gannym of course, which also, by the way, Arthur C. Clark wrote a fun short story about many many years ago which I can't remember the name of, but I think it was called The Sentinel, but it was. It was kind of the basis for two thousand and one. But interesting, interesting little story, Ganny. It actually turns out to be this enormous space, enormous spacecraft and not at

all humanity gets out there. So you know, I like, there's a one that I heard a couple of years ago where Europa because the ice, you know, everybody thinks there's something living under the ice, like microscopic bacterial stuff. It turns out there's actually crack in size creatures living under it. Every time we land on it, they suck. They suck the capsules with people down because hey, look crunchy shell soft inside. It's like kitty bar. It a

once every billion years or so, so we better take advantage. Okay, Well, back to our story, the original story that we were talking about, the second Jupiter turns into a second son. That son is named Lucifer. But keep in mind, Lucifer isn't used in a negative connotation, which you know if you've read been spent any time around the Bible, the name Lucifer has a lot of negativity around it. Well,

it's not that. Instead, it's reflection of the fact that the word lucifer as an adjective in Latin means light bringing. Actually turns out if it's a now and it means morning star. And I know that I have heard lucifer used in that way for both in Oh God, it's it's religious studies. People have talked about the morning star used to be called Lucifer, and you don't hear it that often but that's where it comes from. Probably wrong,

but that's off the cuff. So I'm sure everybody is wondering, why in the hell I just gave the to a book in a movie. We're not a we're not a film review podcast. We're not that other podcast, not linguistics either. No, Well, it turns out, believe it or not, there are conspiracy theorists who believe that this is possible, not only possible, but they claim that this is one of NASA's ongoing projects and it's totally real. Not with those budget cuts,

is not. Well, just saying okay, so there's there's okay, well, okay, so credits, we're going to cut now because we're done. That's great, pet No, No, it's just you know, actually, I mean if they if they are capable of keeping this a secret, they can actually have a black budget too. Yeah that's true. I guess all those weather satellites, not really Weather's budget might be a lot lot bigger than you think. It's true. Yeah, it's all monopoly money at

this point anyway. Yeah, anyway, so let's go, let's jump into a little bit of science. Why would somebody think this was real? Well, there is some real science to it, and then there's some pseudo science. Let's just let's just walk through all of that as quickly as possible here. So, first off, Jupiter, like I said before, if you know anything about it, it's a gas giant planet. It's a giant planet. And Jupiter as a gas giant is referred to sometimes as a failed star, which is kind of

harsh in my opinion. How do you think that makes Jupiter feel? Yeah? Um no, So what it basically means is that if Jupiter had more mass, then theoretically it could have become a star too. Aren't we just as much a failed star? Huh No, But we don't have the gas to make the nuclear fusion. So no, we're not a star. We are not a star. We're like sea level. Yeah, okay, no, So anyway back to back to actually going into the science here. Yeah, mass mass.

That is the huge problem is that it doesn't have enough mass to be able to allow for sustained nuclear fusion. So instead it's a guest Jane. It doesn't have that ability. Now. Sadly, for Jupiter, it's calculated that depending on who does the math, it would need at least ninety times more mass than it has right now, going to start maybe perhaps ye source, I mean it really it depends on who's doing the math, and it's you know, you split airs at that point.

To me, it doesn't because there ain't that much mass in the Solar System, because there's outside of the Sun. They're just doesn't They're correct. There are a lot of other planets that are around the same size as Jupiter out there that have managed to achieve nuclear fusion. Those are what are referred to as a brown dwarf, and those are actually they're bigger than Jupiter. They are, they are.

So when I read it and it's described Jupiter is at the extreme low end of possibly becoming a brown dwarf. And what I've heard is that the stream, Yeah, I've heard this way far below. Like you know, I've heard that the minimum size for a brown dwarf is about thirteen Jupiter masses. I wouldn't be surprised in terms of actual size. It might be about the right side, but it doesn't have the mass. The mass what is what matters.

So let's do this because I am really bad when it comes to description of this stuff, and I think you're going to do a better job than I am. Joe. Can you briefly, are you able to explain to people what mass means versus size, yes, versus side. Yeah. Well,

it's just like you know, like it's real simple. I mean, take two balloons, blow one up with air from your mouth and fill the other one with water from your faucet to about the same size, and you'll notice that even though they are the same size, one has different maps. They have different masses, different different densities density. There's the thank you one way is more so, so that's what we're getting at here. We're gonna throw around the word

mass a number of times going forward. So that's why I'm hoping that you had a good back at the

envelope explanation. Thank you. And the reason mass is important in this context is because the more mass, the more gravity, and therefore the more it compresses itself, which is what you need for to for stars to exist, as you need that massive pressure to be into not only ignite that that fusion reaction, but also keep it contained because the key point for a star is that the nuclear the process of nuclear fusion is always pushing outwards, but

the intense gravity of the mass of the star itself is always pulling it back in, and so it keeps it in this sort of perfect goldie Goldilocks zone where it's balanced. Now, eventually, through the process of nuclear fusions, stars like our son eventually will burn up enough that it's mass or reduce it's gravitational force were reduced, and suddenly it'll start spewing that stuff out, not being able to contain it anymore. And that's when you start to

get into the death cycle of a star. And you know, and don't don't get stressed about it. That's not supposed to happen for at least like two more years. Yeah, we got time. It's it's, it's it's it's a number that is so big you'll never have to worry about it. It's not trillions, but it's billions of brown dwarf though different, different kind of thing, right, not like our son is not what our son is a star. It's a yellow dwarf. A brown dwarf does not does put out some radiance,

