Thinking Sideways: Lake City Quiet Pills

them introduce themselves. Guys over there, we're gonna talk about a mystery that you probably haven't heard of tonight. It's called the Lake City Quiet Pills and strap in because won't be a long one. We're going to talk really, really really slowly. Yeah. I'm going to talk normal, yeah, okay, and with the upwards inflection if you would please slowly yes. My interest in this case actually came from a message I got on Reddit from user by the name of

Captain Cannibal. And to be upfront because I know some people take issue with this when we do episodes like this. This mystery pretty much everything that you actually literally everything that you find on it is on Reddit or on the actual sources that we're going to talk about. It's an Internet based it's an Internet based mystery, but beyond that, it's a very obscure inter based, Internet based mystery, so

that you can't go out. There's not a Wikipedia page about this, for instance, right, there's not articles about this. There's not a huge amount of information about this mystery. So the sources are fairly condensed. But we have gone to the actual source. We've done interviews, we did our

research on this one. Um, as these guys can tell you, because I've been talking about it for weeks and weeks and weeks, people have been talking about it for years, for years and years, and so I just want to say that up front, Yes, we're going to talk about Reddit a lot, and that's our primary source for this. But there's a reason for it. And as far as I can tell, this story starts with a Reddit user. Weird because it's a Reddit thing. Well, okay, it starts

with a few Reddit users. Um, Okay, maybe it just starts with this user whose name was Zaskawanza saskawan Um. But this this user is no longer a user on Reddit. Their account has been deleted, and it started innocently enough. In two thousand nine, a user it was their first post. They made an account to make this post, and their user name was to six and they posted user Religion of Peace had passed away, and it was reported that this user's real name was Milo and that he was

seventy nine years old. He was described as ornery and mean. Um And I wasn't on Reddit at this point in the game, but as far as I can tell, it was it was. It definitely didn't have nearly as many subreddits as it did. The community was much more tighten it. Do you remember when did Reddit officially start? I'm trying to remember. It was two Yeah, that sounds right, Okay, so it was only like a year or so old, so it makes sense that it wouldn't be the sprawling

beast that it is today. Yeah. So, Actually, the big thing that happened in in today's history of Reddit Dig. Do you guys remember dig that website? There was this website that was kind of the precursor to Reddit called dig because you could dig it. You could dig it, and there's this huge exodus that happened, And I'll be honest, I don't remember why, nor did I look it up because I don't care, but this huge excedus happened of dig and that happened I would see, uh, mid to

late two thousand nine. So it's just after this whole thing kind of got started, and that's when a huge influx of users started to come to read it and it kind of starts to develop into the community that it is today. Got it. So that's where the large base of users, a lot of not all of them, certainly, but no, I didn't know that. That's interesting, Okay, got it. Uh So the news of Milo's death did seem to hit a lot of people hard. I guess he was

a who's a pretty well known user. He had reportedly, you know, he was the kind of guy. He enlisted at the military at fourteen to fight the Nazis. He would like lied about his age. You know, there's a lot of lore around this guy. He tells a lot of stories. He had set up a fair number of people with quote unquote gigs after they left their military service, mercenary type jog. Yeah, I don't know that. You know, it was kind of the mean, but an enigmatic character.

I get. Oh. He was also the mod of the subreddit jail bait, Our jail bait, and then um our real jail jail bait. You may remember there was a huge Anderson Cooper controversy. I was going to say, yeah, that's not the nicest subreddit ever. Did anybody should ever say well, it wasn't it wasn't. I think actually, if I recall correctly, the that famous quote about child pornography, the I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it quote. Do you remember this?

There was like a Supreme Court justice who they said, well, what is child pornography? And he said, I don't know what it is, but I know when I see it. I think it was I can't remember who it was, but I think it was like, you know what is obscenity and I don't. I don't know what obscenity is, but I do want to see it. I believe maybe anyway, this this whole jail bait and real j jail bait, they weren't naked pictures. They were just pictures of attractive,

underaged girls. That's even worse. Well let's move forward, please. So Milo apparently owned this web site called that Old Guy's Image Host, which had been set up for him by two six, that user that we're talking about two seconds ago, and when you set up the account to say that he passed to let everybody know that he had passed away. Yeah, and that old guy's image host was a image hosting site primarily for pornography. But it was kind of kind of like Inger a little bit.

It was just you know, there were a lot out there at that time, but they set this one up so they wouldn't be restricted by anyone else's rules, or I guess Milo set it up so he wouldn't be restricted by anyone else's rules except for the fans when they catch up with him. Well, it was it was child and adult pornography and the only rules were no beastiality and no bodily fluids. And the domain name for

this website was Lake City Quiet Pills dot com. Yeah, for reasons unknown users, sas Kuwan started poking around the h HMEL. I've heard this is a thing that coders do and like just on habit basically as they checked the source code. I've actually done it to website to

see how they did something. But I think on this one, you know, some people just kind of they just yeah, so he just he just viewed the source code of Lake City Quiet Pills dot com and found something odd which appeared to be messages like a job posting board, and he posted, I'm sorry I should pause here to say I'm just assigning the heat pronoun to this user. No idea at all, just just assigning that pronoun because

I guess that's what you do. Anyways, this user posted a transcript of the messages that were found in the root source on the subreddit WTF and you can still see that post today and it does it reads like a job board. Um. And a while later, another editor dar Roa you stroa was poking around to follow up or see interesting things theirselves for the website in the source code of the red site yeah, and realized that the code actually had been changed to a cipher or

a number encryption. At this point, user xenophobee was also caught up in the case. And um, they were kind of the two big posters about this, and this is you know, so this was five six years ago and they were the two kind of push investigators on this, and then about a year ago two new investigators kind of came in on this and they were Jason Lee and um m das eight four one four. But I'm getting a little hold of myself here, Slow down, slow down.

Five years ago, when all the users started to notice these things, they started to post actually really please for help, saying, hey, we found this thing. You know what sounds crazy, but can you guys help us try and translate it? Can you help us investigate it? You know, just it's interesting, let's figure out what's going on. And a lot of other Reddit users started saying that they thought that it was actually an a r G. You guys remember a

r G S one. Yeah, it's an alternate reality game. Um. Oftentimes it's a marketing gimmick that was kind of tried to get people to create hype around a thing without actually explicitly saying what that thing was. You know, you can it's an actual game that people play as well. It's not just a marketing gimmick. Well, that's how they get people to get excited about it and generate all the buzz. Sometimes, yeah, for yeah, like I said, sometimes

marketing gimmicks. Sometimes it's just an actual game that people play. Another user at this point, UM does a google on Lake City Quiet Pills, which apparently nobody had done at the time. That's why I don't know. That's fine, uh, and found some interesting things. This person found that a user on farc dot com. You guys remember farc dot com really dot com. It was an Internet link cultivating website. It just like posted links to funny things that anyways,

there was a yeah, pretty much. Um, there was a user on farc dot com with an address that was at Lake City Quiet Pills dot com named angel to six, and that user had been posting on farc dot com since two thousand one with the slogan of quote dispensing Lake City quiet pills to lousy bastards in need of permanent rest since nineteen sixty unquote. This this bit of information. File it away. It'll be significant when we start talking

about theories. So that's angel to six since nineteen so you must be he must have been born about nineteen fifty then, right, yeah, maybe, So what is the I mean, we've got the website and now we're finding a statement for the same thing of Lake City Quiet Pills. So

what is the significance of that. The speculation is, and I fully agree with this, that a Lake City Quiet pill is referring to the Lake City Ammunition Plant, which is a US government owned ammunition facility in Independence, Missouri. UM and they produce a range of ammunition ammunition for the use of the US government, Army, Navy, things like that. It's some massive that place, yeah, huge, and gosh, can