but it's not in a spectrum. It's not very bright. It's not in the for us, I don't believe it's actually in the visible spectrum. We can see, but it's it's not a shining star something having it towards like the low end of like the oranges, oranges and reds and stuff like that. Yeah, and but not as much

as our son because they're actually affusing different elements. I don't think they have enough feeling us and they don't know how the helium et cetera and hydrogen and stuff to to actually have that kind of reaction, so they have a lower level kind of reaction, which is like

deuterium and something else. So it's just darker essentially. Yeah, they don't put out as much heat in mind, basically not as hot simple version, but also not as bright, right, so it wouldn't illuminate the planets around it as much as well. Is that true? That would be true. It would with different color light, different with different level, different kinds of radiations, So life on another planet around the groundwarf would look a lot different. Planets would not be

green and assuming they would be something else. But he something akin to like Crypton, you know from the Superman comics. His star was a different color. So when he came here he had all of these things blah blah blah. But that's kind of the way they could see, so they could get the comic books. Great reference, and actually they can't sustain in life. It's just the planet's going to have to be a lot closer to it than

we like a moon might be. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That science having been covered, here's what our friendly neighborhood conspiracy theorists feel is actually going on, or believe is actually going on. Is they think that the lack of mass and Jupiter could be solved by simply adding nuclear fuel to it. So this supposedly would jump start the process of nuclear fusion. Again, Remember, the process of nuclear fusion is what creates the radiance of a star. It's what

produced sends out the light and the heat radiation. I'll point out that sometimes where when you're doing the reading, Jupiter is not the only planet that is referenced. You will also see Saturn brought up in this discussion. I'm going to leave Saturn out for now when we talk about this, we're still only going to be talking about Jupiter. Eventually we'll talk about Saturn, but from here until I say again, it's all Jupiter all the time. Saturn is

like a lot smaller than Jupiter. Actually, that's problem Okay, so we've got this planet and we're gonna start start nuclear fusion, and so how are we going to do it? Well, it turns out that we're going to use NASA's probes. That's how we're gonna do it, because there's Galileo, Cassini and Voyager and a whole bunch of others in the Deep Space Fleet that could do this, and there's a

good reason for it. The way a deep space probe works is once you get past Mars, there really isn't no. It turns out once you get past Mars, the problem is that you cannot rely on solar solar panels to create enough electrical fuel for the satellite's to work. So they have to have a secondary. They have to have a different source, and that different source is what is called an RTG that stands for radioisotope thermoelectric generator. That not me. Yeah, well you know sometimes I do things right,

not often, So that is their fuel source. And actually a bit of current pop culture is if you ever read Andy Were's The Martian, you actually might be familiar movie. Well, actually, I don't think they went into the RTG that much of the movie. I didn't see either because you know previously mentioned I don't like stuff like that. Yeah, forget you hate the lost space. These arts are cool, pretty cool to the units I really would love to have

on myself. Yeah no, no, not at all. Okay, here's here's why Joe, I don't want one, because here's the problem is that rtigs are radioactive and they are putting off radiation is not good for you know, it's actually good for you. It makes you get bigger, you're grow an extra armed there's a green yeah, and then you start to waste away and die. Yeah. So here's here's how an RTG works. RTGs use plutonium to thirty eight. It's in pellet form, and the heat from the radio

active elements that radioactive process that's in the plutonium. It goes through a thermo coupler, which is a material that produces a direct electrical current when heat is applied to it's it's using the heat to create electricity, but uses heat instead of light. Yes, that's absolutely right. The nice thing about the RTGs, why they're so popular is that they have no moving parts, so there's nothing to break. In that fashion, they're super simple. For instance, the Galileo

Space Probe. It had two RTGs on board um, which you know, gave it all the power it needed and was carrying approximately seventeen pounds of plutonium thirty eight, so it's it's a small load to get lots of energy from. I've heard that the Rush has used quite a few of these just for powering lighthouses up, like in the Arctic Circle. Yeah, they do. It's hundreds of miles of cabling has got electricity running through it, and that's how the electricity has generated. That's what they used to tell

people on the cruise ship. If you didn't know that I worked on a cruise ship, I didn't know that. People would ask like, do you you know does the do you have to gas up or anything like that, And first mate, he always said, um, oh yeah, I know. What you can't see is the extension cord that well, you're actually running on little tracks with little brushes like slot cars your kids down. That's how it works, okay, Yeah, that's how we're going to do space travel from now

and just put tracks everywhere. So people would actually ask you, guys, if you had to refuel. Yeah, they really did ask it. They really did people's stupidity has no bounds. I guess not. Sorry, let's let's move were talking, Yes, let's go back to it. Okay, So so far, we've talked about how Jupiter works, We've talked about how the power for space probes works. In a second, we're going to talk about how that's going to apply to Project Lucifer to make a big second

son in our solar system. But why that's that's a question. But why why go through all of this effort? The reason is it is what we talked about before with Ghanymede and what was the other um Enlada and Europe. Okay, the idea is that the reason to do this is to create other habitable worlds in our local solar system. So it's a new planet that would be habitable that we could then you know, send whatever we wanted there and turn it into whatever we wanted. And it's literally,

you know, months away by current today's spacecraft technology. So it's it's pretty damn close. But wouldn't it mess up our solar system? Not necessarily that we'll talk about that. There's there's there that's the issues with this people up a little bit. Well, that depends on how you do it? Yeah, so I okay, I do it. If you do it in the way that scientifically possible, Yes, it would, if you do it in the way they're talking about monolith

yeah it would not. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, that's fine. Sorry, I just like I keep asking myself, like, why would we want to do this? Yeah, that's that's in That's a completely valid question. I've asked that a lot. Okay,

it's fun reasons. So the supporters of Project Lucifer for the RTGs that we were just talking about before we went off on that, uh, they say that Project Lucifer is going to be using the radioactive material that is in the RTGs to create an atomic bomb when they crash the craft into the atmosphere of the planet, and once it's fallen far enough into the gas giant, the high pressures at the depths of it are going to ignite did at which into a nuclear reaction, at which

point it's then going to be able to create a sustained nuclear fusion situation. All of them, We're doing that with all of them, or just we just we just need one to work, just one payload to work. Yes, one, We just got to get that one spot on in the right, there's a job thirty four pounds of that stuff on on the probe, right, It depends on the

probe on how much there is. So like when we were talking just a minute ago about Galileo, it's got seventeen pounds to our t g Oh, you're right, I'm sorry, yeah, Tom, Sure, yeah, absolutely. But but the key here is that it's the pressure of Jupiter that's what's going to do it. Because if you know, we set off nuclear bombs on this planet and our planet is not a star, we didn't have uncontrolled nuclear fusion because it burned out if there was

nothing to contain it. So with that low depths, that's where they're saying that's going to allow it to hold that process. Going, I know, it's cookie science. I see the look on your face. Yeah, I'm at the point right now in this episode where I'm thinking, well, am I so naive about science that I like literally don't understand that? Or is this just bad like that bad

of science? I don't know. Well, it's well, one thing one of the things you got to know about Jupiter is that it doesn't have a similar It's atmosphere is a lot deeper than ours, and so at the surface wherever the surfaces, if it even exists, we're not even totally sure about that. The pressures are going to be tremendously high. Whether they're high enough to sustain and actually contain a fusion reaction, well that's a different story. But

they are extremely high by our earthly standards. So it's not bad science. I'm just scientists. Either of those or both of those exclusively. Someone says, not bad science, okay, I would say that. So crash a probe into the planet, It explodes, it creates this gas giants, nuclear fusion, sustained reaction turns Jupiter into another star through this runaway nuclear refusion process, and walla, we've got all these habitable worlds.

That's what it is. But I mean it's you know, I mean, it's not as if as scary and crazy it might sound. It's not like they've ever tried it, or have they, Because this is what has really got people going is back in two thousand three, Galileo, the the spacecraft, the probe. I keep calling it a probe. I don't actually really know if probe is the right word. It's a spacecraft, though probe. Probe works. You know, it's a spacecraft, it's an identified flying object. It is identified

flying object. Well true, Well Galileo was. It been on its mission for many, many years, and it was running out of fuel. The reaction it could not sustain it much longer in its RTGs. So what NASA decided to do, uh, and this is their official reason, is they said, listen, we don't want it to crash into one of the moons and potentially contaminated with bacteria or anything like that from planet Earth. We want to keep it pure and

pristine in its own way. So what we're gonna do is instead we're going to crash it into Jupiter and destroy it that way, getting rid of any nasty hitchheckers, because who wants Earth crap on their planets? In my brain, I think if they were actually trying to colonize the moons as planets, it would maybe be helpful to start putting Earth bacteria on there. But on the other hand, as somebody who's interested in trying to find those things

unique to other places, that makes a lot of sense contaminating. Yeah, so you know for sure you find that back to her there it evolved you know, autonomously from something that we did well. And plus also you want to actually, if you're going to do that, do a controlled thing where you actually introduce bacteria that you want to do rather than in this case, I think it was just whatever straight crap was laying around the lab that hitched to board that thing, So it could be some negatives.

The labs are always are clean, but once it gets to the the launch site and it gets launched, you know, there's just there and then there's Freddy who's coming out with the flu who sneezed on it, you know, and stuff like that. Do you want influence of viruses like

replicating on on their own? Probably not? Probably not so our friendly neighborhood conspiracy theories they see this act of crashing Galileo into Jupiter and they say, ah ha, that is evidence that you are trying to make Project Lucifer happen. That's what's going on. Okay, Well, but there didn't They just disprove their own theory, right. They were like, all you have to do is crash one probe into there and blah blah blah blah blah. So NASA crashed a

probe into there and what happened. Nothing they tried and they didn't quite do at this time. Remember, just because they crash it in there doesn't mean it's going to happen. They have to do it right, So bear with me through this. Like I said, they believed that as it went through to the depths of Jupiter, the pressure was going to set off the plutonium in the RTG and

we were going to get this nuclear reaction. And of course NASA holding up there into the cover up is always said duh, that's not possible, dude, to which case they said, duh, stop lying to us. Well, NASA seems just a little bit too eager to quell these rumors. Yeah, yeah, and thankfully. I mean, you know, NASA was bad at what they were trying to do because nothing actually happened.

Right wrong again, Dunny, Wrong again, because a month or so after Galileo went down into the atmosphere of Jupiter, a dark spot appeared on Jupiter. About a month later there was this giant Earth sized dark spot. So we were able to observe this. I ask if it was monolith shaped, No, no, it was. It was a circle, but it was it was huge. It was it was large.