you joe. They produce what produced military m O and it's it's not only for the government, but also some of it goes to civilian sales. You know, stuff like five five six and seven six to which I'm sorry, I five five six is a is a is a rifle around and choosing the the M four carbing that the military uses, Okay, I know, yeah, and then some of them, uh you know, the M fourteen and some of those rifles are chambered in seven six two, which

is also known as three away. That's a civilian designation. Okay. You know, things like nine millimeter fifty cow twenty millimeter, which is the stuff to using in the nose guns of fighter jets. Okay, so big guns. Yeah. Again and again this goes to the government, but also they sell to the civilian market too. Yeah. And we know from some talking that we've done with some people that UM It's maybe not the most widely used slang term, but it is a military slang term to a lot of

special ops snipers. Quiet pills. Okay, not the Lake City party is only because of the munitions yeah factory. Yeah. So they use the term quiet pills as kind of a tongue in cheek reference to killing somebody. You gotta have a sense of humor. You, I think you probably do,

yeah at some point, and I'm not sure when. It's not very clear to me when this happened, but the amateur investigators five years ago on Reddit discovered that that old guy's image hosting was actually just an image hosting site for a larger form site that was called Drunk Stepfather dot com. Name Lassie. Yes, it's kind of like m Most story listeners can put this in the frame of reference of it's Reddit's emger as far as you

can tell. You know, imger is built as an image serving or an image hosting site specifically for Reddit, and it seems that that was the case for this Drunk Stepfather website as well. So it turns out not every user on Drunk step Father was also a user on Lake City Quiet Pills, but every user on Lake City Quiet Pills was a user on Drunk Stepfather. Yeah, Steve, Steve, Yeah, no, I'm I'm visualizing this. Okay. So it's it's like square rectangle,

got it right? Okay, ye, that makes sense. So Lake City. So Lake City Quiet Pills would be the rectangle in this and Drunk Stepfather would be the square and Drunk step Father would be the rectangle. Okay, got it. Yeah. Milo was, as some have put it, kind of like the grandfather of the organization that we're referring to as the Lake City Quiet Pills. I was thinking of a Moore's kind of the Skiezy Dead Mother. Okay, you know,

whatever works for you. It's a weird portant. Side I consider the Skiezy Mother posting a child porn site then yeah. Um so, he, along with other key members, were very active members of the Drunk Stepfather forum. Milo was the old guy that that Old Guy's image host was referring to. He owned the site as far as we can tell via the chats on the forum. He owned it at least for a while, and he was the runner of it,

I guess, as far as we can tell. And we'll get a little more into this because there was a who is that was run and we'll talk I was going to ask about who is? Okay, and I haven't mentioned this yet. Lake City Quiet Pills no longer exists. It's gone defunct. It's a defunct website. It's gone defunct in the last year. It's actually probably a good thing because we're what fifteen twenty minutes in and you know that at least a dozen of our members, our listeners

at work, would have accidentally tried to go to the website. Yeah, fired, So we've saved you. Yeah, we waited. I got it. Actually got got taken down a lot more recently than that, even it didn't get taken out. We'll talk about this in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about some of the key players in this case before we get too much further into this. Okay, tell us about Angel to six. Um, yeah, let's talk about Angel two six. That's the guy that was on far dot com. He

was the guy that was on Farc dot com. And there's a bit of a bit of mystery around this person because Angel to six is almost definitely one person, but to six is probably just like a title, So you'll get a number of different users posting under the moniker of two six makes sense. The title was sort of passed around every couple of years, right or months

or so. If I had a profile and my profile name was super Steve, it would be super seed to six if I got that title, but not always some or sometimes you would just be to six and they'd be like, oh, well, super Steve is running it right now. Super Seve is the two six right now. Wow, that's just a bit that we're confusing. Okay, I know. So there are three drunk step Father users that we can

pretty much undoubtedly say were two six at some point. Um, they were Gerald Mink, JP four and Pierce Speculation is. Like I said, however, that Angel to six was it was their own person. We did an interview with one of the newer people who have been investigating this case on Reddit. This gentleman asked that we keep his identity a secret, So we're going to do that. Um, but here's what he had to say about two six. Angel two six was a to six. I mean, there's multiple

two sixes. They seem to be the ones that are curators for the I guess the it's hard to tell, Lara, it's for the actual image searching, or if it's for being curator for all the jobs that are listed. I'm kind of leaning towards Shade holding that job. But there were quite a few two sixes, so they have been shared and they responsibly shared. Did have to and my cancer by the end of you know, at the end of his life, so could have been passed on. That

was only this past year, so who knows. But there were at least a few people that had the two six roll, the first one being UM. I think it was Gerald Mank, which is actually an anagram of major current, but who knows that that's what that actually means. I mean, it's going to the military aspect of this, it could be.

But after him, it was it was this guy angel to six, like the angel to six, the one that announced that, you know, Religion of Peace slash milo um that he passed on, and after that it went to user jp Pour and then went on to it was a Pierce who was I think part of the organization just from what I just from what he was talking about on the forums, you know, talking about, you know, staging out of South Africa. But he may have just

been an old military guy. I've been met on one of the jobs and said, hey, check out his porn site, so it could be that um, and then he ended off the bishop. You know the thing, The interesting thing about this two six role is no one seems to hold it for more than a few months. It's always was constantly being passed on, which is there could be significance to that, maybe not, but it does seem interesting

that one person can't seem to hold it. So the things we know about TO six are that TO six was definitely involved in the messages that were written in the Root source. To six new Milo personally. At least one of the two six is new Milo personally. I am under the impression that all of the two sixes new Milo personally and TO six served in an army, but it's unclear what army, or if it's just generally a term for the military or even more like an

ira a army. But angel to six is chosen. Avatar was a line drawing of a bird of prey that was really really similar to the insignia of the slowest scouts of the Rhodesian Army, which is now Zimbabwe. That's sorry that Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe. That was that was a yeah, yeah, I got it. Sorry. So another person that's definitely involved with the root source messages is Shade. You'll see Hammer her probably him referenced to a lot, and it seems like they were the holder of the

purse strings kind of as it were. And you'll see what I mean when we kind of talk about the message out the accountant of the group kind of yeah. And then the last person is you Religion of Peace a K A Milo a k A Dutch Milo. And we've kind of covered him a little bit and we'll talk a little bit about him more in a minute. There's a lot of things about his history that I don't think are true. I don't think he was fourteen and joined the military to kill the Nazis. That's just

made up lore. I do, however, But the thing about it is that if he was born around nineteen thirty, would have joined about ninety four. By the time you got to basic training and all the other stuff, well, it's kind of too late to go fight the Nazis. Yeah, it would have been hard. But I do, however, think that he was actually military at one point, and you guys know why. But dear listeners, do you know why, well,

meet using a poet one. You can just kind of tell when you listen to somebody speak or read what they have to say, you can kind of pick up on certain things, especially if they're talking about prior military service or experience. You can tell if they're telling the truth or not. And oddly, I think this guy was, you know, um is weird of a character as this dude is. I mean, his jargon was just too accurate, and not only accurate, but but period specific to like

Vietnam era. He spoke in military jargon that was outdated to when I was in and I was in the like he said, it's probably military. Uh So we're gonna call xenophobe Zeno from now on because I don't want to say xenophobe fifty one every single time we talked about I totally trust Zeno's analysis of this. I reached out to a couple of our experts and had them read a lot of the postings and some of the stuff that Milo was talking about, and they also agree.