Although it looked to me like it was probably a shadow cast by one of j It was moving, so people said it was it was our friendly neighborhood conspiracy theorists said that is a proof that it worked. The plutonium exploded, it went off, it just did not create a sustained nuclear reaction, so there was this big plume

and that's what came to the surface. Scientists have instead said, as you, Joe just pointed out it was a shadow, or others have said it was on the equator of Jupiter, which it turns out is amazingly turbulent, and they're like, oh, yeah, no, it it was some kind of crazy storm, giant giant storm, which I don't want to be in the middle of. I'm sure weather is quite fun. J Maybe another reason to turn it into a sun and so we don't ever, ever, ever,

ever have to deal with the weather. Yeah that's true. Yeah, because I mean we were so going to go down. Yeah, Okay that I feel like we've gotten everything across in terms of what the story is. I feel like maybe it might be a little bit confusing. So I'm just gonna do what I don't normally do, which is just the briefest of recaps. Drop a nuclear bomb of some shape or form they say, into the atmosphere of Jupiter.

That's gonna go off. That's going to create a nuclear reaction which is going to turn it into a sun, which would would be hot, which would then also allow the that nuclear reaction trainings with sun would turn the moons of Jupiter into habitable worlds. And and proof is that we dropped a spacecraft into it, and oh look, we got this giant dark spot that proves that it

went off. We just didn't achieve sustained reaction the whole thing. Yeah, and that might explain why NASA is currently working what they call the Big Gas Probe. That it was like twenty times bigger than than they're not actually a nuclear fuel remarkably enough. Okay, so that is our story. We are now going to get into theories. But before we do that, let's quick take a quick break. If anyone had a zeal for food, it was Kara wac That man loved food, and the way he described it, how

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week of deliveries. So go to Hello fresh dot com and er sideways thirty when you subscribe, and remember Hello Fresh has delicious ingredients you'll love to eat and simple recipes you'll love to cook. And we're back. Yeah. That's that's our first section of the theories. Portion is so why do this? And we briefly covered this a little bit before, and the answer is to play god of course. Duh.

So the idea that some organization which wants to set up a planet on its own terms isn't all that far fetched according to a lot of the stuff that we have read. I mean, we've heard about these societies that want to change governments on this planet. So why is it so far fetched that somebody might say, hey, let's just take our ball and leave and set up

our own somewhere else. There are plenty of dystopian movies and books about this very sort of thing, be where the elite get live off planet and everybody else suffers below or whatever. Yeah, So I mean it's it's the whole thing. Is that so that the this society or this group that wants to create a new society I should say they want to move everybody who is worthwhile,

and I use air quotes around the world worthwhile. I don't know what their criteria is, but they they're going to use them to repopulate these newly habitable moons around this new sun of Jupiter or the new sun that is made from Jupiter Lucifer, and they're gonna make their own civilization. They're not going to have any of that riff raff that this planet is just bogged down with, or any of those crappy processes. You know, they're not

going to have any of that stuff. They're going to be really upset when they find out you can't have a society without people who are kind of dumb. And the TPS report will always live on. Yeah, I think that, but but you know, any off planet society, they're gonna leave most of the rip rap behind anyway, because when you're looking to take somebody your to your new colony,

obviously you're not gonna be recruited. You're not gonna recruit high school dropouts with no skills there, so you know, and then you're not going to recruit home most people in heroin addicts. Well but but okay, but wait, but but you know what, manual labor has to be done nothing and nothing happens with how some guy cleaning out to slop pens and turning a wrench. You're probably not going to recruit people who like have a pension for murder.

You know, you might leave them behind. And by the time we're actually ready to start colonizing other planets in earnest, most of the manual labor is gonna be done by machines. And so the guy that's got to maintain the machines and that'll be that'll be a high skilled job. It's not gonna he's not gonna be some second dumbass, okay, And so yeah, you're not gonna be taking anything. The other thing about it, too, is creating your elite society.

When you're talking about the kind of money they're talking about to create a whole new solar system in our solar system. With that kind of money, you could very easily just buy a continent here on Earth and just move everybody out of it. But you're still on Earth, so you're still subject to a certain bozo in a certain country who decides he wants to set off nuclear bombs and he's just fouled the pools for everybody. That

can happen, that's true. So you don't have that problem if you just leave the pool and go to your own, you know, to go to the one next door. I suppose it just seems like kind of an expensive solution to me, but I suppose that would work well, you know, and that's why you're the riff raffles getting left behind. Okay, So so who is doing this? Who? Who is the group that's going to do this? Are seen Illuminati and the second Son. You know, I have seen that it's

been the Illuminati have been pointed at. I've seen that it might be the Freemasons. I've never seen it, the Shriners or the Moose. I'm pretty sure they can't make the trip, but they're actually there's a whole another group that I hadn't I've I came across this. I don't know if you guys have ever listened to Clyde Lewis. He's got a syndicated radio program and he's here in Portland. But on his site they started talking about this Jason Society. Yeah,

you don't know Jason. I didn't know Jason, and so I was really really kind of intrigued by this, this entire thing made up of super smart scientists that we're doing all of these things. And supposedly Jason was originally created by President Eisenhower, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna read a this is all in quotes here. He put together the Jason Scholars to investigate all things cosmic, including extraterrestrials UFOs and the so called breakaway group that would

have to evacuate the planet to start civilization elsewhere. That's what Jason was all about. Yes, you're right, is so? And there are other grips out there that are they are seriously discussing moving humanity, not all of us, but but starting us off somewhere else in Mars or new stars wherever, to get humanity off the Earth, you know, not entirely, but you know, I'm moving us around, spread us out. This person in the theory of using like hive ships or colony ships is not new. I mean,

it's been around for a long time. That's how we got to America. And actually I'm going to reveal it now. We are on one right now. They just haven't told the dumbasses to step on you guys know this too, obviously, it's really the matrix. Yeah, our listeners are smart enough they know about this. Nobody I'll does. Okay, So so the Jason Society, they're they're going to figure this out, and they're gonna they're gonna jettison all the good people

to this new planet. But what is going to stop the rest of us here on planet Earth from cobbling our own rockets together clampet style and and go into the new good neighborhood and moving in and just turning the whole thing south on them. Well, they they probably have, like you, big lasers and stuff like that. Well, that's that's one of the things you show up. They'll probably just like vaporize you. I think they have diamondium, diamonium.

Oh are you talking about the dice sphere? Okay, different things, Okay. Well, know what I was getting at was that if their plan to do this works, they're gonna cause some cataclysmic problems throughout the rest of the Solar System, which is going to stop us from being able to get ourselves there.

Because when this new start throws off, it's going to exert a lot of gravity and it's gonna start sucking asteroids out of the asteroid belt and pulling them towards itself, which is then gonna make you know, the trip between the two it's gonna be, you know, going through a minefield, and then a lot of those asteroids are going to be coming and falling onto this planet, causing just mayhem, clause we're now going to be blasted with radiation that

we weren't set up to deal with in the first place. So basically we're all just gonna meld and they We're like, we don't have to worry about them. It's not like they're ever going to be able to make it here. Yeah, I don't, I don't. That's not gonna happen though, because the planet is just to note a nuclear reaction without changing the mass of Jupiter. So it's actually not gonna master it's not gonna muck with the horrible mechanics of the Solar System right much at all. But it will

it will change it. The mass of the mass of Jupiter won't change. It just becomes an illuminated object rather than just you know, one that reflects the light. Now it creates its own life. But it's the plan is not to change its mass at all. But okay, and so I mean, if you really want to turn it into a star, you have to add a ton of mass to it, more mass than can be found in the Solar system. Yeah, so that's the only way to do it, and that will definitely mess up our orbit.

But in the fake science, suddenly it has more influence. Overly speaking, Okay, I'm saying the opposite of that. I'm saying that I agree that according to your you know, the fake theory, right, not the fake theory, but the fake science behind it. Yet the conspiracy, all they're doing is setting off a nuclear reaction. It's not going to change it. It's not going to change anything, So there will I mean, so it's you know, still fine. They're just trusting that we're all too dumb to figure out

how to get over there. There was partially true that people who can operate a spacecraft with them, they will. Actually we know how to get there. Now it's just it's too expensive. Yeah yeah, and you know they're going to take all the people with the money, so it doesn't really matter. But you know, but I agree that if if we're doing it the real way, that's it's going to be a problem. Well, let's talk about the

real way. Let's let's talk about some of the Let's talk about the approved science that's not not the alternative alternative science. Let's talk about the approved, actual science that we get from all of the people who study this stuff and seem to be the scholars that most people refer to. Let's start with that, talking about that, you know, the people that are in the in the employee of big oil people that you mean Jason Members. No, no, no,

not that Jason Members. We're talking about about the guys at NASA. The guys, the guys that NASA are part of Jason. Maybe they are, of course they are. If they're if they're involved in the cover up of Project Lucifer, they are part of Jason. Okay, let's go backwards here a little bit. Let's let's roll back and let's talk about one of the first problems we have, which Joe was just talking about, which was or briefly alluding to, which is the source of this nuclear fusion process, which

is the RTG. RTGs are not atomic war heads. They're not something that is weapons grade plutonium. That's actually something very different. RTGs use plutonium two thirty eight, which is called reactor grade a nuclear weapon uses. I love how clever this name is weapons grade plutonium, which is plutonium to thirty nine. And the other difference is that inside of weapons grade plutonium there is also a very very small, like single digit percentage of plutonium to forty, whereas reactor

grade has more plutonium to forty in it. Now, that's an important thing to understand, because it is the plutonium to forty that makes it harder to sustain a chain reaction in the nuclear project. Is why you might want to, you know, put it on something you were blasting into space. You'd want something fairly stable tiny little space instead of something that you know, if got rubbed the wrong way, might just explode, especially if you're shooting it into space

through her atmosphere. They actually, the way they do it in the RTGs is they put them all in like their own separate, little little container of minimal radium and some other stuff that are basically kind of unbreakable, so they can't there's not enough in any one of these given containers to actually reach what it's called critical mass.