They thought that Milo was definitely military at some point, and they were able to also date him to kind of the same time period they that Zeno indicated to us as well, so it's corroborated throughout one more thing before we get into the messages. You guys know what an iron key is, right of course, you know that you've run the research on it. So an iron key is pretty much the most secure flash drive out there.

It's it comes standard with full encryption. They cost uh, usually more than six dollars usually, Yeah, and I think that the selling point of those is you have to have a password to get into it, and if you like is it, like, you get three tries and if and if you don't succeed on three tries, yeah, right, never to be accessed again. Yeah. I wonder how much the Hello Kitty one costs, probably even more, probably like

thousands of dollars. That's what I'm guessing. We should get some dude who would ever think that it was a secure USB drive if it looks like Hello Kitty, real camouflaws. Yeah, that's a good point, Hey, listeners, if you want to donate money to get Hello Kitty iron keys, we will send you something. Yeah. Probably. Okay, now that I know that I know what an i key is, and I definitely have to have one, absolutely, and actually it's it's

worth noting um. Some of our listeners may not be aware that you can have an entire operating system on a flash drive. These days, you can have It's basically you can have an entire computer on a flash drive and you just plug it into a computer and you have a totally different computer there. And that's hugely helpful if you're doing anything even remotely clandestine, because you just unplug it and there's no way to track it. It

never existed. Clever. Okay, So we're going to talk about the messages now when we're not going to go through all the messages because that would be pure insanity. Yeah, way, way too much. But we're going to go through them chronologically, which is the opposite way that you see them posted. And before we get into this, I want to thank Dan, Lorie, Greg and Nick for helping out with these. There are

some of our experts. They were so helpful. They tolerated me emailing them at all times the day being like wait and what about this? So it's super helpful for you. Know what happens when you sign up to be an next it is, Yeah, we annoy the crap out of you, We really do. And there's a really unique style that these are posted in, So we're going to read them sick eric script um, which is, you know, as they are written exactly Latin. An example is this, Joe, can

you read this one for us? Alright? Filled x x x x x X. Spec need to ink speaker private sec at c h W X must recent s or SPS preferred. So I'm gonna translate that for y'all because it's a little confusing. A translation of this would be filled specifications need two English speakers for private security posting at see hardware experience required, Special Boat service or U S. Navy Seals background preferred. Here's another one so that we can get a little more into the sense of it. Joe,

could you read this one too? Oh yeah, I'll leave the data here. Spec for slash team DASH three moths set gig fat c c W A plus no us W slash W spec forour or seven DP one week gig fluent English working for plus two week one quarter pay sequester on refusal bonus. Okay, so this one even more confusing somehow. So this one reads specifications need a four person team for a three month security job with a federal concealed carry weapons permit. Anyone with a us

A want or warrant need not apply. These four people will work seven on diplomatic protection. If you refuse after learning all the details, you will be sequestered or sit out for two weeks while the job is being done by others, and you will lose one quarter of your standard salary during that time. Wait, so the thing that it calls out here, what is it? The federal concealed carry weapons permit? Okay, weapons permits are issued by states right now, Yeah, so what what is I've never heard

of the federal I have none. I haven't either. I haven't either. I think the it's the best of my knowledge, no sense thing exists, at least in the you ask. Yeah, I think that. I mean, if you're if you're a law enforcement or ex law enforcement, say like you know anything from secret Service to FBI to just a city cop. I believe, even though there isn't an actual card that you carry around, I believe you more or less have a federal carrier. Well that's what your ID badge. Saying

that you're active in that organization would be equivalent. Tough, But I've never heard of I'm going to go out and just get this thing. I don't think, as far as I know, there is no such thing. I mean, you have you have your FBI agents running around with guns, you know, but they don't you know, their FBI I D isn't enough for that. They don't need to get the extra permit. Well, maybe next time I meet one, I'll ask for it. Yeah, do that mold, Yeah, So

have note. Um these posts did change. It's hard, you know, because we're looking at this historically and we can only look at what was archived. So one of the big questions I had when I first started researching this case was did these posts change or was it just like this standing archive? And Zeno told us that he and the other users that were investigating this did actually see the post changed. And so how long did that go

on for? I mean between this time they started looking at it and they watched them change and then finally they replaced with the encryption. How long How long a period were they watching? Not long? I don't have an explicit date for you, but it wasn't was I would say maybe a month. Okay, so we're actually talking about her of weeks they somebody caught on. As far as I can tell yeah, but like I said, I don't have an explicit date for you unfortunately, so we've had

these translated, and as to their authenticity. Zeno has some things to say about that somebody had discovered in the source code of the root directory of Lake City Quiet Pills dot Com hidden what appeared to be a hidden forum or a job posting board, and uh, you know, I I thought that was very strange. So I went to the root of that directory or the root of that website myself and and look at the source and sure enough, there it all was. And I read through

it all. And you know, at that time, you know, none of the people's theories had really developed yet, you know, I mean, this was right when it happened, so um, you know that nobody knew well I shouldn't say nobody, but very few people were kind of privy to the fact that a lot of what was what they were seeing in there looked like little nuggets of military jargon

or some kind of military thing going on there. When I when I read through it, I kind of got the feeling that what I was looking at was a sort of under the table kind of mercenary sort of things that I was looking at you know, like, I'm guessing that most of these people were just working jobs where they were doing armed security for people in strange places, and they may have been doing some kind of It sounds so stupid to say this stuff, but it sounds

like they were doing some kind of black water type contracting. Okay, so I'm going to have Joe or Steve, whichever one feels like reading these, read these so you don't have to keep listening to my pleasant time. Okay, I'll go for um. Shade is maintaining the calendar and access to the file dump. Angel has the job postings for EU and Asia. We're we aren't sending anyone to emmy. No one don't ask for listings, so we can probably figure

out what this means, right. The translation is fairly simple that, um, well it's Europe in Asia. Yeah, there's job postings for Europe and Asia. They're not sending it anyone to the Middle East total least. Okay, thank you. I couldn't. I couldn't wrap my head around any for some reason. Yeah, so Angel has the listings, Shade is maintaining the access calendar and the file dumps. It's Shade is kind of doing the accounting, hr Bit angels doing the actual postings.

Next post, seventeen July two thousand nine. I'm sorry to tell you that old Milo died yesterday. He went quiet and calm, not like we all figured. I gave the fat MAINI cat of his little girl next door, no services or nothing, you know, Milo, I'm taking his ashes back to where his farm was. Close to it any way, there's a mall where his place was, so hoist. If you for the old man, remember what he said, keep

the faith with the man who's got your back. Um. This post actually coincides exactly, of course, with the post on Reddit um that to six made saying that the time that's the exact same day, similar information uh down to the mall. Information actually on the Reddit thread to six gives uh geographic coordinates for the final resting place of Milo and reaction to kind of a troll comment. There's a little thread there where somebody basically says like Milo was a jerk, and to six says, you know,

screw you, not screw you, but screw you. He was my friend, and um, they get into a little argument and to six says this is the final resting place and and post actual um longitude and latitude coordinates. Why did you do that? That's a really really good question though. No, and actually that's one of the biggest questions in my mind,

is why would you do that? And then Joe knows this really well, Steve you a little bit, know that Joe and I for the past couple of weeks actually have been doing really really extensive research into this parcel of land, kind of crazy levels of extensive research. We pulled well, yeah, I mean we pulled deeds, We looked at census information, We tracked down every single trace with the help of one of our other experts, Vanessa Um.