Critical well, it helps to make it more stable, but also even if it was like weapons grade, there wouldn't be enough of it to really, I think, be in any given space to actually be enough of a critical master to turn into a weapon, even if even if you but it might express or whatever, not necessarily probably not could escape its containers somehow and scatter around and

poison a few people. What's about it? So here to answer your question, it couldn't explode, Okay, if I understand correctly, it's the plutonium to forty that has kind of a stabilizing effect on the nuclear process. But in nineteen sixty two, the United States did conduct an underground nuclear test with non weapons grade plutonium so reactor grade PU two forty. They were able to get it to explode. It was

very difficult and it had an extremely low yield. So even though they got it to go off, it wasn't as if it was, oh my god, we found the mother of all explosions. Well this this sucks. This is way less than what we already know how to make. But of course you gotta you gotta remember too, we only know what's in those RTGs because that's what they told us. And that is a beautiful point. Joe, I wanted to make sure that we at least got that across that this is everything that is I'm going to

use the word I'm gonna say documented officially. Maybe maybe we're being lied to. Maybe our friends here in the next section are right, and what is on the schematic is only a portion or actually completely wrong. I don't know, totally wrong. Well, it could be, it could have some of it, but it's just you know, they've scaled it

in some way. But what Joe talked about before was the fact that it's so difficult to get the plutonium in the RTG to go off, and that is because of the fact that each of these bits of PU two thirty eight I've seen it describe there about the size of a marshmallow, and not the little ones that you put in your hot coco, but the bigger marshmallow, Yes, a jumbo marshmallow, which is then enclosed, as Joe said, in a ridium that is then put into a shockproof

graphite impact shell that is then put into what they call a general purpose heat shield module. And they are so multilayer wrapped that they cannot come into contact with one another. So I mean, if something goes wrong, let's say an asteroid comes flying by and smashes into the spacecraft rather than jamming them all together. They are going to statter in the wind like packing peanuts. They're they're gonna spread about. They shouldn't be colliding with each other.

And even if they do, they they're so wrapped up they can't use so they cannot create um that that that critical mass. Yeah, and so they can't go critical and so yeah yeah, yeah, so they can't get a large enough mass together. But of course that's that's only

according to what they're telling, correct. Now, The thing to remember is that, and this is why it's kind of difficult to make a fusion reaction or nuclear reaction happen in general, is that you need to be able to implode all of the material around the bluetonium equally and at the same time, so it's from all sides. If you only do it from one side, it's not going to react. It's not going to create that that fusion,

so it's not going to go off. So again, that's why the packing peanut method is so good, and it's actually really hard to create this perfectly ignited system. We did it, I mean in the fourties and World War two. The US dropped fat Man on Nagasaki. It used this implosion trigger mechanism, but it took to you as many many years to get it. By the way, we're not fusion bombs those we're just atomic bombs. But they use that implosion method. One of them did fat Man. Yeah.

The other to use the gun methods little barrel, Yeah, used the gun barrel yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean they didn't do it the same the whole time because it's not easy to do now. They were essentially the prototypes and yeah, it's like that they actually had these special little switches and everything that out of themselves are not exportable item and everything, just just to make sure that all the charges go off a precisely the same time,

because that's what it is. It's just a sphere of explosive, all these different charges with all these wires and switches and ignitors going to them, and they've all got to go off at precisely the same time. If there's a delay, it doesn't work. And believe me, you can you can wire it up as good as you possibly can, and they're actually not going to go off the precisely the same time. Like if you and I do it. Yeah,

here's the question. If you shot something into like Jupiter, for instance, is the pressure going to be equal from all sides a given time more or less theoretically? Yeah, And that's that's where that's why the science, that's why it's Jupiter is one of the places that they use this idea for because theoretically, as it falls through the atmosphere miles and miles and miles and down, the pressure is going to be uniform on all sides, even behind, on all sides. I mean, it's it's like the pressure

on a deep sea. Uh, what is the alvin in the the autonomous stuff, the autonomous robots to go into the Mariannas Trench and stuff like that, the pressure on all sides is basically the same. Here's the next question, follow up question, the little containers that they put them in. How precise is that right? I mean, human error is a thing. Manufacturing defects are a thing. So are they all so uniformed that they would also deconstruct at the same rate? So our they're not. They're not built to

that kind of set, that kind of specification. Our friends who are putting out all of this are under the belief that the intense pressure is going to jam everything together at such a great force that it won't matter. And basically the iridium is going to separate naturally away if I understand it correctly, and then the next layer of the packaging peanut is going to separate, and they're going to kind of condense, you know, based on their

own densities. They're gonna re reorganize. And I mean, it's it doesn't make sense. It's weird science. Some of it does make sense. I will give them that from a layman's perspective. Some of it makes sense, but some of it doesn't follow the rules of logic that we've learned well. And I don't think that. Let's face it, if if NASA really intended to do what they're what they're talking about here, then they wouldn't have separated all that that

great plutonium out in all these little containers. They would have put it all together where it could actually be touched off. If that was maybe they are, but I don't think that. I don't think the pressure on Jupiter is ever going to be big enough to actually touch off usion reaction. Yeah, but there just isn't enough pressure there. So let's and let's say let's do this real quick, because a lot of this science of how the Sun

works it's miles above my pay grade. But we talked about it a little bit earlier, and I'm not going to go I mean, I've got some stuff written here about, you know, the combination of helium and the proton to proton chain. Like, we don't need to go into all of that. As I read this again, Really, what we talked about before is it's got to have enough gravity to hold that fusion reaction to itself and not let

it expel everything out. So the science says that Jupiter, even if it did create a sustained reaction, would not be able to hold it all in. It would burn up and it doesn't spell it all into space. That's why. That's why it needs to be times bigger than it is. That gives it the gravity to hold it all together at the center and sustaining reaction. Yeah yeah, so so sorry, Jupiter, that's why you're a failed star. If you just studied for the essay t S you would have made it. No,