And I'm I'm willing to say, I'm if not more sure that Milobe never had any connection to this parcel of lands. Yeah, I think that. I think we wasted our time with all that. I think we actually, I guess I wouldn't say it was a waste of time because we were able to really definitively say this post of these coordinates don't actually have anything to do with this case, which is almost weirder, like he just went

on a Google Earth and randomly picked a spot coordinate. Yeah, but he happened to get a location that is really close to a place where a boy's orphanage existed in the nineteen thirties and forties in that area. You know, it's this weird, pretty well researched spot that leads to a million dead ends that we followed up all of really genuinely, we did so much research. We felt like crazy people a little bit. But by the way, the spot is like just south of Gettysburg. Yeah, it's just

south of Getinsburg next to an LMO. But those were the coordinates that were posted, and we did do a lot of research and I am really, really really confident that that had nothing to do with Milo. Well, if you're trying to keep Milo's identity of secret, you know, why would you be posting the coordinates to a place that he used to live. Yeah, but also why would you be posting coordinates at all? Because the question prior to to six giving this information wasn't like, oh yeah,

well tell me where you buried him. It was just like this guy was kind of a skis and to six was like, well here's his final resting. Like there's no reason for it was there was just a way to end the conversation, running out with the just maybe just a little red herring that sent us all off wasting our time trying to track down property records. Ye, kind of a little bit maybe. Yeah, that's that one

out the window. Next post thirty September two nine. For those who have asked, I brick Milo's iron key the same day, all as well filled x x x x x spec need for inch speaker DP no us W slash W. So people have pointed out that they think this is strange because an organization that uses iron keys shouldn't also need a posting board like this to be maintained, right, And our experts differed on opinions. And we'll get to this in a little bit. Yeah, okay, I'll hold the Yeah, yeah,

we'll talk about that in a little bit. So next posting this is this is also by six correct. All of these, as far as I can tell, are by two six. But there's no explicit definition of who's posting anything on these and these are all on that root source code. Again, I gotta say his leaves a lot to ball right now, okay, okay, me like reading text messages from family members. Four Nov. Two thousand nine, Milo's

will cleared probate. Surprise, Milo was loaded email Shade. If we set you out in two thousand five dash two thousand nine, Shade will have checks cut for you. Amount is by how many times, not by pay. Total small share is three slash four k. Okay. So Milo's will cleared probate in four months, which suggests a couple of things. Surprise surprise with a Z and an I in the beginning, I like the way spells probate. Yeah, my god, I didn't even notice that. Yeah, because I spelled it the

same way. That's probably why you didn't notice it. Yeah. Pro That would be a great name for a big shop. Oh my gosh, you're right. It's almost like it's pro bass. Yeah anyway, So okay, So this being cleared in four months tells us a couple of things. And this comes from our expert Nick, who's a lawyer, but not uh he's not in a state lawyer and not in Pennsylvania. So um, these could be wrong. And if you know more about this, then we do. Please let us know. Pennsylvania,

by the way, is where the coordinates were at. Yeah, okay, so it's one assumes that I I sadly as Joe said Gettysburg. I was rattling my brain going, oh, hell, I don't remember you as history. What state was ending. I'm a little embarrassed by that. Pennsylvania. Yeah, okay. So the executor of the will knew where the will was, was in the area and acted immediately upon Milo's death. The will covered the entire estate and there was no

no one contesting the will or the estate. That sounds to me like Milo probably didn't have any olives anyway, right, uh. And it was a simple estate with no real estate or um and only personal property, so no bonds, no holdings in other companies, things like that. That makes sense. The estate was easy to liquidate, so if it was it was a house that was ready to sell. It was stuff that could be auctioned off really quickly. Things

like that. Milo very likely, as Joe mentioned, had no family to contest the will because it cleared in four months. It would mean that the executor there was nobody who was going to say, like, no, the executor isn't going to do that thing. Dear God, if you want to see the worst come on people, especially when there's a whole bunch of money involved. Yeah, okay, And then the other thing is that in Pennsylvania, assuming that the will was in Pennsylvania. I don't have any reason to believe

that other than the coordinates were there. But okay, so we're making an assumption on the state that this happened. I'm just making that assumption. Yeah, in Pennsylvania, creditor can wait up to a year to make a claim against the estate, So there had to be uh like really reason bulk confidence that that wouldn't happen in order for the executor to have liquidated all of Milo's holdings so quickly.

This post also suggests that maybe they're taking care of some back payments to contractors and but it's not clear to me if they're using the money as bonuses based on send outs or if it's if they owed contractors back payments on salaries. But it does indicate that contractors are being held on salary or retainer. To me, Okay, I'm not quite sure that I understand the back pay thing, because four years is a hell of a long time for back pay, right But I get peeved when i'm

too when somebody's two months behind. So it's maybe that they were paying them, you know, three quarters of what they were owed or half of what they were owed or something like that, instead of we're not paying you anything because we can't afford to pay you anything. Right, I understand the theory, I can't understand it working for that long. Well. And in fairness, it's not as though you can go out to like Monster dot Com if you're a contractor or mercenary. Right, it's not like you're

going to be like, bah screw of these guys. They're giving me only like four jobs a year. Can't make that work anymore on the salary they're paying me. I'm gonna go to Monster dot com and find a new job. Actually that's not true because okay, let's let's take the mercenary part out. So let's ignore. I know, when you do the reading, there's all this their assassin's talk. Let's take that out. Okay, we're there's talking here about security,

all right. Major corporations have operations all over the world that they need security people for. And I don't mean just a guy standing with a badge at the gate. I mean, you know, in dangerous territrizing. Yeah, and those people are always in demand. So that's a that's an industry that's easy to job hop. I mean I've known

guys who they would go. I think this guy went to South Africa for two or three months at a time and then would come home for a month, and then his employer missed him off, so he switched to another I think it was an oil company or something. He switched to another company. So we think so that that's total and that's good information to know. I think it's then it's more likely that they were paying out bonuses. That's kind of what I was thinking, was it was

a bonus thing. Okay, Yeah, I just the best bothered me. That's why I didn't just from good information to have. I don't know anybody in the contracting sector. I don't know how. Oh yeah, I know, I do remember how anything. Okay, now that we've got that settled salaries contractor next post twelve j Happy New Year, a year, Hapy new year everyone. We're having a birthday party for the old man on

the nineteen. Party starts at fifteen hundred at the usual Send your rs VP to shade f y I. We're booking a room for three days for anyone coming from out of area and overnight for locals. Come hoist one for Dutch Milo. So here's where some really interesting conspiracy stuff starts to come into play. It suggested that Milo's birthday was January eighteen thirty. I followed a trail to agree that he was probably born in January nine thirty. Come from well, because I saw that. I saw that trail.

I don't know where the nineteenth comes from. But something else kind of interesting happened on January nineteenth th ten and included at least thirty three people, probably a few more, and they were all using fake passports. And more on that later. So next post. Yeah, okay, eighteen jan we got thirty eight rooms in the Marriott on forty six Shade has the key cars for locals Perne pick up at the party on Perenne dot uh, give your travel name to the desk and that's it. No idea needed

since we're covering the bill. Keep the room service under five okay, the phones there are not secure. Thus from the hotel. Leafs at car service vouchers for return trip when you're ready to crash. Don't d u I fouchers with the WY. That's the British spelling about youer, I don't think so. With a W yeah, w travel name all obviously in case anybody was wondering, is pseudo name

in case somebody didn't put that together. This post captivates people because there's just enough information for you to speculate wildly, but not enough information to confirm anything. The Marriott in question is most certainly not in Pennsylvania. There's a Marriott in downtown New York City on Street. The one of the most expensive rooms is four hundred and twenty four dollars and eight. Wait, why why did Pennsylvania come into that when you were saying where it was? Like? Why?