she should have just stopped losing weight, stop diet. Yeah, okay, it needs to be a planet. Okay, So we've talked about why they're doing this project, Lucifer. We've talked about the official why it can't happen science, real science, the why it can't happen science. I'm not going to call it that because you know, we never turned away theory, and that's one of the things we do stilly, but we do it. Okay, So we're gonna go into the

conspiracy theorist section of their science. It's real, why they say it's real. So if you remember we talked about the nineteen sixty two nuclear test with reactor grade plutonium, will they say, Look, it proves that you can light this stuff off, so it is entirely possible. What it be safe to say that the similarities are like saying, oh, hey, you can light this um sparkler off, or you can light this mortar firework off. You can do both, right. One is going to create a son, the other is

what the US did underground. Would that be a fair comparison in the most general general way to say it? That is not a bad way to look at it, okay, because it is technically the same thing right, good at night, But it wouldn't sustain for very long. It wouldn't be very powerful. So yes, I'll give you that. Yeah, I think that one of their things they're saying is that the Jupiter has more of the constituent elements just right there president in the atmosphere to create this chain reaction

that we don't have in our atmosphere. I don't know, and I don't know what if they know, even if Jupiter went off, I don't know how long it could sustain the reaction. But that's the big problem. Let's move back. Remember I talked about we've already talked about this a couple of times of Galileo. Yeah, we crashed him into Jupiter. I don't know why it's him, maybe her it Galileo crashed into Jupiter. Well, at that time, there was a guy named Jocko vander Warp. Did I see that, right, Joe?

I have no idea, like all right, Well, he went on Coast to Coast am. We've talked about them before, the radio program that talks about all of this kind of stuff, And he said that the two thousand crashing of Galileo. Yah, I said, eight, didn't I you? Oh, well it's the two thousand three crashing. Well, not to be confused with the two thousand crashing that didn't actually happen, right two three crashing of Galileo into Jupiter. He's the one who seems to have initially claimed that the plutonium

in the RTGs was going to implode. His appearance on that show was then pick up by another guy UH named Richard Hoagland, who said, and Richard Hogeland, by the way, believes all things space conspiracy. From what I can gather, he he believes that all of the things that we see in the photos of Mars are actually old structures from a Martian civilization. From generalizing here, but those are things that he says well, by the way, he also

says NASA's covering up that ancient civilization. But he heard this stuff from from Vanderwarp and he locked on. He got on board then bandwagon, and he just broadcasted. And he seems to be one of the major proponents of the idea that the black spot that happened a month after Galileo crashed. He's the one who seems to be the source of the the reporting that that was proof

that a reaction happened. It just wasn't sustained. So we actually can trace this back a little bit to somebody to figure out at least where some of these stories come from. You know, how often do we talk about this. We have no idea who it was. We can't figure it out. I think we actually have the too. I mean, I'm puzzled by some of the things that he says. You think you do have your Yeah, yep, you know, if you if you look back far enough, you buy something.

Find somebody speculating somewhere in popular mechanics way back when that maybe we could turn Jupiter into a second Son, you know. I mean, the idea may have been floating around for longer than we know. I'm not really sure. Well, according to uh And, in order for this to have happened, the explosion on Jupiter would have needed to be two thousand, eight hundred times the size of the biggest nuclear bomb we ever set off on this planet, which by the way,

was a big one. That was one of the Soviets set off, right, Yeah, they set it off in fifty I want to say fifty two, but I don't want to lock into that because it's I don't remember the exact year, but it was. I almost said a different words, really big really really big. Um, so we I mean that that yield is phenomenal, and the math again, like a lot of this, the math is a little weird.

But he's saying that NASA is lying and they are basically floating these intensely powerful warheads through space under the guise of being objects of observation for other planets. Well, why did it take a month for us to observe the Is it because Jupiter is just so big that

it's took it took, it took. So, if I understand, if I'm I'm reading into what he says, it took about two weeks for to fall deep enough into the atmosphere of Jupiter for the pressure to become great enough to ignite the plutonium, and then it took another two weeks for that to radiate back up for us to be able to see. Yeah, that just doesn't makes sense to my brain. But that's why I will be one of the people left behind. That's okay, There'll be lots

of us. It will be a party. But he's saying that he's talking about eight hundred times the size of that fifty eight megaton bomb, right right. I haven't done any any actually calculation to figure out how much plutonium you have to have more than I believe you can pack on these little spacecraft, that it is an amazingly, amazingly pure grade of plutonium that is so real, still have to be a lot more than thirty four pounds, I think, Yeah, oh, yeah, no, no, I'm not in

disagreement with you at all there. It would need to be a bunch more. Yeah, not for a bomb that size. I'm not sure that we have a rocket right now that could actually get that to Mars, or excuse me, the Jupiter. Yeah, no, we don't want to put it into Mars. We don't put it into Jupiter. Well, actually, I i'd really actually kind of like preferred to nuke Mars because that's the planet that I'm actually really more interested in terraforming. We're looking it is not process Elon