I'm assuming there was speculation that this Marriott was in Pennsylvania, which we've we talked about for where Milo was supposedly buried, right, And that's it's because it's the continuation of that. The The assumption is that since Milo was from Pennsylvania, that the party would have been in Pennsylvania. And actually there's a Highway forty six that run through Pennsylvania, so people assumed that it was the Marriott Street Highway forty six.

But I've looked at the rates there and it's not. Let's get into the next post and then we'll continue to discuss, ok, yeah, sorry, Yeah. And the thing about it is too, is that if you're gonna have a blowout party for a bunch of like a bunch of anonymous mercenary type guys, you know you want to have it in New York City where nobody pays attention to anything. And we'll talk about why New York City in a minute. Let's read the next one and then we'll talk more

about this. Okay to party bills, here is the final for the party. Hotel rooms three forty one, limo six thousand, eight, bus bar bill eight ninety. I like that. Yeah, must have been a great party. Yeah. Food eight thousand and thirty, dancers three hundred, Miss Landious tips it fifty Miss Landious expenses forty medical supplies on uh fat, Tommy and stwo are okay too. So I don't know what happened there. Maybe we're gonna talk about that and got into it

a little bit. Total thousand eighty dollars you all did, Dutch, Milo proud, Thanks see sezee you guys. Math. Let's math real quick, let's math. Yeah, let's math. Three hundred and forty one divided by thirty eight, which is the number of rooms they got divided by three, which is the number of nights they said they were going to get. Is four hundred and twenty four dollars and a little bit of change, which is what the most expensive room

at the Marriott on forty six in New York City costs. Okay, granted, granted they don't have thirty eight of those rooms, and they were only going to get one night for locals. Okay, thank you. I was I was gonna say, wait, but not everybody staged it. But that and and and that's the current rate, right five years later, that's the rate for the Marriott loves to up their press. Yeah, and it's one. It is genuinely one of the most expensive rooms.

So it's hard to find the math behind that. I'm sure there are some combination of the rooms if somebody wanted to sit and really go through that and find out what the number was, what the rooms cost at that time. I'm confident to say that if this party happened, it happened on st at that Marriott, or that's where they were staying at least. I I like New York City, you know, because of some of the reasons that Joe

was kind of talking about earlier. It's a big city, it's centrally located, it's really easy to blend in, it's really easy to get to for international or or uh national people, and you know, it's it's a party city. A huge party like that wouldn't really be a huge deal. People wouldn't bat a eye at it, for instance. So yeah, so they had a party for Dutch mile Yeah. Yeah, I'll also add that, Um, I think this means that they're like at least seventy six members of this group.

And yeah, well you I guess one presumes that, um, they're probably getting double occupancy rooms. That's my map. I mean, that's my assumption that you would get a double occupancy room. And if you're getting thirty eight rooms, that's about seventy six people. And additionally, they paid uh thousand and eighty dollars like it was nothing for a party and then gave at least three thousand dollars to seventy six members, probably more more than seventy six members. What organization just

puts out what the party costs, right, right? I mean I worked for a corporation and they put on an event, and I never go to human resources and say so how much. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure what that is either. I mean, I could see where he would if he's telling the guy who's who's cutting the checks, well, here's what here's what it was. I'll send you to receipts later and for the cost. But does he need to tell everybody that. I don't think so, but I don't know it does It does look like a message for

everybody that yeah, you all did Dutch Milo proud. Thanks. Is not that would be addressed to multiple people. Yeah, it maybe he just wanted to like let people know, hey, people be grateful. We spend a ton of money and you Yeah, maybe that's what it was. So the math equals out to that Milo had at least a half million dollars probably more, probably more like at least a million dollars to his name in assets when he died.

That's factory in the onnuses that people were told. Well, that's what I'm saying is that like if all seventy six minimum members were getting paid out minimum, the three thousand dollars plus the cost of the party, it's that equals out to be like like for four thousand dollars something like that, almost half a million dollars. And you know, you don't know what my, my, those final wishes were to You might have you might have had a couple of million more. You just wanted that to go to

too six and Shade or something something like that. Yeah, and then also of note Tommy and Fat Stew got injured. A hundred and eighty dollars is a lot to spend on medical supplies, A lot to spend a medical supplies, because I'm imagining you like go to the local local Walgreens and like get some medical supplies, like unless you're buying like an A five machine, if you're just getting some band aids and gauze. Hundred eight dollars is so

much money to spend on medical supplies. And yeah, if you go to if you go to the e Er, it's not very much. It's at all for the e it's not that much. But I've been to you know, the Walgreens or whoever whatever your big pharmacy at store is, and it's not uncommon to walk through and see the

average price. And that's this is here Importland. So I understand prices very all over the country, but in Portland, average price of things to run from ten to forty or fifty dollars an item, depending on what you're getting. So it could be that there was a couple of expensive things. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe somebody had to be allergy and those things aren't cheap. I don't know, it wasn't a b allergy thing. Don't write us in and say, Steve, you can't get that over

the counter. I know you can't. The point is there are things that are really stupidly expensive over the counter, and it might not have been a whole bunch of stuff. I guess for me, we're talking like first aid stuff. You're not gonna go and say, like we spent a hundred and eighty dollars on ad bill, right, It's like stuff we needed to make sure that bleeding stopped for a minute. Yeah, it might be that, just it's one of those things. It's like if you if there were

hotel supplied supplies. Yeah, so it's like everybody rated the first aid box in their room. How could have been that or it could have just been that, you know, it's it's just like reading the mini bar in your room. I mean, you pay stupidly, stupidly huge amounts of money for you know, not that much. Well, so the thing I was going to bring up is that to me, this post reads that Fat Tommy and Stu went to the hospital or went someplace else that medical supply does

not apply to them because of the next post. I will agree with that. Okay, Okay, so yeah, let's talk. Let's read the next post. Okay. Nineteen February news Mad insurance went up. Sorry me and Shade cut our take by five percent to help cover the tab. You pay two percent more. Filled x x x x X spec Immediate need for Korean fluent Korean slash dialect, slash accent details after contact, six week half paste equester on refusal six mode gig bonus. So do you feel like we

need to translate that posting Maybe a little bit. So, yeah, so it would be filled, which because it was filled right um. Specification immediate need for people who are fluent in Korean. They need to be fluent in Korean with a specific dialect or accent and those details will be given after contract. If you refuse that contract after be given the details, you're going to be sequestered on half pay for six weeks. The gig is six months and you'll get a bonus. We talked about this, this whole

sequester thing. Yet it sounds like yeah, if if it's a secret thing, they like scuirrel, you away somewhere or so you can't talk or call or anybody. I'm trying to figure out, is it that or is it a salary thing? You know, like you get X amount every month? The let's just say I get two grand a month for being something and I'm gonna lose PAF of my my salary for six weeks. If I that's actually that's

a good question for me. I go one of two ways. Either, uh, these people are paid salary all the time, right, And if they say oh, yeah, I'll do that job and they found out the details and they say oh, actually I won't do that job, their salary gets cut and they get put on this sequester of the they're not eligible for any more jobs than likely they have to be watched to make sure that they're not going to talk about the jobs that they learned about for X

number of months. Or you say you know you're not you don't have a salary. The salary comes in with the job. You say yeah, I'll take that job. You learn the details. You say, actually I won't take that job, and they say, okay, you're not eligible for a job for the next whatever, but you'll get paid half of the salary that we were offering you in the interim to make it worth your while. The salary we were offering you for the job or just your normal salary.

We either wouldn't in that instance, there wouldn't be a normal salary. See, okay, now that I will agree with your first version. The second version doesn't work. No, I agree, but I go back and forth a little bit, because, like you were saying, there's so much need that it would be possible for you to just kind of take whatever job you wanted. I don't that. I just don't think these guys were these ads were for like salary

jobs where the guys getting paid annual salary. I think it's just a contractor kind of gig where you know, you get six months or six weeks or whatever, you get paid this amount this amount of money for doing this job. And as far as your food refusal it goes.

I mean, I'm not sure you know exactly. I guess that means that for whatever reason you refuse to do the job, then then they squirrel you away somewhere they sequest to you, and they still pay you some money, you know, And that's the second option, right, So you guys are torn between both options. Yeah, I mean, it's just it doesn't financially, it doesn't make sense to me to have a guy read the details of a job, squirrel him away, pay for him wherever you've squirreled him away,

and then pay him for being in that place. Well, you want to pay him for that. I mean, if if it's a sensitive mission, right and he could totally screw it up in the first six weeks, You're not gonna say, Okay, thanks for your time. By after he knows the details, you're gonna say, okay, I hear you. You don't want to do this weird blackwater potentially killing children operation. Okay, you're going to go sit in that hotel room for six weeks, no contact with anybody from

the outside world. But we will pay you just to swait in a little bit, a little bit of money to make it worth your while. And I think this is the kind of thing if you're setting up kind of a bad incentive system for people to just show up and say, yeah, tell me about it. I'm not interested, but I was like, dude, I'm never going to go on a mission. Yeah exactly, but I'm assuming that. I'm assuming that if you refuse more than a couple of times,

they probably like that as well. Yeah, it's got you know, I mean, the easy option is all right, I'm gonna take three jobs a year. I'm gonna turn down three jobs a year or whatever it is, and so I'm still gonna be making okay money, but I can slide by like it just doesn't make any sense. I agree. I lean more towards the you get paid a salary, like, no matter what, especially the health insurance thing, that you

get paid an annual salary. And then if you refuse a job, it's a question, you know, you only make half of what you would usually make for that amount of time. I don't. I don't really think so myself, because I mean, it sounds like they've got so many different guys that they've got these guys on a salary for, you know, when when they're not sending out that often. Really um so it just seems it seems to be careful of going down making that assumption that the posts

that we see are the only jobs that they had. Well. Additionally, I think there's something to be said for saying, Okay, you're going to make fifty year or you know, a hundred thousand dollars a year. If a single job pays your organization for hundred thousand dollars, half a million, a million dollars, the people who are collecting that money are still making a buttload of money on you and paying

you whatever. So I think there's I have no idea what jobs like this pay on either end, you know, what people are willing to pay for these services or what people are paid for these services. And I think there is totally the opportunity there for saying we're gonna pay you a totally decent annual salary, you know, depending on how many jobs you do. You know, you're required to do this many jobs a year or something like that, right, your requires to five jobs a year or work x

number of months or something like that. And we make so much money on this thing that it's okay that we're paying the salary even if you're not working. You know, I think there's probably a fair margin of air there. Yeah, I'm gonna stick with my side, but hey, yeah, and I think, so let's talk about the health insure. It's because yeah, next the next little bit on this. Yeah, we're talking about this post. Sure, it seems like fat Tommy and Stu had to make a claim against their insurance,

which would likely have caused insurance to go up. And it means that something bigger went down than just the hundred and eighty dollars and maybe the hundreds and eighty dollars in medical supplies was for everyone else, something kind of big, like maybe a big fight or something happened and two guys had to be hospitalized and the rest of them were like, all right, butterfly bandages and gauze.

That's going to get us through. I think the medical insurance going up was not related to the events of the post, because I mean, in sharance, companies don't find stuff out that fast and they don't move that fast. Yeah, this is but ten days twenty days later, yeah, not even yeah, like two weeks. And I was going to say, is that you would have to have an extremely small pool of members. That's what healthy companies call them. Your member pool would have to be super small for two

people making claim to change your rate. I mean yeah, but still the and the other thing here is, uh, the nineteen that was seventeen days after we not now, okay, that was a month after. It's it's highly likely that the insurance company at that point had not even received any claims for the incident on the nineteen that happened. So yeah, I think it was just unrelated. That's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so there's more job postings until March twelfth of two

thousand ten. So that's there's the answer to the question of how long was it before the um the post started to become encrypted? Because on March the posts started becoming encrypted because the people who were running that old guy's image posting discovered that the general population of Reddit had realized that there was some stuff being posted in

the source code and they were reading it and analyzing. Yeah, so they decided to Like, so we're looking at eight or nine months, eight or nine months maybe, but again I don't have I don't have good dates for the actual first date that it was discovered. I'm only making that up based off of one of our posts that we have in the notes that we have here versus this date, and that's about eight or nine months yeah,

close enough, close enough, less than a year. We start with encrypted hashes these UM, and the pads at the top of the text is like really really bizarre. We get things like don't Joe do you want to read these? Yeah? Yeah, Samuel Roger Basker flogger pinochet yeah, or and then upscale triangle topical tangent mars like what is going? They are

their tongue twisters. They're really good alliteration, but they don't correspond with any phonetic alphabet out there, obviously, because you've got three t s in a row and they're using different words for um. You know, they're daily pads. They've got to be their daily at least. Yeah. Do you

put your path out there for ever to see you though? Well, that's a good question, right, And UM, as far as I know, none of them, none of these have ever been decrypted, because after that it actually changed to a long string of numbers UM. And then after that it changed to a totally different kind of encryption. UM. In fact, here's what you had to say about this, And I think what they did was they switched over to PGP, which is a lot more accessible really than trying to

sit there and decrypt something you know by hand. You can just use your pgp ky you know to do it in a text document. There's a thread on drunk Stepfather discussing the fate of that old guy's image hosting slash the Lake City Quiet Pills dot com and and many of the users on drunk Stepfather, like we said, we're associated with the Lake City Quiet Pills group, not all of them were. I'm pretty sure that the user

Madame Miao was not Madame Yao. However, did eventually gain control of City Quiet fiels dot com and then, according to our anonymous Reddit user, I would say around actually so very recently, the server crashed and then they lost every bit of pictures on it. I don't think they're part about since, as far as I can tell um, the posts on the roots source stopped pretty quickly after

they'd been discovered, even the encrypted ones. It's likely that the group decided or realized that they needed to be a little more sophisticated than whatever they were doing. Uh and their theories out there that the images themselves contained additional information, but I don't I'm not sure about that.

I think it's an interesting theory, but I also think I don't know, maybe it seemed like it was safe to hide in plain site or I mean, I mean, okay, so like who's going to dig into the source code of like an image site, like a porn image site. Realistically, I mean, yeah, that is that is hiding plane site. But putting the you know what is the process us when you put the information in an image? I can't remember what that's called, and I can't remember either, Okay.

The point is that seems like if if they're using such a simple system of what we've seen to put this information out there, that suddenly seems like a massively more sophisticated way to go about it by putting it into the images. So yeah, so actually there they're too.