Musk has got this to a planet. He does doesn't actually I wanta Okay, it doesn't involve about flying Galileo into it though, so that's good news. Sorry, I can't help start laughing. Hoagland. Also, he's also the source that seems to feel that the whole crashing into Jupiter instead of the moons to not contaminate them. He seems to be the source of the one saying well, that's a total lie. I don't know why, but he is. But the last thing I want to talk about here is

we talked about earlier. We've only discussed Jupiter this entire time, and soon the spacecraft Cassini is going to be crashed into Saturn because it is sad. Yeah, it's been up there for seventeen years. I mean it's it's been there for a long time. It's running out of power, it's at the end of its lifespan, and they're going to do the same thing with its they did with Galileo. People are now saying, well, they're trying it again. They're going to a different planet because it didn't work so

well the first time. Except there's a massive, massive, massive massive. I can't get across how massive this problem is. It's about ninety times more massive than Jupiter. Is that Saturday is smaller? Well Jupiter. It's also not a gas giant, is it. Yes, it is a gas giant. I don't know, like or something like that, but but it is. It is smaller on magnitudes of scale. I think it's in terms of mass it's about a third Jupiter mass, which is what we're Yeah, so it's even smaller. So it's

gonna be even harder for this to actually work. If indeed this was their plan, like this is the most screwed up plan. If they're like, well, we're gonna do it again, but let's go to the one that's even harder this time, it's almost like it's not their plan. It's almost like they're trying to fail. There are there are some cool, interesting, ambitious plans out there, Like there was one that that NASA just floated in February this year, which is basically to put a satellite in the l

one orbit between the Sun and Mars. And since the reason Mars doesn't have an atmosphere is because it's it's too close to the Sun and it's n off. No, no, Mars is further from the Sun that we are. Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And Venus actually has more of an atmosphere than we do. Okay, anyway, yeah, but anyway, any thinking, maybe mercury. But but essentially Mars's magnetic field died about three plus billion years Again, it didn't have as much iron in this core. Is that right? I'm

not sure exactly why. I remember reading that could be, that could be why, but it's but essentially our magnetic field, believe or not, is protects us from the solar wind and diverses, and and that's what keeps our atmosphere from being stripped away like Mars's atmosphere has been. So there's a plan, and but it's just it's just an idea, so to put it, might to put this thing in orbit between the Sun and Mars might be prohibibly expensive. But if on the other hand, we could do it

and be what are they? What are they between? I guess essentially it's a it's gonna be it's going to generate a magnetic field that will essentially protect Mars from the Sun's from the solar wind. It's a really cool idea if it's actually you know, if we can actually afford to do it, because once we had that protection for the Mars's atmosphere, then there's volcanic activity on Mars.

It would it would, it would generate an atmosphere and actually a fairly short amount of time, and so between that, maybe dropping a few nukes here and there to kind of encourage the polar caps ice caps to melt a little bit, you know that kind of thing. Uh, Mars could actually be more habitable in not a long period of time. What's not a long period of time? Decades?

I mean, and we're not talking yeah, we're not we're not talking walking around, you know, walking around on the surface without any sort of breathing aid or anything like that. I mean, as far as getting into some sort of Earth kind of atmosphere, God knows how long it would take to get everything. Yeah, but in terms of terraforming, terraforming a planet, that's actually one of the quicker ways of going about it some of the other methods that

I've heard about. And so it's cool idea. And so there's there are ideas out there to create new and so whenever I hear ideas like Lucifer, for example, I'm always kind of like, yeah, cool, let's create some more habitable planets in our solars. Except that the dumb one, well, that's a dumb idea, it is, it's kind of a

dumb idea. I mean, even and it's like we said before, even if Lucifer worked, I really still think that it's going to cause some serious problems inside of our own solar system for no other regions than the radiation well, because you know that's not that much. I mean, it's far less than our sun puts out and well, but they're actually further from our planet. I mean even its closest approach, Jupiter is still farther away from us then.

But it's going so what I mean by at is not necessarily the cancer causing kind of radiation boil my insides, but it's it's going to create probably some radiant heat, and the impact to our light and their day and night cycles could actually destroy this particular planet because everything is used to a certain amount of time where it is on this globe, and if we suddenly add a second light source, that entire day night cycle is going

to be thrown into a tail space. Seriously, doubt that the Jupiter, even if you came a little sun, would be any brighter than a full moon. Well, for me, it's just all the unknowns. I mean, there's literally no

way for us to know. Luckily, it's not going to happen anyway, because the only way we're gonna make ye, the only way we can make this happen is either go outside our solar system and get a huge amount of matter to bring back to at a Jupiter or go siphon stuff out of the Sun at it to Jupiter. Well that's the dumb idea. Well, if we had the means to do that, then we can do pretty much anything. We don't need to waste our time trying to create

a star out of Jupiter. Could they could essentially build ourselves a giant like orbiting Tiki Torch. Yeah, we don't need We don't need to turn Jupiter the star I am from planet tiki Torch. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I think it's when we get to the point where we had the technical wherewithal to turn Jupiter into a son and I hope we do reaset points someday. We probably won't do it, but it'll be great because having that kind of technical wherewithal means you can do some pretty fantastic things. Yeah.

Because yeah, moving moving that much mass from outside our Solar system to Jupiter, that that would be quite a huge achievement. Yeah, I mean, but that's also that's again that's in the same frame of reference of if what we need is energy to change these particular planets to do stuff, then why don't we do, you know, the Dison's fear, So we're capturing all of the power of this on channeling it somewhere. That seems as just as much of an effort as lighting a gas giant on fire. Yeah,

it probably makes more sense. There's a lot of things that would make more sense, and turning Jupiter into a soun. Okay, anybody, either of you, I think we've walked through most of this. You get anything else, you're kind of spaced out. I see it again. All right, well we're gonna go ahead and wrap this up. You need to worry about that second son. Yeah. A couple of little bits of normal show information here, which is we do have the website.

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