Really two interesting theories about this, and the first one was suggested to me by our expert Lori, who is she's been a computer science professor for like twenty years or something like that, and she thought that maybe it was like a holding tank, like they were just dumping this information into the root source code that's kind of

an archive almost. However, since she suggested that, we've learned that users did see these things updated, it was things would change to fill there would be new posting that it's not really good. It's almost a log file, is what she was getting at it. It was logging it and just dumping it in and it would just keep putting new stuff at the top, or that it well, that it was an archive, that like that it was dumped off of an iron key to archive at someplace

else for instance. Yeah, but like I said, since we did see it updated, or since I didn't, but since it was seen updated, and there's there's some series right that it was just accidentally. Yeah, so let's actually cut to Zeno. He has a really really really interesting theory about this. I think what was happening was that this stuff was being put into the into the root of

the websites comments, the htmail comments by accident. I don't think that that was actually where they were posting this stuff. I think I think that it was some kind of error. You know, I used to do a limited amount of web programming when I first got out of the military as one of my you know, in a previous career

of mine, I did a little bit of PHP. And I think what was going on was that when they developed that website badly at first, because it was clearly, clearly you know, kind of shade tree construction going on there, that they had done something where it was supposed to comment, you know, it's supposed to to to write out those comments just as a testing teacher, and they forgot to remove it. One of the other users in that forum mentioned, oh,

I fixed it. Then you know it shouldn't appear there anymore, you know, like that, you know, as if you know, the encryption wasn't working, and now it is kind of thing, but it's just weird enough that I think it makes people developed even stranger theories, like well, then he's also hosting this web this image hosting site, you know, this religion and peace guy, and I think that it's not just so that he can post his pornography and his jail bait pictures, but also so that he can post

steganography um and put hidden messages inside jpeg and gift images and stuff. And I don't know that that's what was going on. I kind of doubt it. These guys don't seem like they were that tex savvy, to be honest. I mean, if if if they were posting their job board in the comments of their main page, then yeah,

I don't think tegonography is in their vocabulary. Okay. So anyways, in spite of five years of work, I mean a lot of users have looked into this, and it has been at least five six years worth of work, there's been almost no movement on the case since, uh, since it was first discovered. I suspect it might be at a dead end. So theories, please, theories. First, Let's talk about this bank thing. It's just a little weird. I don't I didn't really know where to put it other

than theories, but it's an interesting tidbit. The bank thing, so who is was run on Lake City Quiet Hills dot com back in uh two thousand nine, and it yielded some really interesting results. Let's just let Zeno tell it real quick. It gets a lot weirder. You know, when we looked at I think we looked at it who is of the uh Lake Cities Quiet Pills dot com domain, and it kind of led us back to a bank that had Israeli connections. And then but it was just like a small obscure bank branch. And uh.

Then you know the whole assassination date being party and all that. It's so so plausible when you read through the timeline of the assassination and uh kind of you know, the number of people that were involved, Like that assassination was executed by thirty three people, thirty five if you count the two Palestinians that were arrested. All of them had fake passports. And we're from all over the world, some from Austria, some from Australia, some from you know,

all of our Europe, and some from the United States. Yeah. I remember it leading to a bank in the Midwest that had ties to Israel, and beyond that, I can't remember. I just remember it was a small, small bank. It wasn't like big national size bank. There's a small local bank with TYSDA Israel. The so I know, you know, there's the who is and which just who is is kind of the the Internet equivalent of the phone book. This phone number belongs to this person. Yeah, it's the

very simple version of whose website is this? Okay, But there are services out there that you can purchase that mask you. So, you know, my my IP address of my server is blah blah blah blah blah, but this masking service covers that and says that it's actually something different which is under this kind of umbrella organization. But will that will that re route who is? Yes, Okay,

that's the point of these services. So let's say that I start a website and I think that it's funny to put up all these scheezy photos of these girls that I take on the street, and the website is called Thinking Side with Podcast, and you know, and I decide it's probably not good if people know that where you know that I own it because I have a job that's a respectable professional thing. But my perverse thing to do is take up shots. Okay, Well I don't

want them to know that. So I'm gonna go ahead and take this service, which web hosts offer at an obscenely cheap rate, like pennies on the dollar cheap, and it will bounce that so that you're under something else. So nobody knows that I Steve own that image site. It goes under this other thing. So that's that's the one thing that I thought about after the conversation with Zeno, is I wonder it seems likely, right? I mean, it's not. There was no attempts to hide the fact that Milo

owned that site. It was attributed to him. No, explicitly. Nobody ever said, like, I don't know, I could do that with my website. Yeah, no, totally. I could say Steve the Skis totally owns this website, but no one knows who Steve the Skis in. Yeah. Absolutely, and I totally agree with that. It's just it's yeah, yeah, I mean that's but that's really good information. It's just something

to keep in mind. It's interesting on either end. Right, Either a bank with ties to Israel owned this, which w yeah, or uh, there was a mask that happens and who decided the masket by putting it at a bank in Israel? That's a really that's a that's a great joke, but kind of a sick joke. Also another weird. It's just weird, weird, weird, weird altogether. Okay, So, um, I guess, as theories go, typical of Devon, a couple just big headers and tons of bullets. So let's say

me pills, you start calling them quiet pills. Yeah, let's let's say it's real. Yeah, yeah, sure, I think it's real. Um, I think it's real. I just think it was a private sector maybe some blackwater stuff. And as Zeno said, it's it's probably not explicit like assassin work. Now, I doubt that. But as far as the assassins go, yeah, that's a pretty huge stable of assassins to have, it is. Yeah, really kind of a lot. But he like to have

that many assassins available to me. I guess. Um. While we're talking about assassins, though, remember how a couple, Oh, I guess it was more than a couple. A while ago, I was talking about how something else really interesting happened on January nineteen, all the people to fake passports. Yeah, so you may or may not know that. On January ten, the same day as the quote unquote party was happening, thirty five people using fake passports murdered the co founder

of the military wing of Hamas. His name was Mahmud al Mabou. This whole unsolved. It's a whole unsolved mystery in and of itself. It's a huge rabbit hole unsolved mystery, the assassination of this gentleman. Yeah, this is what I want to cover one of these videos. Yeah, this is a great mystery for Joe. But there is a theory out there that the Lake City quiet Pills were part of the organization that killed him. So maybe the party

wasn't actually in New York at all. Yeah, and it does, I mean, it does seem unlikely, but the post does really suspiciously correspond with the fact that I don't know you. You know, it would also explain the money. It would explain the money makes way more sense and the locals, you know, I mean, okay, let's let's go back to that threat that post were we've got rooms for out of towners, which is people who aren't in that area, who are traveling international for this job. And the locals

get a one day like that. That suddenly makes the money work out so much better. Yeah, there's a lot, a lot of stuff. And it also makes sense why you would post the money because this was a huge operation. Could have been their first time doing something on that scale. So, hey, guys, we're on the up and up. I know there was talk from Billy over the corner that we were doing something funny before we give him a quiet pill. We just wanted to prove that we were straight up with

the money. Yeah. Yeah. The interesting thing though, is that you know, the people who are most motivated to murder the leader of the MOSS would be the Israelis. Yeah, which is actually is really interesting because the bank. Well yeah, it's interesting because of the bank, but also it's interesting because a lot of people were using Palestinian passports. These people were some of them, I mean, they were all fake.

All of the passports were fake. They were stolen from people. Again, I don't want to go too deep into this, but they were stolen from people who were mostly dual citizens European and Israeli. Yeah. Um, and it was it was like thirty three people. It was like this huge operation. I'm sure we'll cover this at some point because it is this like huge mystery. But again, Zeno had some interesting things to say about this. You know, the dates

are the same. They're talking about having thirty something hotel rooms. Um, they're talking about the party starting at a certain time, and this started at a certain time on their timeline. Uh, like uh, it all started really um for the team in Dubai around two pm. You know that that kind of roughly maps to the planet they were given the day before. And some people said, well, you know, who would give them all their orders like literally the day

before or on the day of. That doesn't make any sense. Well, it just could have been loose reminders like hey, these are just your quick final instructions that they knew the deal before they went you know this, This was just like okay, guys, final final notes before we go again. I do think that this was a real thing. I don't think necessarily that they were involved with the assassination in Dubai, but it's definitely plausible given the overlapping information.

I do think though, that they were involved in hiring mercenary types or armed security types for different things throughout the world. Whether they were for the good guys or the bad guys or the indifferent guys. Who knows. So the next theory is that it's a hoax. It probably I don't think it is. I don't you know what. The thing that I asked you to squirrel away earlier

is that there's proof, like definitive. You can see it find it still to this day, proof that somebody with the domain with an email at Lakesy Quiet Pills dot com was posting on FARC as early as two thousand and one. That's a fourteen far long hoax. We're talking at this point. That's a really long hoax, but a long con It's a long, long comment. The thing about think about it is too, is if you're doing a long com, you're gonna like set up a website dedicated

to this. It's not just that you're not just gonna leave it on Reddit, right, And you're also not going to let the website go defunct like they did with Lake City quite PILs dot com. Well, I mean that that actually could be a part of the strategy, is like you let the way let the website go away. Yeah, it's like, well we went away and we want somewhere

else because of security considerations. But then you're still going to set up a couple of websites elsewhere We're going to discuss this huge unsolved mystery and try to get it publicized. You're gonna try to create a Wikipedia page for it. Most this thing doesn't have So if it was a long con, it's not very good. Yeah, not really, but I haven't done it right. My other thing is is that like the the the age of that at

Lake City Pills dot com address. I manage a lot of websites for people, you know, It's just part of what I do. And I have folks that use emails through their website and they've had that website for getting close to a decade. Now all of their email goes through it. Do you know what what we've done to update their website in the last eight years. Not a damn thing. I mean, really, the website could go away for all I care and be just a blank page. They're just using it as a way to get their

email because they like having their own email. This goes the opposite way. But I'm saying the age of it is that it may have started as just let's just start this thing, and we did this, and it wasn't you know, the website sucked because you know what, angel to six, you're terrible at building website. But hey, at least we got an email account, and now we all have our email accounts. I don't want to get rid of my email account because that's such a pain in

the butt to tell everybody where I'm at. I can't forward it because you'll kill it. So it I do this all the time, and I know I tries people nuts, but I just look at it from the kind of the ocums raiser, the simplest lazy perspective. They did this thing. It's there, it's kind of cheap just keep using it and then at some point somebody hacked it or somebody took it over and turned it into this other thing,

into a hoax. Well, yeah, turn it into this this you know, got in there and built something else on top of it. Yes, I mean, I think it's just weird that they're I mean, you know, like on any form you see right that you've got those users who have their like little little animated picture and they're like, yeah, but the fact that the sign off was dispensing Lake City Quiet pills to unlucky blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah, since whatever. Yeah, the fact that it was so connected to the stuff that was happening in the root source, it just it seems like too big. Like if we're gonna go Acom's razor, the simplest explanation is that it's all real. It's not that somebody later took this and did a hoax on top of it to like create this one thing. I'm gonna let it go. We could argue that back and forth, we can, and it's gonna get us nowhere. That's so I'm gonna I'm

just gonna let it go. I don't think that that's the case. But moving forward, what is I don't know if there anymore in this the whole hoax arena, No, no, I just I was the only thing I was gonna say is that how many people have actually gone into the HTML and seeing this stuff and themselves on Lake City Quite Pills. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like there's any more than dozens. I would say a lot.

I'm being conservative. So it did exist then, absolutely, Yeah, that way, I guess, kind of arguing, guess, I guess it being a hoax, so there's still a strange communication system they had going there. It is again, it's you know, totally possible, as you know, positive that it was just a accident. Yeah, possible. Yeah. So the one last theory that we have is that it's an ergy. No freaking way Field, I didn't know we were still connected to

that guy. Let's talk about this for a second. Okay, So my argument against it being an r G is that like Lake City Quiet Pills dot Com isn't exactly the kind of website that you would want to use for your marketing. Stunt slash companies, slash all inclusive game, right, It's basically a porn site. Basically a porn site. You don't really want to be running your alternate game reality in the source code of that. But okay, maybe fine.

On the other hand, maybe it's an a r G and all the Reddit users have been quote unquote investigating it the most are in fact part of the whole damn thing, and they've been perpetuating the myth the entire time. Guess what, we can't actually rule that out, but exactly what is it? What kind of thing is it promoting? It's not it's not that it would be a promotion.

It's that it would be an actual game that people are participating in, like a role playing game, that people are actually participating in pretending to be these different agents quote unquote going out in the real world. They're not actually that are pretending to be these people, and that, right, it is just continuing to perpetuate that, right, Okay, in fairness, here's let's just hear what Zino has to say in full, no freaking way. Other people think that it's it's a hoax.

You know that somebody just put this together is to control some people. If so, then the amount of dedication that that would take is just just incredible, unprecedented. You know, it's ridiculous. I think it's real. What do you guys think, Um, well, um yeah, it's it's hard to believe, but that it

really is the best alternative. But I think, like Zeno is that it was just an error that caused some of the stuff to be written into the HTML code, either as like comments or logs or something like that. And and but it's the comments are kind of disjointed, like especially the stuff concerning the party, and you kind of feel like not everything made it out there. And I don't know why that is. You'd think that we

would have a more complete record of these communications. Um, So I don't really get that why, But yeah, I'm torn. They're I'm going to use air quotes around the word evidence because it's just data on the Internet. But the evidence that we have does lend itself to show that this probably was a thing. But at the same time,

I'm not convinced. I mean, it just again to me, it's just something that could be a simple hoax of some goofball doing something and thinking he was being funny and then realizing that people were reading what he was putting up and deciding to troll them a little more and troll them for a while and then say, let me pull the ultimate troll and just start putting up gibberish and then do nothing like that's that's completely plausible. I'm very I'm very torn. Well, here's a here's a

the reason I don't. I don't think that's the case. It's possible, but this isn't really actually a very sexy case. People going to try to stot to like, you know, really, you know, get something going do or do really do a long com You don't you think it's going to involve kidnapping, murder stuff like that. I mean, this stuff is just guys going out and being security guards basically

bodyguards and stuff like that. I guess the other reason that I think it's real is because they vaguely reference going out into the field in the forums in Drunk step Father, you know, is there are these discussions that are they don't say anything explicit obviously, but users on drunk Stepfather, who are all members of or not all of the people who are posting these things on drunk Stepfather are also people who we can associate pretty closely

with Lake City Quiet Pills they're talking about fuel experience, they're talking about army experience. It's it's corroborated in different formats, in different forums where they're talking about these things. So for me, that speaks to more than just one dude saying like that, let's do this funny hoax. But I I still I can see one dude finding all kinds of joy and making multiple accounts and juggling that crap.

I mean, I mean, there there was a time where I thought, hey, it would be funny to pull this gag, and I started to figure out how to pull a gag on the internet and realize very quickly, A, I wasn't going to be able to pull it off, but be there's a lot of work and a whole lot of or like you've gotta be really organized. So but there are people like that, Absolutely there are. But I

guess not to like be a jerk. But your original argument was like, well, it's all comes rasor that it's like simpler that it's one dude like but at this point anymore. But but that's the thing is that that this is why I'm torn because I can see I can see it being that simple. I can see a bit that that complex and sadly I can see go with nine degrees he have a direction where it is. Again,

some jerkuad hacks their server. I mean we've had conversations about servers that have been happy I've had to deal with and it's like whoa what and nobody knew you? And that's I think that's the thing about this case that had me, you guys know, down rabbit hole for a couple of months. Now it'll be great to have I've been obsessed lost did Yeah, it's insane. I didn't really have thirty pounds to lose, but here I am just a bone and some skin. Can we finish up

skeletor no? Because there's enough, there's enough information out there that it's intriguing, but not enough that we will ever get closure. Probably no, especially the site's gone. Yeah, this this whole case it's gone. It's done anyway, Yeah, I think it is. But you yeah, yeah, So if you want to read some of the read it threats that we've been talking about, Unfortunately again we can't. I'm not

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